[00:14] <bazhang> did wols just change his name to Fryguy?
[00:18] <bazhang> actually, wols never just put a user's question into google then paste that google link (to his credit)
[00:41]  * nickrud notices Morgo^WMyrtti's ominous green eye surveying #ubuntu
[00:42] <Myrtti> mur
[00:43] <Myrtti> and tis blue-gray, btw
[00:47] <Myrtti> wth
[00:48] <Myrtti> 02:47 < ali_> wats r some other webdevelopment programs next to bluefish and screem...(  i donot like blue fish)
[00:48] <Myrtti> 02:47 < Fryguy--> ali_: use vim
[00:53] <nalioth> stealth troll?
[00:55] <Myrtti> 02:14 <+bazhang> did wols just change his name to Fryguy?
[00:56] <Myrtti> ^ feels like it
[00:57] <nalioth> unrelated, unfortunately
[01:00] <Myrtti> 02:59 < Fryguy--> Terabyte: this is #ubuntu, not #iamanoobwithphp
[01:00] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[01:02] <nalioth>  /me pats his 10 minute quiet key . .
[01:02] <nalioth> explaining why he needs to insult people  :(
[01:10] <nalioth> ah, now in PM, the "i help people" defense
[01:40] <mneptok> someone needs a CoC-slapping
[01:41]  * Myrtti hides
[01:41]  * Myrtti waves a white flag
[01:41] <mneptok> not you. you need a bright yellow stuffed honeybee.
[01:41] <Myrtti> I *cursed* today
[01:41] <mneptok> out loud?
[01:41] <Myrtti> here
[01:42] <mneptok> *blink*
[01:42] <Myrtti> see about 3h 40mins earlier in your backlog
[01:42] <mneptok> someone kill the doppelganger. i'll organize the search party.
[01:50]  * Pici blinks
[01:58] <nalioth> Fryguy--: you can ask your questions in here
[01:59] <Fryguy--> k, since i've been implicity asked not to help anyone in #ubuntu, why isn't anyone from in here doing so?
[01:59] <Fryguy--> or am i misunderstanding the ban
[02:00] <nalioth> Fryguy--: insulting people is not why we're here
[02:00] <nalioth> explaining why you insulted them is even more off topic
[02:02] <Fryguy--> nalioth: you asked me to stop, i explained the situation to you.  You asked me in the channel, I responded to your in the channel.  I also gave the person advice on how to find his problem in the measly 2 lines of "insults" that i directed towards him
[02:02] <Fryguy--> after which he acknowledged that he was in the wrong channel
[02:03] <Myrtti> if it only were that incident
[02:03] <Myrtti> anyway - off to bed
[02:03] <Fryguy--> am I to take the ban as an implicit request to not help people out?
[02:03] <Myrtti> nini everyone
[02:03] <Fryguy--> Myrtti: i'm in the channel a lot, I type a lot of text, I guess comments happen
[02:04] <nalioth> Fryguy--: no.  it was supposed to be a 10 minute timeout to think, but you've taken it further
[02:04] <Fryguy--> since nobody else helps people in the channel, I figured I would
[02:04] <Fryguy--> nalioth: how so?
[02:04] <Fryguy--> nalioth: and why wasn't that mentioned as part of the initial response?
[02:04] <nalioth> Fryguy--: the channel guidelines are in the topic
[02:05] <Fryguy--> nalioth: which topic? this channel?
[02:06] <nalioth> Fryguy--: #ubuntu
[02:06] <Fryguy--> mind pasting it here? since i'm banned from the channel I can't really look at it
[02:07] <nalioth> you're not banned, please cut the martyr act
[02:07] <Fryguy--> nalioth: um, I am banned
[02:08] <Fryguy--> 154 - #ubuntu: ban %Fryguy--!*@*
[02:08] <Pici> Thats a mute, and you're still in the channel.
[02:08] <nalioth> that is not a ban.
[02:09] <Fryguy--> I don't have a visible buffer to the channel, I thought I was banned.  Maybe I have a bug in my irc client or something.  Can you please paste it so I can read it?  Or provide another way of joining?
[02:09] <Fryguy--> or viewing it
[02:09] <Pici> !etiquette
[02:10] <Fryguy--> thank you
[02:10] <nalioth> !guidelines
[02:12] <Fryguy--> ok, so it appears that I have followed all of the guidelines, and had a minor 2 line slipup with the second bullet point of the code of conduct.  Am I to take it that you do not want me to help people in the channel anymore because I addressed someone in a subjectively harsh manner?
[02:13] <nalioth> Fryguy--: there seems to be a recurrent pattern today
[02:13] <Fryguy--> nalioth: and what pattern would that be?
[02:13] <nalioth> Fryguy--: insulting behaviour
[02:14] <nalioth> didn't you say something about a time period?
[02:14] <Fryguy--> nalioth: besides the 2 lines worth that have been touched upon, where else have i insulted people today?
[02:15] <Fryguy--> nalioth: i've been in the channel for the past 22 hours, feel free to scroll through the logs and see where else I've insulted people (and i'd ask that you take note of all of the helpful advice i've given along the way as well, hopefully helping people counts for something, since it's what the channel is about)
[02:18] <nalioth> Fryguy--: may i suggest you have a nap?  most folks who get a 10 minute quiet, figure it out and carry on.  you have chosen to 'play the martyr' instead
[02:18] <Fryguy--> nalioth: what exactly did I do?
[02:19] <Fryguy--> "play the martyr"
[02:19] <Fryguy--> Can you elaborate on this
[02:19] <Fryguy--> I'm unsure what I did wrong, and this seems vague
[02:21] <nalioth> after your 10 minutes quiet:
[02:21] <nalioth> 1215130362 19:12 < Fryguy--> well guys, apparently i'm no longer welcome here. It was a good 21 hour period helping you guys out.  Too bad some people don't want me here.  See you guys later I guess                            acidicba~
[02:21] <nalioth> 1215130394 19:13 < Fryguy--> it looks like nalioth is going to take over answering questions now
[02:21] <nalioth> 1215130534 19:15 < Fryguy--> nalioth: why don't you count the number of helpful comments i've made over the past day and contrast that to the 2-lines worth of colorful insults I directed towards one person, who was offtopic   absum
[02:21] <Fryguy--> nalioth: yes I said that because at the time lots and lots of people were private messaging me when they realized I couldn't talk in the channel (I have 8 private messages at that point), and since I was unable to help anymore, when I got a chance I let people know that I was unable to help anymore
[02:22] <nalioth>  and in the wrong channel anway.  A ban wasREALLY warranted there?  like I said, have fun helping these people out, i'm obviously not wanted here anymore                                                                acantha
[02:22] <nalioth> 1215130554 19:15 < Fryguy--> tr-33: sorry, you'll have to ask someone else                                                                                                                                                        AccessEx~
[02:22] <nalioth> 1215130779 19:19 < Fryguy--> AMLNXUSR: sorry, I am no longer helping people, I'm not welcome here anymore                                                                                                                         achadwick
[02:22] <nalioth> 1215130892 19:21 < Fryguy--> nalioth: you going to help any of these people? or do you want me to take care of it for you?                                                                                                        AciD
[02:22] <nalioth> 1215130906 19:21 < Fryguy--> nalioth: wouldn't want to intrude
[02:22] <nalioth> Fryguy--: support burnout is real.  i think you need to take a break
[02:22] <Fryguy--> nalioth: how else am I supposed to take a ban?  "i'm welcome?"
[02:22] <nalioth> Fryguy--: it was a 10 minute quiet. a 'speedbump' if you will
[02:22] <Fryguy--> and the last 2 lines were simply asking your permission to help people again
[02:23] <Fryguy--> nalioth: i was never made aware of this.  all of a sudden I couldn't talk in teh channel and that was that
[02:23] <nalioth> my permission isn't needed.
[02:23] <Fryguy--> nalioth: it is
[02:23] <Fryguy--> nalioth: which is why i am in here talking to you instead of in #ubuntu answering people's questions
[02:23] <nalioth> Fryguy--: i think you've had enough for one sitting
[02:24] <Fryguy--> nalioth: so am I welcome back to the channel ever again?
[02:24] <nalioth> surely
[02:25] <Fryguy--> nalioth: why should i bother to come back?  I dedicate hours of my time to a distribution I don't even use, and get banned for 2 lines worth of comments
[02:25] <nalioth> then don't.
[02:25] <nalioth> the choice is yours
[02:25] <Fryguy--> well i'd like to help people out now, since it seems like no one else in here is, I would like to contribute if no one else will
[02:26] <nalioth> why not sleep and we'll see you first thing in the morning?
[02:27] <Fryguy--> nalioth: my morning is starting right about now
[02:28] <Fryguy--> if I'm going to be prevented from helping people in the channel, I want to be assured that someone qualified from here will help instead
[02:28] <nalioth> 'from here' ?
[02:29] <Fryguy--> this channel, the channel full of qualified ubuntu experts (or at least people affiliated with the product)
[02:29] <nalioth> i think you've mistaken us for someone else
[02:29] <nalioth> we are a community.  people helping people
[02:29] <Fryguy--> I took extra time off of work around this holiday to let loose and help some people out to get away from the grind of my normal job, i'm pretty disheartened at this point
[02:30] <nalioth> have you not head the saying "everything in moderation" ?
[02:30] <Fryguy--> right, and some of those people are considered experts, people who are better at helping than other people, people who are "ubuntu staff" if you will
[02:30] <Fryguy--> nalioth: that's why i don't come to irc to help people much at all
[02:31] <Fryguy--> I wanted to do it this extra extra long weekend as a change of pace, and now i'm being prevented from doing that because of 2 silly lines of text
[02:31] <nalioth> Fryguy--: you can help in #debian all you like  ( they don't care if you sleep or not )
[02:31] <Fryguy--> i don't know anything about debian
[02:31] <Fryguy--> it's been several years since i've used it, I would be ineffective
[02:31] <nalioth> i'm sure there is also #linuxmint, #gnewsense, #gOs, and simliar
[02:32] <Fryguy--> last time i used debian was on a 2.2 kernel
[02:32] <nalioth> au contraire, Fryguy-- Ubuntu IS debian
[02:32] <nalioth> we're just packaged an operated in a more user friendly fashion
[02:32] <Fryguy--> nalioth: i'm not familiar with any of those operating systems, the only 2 systems i'm familiar with at this point are freebsd and ubuntu, and nobody asks questions in freebsd because of the handbook and google, so I am stuck supporting ubuntu
[02:33] <nalioth> Fryguy--: they're _all_ based on Ubuntu
[02:33] <Fryguy--> nalioth: it's based on debian it is hardly debian.  It has similar philophies and package management systems, but the repositories and base configurations (especially driver support, one of the most common things asked), is quite different
[02:33] <Fryguy--> and the default kernel configurations for a lot of things are quite different as well
[02:33] <Fryguy--> nalioth: right, and different enough for me to be not familiar with them
[02:33] <nalioth> well, most users in #ubuntu aren't after kernel configurations
[02:34] <Fryguy--> nalioth: right, but there are after the first 3 parts of that statement
[02:34] <Fryguy--> namely infor about repositories and base configurations and moderations to them, and driver suppoort
[02:34] <nalioth> anyway, see you in the morning
[02:34] <Fryguy--> you gonna be around in the morning to help me help people?  It would be a shame to see ubuntu staff not help out people
[02:36] <nalioth> please see this chanels /topic
[02:36] <TheSheep> Fryguy--: we are volunteers here too
[02:37] <Fryguy--> TheSheep: yes you are, which is why i'm asking if you will be volunteering tomorrow morning with me
[02:38] <Fryguy--> sorry if I wasn't clear with what I meant the first time
[02:39] <TheSheep> Fryguy--: I certainly don't need to tell you if I will, the hwole point of volunteer work is that it's voluntary
[02:40] <Fryguy--> TheSheep: you don't have to tell me is right,  I'm still allowed to ask however.  Hopefully I will see you tomorrow helping people.
[02:40] <Jack_Sparrow> People..Lurkers..and others... please see this chanels /topic
[02:40] <Fryguy--> g'night guys, I guess i'll spend the rest of the night memorizing ubottus keyword database so i can more effectively use it tomorrow
[02:40] <Fryguy--> see you guys later
[02:40] <Fryguy--> !list
[02:41] <Fryguy--> oh man that's a lot shorter than I thought :(
[02:41] <Fryguy--> all well, later guys
[02:42] <nalioth> if i'm not around, he can be unquieted 8 hours from now
[02:43] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[02:49] <ajmitch> that appeared to be productive
[02:53]  * nalioth gets nice PMs
[02:53] <ajmitch> I bet you do
[02:55] <Fryguy--> just curious as to why nobody is doing anything about the people having an extended conversation of spyware and transfers of machines from clients in #ubuntu, shouldn't they be advised to go to #ubuntu-offtopic? Thanks
[02:55] <ajmitch> drive-by
[02:55]  * ajmitch sighs
[02:55] <nalioth> oh no he didn't
[03:13] <vorian> oh, boy
[03:13] <vorian> that made me spit coke all over my keyboard
[04:01] <bazhang> eaglescreen
[04:05] <bazhang> EagleScreen, how may we assist you.
[04:07] <EagleScreen> really i dont know what i am doing here
[04:08] <bazhang> then best to /part
[04:08] <EagleScreen> i typed a message for ubottu by error, thinking it was a person
[04:09] <EagleScreen> bye
[04:09] <mneptok> hmm ....
[04:10] <mneptok> !info imgburn
[04:10] <mneptok> that's just *great*
[04:10] <bazhang> its a windows program
[04:10] <mneptok> uh ...
[04:10] <bazhang> he was recommending sudo su in #kubuntu yesterday
[04:11]  * mneptok PMs
[05:10] <bazhang> way to stir up the restless :)
[05:15] <bazhang> does My-rtti know her slip is showing in #u?
[05:26] <nalioth> bazhang: when you see someones slip showing, and you see they're asleep at the wheel, just ask chanserv to deop them  :)
[05:26] <bazhang> nalioth, /cs d whoever?
[05:26] <nalioth> however it works for you  :)
[05:26] <bazhang> thanks :)
[07:54] <jussi01> Morning all
[08:26] <Myrtti> bazhang: thank you
[08:43]  * PriceChild waves
[08:44] <PriceChild> jussi01: and you try to tell me you're an aussie :P
[08:44] <jussi01> PriceChild: wha?
[08:44] <PriceChild> yet you get up at the time i do
[08:45] <jpds> TZ="Australia/Sydney" date
[08:46] <jussi01> PriceChild: I live in finalnd....
[08:47] <PriceChild> who has been claiming they're an aussie?
[08:48] <PriceChild> or were you just messing with me before
[08:48]  * jpds thinks it's the later.
[08:48] <jussi01> PriceChild: I am an australian expatriate who lives in finland...
[08:48] <PriceChild> pfft
[08:48] <PriceChild> You have to make things difficult :)
[08:48] <jussi01> :P
[08:48] <PriceChild> and using those big words
[08:48] <PriceChild> where has firefox gone
[08:49] <PriceChild> yay for flash10 menus not hiding beneath other web content
[08:50] <Myrtti> is anyone here perchance subscribed to ubuntu-bugs?
[08:50] <Myrtti> the mailing list
[08:50] <jpds> Myrtti: I've heard it's a great way of exceeding your Gmail quota.
[08:51] <PriceChild> gmail has a quota? :P
[08:51]  * Myrtti sighs
[08:51]  * Dave2 has a gmail account subscribed to LKML and it's never got anywhere near full :(
[08:51]  * Dave2 heads off to work.
[08:52]  * Myrtti feels nauseous, considers opening up her email
[08:58] <PriceChild> Myrtti: that's just never going to help anything
[08:58] <Myrtti> hey, I'm taking this in a pretty nonchalant way for me
[08:59] <Myrtti> the worse panic has already worn off
[08:59] <Myrtti> I did stay awake until four or five though
[09:00] <PriceChild> I don't think I'm up to speed on something...
[09:02] <Myrtti> 00:10 -'@: I knows they can't be deleted
[09:02] <Myrtti> 00:11 +PriceChild> Myrtti: bug url /+edit
[09:02] <Myrtti> ^ remember?
[09:02] <PriceChild> ah ok
[10:02] <jussi01> :D http://lifematta.com/jussi01/event/11470/
[10:03] <jussi01> thats ubottu^^
[10:03] <jussi01> :D
[10:05] <Myrtti> awwww
[10:08] <PriceChild> He needs a sticker.
[10:09] <jussi01> PriceChild: grrrrrrr its a SHE!!!!
[10:09] <PriceChild> sowwie
[10:09] <jussi01> what kind of sticker?
[10:10] <PriceChild> something ubuntuey
[10:10] <jussi01> yeah, true
[10:11] <jussi01> a Kubuntu sticker :D
[10:11]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[10:11] <Myrtti> no.
[10:11] <Myrtti> she needs hellokitty stickers and pink nailpolish flames painted on her sides.
[10:12] <Myrtti> with sparkles.
[10:12]  * Myrtti snuffles
[10:12] <jussi01> rofl
[10:12] <Myrtti> well DOOH?!
[10:12] <Myrtti> perhaps a pink feather boa too
[10:29] <Myrtti> not going to react on that
[10:29] <jussi01> me either
[11:10] <bazhang> oh forgot about his exit message
[11:13] <Myrtti> maybe I'm blind
[11:13] <Myrtti> but I don't see anything wrong in it
[11:13] <Myrtti> except that it would be better that it wouldn't be mentioned at all, but still
[11:13] <bazhang> something like 'remember kids, don't (danger command here)'
[11:14] <Myrtti> don't DRINK AND DRIVE!
[11:14] <bazhang> was going to ask him to change it and forgot :(
[11:31] <bazhang> bobjr in Kubuntu
[11:31] <bazhang> oh he quit
[11:49] <bazhang> he's back :)
[11:49] <Tm_T> hi kids
[11:49] <bazhang> so anyone with oper in kubuntu better act fast :)
[11:50] <Tm_T> bazhang: yes?
 Go Ahead Grab That Invite Like Your Girlfriend Grabz My Ballz !! in kubuntu
[11:50] <Tm_T> aah
[12:16]  * Myrtti sighs
[12:17] <bazhang> hi Myrtti :)
[12:23] <Myrtti> I wish earth were smaller
[14:55] <RegEchse> hi
[14:56] <bazhang> RegEchse, how may we assist you
[14:56] <RegEchse> I'm looking for the botmaster of "ubottu"...
[14:57] <RegEchse> Well, I support the kubuntu-bot "kubine" and I'd like to ask a few questions about some plugins.
[14:57] <jussi01> that would be me...
[14:58] <RegEchse> hi jussi01 :)
[14:58] <jussi01> RegEchse: please join #ubuntu-bots and part here :)
[14:58] <RegEchse> k
[16:20] <jussi01> What happened to Seeker - havent seen him for ages...
[16:20] <bazhang> exams?
[16:20] <Myrtti> got out of school?
[16:20] <Jack_Sparrow> and run, run, run
[16:20] <Myrtti> he graduated IIRC
[16:21] <bazhang> maybe #ubuntu-uk is being overrun :)
[16:22] <bazhang> he's afk in that channel
[16:39] <Jack_Sparrow> bazhang bbl, time to go work out..
[16:41] <bazhang> Jack_Sparrow, see you later :)
[17:10] <ikonia> Seeker`_: has just finished uni
[17:11] <ikonia> oops I didn't mean to ping Seeker`_
[17:12] <bazhang> heh
[17:12] <bazhang> congrats ikonia :)
[17:13] <bazhang> floodbots can now ban btw :)
[17:17] <ikonia> gratzi
[17:17] <ikonia> is it wise for the floodbots to be able to ban ?
[17:17] <bazhang> for the pr0n links yes :)
[18:10] <bazhang> lsd|ninja
[18:12]  * jussi01 eyes lsdninja in -offtopic...
[18:13] <jussi01> someone with powah want  to keep an eye on that one?
[18:13] <soundray> Can you issue a stern warning to LSD|Ninja in #u please? We can't have people telling helpers to "take that !coc and remove it from you rear end"
[18:13] <jussi01> soundray: we are on it
[18:13] <bazhang> he is not responding to PM
[18:13] <soundray> jussi01: cheers
[18:14] <bazhang> he may need a kick
[18:21] <bazhang> completely ignoring all attempts at convo.
[18:22] <jussi01> bazhang: is he continuing?
[18:22] <bazhang> that plus the language and threats merit removal?
[18:23] <bazhang> this is not his first transgression iirc
[18:24] <jussi01> bazhang: imho leave it till somethign happens again - you need to actg when the thing happens
[18:24] <bazhang> turn away for one minute..thanks jussi01
[18:24] <jussi01> :)
[19:08] <soundray> I'm disappointed in the lack of consequences that this vile insult against me has had.
[19:08] <nalioth> soundray: /ignore works
[19:08] <bazhang> sorry I missed it at the time soundray ; I turned away for five seconds and it had scrolled by.
[19:08] <soundray> nalioth: it won't stop him from doing this to someone else
[19:09] <bazhang> soundray, he is being closely watched; have no doubt of that.
[19:09] <nalioth> i /lastlogged and didn't see anything  :|
[19:09]  * bazhang still wants to kb now
[19:13] <bazhang> his behaviour in #u, coupled with the racist remarks in -ot seem to more than warrant it imo
[19:14] <bazhang> and again just now
[19:15] <jussi01> bazhang: where?
[19:15] <bazhang> in -0t jussi01
[19:15] <bazhang> ot oops
[19:16] <PriceChild> LSD|Ninja?
[19:16] <jussi01> PriceChild: yeah...
[19:16] <bazhang> yep
[19:16] <bazhang> abuse of helpers, language, racist remarks, ignoring all PMs
[19:17] <bazhang> and again with the racist remarks after being warned.
[19:21] <soundray> Am I allowed a tiny provocation?
[19:21] <bazhang> has he done something else in #u?
[19:21] <nickrud> soundray you're better than that, don't let him get your goat
[19:22] <bazhang> he'll slip up again soundray
[19:23] <soundray> ;)
[19:23] <bazhang> and then bam!
[19:24] <nalioth> got him in PM, we'll see how far it goes
[19:24] <soundray> He remarked that users needed to be told things that wreck their systems, so they learn it 'the hard way'
[19:24] <bazhang> I saw him making bad suggestions earlier too, but he completely ignored comments otherwise
[19:25] <nickrud> one warning for that,unless it's obviously malicious. I'm beginning to understand some of the bam! you're gone stuff
[19:26] <bazhang> if only I hadnt turned away for those five seconds :(
[19:27]  * jussi01 hands over to nalioth, as he has him in pm :)
[19:29]  * Myrtti surprise glomps jussi01 
[19:30] <jussi01> glomps?
[19:30]  * nickrud turns away from messy eaters
[19:30] <Myrtti> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glomp
[19:30] <bazhang> there should be a factoid for that :)
[19:30] <Myrtti> jussi01: see, I've learnt new words ;-)
[19:32]  * soundray is reminded of Hobbes
[19:33] <soundray> Thanks ladies and gents, see you all
[19:35] <nalioth> jussi01: i'm being ignored now
[19:35] <jussi01> nalioth: sigh, lovely sort of guy...
[19:45]  * Myrtti eyes on geek_inn2 at #u
[23:06] <Pici> I think that sorted itself out
[23:33] <nxvl> hi
[23:33] <nickrud> nxvl, how can we help you?
[23:33] <nxvl> i was wondering what do we need on the peruvian loco team for the irclog to be saved into irclogs.u.c
[23:34] <nickrud> good question. Not sure, but maybe someone in #ubuntu-irc does know, most of the loco team ops hang out there
[23:34] <nxvl> so, wrong channel?
[23:34] <nxvl> :P
[23:35] <nickrud> not wrong, just the right people aren't hanging around.
[23:36] <nxvl> eh
[23:36] <nxvl> ok
[23:36] <nxvl> so just kind of wrong
[23:36] <nxvl> :D
[23:36] <nxvl> nickrud: thanks for your help
[23:37] <nickrud> I'm just ignorant about much, and seems like everyone else is on vacation today
[23:42] <nxvl> mneptok: ping