[00:00] dame error [00:01] hm [00:01] nice [00:01] Xand3r: which id [00:02] /bin/sh: id: not found [00:02] dpkg -S usr/bin/id [00:03] imagemagick: /usr/bin/identify [00:03] coreutils: /usr/bin/id [00:04] oh boy [00:04] Xand3r: file /usr/bin/id [00:04] apachelogger: woher soll ich wissen was du willst [00:05] /usr/bin/id: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [00:05] env [00:07] what i have to look for? [00:07] paste it [00:08] http://paste.ubuntu.com/25099/ [00:09] ok [00:09] that doesn't make any sense [00:09] really, none at all [00:10] ? [00:10] sense = nil [00:10] Xand3r: I don't know why sh can't find id anymore [00:10] might be magic b0rkage [00:10] Xand3r: try relogging in [00:10] or rebooting [00:11] i know that problem for 3 days [00:11] i think i will change nothing with a reboot [00:11] cool [00:11] something is b0rked [00:11] I just don't know what [00:12] thats cool [00:12] -.- [00:12] * apachelogger goes smokin [00:12] hf [00:17] Xand3r: new though [00:17] first [00:17] sh [00:17] then [00:17] which id [00:17] then [00:17] env [00:19] id is a non standard UNIX tool anyway [00:19] :o) [00:20] id is in coreutils, that makes it pretty corish :P [00:20] ah, bs [00:20] apachelogger: it is, but some of the tools there are not in the SUSv2 spec [00:20] but I've mistaken id for another one [00:20] id is there [00:21] stat for example [00:22] my mistake [00:23] doesn't matter anyway, debuild fails, that makes it important ;-) [00:24] ah, the lovely life of a packager [00:24] :) [00:25] you really should let the machines do that [00:25] AI will never advance if you keep doing all of its work :o) [00:26] true, that also leaves more time for qtruby fun [00:26] ruby? [00:26] come on [00:26] Maybe humanity will never achieve good ai because they're too lazy? [00:26] meh [00:26] JontheEchidna: nah [00:26] JontheEchidna: we're not lazy [00:26] Oo [00:26] can't agree on that [00:26] JontheEchidna: we only sometimes get distracted [00:26] Have the machines develop the AI for us! :p [00:27] I get an idea for an application every day [00:27] but I can't code them all [00:27] it's not laziness, it's priorities...and also a bit of laziness [00:27] Yup [00:28] well [00:28] delegation > work [00:28] apachelogger: still I'd suggest you dropping the less popular nothing-new-bringing language and go with python :o) [00:28] python ftw [00:28] nah nah, ruby ftw [00:28] <3 japan :P [00:29] sorry was away [00:29] what is with sh? [00:29] sh-ell [00:29] jea [00:29] apachelogger: I bet you have no rational reason for preferring ruby over python [00:29] using it [00:29] and? [00:30] mhb: no, I don't [00:30] do I need one? [00:31] apachelogger: if you were a rational programmer, probably yes [00:31] * apachelogger is not ever rational [00:31] ^^ [00:31] rationallity is preventing innovation [00:31] unfortunately [00:31] so apachelogger tell me what to do? [00:32] Xand3r: I did [00:32] irrationality on several levels is the reason I'm not willing to participate in any KDE development in the foreseeable future [00:32] I'll stick to my rational computer science and math [00:33] apachelogger: in such short sentences that i dont know what to do [00:34] gnaa i am so stupid [00:35] Xand3r: you austrian! [00:35] Yummy! [00:36] Coldcut turkey sandwhich + nacho cheese for chips [00:36] apachelogger: _=id [00:36] not good or? [00:37] Xand3r: from which command? [00:37] env [00:42] apachelogger my master, what i have to do? [00:42] Xand3r: that is all env said? [00:42] no [00:43] i want the hole env from sh? [00:43] aye [00:43] you will get it [00:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/25103/ [00:45] Xand3r: what did - which id say? [00:46] $ which id say? [00:46] /usr/bin/id [00:46] Oo [00:46] dont got that this was an command [00:46] Xand3r: exit [00:46] then try debuild again [00:47] error [00:48] the same [00:48] well [00:48] maybe preload is actually causing the b0rkage [00:48] Xand3r: get rid of that stupid preloading [00:49] hä? [00:49] ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. [00:50] Xand3r: sudo apt-get purge preload [00:50] should do the job [00:50] I guess [00:50] ok [00:51] funny [00:51] Package preload is not installed, so not removed [00:51] Oo [00:51] aye, that ain't good for sure [00:52] maybe [00:52] slow i hate what my system become [00:54] apachelogger: i am right with that we could not fix that to day? [00:54] so i would say we stop here, thank you for help [00:55] but it is late [00:55] * apachelogger already stopped [00:55] out of ideas [00:55] hmm [00:55] a qestion befor going to sleep [00:56] on my laptop os now intrepid with kde4.1 [00:56] emm, it looklike your nightly build [00:56] but it isn't or? [00:58] apachelogger: gn8 [00:59] nini [00:59] Xand3r: is not [00:59] btw [01:00] ok wie aktuell sind dann die pakete dafür? [01:08] Heh, not much to language-selector-qt, I guess all the magic happens in the non-gui scripts === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [01:16] Oh, that wasn't all of the frontend I was looking at... [01:16] lewl [01:21] * supert0nes is pumped that kde-nightly is updating [01:30] berb === akonadi is now known as nihui [04:45] Does dbus have anything to do with sound ? [04:46] that depends how tightly you want to define "anything" [04:47] Well Sound is somehow tied to KDE [04:48] I'm trying to figure out what KDE starts that allows me to have sound [04:48] knotify? [04:48] I don't think so [04:48] oh wait, sound at all in kde... [04:48] Hobbsee: Not sound for KDE Sound AT ALL [04:48] Outside of KDE I get squat [04:48] is this intrepid? [04:49] oh, strange. [04:49] No I think it started in Guts [04:49] +y [04:49] but I didn't care about it so much [04:49] Since I've started hopping virtual machines for testing it's really annoying [04:50] I have to start KDM log into KDE [04:50] kill the session and I have sound everywhere else [04:50] but without that The hills are alive with the sound of squat [04:50] haha [04:51] The only thing I see starting up that kinda flicks a light saying hey that could be it is dbus [04:53] Anyone have any bright ideas as to what would normally give sound from the command line? [04:53] aplay [04:53] (use it on a .wav or something) [04:59] Hobbsee: Oh no not apps I have apps [04:59] that's how I know it doesn't work :) I meant framwaorks or daemons [05:00] oh [05:02] I went through startkde [05:02] Nothing in there sounds like it would fit [05:02] I just know that if I start playing something from the command line I have nothing [05:03] While it's playing log into KDE and it picks up sound [05:03] kill the session and it keeps the sound [05:45] hmm, seem i lost compositing on the latest update [06:43] txwikinger: ? === akonadi is now known as nihui === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai [10:25] vorian: kio-ftps revued [10:27] morning [10:27] <\sh> moins [10:28] <\sh> apachelogger: didn't you want to go on holidays? ;) [10:28] I did :S [10:29] <\sh> apachelogger: ah so revuing and pushing new crack is holiday? ;) [10:29] * apachelogger needs to plan the travel [10:29] but I have traveling [10:29] \sh: better than bug triage, right? ;-) [10:29] <\sh> apachelogger: start coding on leonov :) that's fun ;) [10:30] \sh: apachelogger's release script is more fun [10:30] * eagles0513875 need to find a place to start coding php c++ python [10:30] + it's ruby :P [10:30] * eagles0513875 so many languages dunno where to start [10:30] \sh: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot035.png [10:30] <\sh> eagles0513875: p...p...p....python ;) [10:30] lol [10:30] isnt c++ a good place as well [10:31] <\sh> apachelogger: wow [10:31] at least in regards to bug fixing [10:31] <\sh> eagles0513875: sure ... but python you are more successful in less time :) [10:31] well [10:31] for a reason [10:31] c++ is awfulish [10:31] the syntax is [10:31] and all the brackets [10:31] and the compiling [10:31] \sh: didnt know that [10:31] oh boy, the compiling freaks me out [10:31] apachelogger: been there done that with java [10:31] java > c++ [10:32] python > java [10:32] ruby > python [10:32] my opinion [10:33] right in all honesty i dont have time to sit down and learn these things cuz i am working on my linux lpi jr lvl certification [10:33] <\sh> apachelogger: lol [10:33] <\sh> eagles0513875: why don't you say LPIC-1 [10:33] <\sh> which can be done in less then one hour [10:33] lol [10:34] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Eureka+Web+Browser?content=84590 [10:34] omg [10:34] we have a browser flood :S [10:34] i have tried that in other places and people have know idea what lpi is [10:34] there is konqueror, there is that qt demo browser, there is the enhancement of the qt demobrowser - arora, there is foxkit, there is eureka [10:34] even I have my own browser [10:34] somewhere [10:34] what you worried about its version .1 [10:35] there is firefox3 and opera too [10:35] firefox3 is no browser [10:35] opera is, but it's not free [10:35] which makes it quite uncomparable anyway [10:35] the gui though for it is in dire need of development [10:35] the thing with all the qt based browser is ... they all use webkit :P [10:36] im actually trying to dev a java based irc client for my webhosting company to use on their website [10:38] * eagles0513875 wonders why room went silent is it because i said the word java [10:38] yes [10:38] in combination with website [10:38] lol [10:39] whats so bad bout what i said [10:39] I don't know [10:39] lol [10:40] java==most verbose language ever [10:40] if its used in relation to a website whats so bad about it. its more of a support irc for my webhosting that hosts my website [10:41] nothing wrong with java [10:41] it just takes a lot of code to make something [10:41] ajax irc clients > java irc clients [10:41] thing is java is the only thing i know right now since i had to take the basics of java class for my degree [10:42] not this coming yr but yr after have to learn all the advanced features of it [10:42] like gui's and all that so basically im trying to get a jump on things === supert0nes is now known as supert0nes[A] [10:45] <\sh> eagles0513875: read the o'reilly head first books on java and design patterns...no need to study for that...get out of the house and earn money and help the society ;) [10:45] \sh: already am [10:45] making money that is [10:45] got an IT internship at my college [10:45] <\sh> so read the head first books [10:45] <\sh> moins allee [10:46] j/w are there alot of bugs out on hardy right now bugs on packages [10:46] \sh moin moin [10:46] * apachelogger dances through the channel [10:47] * eagles0513875 goes to launchpad [10:48] !lanuchpad [10:48] Sorry, I don't know anything about lanuchpad [10:48] !info lanuchpad [10:48] Package lanuchpad does not exist in hardy [10:48] !launchpad [10:48] Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/ [10:48] and closed source [10:49] ? [10:49] eagles0513875: launchpad itself is closed source [10:50] aight [10:50] gotcha [10:50] wasnt it developed by canonical [10:50] vorian: please get an revu adin and ask him to nuke bluetrash [10:50] otherwise it might take some time [10:51] vorian: you noticed that http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=trash is a debian package? :P [10:56] if i want to use kubuntu as the basis for my own distro and i give it a new name is that ok [10:57] or would i have to get special permission to do that [10:57] Oo [10:58] it's open source [10:58] how are we gonna stop you :P [10:59] would i have to get permission if i wanted to use the same name [11:00] call it kubuntu cluster edition lol [11:02] yes [11:02] from canonical [11:02] ok [11:02] how would one go about doing that [11:02] ask the google [11:04] or go to cannonical website [11:08] mhb: so what is a rational reason to prefer python over ruby? [11:09] eagles0513875: or the ubuntu marketing mailing list [11:10] Jucato: where can i find that [11:10] google [11:10] * apachelogger goes lunching [11:11] trademarks@ubuntu.com perhaps [11:12] what sound server does kubuntu use? [11:12] gnomefreak: you use ubuntu for server since its all command line [11:13] eagles0513875: i knwo what im using but kubuntu doesnt use pulse audio what does it use? [11:13] gnomefreak: KDE 3 = still aRts [11:13] Jucato: and 4? [11:13] KDE 4 = phonon (xine) [11:13] thanks [11:14] gnomefreak: sry misread ur question [11:14] * eagles0513875 sews lips shut [11:14] eagles0513875: no problem [11:15] im looking for a way to backport flash 10 without using libflashsupport and kde is really making this hard since im sure kde users would rather not change arts [11:56] apachelogger: FYI https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/245522 [11:56] Launchpad bug 245522 in amarok "installation step failed" [Undecided,Fix released] [11:58] ha! [11:58] I guess that explains the error Riddell was talking about :D [11:58] ;-) [12:00] * Nightrose notes that the new launchpad navigation feels strange [12:01] * apachelogger loves it [12:01] hehe [12:01] ok [12:16] eagles0513875: ubuntu has a trademarks page [12:17] eagles0513875: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy === seaLne_ is now known as seaLne [12:43] Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot036.png [12:43] rubyqt is the sweetest [12:43] * Nightrose hugs apachelogger [12:43] nice :) === akonadi is now known as nihui [14:41] um is kstartupconfig4 broken? [14:43] it also seems that kde4 doesnt respect update-alternatives for usplash-artwork.so changing it from kde to gnome [14:45] also is it me or did kubuntu-kde4-desktop change to kubuntu-desktop? [15:51] hey! [15:52] what is the best section for a theme? for a kwin theme? kde, misc? [15:53] Xand3r: is there an artwork section? [15:54] look up what current ones are in [15:54] yuriy: good idea [16:37] new version http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4 [16:38] away, have some fun in the sun [18:27] Riddell: I'm looking at Bug #236996. Do we need to backport python-qt4 too? [18:27] Launchpad bug 236996 in hardy-backports "PyQt 4.4.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236996 === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [19:30] nixternal: You around? [19:31] nixternal: Would you please have a look at Bug #193567 and see if there's a reasonable solution to make gutsy-backports work? [19:31] Launchpad bug 193567 in gutsy-backports "koffice2 package broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193567 [19:32] It looks to me like the kdebase-runtime package is missing stuff, but I didn't do enough with the KDE4 stuff to know how to fix it. [19:57] hey guys [20:25] nixternal: Bug #187298 could use a look too. [20:25] Launchpad bug 187298 in gutsy-backports "kscan-kd4 file level conflict with kde4graphics" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187298 [20:49] thx apachelogger for the kde update [20:55] arrgh, fresh install of the nightly build gives me the startup error 'could not start kstartupconfig4. Check your installation' [21:00] apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal droped the "kde4"and done the other things, pleas recheck it, thx [21:14] happy saturday [21:15] howdy jjesse [21:15] hello vorian [21:15] time to shoot of some 5th of july fireworks! [21:15] yay [21:15] :) [21:49] apachelogger: i'm packaging stjerm, a terminal emulator which starts invisible by default. The user needs to press an accelerator key to display the terminal. I wonder whether I should leave out the .desktop file. Otherwise: user clicks icon and nothing seems to happen. An alternative is that I include NoDisplay=true. Other alternative: patch code to make it visible by default. [21:56] apachelogger: In regards to http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2560, what did you mean in comment 7? [22:02] JontheEchidna: Does jockey have options with arguments? [22:02] Or just options? [22:02] * JontheEchidna doesn't recall offhand [22:03] Just curious because language-selector has a required option and an argument. A bit of a pickle parsing the C class documentation to get the arguments passed properly. [22:03] It might check for rootness [22:03] But I've made great headway. [22:03] Thankfully the check for rootness is done by the sys module, so that piece of code still works. [22:04] But PyKDE uses its own handling of commandline arguments, so sys.argv ends up empty. [22:04] The only command line args it takes is for the new aboutdata [22:04] and of course sys.argv [22:04] Right, but when KCmdLineArgs gets sys.argv, sys.argv ends up empty. [22:05] So, you have to use PyKDE4's mechanism for parsing arguments. [22:05] Sadly, the documentation isn't really clear. [22:05] Yeah... [22:05] S'okay. Figured out how to have the required option plus parse its argument. [22:05] Now it's getting the argument to pass to the next module in language-selector's chain. [22:06] And that keyboard problem was making it hard to type code. :) [22:06] My Qt Designer is broken with the latest Hardy python-kde4 packages, do you experience the same problem? [22:06] Not using Designer yet, because I'm not creating from scratch. [22:06] Ah, right [22:07] * JontheEchidna wanted to add a button to the gui to activate the spiffy free about dialog we get [22:07] But the pykde4 plugins make it segfault. :( [22:08] Could still be done via the direct code: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ - all of these tutorials use only the code and not Designer. [22:09] Compare the code there with PyKDE docs and you might be able to add it. [22:09] Yeah, I could do it with the code but the rest of the ui is already set up in a ui file [22:09] Gotcha. [22:09] and it probably isn't a good idea to scatter ui setup between the ui file and the main file [22:09] * papabean agrees. [22:10] * JontheEchidna is away to eat [22:12] Is Riddell around? [22:13] Looks like I got the argument passing to work in qt-language-selector to work properly. [22:13] Time to go back to getting the app to respect the user's KDE4 style. Wondering if I should push these changes? [22:15] Guess it can't hurt. Changes don't committed until someone else reviews, correct? [22:21] * JontheEchidna is back [22:21] * JontheEchidna is also new to bzr [22:24] papabean: Does language selector run as root too? [22:25] 'cuz this is also a problem with any kde or gtk app run as root atm [22:25] It runs as root. [22:26] If you don't run it as root, you get the appropriate warning, however. [22:26] atm root-running apps use root's default theme [22:27] which is basically the kubuntu defaults afaik [22:28] * JontheEchidna thinks changes to other kubuntu/kde components are necessary to fix the problem [22:31] Riddell had asked me to start getting one of the files to use the KDE4 icon mechanism instead of Qt. [22:31] This is what led to me having to decipher the C++ class documentation to get the launcher script to parse command-line options with arguments. [22:32] I'm guessing the thought is that using the KDE4 mechanism, it would recognize the user that called for admin privileges and use THEIR theme, instead. [22:33] That doesn't seem to be the case even with C++ official apps. [22:33] * JontheEchidna notices the different fonts every time he opens dolphin as admin [22:36] Yeah. and qt-language-selector checks to see if you're user 0 which means it doesn't distinguish between a request for privileges vs. root user. [22:36] Ah [22:36] Ok...Now to go back to changing the icon mechanism in the other part of language-selector. [22:37] * JontheEchidna notices that jockey populates a QLabel with a QIcon, and that you can't populate a QLabel with a KIcon [22:37] now to think of clever hax [22:37] That's kinda where I am with this one. [22:37] The main app creates a Qwidget instance. [22:38] And then the icons are all set with QIcon. [22:38] I'm trying to see what the corresponding "KWidget" would be, but the pyKDE4 docs need help. [22:39] The class reference is a reference auto-generated from the C++ class code. [22:39] Which makes it tricky to convert to Python. [22:39] Yeah, I noticed. [22:39] The PyQt ones are a bit better about that. [22:39] I'm happy, though. I was able to decipher "QString anotherOptionArg = args->getOption("another-option");" [22:40] And the crazy options.add() docs to find out how to include arguments to options. [22:53] Now, looking at the LanguageSelector/qt/QtLanguageSelector.py file, it won't run as is now that it's been changed to a KApplication. [22:54] It won't run as is if called by itself. When called from the launcher script, it works fine. [22:54] Because __main__ isn't called. [22:58] Ok. Cut and paste from the launcher script. Checks for the same options and runs fine. [23:00] Heh, it feels weird playing around with software someone else made... [23:01] Isn't that the nature of OSS, though? [23:02] Yeah, but all I've done before is make my own little pyqt apps here and there. [23:04] I've not even done that. :) [23:04] Most of my experience has been shell scripts for work. [23:05] But I've been dabbling in Python for the last few months and saw the call for contributors to Kubuntu...so here I am. [23:05] * JontheEchidna is new to pyqt and pykde too [23:06] I'm just glad to be giving back to Linux in some way. [23:07] Yup, and we can't let ubuntu people get away with saying that ubuntu has more polish than kubuntu, now can we? ;P [23:14] kde4 needs a good year of polish [23:15] And then some. :) [23:15] It's getting there, but clunky, clunky, clunky. [23:17] One example: In KDE3.5.9, my GTK+ apps integrated into my desktop. In KDE 4.1 beta 2, the fonts are too big, they use the default GTK+ theme. [23:17] Another: My keyboard shortcuts for switching desktops or moving apps to another desktop keep getting forgotten. [23:18] papabean: Seen gtk-qt-engine? [23:18] Also, custom shortcuts in general got borked in 4.1. :/ [23:19]