[01:55] <ffm> Hey, I tried bzr push to a lp: and got:
[01:55] <ffm> bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir() 
[01:56] <Hobbsee> [10:44] <andrea-bs> 00:38:17> ScottWegner: you have to run bzr launchpad-login
[01:56] <Hobbsee> ffm: ^
[01:56] <Hobbsee> [10:44] <ScottWegner> 00:41:29> hmmm, it looks like I don't even have launchpad-login command on this laptop-- does anybody know what packages it's in, offhand?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> [10:44] <andrea-bs> 00:41:56> ScottWegner: which version of bzr do you have?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> [10:44] <ScottWegner> 00:42:22> 1.3.1-1ubuntu0.1, from the repos
[01:57] <Hobbsee> [10:44] <andrea-bs> 00:42:46> oh, it's quite old; you have to use bzr+ssh
[01:57] <ffm> Hobbsee: No, I have it.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> [10:44] <andrea-bs> 00:43:38> ScottWegner: bzr push bzr+ssh://username@bazaar.launchpad.net/~team/project/branch
[01:57] <ffm> Hobbsee: howevre, I get bzr: ERROR: Target directory lp:~ffm/pyroom/proper-theme-paths already exists, but does not have a valid .bzr directory. Supply --use-existing-dir to push there anyway.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> (was asked ~10 hours ago)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> strange.  i presume you want to redo the bzr directory there, or something.  i don't know.
[01:58] <ffm> Hobbsee: this is an init push;.
[01:58] <Hobbsee> poolie: can you help?
[01:59] <mwhudson> ffm: that's pretty odd
[02:01] <poolie> Hobbsee: hi
[02:02] <mwhudson> ffm: did you manage to push your branch ?
[02:02] <poolie> ffm, if you don't have launchpad-login using ssh is a direct substitute
[02:02] <ffm> mwhudson: I _think_ so.
[02:02] <mwhudson> it looks ok to me
[02:02] <poolie> does it work if you do use --use-existing-dir?
[02:02] <ffm> poolie: yeah
[02:03] <poolie> that's kind of odd
[02:03] <poolie> this can occur if you interrupt bzr in the middle of an initial push
[02:03] <poolie> so it's made the directory but can't really see it's a bzr directory
[03:08] <mib> hi.
[03:09] <mib> can someone update the repository for R package to 2.7.1 which is the latest one?
[03:09] <mib> thanks
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ?
[03:12] <mib> yea
[03:12] <mib> hobbsee
[03:12]  * Hobbsee suggests fail on multiple levele.s
[03:12] <Hobbsee> er, levels
[03:12]  * Hobbsee advocates reading the topic?
[03:12] <mib> ??
[03:12] <Hobbsee> which repository?
[03:13] <mib> R
[03:13] <mib> rbase
[03:14] <RAOF> That's a software package, not a repository.  Also, this doesn't seem very relevant to launchpad.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> and whatever it is, it's not in ubuntu either.
[03:17] <Peng> He's referring to http://www.r-project.org/
[03:17] <RAOF> mib: Aaah.  I see.  R version 2.7.1 is available in the current development release of Ubuntu (Intrepid).
[03:18] <RAOF> So, since this is an Ubuntu issue, it's off-topic for #launchpad.  But what you probably want to do is to request that this package gets backported.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> either way a) this is the wrong place, b) it's already there, and c) a package is not a repository, nor vice versa.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> and d) if the topic doesn't mention something related to ubuntu, apart from where the logs are, it's *probably* not where you're looking for.
[03:20] <RAOF> mib: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#How%20to%20request%20new%20packages is what you're after.
[03:24] <poolie> hello Hobbsee btw
[03:24] <mib> RAOF,Hobb: do you mean 2.7.1 is available in Hardy but not in 6.06?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hey poolie!
[03:25] <mib> in this case, i need to request the package to be installed in the specific release of ubuntu?
[03:25] <Peng> Is 6.06 even maintained anymore?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> mib: no.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Peng: yes.
[03:25] <RAOF> mib: No.  I mean 2.7.1 is available in Intrepid but not 8.04 (Hardy) or 6.06 (Dapper)
[03:25]  * Peng forgets how the LTS thing works.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> [12:17] <RAOF> mib: Aaah.  I see.  R version 2.7.1 is available in the current development release of Ubuntu (Intrepid).
[03:25] <Peng> Really long-term, then?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> nowhere does that mention it being available in hardy.
[03:25] <mib> oh.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Peng: yeah - 3 years on desktop, 5 on server.
[03:26] <mib> btw, what is intrepid
[03:26] <mib> kinda noob in this thing
[03:26] <mib> sorry
[03:26] <Peng> mib: The next release of Ubuntu.
[03:26] <Peng> (It's in development.)
[03:26]  * Hobbsee suggests reading the part that she *just* quoted again.
[03:26] <mib> ohh
[03:28] <RAOF> The backport advice stands, however.
[03:29] <Peng> Dapper has version 2.2.1.. They probably won't backport it, right?
[03:30] <mib> dapper has 2.5.1
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Peng: they can stick it in the unofficial backports, if it builds and doesn't require much other stuff to also be backported
[03:31] <Peng> Oh.
[03:31] <mib> but certain packages only supported by 2.7.1
[03:31] <Hobbsee>     r-base |    2.2.1-2 | dapper/universe | source, all
[03:31] <RAOF> Right.  And this is where you get to choose between "stable" and "new".
[03:31]  * Hobbsee has no idea how mib qualifies his statement.
[03:32] <mib> well, i want to use this bioconductor package
[03:32] <RAOF> It's not 2.5.1 in backports?
[03:32] <mib> and in order to use this package, they onl work with 2.7.1 of R
[03:32] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i thought rmadison showed backports
[03:32] <Hobbsee> mib: no, the one about dapper having 2.5.1
[03:33] <RAOF> mib: If youv'e got 2.5.1 you may be using Gutsy (7.10).
[03:33] <mib> oops..
[03:33] <mib> my mistakes.
[03:33] <mib> im using gutsy
[03:33] <mib> so *blur*
[03:34] <mib> http://www.bioconductor.org/News/2008-05-01-Release
[03:34] <mib> sorry guys
[03:35] <mib> yeah..i tried on another pc of mine using hardy
[03:35] <RAOF> And that will have 2.6.2.
[03:35] <RAOF> We know.
[03:35] <mib> okie
[03:36] <RAOF> If you would like to have 2.7.1 available in an unsupported repository, follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#How%20to%20request%20new%20packages is what you're after.
[03:36] <RAOF> Failing that, I suggest #ubuntu is a more appropriate support channel.
[03:36] <mib> yeah.
[03:36] <RAOF> Or launchpad.net/answers
[03:36] <mib> i have requested just a min ago
[03:42] <mib> thanks
[06:45] <Peng> jml: So...bzr+http branches should start working again soon?
[06:46] <jml> Peng: I hope so.
[06:48] <Peng> jml: But nosmart+http will be used, right?
[06:49] <jml> Peng: no, we're turning that off.
[06:49] <Peng> So it'll really use bzr+http?
[06:49]  * Peng gets confused.
[06:49] <jml> Peng: it'll use http and let the server figure it out
[06:49] <Peng> Yay. :)
[06:50] <jml> Peng: but! the underlying bug that caused us to switch to using nosmart+ in the first place still hasn't been fixed.
[06:50] <Peng> What will happen then?
[06:52]  * jml takes a step back.
[06:53] <jml> Peng: when (if) that cherrypick lands, bzr+http branches won't mirror.
[06:53] <jml> Peng: however, I hope that this will be fixed at the next release.
[06:54] <jml> which is about a week away.
[06:54] <Peng> Okay.
[06:56] <jml> Peng: basically, switching to nosmart+ exposed another, more severe bug in bzr and so we're switching back.
[06:58] <Peng> nice
[07:00] <mwhudson> bzr branch nosmart+<http url that redirects> explodes
[07:19] <Peng> Awesome. Shouldn't nosmart+ be simple enough that that's impossible?
[07:19] <mwhudson> it looks a bit like bzr's handling of redirects is just clever enough to be stupid
[07:19] <mwhudson> spiv: did you see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/245964 yet?
[07:20] <spiv> mwhudson: yeah
[07:20] <spiv> Ooh, my left mouse button is starting to misbehave.
[07:20]  * mwhudson changes the summary of that bug
[07:21] <spiv> I saw abentley chatting with you about it on #bzr too, I think.
[07:21] <Peng> spiv: What type of mouse?
[07:21] <spiv> Peng: trackpad in laptop.
[07:21] <Peng> Oh.
[07:21] <spiv> :)
[07:21] <Peng> How easy will it be to replace?
[07:22] <mwhudson> spiv: ah good
[07:22] <mwhudson> spiv: it seems the code in do_catching_redirections in bzrdir.py to see if the end of the path bzr is being redirected to is the same as the end of the path bzr asked for is a bit screwy
[07:22] <spiv> Peng: probably not very.  The laptop isn't exactly new, anyway.
[07:23] <Peng> That's good.
[07:23] <spiv> mwhudson: sounds likely.  You should make that observation in the bug comments :)
[07:23] <mwhudson> yeah
[07:50] <Hobbsee> how do i unsubscribe someone from a bug now?
[07:51] <Hobbsee> is it possible?
[07:53] <Hobbsee> right, i'm told i have to hit "subscribe yourself" to unsubscribe a team you belong to.  okay then...
[07:53] <persia> It's decidedly nonintuitive
[07:54] <Hobbsee> moreso than usual, too
[07:54] <Hobbsee> ah well
[07:55] <spiv> Hobbsee: or you can go to Subscribe "Someone else", then there's a "Subscribe/Unsubscribe" link (for yourself/your team) in the portlet on that page.
[07:55] <Hobbsee> spiv: tried that.  there isn't, anymore.
[07:55] <Hobbsee> spiv: (are you using edge)?
[07:55] <spiv> Hobbsee: Hmm, I'm looking right at it
[07:55] <spiv> yes
[07:56] <Hobbsee> spiv: want a screenshot of what i get?
[07:56] <spiv> Maybe I'm special because I'm a ~launchpad-dev person, or something.
[07:56] <Hobbsee> probably
[07:57] <ion_> Any comments about https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+spec/base-36-bug-ids?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> spiv: http://hobbsee.com/tmp/launchpad.png is all i get on that screen
[08:02] <spiv> Hobbsee: um, I see a "Subscribe/Unsubscribe" link in tha screenshot
[08:03] <Hobbsee> spiv: oh, so do you have to go through two menu options to get to the unsubscribe section now?  if you start via subscribing someone else?
[08:04] <spiv> Hobbsee: I have no idea what the intended UI design is, I just happened to notice that link. :)
[08:04] <Hobbsee> spiv: that link apperas to take you to the standard "subscribe yourself" screen.
[08:08] <spiv> Hobbsee: it's probably time to ignore my random misguided observations and file a bug :)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> spiv: heh.  thanks for your help :)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> spiv: i think they are aware it's all different, and difficult to understand.
[08:09] <Hobbsee> it just means more people coming in here asking how do to do something they could do with no problems a month ago
[08:10] <Peng> mwhudson: Bug 245964's title is messed up now -- "interacts redirects".
[08:10] <Hobbsee> (so they can still get their regular stuff done, without searching for a while about where a particular option has moved to now)
[08:10] <mwhudson> Peng: oops
[08:12] <mwhudson> Peng: it's "nosmart+http interacts badly with http redirects" now
[08:12] <Peng> :)
[09:10] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:12] <Hobbsee> hey mpt!
[09:13] <mpt> If you can read this, I have convinced this laptop to start up
[09:13] <Hobbsee> indeed!  well done!
[09:34] <siretart> mwhudson: hi there. any chance you could import a non-trunk svn branch? question #38158 has the background
[10:58] <mrevell> \sh: ping
[11:27] <\sh> mrevell: pong
[11:27] <mrevell> hi \sh
[11:56] <Stavros> hello
[11:57] <Stavros> can i push some code to my branch without my public key (i don't have it on hand here)?
[11:58] <Peng> no
[11:58] <Stavros> the only way i can push code is with an ssh key?
[11:58] <Peng> For whatever reason, LP doesn't do password auth with SSH.
[11:58] <Peng> AFAIK, yes.
[11:58] <Stavros> ah, thanks
[11:59] <Stavros> can i move a milestone to another series, or delete the milestone or a series?
[13:05] <Tirion> Hello! Can anyone help me with registering project on Launchpad?
[13:09] <Peng> I probably can't, but what's going on?
[13:09] <sivang> hi all
[13:09] <Hobbsee> heya sivang!
[13:09] <sivang> Hobbsee: hi there Sara
[13:09] <sivang> Hobbsee: how are you doing ?
[13:10] <Hobbsee> sivang: with an h!
[13:11] <Tirion> Peng, how can I create project with four or five developers? May be it must be a team? But how can I connect team with project?
[13:11] <Hobbsee> sivang: doing OK - trying to find out who's done this gorgeous wallpaper on one of the intrepid wiki pages
[13:11] <Peng> Tirion: I have no idea, but it should be obvious enough. Create your project, create your team, and assign the team as the owner of the project or something.
[13:12] <sivang> i wonder if someone could tell me if launchpad qa vacancy  is still relevant (the ad is still online) as i've sent my application 2 days ago and want to know if i should expect a response or so.
[13:13] <LarstiQ> sivang: you know there's a weekend inbetween? :)
[13:15] <sivang> LarstiQ: sure :) it's just hit me that it might be already too late, i just wanted to make sure 
[13:16] <LarstiQ> sivang: that I do not know, but I'd expect to hear that from whomever you sent it to in due time?
[13:18] <andrea-bs> Tirion: maybe this can help you: https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/Registering
[13:23] <Tirion> andrea-bs, I've read it. This text : To register a project group, file a support request with the Launchpad team.
[13:24] <andrea-bs> Tirion: warning: a project group is not a team
[13:24] <andrea-bs> Tirion: Some larger free software projects are actually several related projects working under the same banner. For example: Firefox is part of the Mozilla project. Launchpad represents these as projects (Firefox) and project groups (Mozilla). 
[13:25] <andrea-bs> Tirion: here you can read how to create a team: https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/CreatingAndRunning ;)
[13:25] <Tirion> Oh sorry. And what do I need?
[13:27] <sivang> LarstiQ: probably
[13:27] <andrea-bs> Tirion: you have to create a project, then a team and to link them you should read here and choose whatever you prefer: https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/Registering#Roles%20within%20projects
[13:28] <Tirion> andrea-bs, thank you.
[13:28] <andrea-bs> Tirion: you are welcome :)
[14:01] <siretart> does the vcs-importer support svn:externals nowadays?
[14:26]  * Yhouse e' away (Sto andando via)
[14:33] <Snaggen> Any member of the VCSImport team here?
[16:10] <Blingham> Good morning all - I've searched through the LP website, and all of it's answers/help/FAQ topics, and was wondering if someone could help me with a very simple question with regard to the bugs.launchpad.net mailing list for Ubuntu, that I just can't seem to find an answer to?
[16:14] <andrea-bs> Blingham: are you talking about the list desktop-bugs? https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[16:20] <Blingham> andrea-bs: that is EXACTLY what I was looking for.  I knew I had come to the right place.. Thanks!
[16:21] <andrea-bs> Blingham: you are welcome :)
[19:01] <tsoiland> How often is the staging server reset?
[19:02] <Peng> I'm pretty sure it says somewhere.
[19:02] <Peng> Daily maybe?
[19:04] <tsoiland> I hope so. I changed my password on launchpad, and It seems I have to wait for the reset before I can log in to staging with the new password.
[22:26] <newz2000> hi, lemon and I are trying to figure out how to colloborate on code in launchpad
[22:26] <newz2000> he created a branch from my code and now wants to publish changes
[22:26] <Peng> He could push to his own branch and you could merge it.
[22:27] <lemon> well, I've never user bazaar before
[22:27] <Peng> Or you could create a team for yourselves and create a shared branch.
[22:27] <newz2000> it is a shared branch under ubuntu-website
[22:27] <newz2000> I think
[22:27] <newz2000> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~newz/ubuntu-website/start-page
[22:27] <lemon> I did what under svn is a checkout :-)
[22:27] <Peng> Unless ~newz is a team, not so much.
[22:27] <newz2000> ah, bummer
[22:27]  * newz2000 is learning too
[22:28] <lemon> so, I got a copy on my local computer and modified it there...
[22:28] <newz2000> can I make it a shared branch for him to merge into?
[22:28] <wgrant> newz2000: YOu could transfer the branch ownership to a team.
[22:28] <wgrant> Note that that will change the URL.
[22:29] <newz2000> wgrant: will that be the best in the long run?
[22:29] <wgrant> newz2000: Unless you want to manually merge every change, yes.
[22:29] <newz2000> (more people will be working on this)
[22:30] <wgrant> This is good.
[22:30] <wgrant> Has somebody fixed the focus yet?
[22:30] <newz2000> not sure what the focus is
[22:31] <lemon> Must go to get something to dinner. Will leave this open and try to read what you decide later.
[22:31] <wgrant> The start page's search box steals (or stole, until I changed it because it was so annoying) focus.
[22:31] <newz2000> ok, I'll let you know lemon, thanks
[22:31] <newz2000> wgrant: yes, actually, lemon has done that
[22:31] <wgrant> Wonderful.
[22:31] <newz2000> well, fixed it so it happens instantly rather than delayed after 2-3 seconds
[22:32] <wgrant> That is my largest gripe with a fresh 8.04.1 installation yesterday.
[22:32] <wgrant> Arrrgh.
[22:32] <wgrant> We have a perfectly good search box in Firefox already!
[22:32] <lemon> focus stealing is always very irritating
[22:32] <newz2000> there are other forces at work
[22:32] <wgrant> If we need a special searchbox on our start page, it should be in Firefox instead.
[22:32] <newz2000> so it's "less annoying" now
[22:34] <newz2000> I think for now I'd like to keep ownership since I don't know what team should own it.
[22:34] <newz2000> So lemon should create his own branch and publish it there, then I'll merge his copy to mine?
[22:34] <wgrant> OK, so lemon will have to push to his own branch.
[22:34] <wgrant> Right.
[22:34] <wgrant> He'll push to ~hisusername/ubuntu-website/something
[22:34] <newz2000> ok, got it
[22:34] <wgrant> And you can `bzr merge lp:~hisusername/ubuntu-website/something`, then commit.
[22:36] <newz2000> so lemon, when you're back, do bzr push lp:~lemon/ubuntu-website/start-page and then ping me (replace ~lemon with ~your-username)
[22:36] <newz2000> thanks for the help wgrant
[22:36] <wgrant> np
[22:54] <lemon> hi again newz2000
[22:54] <newz2000> hey lemon
[22:54] <lemon> can't do it right now as I'm not on the computer where I did the changes
[22:54] <lemon> but I take note and will do it tomorrow morning
[22:55] <newz2000> ok. I'm going to forward details to the mailing list too since others will be working on this. Thanks a bunch for your help!
[23:27] <zyx386> hi
[23:28] <zyx386> everyone from translation team ?