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| pwnguin | ScottK: it's my intuition that releasing 8.04 on time was imperative in "proving" that the cycle worked; certainly shuttleworth couldn't have written a slightly daring piece declaring victory for the schedule and asking other distros to try it | 01:30 |
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| pwnguin | ScottK: a more comprehensive review of the SRUs for hardy might demonstrate the point; I know some people irate about the kernel scheduler | 01:35 |
| ScottK | pwnguin: I won't speculate in advance of the facts. I think additional analysis would be useful. | 02:12 |
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| greg-g | if a program, to be fully useful it must be called from the CLI (some options only available when starting with various -switches) should it have a .desktop file? | 03:48 |
| greg-g | this is probably a "depends" questions question, so, I'm looking at bug 243776 | 03:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 243776 in japa "No Desktop file in japa" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243776 | 03:49 |
| persia | greg-g: Looking at the manpage, there seem sane defaults. Whether to call `japa -A` or `japa -J` in the .desktop file is a matter for debate. | 03:52 |
| persia | Personally, I'd advocate -J, as I believe the goal is to abstract ALSA, and move to JACK and pulse clients for the most part. | 03:52 |
| greg-g | persia: agree | 03:52 |
| greg-g | persia: but, personally, -J doesn't work on my machine | 03:53 |
| greg-g | so, my inclination is to say "no" to a .desktop file right now | 03:53 |
| persia | greg-g: Did you start JACK before calling that? | 03:53 |
| greg-g | persia: no :) | 03:53 |
| greg-g | I have no experience using/starting JACK | 03:54 |
| persia | greg-g: Install qjackctl, run JACK Control from the menu, click Start. | 03:54 |
| persia | I like to use Patchage to manage the connections. | 03:55 |
| persia | Anyway, that shouldn't block the .desktop file. There are several applications that fail to start without a running Jack that ship .desktop upstream. | 03:55 |
| greg-g | persia: ahh, didn't know that | 03:55 |
| greg-g | persia: so is your opinion to create the .desktop file with "japa -J" as the command? | 03:56 |
| persia | greg-g: Yes, although I anticipate that this will generate a bug that japa doesn't work with ALSA by default, and a bug that japa ought detect and start JACK if not previously running. | 03:58 |
| * greg-g nods | 03:59 | |
| persia | Of these, I'd consider the former wontfix, as I expect most users who need that would do better with JACK than ALSA. The second would be a real bug, but the appropriate solution hasn't been determined (and several strategies to make it "just work" have been shown to not be ideal) | 03:59 |
| greg-g | sorry, one moment | 04:01 |
| greg-g | persia: (phone interruption) ok. so I'll then learn the syntax of a .desktop file and attach a diff to that bug report, and we'll deal with the real bug as it comes | 04:16 |
| persia | greg-g: Sounds good. | 04:16 |
| greg-g | persia: thanks for the advice | 04:17 |
| saivann | Can a ubuntu developer consider merging available branch in bug 66760 for usplash to the current intrepid development release? | 05:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 66760 in usplash "palette indexes in eft-theme.c should not be prefixed with 0x" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66760 | 05:18 |
| dholbach | good morning | 05:54 |
| ion_ | Hi | 05:54 |
| dholbach | hi ion_ | 05:54 |
| Hobbsee | hey dholbach! | 05:56 |
| dholbach | hi Hobbsee | 05:56 |
| * calc upgraded to 6GB ram, 1TB hd :) | 07:03 | |
| TheMuso | calc: nice. | 07:06 |
| calc | i should have plenty of room for a mirror now :) | 07:07 |
| TheMuso | heh | 07:16 |
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| pitti | Good mornin | 07:39 |
| pitti | g | 07:39 |
| ion_ | Hi | 07:40 |
| Hobbsee | hey pitti! | 07:40 |
| dholbach | can sombody please unsub ubuntu-archive from 245706 | 07:45 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: i'm not sure that's possible | 07:50 |
| dholbach | everybody who's in the team can unsubscribe the team | 07:51 |
| Hobbsee | yes, but how? | 07:51 |
| dholbach | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hnb/+bug/245706/+subscribe | 07:51 |
| Hobbsee | do i need to switch to production to be able to unsubscribe people? | 07:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245706 in hnb "Please sync hnb 1.9.18-4 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] | 07:51 |
| dholbach | it's not very obvious and I talked to the LP folks about it | 07:52 |
| dholbach | it's the "subscribe ... yourself" link | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | oh, you have to manually type +subscribe | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | oh, i tried the subscribing other people link | 07:52 |
| dholbach | no, click on the "yourself" link | 07:52 |
| dholbach | yeah | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | hm, that worked. | 07:53 |
| dholbach | gracias | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | don't suppose anyone know the last known xserver-xorg-video-intel to work? | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: the current intrepid one? | 08:53 |
| Keybuk | IT DOESN'T WORK | 08:53 |
| Keybuk | oops, the caps were not deliberate, but nonetheless warranted | 08:53 |
| pitti | Keybuk: compiz breaking for you as well? (white screen) | 08:54 |
| RAOF | You know, I sometimes wonder if I run the same devel release as everyone else... | 08:55 |
| pitti | happens for me with both the hardy and intrepid kernel | 08:55 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: yeah... | 08:55 |
| RAOF | That'll be something in the new mesa stack, right? | 08:55 |
| pitti | RAOF: it's pretty broken for me anyway (usplash horribly mangled, suspend broken, X black with usplash, compiz breaks with just white screen) | 08:55 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: hm, maybe i haven't tried the most recent version then. | 08:55 |
| Keybuk | pitti: yup | 08:56 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: yeah, me as well. particularly with things like graphics, and wifi cards not working. | 08:56 |
| RAOF | pitti: That wasn't a comment on this particular issue (I don't _have_ an intel card), just my general lack of development problems. | 08:56 |
| RAOF | Nothing ever seems to go wrong. At least, not so that I notice and remember :) | 08:56 |
| pitti | RAOF: lucky you :) | 08:57 |
| RAOF | Indeed. | 08:57 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: i'm hoping to avoid yelling here, but i've had 2:2.3.2-1ubuntu3 working here with no problems earlier. | 09:01 |
| Hobbsee | that being said, i probably don't have the rest of the new X stack installed yet | 09:01 |
| RAOF | Has it made it out of NEW yet? | 09:03 |
| Iulian | Good morning. | 09:09 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: I'll upload a new mesa/xorg-server soon, should fix sparc/hppa/ia64 FTBFS's | 09:34 |
| tjaalton | so after that we'll be able to rebuild the drivers etc | 09:34 |
| tjaalton | the stack is not ready yet | 09:35 |
| RAOF | Right. I wasn't sure whether it had settled yet. | 09:35 |
| RAOF | Our X isn't getting built with dri2 support, right | 09:35 |
| RAOF | ? | 09:35 |
| tjaalton | no, needs TTM | 09:35 |
| tjaalton | ie. libdrm from master | 09:35 |
| tjaalton | er, modesetting-101 | 09:36 |
| RAOF | Right. Suspected as much. | 09:36 |
| RAOF | Or, presumably, the gem branch? | 09:36 |
| tjaalton | that could work too | 09:37 |
| Amaranth | I thought the consensus was that DRI2 would make GEM calls since it only does some base things and DRI2 needs a stable API to call | 09:43 |
| Amaranth | TTM could be used on top of GEM for drivers where it makes sense | 09:43 |
| tjaalton | Amaranth: could well be, I've given up hope of understanding where we stand currently ;) | 09:47 |
| Amaranth | I just tried to catch up today | 09:48 |
| Amaranth | Still completely lost | 09:48 |
| tjaalton | if libdrm 2.4.0 has GEM support in it, we can revisit DRI2 | 09:48 |
| tjaalton | hehe :) | 09:48 |
| Amaranth | But hey, I have intel hardware now so I want me some GEM :) | 09:48 |
| tjaalton | me too :) | 09:48 |
| tjaalton | and yes, seems like radeon uses some TTM-GEM hybrid | 09:49 |
| tjaalton | er, will use. there's a branch on airlied's git | 09:50 |
| Amaranth | Next person to invent a memory manager gets stabbed with a spork | 09:51 |
| tjaalton | Amaranth: slow and painful ;) | 09:54 |
| RAOF | I think there's been some work in nouveau, somewhere, with TTM, too. | 09:54 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: A mutant, 1/16 fork 15/16 spoon? | 09:54 |
| tjaalton | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spork | 09:55 |
| * RAOF was referring to the xkcd. | 09:55 | |
| Amaranth | RAOF: That's 1/4 spoon 3/4 spork | 09:55 |
| Amaranth | They crossed a spoon with a spork | 09:55 |
| RAOF | Right. But they _could_ get to 1/16 fork, 15/16 spoon. | 09:56 |
| RAOF | And it wasn't their spoon/spork cross that ran rampant, anyway :) | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | I think it needs more fork to be stabby | 09:56 |
| ion_ | raof: I heard they’re doing that at CERN, but there are concerns the process might start a chain reaction that destroys the entire universe as we know it. | 09:57 |
| RAOF | ion_: Nah. They're just planning to kill pideons with a relativistic proton beam. | 09:57 |
| Amaranth | ion_: Does it make the universe run on happy thoughts? | 09:57 |
| ion_ | I’d like to have a quantum spork. The spoon/fork proportion of one collapses when observed. | 09:58 |
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| ogra | who does NEW today ? | 10:58 |
| * ogra has usb-imagewriter sitting in intrepid waiting for a friendly hand .... | 10:58 | |
| pitti | ogra: Monday is Steve's archive day | 11:03 |
| ogra | ok | 11:04 |
| ogra | then i'll ask later again :) | 11:04 |
| pitti | tjaalton, bryce: xdmx{,-tools} and xserver-xfbdev -> main or universe? | 11:07 |
| tjaalton | pitti: I think universe will do | 11:12 |
| pitti | tjaalton: oh, xdmx-tools was already in ubuntu universe since gutsy, then apparently removed in hardy, and now it comes back? :) | 11:13 |
| tjaalton | pitti: right, it was brought back in the 1.5rc packaging | 11:14 |
| tjaalton | apparently the build was broken for 1.4 | 11:14 |
| kantor | hi, if the SCSI sg driver SG_IO ioctl returns with error (not a 0 value) that means that in the status, masked_status, . . . bytes nothing is stored (no useful information) ? | 11:17 |
| kantor | so I check for the masked_status only if that ioctl returns with 0 | 11:18 |
| kantor | no ? | 11:18 |
| Nubae | hi... asac quick question... | 11:51 |
| Nubae | do you know how the firefox app-id is created? | 11:52 |
| Nubae | the id u have in ~/.mozilla/extensions/<browser-id> | 11:52 |
| asac | Nubae: if you need a new one, you can use whatever you want | 11:57 |
| cjwatson | uuidgen | 11:57 |
| Nubae | ok, so for a new browser, one would just create it using uuidgen? | 11:58 |
| asac | Nubae: uuid's have been used in the past. another way is to use a domain-scoped id like: superbrowser@yourdomain.org | 12:00 |
| Nubae | ok thanks a lot | 12:01 |
| Nubae | asac - once we create the id - how do we tell our browser to use it? | 12:03 |
| asac | Nubae: is that supposed to be xul application? | 12:03 |
| asac | Nubae: if so, look at /usr/lib/firefox-3.0/application.ini | 12:04 |
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| jc-denton | i know this is not the place to ask | 13:47 |
| jc-denton | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc/+bug/235236 | 13:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 235236 in ubuntu-doc "ATI Driver Page needs updating" [Low,Confirmed] | 13:47 |
| jc-denton | but i have the same problem | 13:47 |
| jc-denton | and no idea what Lrun a dkms build for kernel 2.6.24-16-rt (i686) first." means | 13:48 |
| jc-denton | because dkms build is for a specific module as far as i understand.. | 13:48 |
| jc-denton | so what shall i do? | 13:50 |
| jc-denton | switch to windows? | 13:50 |
| jc-denton | i'm using radeonhd right now but my laptop gets too hot | 13:50 |
| jc-denton | http://rafb.net/p/Owo6cw84.html | 13:51 |
| pitti | tjaalton: hm, now xserver-xorg-core is held back, and upgrade removes all video/input drivers; I take it this can be resolved by tomorrow? (alpha-2 soft freeze) | 14:04 |
| Iulian | Riddell: Giver is in unstable so we can sync now. | 14:05 |
| tjaalton | pitti: should be resolvable, all video/input drivers need to be rebuilt | 14:05 |
| tjaalton | pitti: I'm just waiting for ia64 to catch up.. | 14:06 |
| pitti | tjaalton: ah, want me to bump a build score? | 14:06 |
| tjaalton | pitti: that would be nice, yes | 14:07 |
| pitti | which source? | 14:07 |
| tjaalton | xorg-server | 14:07 |
| tjaalton | hppa is currently building | 14:08 |
| pitti | done | 14:09 |
| tjaalton | thanks! | 14:10 |
| * pitti hugs tseliot | 14:22 | |
| pitti | tjaalton: ah, ia64 buildds are still busy with gcc and subversion | 14:24 |
| tjaalton | pitti: hum, ok | 14:24 |
| * tseliot hugs pitti | 14:25 | |
| pitti | tseliot: looking forward to your reply | 14:33 |
| tseliot | pitti: I'm reading your email right now ;) | 14:35 |
| tjaalton | pitti: debian has three flavours of nvidia, but the sources are named differently | 14:36 |
| pitti | are they using dkms, too? | 14:37 |
| tjaalton | nope | 14:37 |
| pitti | hrm, no, dkms isn't even in debian | 14:37 |
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| tjaalton | they have 'nvidia-graphics-drivers' (the latest version) and 'nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-{71xx,96xx}' | 14:38 |
| tjaalton | which then produce nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-legacy-{71xx,96xx} | 14:39 |
| tjaalton | etc | 14:39 |
| Mirv | pitti: your v4l-dvb dkms is the best thing since sliced bread | 14:39 |
| pitti | Mirv: :-) | 14:40 |
| pitti | Mirv: I was actually surpised that it flawlessly built on the intrepid kernel as well | 14:40 |
| pitti | Mirv: hm, I don't even need that package any more on intrepid, the upstream drivers are recent enough | 14:43 |
| Mirv | pitti: there are plenty of us around here using it for Anysee DVB support (to be included in 2.6.27) | 14:43 |
| pitti | nice :) | 14:44 |
| Mirv | dkms seems like ideal for things like v4l-dvb which needs updates constantly as new devices are bought by users and support added by v4l-dvb developers | 14:45 |
| pitti | Mirv: indeed it is; I really like it | 14:45 |
| tseliot | pitti: email sent ;) | 14:53 |
| pitti | tseliot: replied again | 15:09 |
| tseliot | pitti: ok | 15:10 |
| pitti | tseliot: ... to the other mail, too | 15:15 |
| tseliot | pitti: ah, ok, thanks | 15:18 |
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| tjaalton | duh, why doesn't 'dch -l foo' work when the version does not have 'ubuntu' in it? | 15:27 |
| Hobbsee | tjaalton: because you actually want to use dch -Ul? | 15:29 |
| Hobbsee | oh, hmm | 15:29 |
| Hobbsee | scratch that | 15:30 |
| ligemeget | Can someone explain to me why https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu says " The current translation focus for Ubuntu is 7.10 (Gutsy), and we encourage you to translate it first." ? | 15:36 |
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| cjwatson | ligemeget: thanks for the note; fixed to 8.04 | 15:41 |
| ligemeget | nice. thanks | 15:41 |
| cjwatson | (I don't think intrepid is open yet, but even if I'm wrong it's still undergoing substantial skew) | 15:41 |
| jdstrand | kees: fyi-- ruby1.9 built today in my schroot, so I pushed it to intrepid (not sure what changed in there, but the tests now complete without hanging) | 15:43 |
| jdstrand | (in my up to date intrepid schroot that is) | 15:45 |
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| Kopfgeldjaeger | a new rhythmbox version will come out today | 15:59 |
| YokoZar | pitti: *poke* | 16:06 |
| pitti | eek | 16:06 |
| ScottK | pitti: Would you please have a look at Bug #246118 and advise us on how to proceed. | 16:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246118 in wine "Wine 1.0 as a stable release update for Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246118 | 16:07 |
| ScottK | I'm comfortable with copying to hardy-updates, from hardy-backports. | 16:07 |
| pitti | tjaalton: argh, still building; at this point I'd say, screw ia64 and build it later on that arch | 16:16 |
| pitti | ScottK: in a minute, still having some three conversations going on, sorry | 16:16 |
| ScottK | pitti: Thanks. | 16:16 |
| pitti | ScottK: no library SONAME changes and the like, I figure? | 16:28 |
| pitti | ScottK: I'm fine with that, given hardy's LTSness | 16:29 |
| pitti | ScottK: however, I'd be a bit more comfortable with copying it to -proposed first, and/or getting some testimonials from other users first | 16:29 |
| pitti | oh, it doesn't build a library any more, nevermind me | 16:30 |
| pitti | ScottK: bug updated | 16:32 |
| ScottK | pitti: Thanks. | 16:32 |
| ScottK | YokoZar: ^^^ There you go. | 16:33 |
| YokoZar | pitti: Thank you :) | 16:33 |
| tseliot | cjwatson: can I have a word with you in private? | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | tseliot: I'm afraid I'm just about to leave for some hours; feel free to leave me an IRC message, or e-mail me | 16:52 |
| tseliot | cjwatson: I'll send you an email. Thanks | 16:53 |
| kees | jdstrand: yay heisenbugfixes :) | 16:58 |
| pitti | good morning kees | 16:58 |
| kees | hi pitti! :) | 16:58 |
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| * ogra wonders if slangasek is around for a NEW package ... | 18:13 | |
| LucidFox | pitti, since you accepted f-spot, maybe you could review the gnome-keyring-sharp MIR? | 18:15 |
| pitti | LucidFox: looking | 18:18 |
| pitti | LucidFox: done, that was an easy one | 18:21 |
| LucidFox | thanks! | 18:22 |
| mkrufky | whats up with launchpad karma dropping all the time by itself? | 18:41 |
| mkrufky | thats discouraging | 18:41 |
| lamont | Function `ephy_window_get_active_embed' implicitly converted to pointer at seahorse-extension.c:242 | 18:41 |
| lamont | bad seahorse | 18:41 |
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| calc | the extra ram didn't do that much, but at least it will be helpful for vm's etc | 18:52 |
| calc | er do much to speed up OOo i mean | 18:52 |
| infinity | calc: Nothing speeds up OOo. | 18:53 |
| Iulian | Riddell: Please don't sync giver yet. I am preparing another upload to Debian. I will let you know when it's ready to sync. | 18:54 |
| calc | infinity: true, though its not too bad i guess, 55m35s real | 19:00 |
| calc | i think it might have shaved about 9m off between the hd and ram upgrade | 19:01 |
| tjaalton | pitti: hmm, that would mean another round of rebuilds just for ia64? | 19:29 |
| _MMA_ | slangasek: Should I add "vorbis-tools" to bug 201291 as packages are being added to it that generate vorbis files with the .ogg extension and not .oga. Maybe I'm reading it wrong? | 19:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 201291 in mime-support "Add ogv (video) and oga (audio) as recognized extension for Ogg Theora and Ogg Vorbis, respectively" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201291 | 19:38 |
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| scobby | hi everyone | 20:55 |
| scobby | i am using hardy with new kernel from intrepid (because of wlan) after i rebootet my sound is a little bit buggy. i think sound output goes out of my system bell(not the speaker) | 20:57 |
| scobby | but not every sound output | 20:57 |
| scobby | when i start kvpnc the sound is crackling | 20:58 |
| lamalex | scobby: /topic | 21:06 |
| calc | 146m18 without cache, 55m35 with cache | 21:35 |
| calc | still pretty slow :\ | 21:35 |
| * calc needs a quad core cpu | 21:36 | |
| Pupeno | What's the package for the Keyboard Layout configuration tool? | 21:46 |
| enrico | Riddell: Hi. It looks like in Hardy there's a version of Debtags with bug #472911 (Data files are embarassingly created in the wrong place) | 22:27 |
| geser | kees, jdstrand: Hi, I'm not sure if you are the right persons but do you know which is a secure default for mode (3rd parameter) when calling open(..., O_CREAT, mode)? | 22:30 |
| kees | geser: well, if it's only going to be used by the program itself, then just 0700 should be right | 22:33 |
| kees | geser: or rather, S_IRWXU | 22:33 |
| kees | or perhaps S_IRUSR|S_IWUSR | 22:33 |
| kees | since the file is likely not executable. :) | 22:33 |
| cjwatson | mkrufky: you should ask in #launchpad if you actually want to know, but I suspect that it decays somewhat over time so that karma gives current strong contributors preference over retired strong contributors | 22:34 |
| kees | so, I guess I should add that to the wiki. | 22:34 |
| mkrufky | yeah, i figured. instead, it just made me not care | 22:34 |
| mkrufky | i'll fix a bug if i can | 22:34 |
| mkrufky | btu im not going to loko at the "karma" points anymore ... fump dat! | 22:34 |
| geser | kees: there is a wiki page with suggested fixes for the error from the hardened gcc like "error: call to '__open_missing_mode' declared with attribute error: open with O_CREAT in second argument needs 3 arguments"? | 22:35 |
| cjwatson | mkrufky: I'm afraid this is the wrong place to rant | 22:36 |
| kees | geser: right, that's what I'm updating now. | 22:36 |
| cjwatson | mkrufky: also, is it worth getting het up about a number? :-) | 22:36 |
| mkrufky | cjwatson: im not ranting ... i am still happily fixing bugs. no problem | 22:36 |
| wgrant | mkrufky: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Karma | 22:37 |
| mkrufky | chill -- it;s all good. i just asked why the points drop, i got my answer, gave a tiny commentary, and now i am back to fixing bugs again -- nobody is upset | 22:37 |
| infinity | mkrufky: I'm sure your karma is better than mine, and I use launchpad more than most people do, so... Y'know... Don't complain. :) | 22:37 |
| geser | kees: where is that page? | 22:38 |
| wgrant | infinity: No karma for kicking buildds? Aw. | 22:38 |
| kees | geser: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilerFlags | 22:38 |
| infinity | wgrant: No karma for anything soyuz-related. | 22:38 |
| mkrufky | wgrant: thanks for that link | 22:38 |
| geser | kees: thanks | 22:39 |
| wgrant | infinity: This is true. Though it is meant to eventually be happening. ANd was targetted to 1.1.9. | 22:39 |
| kees | geser: np. I added the mode recommendations to it now. | 22:39 |
| emgent | heya | 23:31 |
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