[03:05] <fulat2k> hi folks, any idea why i'm getting BUG: unable to handle kernel msg after a dist-upgrade?
[03:07] <RAOF> A bug?
[03:09] <RAOF> fulat2k: For a more useful answer, you'd need to provide some more useful information (where does this message appear.  When does this message appear.  Context of message, etc).
[03:21] <fulat2k> RAOF: message appears upon boot; after grub.  does this bug qualify if i run it under VirtualBox? :)
[03:21] <RAOF> Yes.
[03:22] <RAOF> It's either a VirtualBox bug, or an Intrepid bug.
[03:22] <RAOF> s/Intrepid/Intrepid kernel/
[03:26] <fulat2k> RAOF: i'm getting "kernel panic - not syncing: fatal exception in interrupt"
[03:26] <RAOF> Right, it's a _serious_ bug somewhere.
[03:27] <RAOF> I'm not sure what else you'd like me to say :)
[03:27] <fulat2k> RAOF: no doubt about that :D
[03:31] <fulat2k> RAOF: off to launchpad...
[04:06] <alex_mayorga> hi, I'd like to get the new pidgin release that for some reason is slow on getting to hardy. Is it at least a bit safe to jump into the Ibex?
[04:06] <jbroome> i had a pidgin update in hardy a couple of days ago
[04:07] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Why do you think the new pidgin release is going to get to hardy _at all_?
[04:07] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, because of the bug report I saw
[04:07] <hyperair> what bug report
[04:08] <Hobbsee> intrepid is not safe.  there's still no X for a whole chunk of people
[04:09] <hyperair> like me T_T
[04:09] <alex_mayorga> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/pidgin/+bug/244591 maybe I got lost at some point anyway
[04:09] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Those silly people reliant on proprietary drivers :)
[04:09] <RAOF> Oh, that one.
[04:09] <hyperair> RAOF: i heard that >=(
[04:10] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, I don't use proprietary drivers, can I jump in? :)
[04:10] <RAOF> hyperair: !nouveau :P
[04:10]  * hyperair wants 3d support!
[04:10] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: It's not guaranteed not to eat your children.
[04:10] <hyperair> !nouveau
[04:10]  * RAOF has 3d support. Ish.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yeah, exactly.
[04:10] <hyperair> i'm using nvidia geforce4 mx 440
[04:10] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, got no children, yet... so what the heck :)
[04:10] <hyperair> in case you forgot
[04:10] <hyperair> nv18 has no 3d
[04:10] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, any "upgrade path" I should test?
[04:11] <RAOF> Right.  And probably won't have for some time.
[04:11] <hyperair> see what i mean?
[04:11] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: "update-manager -d"?
[04:11]  * hyperair glares
[04:11] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, thanks I'll give that a shot
[04:11] <RAOF> hyperair: This isn't to say that you have a _choice_.
[04:11] <hyperair> i do actually
[04:11] <alex_mayorga> so pidgin 2.4.3 is not comming to hardy then?
[04:11] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Again, don't be terribly surprised when it turns your computer into a flaming husk of evil.
[04:11] <hyperair> i can sit aruond in archlinux and this channel until i hear news that nvidia is back in intrepid
[04:12] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: No.  A one or two line patch will be applied to pidgin in Hardy.
[04:12] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, that's the whole point of release early/often right?
[04:13] <alex_mayorga> hyperair, how do you like arch? I keep hearing of it all over in the local GULs
[04:13] <alex_mayorga> any chance an "in-flux" ubuntu would ever be created?
[04:13] <RAOF> You mean the equivalent of Debian Testing?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> RAOF: it's already applied to hardy.
[04:14] <Hobbsee>     pidgin | 1:2.4.1-1ubuntu2.1 | hardy-updates | source, amd64, i386 <-- fixed version.
[04:14] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, I guess
[04:16] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, I've got a Radeon Xpress 1100 here, anything particularly ugly I should be aware of?
[04:17] <RAOF> It might not work?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> it's likely to eat your toes?
[04:17] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, any buggers already discovered?
[04:18] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: In particular, the whole X stack is currently in a bit of flux; we've just got a new libdrm and (substantially new) mesa, and a new X is sitting in NEW.
[04:18] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: No idea.  I'm not launchpad.net :)
[04:18] <RAOF> My knowledge of X bugs is limited to nouveau :P
[04:19] <alex_mayorga> fair enough
[04:21] <hyperair> what do you mean in-flux?
[04:21] <RAOF> hyperair: changing.
[04:21] <hyperair> umm like rolling release?
[04:22] <alex_mayorga> yeah, we need rubuntu :)
[04:22] <hyperair> lol
[04:22] <Hobbsee> RAOF: oh, sweet.  i hadn't realised that was done nwo
[04:22] <hyperair> i'm all for a rolling release ubuntu
[04:22] <hyperair> but i think it would affect ubuntu's stability adversely.
[04:22] <RAOF> hyperair: No, like "substantially different new packages are being uploaded".
[04:22] <alex_mayorga> hyperair, lets create it on  launchpad
[04:22] <hyperair> i see
[04:23] <RAOF> Such as the xorg-server 1.5 RC.
[04:23] <RAOF> And a mesa RC.  And the new libdrm release.
[04:23] <hyperair> alex_mayorga: if you want a rolling release ubuntu, it'd be ubuntu+1 actually
[04:23] <hyperair> it's just unstable as hell
[04:24] <RAOF> These things are at the bottom of your (well, not yours, because you're a filthy-nvidia-driver-using-heathen ;)) graphics stack.  As such, breakage here results in pain.
[04:24]  * hyperair glares at RAOF
[04:24] <hyperair> rub it in will you
[04:25] <RAOF> :P
[04:25] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, video is overrated :P
[04:25] <hyperair> RAOF: here, have a cup of hate.
[04:25] <alex_mayorga> CLI FTW
[04:25] <hyperair> mmhmm. i remember watching code geass with mplayer and -vo fbdev
[04:25]  * RAOF looks forward to nouveau getting magically faster by being built against 1.5, with it's shiny new faster EXA.
[04:26]  * hyperair looks forward to nvidia working on ubuntu again
[04:26] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, I guess the release notes bug is already reported, right? LOL
[04:26] <RAOF> hyperair: Have I pointed you at the patch that makes nvidia build against Intrepid yet?
[04:27] <hyperair> RAOF: yes, and i've also pointed out that i require 96.43.05
[04:27] <hyperair> or one of the 96.xx.xx drivers
[04:27] <RAOF> Bah!  How do you expect me to remember such details?! :)
[04:27] <RAOF> Incidentally, it seems that nvidia have broken compatibility _again_, so we may have _4_ separate nvidia-glx packages in Intrepid.
[04:27]  * hyperair points up at the part where i pointed out i was using nv18
[04:28] <hyperair> FOUR FRIGGING NVIDIA PACKAGE
[04:28] <hyperair> S
[04:28] <alex_mayorga> ditch nvidia already
[04:28]  * hyperair wants to grill nvidia
[04:28] <RAOF> -legacy, -new-legacy, -glx, -glx-new :)
[04:28] <alex_mayorga> go intel accross the board
[04:29] <RAOF> I contend that we will eventially have a nvidia-glx-legacy-new-legacy-new-legacy package.
[04:29] <hyperair> alex_mayorga: dude. my card is frigging old, and so is my mobo. an upgrade to my GPU will require an upgrade to my mobo, because this one doesn't have pci2 or whatever is needed for new gpus. an upgrade to my mobo will require an upgrade to my CPU, which uses the old slot (p4). it will also require an upgrade to my RAM, which are DDR1.
[04:29] <hyperair> and then possibly my hard disks becaue they're ide
[04:30] <hyperair> and then possibly my dvd and cd drives, because they're also ide
[04:30] <hyperair> put together, i think i'll just get a new computer when this one dies.
[04:30] <hyperair> it's cheaper
[04:30] <alex_mayorga> hyperair, get an eeePC :)
[04:30] <RAOF> Yup.
[04:30] <RAOF> Incidentally, you can get quite new AGP cards from ATI.
[04:31] <hyperair> i will _not_ settle for a such a low-spec'd computer
[04:31] <hyperair> RAOF: i've been wondering, catalyst is the proprietary driver right? does it support all cards? with 2d and 3d support?
[04:31] <RAOF> I think it does, yes.
[04:31] <hyperair> so catalyst is like nvidia's blob?
[04:32] <hyperair> except that it supports every ati card that existed?
[04:32] <hyperair> and catalyst would be what, fglrx?
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> hyperair, I've come to a point where "the net is the putter" for me; so I can go as low spec'd as it can be
[04:32] <RAOF> Not quite.  The difference being: when they drop old cards we don't have to care, because the open-source driver does everything fglrx does.
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> as long as I've got a big "tube"
[04:33] <hyperair> alex_mayorga: i'd like to have a computer that is at least at the same level as my current.
[04:33] <hyperair> alex_mayorga: 17" screen here. i can't stand eeePC's tiny screen.
[04:33] <hyperair> i also abuse my hard disk
[04:33] <hyperair> watch a lot of anime
[04:33] <RAOF> I think that fglrx dropped support for r100 and r200 cards recently, but noone cared because their open-source 3d is of comparable quality.
[04:33] <hyperair> so eeePC is out of the question for me
[04:34] <hyperair> RAOF: have you seen the dell display 15?
[04:34] <hyperair> it's got an ati mobility radeon hd 3450 or something like that
[04:34] <hyperair> i heard it's got support by radeonhd but no 3d.
[04:34] <hyperair> what about catalyst?
[04:34] <RAOF> Yah, it'll have catalyst support.
[04:35] <hyperair> woo hoo
[04:35] <hyperair> in that case maybe i'll get that =\
[04:35] <RAOF> It'll be supported by radeon, too (and probably with better support, because radeon doesn't feel compelled to re-write the bios).
[04:35] <RAOF> But again, not 3d quite yet.
[04:35] <hyperair> wtf rewrite the bios?
[04:36] <hyperair> so it flashes the mobo with a new bios or what?
[04:37] <RAOF> That's the whole AtomBios saga - radeon (and fglrx) use the card's bios to say "initialise yourself", radeonhd (used to) try to do that work itself, by poking appropriate registers.
[04:38] <RAOF> Incidentally, nouveau does the same thing with the nvidia cards.
[04:39] <RAOF> It's not flashing the bios, or changing anything on the card; it's using the functions of the bios, rather than trying to reimplement them.
[04:40] <hyperair> so radeonhd reimplements the functions of the bios?
[04:40] <RAOF> Yes.
[04:40] <hyperair> meh what thehell
[04:40] <RAOF> This meant that it took them ages to support new cards, whereas it took radeon a day to support the new cards.
[04:40] <hyperair> i see.
[04:41] <hyperair> damn.
[04:41] <RAOF> They've revisited this decision and are now moving to use the AtomBios stuff.
[04:41] <alex_mayorga> when is the tiny new laptop from dell being released?
[04:42] <jbroome> alex_mayorga: dunno, but it is releveant to my interests
[04:44] <alex_mayorga> jbroome, it should be cheaper than an iPhone I believe, right?
[04:44] <hyperair> wait. a laptop cheaper than a phone? this gotta be interesting.
[04:44] <jbroome> dunno
[04:45] <RAOF> That doesn't seem unlikely.  iPhones are going for AUD$730 for the 8Gb version.  I reckon you could grab a (pretty crappy) laptop for that.
[04:46] <hyperair> 1k for a laptop? O_o
[04:46] <hyperair> sorry
[04:46] <hyperair> i'm thinking in MYR
[04:48] <alex_mayorga> I guess ubuntu for the iPhone is not too far fetched is it?
[04:48] <jbroome> yes
[04:48] <alex_mayorga> if only steevo would let the keys of the kingdom loose somewhere :)
[04:49] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, do the devs care about forums posts like this one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=850183 at all?
[04:50] <RAOF> Almost all devs will never even _see_ such posts.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> or the forum in general.
[04:51] <RAOF> Indeed.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> better that it goes on the ideastorm site
[04:52] <Hobbsee> seeing as that tends to work better
[04:52] <RAOF> And I'd wager that even the devs who _do_ read the forums will generally only skim the Intrepid section.
[04:52] <alex_mayorga> so bug reports it is?
[04:52] <RAOF> Bug reports work well for bugs, yes.
[04:53]  * Hobbsee skims the intrepid section
[04:53] <Hobbsee> i should really subscribe to intrepid-changes sometime.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> trouble with teh forums is that usually they do things like pulling software from elsewhere, pulling firmware from elsewhere, or just massively changing configs, which makes it very hard to track anything down.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> so most of what they report is useless, in terms of bugs, as their issues can't be reproduced.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> which is why so few people look at them, i suspect.
[04:59] <RAOF> And the signal-to-noise for feature requests is usually pretty poor, too.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> and they're just bad at staying on topic.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> as for why they keep posting stuff about the hardy point release in the intrepid forums, i've got nfi...
[05:00] <RAOF> Hm.  We seem to have some DRI2 headers in intrepid.  I wonder how nouveau's DRI2 gallium is coming along...
[06:36] <SwedeMike> I have problem with the stock hardy kernel. I have compiled a 2.6.26-rc8 kernel that seems to be stable for me (I have kernel oops in 2.6.24), but sound doesn't work. Would an intrepid kernel work for me? I would like to alpha/beta test intrepid kernel for stability on my via motherboard, but would like to avoid doing a complete install.
[11:35] <BUGabundo_work1> hi
[11:35] <BUGabundo_work1> is tseliot around?
[12:55] <theunixgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Desktop_Background_Submissions
[12:56] <theunixgeek> The only good one here is the Sunny Ibex
[12:56] <theunixgeek> Frankly it's the only usable one :P
[12:57] <theunixgeek> The other ones just look bad.
[12:57] <theunixgeek> Except for the ones at the bottom
[12:58] <Hobbsee> wow, i like the abstraction one
[12:58] <theunixgeek> I think that person's recommnedation is awesome having some alternate wallpapers
[13:01]  * Hobbsee wonders where to get a higher resolution version fo that
[13:20] <Hobbsee> ah ha.  i think i found the guy that put it up
[16:58] <null_vector> Who can I talk to about nvidia issues on intrepid?  I can file a bug now but all it will say is it doesn't work.  Nothing shows up in the X log.
[16:59] <hyperair> me.
[16:59] <hyperair> nvidia's default driver won't compile in intrepid's kernel
[16:59] <hyperair> also there are changes being done to lrm
[17:00] <hyperair> so currently intrepid is effectively nvidia-less
[17:01] <null_vector> ah, that would be why I couldn't get any info from the X log. The driver isn't really present.
[17:01] <hyperair> yes
[17:01] <hyperair> try sudo modprobe nvidia
[17:02] <null_vector> Alright.  I thought I remembered it complaining in the X log if the module wasn't loaded/loadable but that may have been fglrx
[17:03] <null_vector> At work right now, I'll check it out when I get home.
[17:08] <hyperair> ah i see
[17:31] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[17:31] <pheeror> hey
[17:32] <pheeror> sh*t, i'm still getting the same boot time kernel problem
[17:32] <s0u][ight> is there some kind of script to upgrade to this version of ubuntu allready?
[17:32] <pheeror> there is rewritten on-screen log http://pastebin.com/m1dbb7539
[17:32] <daekdroom> s0u][ight, run update-manager -d using sudo
[17:33] <hyperair> noneed sudo
[17:33] <s0u][ight> how stable is it?
[17:33] <hyperair> just update-manager -d will do
[17:33] <hyperair> it'll automatically gksudo you
[17:33] <pheeror> inode 4489217 is linked by /lib and working fine if i boot from the .24 kernel
[17:34] <s0u][ight> for the dev guys i have something to say
[17:34] <s0u][ight> plz fix the touchpad thing so i don't have to use 2 bootparameters
[17:34] <daekdroom> s0u][ight, It's very unstable.
[17:34] <pheeror> I've also tried recompile the ubuntu kernel with the gcc 4.1 but the bug is still there
[17:34] <pheeror> any thoughts? thx
[22:12] <sleepster> what's the most stable X window system?
[23:40] <RAOF> Heh.  I see the X breakage is in full swing now :)
[23:46] <ikonia> RAOF: it certainly is
[23:48] <RAOF> I wonder if the nvidia driver even loads against the new ABI.
[23:48] <RAOF> I think it might; Fedora have been shipping a 1.5 pre-release for some time.
[23:49] <RAOF> Mmm, shiny, shiny new EXA.
[23:55] <gnomefreak> its due to -core
[23:56] <gnomefreak> xserver-xorg-core is cause of X breakage
[23:56] <gnomefreak> i will speak to timo to find out when fixed
[23:57] <ikonia> RAOF: it doesnt work properly