[00:15] <yuriy> hmm dist-upgrading isn't quite feasible yet is it
[00:43] <nixternal> OK, what needs to be done like right now?
[00:43] <nixternal> gimme a list
[00:43] <nixternal> it is way to hot and humid to ride tonight, so I shall stay in, do laundry and hack on Kubuntu and KDE stuff
[00:44] <vorian> nixternal: do we really want dfsg for ktorrent?
[00:44] <vorian> and hello :)
[00:44] <nixternal> yes, ktorrent should be dfsg, cuz if it isn't, then it means it isn't free
[00:45] <vorian> roger
[00:46] <nixternal> unless you want to put it in multiverse and have me stop using it :)
[00:46] <vorian> haha
[00:46] <vorian> i don't know about that ...
[00:46] <nixternal> and don't plan on shipping it on our isos
[00:47] <vorian> really?
[00:47] <vorian> oh
[00:47] <nixternal> ya, we don't ship multiverse stuff in our isos
[00:47]  * vorian needs to read more closely
[00:47] <nixternal> only main, the free stuff, except for our bogus kernel :P
[00:47] <vorian> right, i thought you typed "we won't be shipping it on our isos"
[00:47] <nixternal> or not our kernel, but the restricted-modules I should say
[00:47] <vorian> my mistake
[00:47] <vorian> werd
[01:43] <yuriy> nixternal: you could fix replaces and such in intrepid packages to make upgrades possible :D
[01:47] <vorian> yuriy: is there a bug-tag for those?
[01:47]  * vorian looks
[01:49] <yuriy> vorian: I'm just referring to my current upgrading attempt
[01:50] <yuriy> though a lot of problems were solved by removing all hardy kde4 packages that I missed
[01:50] <vorian> the kdebase-runtime package
[01:50] <vorian> ah, i see
[01:50] <yuriy> and there are a lot of dependency problems with Xorg
[01:50] <vorian> yeah
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> Be back tomorrow
[04:00] <maltedik> oh man. i finally find out why my kopete didnt compile with jabber-support
[04:01] <maltedik> i can die now (after adding the info to the kde techbase ;))
[05:14] <yuriy> intrepid and my laptop aren't very good friends
[05:18] <DaskReecH> I'm strangely un tempted by intrepid this cycle
[05:46]  * yuriy watches intrepid/kde 4.1 restore his ancient kde3 session
[05:47] <yuriy> now if only xserver-xorg-input-mouse was installed
[05:47] <DaskReecH> Ha ha that's sweet
[05:47] <yuriy> or -kbd for that matter
[07:48] <apachelogger> mouz: yakuake > stjerm
[07:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: the red is too red
[07:49] <apachelogger> compile something with cmake and you'll almost get blinded by the redness of red
[07:49] <Nightrose> apachelogger: the read is perfect as it shows new queries here ;-)
[07:49] <Nightrose> -a
[07:50]  * apachelogger honelsty doesn'ty like it
[07:50] <apachelogger> the green is also a bit too bright
[07:50] <apachelogger> but the red can kill
[07:50] <Nightrose> hehe
[09:07] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[09:19] <mouz> apachelogger: does that mean you do not want to review my packaging of stjerm?
[09:25] <apachelogger> mouz: it has lower priority
[12:35] <apachelogger> mouz: revued
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[13:04] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[13:05]  * smarter waves
[13:06] <smarter> could someone please upload my updated kde4-style-bespin package? http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/bespin/
[13:07] <smarter> I was wondering if I should rename it to kde-style-bespin
[13:09] <gnomefreak> everything else is being moved from kde4 to kde including the profiles and friends
[13:09] <Riddell> smarter: kde 3 widget styles are mostly still installable I think, so probably best to keep them as kde- and kde 4 ones as kde4- for now
[13:09] <smarter> ok
[13:09] <smarter> (also available at: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/bespin/ubuntu)
[13:25] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i know now the problem, in hardy qt4.4 is in the backports of hardy
[13:26] <Xand3r> if i build on a build server are there the backports included?
[13:28] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  i set in the build-depends libqt4-dev (>=4.4)
[13:28] <Xand3r> s that declared right?
[13:32] <Xand3r> smarter: maybe you could help me?
[13:35] <Xand3r> ScottK: hi, the only problem there is ,screenie-qt depends on libqt4-dev from qt4.4
[13:35] <Xand3r> so it needs the backport qt
[13:38] <Xand3r> no one here -.-
[13:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;)
[13:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about the plan to write a xrandr gui ?
[13:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: a collegue of mine would eventually be interested
[13:49] <Riddell> mostly I was hoping the one in KDE would fix itself for 4.1
[13:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that the krandrtray and randr kpart are still being worked on by kde guys...
[13:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay so you would wait for 4.1 and then decide what to do ?
[13:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: in any case I might have a resource available in case we have to code something
[13:49] <Riddell> well, it would be nice to know what the chances are of it working
[13:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: and on the other hand, I'm going for several contrib days tomorrow
[13:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: lot of work recently, but for all the week, I'll be there for packaging stuff
[13:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: well the kcm module guy is currently a nightmare :)
[13:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: so as sad a few days ago, this time I'm back :) tomorrow morning 9 am...
[13:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll need to make a point on the intrepid status to write a hudge todo for the next weeks
[13:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, will you be there at the oscon ?
[13:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will
[13:52] <Riddell> nope
[13:56] <Xand3r> i need some help, i whant to include hardy backport in my pbuilder-dist, so i added the line in ~/pbuilder/etc/hardy/apt.conf/sources.list
[13:57] <Xand3r> but if i use the command pbuilder-dist hardy update , the new line is ignored, what i have done wrong?
[13:58]  * Riddell has never got that to work
[13:58] <smarter> Xand3r: I think you have to edit /etc/pbuilderrc
[13:59] <Hobbsee> Xand3r: you need to use --override-config
[13:59] <Hobbsee> when running your udpate, after config changes.
[14:01] <Xand3r> Hobbsee: so i edit the source.list in that dir above nd than i run "pbuilder-dist hardy update --override-config"?
[14:02] <Hobbsee> Xand3r: yes, assuming that it's actually using those configuration files
[14:03] <Xand3r> cool now it runs thx
[14:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's not that hard, really.
[14:04] <Riddell> I've not tried hard
[14:05] <Hobbsee> huh?
[14:06] <Xand3r> Riddell: if a package need a nother package from the backports, does that makes problems?
[14:07] <Riddell> Xand3r: problems for what?
[14:07] <Xand3r> for the building
[14:08] <Hobbsee> Xand3r: no, it'll pull it from the repository
[14:09] <Xand3r> i want to get screenie-qt backported, it needs the libqt4-dev, but the 4.4 from the backport
[14:12] <Riddell> qt 4.4 is in backports, so there's no problem
[14:12] <Riddell> why does it need libqt4-dev anyway?
[14:14] <Xand3r> hmm
[14:15] <Xand3r> the intrepid package needed it
[14:50] <nixternal> mornin'
[14:50]  * nixternal notes to Riddell that he is still awaiting the "how-to" email :)
[14:50] <nixternal> are there any current show stoppers?
[15:01] <yuriy> morning!
[15:01]  * yuriy hugs txwikinger and JontheEchidna 
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> Good morning
[15:02] <txwikinger> hi yuriy
[15:08] <yuriy> yay X actually installs now
[15:16] <apachelogger> hooray
[15:16] <apachelogger> *upgrades*
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, I'll be back in half an hour
[15:36] <apachelogger> hm
[15:36] <apachelogger> bug 235171
[15:36] <apachelogger> what to do with that?
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> Confucious say, noobs must die
[15:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: good point
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> :p
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> I doubt anyone would do anything about it anyway
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, what about bug 38887
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> Because I don't think they should
[15:43] <apachelogger> well
[15:43] <apachelogger> no, they shouldn't
[15:43] <apachelogger> that is like dont use sdofi use swo
[15:43] <apachelogger> it's as likely that someone doesn't know what the difference between Kubuntu/Ubuntu
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, it looks like somebody rejected it but forgot to actually close it.
[15:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: give it a final kick then ;-)
[15:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what do you think about bug 89348
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, shouldn't he file separate bugs for each package that does that, or at the least assign that bug to the different packages that still have the problem?
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> It doesn't seem to be a KDE problem either way.
[15:53] <apachelogger> well
[15:54] <apachelogger> it effects all kdegames
[15:54] <apachelogger> though I think it is pretty won't fix
[15:54] <apachelogger> usr/games is in the default PATH
[15:54] <apachelogger> if someone changes it, it's really his own fault
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, he should put usr/games in his path if he wants it to work
[15:55] <apachelogger> otherwise I could just remove usr/bin and say I want all other desktop files with absolute path
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> True
[15:55] <apachelogger> +
[15:55] <apachelogger> quoting the spec:
[15:55] <apachelogger> Exec   Program to execute, possibly with arguments.
[15:55] <apachelogger> not path to an executable
[15:55] <apachelogger> ;-)
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> By default Dolphin has an entry for network:/ on the sidebar, right?
[15:57] <apachelogger> yes
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> Ok, I removed some entries so I wasn't sure
[16:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldn't kdewebdev-kde4 be moved to kdewebdev?
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> So about bug 63287, should I mark it fixed since currently Intrepid's kdm theme uses normal button widgets, or should we wait to see what sort of kdm theme intrepid will get?
[16:11] <apachelogger> oha
[16:11] <apachelogger> schweet
[16:11] <apachelogger> vorian: congrats!
[16:11]  * apachelogger hands everyone a glass of beer
[16:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wouldn't say so
[16:13] <apachelogger> theming is coming back
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> So then we should wait until we get a theme?
[16:16] <apachelogger> I'd say so
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> Btw, is Kubuntu going to place the trashcan plasmoid in the panel by default for Intrepid?
[16:21] <apachelogger> in case we are able to
[17:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm unsure about kdewebdev, the kde4 version doesn't include quanta yet which is the main application
[17:05] <txwikinger> what's wrong with lp?
[17:06] <Riddell> wrong shade of green?
[17:06] <Riddell> dunno, I'd need a clue
[17:06] <txwikinger> I can't login anymore
[17:08] <Riddell> works for me
[17:09] <txwikinger> well. I have sent me the reset password thingy.. maybe that works
[17:11] <yuriy> hmm.. can't install nvidia, can't boot .26 kernel, can't use an external monitor with nv, and nv+krfb+vncviewer is really really slow
[17:21] <yuriy> with my broken backlight, I think that leaves me with ssh -X for testing
[17:43] <Riddell> ScottK: where's your guidance stuff?
[17:44] <Czessi__> Riddell: you received my email from sunday?
[17:45] <Riddell> Czessi__: about sending the poster stand?
[17:46] <Czessi__> yes
[17:46] <Riddell> Czessi__: that's the right address, I'll pick it up there for lugradio live then take it to akademy
[17:47] <Czessi__> Riddell: ok, thanks. i'll try to send it tomorrow
[17:47] <Xand3r> hey!
[17:48] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 245339?  Surely guidance-power-manager now needs to depend on guidance-backends
[17:49] <Riddell> hi Xand3r, I uploaded kwin-style-crystal
[17:49] <Xand3r> Riddell: thx a lot
[17:51]  * Riddell out
[18:03] <jjesse> afternoon
[18:35] <apachelogger> Xand3r: wanna package digikam-kde4?
[18:35] <Xand3r> apachelogger: it would be much or?
[18:35] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:36] <apachelogger> digikam is about the same amoutn of work as amarok I guess
[18:36] <apachelogger> and it's using the same release script :D
[18:36]  * apachelogger is pretty proud
[18:36] <Xand3r> apachelogger: that says nothin to me
[18:36] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, take a look at it
[18:37] <apachelogger> you can mostly root your work in the kde3 package
[18:37] <Xand3r> ah
[18:37] <Xand3r> ok i will have a look at it
[18:38] <Xand3r> apachelogger: where is the bug i have to assingn?
[18:39] <apachelogger> Xand3r: create one
[18:41] <Xand3r> ok
[18:42] <txwikinger> b0rked KDE :D
[18:46] <apachelogger> omg
[18:47] <apachelogger> how could you
[18:47] <txwikinger> why does konq lose intermittently the ability to store cookies?
[18:47] <apachelogger> works for me
[18:47] <txwikinger> I had to re-login
[18:47] <txwikinger> Now it works again too
[18:47] <apachelogger> maybe kded crashed
[18:47] <txwikinger> yeah maybe
[18:47] <apachelogger> I think the cookiejar is running as kded module
[18:47] <txwikinger> shouldn't use this old KDE3 stuff :D
[18:48] <txwikinger> yes it is
[18:48] <txwikinger> at least in KDE3
[18:48] <txwikinger> not sure about KDE4
[18:52] <Xand3r> apachelogger: is libkipi already build?
[18:53] <apachelogger> don't think so
[18:53] <apachelogger> oh actually
[18:53] <apachelogger> kipi is part of kdegraphics nowadays
[18:53] <apachelogger> Xand3r: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1
[18:53] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+package/libkipi-dev
[18:54] <Xand3r> but i dont have to build it ^^
[18:55] <apachelogger> righty right
[18:57] <apachelogger> smarter: btw, kvpm revued
[18:57] <Xand3r> omg i download the files right now, it seams to be the wrong, but i see how much files theire are in, with my 6 kb/s upload i will have fun
[18:57] <smarter> apachelogger: thanks
[18:57] <smarter> apachelogger: what's the X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true for?
[18:57] <Xand3r> the pictures take much place
[18:58] <apachelogger> smarter: kdesu
[18:58] <smarter> ok
[19:01] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  i am checking out svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/graphics/digikam
[19:01] <Xand3r> is that the right digikam version?
[19:01] <apachelogger> no
[19:01] <apachelogger> Xand3r: digikam.org
[19:02] <Xand3r> -.-
[19:02] <Xand3r> it is from the hp
[19:02] <Xand3r> i will download a tar
[19:04] <Xand3r> apachelogger: version 0.10 right?
[19:04] <apachelogger> yes
[19:04] <Xand3r> ok have i to name the package digikam-kde4?
[19:05] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ^
[19:06] <apachelogger> Xand3r: aye
[19:06] <Xand3r> ok
[19:07] <dAskreeCh> is 0.10 stable?
[19:07] <apachelogger> dAskreeCh: no
[19:10] <dAskreeCh> Expected to be stable by 10 ?
[19:10] <yuriy> really? so intrepid will still have the KDE3 version?
[19:11] <txwikinger> yuriy: really?
[19:12] <txwikinger> I thought only the the apps that will not be ported will be available in the KDE3 form under KDE4
[19:12] <yuriy> txwikinger: talking about digikam. i'm surprised that apachelogger said 0.10 should be digikam-kde4
[19:12] <dAskreeCh> It should
[19:12] <apachelogger> yuriy: it is alpha
[19:13] <yuriy> definitely won't be stable or RC by october?
[19:13] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:13] <apachelogger> unlike ubuntu
[19:13] <apachelogger> I don't rely on other's schedules
[19:14] <apachelogger> though, we could ship digikam beta and then release 8.10.1 once digikam 0.10 final is out :P
[19:14] <dAskreeCh> I thought .1 were a LTS thing
[19:15] <apachelogger> so? KDE 4.1 is stable enough to go LTS and we still are one LTS release behind ;-)
[19:16] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: That's a good point :)
[19:17] <dAskreeCh> Just need to convince canonical to keep the repos open a few months longer than normal :)
[19:17] <txwikinger> KDE4 will not be stable enough for LTS for another year
[19:17] <apachelogger> I guess then we could also ship some alpha/beta of Amarok which would be make Nightrose happy :D
[19:17] <dAskreeCh> * happy
[19:17] <Nightrose> haha
[19:17] <Nightrose> not really
[19:17] <Nightrose> well
[19:17] <Nightrose> maybe
[19:17] <Nightrose> :P
[19:18] <Nightrose> <- easy to make her happy
[19:18] <txwikinger> well.. you have another 2 weeks to go from alpha/beta to release
[19:18] <txwikinger> Should be enough since you guys have nothing else to do :p
[19:18]  * Nightrose kicks txwikinger 
[19:19] <apachelogger> honey
[19:19] <apachelogger> you have unused workforce
[19:19] <apachelogger> that is waste of developer's lifetime IMO
[19:19] <txwikinger> ah thank you... my back is stiff and needs that
[19:19] <apachelogger> hm
[19:19] <dAskreeCh> Nightrose: I was going to say it's easy to make you happy but decided to hold my tongue umm fingers.
[19:19] <apachelogger> when was 3.5.9 released?
[19:19] <Nightrose> dAskreeCh: ;-)
[19:19] <apachelogger> sick
[19:20] <Nightrose> apachelogger: honey I know - just that all of the folks i had to do work suddenly went MIA
[19:20] <apachelogger> February 19th, 2008 (The INTERNET)
[19:20] <Nightrose> txwikinger: you're welcome ;-)
[19:20] <txwikinger> The INTERNET is no authority to quote from
[19:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: MIAmi?
[19:20] <apachelogger> txwikinger: KDE e.V. is
[19:20] <Nightrose> apachelogger: :P maybe
[19:20] <apachelogger> I would certainly go to MIAmi
[19:20] <txwikinger> apachelogger: well you did not say that
[19:21] <txwikinger> MIAmi.. around this time?
[19:21] <txwikinger> No thank you
[19:21] <apachelogger> txwikinger: well
[19:21] <apachelogger> look at it
[19:21] <txwikinger> Gators and mosquitos
[19:21] <apachelogger> where did I indicate a quote?
 February 19th, 2008 (The INTERNET)
[19:21] <apachelogger> that was a random alignment of chars and digits
[19:21] <Nightrose> oO
[19:21] <txwikinger> well.. next time just give the Gödelnummer
[19:21] <txwikinger> that will save bandwidth
[19:22] <txwikinger> Gödelnumber eveb
[19:22] <txwikinger> even
[19:22] <txwikinger> somehow I don't get to my EU - Anti-competition law stuff today
[19:23] <apachelogger> txwikinger: that leaves more time for beer
[19:23] <apachelogger> where is vorian anyway
[19:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: do i need any stuff from digikam-kde3?
[19:24]  * apachelogger suspects he is already drunk and lying somewhere under some table in some channel starting with ubu or kubu
[19:24] <apachelogger> Xand3r: the descriptions?
[19:24] <apachelogger> some deps?
[19:24] <apachelogger> the binary package deps?
[19:24] <apachelogger> the copyright?
[19:24] <txwikinger> beer? You want to kill me with engl. beer?
[19:24] <apachelogger> and stUff and stuff
[19:24] <apachelogger> txwikinger: you don't get imported beer on the island?
[19:25] <txwikinger> yes .. corona
[19:25] <apachelogger> <3 corona
[19:25] <apachelogger> well
[19:25] <apachelogger> sometimes
[19:25] <apachelogger> <3 captain ;-)
[19:25] <Xand3r> apachelogger: -.- ok
[19:25] <txwikinger> Viva Mejico!
[19:28] <apachelogger> hm
[19:28] <apachelogger> by times I find bug reports very strange
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> ^^
[19:28] <apachelogger> bug 48146
[19:29] <apachelogger> 2nd comment has some examples
[19:29] <apachelogger> and IMO the kpdf rendering looks more readable than the xpdf one
[19:29] <apachelogger> in fact I get dizzy from the latter
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> I must agree
[19:30] <txwikinger> KDE3 does not work.. KDE4 does not work... what is this?
[19:30] <apachelogger> txwikinger: you b0rked it all
[19:30] <apachelogger> time for reinstall
[19:30] <txwikinger> yes.... I am good in that
[19:30] <txwikinger> no .. already fixed it
[19:31] <dAskreeCh> twm ftw!
[19:31] <txwikinger> need to switch desktops effect on and off that I have a decorator running
[19:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you know, I think what they call poor font rendering is just a different font ;-)
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> Heh
[19:31] <yuriy> apachelogger: looks to me like it's using a different font
[19:31] <yuriy> I wouldn't really say one is more readable than the other
[19:32] <apachelogger> xpdf - look at the first 2 words for 3 seconds
[19:32] <apachelogger> if you don't feel dizzy then you must be a pirate or something... at least used to boats
[19:33] <yuriy> I can very slightly see what you mean
[19:33] <apachelogger> :D
[19:33] <yuriy> I say [ask him to] check in okular
[19:33] <apachelogger> or just claim it works in okular
[19:34] <apachelogger> and not mention that I don't see the problem in the screenshot :P
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> Didn't ktip get offed for KDE4?
[19:34] <dAskreeCh> I think by default
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> I seem to remember a gleefully written entry in commit-digest about it
[19:35] <apachelogger> hm
[19:35] <apachelogger> <-- got an idea
[19:35] <dAskreeCh> By Riddell as I recall
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I think it was Riddell
[19:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you please look at http://www.proxc.com/kpdf/kubuntu6.10-kpdf.png http://www.proxc.com/kpdf/kubuntu6.10-xpdf.png http://www.proxc.com/kpdf/fc6-kpdf.png and tell me whether you think the rendering in the kubuntu kpdf one is worse than in the others
[19:36]  * JontheEchidna looks in adept for ktip-kde4
[19:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: k
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> Yes! KTip really is dead! :o
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> Too bad this bug isn't KTip's fault...
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> Else I could close it :(
[19:37] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: what is / was ktip?
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> At startup you'd get a tip of the day thing
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> Nobody used it and it was annoying
[19:37] <jussi01> oh...
[19:37] <jussi01> yeah
[19:37] <dAskreeCh> AFAIR when you start up a program and it says Did you Know??
[19:37] <jussi01> I just wish I knoew how to change those litle pop ups from the tray
[19:38] <apachelogger> that question is stupid in itself IMHO
[19:38] <jussi01> hehe
[19:38] <apachelogger> if I know it - why would I want to read it
[19:38] <apachelogger> if I don't know it - why would I want to be confronted with my stupidity in not knowing it
[19:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hmmmm it is different - but worse.... not really IMHO
[19:38] <apachelogger> ok
[19:39] <apachelogger> merci beaucoup Nightrose
[19:39] <Nightrose> :)
[19:39] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: Ignorance is not really stupidity
[19:40] <apachelogger> well, it gives some kind of uncool feeling
[19:40] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  can i use the old copyright? cause it maybe changed some things
[19:41] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you can use the old one and update it ;-)
[19:41] <apachelogger> but I think doing it from scratch is faster
[19:41] <Xand3r> so make a totaly new on?
[19:42] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: I think the largest problem was that it was maintained somewhat like fortune with random people putting in info
[19:42] <Xand3r> ok thx apachelogger
[19:43] <apachelogger> dAskreeCh: what is the problem with random people?
[19:45] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: one app would have the same "tip" written in 3 different ways. Some tips were things like Smile and the world Smiles with you. And most of all none of them had anythin to do with KDE4
[19:45] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: you're not doing 5-a-day?
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> nope
[19:46] <apachelogger> dAskreeCh: that can happen with one guy as well
[19:46] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: Except the 3 different ways one
[19:46] <apachelogger> dAskreeCh: of course
[19:46] <apachelogger> imagine
[19:47] <apachelogger> you are doing these tips in a 2 years time frame
[19:47] <txwikinger> dAskreeCh: well.. we had a new software on an exhibition once and an error message that was quite X-rated popped up in the middle of a demo for a customer
[19:47] <apachelogger> let's say ever 6 months you add a bunch
[19:47] <apachelogger> there is no way you will remember all the added tips after 2 years
[19:47] <txwikinger> The developer that checked that stuff in had a lot of explaining to do
[19:48] <dAskreeCh> txwikinger: I'll assume this wasn't a customer who was peddling xrated stuff?
[19:49] <txwikinger> No.. a customer that was supposed to give us a very large contract
[19:49] <smarter> apachelogger: new upload of kvpm at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kvpm ;)
[19:49] <txwikinger> and a customer that was not amused about it
[19:50] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: I think the developer would clean up things from KDE2 at least
[19:50] <apachelogger> I can't remember stuff from KDE2
[19:50] <apachelogger> that said, KDE 3 was much like KDE 2 in the beginning :P
[19:50] <apachelogger> and not anything like KDE 3.5
[19:51] <apachelogger> smarter: did you testbuild with the manpage?
[19:51] <smarter> apachelogger: yep
[19:51]  * apachelogger advocates
[19:51] <smarter> \o/
[20:01] <Xand3r> apachelogger: there are so much copyright holders of so much files -.-
[20:02] <apachelogger> Xand3r: did you ever look at kdelibs/kdebase ;-)
[20:02] <Xand3r> never
[20:02] <Xand3r> i i dont want to
[20:02] <Xand3r> ^^
[20:04] <apachelogger> Xand3r: come on :P
[20:04]  * apachelogger felt quite funny when seeing that 
[20:04] <Xand3r> ^^
[20:05] <apachelogger> woah
[20:05] <apachelogger> bug 210171 kicks a**
[20:07] <Xand3r> i watch tv may be in some minutes i am strong enough for the copyright
[20:13] <apachelogger> does anyone want to fix bug 159495
[20:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Does guidance-power-manager actually use xf86misc?  AFAIK that's for setting display properties.
[20:18] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, for idle time detection
[20:18] <ScottK> Ouch.
[20:18] <ScottK> Urgh.
[20:18] <ScottK> Can we teach it a different way to to that?
[20:19] <ScottK> Then yes, I guess it does need to depend on guidance-backends.
[20:19] <ScottK> So much for getting rid of that.
[20:19] <Riddell> ScottK: well if guidance-backends goes away it's easy enough to remove your patch and bring xf86misc back to g-power-manager
[20:20] <ScottK> True.
[20:27] <yuriy> is there a kwin-style-crystal for KDE4?
[20:28] <Riddell> yep
[20:28] <Riddell> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal
[20:31] <yuriy> Xand3r was working on that? Xand3r: can you check for bug 107595 with the new package?
[20:35] <apachelogger> yuriy: I can't reproduce that one
[20:45] <vorian> wooo hoo!
[20:45] <vorian> thanks guys ^.^
[20:47] <Riddell> vorian: hmm?
[20:47] <vorian> Riddell: I'm a motu now
[20:48] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  this is the copyright part http://paste.ubuntu.com/26006/
[20:48] <yuriy> congrats vorian
[20:48] <vorian> danke
[20:48] <Riddell> vorian: oh fooey, I've been meaning to comment on that
[20:48] <Xand3r> and i cant see an end
[20:48] <vorian> Riddell: no worries :)
[20:48] <vorian> it all happened much faster than I thought it would
[20:48] <apachelogger> still too slow IMO ;-)
[20:49] <apachelogger> ah well
[20:49] <vorian> lol
[20:49] <apachelogger> vorian: get working http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=stjerm ;-)
[20:49] <vorian> roger
[20:49] <vorian> oh, I need the button
[20:49] <Xand3r> apachelogger: there have to be another way or?
[20:49] <Riddell> Xand3r: in my humble opinion debian/copyright should be a summary of hte major copyright holders, it doesn't need to list every file and it's authors
[20:50] <Xand3r> ah ok
[20:50]  * apachelogger agrees with Riddell
[20:50] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you only have a couple of copyright holders anyway
[20:51] <Riddell> as an archive admin I'm more interested in the licence(s)
[20:51] <Nightrose> congratulations vorian :)
[20:51]  * Nightrose hands vorian a cookie
[20:51] <vorian> :)
[20:51] <vorian> thanks :)
[20:52] <Riddell> stdin: did you talk to upstream about that kdepim cmake issue?
[20:52] <Xand3r> Riddell: the licences were no prob
[20:54] <apachelogger> hm
[20:54] <apachelogger> stdin: did you create a list of motu-like contriubtions yet? :P
[20:54] <Riddell> Xand3r: so just list Gilles and the two other major copyright holders and sorted
[20:55] <Xand3r> Riddell: hmm i will see
[20:57] <Riddell> ScottK: I added a comment to bug 236996
[20:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  Looking.
[21:00] <apachelogger> vorian: btw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Kubuntu
[21:00] <vorian> apachelogger: roger
[21:03] <Xand3r> Riddell: there are more than 2 other
[21:04] <apachelogger> Xand3r: main copyright holders he meant
[21:05] <vorian> hmm
[21:05] <vorian> manpage error
[21:10] <vorian> apachelogger: the package looks good
[21:11] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  i guess it is Renchi Raju, Gilles Caulier, Marcel Wiesweg
[21:11] <Xand3r> but i am not sure
[21:11] <apachelogger> schweet
[21:11] <vorian> there was a small issue with the upstream manpage
[21:11] <apachelogger> vorian: small == ?
[21:11] <apachelogger> Xand3r: sounds good to me
[21:11] <vorian> I: stjerm: hyphen-used-as-minus-sign usr/share/man/man8/stjerm.8.gz:109
[21:12] <Xand3r> apachelogger: kk
[21:12] <vorian> did not excape a hyphen correctly
[21:12] <vorian> escape*
[21:12] <apachelogger> hm
[21:13] <apachelogger> vorian: easy enough to patch it yourself I guess ;-)
[21:13] <apachelogger> vorian: leave a note about that and advocate
[21:13] <vorian> got it
[21:13] <apachelogger> cool
[21:13] <vorian> done!
[21:13] <apachelogger> vorian: up to uploading then :)
[21:14] <vorian> erm
[21:14] <vorian> ok
[21:14] <apachelogger> hm
[21:14] <Xand3r> apachelogger: upstream autors are the same like the copyright holders?
[21:14] <apachelogger> vorian: ultimately you dch -a a changelog entry and note that you introduced that fix
[21:15] <apachelogger> then just debuild -S -sa and dput ubuntu DSCFILE
[21:15] <vorian> gotcha
[21:15]  * apachelogger also notes that without change it would be - debuild -S -sa -k"YourKeyName" :)
[21:16] <vorian> ja, i have that all set in devscripts
[21:16] <apachelogger> aye
[21:16] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, if there is an AUTHORS file you would use the people listed there
[21:16] <apachelogger> otherwise just use the copyright holders
[21:16] <Xand3r> oh kk
[21:18] <Xand3r> apachelogger: all or only the mainß
[21:18] <vorian> ah, i see it now
[21:18] <vorian> i couldn't see the illegal hyphens
[21:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r: hm?
[21:20] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  the hole AUTHORS file http://paste.ubuntu.com/26018/
[21:20] <apachelogger> vorian: archived the revu upload
[21:20] <apachelogger> smarter: you could give vorian a cookie and ask him for a revu of kvpm later on ;-)
[21:21] <vorian> lol
[21:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: just reuse the copyright holders
[21:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I am not sure this file is 100% up-to-date
[21:21] <Xand3r> ok
[21:36] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  Copyright http://paste.ubuntu.com/26024/ ; changelog http://paste.ubuntu.com/26025/ ; control http://paste.ubuntu.com/26026/
[21:37] <Xand3r> apachelogger: please review the pastes cause my upload is so weak it would take hours with the changes on revu
[21:38] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you can do debuild -S ... then it would only upload the diff and dsc
[21:38] <apachelogger> in theory at least ;-)
[21:38] <Xand3r> hmm
[21:39] <Xand3r> i dont trust in the theory
[21:40] <Xand3r> apachelogger: have you found something?
[21:42] <apachelogger> Xand3r: please make the description reflect it is for KDE 4
[21:42] <Xand3r> hmm ok
[21:42] <apachelogger> Xand3r: It was downloaded from http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/digikam/digikam-0.10.0-beta1.tar.bz2
[21:42] <apachelogger> no complete paths!
[21:43] <apachelogger> Xand3r: digikam.org or something
[21:43] <Xand3r> hmm ok
[21:44] <Xand3r> done both
[21:44] <apachelogger> well
[21:45] <apachelogger> upload
[21:45] <Xand3r> first of all i will build it here and look at the logs
[21:45] <Xand3r> upload would take hours
[21:47] <Xand3r> it sems you dont belief me, i realy have an 6kb/s upload
[21:49] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: They are discussing compiling it on #digikam now if you want to sit in
[21:50] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ^
[21:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: who's the amarok dude(s) at last.fm?
[21:51] <Nightrose> Riddell: mxcl
[21:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: muesli and mxcl
[22:10] <Xand3r> apachelogger: something i going wrong here, pbuilder compiles it with the libkipi but it normaly would need the dev
[22:10] <Xand3r> but with dev i get an error
[22:11] <apachelogger> which error
[22:12] <Xand3r> with the dev files it could not find libkipi
[22:12] <Xand3r> maybeit was not installed
[22:13] <Xand3r> i have now 38% without any error massage
[22:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: I uploaded your kdebase-workspace diff, sorry for the delay, maybe we should look at putting a kde4.mk in cdbs since that change might be needed everywhere else too
[22:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, workspace should be the only one, but I really think we should move kde4.mk to cdbs
[22:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm just mindful it's diverging from debian (but then it is anyway) and also that cdbs has broken whenever I've touched it
[22:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: having own cdbs copies for every package is just awful for maintaining IMHO
[22:19] <apachelogger> we probably should also remove DEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR = debian/tmp
[22:19] <apachelogger> it makes installing stuff from debian/ impossible
[22:19] <apachelogger> through debian/install that is of course :)
[22:20] <Riddell> you can use ..
[22:21] <apachelogger> hm
[22:21]  * apachelogger tries
[22:22] <Riddell> toma: adding GFDL to mailody
[22:23] <dAskreeCh> GFDL?
[22:23] <toma> o, do i get rich now?
[22:23] <Riddell> dAskreeCh: docs licence
[22:23] <Riddell> toma: seems unlikely
[22:24] <toma> Riddell: ok, do you mean in kubuntu or upstream?
[22:24] <Riddell> toma: upstream
[22:24] <toma> Riddell: okido!
[22:24] <Riddell> Xand3r: are you still working on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mailody-kde4 ?
[22:25] <dAskreeCh> ah right
[22:26] <Xand3r> emm ok i will do the changes
[22:26] <Xand3r> sorry
[22:26] <apachelogger> hm
[22:26]  * apachelogger is wondering why .. in debian/install didn't work earlier
[22:26] <apachelogger> ah well
[22:27]  * apachelogger hands Riddell a cookie
[22:27] <Riddell> Xand3r: you can ignore the lack of GFDL, I just added it upstream
[22:28] <Xand3r> Riddell: thx
[22:30] <Xand3r> Riddell: do i select akonadi-kde?
[22:31] <apachelogger> hm
[22:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: akonadi-kde, akonadi-server
[22:32]  * apachelogger is wondering why -kde doesn't depend -server
[22:33] <Xand3r> apachelogger: thx
[22:33] <apachelogger> actually
[22:33] <apachelogger> toma: does mailody require the akonadi stuff from kdepim?
[22:34] <toma> apachelogger: hmm, the user would like the resources at runtime, not needed at build time
[22:34] <apachelogger> ok
[22:34] <toma> apachelogger: but i think kdepimlibs/akonadi should pull them in
[22:36] <apachelogger> toma: the kdepimlibs package doesn't
[22:36]  * apachelogger adds an investigation to his todo
[22:36] <Xand3r> apachelogger: where i can get the right synopsis?
[22:36] <toma> apachelogger: yeah, not sure what would be best to do here
[22:36] <apachelogger> Xand3r: mailody --help
[22:37] <apachelogger> toma: trial and error ;-)
[22:37] <toma> no, i mean package wise
[22:37] <Xand3r> ok for it i have to install it
[22:37] <Xand3r> but i have no intrepid
[22:38] <Xand3r> apachelogger: so what is to do?
[22:40] <apachelogger> Xand3r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26045/
[22:40] <apachelogger> Xand3r: oh, btw, about the question you had earlier
[22:40] <apachelogger> sudo pbuilder login --save-after login
[22:40] <apachelogger> then you can edit the /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:40] <apachelogger> then run apt-get update
[22:41] <apachelogger> upon exit this will be your new pbuilder
[22:41] <Xand3r> ah another way
[22:41] <apachelogger> and to install software
[22:41] <apachelogger> just run sudo pbuilder login
[22:41] <apachelogger> it will tell you the path your chroot is extracted to
[22:41] <apachelogger> copy the deb to tmp/ or something
[22:41] <apachelogger> and then install it in the pbuilder
[22:42] <apachelogger> toma: I'll try to find out tomorrow
[22:43] <Xand3r> apachelogger: how can i build such a gigant man with docbook?
[22:44] <apachelogger> Xand3r: manually
[22:44] <apachelogger> or you lazy and ask me to do it with motu magic ;-)
[22:45] <Xand3r> moto magic
[22:45] <Xand3r> is good
[22:45] <Xand3r> apachelogger: so show me
[22:45] <vorian> na, Xand3r should do it old school
[22:46] <apachelogger> vorian: do you really want him to do that?
[22:46] <vorian> well, i suppose not
[22:46] <apachelogger> :D
[22:46] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, you can't do it, because you don't have it installed ;-)
[22:47] <apachelogger> Xand3r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26049/
[22:47] <Xand3r> apachelogger: thx alot
[22:48]  * apachelogger is wondering whether Xand3r is wondering why apachelogger was that fast :P
[22:50] <Xand3r> apachelogger: no, you are the master, you have to be so fast
[22:51] <apachelogger> hm, that sounds like an almost reasonable explanaition ;-)
[22:52] <Xand3r> ^^
[22:52] <apachelogger> vorian: how does it feel to be a MOTU?
[22:53] <Xand3r> new source is up, redy to find new stupid mistakes
[22:57] <vorian> apachelogger: weird
[22:58] <vorian> :)
[22:58] <apachelogger> hehe
[22:58] <vorian> haha
[23:01]  * vorian is looking at kvpm
[23:03] <Xand3r> vorian: if you have time could you review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mailody-kde4
[23:04] <vorian> Xand3r: sure thing, might be later in the evening.
[23:04] <Xand3r> kk
[23:04] <apachelogger> hm
[23:04] <Xand3r> my watch says 00:00
[23:04] <apachelogger> that is later in the night for Xand3r anyway :P
[23:04] <vorian> it's 6pm here
[23:04] <Xand3r> emm no 00:04
[23:04] <vorian> ok, earlier in the morning then?
[23:04] <vorian> :P
[23:05] <Xand3r> kk
[23:05] <Xand3r> has digikam-kde4 conflicts with digikam?
[23:05] <apachelogger> vorian: morning is a matter of definiton really ;-)
[23:05] <apachelogger> Xand3r: yes
[23:05] <vorian> right-o
[23:05] <Xand3r> apachelogger: kk
[23:06] <apachelogger> Xand3r: and digikam-doc I guess
[23:06] <vorian> i'll switch my irssi shell to utc
[23:06] <apachelogger> Xand3r: considering digikam comes with documentation
[23:07] <Xand3r> hmmm
[23:07] <apachelogger> vorian: I am running my whole life according to UTC from time to time
[23:07] <apachelogger> hm
[23:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you actually think about that once?
[23:07]  * apachelogger only started with that to get better organized with his amarok release schedules
[23:07] <Xand3r> apachelogger: no -doc only -dbb
[23:08] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, you should have a -dbg in your debian/control which conflicts the digikam-dbg
[23:08] <apachelogger> digikam-kde4-dbg vs. digikam-dbg
[23:08] <Xand3r> kk
[23:09] <Nightrose> apachelogger: uhmm it seems i am as well
[23:09] <Nightrose> ;-)
[23:10] <apachelogger> Xand3r: conercning mailody - please add a copyright statement to the manpage itself
[23:10] <apachelogger> *concerning
[23:10] <Xand3r> -.-
[23:10] <Xand3r> i am tired
[23:11] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[23:11] <apachelogger> Xand3r: and add a debian/watch file
[23:11] <apachelogger> to learn something new ;-)
[23:11] <apachelogger> Xand3r: see man uscan for information about that
[23:12] <Xand3r> gnaaaaaaa
[23:14] <Xand3r> digikam stands, only details are to do
[23:15] <Xand3r> and i why i can compile it with libkipi, i normaly need the dev
[23:15] <Xand3r> may be something is not rigth there
[23:15] <Xand3r> so i go sleeping folks
[23:16] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i go sleeping, nini
[23:16] <Nightrose> night Xand3r
[23:16] <apachelogger> nini Xand3r
[23:16] <Xand3r> night Nightrose
[23:23] <Nightrose> heh apachelogger... - and there is my "your signed key" mail as well :P
[23:24] <Nightrose> that was like a year ago - jeeez
[23:27] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:32] <smarter> 'night everyone