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greg-gwith 10 minutes to go, anyone here coming to the How to Run a Bug Jam session?19:49
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rick_h_no <3 for greg-g  :(19:53
greg-gguess not :)19:53
greg-g3 minutes till go time19:57
pep"08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board" is twice in the topic by the way.. :)19:57
greg-gpopey: see above comment by pep19:59
greg-gthanks pep19:59
pepnp :)19:59
pepI'm already in the channel for the ubuntu-marketing meeting later tonight... I thought it might be interesting on the bugjam too20:00
greg-gcool, welcome20:00
greg-gwell, it is time!20:00
pepbut I won't make the bugjam though as I have exams, so it's not a real participation :)20:00
greg-gHello everyone!  Welcome to the second session of "How to Run a Bug Jam"20:00
greg-gmy name is Greg Grossmeier and the leader of the Michigan (US) LoCo Team20:00
greg-ghow many people are here for the session?20:01
greg-graise your hands -   o/20:01
* cactaur raises20:02
Flannel\o/20:02
greg-ghello cactaur and Flannel representing California20:02
greg-gwell, if there is no one else we should get started20:02
greg-gthis is the main page we're going to use for coordinating the jam - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam20:03
greg-gand this page is what we're going to discuss today  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam/Prep20:03
greg-gso, first thing first to remember is..20:04
greg-git doesn't matter how many bugs are triaged or how many people showed up, all that matters is that people have a good time20:04
greg-gthat is what gets people participating20:04
greg-gso you should measure success by how good a time people had, and how you take notes to make things better next time, etc.20:05
greg-gSo, venues..20:05
greg-gYou need some place that has power, internet, and places to sit for everyone that is going to show up (obviously)20:05
greg-gbut, it also needs to be conducive to listening to one person talking for a little bit and asking questions20:05
greg-gsome good places are offices of Open Source Friendly businesses or even Library conference rooms (where Michigan had ours) or College/University rooms20:06
greg-gso really, anywhere that is comfortable and conducive to group work.20:06
greg-g(so many not a classroom if some people are afraid/scared from them ;) )20:06
greg-gany questions on venues? or other suggestions before we move on?20:07
cactaurShould the venues be places visible to others?20:07
cactaurLike, where people might get interested in Ubuntu?20:07
greg-gcactaur: they don't have to be, but they of course can be20:07
greg-gyou of course want your advertising for the event to be in public places to get outside interest20:08
greg-gand promotion is the next topic :)20:08
greg-gmost of the get togethers for the michigan team have been more "private" than public, except for our release parties at pubs20:08
greg-gfor example our packaging jam was at someone's house and our bug jams have been at either college classrooms or library conference rooms20:09
greg-gbut that is just one way of doing it20:09
greg-gany other questions on venues?20:09
cactaurnah, that's good for me.20:10
greg-gcool20:10
greg-gso the biggest thing to help with promotion is to ensure that your loco is on the wiki page20:10
greg-gsince we'll be blogging/twittering, and generally pointing people to that page20:10
greg-galso, your local team mailing list20:10
greg-gand your local lug(s) mailing list(s) is another place where you might want to send a mail20:10
greg-glots of LoCo people are also local LUG people so with that overlap it's easy to get the word out20:11
greg-gother places to get the word out include local computer stores and shows20:11
greg-glike, before they went out of business, our local CompUSA had a bulletin board where people could post stuff20:11
greg-gand in general, blogging about it on planet ubuntu, your blog, twitter, etc. etc. is a good way to promote it20:11
greg-goh, your local area in the ubuntu forums if you have one20:11
greg-gany other ideas for promotion techniques?20:12
greg-gone idea from the last "howto" I ran was to get the local newspaper/magazine/radio station to help promote20:12
greg-ghave them come and cover the event and just ask that they mention it a few times before it happens to promote it20:13
greg-gI've never done that personally, but it seems like it could work well20:13
greg-gwe (the michigan team) are going to try and do it for the GBJ and see how it goes20:13
greg-ganything else for Promotion before we get to the "Pre-Bug Jam Checklist of Awesome"?20:14
* greg-g waits as copy/pasting is fast :)20:15
greg-gok..20:15
greg-gChecklist of Awesome:20:15
* cactaur has nothign.20:15
greg-gChecklist of Awesome:20:15
greg-gwhoops20:15
greg-gFirst thing that is critical on the Checklist of Awesome is: ensuring everyone has a Launchpad Account20:15
greg-gwithout that, the participants can't make any bugs better themselves20:15
greg-gChecklist of Awesome number 2: 5-a-day preparedness20:16
greg-gdoes everyone know what 5-a-day is?20:16
cactaur5 bugs a day?20:16
greg-gyep20:16
greg-g5-a-day is a way to have the amount of work you are doing on bugs to be recorded.  but not only for you, but your loco team as well20:16
greg-gthere are instructions at wiki.ubuntu.com/5-a-day20:17
greg-gcactaur: did that answer your question?20:17
cactauryeah20:17
greg-git is a way to show progress for you and your team thus encouraging participation20:17
greg-gcool20:17
greg-gChecklist of Awesome number 3: what package(s) does your group love?20:18
greg-gto make things like this matter to the participants you don't want to triage bugs for a package no one uses.  Find popular packages that need some love, and get a list out for that package.  At the end of the day people will feel like they really helped20:18
HereBePythongreg-g, pedro said he will prepare a list of bug triage examples for as many categories of bugs as possible so new comers can have a look and learn20:18
greg-gHereBePython: right on!20:19
HereBePythonand infact, add it to HowToTriage page ;)20:19
greg-ggood deal20:19
greg-gthanks HereBePython20:19
HereBePython:)20:19
greg-ga good idea is to break up into groups of ~4 people who are interested in similar things to work together20:19
greg-gChecklist of Awesome 4: irc channel for pasting links20:20
greg-gmake sure everyone knows where the loco's irc channel is and how to get on20:20
greg-gand of course, #ubuntu-bugs will be rockin it during the GBJ with experienced triagers20:20
greg-gso, loco specific questions can go in your channel while requests for help from the experienced people can go in -bugs20:21
greg-gthat is probably easier to do than setting up gobby etc20:21
greg-goh, and there should be at least one person in #ubuntu-bugs from your group to coordinate with everyone20:22
greg-gwe don't want another loco to come along and start working on the same list20:22
greg-gso we'll use #ubuntu-bugs for your loco to say "we're working on foo!" or whatever20:22
greg-gand, that Checklist of Awesome can be found on the GlobalBugJam/Prep wiki page.  So, go over that and send out instructions for the simple things before the day of the event20:22
greg-gat a previous session someone asked/mentioned to set up GPG keys at the event...20:23
greg-gthose are not needed for triaging bugs, but if people want to set them up, that is fine.  Just know that a keysigning party can take a while :)20:24
greg-gso, the rundown of the checklist:20:24
greg-gChecklist of Awesome: 1) Launchpad 2) 5-a-day 3) Popular Packages 4) IRC channel information  5) FUN!20:24
greg-ganthing else that you can think of that should go there?20:24
greg-gso, running the Jam:20:25
greg-gOK, so something we've had success with was a presenter go over a few examples so new people get an idea of what to do20:26
greg-gif you have experienced triagers already there, you can break them off into groups with other peopole20:26
greg-gso new people have an experienced person in their group to help them20:26
greg-gor you can have one smart person up front answering questions20:26
greg-gwhat we did is started working on our own list of bugs20:26
greg-gand if someone had a question they would yell out the number, and then the person connected to the projector would load it up20:27
greg-gand we would look through it, and decide what to do20:27
greg-gAnd as HereBePython just let us know, pedro will have a list of good example bugs to go through as a group if you want20:27
greg-gat the very minimum, if you get lost, frustrated, or it's turning into a disaster, you can always concentrate on just teaching people little things.20:28
greg-gI suspect we'll get a few reports that start off with "We started triaging and then decided to go to the pub instead."20:28
greg-gSo whatever works for you. :D20:28
greg-gDoes Running the Bug Jam make sense now?20:29
pepI found it very instructive20:29
pepeven for later bugjams20:29
greg-gI have one more section too :)20:29
greg-gpep: yeah, this is just general advice really20:30
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greg-gnot specific to the GBJ, but to Bug Jams in general20:30
pepyeah20:30
greg-gBut yeah, after the bug jam be sure to put up pictures and blog it20:30
greg-gand of course, Plan Future Bug Jams ! :)20:30
greg-gfrom my experience it is a good way to get participation from your community by being a low enough bar for entry that more people will show up20:31
greg-gthus, having a good time and going out for socializing after (beers) is a good idea20:31
greg-gand with that, if there are no more questions/comments/suggestions, this is the end of the HowTo20:32
cactaurgreg-g: Should our bug jams span the whole 3 days? Or would just doing it one of the days also work?20:33
pepyeah... I am going to investigate 5-a-day a little more on my side...20:33
greg-gcactaur: good question.  A one time event sometime during that span is probably good for a physical bug jam.  of course you are welcome to continue to coordiante virtually the rest of the span20:33
greg-gpep: 5-a-day is a good way to encourage your team's participation, I have found20:34
greg-ganything else?20:35
pepyeah.. but I have seen people reluctant to the system because they knew they wouldn't be able to triage 5 bugs a day... but this is on a more general basis really...20:35
greg-gpep: yeah, I can see that, but really, just do how much you can20:36
greg-gI havne't been doing 5 a day lately (MUCH less) but I am still participating20:36
pepwell 5 bugs a day is ok, but 5 bugs a day *every* day is the part that scares ;-)20:36
pepbut I suppose as long as you participate it has a sense20:36
greg-gpep: right20:36
greg-git is just that 5-a-day sounds better than As-many-as-you-can-each-week ;)20:37
pepyeah :)20:38
greg-ganything else?20:38
pepnot for me20:38
pepfrom*20:38
greg-gWell, thank you everyone for showing up and I hope this has helped you plan for a Great Bug Jam!20:38
greg-gyou are of course welcome to ping me in #ubuntu-us-mi if you have any other questions/comments20:38
pepthank you!20:39
greg-gyou're welcome!20:39
Grantbowso the logs are here?  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/20:42
greg-gGrantbow: correct20:43
greg-gfor this channel and other channels related to Ubuntu20:44
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owhHello all.22:00
pepHello22:00
bbyeverhi22:00
owh#startmeeting22:00
MootBotMeeting started at 16:01. The chair is owh.22:00
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owhHello and welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing monthly meeting. The agenda for today is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2008-07-0522:00
owhOur first point of discussion are the minutes for last month's meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2008-06-0722:00
owhIs everyone happy with that?22:01
pepjupp22:01
owhCan I have a person to second that?22:01
FlannelI'll second22:01
owh[AGREED] Meeting minutes for 2008-06-07 accepted as is.22:01
MootBotAGREED received:  Meeting minutes for 2008-06-07 accepted as is.22:01
owhFirst action item from last month:  hubuntu and pep to investigate spreadubuntu.com and report to the list.22:02
pepYes.22:02
owhGive us an update if you will.22:02
pepWe have advanced, everything is viewable here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu22:03
pepThere is the wiki, the mailing list archive, and the discussions held.22:03
FlannelWe've been in contact with the old chairpersons from the various projects that were related to spreadubuntu22:03
pepIn short: we are taking the project back, called SU, composed of a diy and a Site part.22:03
pepYes, old involved have been contacted.22:04
owhWhat kind of reception did you receive?22:04
pepFrom the old team, we got one web developer motivate d to help so that's good news22:04
pepwe got very positive reception22:04
pepas well as permission to delete the two old projects on launchpad end start again from scratch22:05
pepThis is in process22:05
FlannelThe new design is roughly: We have the DIY site (diy.spreadubuntu.com) that will be the repository of materials for various teams and people in general,22:05
pepprojects are awaiting deletion from LP staff.22:05
bbyeverI found a bazr branch with stuff related to SU22:05
owhAre there things that the Ubuntu Marketing team can provide to assist?22:05
Flanneland then the spreadubuntu.com site will be an "about" sort of site, explaining about Ubuntu, and linux, and things like that22:05
bbyeverbzr22:05
bbyeverhere: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/+branches?field.lifecycle=ALL&field.lifecycle-empty-marker=1&field.sort_by=by+project+name&field.sort_by-empty-marker=122:06
pepbbyever: yes, it is old code, when Su was supposed to be written for wordpress.22:06
pepas well as for another cms22:06
bbyeverpep: is it any use?22:06
Flannelbbyever: Theres actually a few old branches of varying completion22:06
pepno, I talked with the main contributor Dan Buch (who wrote almost everything) and he thought like me: delete and start again22:06
owhWas there any indication on why the project was abandoned?22:07
Flannelbbyever: We're taking bits an pieces of each, mostly design related.  The code itself will depend on what we decide to actually use22:07
Flannelowh: Lack of interest, attrition, etc.22:07
bbyeverFlannel, pep: ok22:07
FlannelOr rather, lack of time for the people interested22:07
owhAre there any questions from the floor about pep and Flannel's summary?22:07
pepYes, I suppose interest to develop just fell.22:07
owhOn to the next item.22:08
Flannelowh: As per your "What can Marketing do"  The "spreadubuntu.com" section will be put together by the marketing team.  We're hoping to reach out to new users, etc.22:08
Flannelowh: So, it'll be a lot of writing content targetting "regular people"22:09
owhCool. I'll volunteer for that when the time comes ;-)22:09
owhMoving on. We'll skip the hubuntu booking, since we're here :)22:09
pepFlannel: that's talking about the "Site" part right?22:09
owh[Topic] Summarise list discussion about team structure proposals22:10
MootBotNew Topic:  Summarise list discussion about team structure proposals22:10
Flannelpep: Thats the spreadubuntu part, not the diy part, yeah.22:10
pepah yes, srry22:10
pep(still asleep)22:10
owhI've not seen any proposals to the list beyond the one that JV provided. Is this now a moot point?22:10
Flannelowh: I don't believe theres been any follow up on that either.  The parties involved may have lost interest22:11
pepI don't believe the need for a restructuring so urgent personally...22:11
pep+1 Flannel22:11
owhAny counter opinions, since we had a rather large discussion about it last meeting and on the list?22:12
pepI don't understand why nobody showed up tonight since it seemed to worry many people...22:12
Flannelowh: I believe that renders the next agenda topic moot as well.22:12
FlannelOr at least, if it is the case22:12
owh[Idea] No requirement to change the team structure. No need for a leader. Continue as a collective.22:12
MootBotIDEA received:  No requirement to change the team structure. No need for a leader. Continue as a collective.22:12
owhDoes that cover it?22:13
pepGood for me.22:13
bbyever+122:13
Flannel+122:13
owh[Agreed] No requirement to change the team structure. No need for a leader. Continue as a collective.22:13
MootBotAGREED received:  No requirement to change the team structure. No need for a leader. Continue as a collective.22:13
owhWe can skip the voting.22:13
owhRight, onto bbyever's topic.22:13
owh[Topic] Decide what projects will be taken into action and actually start them.22:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Decide what projects will be taken into action and actually start them.22:13
owhbbyever: Over to you.22:14
bbyeverthanks22:14
bbyeverwell, there are many projects started, but i've only seen focus in SU... will we all concentrate on SU right now, or will the others also be taken into action22:14
owhWhich other projects are you talking about?22:15
FlannelI don't see a reason why others wouldn't be considered.  We just only have one (SU) currently to my knowledge22:15
bbyeverhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects22:15
pepWell any projects are still viable22:15
peppeople just need to *do* them22:16
Flannelbbyever: The firefox menu bar seemed to be met with some enthusiasm, but I believe Mr Botscharow has had his freetime reduced22:16
pepwow, my name is in there o.O22:16
owhThe plug-in can be simply created using a custom google search IIRC.22:17
pepConcerning diy: I believe the project is active, interested people should join the team on launchpad and the mailing list, I actually wanted to wait for the 2 old projects to be deleted and the new one to be created in launchpad to announce it to the list.22:17
Flannelbbyever: A lot of the Projects listed on that page are old.  That doesn't mean they need to be removed, or stopped, merely that no one currently is championing them22:17
owhI started one, but google refused to do a custom search with anything other than my private google gmail address.22:17
bbyeverok, so maybe we should update the page to reflect actual activity?22:17
pepwell apart from the projects statuses, it reflects it ok...22:18
Flannelbbyever: It may be pertinent to change their status, or have a deferred section for projects.  An Active table and an inactive table.22:18
bbyeverok22:18
owhWhat about the discussions we had last month. Nothing in that is actually directly doing what we said we would be doing.22:18
Flannelowh: The spreadubuntu project is.22:18
pepyes22:19
* owh hunts for a suitable copy/paste.22:19
pepI think it is too...22:19
Flannelowh: I assume you're referring to helping the LoCos etc do their thing?22:19
owhYup22:19
Flannelowh: The DIY section of the spreadubuntu project does just that.22:19
owhAh, you're sneeky :)22:19
owhI forgot :)22:19
owhFine. So, where does this leave bbyever's topic?22:20
bbyeveri had something else...22:20
pepwell we're not al concentrating on SU22:20
owhA new topic bbyever?22:20
FlannelI think we should update the statuses of those projects to reflect their current activity.22:20
pepYeah22:20
bbyeverno, just like a sub point in my topic22:20
owhCool Flannel. Any volunteers?22:21
owhbbyever: Bring it on :)22:21
FlannelThey shouldn't be removed, because they have good ideas, and hopefully can be seen to fruition.22:21
bbyeveri thought maybe it would be better in terms of organization, to assign (or update the current assignments of projects) to people who are interested in helping out22:21
owhWhat about adding a column that points to a progress report Flannel?22:21
pepThe question is if people are active in our team, a part from SU working group. Maybe if they see that this SU is active, it will motivate others to start off other projects again, we are enough to do several once imo...22:21
owhbbyever: Well, when someone actively takes up such a role, that would be when that changes, would it not?22:22
pepones*22:22
Flannelowh: I think the Status table covers that.  Also, each subsection (each Project) should include a checklist/todo list22:22
bbyeverok22:22
owhFlannel: How do you want to "encourage" that?22:23
FlannelI agree with pep.  Activity begets activity22:23
pepyes22:24
owhFlannel: I mean, the "check list/todo".22:24
Flannelowh: We should probably write up a quick "How to Start a Project" paragraph for that page22:24
owhThat's what I was looking for :)22:25
owhYou volunteering?22:25
FlannelI don't mind heading it up, sure.22:25
owh[Idea] Flannel to write a "How to Start a Project" paragraph for the UM/Projects page.22:25
MootBotIDEA received:  Flannel to write a "How to Start a Project" paragraph for the UM/Projects page.22:25
owhHappy with that?22:25
Flannel+122:25
pepAs soon as SU is ready, in a couple of days imo... somebody could write an encouraging email to the list... taking example on SU to encourage other projects of the marketing team..22:25
pep+122:26
owh[Agreed] Flannel to write a "How to Start a Project" paragraph for the UM/Projects page.22:26
MootBotAGREED received:  Flannel to write a "How to Start a Project" paragraph for the UM/Projects page.22:26
owhDoes that leave anything that's open?22:26
pepdon't forget to mail i tto the list too... not sure that many check out the wiki very often22:26
Flannelpep: We'll work that out on our own22:26
owhThat's more of an SU update really isn't it?22:27
owhbbyever: Are you happy with the outcome of that?22:27
Flannelyeah, and the SU project will take care of it22:27
pepyeah, I suppose... even if it covers the same role in a way22:27
bbyeveryep22:27
owh[Topic] Other Issues22:27
MootBotNew Topic:  Other Issues22:27
owhAny one got anything they wish to air?22:27
owhI'll add one. We should be actively providing status updates to the list to encourage activity.22:28
bbyever+122:28
pepI find that we're not using the wiki enough too...22:28
owhPerhaps once a week, a single paragraph of what we did.22:28
FlannelOnce a week is probably too frequent22:29
owhpep: You mean to document things?22:29
bbyeveronce every 2 weeks would be fine imho22:29
owhIs this going to be a personal update, or a project update?22:30
pepI mean in general for workflow and organization... task lists, todos, project descriptions, etc... I have the feeling it could be used better... but the source is probably a motivation/interest lack...22:30
FlannelIt'll move at a different pace for most projects.  Whoever chairs said projects should have a good feel for how frequently they should be updating22:30
pepor just report substantial updates in a project...22:30
owhpep: To do that, you need to create infrastructure and put policies in place, otherwise it will not happen.22:30
Flannelyeah, a bunch of reports of "nothing much happened" isnt going to spur activity22:30
bbyeverowh: i'd say project update22:30
owhFlannel: Can you add that to the paragraph you're writing?22:31
Flannelowh: I'll be sure to include it22:31
Flanneland pep, I'll mention keeping your wiki updated too22:31
owhSo, is there anything else exciting happening in the UM sphere?22:31
owh[Idea] Projects should provide regular updates to the UM list.22:32
MootBotIDEA received:  Projects should provide regular updates to the UM list.22:32
pepOk (I hope to be working alot with the wiki in an effective way for SU)22:32
pepI can't think of anything else...22:32
owhEveryone cool with that idea?22:33
pep+122:33
bbyever+122:33
owh[Agreed] Projects should provide regular updates to the UM list.22:33
MootBotAGREED received:  Projects should provide regular updates to the UM list.22:33
owh[Topic] Next meeting, time and place.22:33
MootBotNew Topic:  Next meeting, time and place.22:33
bbyevercould i say something else22:34
FlannelFirst Saturday of next month is the second22:34
owhOther than that I'll be on a stage MC-ing a few hours later, it's good for me :)22:34
owhbbyever: Of course.22:34
owh[Idea] Next meeting: 2 August 21:00 UTC22:35
MootBotIDEA received:  Next meeting: 2 August 21:00 UTC22:35
bbyeversomeone posted something about an ubuntu desktop course, which seemed interesting to me. i investigated and it seems the project is inactive... i was wondering if we could take it into the markeitng team and revive it, what do you think?22:35
pep+1, no reason for change....22:35
owh[Agreed] Next meeting: 2 August 21:00 UTC22:35
MootBotAGREED received:  Next meeting: 2 August 21:00 UTC22:35
pepsure bbyever, you are welcome to take up the lead of this project if it really is inactive!22:35
Flannelbbyever: What is an "Ubuntu Desktop Course"?22:36
bbyeverlet me find the link...22:36
pepit seems close enough to a marketing activity to me... :)22:36
bbyeverhttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-course22:37
owhRemember, the idea is not for us to start writing marketing materials, but to coordinate other people's efforts so everyone benefits.22:37
owhUh, that's not right.22:37
owhCarry on :)22:37
FlannelJust in passing, I'd like to mention that Global Bug Jam is coming up on August 8-10, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam  You might want to touch base with your LoCos and see if you can participate22:38
owhbbyever: Perhaps, rather than "take ownership", join the group and start helping?22:38
bbyeverwell sent a mail to Torsten Spindler asking about the activity of the project and he hasnt replyed..22:38
bbyeverthat was like 5 days ago22:39
bbyeveri also sent a mail to their list and havent recived a reply22:39
owhWhat about other contributors?22:39
pepmhh..; give him another two days and contact another main contributor...22:39
pephow about you report us about this project for next meeting, or on the list as soon as you know more?22:40
bbyeverthere hasnt been any activity in 9 weeks22:40
owhbbyever: Remember, some people may be doing completely different things and may not be "Ubuntu" 24/722:40
Flannelbbyever: He was on IRC a week ago22:40
owhbbyever: That's not a dead project, just slow :)22:40
bbyeverok, i'll try to contact more people in the project and i'll report back ehre22:40
bbyeverhere*22:40
pepyeah... looks not completely dead to me to...22:40
owh[Idea] bbyever to report back on the Ubuntu Desktop Course22:40
MootBotIDEA received:  bbyever to report back on the Ubuntu Desktop Course22:40
owhAlso, note that there is a set of ubuntu course material flying around.22:41
owhbbyever: You happy with reporting back next month?22:41
bbyeveryep22:41
owh[Action] bbyever to report back on the Ubuntu Desktop Course22:41
MootBotACTION received:  bbyever to report back on the Ubuntu Desktop Course22:41
owhAs we say in holland: Een Maal, Andermaal verkocht.22:42
owhThat is, going once, going twice, sold :)22:42
owhThanks in advance to bbyever for being our scribe today.22:42
bbyevernp22:42
owhThank you all for attending today.22:42
owh#endmeeting22:42
MootBotMeeting finished at 16:44.22:42
owhWhooT!22:42
pepquick22:43
pep:)22:43
owhNo IRC interruptions, no fights, all good :)22:43
pepyeah22:43
owhRight, so lets get on with it :)22:43
pepowh: are you up-to-date with SU?22:43
pepnow that we meet :)22:43
owhWe should move to #u-m to continue this conversation.22:43
pepyeah!22:43
peptrue!22:43
bbyeverok22:44
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