Xand3r | dame error | 00:00 |
---|---|---|
apachelogger | hm | 00:01 |
apachelogger | nice | 00:01 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: which id | 00:01 |
Xand3r | /bin/sh: id: not found | 00:02 |
apachelogger | dpkg -S usr/bin/id | 00:02 |
Xand3r | imagemagick: /usr/bin/identify | 00:03 |
Xand3r | coreutils: /usr/bin/id | 00:03 |
apachelogger | oh boy | 00:04 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: file /usr/bin/id | 00:04 |
Xand3r | apachelogger: woher soll ich wissen was du willst | 00:04 |
Xand3r | /usr/bin/id: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped | 00:05 |
apachelogger | env | 00:05 |
Xand3r | what i have to look for? | 00:07 |
apachelogger | paste it | 00:07 |
Xand3r | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25099/ | 00:08 |
apachelogger | ok | 00:09 |
apachelogger | that doesn't make any sense | 00:09 |
apachelogger | really, none at all | 00:09 |
Xand3r | ? | 00:10 |
apachelogger | sense = nil | 00:10 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: I don't know why sh can't find id anymore | 00:10 |
apachelogger | might be magic b0rkage | 00:10 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: try relogging in | 00:10 |
apachelogger | or rebooting | 00:10 |
Xand3r | i know that problem for 3 days | 00:11 |
Xand3r | i think i will change nothing with a reboot | 00:11 |
apachelogger | cool | 00:11 |
apachelogger | something is b0rked | 00:11 |
apachelogger | I just don't know what | 00:11 |
Xand3r | thats cool | 00:12 |
Xand3r | -.- | 00:12 |
* apachelogger goes smokin | 00:12 | |
Xand3r | hf | 00:12 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: new though | 00:17 |
apachelogger | first | 00:17 |
apachelogger | sh | 00:17 |
apachelogger | then | 00:17 |
apachelogger | which id | 00:17 |
apachelogger | then | 00:17 |
apachelogger | env | 00:17 |
mhb | id is a non standard UNIX tool anyway | 00:19 |
mhb | :o) | 00:19 |
apachelogger | id is in coreutils, that makes it pretty corish :P | 00:20 |
mhb | ah, bs | 00:20 |
mhb | apachelogger: it is, but some of the tools there are not in the SUSv2 spec | 00:20 |
mhb | but I've mistaken id for another one | 00:20 |
mhb | id is there | 00:20 |
mhb | stat for example | 00:21 |
mhb | my mistake | 00:22 |
apachelogger | doesn't matter anyway, debuild fails, that makes it important ;-) | 00:23 |
mhb | ah, the lovely life of a packager | 00:24 |
apachelogger | :) | 00:24 |
mhb | you really should let the machines do that | 00:25 |
mhb | AI will never advance if you keep doing all of its work :o) | 00:25 |
apachelogger | true, that also leaves more time for qtruby fun | 00:26 |
mhb | ruby? | 00:26 |
mhb | come on | 00:26 |
JontheEchidna | Maybe humanity will never achieve good ai because they're too lazy? | 00:26 |
apachelogger | meh | 00:26 |
mhb | JontheEchidna: nah | 00:26 |
mhb | JontheEchidna: we're not lazy | 00:26 |
apachelogger | Oo | 00:26 |
apachelogger | can't agree on that | 00:26 |
mhb | JontheEchidna: we only sometimes get distracted | 00:26 |
JontheEchidna | Have the machines develop the AI for us! :p | 00:26 |
mhb | I get an idea for an application every day | 00:27 |
mhb | but I can't code them all | 00:27 |
mhb | it's not laziness, it's priorities...and also a bit of laziness | 00:27 |
JontheEchidna | Yup | 00:27 |
apachelogger | well | 00:28 |
apachelogger | delegation > work | 00:28 |
mhb | apachelogger: still I'd suggest you dropping the less popular nothing-new-bringing language and go with python :o) | 00:28 |
JontheEchidna | python ftw | 00:28 |
apachelogger | nah nah, ruby ftw | 00:28 |
apachelogger | <3 japan :P | 00:28 |
Xand3r | sorry was away | 00:29 |
Xand3r | what is with sh? | 00:29 |
apachelogger | sh-ell | 00:29 |
Xand3r | jea | 00:29 |
mhb | apachelogger: I bet you have no rational reason for preferring ruby over python | 00:29 |
Xand3r | using it | 00:29 |
Xand3r | and? | 00:29 |
apachelogger | mhb: no, I don't | 00:30 |
apachelogger | do I need one? | 00:30 |
mhb | apachelogger: if you were a rational programmer, probably yes | 00:31 |
* apachelogger is not ever rational | 00:31 | |
Xand3r | ^^ | 00:31 |
apachelogger | rationallity is preventing innovation | 00:31 |
mhb | unfortunately | 00:31 |
Xand3r | so apachelogger tell me what to do? | 00:31 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: I did | 00:32 |
mhb | irrationality on several levels is the reason I'm not willing to participate in any KDE development in the foreseeable future | 00:32 |
mhb | I'll stick to my rational computer science and math | 00:32 |
Xand3r | apachelogger: in such short sentences that i dont know what to do | 00:33 |
Xand3r | gnaa i am so stupid | 00:34 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: you austrian! | 00:35 |
JontheEchidna | Yummy! | 00:35 |
JontheEchidna | Coldcut turkey sandwhich + nacho cheese for chips | 00:36 |
Xand3r | apachelogger: _=id | 00:36 |
Xand3r | not good or? | 00:36 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: from which command? | 00:37 |
Xand3r | env | 00:37 |
Xand3r | apachelogger my master, what i have to do? | 00:42 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: that is all env said? | 00:42 |
Xand3r | no | 00:42 |
Xand3r | i want the hole env from sh? | 00:43 |
apachelogger | aye | 00:43 |
Xand3r | you will get it | 00:43 |
Xand3r | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25103/ | 00:44 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: what did - which id say? | 00:45 |
Xand3r | $ which id say? | 00:46 |
Xand3r | /usr/bin/id | 00:46 |
apachelogger | Oo | 00:46 |
Xand3r | dont got that this was an command | 00:46 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: exit | 00:46 |
apachelogger | then try debuild again | 00:46 |
Xand3r | error | 00:47 |
Xand3r | the same | 00:48 |
apachelogger | well | 00:48 |
apachelogger | maybe preload is actually causing the b0rkage | 00:48 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: get rid of that stupid preloading | 00:48 |
Xand3r | hä? | 00:49 |
apachelogger | ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. | 00:49 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: sudo apt-get purge preload | 00:50 |
apachelogger | should do the job | 00:50 |
apachelogger | I guess | 00:50 |
Xand3r | ok | 00:50 |
Xand3r | funny | 00:51 |
Xand3r | Package preload is not installed, so not removed | 00:51 |
apachelogger | Oo | 00:51 |
apachelogger | aye, that ain't good for sure | 00:51 |
Xand3r | maybe | 00:52 |
Xand3r | slow i hate what my system become | 00:52 |
Xand3r | apachelogger: i am right with that we could not fix that to day? | 00:54 |
Xand3r | so i would say we stop here, thank you for help | 00:54 |
Xand3r | but it is late | 00:55 |
* apachelogger already stopped | 00:55 | |
apachelogger | out of ideas | 00:55 |
Xand3r | hmm | 00:55 |
Xand3r | a qestion befor going to sleep | 00:55 |
Xand3r | on my laptop os now intrepid with kde4.1 | 00:56 |
Xand3r | emm, it looklike your nightly build | 00:56 |
Xand3r | but it isn't or? | 00:56 |
Xand3r | apachelogger: gn8 | 00:58 |
apachelogger | nini | 00:59 |
apachelogger | Xand3r: is not | 00:59 |
apachelogger | btw | 00:59 |
Xand3r | ok wie aktuell sind dann die pakete dafür? | 01:00 |
JontheEchidna | Heh, not much to language-selector-qt, I guess all the magic happens in the non-gui scripts | 01:08 |
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JontheEchidna | Oh, that wasn't all of the frontend I was looking at... | 01:16 |
JontheEchidna | lewl | 01:16 |
* supert0nes is pumped that kde-nightly is updating | 01:21 | |
JontheEchidna | berb | 01:30 |
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DaskreecH | Does dbus have anything to do with sound ? | 04:45 |
Hobbsee | that depends how tightly you want to define "anything" | 04:46 |
DaskreecH | Well Sound is somehow tied to KDE | 04:47 |
DaskreecH | I'm trying to figure out what KDE starts that allows me to have sound | 04:48 |
Hobbsee | knotify? | 04:48 |
DaskreecH | I don't think so | 04:48 |
Hobbsee | oh wait, sound at all in kde... | 04:48 |
DaskreecH | Hobbsee: Not sound for KDE Sound AT ALL | 04:48 |
DaskreecH | Outside of KDE I get squat | 04:48 |
Hobbsee | is this intrepid? | 04:48 |
Hobbsee | oh, strange. | 04:49 |
DaskreecH | No I think it started in Guts | 04:49 |
DaskreecH | +y | 04:49 |
DaskreecH | but I didn't care about it so much | 04:49 |
DaskreecH | Since I've started hopping virtual machines for testing it's really annoying | 04:49 |
DaskreecH | I have to start KDM log into KDE | 04:50 |
DaskreecH | kill the session and I have sound everywhere else | 04:50 |
DaskreecH | but without that The hills are alive with the sound of squat | 04:50 |
Hobbsee | haha | 04:50 |
DaskreecH | The only thing I see starting up that kinda flicks a light saying hey that could be it is dbus | 04:51 |
DaskreecH | Anyone have any bright ideas as to what would normally give sound from the command line? | 04:53 |
Hobbsee | aplay | 04:53 |
Hobbsee | (use it on a .wav or something) | 04:53 |
DaskreecH | Hobbsee: Oh no not apps I have apps | 04:59 |
DaskreecH | that's how I know it doesn't work :) I meant framwaorks or daemons | 04:59 |
Hobbsee | oh | 05:00 |
DaskreecH | I went through startkde | 05:02 |
DaskreecH | Nothing in there sounds like it would fit | 05:02 |
DaskreecH | I just know that if I start playing something from the command line I have nothing | 05:02 |
DaskreecH | While it's playing log into KDE and it picks up sound | 05:03 |
DaskreecH | kill the session and it keeps the sound | 05:03 |
vorian | hmm, seem i lost compositing on the latest update | 05:45 |
yuriy | txwikinger: ? | 06:43 |
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apachelogger | vorian: kio-ftps revued | 10:25 |
eagles0513875 | morning | 10:27 |
\sh | moins | 10:27 |
\sh | apachelogger: didn't you want to go on holidays? ;) | 10:28 |
apachelogger | I did :S | 10:28 |
\sh | apachelogger: ah so revuing and pushing new crack is holiday? ;) | 10:29 |
* apachelogger needs to plan the travel | 10:29 | |
apachelogger | but I have traveling | 10:29 |
apachelogger | \sh: better than bug triage, right? ;-) | 10:29 |
\sh | apachelogger: start coding on leonov :) that's fun ;) | 10:29 |
apachelogger | \sh: apachelogger's release script is more fun | 10:30 |
* eagles0513875 need to find a place to start coding php c++ python | 10:30 | |
apachelogger | + it's ruby :P | 10:30 |
* eagles0513875 so many languages dunno where to start | 10:30 | |
apachelogger | \sh: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot035.png | 10:30 |
\sh | eagles0513875: p...p...p....python ;) | 10:30 |
eagles0513875 | lol | 10:30 |
eagles0513875 | isnt c++ a good place as well | 10:30 |
\sh | apachelogger: wow | 10:31 |
eagles0513875 | at least in regards to bug fixing | 10:31 |
\sh | eagles0513875: sure ... but python you are more successful in less time :) | 10:31 |
apachelogger | well | 10:31 |
apachelogger | for a reason | 10:31 |
apachelogger | c++ is awfulish | 10:31 |
apachelogger | the syntax is | 10:31 |
apachelogger | and all the brackets | 10:31 |
apachelogger | and the compiling | 10:31 |
eagles0513875 | \sh: didnt know that | 10:31 |
apachelogger | oh boy, the compiling freaks me out | 10:31 |
eagles0513875 | apachelogger: been there done that with java | 10:31 |
apachelogger | java > c++ | 10:31 |
apachelogger | python > java | 10:32 |
apachelogger | ruby > python | 10:32 |
apachelogger | my opinion | 10:32 |
eagles0513875 | right in all honesty i dont have time to sit down and learn these things cuz i am working on my linux lpi jr lvl certification | 10:33 |
\sh | apachelogger: lol | 10:33 |
\sh | eagles0513875: why don't you say LPIC-1 | 10:33 |
\sh | which can be done in less then one hour | 10:33 |
eagles0513875 | lol | 10:33 |
apachelogger | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Eureka+Web+Browser?content=84590 | 10:34 |
apachelogger | omg | 10:34 |
apachelogger | we have a browser flood :S | 10:34 |
eagles0513875 | i have tried that in other places and people have know idea what lpi is | 10:34 |
apachelogger | there is konqueror, there is that qt demo browser, there is the enhancement of the qt demobrowser - arora, there is foxkit, there is eureka | 10:34 |
apachelogger | even I have my own browser | 10:34 |
apachelogger | somewhere | 10:34 |
eagles0513875 | what you worried about its version .1 | 10:34 |
eagles0513875 | there is firefox3 and opera too | 10:35 |
apachelogger | firefox3 is no browser | 10:35 |
apachelogger | opera is, but it's not free | 10:35 |
apachelogger | which makes it quite uncomparable anyway | 10:35 |
eagles0513875 | the gui though for it is in dire need of development | 10:35 |
apachelogger | the thing with all the qt based browser is ... they all use webkit :P | 10:35 |
eagles0513875 | im actually trying to dev a java based irc client for my webhosting company to use on their website | 10:36 |
* eagles0513875 wonders why room went silent is it because i said the word java | 10:38 | |
apachelogger | yes | 10:38 |
apachelogger | in combination with website | 10:38 |
eagles0513875 | lol | 10:38 |
eagles0513875 | whats so bad bout what i said | 10:39 |
apachelogger | I don't know | 10:39 |
eagles0513875 | lol | 10:39 |
supert0nes | java==most verbose language ever | 10:40 |
eagles0513875 | if its used in relation to a website whats so bad about it. its more of a support irc for my webhosting that hosts my website | 10:40 |
supert0nes | nothing wrong with java | 10:41 |
supert0nes | it just takes a lot of code to make something | 10:41 |
apachelogger | ajax irc clients > java irc clients | 10:41 |
eagles0513875 | thing is java is the only thing i know right now since i had to take the basics of java class for my degree | 10:41 |
eagles0513875 | not this coming yr but yr after have to learn all the advanced features of it | 10:42 |
eagles0513875 | like gui's and all that so basically im trying to get a jump on things | 10:42 |
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\sh | eagles0513875: read the o'reilly head first books on java and design patterns...no need to study for that...get out of the house and earn money and help the society ;) | 10:45 |
eagles0513875 | \sh: already am | 10:45 |
eagles0513875 | making money that is | 10:45 |
eagles0513875 | got an IT internship at my college | 10:45 |
\sh | so read the head first books | 10:45 |
\sh | moins allee | 10:45 |
eagles0513875 | j/w are there alot of bugs out on hardy right now bugs on packages | 10:46 |
allee | \sh moin moin | 10:46 |
* apachelogger dances through the channel | 10:46 | |
* eagles0513875 goes to launchpad | 10:47 | |
eagles0513875 | !lanuchpad | 10:48 |
ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about lanuchpad | 10:48 |
eagles0513875 | !info lanuchpad | 10:48 |
ubottu | Package lanuchpad does not exist in hardy | 10:48 |
eagles0513875 | !launchpad | 10:48 |
ubottu | Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/ | 10:48 |
apachelogger | and closed source | 10:48 |
eagles0513875 | ? | 10:49 |
allee | eagles0513875: launchpad itself is closed source | 10:49 |
apachelogger | aight | 10:50 |
eagles0513875 | gotcha | 10:50 |
eagles0513875 | wasnt it developed by canonical | 10:50 |
apachelogger | vorian: please get an revu adin and ask him to nuke bluetrash | 10:50 |
apachelogger | otherwise it might take some time | 10:50 |
apachelogger | vorian: you noticed that http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=trash is a debian package? :P | 10:51 |
eagles0513875 | if i want to use kubuntu as the basis for my own distro and i give it a new name is that ok | 10:56 |
eagles0513875 | or would i have to get special permission to do that | 10:57 |
apachelogger | Oo | 10:57 |
apachelogger | it's open source | 10:58 |
apachelogger | how are we gonna stop you :P | 10:58 |
eagles0513875 | would i have to get permission if i wanted to use the same name | 10:59 |
eagles0513875 | call it kubuntu cluster edition lol | 11:00 |
apachelogger | yes | 11:02 |
apachelogger | from canonical | 11:02 |
eagles0513875 | ok | 11:02 |
eagles0513875 | how would one go about doing that | 11:02 |
apachelogger | ask the google | 11:02 |
eagles0513875 | or go to cannonical website | 11:04 |
apachelogger | mhb: so what is a rational reason to prefer python over ruby? | 11:08 |
Jucato | eagles0513875: or the ubuntu marketing mailing list | 11:09 |
eagles0513875 | Jucato: where can i find that | 11:10 |
apachelogger | 11:10 | |
* apachelogger goes lunching | 11:10 | |
Jucato | trademarks@ubuntu.com perhaps | 11:11 |
gnomefreak | what sound server does kubuntu use? | 11:12 |
eagles0513875 | gnomefreak: you use ubuntu for server since its all command line | 11:12 |
gnomefreak | eagles0513875: i knwo what im using but kubuntu doesnt use pulse audio what does it use? | 11:13 |
Jucato | gnomefreak: KDE 3 = still aRts | 11:13 |
gnomefreak | Jucato: and 4? | 11:13 |
Jucato | KDE 4 = phonon (xine) | 11:13 |
gnomefreak | thanks | 11:13 |
eagles0513875 | gnomefreak: sry misread ur question | 11:14 |
* eagles0513875 sews lips shut | 11:14 | |
gnomefreak | eagles0513875: no problem | 11:14 |
gnomefreak | im looking for a way to backport flash 10 without using libflashsupport and kde is really making this hard since im sure kde users would rather not change arts | 11:15 |
Nightrose | apachelogger: FYI https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/245522 | 11:56 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 245522 in amarok "installation step failed" [Undecided,Fix released] | 11:56 |
apachelogger | ha! | 11:58 |
apachelogger | I guess that explains the error Riddell was talking about :D | 11:58 |
Nightrose | ;-) | 11:58 |
* Nightrose notes that the new launchpad navigation feels strange | 12:00 | |
* apachelogger loves it | 12:01 | |
Nightrose | hehe | 12:01 |
Nightrose | ok | 12:01 |
Hobbsee | eagles0513875: ubuntu has a trademarks page | 12:16 |
Hobbsee | eagles0513875: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy | 12:17 |
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apachelogger | Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot036.png | 12:43 |
apachelogger | rubyqt is the sweetest | 12:43 |
* Nightrose hugs apachelogger | 12:43 | |
Nightrose | nice :) | 12:43 |
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gnomefreak | um is kstartupconfig4 broken? | 14:41 |
gnomefreak | it also seems that kde4 doesnt respect update-alternatives for usplash-artwork.so changing it from kde to gnome | 14:43 |
gnomefreak | also is it me or did kubuntu-kde4-desktop change to kubuntu-desktop? | 14:45 |
Xand3r | hey! | 15:51 |
Xand3r | what is the best section for a theme? for a kwin theme? kde, misc? | 15:52 |
yuriy | Xand3r: is there an artwork section? | 15:53 |
yuriy | look up what current ones are in | 15:54 |
Xand3r | yuriy: good idea | 15:54 |
Xand3r | new version http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4 | 16:37 |
Xand3r | away, have some fun in the sun | 16:38 |
ScottK-laptop | Riddell: I'm looking at Bug #236996. Do we need to backport python-qt4 too? | 18:27 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 236996 in hardy-backports "PyQt 4.4.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236996 | 18:27 |
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ScottK-laptop | nixternal: You around? | 19:30 |
ScottK-laptop | nixternal: Would you please have a look at Bug #193567 and see if there's a reasonable solution to make gutsy-backports work? | 19:31 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 193567 in gutsy-backports "koffice2 package broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193567 | 19:31 |
ScottK-laptop | It looks to me like the kdebase-runtime package is missing stuff, but I didn't do enough with the KDE4 stuff to know how to fix it. | 19:32 |
nosrednaekim | hey guys | 19:57 |
ScottK | nixternal: Bug #187298 could use a look too. | 20:25 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 187298 in gutsy-backports "kscan-kd4 file level conflict with kde4graphics" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187298 | 20:25 |
Xand3r | thx apachelogger for the kde update | 20:49 |
vorian | arrgh, fresh install of the nightly build gives me the startup error 'could not start kstartupconfig4. Check your installation' | 20:55 |
Xand3r | apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal droped the "kde4"and done the other things, pleas recheck it, thx | 21:00 |
jjesse | happy saturday | 21:14 |
vorian | howdy jjesse | 21:15 |
jjesse | hello vorian | 21:15 |
vorian | time to shoot of some 5th of july fireworks! | 21:15 |
jjesse | yay | 21:15 |
vorian | :) | 21:15 |
mouz | apachelogger: i'm packaging stjerm, a terminal emulator which starts invisible by default. The user needs to press an accelerator key to display the terminal. I wonder whether I should leave out the .desktop file. Otherwise: user clicks icon and nothing seems to happen. An alternative is that I include NoDisplay=true. Other alternative: patch code to make it visible by default. | 21:49 |
JontheEchidna | apachelogger: In regards to http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2560, what did you mean in comment 7? | 21:56 |
papabean | JontheEchidna: Does jockey have options with arguments? | 22:02 |
papabean | Or just options? | 22:02 |
* JontheEchidna doesn't recall offhand | 22:02 | |
papabean | Just curious because language-selector has a required option and an argument. A bit of a pickle parsing the C class documentation to get the arguments passed properly. | 22:03 |
JontheEchidna | It might check for rootness | 22:03 |
papabean | But I've made great headway. | 22:03 |
papabean | Thankfully the check for rootness is done by the sys module, so that piece of code still works. | 22:03 |
papabean | But PyKDE uses its own handling of commandline arguments, so sys.argv ends up empty. | 22:04 |
JontheEchidna | The only command line args it takes is for the new aboutdata | 22:04 |
JontheEchidna | and of course sys.argv | 22:04 |
papabean | Right, but when KCmdLineArgs gets sys.argv, sys.argv ends up empty. | 22:04 |
papabean | So, you have to use PyKDE4's mechanism for parsing arguments. | 22:05 |
papabean | Sadly, the documentation isn't really clear. | 22:05 |
JontheEchidna | Yeah... | 22:05 |
papabean | S'okay. Figured out how to have the required option plus parse its argument. | 22:05 |
papabean | Now it's getting the argument to pass to the next module in language-selector's chain. | 22:05 |
papabean | And that keyboard problem was making it hard to type code. :) | 22:06 |
JontheEchidna | My Qt Designer is broken with the latest Hardy python-kde4 packages, do you experience the same problem? | 22:06 |
papabean | Not using Designer yet, because I'm not creating from scratch. | 22:06 |
JontheEchidna | Ah, right | 22:06 |
* JontheEchidna wanted to add a button to the gui to activate the spiffy free about dialog we get | 22:07 | |
JontheEchidna | But the pykde4 plugins make it segfault. :( | 22:07 |
papabean | Could still be done via the direct code: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ - all of these tutorials use only the code and not Designer. | 22:08 |
papabean | Compare the code there with PyKDE docs and you might be able to add it. | 22:09 |
JontheEchidna | Yeah, I could do it with the code but the rest of the ui is already set up in a ui file | 22:09 |
papabean | Gotcha. | 22:09 |
JontheEchidna | and it probably isn't a good idea to scatter ui setup between the ui file and the main file | 22:09 |
* papabean agrees. | 22:09 | |
* JontheEchidna is away to eat | 22:10 | |
papabean | Is Riddell around? | 22:12 |
papabean | Looks like I got the argument passing to work in qt-language-selector to work properly. | 22:13 |
papabean | Time to go back to getting the app to respect the user's KDE4 style. Wondering if I should push these changes? | 22:13 |
papabean | Guess it can't hurt. Changes don't committed until someone else reviews, correct? | 22:15 |
* JontheEchidna is back | 22:21 | |
* JontheEchidna is also new to bzr | 22:21 | |
JontheEchidna | papabean: Does language selector run as root too? | 22:24 |
JontheEchidna | 'cuz this is also a problem with any kde or gtk app run as root atm | 22:25 |
papabean | It runs as root. | 22:25 |
papabean | If you don't run it as root, you get the appropriate warning, however. | 22:26 |
JontheEchidna | atm root-running apps use root's default theme | 22:26 |
JontheEchidna | which is basically the kubuntu defaults afaik | 22:27 |
* JontheEchidna thinks changes to other kubuntu/kde components are necessary to fix the problem | 22:28 | |
papabean | Riddell had asked me to start getting one of the files to use the KDE4 icon mechanism instead of Qt. | 22:31 |
papabean | This is what led to me having to decipher the C++ class documentation to get the launcher script to parse command-line options with arguments. | 22:31 |
papabean | I'm guessing the thought is that using the KDE4 mechanism, it would recognize the user that called for admin privileges and use THEIR theme, instead. | 22:32 |
JontheEchidna | That doesn't seem to be the case even with C++ official apps. | 22:33 |
* JontheEchidna notices the different fonts every time he opens dolphin as admin | 22:33 | |
papabean | Yeah. and qt-language-selector checks to see if you're user 0 which means it doesn't distinguish between a request for privileges vs. root user. | 22:36 |
JontheEchidna | Ah | 22:36 |
papabean | Ok...Now to go back to changing the icon mechanism in the other part of language-selector. | 22:36 |
* JontheEchidna notices that jockey populates a QLabel with a QIcon, and that you can't populate a QLabel with a KIcon | 22:37 | |
JontheEchidna | now to think of clever hax | 22:37 |
papabean | That's kinda where I am with this one. | 22:37 |
papabean | The main app creates a Qwidget instance. | 22:37 |
papabean | And then the icons are all set with QIcon. | 22:38 |
papabean | I'm trying to see what the corresponding "KWidget" would be, but the pyKDE4 docs need help. | 22:38 |
papabean | The class reference is a reference auto-generated from the C++ class code. | 22:39 |
papabean | Which makes it tricky to convert to Python. | 22:39 |
JontheEchidna | Yeah, I noticed. | 22:39 |
JontheEchidna | The PyQt ones are a bit better about that. | 22:39 |
papabean | I'm happy, though. I was able to decipher "QString anotherOptionArg = args->getOption("another-option");" | 22:39 |
papabean | And the crazy options.add() docs to find out how to include arguments to options. | 22:40 |
papabean | Now, looking at the LanguageSelector/qt/QtLanguageSelector.py file, it won't run as is now that it's been changed to a KApplication. | 22:53 |
papabean | It won't run as is if called by itself. When called from the launcher script, it works fine. | 22:54 |
papabean | Because __main__ isn't called. | 22:54 |
papabean | Ok. Cut and paste from the launcher script. Checks for the same options and runs fine. | 22:58 |
JontheEchidna | Heh, it feels weird playing around with software someone else made... | 23:00 |
papabean | Isn't that the nature of OSS, though? | 23:01 |
JontheEchidna | Yeah, but all I've done before is make my own little pyqt apps here and there. | 23:02 |
papabean | I've not even done that. :) | 23:04 |
papabean | Most of my experience has been shell scripts for work. | 23:04 |
papabean | But I've been dabbling in Python for the last few months and saw the call for contributors to Kubuntu...so here I am. | 23:05 |
* JontheEchidna is new to pyqt and pykde too | 23:05 | |
papabean | I'm just glad to be giving back to Linux in some way. | 23:06 |
JontheEchidna | Yup, and we can't let ubuntu people get away with saying that ubuntu has more polish than kubuntu, now can we? ;P | 23:07 |
supert0nes | kde4 needs a good year of polish | 23:14 |
papabean | And then some. :) | 23:15 |
papabean | It's getting there, but clunky, clunky, clunky. | 23:15 |
papabean | One example: In KDE3.5.9, my GTK+ apps integrated into my desktop. In KDE 4.1 beta 2, the fonts are too big, they use the default GTK+ theme. | 23:17 |
papabean | Another: My keyboard shortcuts for switching desktops or moving apps to another desktop keep getting forgotten. | 23:17 |
JontheEchidna | papabean: Seen gtk-qt-engine? | 23:18 |
JontheEchidna | Also, custom shortcuts in general got borked in 4.1. :/ | 23:18 |
papabean | gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is already the latest version. ;) | 23:19 |
JontheEchidna | lol ;) | 23:19 |
JontheEchidna | Humph, seems KIcon doesn't like absolute paths... | 23:20 |
JontheEchidna | not very useful to use as a fallback... | 23:20 |
papabean | But KDE4 is the future of Kubuntu, so I'll use it. | 23:20 |
papabean | I've also noticed that desktop-effects (compiz) is HORRIBLE under KDE (3 & 4). | 23:21 |
papabean | And it appears to be a default setting for KDE 4.1 | 23:21 |
papabean | On appears to be. | 23:21 |
JontheEchidna | KDE4 uses its own KWin effects | 23:21 |
papabean | Really? | 23:21 |
JontheEchidna | Yup yup | 23:21 |
papabean | Real f'ing slow. | 23:22 |
papabean | :) | 23:22 |
JontheEchidna | What type of videocard do you have? | 23:22 |
papabean | NVidia Geforce FX 5200 Ultra | 23:22 |
papabean | 128MB card | 23:22 |
JontheEchidna | NVidia Geforce 4 MX 440 | 23:22 |
JontheEchidna | 64 MB card | 23:23 |
papabean | But Gnome+Compiz is snappy and responsive when changing desktops, etc. | 23:23 |
JontheEchidna | yeah, I noticed that | 23:23 |
papabean | Kwin w/Desktop Effects is slow. | 23:23 |
JontheEchidna | but wobbly windows and funnily enough coverswitch work decently | 23:23 |
klerfayt | will you guys put some effort into integrating kde3 applications looks with kde4 in Intrepid? | 23:32 |
JontheEchidna | We already use a theme that looks somewhat like Oxygen in Hardy | 23:33 |
JontheEchidna | Well, the scrollbars aren't blue or anything... | 23:34 |
JontheEchidna | Theme stuff isn't really my area so I'm not an expert or anyting on it | 23:34 |
papabean_ | Anyone know how to bump your zombie nick from IRC? | 23:38 |
stdin | !ghost | 23:39 |
ubottu | On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password> | 23:39 |
papabean_ | Danke, stdin. | 23:41 |
vorian | ghost ftw | 23:44 |
papabean | !hostmask | 23:46 |
ubottu | Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks | 23:46 |
vorian | papabean: would you like a unaffiliated cloak? | 23:47 |
papabean | vorian: Yes, please. | 23:47 |
vorian | done | 23:47 |
papabean | Will that happen automatically from now on? | 23:47 |
vorian | as long as you identify with services first, yes | 23:47 |
jussi01 | vorian: excellent service :D | 23:47 |
vorian | :) | 23:47 |
papabean | I second that. | 23:48 |
vorian | you had everyting all ready set, so koodo's to you! :) | 23:49 |
JontheEchidna | bzr error, halp: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25287/ | 23:50 |
* JontheEchidna can't push his commit | 23:50 | |
JontheEchidna | Oh, forgot to register the ssh key, lolz | 23:52 |
vorian | ;o | 23:52 |
vorian | bah | 23:52 |
stdin | JontheEchidna: btw, you can't push to lp: URLs, even though it says you can on the page | 23:54 |
JontheEchidna | Oh, maybe that was it, because I had published my key to LP before | 23:54 |
JontheEchidna | nvm that was pgp | 23:54 |
JontheEchidna | too many damn keys! | 23:55 |
stdin | try using bzr+ssh://you@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/jockey/jockey-kde/ | 23:55 |
stdin | replacing "you" of course | 23:55 |
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