[03:14] <tomd123> I was happy when I thought that everything was working or at least was in a partially working condition, but then I found out the segfault in blender which won't allow me to open it :(
[04:48] <G_009> no proprietary driver in use
[10:13] <ripps> Is intrepid going to restore "Removable Devices and Media" it's supposed to be like in Gutsy?
[10:52] <gnomefreak> ripps: where was it found in gutsy?
[10:52] <gnomefreak> in places menu?
[10:59] <ripps> gnomefreak: The multimedia tab is gone in Hardy. Making impossible to set a custom application for DVD's and MP3 players
[11:00] <gnomefreak> ripps: once again where is this tab you are talking about
[11:00] <gnomefreak> ripps: nautilus?
[11:00] <ripps> System->Preferences->Removable Devices and Media->Multimedia
[11:01] <ripps> Nautilus preferences don't allow to change the application, just if you want it to autostart or not.
[11:01] <gnomefreak> no it wont have it
[11:01] <ripps> Seems like something really REALLY stupid to take out.
[11:03] <gnomefreak> ripps: unless they add it to gnome but as i recall gnome removed it
[11:03] <gnomefreak> removed == moved it
[11:03] <ripps> Why would they do that?
[11:03] <gnomefreak> multimedia isnt hardware anyway. ripps you would have to ask them
[11:04] <gnomefreak> media in that is cd roms as i recall
[11:05] <ripps> Well, it's not really "Removable Drives" anymore, it's just removable hardware.
[11:05] <ripps> Poorly named now
[11:05] <gnomefreak> no its still removalbe drives
[11:06] <ripps> But it only Cameras, PDAs and peripherals. None of which I really consider "Drives" (except the cameras, kinda)
[11:07] <gnomefreak> drives == hardware drivers == software
[11:07] <ripps> Well, yeah, technically...
[11:08] <ripps> But to the end user, I think Removable Drives mean are used more for storage than misc. hardware.
 Nautilus preferences don't allow to change the application, just if you want it to autostart or not.
[11:08] <ripps> pheeror: yes, I'm aware of that
[11:08] <pheeror> my nautilus allows it
[11:09] <ripps> pheeror: what? other applications?
[11:09] <pheeror> nautilus->preferecences->media and for each type I can set what to do
[11:09] <ripps> pheeror: I only have rhythmbox
[11:10] <pheeror> ok, I suppose the application must register themself somewhere ;-)
[11:11] <ripps> pheeror: I hear banshee does, but most other applications don't, like Amarok.
[11:11] <pheeror> yeah, you see
[11:11] <pheeror> because amarok doesn't follow gnome conventions, no surprise
[11:12] <pheeror> there should be some cross-de standard, sure, but there isn't (-:
[11:12] <pheeror> so you are forced to dig into gconf-editor, sad
[11:13] <ripps> That shouldn't matter, in my opinion. I'm allowed to setup a custom browser and email client in Preferred Applications. So why can't I choose what program to use with my MP3 player?
[11:13] <pheeror> because of gnome :-)
[11:14] <ripps> Actually, that's exactly where they should but the options if they add them back
[11:14] <molgrum> still no nvidia drivers?
[11:14] <pheeror> I'm afraid it's part of gnome HID to purposely omit such options :-(
[11:15] <ripps> I don't understand, why remove useful features? If your gonna take something out, replace it something better. This was definately a step back
[11:15] <pheeror> but as long as they aren't freedesktop standards followed by major "players" it's not that wise imo
[11:15] <pheeror> i ain't gnome dev
[11:16] <ripps> Yeah, anybody know where I can find a Gnome dev to chew out?
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ripps: see #gnome
[11:16] <ripps> Thanks gnomefreak
[11:16] <gnomefreak> or check thier website for correct channel on correct server but IIRC its freenode #gnome
[11:17] <gnomefreak> they can point you  to devel but remember its a weekend and a holidy one at that for US
[11:17] <pheeror> but please search their bugzilla first
[11:17] <gnomefreak> pheeror: i havent see a post about it yet
[11:18] <gnomefreak> i check weekly but since i havent been on for more than 2 hours here and there i didnt have time to
[11:58] <cps1966> !nvidia
[12:41] <askand> is it safe to install inrepid on an own partition?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> ish
[12:44] <RAOF> askand: It's unlikely to go rampaging all over your partitions, but it's not totally impossible.
[12:47] <gnomefreak> RAOF: do you hav e acommand that will test sound in speakers by chance?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> have a command even
[12:51] <askand> RAOF: ok, ill skip that then, thanks
[12:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: aplay?
[12:53] <gnomefreak> aplay alone plays nothing should i add a file to that?
[12:54] <pheeror> paplay ?
[12:54] <pheeror> yeah
[12:55] <pheeror> for oss: 'cat file > /dev/dsp' for alsa 'aplay file' for pulseaudio 'paplay file'
[12:55] <gnomefreak> ok as long as i use alsa it works but changing default output to PA it doesnt work
[12:55] <gnomefreak> pheeror: i found the gui way :)
[12:56] <pheeror> sys -> pref -> sound, sure
[12:56] <pheeror> pavucontrol rocks too
[12:56] <gnomefreak> system preference multimedia systems selector
[12:56] <gnomefreak> selecter
[12:57] <gnomefreak> neither look right oh well you get it
[12:57] <pheeror> yeah, gstreamer-properties ;-)
[12:58] <pheeror> it maybe doesn't work because your hw doesn's support hw multiplexing (is it call like that?) and pulseaudio is bound to the only one support "channel"
[12:59] <pheeror> you can look at the ouput of aplay -l ... how many subdevices are listed
[12:59] <gnomefreak> pheeror: it worked before in intrepid and in hardy atleast than i knew i was using PA but i cant remember the commands i needed
[13:00] <pheeror> oh see, you have an opposite problem
[13:00] <gnomefreak> too many sections one has 32 and 1 has 8
[13:01] <pheeror> haven't you hibernated recently ?
[13:01] <pheeror> because hibernation screw up my pulseaudio in the same way - it doesn't produce any sound anymore
[13:02] <gnomefreak> pheeror: this isnt a laptop so no i havent just reboot shutdown
[13:03]  * gnomefreak guessing amarok2 is still broken
[13:06] <pheeror> you can run padevchooser (gtk app that sits in systray) and try setting various options in combination with paplay ...
[13:06] <gnomefreak> hmmm seems there are alot of broken kde4 packages still that need to be respun
[13:06] <pheeror> but paplay needs PCM file as input - doesn't accept anything like aplay
[13:24] <pen> how do I enable hal support for xorg-server?
[15:12] <molgrum> hey i notice a new kernel update, is there nvidia-drivers there?
[15:18] <molgrum> nope :(
[15:39] <ryanpg> others experiencing the "white screen of death" with compiz and intel gm965 chipset? I'm fairly certain it's a bug and not my config
[15:42] <ryanpg> I'm guessing due to GEM being *partially* merged and non-functional? as running compiz produces some interesting errors like "Failed to initialize TTM buffer manager." and "No GLXFBConfig for depth 32"
[15:48] <ryanpg> and this lovely jewel from my Xorg.0.log "(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_tls_Context)
[15:48] <ryanpg> (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[15:48] <ryanpg> "
[15:48] <ryanpg> ok... ok... calm down everybody, let's not all type at once... :P
[15:49] <ryanpg> I guess I'll just wait till the intel driver syncs up with the mesa/drm/xorg stuff
[17:29] <molgrum> want nvidia-drivers... :(
[17:57] <jandem> more people get kernel panics with -3 kernel and virtualbox?
[17:58] <jandem> with 2.6.26-2 it failed sometimes but not always
[18:53] <geek_inn2> quite surprised With APPLE'S 300+ features in mac os x
[18:53] <geek_inn2> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html#system
[18:53] <geek_inn2> still not finished reading
[19:48] <afallenhope> Hey! if had something installed but removed it... can I remove it from the /etc/init.d/ ?
[19:48] <afallenhope> it's not installed.
[19:49] <afallenhope> anyone?
[19:54] <Legolas> I found a grave bug but don't have an idea on which source package I have to report it...
[19:54] <Legolas> After the KDE loading screen the session starts... blackish
[19:54] <Legolas> also self compiled KDE
[19:55] <Legolas> (where blackish means everything is black, but you can see the shades of screens)
[20:14] <geek_inn2> quacked
[20:39] <geek_inn2> after the new release of 8.04.1
[20:39] <geek_inn2> did devel shifted focus 2 ibex
[20:39] <geek_inn2> alpha2
[21:07] <farion> Hello, I'm playing around with intrepid - is there a way to install the nvidia-driver?
[21:08] <afflux> farion: currently not, if I remember correctly. They are working on it (splitting it up from the LRM package and creating a dkms package).
[21:09] <farion> is that caused by the new xserver?
[21:13] <kristjan_> farion: where is. let me find a howto
[21:15] <kristjan_> farion: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=833633
[21:16] <farion> I tried that already, but if i try to load the module with "modprobe nvidia", it says: "FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia"
[21:17] <kristjan_> farion: it's old, but worked for me
[21:17] <kristjan_> farion: I'm not in intrepid right now, maybe there were updates, and you can't install it this way anymore
[21:17] <kristjan_> farion: did you install patch?
[21:18] <kristjan_> farion: I also removed linux-restricted-modules nvidia-glx-new
[21:18] <farion> yes, and the patch works fine
[21:20] <klerfayt> farion: well I could reboot into intrepid and see if I it's still working
[21:21]  * klerfayt loves intrepid fast boot time
[21:21] <farion> i think the nvidia module, it tried to load is not the one i installed
[21:21] <klerfayt> farion: did you remove restricted modules package?
[21:21] <farion> it was not installed
[21:22] <klerfayt> farion: did the installer finish without errors?
[21:22] <farion> yes
[21:23] <farion> after removing nvidia-glx-new, i was able to do "modprobe nvidia"
[21:23] <farion> but startx says: Failed to load module "nvidia"
[21:23] <klerfayt> farion: only other thing I did differently - created /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common file <-- and added --> DISABLED_MODULES="nv nvidia_new"
[21:24] <klerfayt> farion: why did you modprobe it? I usually just run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"
[21:24] <farion> i want to see if it loads correctly
[21:25] <klerfayt> farion: did you "cat /var/log/Xorg.log" to see what's the error?
[21:26] <farion> the output of startx
[21:28] <klerfayt> farion: fine I'll curios now myself. I'll reboot into intrepid.
[21:28] <farion> okay thank you :)
[21:28] <klerfayt> *I am* d'oh
[21:44] <klerfayt> farion: well, where were some updates, but nvidia drivers still worked after reboot, didn't test opengl though
[21:45] <farion> k, thank you
[21:45] <klerfayt> farion: do you have some weird options there "usefb" in xorg.conf?
[21:45] <farion> no
[21:46] <farion> twiview and AddARGBGLXVisuals, but these are nvidia features
[21:46] <klerfayt> farion: next time look into /var/log/Xorg.0.log after startx fails, maybe you get the exact error
[21:48] <farion> it does not say a lot: Warning, couldn't open module nvidia
[21:49] <klerfayt> farion: did you try DISABLED_MODULES="nv nvidia_new" into the file /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common? although I doubt it makes any difference
[21:49] <farion> yes i tried, but it does not matter
[21:51] <farion> okay, i will do more test tomorrow. thank you for your help
[21:51] <klerfayt> farion: btw nvidia glx package from ubuntu repo doesn't work also last time I checked
[21:51] <farion> yes, i tried the packages already
[21:52] <farion> bye
[22:41] <afflux> hi. I seem to need some help. My system seems kind of broken. I can't log in with my normal user, neither in X nor in a VT (it says: could not cd to /home/$USER). I'm in the single user mode now, and I have some weird symptoms
[22:42] <afflux> running any sudo command leads to "can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied"
[22:42] <afflux> while I still can open it with vim
[22:43] <afflux> loggin in to my usual account (su k, where k is my user account) leads to "Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied"
[22:44] <tomd123> afflux: type "su" enter. log in as root.. vim /etc/sudoers
[22:44] <afflux> tomd, I am root (single user mode, recovery mode), I can read the sudoers file but sudo complains about it.
[22:44] <tomd123> ok
[22:45] <tomd123> find the line that says root   ALL=(ALL) ALL
[22:46] <tomd123> and add a line that says the same thing as the last right underneath it, just instead of root, your username
[22:46] <tomd123> you could just add yourself to the admin group also
[22:46] <afflux> tomd123: err... the problem is not that my user can't run sudo. he is in the admin group.
[22:47] <tomd123> oh
[22:48] <afflux> tomd123: I am root. 'id' says: uid=0(root). But neither logging in to my user using "su $username" nor "sudo su $username" works.
[22:48] <afflux> actually, running any sudo command leads to the permission denied on the sudoers file.
[22:48] <tomd123> while in root?
[22:49] <afflux> yes
[22:51] <tomd123> dunno then, searching on ubuntu forums could lead up to something, although this is alpha1 :) I have a ton of bugs, with strlen is not defined within the namespace error while compiling a vanilla fluxbox :) I think I'm gonna go back to 8.04 or debian until alpha2
[22:53] <afflux> tomd123: yeah, I know that ;) I'm on intrepid since quite some time, actually. I'm usually able to debug some things but this is really weird.
[22:53] <afflux> thanks for your help though
[22:53] <tomd123> afflux: yup, cya in alpha 2 :)
[22:53] <afflux> hehe
[23:06] <Amaranth> afflux: what is the error?
[23:07] <afflux> Amaranth: 'permission denied' on virtually everything, though the permissions are correct.
[23:07] <Amaranth> hrm
[23:07] <Amaranth> try booting the 2.6.24 kernel from hardy
[23:09] <afflux> argh, stupid me. I removed it recentlz. Will install it in a minute. (btw., the .26 kernel worked well for a couple of weeks)
[23:10] <Amaranth> i dunno, i was hoping I could blame apparmor
[23:11] <afflux> yup, will check that
[23:24] <afflux> Amaranth: humm, .24 does not change anything
[23:24] <Amaranth> what is the exact error you get?
[23:26] <afflux> Amaranth: http://pastebin.ca/1063307
[23:26] <Amaranth> can you pastebin dmesg too?
[23:27] <afflux> Amaranth: http://pastebin.com/f461e6616
[23:27] <Amaranth> you have a floppy drive?
[23:28] <afflux> nope
[23:28] <afflux> not sure where /dev/fd0 comes from, though
[23:28] <Amaranth> odd errors at the end there
[23:28] <Amaranth> mount | grep /dev/fd0
[23:29] <afflux> returns nothing
[23:33] <Amaranth> weird
[23:33] <Amaranth> Well, I'm out of ideas
[23:33] <Amaranth> I had similar errors when my HD was dying but I got dmesg output about the errors
[23:34] <afflux> uh.