/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/04/#ubuntu-ops.txt

bazhangdid wols just change his name to Fryguy?00:14
bazhangactually, wols never just put a user's question into google then paste that google link (to his credit)00:18
* nickrud notices Morgo^WMyrtti's ominous green eye surveying #ubuntu00:41
Myrttimur00:42
Myrttiand tis blue-gray, btw00:43
Myrttiwth00:47
Myrtti02:47 < ali_> wats r some other webdevelopment programs next to bluefish and screem...(  i donot like blue fish)00:48
Myrtti02:47 < Fryguy--> ali_: use vim00:48
naliothstealth troll?00:53
Myrtti02:14 <+bazhang> did wols just change his name to Fryguy?00:55
Myrtti^ feels like it00:56
naliothunrelated, unfortunately00:57
Myrtti02:59 < Fryguy--> Terabyte: this is #ubuntu, not #iamanoobwithphp01:00
Myrtti*sigh*01:00
nalioth /me pats his 10 minute quiet key . .01:02
naliothexplaining why he needs to insult people  :(01:02
naliothah, now in PM, the "i help people" defense01:10
mneptoksomeone needs a CoC-slapping01:40
* Myrtti hides01:41
* Myrtti waves a white flag01:41
mneptoknot you. you need a bright yellow stuffed honeybee.01:41
MyrttiI *cursed* today01:41
mneptokout loud?01:41
Myrttihere01:41
mneptok*blink*01:42
Myrttisee about 3h 40mins earlier in your backlog01:42
mneptoksomeone kill the doppelganger. i'll organize the search party.01:42
* Pici blinks01:50
naliothFryguy--: you can ask your questions in here01:58
Fryguy--k, since i've been implicity asked not to help anyone in #ubuntu, why isn't anyone from in here doing so?01:59
Fryguy--or am i misunderstanding the ban01:59
naliothFryguy--: insulting people is not why we're here02:00
naliothexplaining why you insulted them is even more off topic02:00
Fryguy--nalioth: you asked me to stop, i explained the situation to you.  You asked me in the channel, I responded to your in the channel.  I also gave the person advice on how to find his problem in the measly 2 lines of "insults" that i directed towards him02:02
Fryguy--after which he acknowledged that he was in the wrong channel02:02
Myrttiif it only were that incident02:03
Myrttianyway - off to bed02:03
Fryguy--am I to take the ban as an implicit request to not help people out?02:03
Myrttinini everyone02:03
Fryguy--Myrtti: i'm in the channel a lot, I type a lot of text, I guess comments happen02:03
naliothFryguy--: no.  it was supposed to be a 10 minute timeout to think, but you've taken it further02:04
Fryguy--since nobody else helps people in the channel, I figured I would02:04
Fryguy--nalioth: how so?02:04
Fryguy--nalioth: and why wasn't that mentioned as part of the initial response?02:04
naliothFryguy--: the channel guidelines are in the topic02:04
Fryguy--nalioth: which topic? this channel?02:05
naliothFryguy--: #ubuntu02:06
Fryguy--mind pasting it here? since i'm banned from the channel I can't really look at it02:06
naliothyou're not banned, please cut the martyr act02:07
Fryguy--nalioth: um, I am banned02:07
Fryguy--154 - #ubuntu: ban %Fryguy--!*@*02:08
PiciThats a mute, and you're still in the channel.02:08
nalioththat is not a ban.02:08
Fryguy--I don't have a visible buffer to the channel, I thought I was banned.  Maybe I have a bug in my irc client or something.  Can you please paste it so I can read it?  Or provide another way of joining?02:09
Fryguy--or viewing it02:09
Pici!etiquette02:09
ubottuUnsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubottu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...02:09
Fryguy--thank you02:10
nalioth!guidelines02:10
ubottuThe guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines02:10
Fryguy--ok, so it appears that I have followed all of the guidelines, and had a minor 2 line slipup with the second bullet point of the code of conduct.  Am I to take it that you do not want me to help people in the channel anymore because I addressed someone in a subjectively harsh manner?02:12
naliothFryguy--: there seems to be a recurrent pattern today02:13
Fryguy--nalioth: and what pattern would that be?02:13
naliothFryguy--: insulting behaviour02:13
naliothdidn't you say something about a time period?02:14
Fryguy--nalioth: besides the 2 lines worth that have been touched upon, where else have i insulted people today?02:14
Fryguy--nalioth: i've been in the channel for the past 22 hours, feel free to scroll through the logs and see where else I've insulted people (and i'd ask that you take note of all of the helpful advice i've given along the way as well, hopefully helping people counts for something, since it's what the channel is about)02:15
naliothFryguy--: may i suggest you have a nap?  most folks who get a 10 minute quiet, figure it out and carry on.  you have chosen to 'play the martyr' instead02:18
Fryguy--nalioth: what exactly did I do?02:18
Fryguy--"play the martyr"02:19
Fryguy--Can you elaborate on this02:19
Fryguy--I'm unsure what I did wrong, and this seems vague02:19
naliothafter your 10 minutes quiet:02:21
nalioth1215130362 19:12 < Fryguy--> well guys, apparently i'm no longer welcome here. It was a good 21 hour period helping you guys out.  Too bad some people don't want me here.  See you guys later I guess                            acidicba~02:21
nalioth1215130394 19:13 < Fryguy--> it looks like nalioth is going to take over answering questions now02:21
nalioth1215130534 19:15 < Fryguy--> nalioth: why don't you count the number of helpful comments i've made over the past day and contrast that to the 2-lines worth of colorful insults I directed towards one person, who was offtopic   absum02:21
Fryguy--nalioth: yes I said that because at the time lots and lots of people were private messaging me when they realized I couldn't talk in the channel (I have 8 private messages at that point), and since I was unable to help anymore, when I got a chance I let people know that I was unable to help anymore02:21
nalioth and in the wrong channel anway.  A ban wasREALLY warranted there?  like I said, have fun helping these people out, i'm obviously not wanted here anymore                                                                acantha02:22
nalioth1215130554 19:15 < Fryguy--> tr-33: sorry, you'll have to ask someone else                                                                                                                                                        AccessEx~02:22
nalioth1215130779 19:19 < Fryguy--> AMLNXUSR: sorry, I am no longer helping people, I'm not welcome here anymore                                                                                                                         achadwick02:22
nalioth1215130892 19:21 < Fryguy--> nalioth: you going to help any of these people? or do you want me to take care of it for you?                                                                                                        AciD02:22
nalioth1215130906 19:21 < Fryguy--> nalioth: wouldn't want to intrude02:22
naliothFryguy--: support burnout is real.  i think you need to take a break02:22
Fryguy--nalioth: how else am I supposed to take a ban?  "i'm welcome?"02:22
naliothFryguy--: it was a 10 minute quiet. a 'speedbump' if you will02:22
Fryguy--and the last 2 lines were simply asking your permission to help people again02:22
Fryguy--nalioth: i was never made aware of this.  all of a sudden I couldn't talk in teh channel and that was that02:23
naliothmy permission isn't needed.02:23
Fryguy--nalioth: it is02:23
Fryguy--nalioth: which is why i am in here talking to you instead of in #ubuntu answering people's questions02:23
naliothFryguy--: i think you've had enough for one sitting02:23
Fryguy--nalioth: so am I welcome back to the channel ever again?02:24
naliothsurely02:24
Fryguy--nalioth: why should i bother to come back?  I dedicate hours of my time to a distribution I don't even use, and get banned for 2 lines worth of comments02:25
nalioththen don't.02:25
nalioththe choice is yours02:25
Fryguy--well i'd like to help people out now, since it seems like no one else in here is, I would like to contribute if no one else will02:25
naliothwhy not sleep and we'll see you first thing in the morning?02:26
Fryguy--nalioth: my morning is starting right about now02:27
Fryguy--if I'm going to be prevented from helping people in the channel, I want to be assured that someone qualified from here will help instead02:28
nalioth'from here' ?02:28
Fryguy--this channel, the channel full of qualified ubuntu experts (or at least people affiliated with the product)02:29
naliothi think you've mistaken us for someone else02:29
naliothwe are a community.  people helping people02:29
Fryguy--I took extra time off of work around this holiday to let loose and help some people out to get away from the grind of my normal job, i'm pretty disheartened at this point02:29
naliothhave you not head the saying "everything in moderation" ?02:30
Fryguy--right, and some of those people are considered experts, people who are better at helping than other people, people who are "ubuntu staff" if you will02:30
Fryguy--nalioth: that's why i don't come to irc to help people much at all02:30
Fryguy--I wanted to do it this extra extra long weekend as a change of pace, and now i'm being prevented from doing that because of 2 silly lines of text02:31
naliothFryguy--: you can help in #debian all you like  ( they don't care if you sleep or not )02:31
Fryguy--i don't know anything about debian02:31
Fryguy--it's been several years since i've used it, I would be ineffective02:31
naliothi'm sure there is also #linuxmint, #gnewsense, #gOs, and simliar02:31
Fryguy--last time i used debian was on a 2.2 kernel02:32
naliothau contraire, Fryguy-- Ubuntu IS debian02:32
naliothwe're just packaged an operated in a more user friendly fashion02:32
Fryguy--nalioth: i'm not familiar with any of those operating systems, the only 2 systems i'm familiar with at this point are freebsd and ubuntu, and nobody asks questions in freebsd because of the handbook and google, so I am stuck supporting ubuntu02:32
naliothFryguy--: they're _all_ based on Ubuntu02:33
Fryguy--nalioth: it's based on debian it is hardly debian.  It has similar philophies and package management systems, but the repositories and base configurations (especially driver support, one of the most common things asked), is quite different02:33
Fryguy--and the default kernel configurations for a lot of things are quite different as well02:33
Fryguy--nalioth: right, and different enough for me to be not familiar with them02:33
naliothwell, most users in #ubuntu aren't after kernel configurations02:33
Fryguy--nalioth: right, but there are after the first 3 parts of that statement02:34
Fryguy--namely infor about repositories and base configurations and moderations to them, and driver suppoort02:34
naliothanyway, see you in the morning02:34
Fryguy--you gonna be around in the morning to help me help people?  It would be a shame to see ubuntu staff not help out people02:34
naliothplease see this chanels /topic02:36
TheSheepFryguy--: we are volunteers here too02:36
Fryguy--TheSheep: yes you are, which is why i'm asking if you will be volunteering tomorrow morning with me02:37
Fryguy--sorry if I wasn't clear with what I meant the first time02:38
TheSheepFryguy--: I certainly don't need to tell you if I will, the hwole point of volunteer work is that it's voluntary02:39
Fryguy--TheSheep: you don't have to tell me is right,  I'm still allowed to ask however.  Hopefully I will see you tomorrow helping people.02:40
Jack_SparrowPeople..Lurkers..and others... please see this chanels /topic02:40
Fryguy--g'night guys, I guess i'll spend the rest of the night memorizing ubottus keyword database so i can more effectively use it tomorrow02:40
Fryguy--see you guys later02:40
Fryguy--!list02:40
ubottuHi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots02:40
Fryguy--oh man that's a lot shorter than I thought :(02:41
Fryguy--all well, later guys02:41
naliothif i'm not around, he can be unquieted 8 hours from now02:42
Jack_Sparrowk02:43
ajmitchthat appeared to be productive02:49
* nalioth gets nice PMs02:53
ajmitchI bet you do02:53
Fryguy--just curious as to why nobody is doing anything about the people having an extended conversation of spyware and transfers of machines from clients in #ubuntu, shouldn't they be advised to go to #ubuntu-offtopic? Thanks02:55
ajmitchdrive-by02:55
* ajmitch sighs02:55
naliothoh no he didn't02:55
vorianoh, boy03:13
vorianthat made me spit coke all over my keyboard03:13
bazhangeaglescreen04:01
ubottuIn #ubuntu, EagleScreen said: ubottu brasero is less good than imgburn04:04
bazhangEagleScreen, how may we assist you.04:05
EagleScreenreally i dont know what i am doing here04:07
bazhangthen best to /part04:08
EagleScreeni typed a message for ubottu by error, thinking it was a person04:08
EagleScreenbye04:09
mneptokhmm ....04:09
mneptok!info imgburn04:10
ubottuPackage imgburn does not exist in hardy04:10
mneptokthat's just *great*04:10
bazhangits a windows program04:10
mneptokuh ...04:10
bazhanghe was recommending sudo su in #kubuntu yesterday04:10
* mneptok PMs04:11
bazhangway to stir up the restless :)05:10
bazhangdoes My-rtti know her slip is showing in #u?05:15
naliothbazhang: when you see someones slip showing, and you see they're asleep at the wheel, just ask chanserv to deop them  :)05:26
bazhangnalioth, /cs d whoever?05:26
naliothhowever it works for you  :)05:26
bazhangthanks :)05:26
jussi01Morning all07:54
Myrttibazhang: thank you08:26
* PriceChild waves08:43
PriceChildjussi01: and you try to tell me you're an aussie :P08:44
jussi01PriceChild: wha?08:44
PriceChildyet you get up at the time i do08:44
jpdsTZ="Australia/Sydney" date08:45
jussi01PriceChild: I live in finalnd....08:46
PriceChildwho has been claiming they're an aussie?08:47
PriceChildor were you just messing with me before08:48
* jpds thinks it's the later.08:48
jussi01PriceChild: I am an australian expatriate who lives in finland...08:48
PriceChildpfft08:48
PriceChildYou have to make things difficult :)08:48
jussi01:P08:48
PriceChildand using those big words08:48
PriceChildwhere has firefox gone08:48
PriceChildyay for flash10 menus not hiding beneath other web content08:49
Myrttiis anyone here perchance subscribed to ubuntu-bugs?08:50
Myrttithe mailing list08:50
jpdsMyrtti: I've heard it's a great way of exceeding your Gmail quota.08:50
PriceChildgmail has a quota? :P08:51
* Myrtti sighs08:51
* Dave2 has a gmail account subscribed to LKML and it's never got anywhere near full :(08:51
* Dave2 heads off to work.08:51
* Myrtti feels nauseous, considers opening up her email08:52
PriceChildMyrtti: that's just never going to help anything08:58
Myrttihey, I'm taking this in a pretty nonchalant way for me08:58
Myrttithe worse panic has already worn off08:59
MyrttiI did stay awake until four or five though08:59
PriceChildI don't think I'm up to speed on something...09:00
Myrtti00:10 -'@: I knows they can't be deleted09:02
Myrtti00:11 +PriceChild> Myrtti: bug url /+edit09:02
Myrtti^ remember?09:02
PriceChildah ok09:02
jussi01:D http://lifematta.com/jussi01/event/11470/10:02
jussi01thats ubottu^^10:03
jussi01:D10:03
Myrttiawwww10:05
PriceChildHe needs a sticker.10:08
jussi01PriceChild: grrrrrrr its a SHE!!!!10:09
PriceChildsowwie10:09
jussi01what kind of sticker?10:09
PriceChildsomething ubuntuey10:10
jussi01yeah, true10:10
jussi01a Kubuntu sticker :D10:11
* Myrtti rolls her eyes10:11
Myrttino.10:11
Myrttishe needs hellokitty stickers and pink nailpolish flames painted on her sides.10:11
Myrttiwith sparkles.10:12
* Myrtti snuffles10:12
jussi01rofl10:12
Myrttiwell DOOH?!10:12
Myrttiperhaps a pink feather boa too10:12
ubottuunop called the ops in #ubuntu (BoltClock (exit message))10:27
Myrttinot going to react on that10:29
jussi01me either10:29
bazhangoh forgot about his exit message11:10
Myrttimaybe I'm blind11:13
Myrttibut I don't see anything wrong in it11:13
Myrttiexcept that it would be better that it wouldn't be mentioned at all, but still11:13
bazhangsomething like 'remember kids, don't (danger command here)'11:13
Myrttidon't DRINK AND DRIVE!11:14
bazhangwas going to ask him to change it and forgot :(11:14
bazhangbobjr in Kubuntu11:31
bazhangoh he quit11:31
bazhanghe's back :)11:49
Tm_Thi kids11:49
bazhangso anyone with oper in kubuntu better act fast :)11:49
Tm_Tbazhang: yes?11:50
bazhang<bobJR> Go Ahead Grab That Invite Like Your Girlfriend Grabz My Ballz !! in kubuntu11:50
Tm_Taah11:50
* Myrtti sighs12:16
bazhanghi Myrtti :)12:17
MyrttiI wish earth were smaller12:23
RegEchsehi14:55
bazhangRegEchse, how may we assist you14:56
RegEchseI'm looking for the botmaster of "ubottu"...14:56
RegEchseWell, I support the kubuntu-bot "kubine" and I'd like to ask a few questions about some plugins.14:57
jussi01that would be me...14:57
RegEchsehi jussi01 :)14:58
jussi01RegEchse: please join #ubuntu-bots and part here :)14:58
RegEchsek14:58
ubottuIn ubottu, ilya0035745 said: me is www.ansysED.narod.ru15:45
jussi01What happened to Seeker - havent seen him for ages...16:20
bazhangexams?16:20
Myrttigot out of school?16:20
Jack_Sparrowand run, run, run16:20
Myrttihe graduated IIRC16:20
bazhangmaybe #ubuntu-uk is being overrun :)16:21
bazhanghe's afk in that channel16:22
Jack_Sparrowbazhang bbl, time to go work out..16:39
bazhangJack_Sparrow, see you later :)16:41
ikoniaSeeker`_: has just finished uni17:10
ikoniaoops I didn't mean to ping Seeker`_17:11
bazhangheh17:12
bazhangcongrats ikonia :)17:12
bazhangfloodbots can now ban btw :)17:13
ikoniagratzi17:17
ikoniais it wise for the floodbots to be able to ban ?17:17
bazhangfor the pr0n links yes :)17:17
bazhanglsd|ninja18:10
* jussi01 eyes lsdninja in -offtopic...18:12
jussi01someone with powah want  to keep an eye on that one?18:13
soundrayCan you issue a stern warning to LSD|Ninja in #u please? We can't have people telling helpers to "take that !coc and remove it from you rear end"18:13
jussi01soundray: we are on it18:13
bazhanghe is not responding to PM18:13
soundrayjussi01: cheers18:13
bazhanghe may need a kick18:14
bazhangcompletely ignoring all attempts at convo.18:21
jussi01bazhang: is he continuing?18:22
bazhangthat plus the language and threats merit removal?18:22
bazhangthis is not his first transgression iirc18:23
jussi01bazhang: imho leave it till somethign happens again - you need to actg when the thing happens18:24
bazhangturn away for one minute..thanks jussi0118:24
jussi01:)18:24
soundrayI'm disappointed in the lack of consequences that this vile insult against me has had.19:08
naliothsoundray: /ignore works19:08
bazhangsorry I missed it at the time soundray ; I turned away for five seconds and it had scrolled by.19:08
soundraynalioth: it won't stop him from doing this to someone else19:08
bazhangsoundray, he is being closely watched; have no doubt of that.19:09
naliothi /lastlogged and didn't see anything  :|19:09
* bazhang still wants to kb now19:09
bazhanghis behaviour in #u, coupled with the racist remarks in -ot seem to more than warrant it imo19:13
bazhangand again just now19:14
jussi01bazhang: where?19:15
bazhangin -0t jussi0119:15
bazhangot oops19:15
PriceChildLSD|Ninja?19:16
jussi01PriceChild: yeah...19:16
bazhangyep19:16
bazhangabuse of helpers, language, racist remarks, ignoring all PMs19:16
bazhangand again with the racist remarks after being warned.19:17
soundrayAm I allowed a tiny provocation?19:21
bazhanghas he done something else in #u?19:21
nickrudsoundray you're better than that, don't let him get your goat19:21
bazhanghe'll slip up again soundray19:22
soundray;)19:23
bazhangand then bam!19:23
naliothgot him in PM, we'll see how far it goes19:24
soundrayHe remarked that users needed to be told things that wreck their systems, so they learn it 'the hard way'19:24
bazhangI saw him making bad suggestions earlier too, but he completely ignored comments otherwise19:24
nickrudone warning for that,unless it's obviously malicious. I'm beginning to understand some of the bam! you're gone stuff19:25
bazhangif only I hadnt turned away for those five seconds :(19:26
* jussi01 hands over to nalioth, as he has him in pm :)19:27
* Myrtti surprise glomps jussi01 19:29
jussi01glomps?19:30
* nickrud turns away from messy eaters19:30
Myrttihttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glomp19:30
bazhangthere should be a factoid for that :)19:30
Myrttijussi01: see, I've learnt new words ;-)19:30
* soundray is reminded of Hobbes19:32
soundrayThanks ladies and gents, see you all19:33
naliothjussi01: i'm being ignored now19:35
jussi01nalioth: sigh, lovely sort of guy...19:35
* Myrtti eyes on geek_inn2 at #u19:45
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ubottuOli`` called the ops in #ubuntu ()22:57
ubottuOli`` called the ops in #ubuntu (amon-kill)23:04
PiciI think that sorted itself out23:06
nxvlhi23:33
nickrudnxvl, how can we help you?23:33
nxvli was wondering what do we need on the peruvian loco team for the irclog to be saved into irclogs.u.c23:33
nickrudgood question. Not sure, but maybe someone in #ubuntu-irc does know, most of the loco team ops hang out there23:34
nxvlso, wrong channel?23:34
nxvl:P23:34
nickrudnot wrong, just the right people aren't hanging around.23:35
nxvleh23:36
nxvlok23:36
nxvlso just kind of wrong23:36
nxvl:D23:36
nxvlnickrud: thanks for your help23:36
nickrudI'm just ignorant about much, and seems like everyone else is on vacation today23:37
nxvlmneptok: ping23:42

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