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Xand3rdame error00:00
apacheloggerhm00:01
apacheloggernice00:01
apacheloggerXand3r: which id00:01
Xand3r /bin/sh: id: not found00:02
apacheloggerdpkg -S usr/bin/id00:02
Xand3rimagemagick: /usr/bin/identify00:03
Xand3rcoreutils: /usr/bin/id00:03
apacheloggeroh boy00:04
apacheloggerXand3r: file /usr/bin/id00:04
Xand3rapachelogger: woher soll ich wissen was du willst00:04
Xand3r /usr/bin/id: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped00:05
apacheloggerenv00:05
Xand3rwhat i have to look for?00:07
apacheloggerpaste it00:07
Xand3rhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/25099/00:08
apacheloggerok00:09
apacheloggerthat doesn't make any sense00:09
apacheloggerreally, none at all00:09
Xand3r?00:10
apacheloggersense = nil00:10
apacheloggerXand3r: I don't know why sh can't find id anymore00:10
apacheloggermight be magic b0rkage00:10
apacheloggerXand3r: try relogging in00:10
apacheloggeror rebooting00:10
Xand3ri know that problem for 3 days00:11
Xand3ri think i will change nothing with a reboot00:11
apacheloggercool00:11
apacheloggersomething is b0rked00:11
apacheloggerI just don't know what00:11
Xand3rthats cool00:12
Xand3r-.-00:12
* apachelogger goes smokin00:12
Xand3rhf00:12
apacheloggerXand3r: new though00:17
apacheloggerfirst00:17
apacheloggersh00:17
apacheloggerthen00:17
apacheloggerwhich id00:17
apacheloggerthen00:17
apacheloggerenv00:17
mhbid is a non standard UNIX tool anyway00:19
mhb:o)00:19
apacheloggerid is in coreutils, that makes it pretty corish :P00:20
mhbah, bs00:20
mhbapachelogger: it is, but some of the tools there are not in the SUSv2 spec00:20
mhbbut I've mistaken id for another one00:20
mhbid is there00:20
mhbstat for example00:21
mhbmy mistake00:22
apacheloggerdoesn't matter anyway, debuild fails, that makes it important ;-)00:23
mhbah, the lovely life of a packager00:24
apachelogger:)00:24
mhbyou really should let the machines do that00:25
mhbAI will never advance if you keep doing all of its work :o)00:25
apacheloggertrue, that also leaves more time for qtruby fun00:26
mhbruby?00:26
mhbcome on00:26
JontheEchidnaMaybe humanity will never achieve good ai because they're too lazy?00:26
apacheloggermeh00:26
mhbJontheEchidna: nah00:26
mhbJontheEchidna: we're not lazy00:26
apacheloggerOo00:26
apacheloggercan't agree on that00:26
mhbJontheEchidna: we only sometimes get distracted00:26
JontheEchidnaHave the machines develop the AI for us! :p00:26
mhbI get an idea for an application every day00:27
mhbbut I can't code them all00:27
mhbit's not laziness, it's priorities...and also a bit of laziness00:27
JontheEchidnaYup00:27
apacheloggerwell00:28
apacheloggerdelegation > work00:28
mhbapachelogger: still I'd suggest you dropping the less popular nothing-new-bringing language and go with python :o)00:28
JontheEchidnapython ftw00:28
apacheloggernah nah, ruby ftw00:28
apachelogger<3 japan :P00:28
Xand3rsorry was away00:29
Xand3rwhat is with sh?00:29
apacheloggersh-ell00:29
Xand3rjea00:29
mhbapachelogger: I bet you have no rational reason for preferring ruby over python00:29
Xand3rusing it00:29
Xand3rand?00:29
apacheloggermhb: no, I don't00:30
apacheloggerdo I need one?00:30
mhbapachelogger: if you were a rational programmer, probably yes00:31
* apachelogger is not ever rational00:31
Xand3r^^00:31
apacheloggerrationallity is preventing innovation00:31
mhbunfortunately00:31
Xand3rso apachelogger tell me what to do?00:31
apacheloggerXand3r: I did00:32
mhbirrationality on several levels is the reason I'm not willing to participate in any KDE development in the foreseeable future00:32
mhbI'll stick to my rational computer science and math00:32
Xand3rapachelogger: in such short sentences that  i dont know what to do00:33
Xand3rgnaa i am so stupid00:34
apacheloggerXand3r: you austrian!00:35
JontheEchidnaYummy!00:35
JontheEchidnaColdcut turkey sandwhich + nacho cheese for chips00:36
Xand3rapachelogger: _=id00:36
Xand3rnot good or?00:36
apacheloggerXand3r: from which command?00:37
Xand3renv00:37
Xand3rapachelogger my master, what i have to do?00:42
apacheloggerXand3r: that is all env said?00:42
Xand3rno00:42
Xand3ri want the hole env from sh?00:43
apacheloggeraye00:43
Xand3ryou will get it00:43
Xand3rhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/25103/00:44
apacheloggerXand3r: what did - which id say?00:45
Xand3r$ which id say?00:46
Xand3r/usr/bin/id00:46
apacheloggerOo00:46
Xand3rdont got that this was an command00:46
apacheloggerXand3r: exit00:46
apacheloggerthen try debuild again00:46
Xand3rerror00:47
Xand3rthe same00:48
apacheloggerwell00:48
apacheloggermaybe preload is actually causing the b0rkage00:48
apacheloggerXand3r: get rid of that stupid preloading00:48
Xand3rhä?00:49
apacheloggerERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.00:49
apacheloggerXand3r: sudo apt-get purge preload00:50
apacheloggershould do the job00:50
apacheloggerI guess00:50
Xand3rok00:50
Xand3rfunny00:51
Xand3rPackage preload is not installed, so not removed00:51
apacheloggerOo00:51
apacheloggeraye, that ain't good for sure00:51
Xand3rmaybe00:52
Xand3rslow i hate what my system become00:52
Xand3rapachelogger: i am right with that we could not fix that to day?00:54
Xand3rso i would say we stop here, thank you for help00:54
Xand3rbut it is late00:55
* apachelogger already stopped00:55
apacheloggerout of ideas00:55
Xand3rhmm00:55
Xand3ra qestion befor going to sleep00:55
Xand3ron my laptop os now intrepid with kde4.100:56
Xand3remm, it looklike your nightly build00:56
Xand3rbut it isn't or?00:56
Xand3rapachelogger: gn800:58
apacheloggernini00:59
apacheloggerXand3r: is not00:59
apacheloggerbtw00:59
Xand3rok wie aktuell sind dann die pakete dafür?01:00
JontheEchidnaHeh, not much to language-selector-qt, I guess all the magic happens in the non-gui scripts01:08
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JontheEchidnaOh, that wasn't all of the frontend I was looking at...01:16
JontheEchidnalewl01:16
* supert0nes is pumped that kde-nightly is updating01:21
JontheEchidnaberb01:30
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DaskreecHDoes dbus have anything to do with sound ?04:45
Hobbseethat depends how tightly you want to define "anything"04:46
DaskreecHWell Sound is somehow tied to KDE04:47
DaskreecHI'm trying to figure out what KDE starts that allows me to have sound04:48
Hobbseeknotify?04:48
DaskreecHI don't think so04:48
Hobbseeoh wait, sound at all in kde...04:48
DaskreecHHobbsee: Not sound for KDE Sound AT ALL04:48
DaskreecHOutside of KDE I get squat04:48
Hobbseeis this intrepid?04:48
Hobbseeoh, strange.04:49
DaskreecHNo I think it started in Guts04:49
DaskreecH+y04:49
DaskreecHbut I didn't care about it so much04:49
DaskreecHSince I've started hopping virtual machines for testing it's really annoying04:49
DaskreecHI have to start KDM log into KDE04:50
DaskreecH kill the session and I have sound everywhere else04:50
DaskreecHbut without that The hills are alive with the sound of squat04:50
Hobbseehaha04:50
DaskreecHThe only thing I see starting up that kinda flicks a light saying hey that could be it is dbus04:51
DaskreecHAnyone have any bright ideas as to what would normally give sound from the command line?04:53
Hobbseeaplay04:53
Hobbsee(use it on a .wav or something)04:53
DaskreecHHobbsee: Oh no not apps I have apps04:59
DaskreecHthat's how I know it doesn't work :) I meant framwaorks or daemons04:59
Hobbseeoh05:00
DaskreecHI went through startkde05:02
DaskreecHNothing in there sounds like it would fit05:02
DaskreecHI just know that if I start playing something from the command line I have nothing05:02
DaskreecHWhile it's playing log into KDE and it picks up sound05:03
DaskreecHkill the session and it keeps the sound05:03
vorianhmm, seem i lost compositing on the latest update05:45
yuriytxwikinger: ?06:43
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apacheloggervorian: kio-ftps revued10:25
eagles0513875morning10:27
\shmoins10:27
\shapachelogger: didn't you want to go on holidays? ;)10:28
apacheloggerI did :S10:28
\shapachelogger: ah so revuing and pushing new crack is holiday? ;)10:29
* apachelogger needs to plan the travel 10:29
apacheloggerbut I have traveling10:29
apachelogger\sh: better than bug triage, right? ;-)10:29
\shapachelogger: start coding on leonov :) that's fun ;)10:29
apachelogger\sh: apachelogger's release script is more fun10:30
* eagles0513875 need to find a place to start coding php c++ python10:30
apachelogger+ it's ruby :P10:30
* eagles0513875 so many languages dunno where to start10:30
apachelogger\sh: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot035.png10:30
\sheagles0513875: p...p...p....python ;)10:30
eagles0513875lol10:30
eagles0513875isnt c++ a good place as well10:30
\shapachelogger: wow10:31
eagles0513875at least in regards to bug fixing10:31
\sheagles0513875: sure ... but python you are more successful in less time :)10:31
apacheloggerwell10:31
apacheloggerfor a reason10:31
apacheloggerc++ is awfulish10:31
apacheloggerthe syntax is10:31
apacheloggerand all the brackets10:31
apacheloggerand the compiling10:31
eagles0513875\sh: didnt know that10:31
apacheloggeroh boy, the compiling freaks me out10:31
eagles0513875apachelogger: been there done that with java10:31
apacheloggerjava > c++10:31
apacheloggerpython > java10:32
apacheloggerruby > python10:32
apacheloggermy opinion10:32
eagles0513875right in all honesty i dont have time to sit down and learn these things cuz i am working on my linux lpi jr lvl certification10:33
\shapachelogger: lol10:33
\sheagles0513875: why don't you say LPIC-110:33
\shwhich can be done in less then one hour10:33
eagles0513875lol10:33
apacheloggerhttp://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Eureka+Web+Browser?content=8459010:34
apacheloggeromg10:34
apacheloggerwe have a browser flood :S10:34
eagles0513875i have tried that in other places and people have know idea what lpi is10:34
apacheloggerthere is konqueror, there is that qt demo browser, there is the enhancement of the qt demobrowser - arora, there is foxkit, there is eureka10:34
apacheloggereven I have my own browser10:34
apacheloggersomewhere10:34
eagles0513875what you worried about its version .110:34
eagles0513875there is firefox3 and opera too10:35
apacheloggerfirefox3 is no browser10:35
apacheloggeropera is, but it's not free10:35
apacheloggerwhich makes it quite uncomparable anyway10:35
eagles0513875the gui though  for it is in dire need of development10:35
apacheloggerthe thing with all the qt based browser is ... they all use webkit :P10:35
eagles0513875im actually trying to dev a java based irc client for my webhosting company to use on their website10:36
* eagles0513875 wonders why room went silent is it because i said the word java10:38
apacheloggeryes10:38
apacheloggerin combination with website10:38
eagles0513875lol10:38
eagles0513875whats so bad bout what i said10:39
apacheloggerI don't know10:39
eagles0513875lol10:39
supert0nesjava==most verbose language ever10:40
eagles0513875if its used in relation to a website whats so bad about it. its more of a support irc for my webhosting that hosts my website10:40
supert0nesnothing wrong with java10:41
supert0nesit just takes a lot of code to make something10:41
apacheloggerajax irc clients > java irc clients10:41
eagles0513875thing is java is the only thing i know right now since i had to take the basics of java class for my degree10:41
eagles0513875not this coming yr but yr after have to learn all the advanced features of it10:42
eagles0513875like gui's and all that so basically im trying to get a jump on things10:42
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\sheagles0513875: read the o'reilly head first books on java and design patterns...no need to study for that...get out of the house and earn money and help the society ;)10:45
eagles0513875\sh: already am10:45
eagles0513875making money that is10:45
eagles0513875got an IT internship at my college10:45
\shso read the head first books10:45
\shmoins allee10:45
eagles0513875j/w are there alot of bugs out on hardy right now bugs on packages10:46
allee\sh moin moin10:46
* apachelogger dances through the channel10:46
* eagles0513875 goes to launchpad10:47
eagles0513875!lanuchpad10:48
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about lanuchpad10:48
eagles0513875!info lanuchpad10:48
ubottuPackage lanuchpad does not exist in hardy10:48
eagles0513875!launchpad10:48
ubottuLaunchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/10:48
apacheloggerand closed source10:48
eagles0513875?10:49
alleeeagles0513875: launchpad itself is closed source10:49
apacheloggeraight10:50
eagles0513875gotcha10:50
eagles0513875wasnt it developed by canonical10:50
apacheloggervorian: please get an revu adin and ask him to nuke bluetrash10:50
apacheloggerotherwise it might take some time10:50
apacheloggervorian: you noticed that http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=trash is a debian package? :P10:51
eagles0513875if i want to use kubuntu as the basis for my own distro and i give it a new name is that ok10:56
eagles0513875or would i have to get special permission to do that10:57
apacheloggerOo10:57
apacheloggerit's open source10:58
apacheloggerhow are we gonna stop you :P10:58
eagles0513875would i have to get permission if i wanted to use the same name10:59
eagles0513875call it kubuntu cluster edition lol11:00
apacheloggeryes11:02
apacheloggerfrom canonical11:02
eagles0513875ok11:02
eagles0513875how would one go about doing that11:02
apacheloggerask the google11:02
eagles0513875or go to cannonical website11:04
apacheloggermhb: so what is a rational reason to prefer python over ruby?11:08
Jucatoeagles0513875: or the ubuntu marketing mailing list11:09
eagles0513875Jucato: where can i find that11:10
apacheloggergoogle11:10
* apachelogger goes lunching11:10
Jucatotrademarks@ubuntu.com perhaps11:11
gnomefreakwhat sound server does kubuntu use?11:12
eagles0513875gnomefreak: you use ubuntu for server since its all command line11:12
gnomefreakeagles0513875: i knwo what im using but kubuntu doesnt use pulse audio what does it use?11:13
Jucatognomefreak: KDE 3 = still aRts11:13
gnomefreakJucato: and 4?11:13
JucatoKDE 4 = phonon (xine)11:13
gnomefreakthanks11:13
eagles0513875gnomefreak: sry misread ur question11:14
* eagles0513875 sews lips shut11:14
gnomefreakeagles0513875: no problem11:14
gnomefreakim looking for a way to backport flash 10 without using libflashsupport and kde is really making this hard since im sure kde users would rather not change arts11:15
Nightroseapachelogger: FYI https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/24552211:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 245522 in amarok "installation step failed" [Undecided,Fix released]11:56
apacheloggerha!11:58
apacheloggerI guess that explains the error Riddell was talking about :D11:58
Nightrose;-)11:58
* Nightrose notes that the new launchpad navigation feels strange12:00
* apachelogger loves it12:01
Nightrosehehe12:01
Nightroseok12:01
Hobbseeeagles0513875: ubuntu has a trademarks page12:16
Hobbseeeagles0513875: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy12:17
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apacheloggerNightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot036.png12:43
apacheloggerrubyqt is the sweetest12:43
* Nightrose hugs apachelogger 12:43
Nightrosenice :)12:43
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gnomefreakum is kstartupconfig4 broken?14:41
gnomefreakit also seems that kde4 doesnt respect update-alternatives for usplash-artwork.so changing it from kde to gnome14:43
gnomefreakalso is it me or did kubuntu-kde4-desktop change to kubuntu-desktop?14:45
Xand3rhey!15:51
Xand3rwhat is the best section for a theme? for a kwin theme? kde, misc?15:52
yuriyXand3r: is there an artwork section?15:53
yuriylook up what current ones are in15:54
Xand3ryuriy: good idea15:54
Xand3rnew version http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde416:37
Xand3raway, have some fun in the sun16:38
ScottK-laptopRiddell: I'm looking at Bug #236996.  Do we need to backport python-qt4 too?18:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 236996 in hardy-backports "PyQt 4.4.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23699618:27
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ScottK-laptopnixternal: You around?19:30
ScottK-laptopnixternal: Would you please have a look at Bug #193567 and see if there's a reasonable solution to make gutsy-backports work?19:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 193567 in gutsy-backports "koffice2 package broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19356719:31
ScottK-laptopIt looks to me like the kdebase-runtime package is missing stuff, but I didn't do enough with the KDE4 stuff to know how to fix it.19:32
nosrednaekimhey guys19:57
ScottKnixternal: Bug #187298 could use a look too.20:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 187298 in gutsy-backports "kscan-kd4 file level conflict with kde4graphics" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18729820:25
Xand3rthx apachelogger for the kde update20:49
vorianarrgh, fresh install of the nightly build gives me the startup error 'could not start kstartupconfig4. Check your installation'20:55
Xand3rapachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal droped the "kde4"and done the other things, pleas recheck it, thx21:00
jjessehappy saturday21:14
vorianhowdy jjesse21:15
jjessehello vorian21:15
voriantime to shoot of some 5th of july fireworks!21:15
jjesseyay21:15
vorian:)21:15
mouzapachelogger: i'm packaging stjerm, a terminal emulator which starts invisible by default. The user needs to press an accelerator key to display the terminal. I wonder whether I should leave out the .desktop file. Otherwise: user clicks icon and nothing seems to happen. An alternative is that I include NoDisplay=true. Other alternative: patch code to make it visible by default.21:49
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: In regards to http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2560, what did you mean in comment 7?21:56
papabeanJontheEchidna: Does jockey have options with arguments?22:02
papabeanOr just options?22:02
* JontheEchidna doesn't recall offhand22:02
papabeanJust curious because language-selector has a required option and an argument.  A bit of a pickle parsing the C class documentation to get the arguments passed properly.22:03
JontheEchidnaIt might check for rootness22:03
papabeanBut I've made great headway.22:03
papabeanThankfully the check for rootness is done by the sys module, so that piece of code still works.22:03
papabeanBut PyKDE uses its own handling of commandline arguments, so sys.argv ends up empty.22:04
JontheEchidnaThe only command line args it takes is for the new aboutdata22:04
JontheEchidnaand of course sys.argv22:04
papabeanRight, but when KCmdLineArgs gets sys.argv, sys.argv ends up empty.22:04
papabeanSo, you have to use PyKDE4's mechanism for parsing arguments.22:05
papabeanSadly, the documentation isn't really clear.22:05
JontheEchidnaYeah...22:05
papabeanS'okay.  Figured out how to have the required option plus parse its argument.22:05
papabeanNow it's getting the argument to pass to the next module in language-selector's chain.22:05
papabeanAnd that keyboard problem was making it hard to type code.  :)22:06
JontheEchidnaMy Qt Designer is broken with the latest Hardy python-kde4 packages, do you experience the same problem?22:06
papabeanNot using Designer yet, because I'm not creating from scratch.22:06
JontheEchidnaAh, right22:06
* JontheEchidna wanted to add a button to the gui to activate the spiffy free about dialog we get22:07
JontheEchidnaBut the pykde4 plugins make it segfault. :(22:07
papabeanCould still be done via the direct code:  http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ - all of these tutorials use only the code and not Designer.22:08
papabeanCompare the code there with PyKDE docs and you might be able to add it.22:09
JontheEchidnaYeah, I could do it with the code but the rest of the ui is already set up in a ui file22:09
papabeanGotcha.22:09
JontheEchidnaand it probably isn't a good idea to scatter ui setup between the ui file and the main file22:09
* papabean agrees.22:09
* JontheEchidna is away to eat22:10
papabeanIs Riddell around?22:12
papabeanLooks like I got the argument passing to work in qt-language-selector to work properly.22:13
papabeanTime to go back to getting the app to respect the user's KDE4 style.  Wondering if I should push these changes?22:13
papabeanGuess it can't hurt.  Changes don't committed until someone else reviews, correct?22:15
* JontheEchidna is back22:21
* JontheEchidna is also new to bzr22:21
JontheEchidnapapabean: Does language selector run as root too?22:24
JontheEchidna'cuz this is also a problem with any kde or gtk app run as root atm22:25
papabeanIt runs as root.22:25
papabeanIf you don't run it as root, you get the appropriate warning, however.22:26
JontheEchidnaatm root-running apps use root's default theme22:26
JontheEchidnawhich is basically the kubuntu defaults afaik22:27
* JontheEchidna thinks changes to other kubuntu/kde components are necessary to fix the problem22:28
papabeanRiddell had asked me to start getting one of the files to use the KDE4 icon mechanism instead of Qt.22:31
papabeanThis is what led to me having to decipher the C++ class documentation to get the launcher script to parse command-line options with arguments.22:31
papabeanI'm guessing the thought is that using the KDE4 mechanism, it would recognize the user that called for admin privileges and use THEIR theme, instead.22:32
JontheEchidnaThat doesn't seem to be the case even with C++ official apps.22:33
* JontheEchidna notices the different fonts every time he opens dolphin as admin22:33
papabeanYeah.  and qt-language-selector checks to see if you're user 0 which means it doesn't distinguish between a request for privileges vs. root user.22:36
JontheEchidnaAh22:36
papabeanOk...Now to go back to changing the icon mechanism in the other part of language-selector.22:36
* JontheEchidna notices that jockey populates a QLabel with a QIcon, and that you can't populate a QLabel with a KIcon22:37
JontheEchidnanow to think of clever hax22:37
papabeanThat's kinda where I am with this one.22:37
papabeanThe main app creates a Qwidget instance.22:37
papabeanAnd then the icons are all set with QIcon.22:38
papabeanI'm trying to see what the corresponding "KWidget" would be, but the pyKDE4 docs need help.22:38
papabeanThe class reference is a reference auto-generated from the C++ class code.22:39
papabeanWhich makes it tricky to convert to Python.22:39
JontheEchidnaYeah, I noticed.22:39
JontheEchidnaThe PyQt ones are a bit better about that.22:39
papabeanI'm happy, though.  I was able to decipher "QString anotherOptionArg = args->getOption("another-option");"22:39
papabeanAnd the crazy options.add() docs to find out how to include arguments to options.22:40
papabeanNow, looking at the LanguageSelector/qt/QtLanguageSelector.py file, it won't run as is now that it's been changed to a KApplication.22:53
papabeanIt won't run as is if called by itself.  When called from the launcher script, it works fine.22:54
papabeanBecause __main__ isn't called.22:54
papabeanOk.  Cut and paste from the launcher script.  Checks for the same options and runs fine.22:58
JontheEchidnaHeh, it feels weird playing around with software someone else made...23:00
papabeanIsn't that the nature of OSS, though?23:01
JontheEchidnaYeah, but all I've done before is make my own little pyqt apps here and there.23:02
papabeanI've not even done that.  :)23:04
papabeanMost of my experience has been shell scripts for work.23:04
papabeanBut I've been dabbling in Python for the last few months and saw the call for contributors to Kubuntu...so here I am.23:05
* JontheEchidna is new to pyqt and pykde too23:05
papabeanI'm just glad to be giving back to Linux in some way.23:06
JontheEchidnaYup, and we can't let ubuntu people get away with saying that ubuntu has more polish than kubuntu, now can we? ;P23:07
supert0neskde4 needs a good year of polish23:14
papabeanAnd then some.  :)23:15
papabeanIt's getting there, but clunky, clunky, clunky.23:15
papabeanOne example:  In KDE3.5.9, my GTK+ apps integrated into my desktop.  In KDE 4.1 beta 2, the fonts are too big, they use the default GTK+ theme.23:17
papabeanAnother:  My keyboard shortcuts for switching desktops or moving apps to another desktop keep getting forgotten.23:17
JontheEchidnapapabean: Seen gtk-qt-engine?23:18
JontheEchidnaAlso, custom shortcuts in general got borked in 4.1. :/23:18
papabeangtk-qt-engine-kde4 is already the latest version.  ;)23:19
JontheEchidnalol ;)23:19
JontheEchidnaHumph, seems KIcon doesn't like absolute paths...23:20
JontheEchidnanot very useful to use as a fallback...23:20
papabeanBut KDE4 is the future of Kubuntu, so I'll use it.23:20
papabeanI've also noticed that desktop-effects (compiz) is HORRIBLE under KDE (3 & 4).23:21
papabeanAnd it appears to be a default setting for KDE 4.123:21
papabeanOn appears to be.23:21
JontheEchidnaKDE4 uses its own KWin effects23:21
papabeanReally?23:21
JontheEchidnaYup yup23:21
papabeanReal f'ing slow.23:22
papabean:)23:22
JontheEchidnaWhat type of videocard do you have?23:22
papabeanNVidia Geforce FX 5200 Ultra23:22
papabean128MB card23:22
JontheEchidnaNVidia Geforce 4 MX 44023:22
JontheEchidna64 MB card23:23
papabeanBut Gnome+Compiz is snappy and responsive when changing desktops, etc.23:23
JontheEchidnayeah, I noticed that23:23
papabeanKwin w/Desktop Effects is slow.23:23
JontheEchidnabut wobbly windows and funnily enough coverswitch work decently23:23
klerfaytwill you guys put some effort into integrating kde3 applications looks with kde4 in Intrepid?23:32
JontheEchidnaWe already use a theme that looks somewhat like Oxygen in Hardy23:33
JontheEchidnaWell, the scrollbars aren't blue or anything...23:34
JontheEchidnaTheme stuff isn't really my area so I'm not an expert or anyting on it23:34
papabean_Anyone know how to bump your zombie nick from IRC?23:38
stdin!ghost23:39
ubottuOn IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>23:39
papabean_Danke, stdin.23:41
vorianghost ftw23:44
papabean!hostmask23:46
ubottuMany Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks23:46
vorianpapabean: would you like a unaffiliated cloak?23:47
papabeanvorian: Yes, please.23:47
voriandone23:47
papabeanWill that happen automatically from now on?23:47
vorianas long as you identify with services first, yes23:47
jussi01vorian: excellent service :D23:47
vorian:)23:47
papabeanI second that.23:48
vorianyou had everyting all ready set, so koodo's to you! :)23:49
JontheEchidnabzr error, halp: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25287/23:50
* JontheEchidna can't push his commit23:50
JontheEchidnaOh, forgot to register the ssh key, lolz23:52
vorian;o23:52
vorianbah23:52
stdinJontheEchidna: btw, you can't push to lp: URLs, even though it says you can on the page23:54
JontheEchidnaOh, maybe that was it, because I had published my key to LP before23:54
JontheEchidnanvm that was pgp23:54
JontheEchidnatoo many damn keys!23:55
stdintry using bzr+ssh://you@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/jockey/jockey-kde/23:55
stdinreplacing "you" of course23:55

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