[00:00] <Xand3r> dame error
[00:01] <apachelogger> hm
[00:01] <apachelogger> nice
[00:01] <apachelogger> Xand3r: which id
[00:02] <Xand3r>  /bin/sh: id: not found
[00:02] <apachelogger> dpkg -S usr/bin/id
[00:03] <Xand3r> imagemagick: /usr/bin/identify
[00:03] <Xand3r> coreutils: /usr/bin/id
[00:04] <apachelogger> oh boy
[00:04] <apachelogger> Xand3r: file /usr/bin/id
[00:04] <Xand3r> apachelogger: woher soll ich wissen was du willst
[00:05] <Xand3r>  /usr/bin/id: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[00:05] <apachelogger> env
[00:07] <Xand3r> what i have to look for?
[00:07] <apachelogger> paste it
[00:08] <Xand3r> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25099/
[00:09] <apachelogger> ok
[00:09] <apachelogger> that doesn't make any sense
[00:09] <apachelogger> really, none at all
[00:10] <Xand3r> ?
[00:10] <apachelogger> sense = nil
[00:10] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I don't know why sh can't find id anymore
[00:10] <apachelogger> might be magic b0rkage
[00:10] <apachelogger> Xand3r: try relogging in
[00:10] <apachelogger> or rebooting
[00:11] <Xand3r> i know that problem for 3 days
[00:11] <Xand3r> i think i will change nothing with a reboot
[00:11] <apachelogger> cool
[00:11] <apachelogger> something is b0rked
[00:11] <apachelogger> I just don't know what
[00:12] <Xand3r> thats cool
[00:12] <Xand3r> -.-
[00:12]  * apachelogger goes smokin
[00:12] <Xand3r> hf
[00:17] <apachelogger> Xand3r: new though
[00:17] <apachelogger> first
[00:17] <apachelogger> sh
[00:17] <apachelogger> then
[00:17] <apachelogger> which id
[00:17] <apachelogger> then
[00:17] <apachelogger> env
[00:19] <mhb> id is a non standard UNIX tool anyway
[00:19] <mhb> :o)
[00:20] <apachelogger> id is in coreutils, that makes it pretty corish :P
[00:20] <mhb> ah, bs
[00:20] <mhb> apachelogger: it is, but some of the tools there are not in the SUSv2 spec
[00:20] <mhb> but I've mistaken id for another one
[00:20] <mhb> id is there
[00:21] <mhb> stat for example
[00:22] <mhb> my mistake
[00:23] <apachelogger> doesn't matter anyway, debuild fails, that makes it important ;-)
[00:24] <mhb> ah, the lovely life of a packager
[00:24] <apachelogger> :)
[00:25] <mhb> you really should let the machines do that
[00:25] <mhb> AI will never advance if you keep doing all of its work :o)
[00:26] <apachelogger> true, that also leaves more time for qtruby fun
[00:26] <mhb> ruby?
[00:26] <mhb> come on
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> Maybe humanity will never achieve good ai because they're too lazy?
[00:26] <apachelogger> meh
[00:26] <mhb> JontheEchidna: nah
[00:26] <mhb> JontheEchidna: we're not lazy
[00:26] <apachelogger> Oo
[00:26] <apachelogger> can't agree on that
[00:26] <mhb> JontheEchidna: we only sometimes get distracted
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> Have the machines develop the AI for us! :p
[00:27] <mhb> I get an idea for an application every day
[00:27] <mhb> but I can't code them all
[00:27] <mhb> it's not laziness, it's priorities...and also a bit of laziness
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> Yup
[00:28] <apachelogger> well
[00:28] <apachelogger> delegation > work
[00:28] <mhb> apachelogger: still I'd suggest you dropping the less popular nothing-new-bringing language and go with python :o)
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> python ftw
[00:28] <apachelogger> nah nah, ruby ftw
[00:28] <apachelogger> <3 japan :P
[00:29] <Xand3r> sorry was away
[00:29] <Xand3r> what is with sh?
[00:29] <apachelogger> sh-ell
[00:29] <Xand3r> jea
[00:29] <mhb> apachelogger: I bet you have no rational reason for preferring ruby over python
[00:29] <Xand3r> using it
[00:29] <Xand3r> and?
[00:30] <apachelogger> mhb: no, I don't
[00:30] <apachelogger> do I need one?
[00:31] <mhb> apachelogger: if you were a rational programmer, probably yes
[00:31]  * apachelogger is not ever rational
[00:31] <Xand3r> ^^
[00:31] <apachelogger> rationallity is preventing innovation
[00:31] <mhb> unfortunately
[00:31] <Xand3r> so apachelogger tell me what to do?
[00:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I did
[00:32] <mhb> irrationality on several levels is the reason I'm not willing to participate in any KDE development in the foreseeable future
[00:32] <mhb> I'll stick to my rational computer science and math
[00:33] <Xand3r> apachelogger: in such short sentences that  i dont know what to do
[00:34] <Xand3r> gnaa i am so stupid
[00:35] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you austrian!
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> Yummy!
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> Coldcut turkey sandwhich + nacho cheese for chips
[00:36] <Xand3r> apachelogger: _=id
[00:36] <Xand3r> not good or?
[00:37] <apachelogger> Xand3r: from which command?
[00:37] <Xand3r> env
[00:42] <Xand3r> apachelogger my master, what i have to do?
[00:42] <apachelogger> Xand3r: that is all env said?
[00:42] <Xand3r> no
[00:43] <Xand3r> i want the hole env from sh?
[00:43] <apachelogger> aye
[00:43] <Xand3r> you will get it
[00:44] <Xand3r> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25103/
[00:45] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what did - which id say?
[00:46] <Xand3r> $ which id say?
[00:46] <Xand3r> /usr/bin/id
[00:46] <apachelogger> Oo
[00:46] <Xand3r> dont got that this was an command
[00:46] <apachelogger> Xand3r: exit
[00:46] <apachelogger> then try debuild again
[00:47] <Xand3r> error
[00:48] <Xand3r> the same
[00:48] <apachelogger> well
[00:48] <apachelogger> maybe preload is actually causing the b0rkage
[00:48] <apachelogger> Xand3r: get rid of that stupid preloading
[00:49] <Xand3r> hä?
[00:49] <apachelogger> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[00:50] <apachelogger> Xand3r: sudo apt-get purge preload
[00:50] <apachelogger> should do the job
[00:50] <apachelogger> I guess
[00:50] <Xand3r> ok
[00:51] <Xand3r> funny
[00:51] <Xand3r> Package preload is not installed, so not removed
[00:51] <apachelogger> Oo
[00:51] <apachelogger> aye, that ain't good for sure
[00:52] <Xand3r> maybe
[00:52] <Xand3r> slow i hate what my system become
[00:54] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i am right with that we could not fix that to day?
[00:54] <Xand3r> so i would say we stop here, thank you for help
[00:55] <Xand3r> but it is late
[00:55]  * apachelogger already stopped
[00:55] <apachelogger> out of ideas
[00:55] <Xand3r> hmm
[00:55] <Xand3r> a qestion befor going to sleep
[00:56] <Xand3r> on my laptop os now intrepid with kde4.1
[00:56] <Xand3r> emm, it looklike your nightly build
[00:56] <Xand3r> but it isn't or?
[00:58] <Xand3r> apachelogger: gn8
[00:59] <apachelogger> nini
[00:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: is not
[00:59] <apachelogger> btw
[01:00] <Xand3r> ok wie aktuell sind dann die pakete dafür?
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> Heh, not much to language-selector-qt, I guess all the magic happens in the non-gui scripts
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> Oh, that wasn't all of the frontend I was looking at...
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> lewl
[01:21]  * supert0nes is pumped that kde-nightly is updating
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> berb
[04:45] <DaskreecH> Does dbus have anything to do with sound ?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> that depends how tightly you want to define "anything"
[04:47] <DaskreecH> Well Sound is somehow tied to KDE
[04:48] <DaskreecH> I'm trying to figure out what KDE starts that allows me to have sound
[04:48] <Hobbsee> knotify?
[04:48] <DaskreecH> I don't think so
[04:48] <Hobbsee> oh wait, sound at all in kde...
[04:48] <DaskreecH> Hobbsee: Not sound for KDE Sound AT ALL
[04:48] <DaskreecH> Outside of KDE I get squat
[04:48] <Hobbsee> is this intrepid?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> oh, strange.
[04:49] <DaskreecH> No I think it started in Guts
[04:49] <DaskreecH> +y
[04:49] <DaskreecH> but I didn't care about it so much
[04:49] <DaskreecH> Since I've started hopping virtual machines for testing it's really annoying
[04:50] <DaskreecH> I have to start KDM log into KDE
[04:50] <DaskreecH>  kill the session and I have sound everywhere else
[04:50] <DaskreecH> but without that The hills are alive with the sound of squat
[04:50] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:51] <DaskreecH> The only thing I see starting up that kinda flicks a light saying hey that could be it is dbus
[04:53] <DaskreecH> Anyone have any bright ideas as to what would normally give sound from the command line?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> aplay
[04:53] <Hobbsee> (use it on a .wav or something)
[04:59] <DaskreecH> Hobbsee: Oh no not apps I have apps
[04:59] <DaskreecH> that's how I know it doesn't work :) I meant framwaorks or daemons
[05:00] <Hobbsee> oh
[05:02] <DaskreecH> I went through startkde
[05:02] <DaskreecH> Nothing in there sounds like it would fit
[05:02] <DaskreecH> I just know that if I start playing something from the command line I have nothing
[05:03] <DaskreecH> While it's playing log into KDE and it picks up sound
[05:03] <DaskreecH> kill the session and it keeps the sound
[05:45] <vorian> hmm, seem i lost compositing on the latest update
[06:43] <yuriy> txwikinger: ?
[10:25] <apachelogger> vorian: kio-ftps revued
[10:27] <eagles0513875> morning
[10:27] <\sh> moins
[10:28] <\sh> apachelogger: didn't you want to go on holidays? ;)
[10:28] <apachelogger> I did :S
[10:29] <\sh> apachelogger: ah so revuing and pushing new crack is holiday? ;)
[10:29]  * apachelogger needs to plan the travel 
[10:29] <apachelogger> but I have traveling
[10:29] <apachelogger> \sh: better than bug triage, right? ;-)
[10:29] <\sh> apachelogger: start coding on leonov :) that's fun ;)
[10:30] <apachelogger> \sh: apachelogger's release script is more fun
[10:30]  * eagles0513875 need to find a place to start coding php c++ python
[10:30] <apachelogger> + it's ruby :P
[10:30]  * eagles0513875 so many languages dunno where to start
[10:30] <apachelogger> \sh: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot035.png
[10:30] <\sh> eagles0513875: p...p...p....python ;)
[10:30] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:30] <eagles0513875> isnt c++ a good place as well
[10:31] <\sh> apachelogger: wow
[10:31] <eagles0513875> at least in regards to bug fixing
[10:31] <\sh> eagles0513875: sure ... but python you are more successful in less time :)
[10:31] <apachelogger> well
[10:31] <apachelogger> for a reason
[10:31] <apachelogger> c++ is awfulish
[10:31] <apachelogger> the syntax is
[10:31] <apachelogger> and all the brackets
[10:31] <apachelogger> and the compiling
[10:31] <eagles0513875> \sh: didnt know that
[10:31] <apachelogger> oh boy, the compiling freaks me out
[10:31] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: been there done that with java
[10:31] <apachelogger> java > c++
[10:32] <apachelogger> python > java
[10:32] <apachelogger> ruby > python
[10:32] <apachelogger> my opinion
[10:33] <eagles0513875> right in all honesty i dont have time to sit down and learn these things cuz i am working on my linux lpi jr lvl certification
[10:33] <\sh> apachelogger: lol
[10:33] <\sh> eagles0513875: why don't you say LPIC-1
[10:33] <\sh> which can be done in less then one hour
[10:33] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:34] <apachelogger> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Eureka+Web+Browser?content=84590
[10:34] <apachelogger> omg
[10:34] <apachelogger> we have a browser flood :S
[10:34] <eagles0513875> i have tried that in other places and people have know idea what lpi is
[10:34] <apachelogger> there is konqueror, there is that qt demo browser, there is the enhancement of the qt demobrowser - arora, there is foxkit, there is eureka
[10:34] <apachelogger> even I have my own browser
[10:34] <apachelogger> somewhere
[10:34] <eagles0513875> what you worried about its version .1
[10:35] <eagles0513875> there is firefox3 and opera too
[10:35] <apachelogger> firefox3 is no browser
[10:35] <apachelogger> opera is, but it's not free
[10:35] <apachelogger> which makes it quite uncomparable anyway
[10:35] <eagles0513875> the gui though  for it is in dire need of development
[10:35] <apachelogger> the thing with all the qt based browser is ... they all use webkit :P
[10:36] <eagles0513875> im actually trying to dev a java based irc client for my webhosting company to use on their website
[10:38]  * eagles0513875 wonders why room went silent is it because i said the word java
[10:38] <apachelogger> yes
[10:38] <apachelogger> in combination with website
[10:38] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:39] <eagles0513875> whats so bad bout what i said
[10:39] <apachelogger> I don't know
[10:39] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:40] <supert0nes> java==most verbose language ever
[10:40] <eagles0513875> if its used in relation to a website whats so bad about it. its more of a support irc for my webhosting that hosts my website
[10:41] <supert0nes> nothing wrong with java
[10:41] <supert0nes> it just takes a lot of code to make something
[10:41] <apachelogger> ajax irc clients > java irc clients
[10:41] <eagles0513875> thing is java is the only thing i know right now since i had to take the basics of java class for my degree
[10:42] <eagles0513875> not this coming yr but yr after have to learn all the advanced features of it
[10:42] <eagles0513875> like gui's and all that so basically im trying to get a jump on things
[10:45] <\sh> eagles0513875: read the o'reilly head first books on java and design patterns...no need to study for that...get out of the house and earn money and help the society ;)
[10:45] <eagles0513875> \sh: already am
[10:45] <eagles0513875> making money that is
[10:45] <eagles0513875> got an IT internship at my college
[10:45] <\sh> so read the head first books
[10:45] <\sh> moins allee
[10:46] <eagles0513875> j/w are there alot of bugs out on hardy right now bugs on packages
[10:46] <allee> \sh moin moin
[10:46]  * apachelogger dances through the channel
[10:47]  * eagles0513875 goes to launchpad
[10:48] <eagles0513875> !lanuchpad
[10:48] <eagles0513875> !info lanuchpad
[10:48] <eagles0513875> !launchpad
[10:48] <apachelogger> and closed source
[10:49] <eagles0513875> ?
[10:49] <allee> eagles0513875: launchpad itself is closed source
[10:50] <apachelogger> aight
[10:50] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[10:50] <eagles0513875> wasnt it developed by canonical
[10:50] <apachelogger> vorian: please get an revu adin and ask him to nuke bluetrash
[10:50] <apachelogger> otherwise it might take some time
[10:51] <apachelogger> vorian: you noticed that http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=trash is a debian package? :P
[10:56] <eagles0513875> if i want to use kubuntu as the basis for my own distro and i give it a new name is that ok
[10:57] <eagles0513875> or would i have to get special permission to do that
[10:57] <apachelogger> Oo
[10:58] <apachelogger> it's open source
[10:58] <apachelogger> how are we gonna stop you :P
[10:59] <eagles0513875> would i have to get permission if i wanted to use the same name
[11:00] <eagles0513875> call it kubuntu cluster edition lol
[11:02] <apachelogger> yes
[11:02] <apachelogger> from canonical
[11:02] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:02] <eagles0513875> how would one go about doing that
[11:02] <apachelogger> ask the google
[11:04] <eagles0513875> or go to cannonical website
[11:08] <apachelogger> mhb: so what is a rational reason to prefer python over ruby?
[11:09] <Jucato> eagles0513875: or the ubuntu marketing mailing list
[11:10] <eagles0513875> Jucato: where can i find that
[11:10] <apachelogger> google
[11:10]  * apachelogger goes lunching
[11:11] <Jucato> trademarks@ubuntu.com perhaps
[11:12] <gnomefreak> what sound server does kubuntu use?
[11:12] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: you use ubuntu for server since its all command line
[11:13] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: i knwo what im using but kubuntu doesnt use pulse audio what does it use?
[11:13] <Jucato> gnomefreak: KDE 3 = still aRts
[11:13] <gnomefreak> Jucato: and 4?
[11:13] <Jucato> KDE 4 = phonon (xine)
[11:13] <gnomefreak> thanks
[11:14] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: sry misread ur question
[11:14]  * eagles0513875 sews lips shut
[11:14] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: no problem
[11:15] <gnomefreak> im looking for a way to backport flash 10 without using libflashsupport and kde is really making this hard since im sure kde users would rather not change arts
[11:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: FYI https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/245522
[11:58] <apachelogger> ha!
[11:58] <apachelogger> I guess that explains the error Riddell was talking about :D
[11:58] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:00]  * Nightrose notes that the new launchpad navigation feels strange
[12:01]  * apachelogger loves it
[12:01] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:01] <Nightrose> ok
[12:16] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: ubuntu has a trademarks page
[12:17] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[12:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot036.png
[12:43] <apachelogger> rubyqt is the sweetest
[12:43]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger 
[12:43] <Nightrose> nice :)
[14:41] <gnomefreak> um is kstartupconfig4 broken?
[14:43] <gnomefreak> it also seems that kde4 doesnt respect update-alternatives for usplash-artwork.so changing it from kde to gnome
[14:45] <gnomefreak> also is it me or did kubuntu-kde4-desktop change to kubuntu-desktop?
[15:51] <Xand3r> hey!
[15:52] <Xand3r> what is the best section for a theme? for a kwin theme? kde, misc?
[15:53] <yuriy> Xand3r: is there an artwork section?
[15:54] <yuriy> look up what current ones are in
[15:54] <Xand3r> yuriy: good idea
[16:37] <Xand3r> new version http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4
[16:38] <Xand3r> away, have some fun in the sun
[18:27] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I'm looking at Bug #236996.  Do we need to backport python-qt4 too?
[19:30] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: You around?
[19:31] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: Would you please have a look at Bug #193567 and see if there's a reasonable solution to make gutsy-backports work?
[19:32] <ScottK-laptop> It looks to me like the kdebase-runtime package is missing stuff, but I didn't do enough with the KDE4 stuff to know how to fix it.
[19:57] <nosrednaekim> hey guys
[20:25] <ScottK> nixternal: Bug #187298 could use a look too.
[20:49] <Xand3r> thx apachelogger for the kde update
[20:55] <vorian> arrgh, fresh install of the nightly build gives me the startup error 'could not start kstartupconfig4. Check your installation'
[21:00] <Xand3r> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal droped the "kde4"and done the other things, pleas recheck it, thx
[21:14] <jjesse> happy saturday
[21:15] <vorian> howdy jjesse
[21:15] <jjesse> hello vorian
[21:15] <vorian> time to shoot of some 5th of july fireworks!
[21:15] <jjesse> yay
[21:15] <vorian> :)
[21:49] <mouz> apachelogger: i'm packaging stjerm, a terminal emulator which starts invisible by default. The user needs to press an accelerator key to display the terminal. I wonder whether I should leave out the .desktop file. Otherwise: user clicks icon and nothing seems to happen. An alternative is that I include NoDisplay=true. Other alternative: patch code to make it visible by default.
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: In regards to http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2560, what did you mean in comment 7?
[22:02] <papabean> JontheEchidna: Does jockey have options with arguments?
[22:02] <papabean> Or just options?
[22:02]  * JontheEchidna doesn't recall offhand
[22:03] <papabean> Just curious because language-selector has a required option and an argument.  A bit of a pickle parsing the C class documentation to get the arguments passed properly.
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> It might check for rootness
[22:03] <papabean> But I've made great headway.
[22:03] <papabean> Thankfully the check for rootness is done by the sys module, so that piece of code still works.
[22:04] <papabean> But PyKDE uses its own handling of commandline arguments, so sys.argv ends up empty.
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> The only command line args it takes is for the new aboutdata
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> and of course sys.argv
[22:04] <papabean> Right, but when KCmdLineArgs gets sys.argv, sys.argv ends up empty.
[22:05] <papabean> So, you have to use PyKDE4's mechanism for parsing arguments.
[22:05] <papabean> Sadly, the documentation isn't really clear.
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> Yeah...
[22:05] <papabean> S'okay.  Figured out how to have the required option plus parse its argument.
[22:05] <papabean> Now it's getting the argument to pass to the next module in language-selector's chain.
[22:06] <papabean> And that keyboard problem was making it hard to type code.  :)
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> My Qt Designer is broken with the latest Hardy python-kde4 packages, do you experience the same problem?
[22:06] <papabean> Not using Designer yet, because I'm not creating from scratch.
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> Ah, right
[22:07]  * JontheEchidna wanted to add a button to the gui to activate the spiffy free about dialog we get
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> But the pykde4 plugins make it segfault. :(
[22:08] <papabean> Could still be done via the direct code:  http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ - all of these tutorials use only the code and not Designer.
[22:09] <papabean> Compare the code there with PyKDE docs and you might be able to add it.
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, I could do it with the code but the rest of the ui is already set up in a ui file
[22:09] <papabean> Gotcha.
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> and it probably isn't a good idea to scatter ui setup between the ui file and the main file
[22:09]  * papabean agrees.
[22:10]  * JontheEchidna is away to eat
[22:12] <papabean> Is Riddell around?
[22:13] <papabean> Looks like I got the argument passing to work in qt-language-selector to work properly.
[22:13] <papabean> Time to go back to getting the app to respect the user's KDE4 style.  Wondering if I should push these changes?
[22:15] <papabean> Guess it can't hurt.  Changes don't committed until someone else reviews, correct?
[22:21]  * JontheEchidna is back
[22:21]  * JontheEchidna is also new to bzr
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> papabean: Does language selector run as root too?
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> 'cuz this is also a problem with any kde or gtk app run as root atm
[22:25] <papabean> It runs as root.
[22:26] <papabean> If you don't run it as root, you get the appropriate warning, however.
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> atm root-running apps use root's default theme
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> which is basically the kubuntu defaults afaik
[22:28]  * JontheEchidna thinks changes to other kubuntu/kde components are necessary to fix the problem
[22:31] <papabean> Riddell had asked me to start getting one of the files to use the KDE4 icon mechanism instead of Qt.
[22:31] <papabean> This is what led to me having to decipher the C++ class documentation to get the launcher script to parse command-line options with arguments.
[22:32] <papabean> I'm guessing the thought is that using the KDE4 mechanism, it would recognize the user that called for admin privileges and use THEIR theme, instead.
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> That doesn't seem to be the case even with C++ official apps.
[22:33]  * JontheEchidna notices the different fonts every time he opens dolphin as admin
[22:36] <papabean> Yeah.  and qt-language-selector checks to see if you're user 0 which means it doesn't distinguish between a request for privileges vs. root user.
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> Ah
[22:36] <papabean> Ok...Now to go back to changing the icon mechanism in the other part of language-selector.
[22:37]  * JontheEchidna notices that jockey populates a QLabel with a QIcon, and that you can't populate a QLabel with a KIcon
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> now to think of clever hax
[22:37] <papabean> That's kinda where I am with this one.
[22:37] <papabean> The main app creates a Qwidget instance.
[22:38] <papabean> And then the icons are all set with QIcon.
[22:38] <papabean> I'm trying to see what the corresponding "KWidget" would be, but the pyKDE4 docs need help.
[22:39] <papabean> The class reference is a reference auto-generated from the C++ class code.
[22:39] <papabean> Which makes it tricky to convert to Python.
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, I noticed.
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> The PyQt ones are a bit better about that.
[22:39] <papabean> I'm happy, though.  I was able to decipher "QString anotherOptionArg = args->getOption("another-option");"
[22:40] <papabean> And the crazy options.add() docs to find out how to include arguments to options.
[22:53] <papabean> Now, looking at the LanguageSelector/qt/QtLanguageSelector.py file, it won't run as is now that it's been changed to a KApplication.
[22:54] <papabean> It won't run as is if called by itself.  When called from the launcher script, it works fine.
[22:54] <papabean> Because __main__ isn't called.
[22:58] <papabean> Ok.  Cut and paste from the launcher script.  Checks for the same options and runs fine.
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> Heh, it feels weird playing around with software someone else made...
[23:01] <papabean> Isn't that the nature of OSS, though?
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, but all I've done before is make my own little pyqt apps here and there.
[23:04] <papabean> I've not even done that.  :)
[23:04] <papabean> Most of my experience has been shell scripts for work.
[23:05] <papabean> But I've been dabbling in Python for the last few months and saw the call for contributors to Kubuntu...so here I am.
[23:05]  * JontheEchidna is new to pyqt and pykde too
[23:06] <papabean> I'm just glad to be giving back to Linux in some way.
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> Yup, and we can't let ubuntu people get away with saying that ubuntu has more polish than kubuntu, now can we? ;P
[23:14] <supert0nes> kde4 needs a good year of polish
[23:15] <papabean> And then some.  :)
[23:15] <papabean> It's getting there, but clunky, clunky, clunky.
[23:17] <papabean> One example:  In KDE3.5.9, my GTK+ apps integrated into my desktop.  In KDE 4.1 beta 2, the fonts are too big, they use the default GTK+ theme.
[23:17] <papabean> Another:  My keyboard shortcuts for switching desktops or moving apps to another desktop keep getting forgotten.
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> papabean: Seen gtk-qt-engine?
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> Also, custom shortcuts in general got borked in 4.1. :/
[23:19] <papabean> gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is already the latest version.  ;)
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> lol ;)
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> Humph, seems KIcon doesn't like absolute paths...
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> not very useful to use as a fallback...
[23:20] <papabean> But KDE4 is the future of Kubuntu, so I'll use it.
[23:21] <papabean> I've also noticed that desktop-effects (compiz) is HORRIBLE under KDE (3 & 4).
[23:21] <papabean> And it appears to be a default setting for KDE 4.1
[23:21] <papabean> On appears to be.
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> KDE4 uses its own KWin effects
[23:21] <papabean> Really?
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> Yup yup
[23:22] <papabean> Real f'ing slow.
[23:22] <papabean> :)
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> What type of videocard do you have?
[23:22] <papabean> NVidia Geforce FX 5200 Ultra
[23:22] <papabean> 128MB card
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> NVidia Geforce 4 MX 440
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> 64 MB card
[23:23] <papabean> But Gnome+Compiz is snappy and responsive when changing desktops, etc.
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I noticed that
[23:23] <papabean> Kwin w/Desktop Effects is slow.
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> but wobbly windows and funnily enough coverswitch work decently
[23:32] <klerfayt> will you guys put some effort into integrating kde3 applications looks with kde4 in Intrepid?
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> We already use a theme that looks somewhat like Oxygen in Hardy
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> Well, the scrollbars aren't blue or anything...
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> Theme stuff isn't really my area so I'm not an expert or anyting on it
[23:38] <papabean_> Anyone know how to bump your zombie nick from IRC?
[23:39] <stdin> !ghost
[23:41] <papabean_> Danke, stdin.
[23:44] <vorian> ghost ftw
[23:46] <papabean> !hostmask
[23:47] <vorian> papabean: would you like a unaffiliated cloak?
[23:47] <papabean> vorian: Yes, please.
[23:47] <vorian> done
[23:47] <papabean> Will that happen automatically from now on?
[23:47] <vorian> as long as you identify with services first, yes
[23:47] <jussi01> vorian: excellent service :D
[23:47] <vorian> :)
[23:48] <papabean> I second that.
[23:49] <vorian> you had everyting all ready set, so koodo's to you! :)
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> bzr error, halp: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25287/
[23:50]  * JontheEchidna can't push his commit
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> Oh, forgot to register the ssh key, lolz
[23:52] <vorian> ;o
[23:52] <vorian> bah
[23:54] <stdin> JontheEchidna: btw, you can't push to lp: URLs, even though it says you can on the page
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> Oh, maybe that was it, because I had published my key to LP before
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> nvm that was pgp
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> too many damn keys!
[23:55] <stdin> try using bzr+ssh://you@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/jockey/jockey-kde/
[23:55] <stdin> replacing "you" of course