[00:05] <afflux> Amaranth: DAMN. I have no idea how I got this, but I definetly found the problem. "drwx------ 23 root root 4096 Jul  6 00:14 /"
[00:06] <Amaranth> wow
[00:07] <afflux> puh... that took some time :/ thanks for your help!
[04:04] <darthanubis> how to I set gcc to 4,2 to recompile my nvidia kernel
[04:04] <darthanubis> ?
[05:36] <blind1> mm where is 8.04.1?
[05:42] <blind1> nvm
[05:43] <hyperair> wrong channel imo
[06:56] <darthanubis> the latest II kernel does not bring me to login
[06:56] <darthanubis> only cursor at upper left of screen
[06:57] <hyperair> II kernelL?
[06:57] <hyperair> *kernel
[06:58] <AtomicSpark> my kernal is best. kernal VI.
[06:58] <AtomicSpark> you should upgrade ;)
[06:59] <hyperair> what are you talking about? O_o
[06:59] <AtomicSpark> ...
[06:59] <hyperair> VI?
[06:59] <hyperair> 2.6.26-6?
[07:00] <AtomicSpark> darthanubis: are you selecting the first option when booting your machine? highest kernel number?
[07:00] <darthanubis> yes that kernel
[07:00]  * hyperair feels ignored
[07:00] <darthanubis> I upgraded from Hardy
[07:00] <darthanubis> I did not use a cd
[07:01] <darthanubis> I'm using Hardy's kernel now
[07:01] <AtomicSpark> darthanubis: upgrades have never been a good idea in my experince. i always had problem. nothing like yours though.
[07:01] <AtomicSpark> (mostly from unneccessary packages)
[07:01] <darthanubis> trying to get my nvidia driver running in full glx
[07:02] <darthanubis> I always have problems as well
[07:02] <darthanubis> nothing I don't overcome
[07:02] <darthanubis> I don't believe in starting from scratch every release
[07:02] <AtomicSpark> darthanubis: just to make sure, you know intrepid is uberalpha and lots of things are broken correct?
[07:02] <darthanubis> I work through the problems
[07:03] <AtomicSpark> meh. i break too many things by trying to add non-repo software. :p starting over works best.
[07:03] <AtomicSpark> tis what backups are for.
[07:04] <hyperair> darthanubis: nvidia-glx isn't working yet is it
[07:04] <darthanubis> this is my 10th or 12th I stopped counting year running linux. Been with Ubuntu since the begining. I undesratnd what an alpha is:)
[07:04] <darthanubis> hyperair, not that I can tell
[07:04] <AtomicSpark> darthanubis: just making sure. have some whiners in here once in awhile. :P
[07:04] <hyperair> yeah figures
[07:04] <darthanubis> I usually compile my own module from Nvdia's script
[07:05] <hyperair> i see
[07:05] <darthanubis> but I have to set the correct gcc version for the kernel
[07:05] <hyperair> which nvidia driver do you use?
[07:05] <hyperair> new, legacy or uberlegacy?
[07:05] <darthanubis> the beta
[07:05] <hyperair> ah
[07:05] <hyperair> how nice
[07:05] <hyperair> i can't use any of the new drivers
[07:05] <AtomicSpark> you're just a betamaster!
[07:05] <hyperair> only the legacy
[07:05] <darthanubis> I like to bleed;)
[07:06] <AtomicSpark> heh. well my experince with betas and my laptop have never been good. i was actully scared of hardy working on my laptop. :\
[07:06] <darthanubis> Hardy worked for me
[07:06] <darthanubis> but was not as good as the rest
[07:07] <AtomicSpark> virtual machines seemed to be better. havent gotten the alpha past the installer though.
[07:07] <darthanubis> I should have skipped Hardy, but oh well
[07:07]  * AtomicSpark rubs nose
[07:07] <darthanubis> I still have it on my other box
[07:07] <darthanubis> I thought I try II on my mythbox before I wipe it and install Debian Lenny on this box
[07:08] <AtomicSpark> oh i get it. II = intrepid ibix. haha. -_-
[07:08] <darthanubis> yeah
[07:08] <AtomicSpark> wow its late. well i wish you luck. i've never been good at getting propietary drivers to work.
[07:09]  * AtomicSpark caughs ati
[07:09] <AtomicSpark> at least it works without envy now :)
[07:10] <darthanubis> thxx
[08:21] <Daemonik> How does Ubuntu make Xorg go about detecting my monitor settings and what graphics chip I'm using? What is the feature called?
[08:22] <RAOF> Hotplug.
[08:23] <RAOF> For the former (monitor settings): any non-broken monitor for the past decade has reported those values via a mechanism called DDC.
[08:24] <RAOF> This gives fun stuff like physical size, supported resolutions, refresh rates, etc.
[08:24] <RAOF> (There are plenty of broken monitors out there, though, which is annoying).
[08:25] <RAOF> For the latter: PCIID matching, I believe.  Each driver has a list of the PCIIDs of the chips that it can drive, and X uses this to load the appropriate driver.
[08:26] <DanaG> Here's something odd:
[08:26] <DanaG> I plugged a monitor into a Voodoo3 PCI card, and the xorg log showed it getting the right EDID...... yet, Xorg only let it use up to 800x600.
[08:27] <DanaG> Even if I set it to 16-bit color, even.
[08:27] <Daemonik> ROAF Thank you.
[08:28] <DanaG> Too bad synaptics still isn't supported or configurable with input-hotplug.
[08:28] <RAOF> Daemonik: No problem.
[08:29] <RAOF> DanaG: I believe that it's either getting fixed (to not need SHMConfig) or we're going to patch it.
[08:29] <RAOF> DanaG: I seem to recall that Fedora 9 handled synaptics-but-no-xorg.conf fine.
[08:32] <DanaG> My xorg.conf has all sorts of tweaks that currently can't be done any other way.
[08:32] <DanaG> For example, there's no GUI for setting multi-finger tapping or scrolling.
[08:33] <RAOF> I'm not sure that you don't lie; ksynaptics or qsynaptics or whatever exposes many more options than gsynaptics.
[08:34] <DanaG> But they don't work very well, and they aren't integrated.
[08:34] <DanaG> It'd also be good to have a way to set the scrolling region, as in the Windows Synaptics control panel.
[08:34] <RAOF> :(
[08:35] <RAOF> Can you get two-finger-scroll on synaptics?  That'd be awesome.
[08:35] <DanaG> Yup.
[08:35] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[08:35] <RAOF> SWEET.
[08:35] <DanaG> yay, the server's back up.
[08:35] <DanaG> I've also gone through and commented stuff.
[08:36] <RAOF> I note you're not using the One True Keymap ;)
[08:36] <DanaG> Whaddaya' mean?
[08:37] <DanaG> But I do like my OSS keypad.
[08:37] <DanaG> ↑↓→←↖↗↗↑←↙
[08:37] <DanaG> ∕⋅−+÷×−+
[08:37] <DanaG> =þ
[08:37] <DanaG> I think I need to make my comments more visible.
[08:37] <RAOF> Dvorak is the One True Keymap. :)
[08:38] <RAOF> Also, cool.
[08:43] <DanaG> "thorn" is awesome for that smiley.
[08:43] <DanaG> þþþþÞÞþÞþÞ
[08:50] <DanaG> I wish that "MDPS" driver would make it into the kernel.
[08:56] <DanaG> I'm surprised nobody else has suggested the time-changing wallpaper thingy on the wiki.
[08:56]  * hyperair wonders if there's such a thing as a pygtk ide
[08:57] <RAOF> hyperair: Yes, there are a number.  Also allowing you to build the gui from objects and view it at the same time.
[08:57]  * DanaG wonders when Nautilus will stop being MIA.
[08:57] <hyperair> RAOF: where can i get a listing of them? i dont' see any in a google search
[08:58] <hyperair> also which would you recommend
[08:58] <RAOF> I've never used any of them, I just know of their existance.
[08:59] <RAOF> I'm sorry, I don't even think I'll be able to help you improve your google sauce.
[09:00] <DanaG> Speaking of which...
[09:00] <DanaG> what exactly is this "SAUCE" I see in the Ubuntu kernel changelogs?
[10:55] <rogue_trader> where can I download a recent build of intrepix ibex?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> rogue_trader: it will be added to the topic once its a bit more usable
[11:07] <molgrum> what's the status on nvidia drivers?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> molgrum: what do you mean?
[11:08] <molgrum> they aren't in the repos yet afaik
[11:09] <gnomefreak> molgrum: yes they are
[11:09] <gnomefreak> nvidia-glx-new: Installed: 169.12+2.6.24.12-16.34
[11:10] <molgrum> hmm, i'll try to change xorg.conf again then
[11:10] <gnomefreak> molgrum: however you may end up having to make it work
[11:10] <molgrum> make it work?
[11:10] <gnomefreak> molgrum: nvidia has alot of issues. yes make it work if you want to use them
[11:11] <gnomefreak> hint: they have been broken since just after merges started.
[11:12] <gnomefreak> gedit is broken  well as alot of other default packages
[11:12] <molgrum> "2.6.24"
[11:13] <molgrum> i'm running 2.6.26 here
[11:14] <G_009> .3 is out too
[11:15] <gnomefreak> molgrum: yes they work with the .26 kernel but you have to MAKE THEM WORK
[11:15] <G_009> taze'em
[11:15] <molgrum> n'blaze'em
[11:15] <gnomefreak> molgrum: a little hacking of xorg.conf and you should soon be running them
[11:15] <gnomefreak> molgrum: but if you cant fix it dont install intrepid
[11:16] <molgrum> a little late for that
[11:16] <G_009> am waiting til i can just run restricted driver applet and enable..
[11:16]  * G_009 yawns sleepily
[11:16] <molgrum> same here :P
[15:17] <vishalrao> hello, any idea if the "opengl gdm face browser" will be included with intrepid/gnome 2.24 ?
[15:19] <gnomefreak> after august most likely or around the end of it please see gnomes release schedule
[15:21] <Xand3r> hi i uses now intrepid on my laptop
[15:21] <Xand3r> i cant scroll with the tuchpad
[15:22] <Xand3r> how can i get it back
[15:22] <Xand3r> i the kde on intrepid dayly build?
[15:23] <pheeror> sys -> pref -> mouse?
[15:23] <pheeror> oh, in kde, who knows
[15:23] <Xand3r> some funktions of the mous i cant explain with words, but can i get the behavior from hardy back?
[15:23] <Xand3r> its the question now, is the change from ubuntu or from kde
[15:27] <hyperair> since when does sys/pref/mouse have touchpad scrolling opts?
[15:28] <gnomefreak> hyperair: it doesnt afaik but there is a menu item that should help with that. but normally set in xorg.conf IIRC
[15:32] <pheeror> hyperair: since you have laptop ? ;-)
[15:34] <pheeror> you, in intrepid there is laptop tab in that gui utility, for sure
[15:34] <pheeror> s/you/yeah/pff
[15:44] <hyperair> pheeror: i don't have a laptop xD
[15:47] <gnomefreak> hyperair: than you wont need it
[15:47] <gnomefreak> :)
[15:47] <hyperair> i'm getting one soon
[15:48] <hyperair> ;)
[15:53] <zerwas> Does anybody know if there has been some work on making it easier to add sources.list entries?
[15:53] <darthanubis> ok so I got the latest kernel to boot and run
[15:53] <darthanubis> but its the -server model
[15:53] <zerwas> i know there has been an entry on planet.ubuntu.com about that but i don't remember who has written it
[15:53] <darthanubis> it's always like that for me with alpha buntus
[15:54] <gnomefreak> zerwas: easier than using system>admin>software sources?
[15:54] <zerwas> gnomefreak, sure
[15:54] <darthanubis> now if I can get this opengl working I'd be satisfied, for now
[15:54] <gnomefreak> i dont see how you can get any easier
[15:54] <zerwas> gnomefreak, directly from Firefox -> with a click
[15:54] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: fat chance opengl was borked last week not sure if fixed yet
[15:55] <darthanubis> sound is broken, yikes
[15:55] <gnomefreak> zerwas: that would be on my plate than. i will ping the other mozilla maintainers to see what we are doing there
[15:55] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: sound works after 3 commands
[15:55] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: look for hobbsee's latest post on ubuntuforums
[15:56] <gnomefreak> i think i lost the link
[15:56] <darthanubis> when I went to sound prefs, I got the test tones for alsa
[15:56] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: than it works
[15:56] <darthanubis> but when my highlighted xchat messages and gnome startup occurs, I get low scratching
[15:57] <zerwas> gnomefreak, woah, thank you very much!
[15:57] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: that fits under http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845844&page=2
[15:58] <gnomefreak> sorry its http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845844
[15:58] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, sweet!
[15:59] <zerwas> gnomefreak, will you tell me if there are efforts to make this possible after you speaked to the maintainers?
[15:59] <gnomefreak> zerwas: please show me that post.
[16:00] <gnomefreak> zerwas: im highly doubting it since it will require root access and running firefox as root will screw up your system
[16:00] <gnomefreak> i would really like to see this post
[16:00] <zerwas> haha no. type this in your adress bar in firefox: apt://ubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:00] <gnomefreak> zerwas: and i just asked asac but hes away
[16:01] <gnomefreak> zerwas: oh good its not firefox than :)
[16:02] <gnomefreak> zerwas: firefox doesnt have anything to do with that
[16:03] <zerwas> gnomefreak, mh ... but e.g. apt-links don't work with epiphany. so it must have to do something with Fx, not?!
[16:03] <gnomefreak> zerwas: its not firefox that is doing it firefox is informing another app of it
[16:03] <zerwas> gnomefreak, sure. but it must be able to do so
[16:03] <gnomefreak> IIRC this is part of ubufox but i will find out
[16:05] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, in that link I don't see a hobbes guy?
[16:05] <zerwas> gnomefreak, there is also http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/6960/ ;-)
[16:06] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: the second link first post is hobbsee and shes a woman
[16:06] <darthanubis> oh, I missed the second link
[16:15] <gnomefreak> zerwas: its apturl that does that.
[16:15] <darthanubis> music streaming and such is perfect
[16:16] <zerwas> gnomefreak, i know
[16:16] <gnomefreak> ubufox and apturl walk hand in hand
[16:16] <darthanubis> but esound events via gnome are still scratch noise
[16:16] <gnomefreak> thats why epiphany doesnt do it
[16:16] <zerwas> gnomefreak, ok
[16:16] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: than check bug reports that is the only sound issue in intrepid at this time that i am aware of
[16:16] <zerwas> gnomefreak, i simply was wondering if anybody in here knows of work being done to be able to add repos easier
[16:17] <gnomefreak> its implemented
[16:17] <zerwas> gnomefreak, really, for a beginner it is not as easy as it looks like to do these 6 clicks and copy and paste those lines
[16:17] <zerwas> gnomefreak, huh?
[16:17] <zerwas> gnomefreak, how? where? what? ;)
[16:17] <gnomefreak> zerwas: you want easier than that
[16:18] <gnomefreak> zerwas: it works just fine (from what i can tell) what exactly are you looking for?
[16:19] <zerwas> gnomefreak, having a webpage saying "click here to install the software and receive updates automatically"
[16:19] <gnomefreak> zerwas: if you cant do it that way or any of the 300 other ways than i think its time to rethink the OS you  use
[16:19] <zerwas> *click* and it adds the lines automatically to the sources.list
[16:19] <gnomefreak> zerwas: cant do that
[16:20] <zerwas> gnomefreak, it's not that *I* am not able to do it ;-) ... i just want to see Ubuntu being easier to use :(
[16:20] <gnomefreak> zerwas: the way it is now is the closest you can come unless root + firefox is rethought
[16:20] <gnomefreak> cant open sources.list without being root to beable to add to it
[16:20] <zerwas> gnomefreak, but you can get from Fx to root with apturl right now. why should it be a problem with sources.list?
[16:21] <gnomefreak> zerwas: because you are talkinhg about viewing than editing and its not a great idea to mix the 2 like that it should either open 1 page in total or none since you want it to be on screen
[16:22] <gnomefreak> zerwas: hint if it was the same thing than you wouldnt be asking about it
[16:22] <gnomefreak> or it is already the easist you can think of
[16:23] <zerwas> hm ... i don't understand.
[16:23] <gnomefreak> IMHO this apturl thing now isnt such a great idea
[16:24] <gnomefreak> zerwas: you said that using firefox to open list as root would be the same as it is with apturl
[16:24] <gnomefreak> zerwas: than apturl is what you are looking for. firefox to open sources.list isnt a good idea just to use apturl it gives people reasons to run it as root
[16:24] <gnomefreak> you know the new users you talk about
[16:25] <zerwas> gnomefreak, hehe ... but i give support on an ubuntu forum often with things like: "click here to solve your problem and to install foobar." ... if i would say: "Install the package foobar through your package manager" many people even don't know what i am talking about because all they know is adding software through "Applications -> Add/Remove"
[16:25] <gnomefreak> the ones that dont know any better?
[16:25] <gnomefreak> zerwas: you can click here in add/remove apps synaptic adept smartpm isnt that enough or would you like all apps to be the same?
[16:26] <gnomefreak> there are more apps i can come up with that do the same but that is example
[16:27] <gnomefreak> its a good idea to keep package manager tasks away from other apps that root isnt needed to run or people will try to run apps as root and we all know what happens there
[16:29] <zerwas> ok. then from your point of view apturl is a bad idea and you won't understand why i would like to see an easy way of adding a repository
[16:30] <hyperair> apturl ftw
[16:31] <gnomefreak> zerwas: i didnt say apturl is bad. apturl makes alot of things easier but you want everything to do it because the way we have are not easy enough
[16:32] <zerwas> hyperair, ... banshee ftw ;-)
[16:37] <hyperair> zerwas: yeaaa =D
[16:37] <zerwas> hyperair, what do you think of my idea?
[16:38] <hyperair> what idea?
[16:38] <hyperair> there's a huge wall of text that i'm lazy to read
[16:38] <hyperair> so please summarize =D
[16:42] <zerwas> hyperair, nah i'm lazy too. and i know you would committed to it ^^
[16:46] <hyperair> T_T
[16:46] <hyperair> damn you
[16:46] <hyperair> zerwas: are you talking about merging apturl and ubufox?
[16:46] <hyperair> or something?
[16:46] <zerwas> hyperair, no i would like to see an easy way for beginners to add a repo with a click out of firefox
[16:47] <hyperair> agreed
[16:47] <hyperair> but apturl would do the job wouldn't it?
[16:47] <hyperair> so apturl oob should be fine?
[16:48] <zerwas> apturl can only use DEB packages that are already in the database
[16:49] <gnomefreak> zerwas: smartpm does rpms as well we dont really encourage users to look outside our sources since we cant support nor promise the work that was done on the package.
[16:50] <gnomefreak> zerwas: easiest way to get it started is to file a blueprint on LP and write a wiki using the template for new ideas
[16:50] <gnomefreak> than mvo can look at it and decide
[16:50] <zerwas> gnomefreak, ye i will be thinking of it
[16:50] <zerwas> thanks :)
[16:51] <hyperair> hmm
[16:51] <hyperair> zerwas: so you want apturl to be able to add stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
[16:51] <gnomefreak> zerwas: example https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-distro-addon-support
[16:52] <zerwas> gnomefreak, thanks!
[16:52] <gnomefreak> np
[16:53]  * hyperair wonders what apturl has to do with banshee
[16:53] <gnomefreak> hyperair: nothing thankfully
[16:53] <hyperair> why "thankfully"?
[16:53] <zerwas> hyperair, i mean in order to install 1.0 people have to add a repo
[16:54] <zerwas> gnomefreak, ah so the idea already exists: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptFirefoxFileHandler
[16:54] <hyperair> aha
[16:54] <hyperair> i see
[16:54] <gnomefreak> hyperair: what would apturl do with banshee to help it? other than make it more buggy
[16:55] <gnomefreak> the more you link apps the more bugs you will find/introduce
[16:55] <hyperair> gnomefreak: banshee isn't very buggy
[16:56] <hyperair> gnomefreak: 1.0.0 was pretty stable
[16:56] <gnomefreak> hyperair: add other apps to it and that will change
[16:56] <hyperair> zerwas was talking about the installation process for banshee 1.0 on hardy
[16:56] <gnomefreak> 1 app works fine by self add another and you will find conflicts
[16:56] <zerwas> right
[16:56] <hyperair> http://edge.launchpad.net/~banshee-team/+archive
[16:56] <hyperair> see that
[16:56] <gnomefreak> zerwas: that is exactly the apturl that has been impletment
[16:57] <hyperair> he wants a one click install
[16:57] <hyperair> similar to opensuse's
[16:57] <zerwas> exactly
[16:57] <hyperair> like instead of posting the wall of text i posted on that page,
[16:57] <hyperair> just a link
[16:57] <hyperair> click here to add the repo and install it
[16:57] <hyperair> bla
[16:57] <hyperair> stuff like that
[16:57] <zerwas> yep.
[16:57] <hyperair> ubuntu is a newbie's distro. stuff like this should be as simple as possible
[16:58] <hyperair> the ubuntu i'd like to see is _the_ distro for the newcomers to linux.
[16:58] <gnomefreak> Implementation:   Beta Available
[16:58] <gnomefreak> it is what you already showed
[16:58] <hyperair> the distro that surpasses windows and macintosh in every aspect of usability
[16:58] <gnomefreak> look at blueprint on LP
[16:59] <gnomefreak> Add a mimetype or protocol hanlder to firefox to allow adding repositories to the system and to install/removal applications. The adding of repositories is important for PPAs in launchpad. The install capability will allow to build community oriented sites similar to gnomefiles.org to allow one-click installs.
[16:59] <gnomefreak> that is what apturl is already doing in intrepid
[16:59] <zerwas> woah, cool :D
[16:59] <gnomefreak> its not refined but its there
[16:59] <hyperair> woo hoo
[16:59] <hyperair> okay
[17:00] <gnomefreak> hence the question what more do you want
[17:00] <hyperair> ask zerwas
[17:00] <zerwas> gnomefreak, nothing :-P
[17:00] <zerwas> didn't know it's in the works for intrepid
[17:00] <gnomefreak> i asked that an hour ago and you kept going like it wasnt already there
[17:00] <gnomefreak> zerwas: you told me about it
[17:00] <zerwas> gnomefreak, then i didn't understand you right. sorry, my english is really bad
[17:01] <zerwas> gnomefreak, i told about a post i read on planet ubuntu and you asked me to search for it, yeah ;)
[17:01] <gnomefreak> apt://ubuntu-restricted-extras is it since ubuntu-restricted-extras is a package
[17:01] <hyperair> yeah like that i think
[17:01] <gnomefreak> add that line to ff and install that package
[17:01] <gnomefreak> same thing
[17:01] <hyperair> apt:ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[17:01] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-restricted-extras is an app
[17:01] <zerwas> i was talking about repos
[17:01] <gnomefreak> app=package
[17:02] <gnomefreak> zerwas: it is going to be more refined but may alloow repos reason repos is bad idea we cant support them so package by package would work best
[17:03] <gnomefreak> 1 package wont void support (only for that one maybe up to 3 packages where as a repo can viod a supported system
[17:03] <gnomefreak> void even
[17:04] <gnomefreak> if michael can do it he will if he finds that it should be dine by repos and it can be but how safe to make it
[17:05] <gnomefreak> if you notice we dont support packages people get from say PPA's or outside repos
[17:05] <hyperair> imo the files that should be dumped in /etc/apt/sources.list.d should be gpg signed, then the signature stripped and it dumped into the directroy.
[17:05] <hyperair> *directory
[17:06] <gnomefreak> just because people package apps doesnt mean they are safe
[17:06] <hyperair> also, a clear warning that it may void your warranty to add a repo may be nice
[17:06] <gnomefreak> or free of bugs
[17:06] <hyperair> so that you provide choice
[17:06] <hyperair> i simply couldn't care about warranty
[17:06] <hyperair> when it comes to ubuntu anyway
[17:06] <gnomefreak> hyperair: your not a user right out of box either
[17:06] <gnomefreak> hyperair: you have been a user for a while
[17:06] <hyperair> hmm?
[17:06] <hyperair> true
[17:07] <gnomefreak> new user will care when they join #ubuntu and are told we cant help you
[17:07] <hyperair> but it's us "users for a while" who should make ubuntu better for "users right out of the box"
[17:07] <hyperair> i never cared about ubuntu's warranty from day one.
[17:07] <gnomefreak> they wont know why and get pissed and dump ubuntu all because someone made it easy to add outside repo
[17:07] <hyperair> even when i first used it
[17:07] <hyperair> dapper drake
[17:07] <hyperair> i just googled my way through
[17:07] <hyperair> i broke X three times and formatted each time becaues i couldn't figur eout how to fix it
[17:08]  * gnomefreak all for making things easy but too easy and you are asking for trouble
[17:08] <hyperair> gnomefreak: that is why a WARNING is good
[17:08] <hyperair> warning, friend. warning
[17:08] <hyperair> warning warning warning
[17:08] <hyperair> got that in yet?
[17:08] <gnomefreak> yeah i will ask Michael about one
[17:08] <hyperair> a warning like how we warn people in gdebi-gtk
[17:08] <gnomefreak> hyperair: did get it a long time ago
[17:08] <hyperair> goody
[17:09] <gnomefreak> hyperair: when was the last time a warning made you think twice about something?
[17:09] <gnomefreak> notice sudo rm -rf /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt warn you
[17:10] <gnomefreak> and for you users that dont know what it will do dont run it
[17:10] <gnomefreak> hell dont run it anyway
[17:10] <hyperair> gnomefreak: the warning is there for a reason.
[17:10]  * gnomefreak never used gdebi i dont think
[17:10] <jonpackard> if you're typing in sudo the system assumes you know what you're doing :)
[17:11] <hyperair> gnomefreak: ignoring the warning means signing consent to voiding your warranty
[17:11] <gnomefreak> jonpackard: bad bad assumtion
[17:11] <gnomefreak> jonpackard: new users dont know
[17:11] <gnomefreak> thats why the affectiveness of a warning ;)
[17:11] <hyperair> gnomefreak: put a warning into sudo and us "users for some time" will never forgive the debs
[17:11] <hyperair> *devs
[17:12] <gnomefreak> hyperair: i agree but we need a way to get people to read them IMHO
[17:12] <hyperair> wait. linux mint had an interesting way to do it
[17:12] <jonpackard> this is true.. but they can't have a warning for every harmful command a user might run as root
[17:12] <hyperair> there was a warning for sudo in linux mint
[17:12] <hyperair> if i'm not mistaken
[17:12] <hyperair> the first time you use sudo?
[17:12] <hyperair> or something?
[17:12] <gnomefreak> jonpackard: your right in the sence that it has to be separate
[17:12] <gnomefreak> sense
[17:12] <hyperair> i sudo -rm -rf a long of things you know
[17:13] <hyperair> and i don't appreciate a big fat warning littering my terminal
[17:13] <gnomefreak> all sudo operations could carry same warning as apt already does when changing somet hings
[17:13] <gnomefreak> somethings
[17:13] <hyperair> a first time warning would be good
[17:13] <hyperair> but not more than that
[17:13] <hyperair> but how would you implement that anyway?
[17:13] <gnomefreak> maybe make a way to togglee it off
[17:13] <gnomefreak> toggle
[17:14] <gnomefreak> woudl be done in sudo most likely unless its a simple line in terminal than terminal might beable to output it
[17:14] <gnomefreak> notice when you open terminal for first time it states what sudo is and how to use it
[17:15] <gnomefreak> sa,e concept
[17:15] <gnomefreak> same
[17:15] <hyperair> ah
[17:15] <hyperair> it does?
[17:15] <hyperair> okay
[17:15] <gnomefreak> yes gnome-term does
[17:15] <hyperair> i can't remember, because i've used my home directory for ages
[17:15] <hyperair> i even use it in archlinux
[17:15] <gnomefreak> it started in feisty or gutsy dont remember for sure
[17:16] <hyperair> i don't remember either
[17:39] <jonpackard> Is anybody else having problems with the 2.6.26-3-generic kernel? I'm running an intrepid guest in virtualbox and when I upgraded to kernel ﻿﻿﻿﻿2.6.26-3-generic I get kernel panics on every boot.
[17:44] <darthanubis> I can't get a tty with this .26 kernel
[17:44] <darthanubis> and the static sound is coming from esound/esd
[17:49] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: you didnt set it to alsa and see if it fixes it?
[17:49] <gnomefreak> and i dont have a problem getting a tty with .26-3
[17:49] <hyperair> isn't it pulseaudio?
[17:49] <darthanubis> pulse and alsa work
[17:49] <darthanubis> alsa the best
[17:49] <hyperair> hmm weird
[17:50] <darthanubis> I turned off system sound which seems determined to use esound
[17:50] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, which resolution are your ttys in?
[17:50] <gnomefreak> PA uses alsa i dont think ti will use anything else
[17:50] <darthanubis> I boot with 1024x748
[17:50] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: they are big but i still ge ta tty
[17:50] <gnomefreak> get a
[17:51] <gnomefreak> you said you dont get a tty
[17:51] <darthanubis> I just used startupmanager to set tty to 800x600
[17:51] <darthanubis> I oon't
[17:51] <darthanubis> that does not mean I don't know what the resolution is set at
[17:51] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: you dont get a tty but your ttys are set to 800x600?
[17:52] <darthanubis> no
[17:52] <gnomefreak> last thing to worry about is res of something you dont get
[17:52] <darthanubis> I just set them to 800x600, and have yet to reboot to see if that allows me to get a tty
[17:52] <gnomefreak> why reboot just use alt+cntl+F1 than same with f7 to get back
[17:53] <darthanubis> because that will not ensure change of the tty's resolution?
[17:53] <gnomefreak> this is assuming you have updated kernel and already rebooted into it
[17:53] <darthanubis> as above, I have yet to reboot
[17:53] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: the res isnt why you would be missing it
[17:54] <darthanubis> not my X res
[17:54] <darthanubis> the boot tty res
[17:54] <gnomefreak> the res shouldnt stop you from getting into it
[17:55] <gnomefreak> unless you arte getting an error and i highly doubt the res will affect you getting into a tty
[17:55] <darthanubis> what good is it to get into, and not be able to see text?
[17:55] <pheeror> kernel mode-setting ftw
[17:55] <darthanubis> all I get is a cursor in the upper left of the screen
[17:55] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: if you are not able to get into it the res isnt your problem
[17:56] <gnomefreak> who cares what size the res is if you cant open a tty it wouldnt matter if you cant se eit
[17:57] <gnomefreak> cursor doesnt mean you are in tty it should load to a login or atleast give you an error like a busybox error
[17:57] <darthanubis> I figured there is a tty there, I just can't see the text
[17:57] <darthanubis> now why would I not be able to see the text?
[17:57] <darthanubis> this has happened before
[17:57] <darthanubis> and changing the kernel video mode resolved the issue
[17:58] <darthanubis> I'm hoping it will this time as well
[17:58] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: because you are not getting a tty. do none of the ttys work? f1-f6?
[17:58] <darthanubis> none
[17:58] <gnomefreak> when you say fixed it. what kernel was it?
[17:59] <darthanubis> back when Hardy was alpha
[17:59] <gnomefreak> oh good ok
[17:59] <gnomefreak> i thought you meant with intrepid
[17:59] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: can you see if tty has processes open with ps aux
[18:00] <darthanubis> root      6797  0.0  0.0   3940   592 tty1     Ss+  02:45   0:00 /sbin/getty 384
[18:00] <darthanubis> all 6 of em
[18:00] <gnomefreak> ok darthanubis reboot them so it restarts them maybe you will get one
[18:01] <gnomefreak> some how i doubt it but try it
[18:01] <darthanubis> brb
[18:06]  * gnomefreak going to assume he didnt check for errors in one of the log files like kernel, syslog, dmesg or boot log files
[18:06] <gnomefreak> since they would give me errors for it i would think
[18:07] <gnomefreak> you would also thing a bzr error would send you to #bzr not #launchpad
[18:07] <gnomefreak> think\
[18:09] <darthanubis> no tty
[18:09] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: did you happen to look for errors in any of the log files
[18:09] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: syslog kernel dmesg or boot logs
[18:09] <darthanubis> and my iptables setting keep going back to some bogus policy that shuts me off from the web?
[18:09] <hyperair> try serial cable and tty into it from there =p
[18:10] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: try another way to set the iptables
[18:10] <gnomefreak> if doing it in term try using firestarter or vice versa
[18:11] <gnomefreak> assuming you are using root access of some kind
[18:12] <darthanubis> yeah I purged ufw and firestarter because I thought they were keeping old settings around
[18:12] <darthanubis> dunno why I have to keep setting them myself
[18:12] <darthanubis> I was ICS with my other box
[18:13] <darthanubis> I need a tty to try to compile my nvidia kernel
[18:13] <darthanubis> module
[18:13] <hyperair> what are your kernel options
[18:14] <darthanubis> nothing exotic or non-standard
[18:14] <hyperair> vga?
[18:14] <darthanubis> yes
[18:14] <hyperair> does it have a vga option?
[18:14] <hyperair> remove it
[18:14] <darthanubis> let me look
[18:15] <darthanubis> #/vmlinuz-2.6.26-3-server root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu-root ro splash vga=788
[18:16] <darthanubis> rm vga=788?
[18:17] <hyperair> yes
[18:17] <hyperair> just ro splash
[18:17] <hyperair> why's it commented?
[18:17] <hyperair> #?
[18:17] <darthanubis> to allow it to be sent via irc?;)
[18:18] <hyperair> lol
[18:18] <hyperair> i'd just space it
[18:18] <hyperair>  /lalala
[18:18] <hyperair> for example
[18:18] <hyperair> =p
[18:20]  * darthanubis rebooting
[18:21]  * G_009 secures coffee pot..  no more for you hyperair 
[18:28] <jonpackard> anybody running kernel 2.6.26.3 in virtualbox successfully?
[18:30] <darthanubis> well I got tty back!
[18:31] <darthanubis> will have to get this iptables garbage straightened out
[18:31] <darthanubis> what kind of policy DROPs everything?
[18:31] <gnomefreak> one that is not saving them
[18:32] <gnomefreak> i dont think ther eis any one that would cause that
[18:33] <darthanubis> going to see if I can get my nvidia driver working
[18:33] <darthanubis> I'm wireless so I have to start a gui seesion just so Networkmanager will get me online, then I can drop back to tty
[18:33] <darthanubis> thats annoying as well
[18:34] <hyperair> >=(
[18:34] <gnomefreak> networkmanager isnt gui just the applet is
[18:34]  * hyperair steals coffee pot from G_009
[18:34] <hyperair> wtf how did you know i'm a coffee addict!
[18:35] <gnomefreak> network-manager is cli thats why you get the messages when shutting down (or atleast used to) now you get them from rebooting shutting down from cli
[18:35] <G_009> it's not mine
[18:36] <hyperair> but you secured it
[18:36] <hyperair> now i've secured it
[18:36] <hyperair> >=D
[18:36] <G_009> that i did
[18:37]  * hyperair <3 coffee
[18:37]  * hyperair drinks coffee and goes hyper for the next 10 hours or so
[18:37] <darthanubis> gnomefreak: I have not found a network manager that is CLI
[18:37] <darthanubis> and my nvidia install failed
[18:38] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: network-manager the app is cli not gui
[18:38] <G_009> i made this coffee thing mix and now am insomniac
[18:38] <darthanubis> checking to see if I have the kernel headers
[18:38] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: just the applet is gui
[18:38] <darthanubis> I read that
[18:38] <hyperair> woo hoo insomniaism (if there's such a word) for the win
[18:38] <darthanubis> and network-manager I guessI don't have installed because whatever I have is looking to start gui
[18:39] <gnomefreak> you dont need the applet to run network-manager
[18:39] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: the applet is most likely
[18:39] <tetrismaster512> How possible is it for 8.10 to make a different way of installing software?
[18:39]  * gnomefreak thinks you are seeing something that is system wide wrong if this many things dont work
[18:39] <gnomefreak> tetrismaster512: anything is possible
[18:40] <darthanubis> I have network-config, and network-admin, but no "network-manager"
[18:40] <G_009> but my brain is looping thru a shutdown subprocess i cant kill-9
[18:40]  * G_009 zombies
[18:40] <tetrismaster512> I think that 8.10 needs to kill off softwre repos and make someting like PCBSD's .pbi installers
[18:40] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ policy network-manager
[18:40] <gnomefreak> network-manager: Installed: 0.6.6-0ubuntu7
[18:41] <darthanubis> no "network-manager" command found.
[18:41] <gnomefreak> tetrismaster512: put it in a blueprint but it wont happen the repos are there for a reason and will stay there for a lont time
[18:41] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: ah they changed it
[18:41] <tetrismaster512> It is hellish to install software on a no internet linux computer
[18:41] <gnomefreak> they must have forked a cli based one
[18:42] <gnomefreak> tetrismaster512: its not hard but alot more work, hint its hard to install anything without a network since you cant download anything
[18:43] <tetrismaster512> If you have another computer with interent it isn't
[18:43] <tetrismaster512> And I hate downloading .debs only to learn I missed one out of the dozens I had to get
[18:43] <gnomefreak> tetrismaster512: than what is your problem? complaining isnt a problem and needs to be moved to an -offtopic channel
[18:44] <jonpackard> the fun part is when the net-enabled PC has dependencies installed that are needed by the program you want that are not installed on the no-net PC
[18:44] <gnomefreak> if you read the pages on packages.ubuntu.com it tells you what deps you need to install first
[18:44] <tetrismaster512> anyway, how unstable is Intrepid Alpha?
[18:44] <gnomefreak> tetrismaster512: very
[18:45] <tetrismaster512> ah, how often does it crash?
[18:45] <gnomefreak> does what crash? you do know linux doesnt crash right?
[18:45] <G_009> how about a gnometris 3D for ibex.. that'd be rad
[18:45] <gnomefreak> tetrismaster512: a package crashes
[18:45] <gnomefreak> a great many crash
[18:45] <gnomefreak> but intrepid itself does not crash
[18:45] <gnomefreak> that would be a kernel panic
[18:46] <tetrismaster512> oh, so it's just unstable sogtware?
[18:47] <gnomefreak> tetrismaster512: yes but if you cant fix it and installing apps on a no net pc bothers you than my advice would be not to try it. but all depends what you are looking for. there isnt anything really new in it but alot of apps are broken
[18:47] <G_009> kernel 2.6.26 got ninjas hidden in subroutines
[18:47] <tetrismaster512> Hmm
[18:47] <gnomefreak> unstable has different meaning for everyone
[18:47] <gnomefreak> its not like debian unstable
[18:47] <tetrismaster512> I'll stick to mac os x
[18:48] <gnomefreak> hell debian testing is more stable than this
[18:48] <tetrismaster512> and for me unstable means not usable for everyday tasks
[18:48] <gnomefreak> tetrismaster512: thats what it is
[18:48] <gnomefreak> tetrismaster512: /topic says that already
[18:49] <tetrismaster512> okay, I might wait till beta
[18:49] <tetrismaster512> cause I use Fiesty fawn still
[18:50] <gnomefreak> hardy is stabel so is gutsy both are newer than feisty
[18:50] <gnomefreak> stable
[18:50] <tetrismaster512> I know, but my iMac rejects Hardy and I didn't want to waste mor CDs
[18:51] <darthanubis> anyone able to get the nvidia script installer to work?
[18:57] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: installing nvidia and redoing my xorg.conf got mine working fine
[18:57] <gnomefreak> the most of it was done fixing xorg
[18:57] <gnomefreak> xorg.conf
[19:08] <darthanubis> the nvidia package in the repos works?
[19:33] <cbr> (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_tls_Context)
[19:33] <cbr> (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[19:33] <cbr> after mesa upgrade
[19:35] <cbr> what to do?
[19:39] <jonpackard> reported bug 246067
[19:59] <cbr> after installing a new version of kde4 all settings went away...
[20:00] <cbr> please advise
[20:14] <pen> I hope intrepid would be better
[20:14] <pheeror> i will
[20:14] <pheeror> just because hardy sux :-D
[20:17] <molgrum> could anyone tip me to get a 8800GTS working on intrepid x86_64?
[20:18] <molgrum> the GLX i mean
[20:35] <jonpackard> ﻿cbr: have you tried deleting you .kde folders in your home directory? It will create new ones from /etc/skel - it should put everything back to defaults. You could alternativey create a temporary user and see if the problem is specific to your user or not.
[20:48] <jonpackard> speaking of KDE4.. has anybody tried installing it from synaptic? I get this error...
[20:48] <jonpackard> kde4-core:
[20:48] <jonpackard>  Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>=4:4.0.0) but it is not installable
[20:49] <jonpackard> it's like the package is just missing
[21:12] <jacob> anyone notice the lack of 3d in mesa, or might that be an -intel bug?
[21:15] <jacob> jonpackard: seems the latest kde4 updates are just not packaged yet
[21:29] <jonpackard> ﻿jacob: Thanks! I was wondering if I was doing something wrong. =)
[21:31] <jonpackard> It doesn't seem that the kde3 packages are there either.
[21:33] <jonpackard> looking at the repo.. it seems that KDE4 will be the standard for the next Kubuntu. I can't seem to find any mention of KDE3.
[23:06] <molgrum> gnash 0.8.3 planned for intrepid?
[23:14] <RAOF> molgrum: Planned - I don't think so.  I'll push to get it in, though, and it shouldn't be too hard to do so.
[23:15] <molgrum> afaik, it's way better than 0.8.2 regarding youtube and general flash applets
[23:31] <the_fafa> will the new or future installer be able to recognise a raid and to setup it?
[23:37] <jonpackard> ﻿the_fafa: RAID is already supported in the alternate install and server CDs. See ﻿https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation