[00:15] hmm dist-upgrading isn't quite feasible yet is it [00:43] OK, what needs to be done like right now? [00:43] gimme a list [00:43] it is way to hot and humid to ride tonight, so I shall stay in, do laundry and hack on Kubuntu and KDE stuff [00:44] nixternal: do we really want dfsg for ktorrent? [00:44] and hello :) [00:44] yes, ktorrent should be dfsg, cuz if it isn't, then it means it isn't free [00:45] roger [00:46] unless you want to put it in multiverse and have me stop using it :) [00:46] haha [00:46] i don't know about that ... [00:46] and don't plan on shipping it on our isos [00:47] really? [00:47] oh [00:47] ya, we don't ship multiverse stuff in our isos [00:47] * vorian needs to read more closely [00:47] only main, the free stuff, except for our bogus kernel :P [00:47] right, i thought you typed "we won't be shipping it on our isos" [00:47] or not our kernel, but the restricted-modules I should say [00:47] my mistake [00:47] werd === papabean_ is now known as papabean [01:43] nixternal: you could fix replaces and such in intrepid packages to make upgrades possible :D [01:47] yuriy: is there a bug-tag for those? [01:47] * vorian looks [01:49] vorian: I'm just referring to my current upgrading attempt [01:50] though a lot of problems were solved by removing all hardy kde4 packages that I missed [01:50] the kdebase-runtime package [01:50] ah, i see [01:50] and there are a lot of dependency problems with Xorg [01:50] yeah [03:03] Be back tomorrow [04:00] oh man. i finally find out why my kopete didnt compile with jabber-support [04:01] i can die now (after adding the info to the kde techbase ;)) [05:14] intrepid and my laptop aren't very good friends [05:18] I'm strangely un tempted by intrepid this cycle [05:46] * yuriy watches intrepid/kde 4.1 restore his ancient kde3 session [05:47] now if only xserver-xorg-input-mouse was installed [05:47] Ha ha that's sweet [05:47] or -kbd for that matter === kewark is now known as krawek [07:48] mouz: yakuake > stjerm [07:49] Nightrose: the red is too red [07:49] compile something with cmake and you'll almost get blinded by the redness of red [07:49] apachelogger: the read is perfect as it shows new queries here ;-) [07:49] -a [07:50] * apachelogger honelsty doesn'ty like it [07:50] the green is also a bit too bright [07:50] but the red can kill [07:50] hehe [09:07] hi there [09:07] Riddell: ping ? [09:19] apachelogger: does that mean you do not want to review my packaging of stjerm? [09:25] mouz: it has lower priority [12:35] mouz: revued [13:02] Riddell: ping ? [13:04] hi Tonio_ [13:05] * smarter waves [13:06] could someone please upload my updated kde4-style-bespin package? http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/bespin/ [13:07] I was wondering if I should rename it to kde-style-bespin [13:09] everything else is being moved from kde4 to kde including the profiles and friends [13:09] smarter: kde 3 widget styles are mostly still installable I think, so probably best to keep them as kde- and kde 4 ones as kde4- for now [13:09] ok [13:09] (also available at: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/bespin/ubuntu) [13:25] apachelogger: i know now the problem, in hardy qt4.4 is in the backports of hardy [13:26] if i build on a build server are there the backports included? [13:28] apachelogger: i set in the build-depends libqt4-dev (>=4.4) [13:28] s that declared right? [13:32] smarter: maybe you could help me? [13:35] ScottK: hi, the only problem there is ,screenie-qt depends on libqt4-dev from qt4.4 [13:35] so it needs the backport qt [13:38] no one here -.- [13:48] Riddell: hey ;) [13:48] Riddell: what about the plan to write a xrandr gui ? [13:48] Riddell: a collegue of mine would eventually be interested [13:49] mostly I was hoping the one in KDE would fix itself for 4.1 [13:49] Riddell: the point is that the krandrtray and randr kpart are still being worked on by kde guys... [13:49] Riddell: okay so you would wait for 4.1 and then decide what to do ? [13:49] Riddell: in any case I might have a resource available in case we have to code something [13:49] well, it would be nice to know what the chances are of it working [13:49] Riddell: and on the other hand, I'm going for several contrib days tomorrow [13:50] Riddell: lot of work recently, but for all the week, I'll be there for packaging stuff [13:50] Riddell: well the kcm module guy is currently a nightmare :) [13:50] Riddell: so as sad a few days ago, this time I'm back :) tomorrow morning 9 am... [13:51] Riddell: I'll need to make a point on the intrepid status to write a hudge todo for the next weeks [13:52] Riddell: also, will you be there at the oscon ? [13:52] Riddell: I will [13:52] nope [13:56] i need some help, i whant to include hardy backport in my pbuilder-dist, so i added the line in ~/pbuilder/etc/hardy/apt.conf/sources.list [13:57] but if i use the command pbuilder-dist hardy update , the new line is ignored, what i have done wrong? [13:58] * Riddell has never got that to work [13:58] Xand3r: I think you have to edit /etc/pbuilderrc [13:59] Xand3r: you need to use --override-config [13:59] when running your udpate, after config changes. [14:01] Hobbsee: so i edit the source.list in that dir above nd than i run "pbuilder-dist hardy update --override-config"? [14:02] Xand3r: yes, assuming that it's actually using those configuration files [14:03] cool now it runs thx [14:04] Riddell: it's not that hard, really. [14:04] I've not tried hard [14:05] huh? [14:06] Riddell: if a package need a nother package from the backports, does that makes problems? [14:07] Xand3r: problems for what? [14:07] for the building [14:08] Xand3r: no, it'll pull it from the repository [14:09] i want to get screenie-qt backported, it needs the libqt4-dev, but the 4.4 from the backport [14:12] qt 4.4 is in backports, so there's no problem [14:12] why does it need libqt4-dev anyway? [14:14] hmm [14:15] the intrepid package needed it [14:50] mornin' [14:50] * nixternal notes to Riddell that he is still awaiting the "how-to" email :) [14:50] are there any current show stoppers? [15:01] morning! [15:01] * yuriy hugs txwikinger and JontheEchidna [15:02] Good morning [15:02] hi yuriy [15:08] yay X actually installs now [15:16] hooray [15:16] *upgrades* [15:21] Hmm, I'll be back in half an hour [15:36] hm [15:36] bug 235171 [15:36] Launchpad bug 235171 in kdegames "solitaire: spider is too hard!!!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235171 [15:36] what to do with that? [15:40] Confucious say, noobs must die [15:41] JontheEchidna: good point [15:41] :p [15:42] I doubt anyone would do anything about it anyway [15:42] Hmm, what about bug 38887 [15:42] Launchpad bug 38887 in gdm "Login managers should list "Ubuntu"/"Kubuntu" as options instead of "GNOME"/"KDE"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38887 [15:42] Because I don't think they should [15:43] well [15:43] no, they shouldn't [15:43] that is like dont use sdofi use swo [15:43] it's as likely that someone doesn't know what the difference between Kubuntu/Ubuntu [15:43] Hmm, it looks like somebody rejected it but forgot to actually close it. [15:44] JontheEchidna: give it a final kick then ;-) [15:51] JontheEchidna: what do you think about bug 89348 [15:51] Launchpad bug 89348 in kdegames "some installed games have bad command string" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89348 [15:53] Hmm, shouldn't he file separate bugs for each package that does that, or at the least assign that bug to the different packages that still have the problem? [15:53] It doesn't seem to be a KDE problem either way. [15:53] well [15:54] it effects all kdegames [15:54] though I think it is pretty won't fix [15:54] usr/games is in the default PATH [15:54] if someone changes it, it's really his own fault [15:54] Yeah, he should put usr/games in his path if he wants it to work [15:55] otherwise I could just remove usr/bin and say I want all other desktop files with absolute path [15:55] True [15:55] + [15:55] quoting the spec: [15:55] Exec Program to execute, possibly with arguments. [15:55] not path to an executable [15:55] ;-) [15:55] hehe [15:57] By default Dolphin has an entry for network:/ on the sidebar, right? [15:57] yes [15:58] Ok, I removed some entries so I wasn't sure [16:00] Riddell: shouldn't kdewebdev-kde4 be moved to kdewebdev? [16:09] So about bug 63287, should I mark it fixed since currently Intrepid's kdm theme uses normal button widgets, or should we wait to see what sort of kdm theme intrepid will get? [16:09] Launchpad bug 63287 in kdebase "Login screen menu button doesn't look like a menu button" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63287 [16:11] oha [16:11] schweet [16:11] vorian: congrats! [16:11] * apachelogger hands everyone a glass of beer [16:13] JontheEchidna: wouldn't say so [16:13] theming is coming back [16:14] So then we should wait until we get a theme? [16:16] I'd say so [16:18] Btw, is Kubuntu going to place the trashcan plasmoid in the panel by default for Intrepid? [16:21] in case we are able to [17:05] apachelogger: I'm unsure about kdewebdev, the kde4 version doesn't include quanta yet which is the main application [17:05] what's wrong with lp? [17:06] wrong shade of green? [17:06] dunno, I'd need a clue [17:06] I can't login anymore [17:08] works for me [17:09] well. I have sent me the reset password thingy.. maybe that works [17:11] hmm.. can't install nvidia, can't boot .26 kernel, can't use an external monitor with nv, and nv+krfb+vncviewer is really really slow [17:21] with my broken backlight, I think that leaves me with ssh -X for testing [17:43] ScottK: where's your guidance stuff? [17:44] Riddell: you received my email from sunday? [17:45] Czessi__: about sending the poster stand? [17:46] yes [17:46] Czessi__: that's the right address, I'll pick it up there for lugradio live then take it to akademy [17:47] Riddell: ok, thanks. i'll try to send it tomorrow [17:47] hey! [17:48] ScottK: bug 245339? Surely guidance-power-manager now needs to depend on guidance-backends [17:48] Launchpad bug 245339 in guidance-power-manager "[intrepid] package guidance-power-manager 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245339 [17:49] hi Xand3r, I uploaded kwin-style-crystal [17:49] Riddell: thx a lot [17:51] * Riddell out [18:03] afternoon [18:35] Xand3r: wanna package digikam-kde4? [18:35] apachelogger: it would be much or? [18:35] *shrug* [18:36] digikam is about the same amoutn of work as amarok I guess [18:36] and it's using the same release script :D [18:36] * apachelogger is pretty proud [18:36] apachelogger: that says nothin to me [18:36] Xand3r: well, take a look at it [18:37] you can mostly root your work in the kde3 package [18:37] ah [18:37] ok i will have a look at it [18:38] apachelogger: where is the bug i have to assingn? [18:39] Xand3r: create one [18:41] ok [18:42] b0rked KDE :D [18:46] omg [18:47] how could you [18:47] why does konq lose intermittently the ability to store cookies? [18:47] works for me [18:47] I had to re-login [18:47] Now it works again too [18:47] maybe kded crashed [18:47] yeah maybe [18:47] I think the cookiejar is running as kded module [18:47] shouldn't use this old KDE3 stuff :D [18:48] yes it is [18:48] at least in KDE3 [18:48] not sure about KDE4 [18:52] apachelogger: is libkipi already build? [18:53] don't think so [18:53] oh actually [18:53] kipi is part of kdegraphics nowadays [18:53] Xand3r: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1 [18:53] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+package/libkipi-dev [18:54] but i dont have to build it ^^ [18:55] righty right [18:57] smarter: btw, kvpm revued [18:57] omg i download the files right now, it seams to be the wrong, but i see how much files theire are in, with my 6 kb/s upload i will have fun [18:57] apachelogger: thanks [18:57] apachelogger: what's the X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true for? [18:57] the pictures take much place [18:58] smarter: kdesu [18:58] ok [19:01] apachelogger: i am checking out svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/graphics/digikam [19:01] is that the right digikam version? [19:01] no [19:01] Xand3r: digikam.org [19:02] -.- [19:02] it is from the hp [19:02] i will download a tar [19:04] apachelogger: version 0.10 right? [19:04] yes [19:04] ok have i to name the package digikam-kde4? [19:05] apachelogger: ^ [19:06] Xand3r: aye [19:06] ok [19:07] is 0.10 stable? [19:07] dAskreeCh: no [19:10] Expected to be stable by 10 ? [19:10] really? so intrepid will still have the KDE3 version? [19:11] yuriy: really? [19:12] I thought only the the apps that will not be ported will be available in the KDE3 form under KDE4 [19:12] txwikinger: talking about digikam. i'm surprised that apachelogger said 0.10 should be digikam-kde4 [19:12] It should [19:12] yuriy: it is alpha [19:13] definitely won't be stable or RC by october? [19:13] *shrug* [19:13] unlike ubuntu [19:13] I don't rely on other's schedules [19:14] though, we could ship digikam beta and then release 8.10.1 once digikam 0.10 final is out :P [19:14] I thought .1 were a LTS thing [19:15] so? KDE 4.1 is stable enough to go LTS and we still are one LTS release behind ;-) [19:16] apachelogger: That's a good point :) [19:17] Just need to convince canonical to keep the repos open a few months longer than normal :) [19:17] KDE4 will not be stable enough for LTS for another year [19:17] I guess then we could also ship some alpha/beta of Amarok which would be make Nightrose happy :D [19:17] * happy [19:17] haha [19:17] not really [19:17] well [19:17] maybe [19:17] :P [19:18] <- easy to make her happy [19:18] well.. you have another 2 weeks to go from alpha/beta to release [19:18] Should be enough since you guys have nothing else to do :p [19:18] * Nightrose kicks txwikinger [19:19] honey [19:19] you have unused workforce [19:19] that is waste of developer's lifetime IMO [19:19] ah thank you... my back is stiff and needs that [19:19] hm [19:19] Nightrose: I was going to say it's easy to make you happy but decided to hold my tongue umm fingers. [19:19] when was 3.5.9 released? [19:19] dAskreeCh: ;-) [19:19] sick [19:20] apachelogger: honey I know - just that all of the folks i had to do work suddenly went MIA [19:20] February 19th, 2008 (The INTERNET) [19:20] txwikinger: you're welcome ;-) [19:20] The INTERNET is no authority to quote from [19:20] Nightrose: MIAmi? [19:20] txwikinger: KDE e.V. is [19:20] apachelogger: :P maybe [19:20] I would certainly go to MIAmi [19:20] apachelogger: well you did not say that [19:21] MIAmi.. around this time? [19:21] No thank you [19:21] txwikinger: well [19:21] look at it [19:21] Gators and mosquitos [19:21] where did I indicate a quote? [19:21] February 19th, 2008 (The INTERNET) [19:21] that was a random alignment of chars and digits [19:21] oO [19:21] well.. next time just give the Gödelnummer [19:21] that will save bandwidth [19:22] Gödelnumber eveb [19:22] even [19:22] somehow I don't get to my EU - Anti-competition law stuff today [19:23] txwikinger: that leaves more time for beer [19:23] where is vorian anyway [19:23] apachelogger: do i need any stuff from digikam-kde3? [19:24] * apachelogger suspects he is already drunk and lying somewhere under some table in some channel starting with ubu or kubu [19:24] Xand3r: the descriptions? [19:24] some deps? [19:24] the binary package deps? [19:24] the copyright? [19:24] beer? You want to kill me with engl. beer? [19:24] and stUff and stuff [19:24] txwikinger: you don't get imported beer on the island? [19:25] yes .. corona [19:25] <3 corona [19:25] well [19:25] sometimes [19:25] <3 captain ;-) [19:25] apachelogger: -.- ok [19:25] Viva Mejico! [19:28] hm [19:28] by times I find bug reports very strange [19:28] ^^ [19:28] bug 48146 [19:28] Launchpad bug 48146 in kdegraphics "Poor font rendering in kpdf" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48146 [19:29] 2nd comment has some examples [19:29] and IMO the kpdf rendering looks more readable than the xpdf one [19:29] in fact I get dizzy from the latter [19:29] I must agree [19:30] KDE3 does not work.. KDE4 does not work... what is this? [19:30] txwikinger: you b0rked it all [19:30] time for reinstall [19:30] yes.... I am good in that [19:30] no .. already fixed it [19:31] twm ftw! [19:31] need to switch desktops effect on and off that I have a decorator running [19:31] JontheEchidna: you know, I think what they call poor font rendering is just a different font ;-) [19:31] Heh [19:31] apachelogger: looks to me like it's using a different font [19:31] I wouldn't really say one is more readable than the other [19:32] xpdf - look at the first 2 words for 3 seconds [19:32] if you don't feel dizzy then you must be a pirate or something... at least used to boats [19:33] I can very slightly see what you mean [19:33] :D [19:33] I say [ask him to] check in okular [19:33] or just claim it works in okular [19:34] and not mention that I don't see the problem in the screenshot :P [19:34] Didn't ktip get offed for KDE4? [19:34] I think by default [19:35] I seem to remember a gleefully written entry in commit-digest about it [19:35] hm [19:35] <-- got an idea [19:35] By Riddell as I recall [19:35] yeah, I think it was Riddell [19:35] Nightrose: can you please look at http://www.proxc.com/kpdf/kubuntu6.10-kpdf.png http://www.proxc.com/kpdf/kubuntu6.10-xpdf.png http://www.proxc.com/kpdf/fc6-kpdf.png and tell me whether you think the rendering in the kubuntu kpdf one is worse than in the others [19:36] * JontheEchidna looks in adept for ktip-kde4 [19:36] apachelogger: k [19:36] Yes! KTip really is dead! :o [19:37] Too bad this bug isn't KTip's fault... [19:37] Else I could close it :( [19:37] JontheEchidna: what is / was ktip? [19:37] At startup you'd get a tip of the day thing [19:37] Nobody used it and it was annoying [19:37] oh... [19:37] yeah [19:37] AFAIR when you start up a program and it says Did you Know?? [19:37] I just wish I knoew how to change those litle pop ups from the tray [19:38] that question is stupid in itself IMHO [19:38] hehe [19:38] if I know it - why would I want to read it [19:38] if I don't know it - why would I want to be confronted with my stupidity in not knowing it [19:38] apachelogger: hmmmm it is different - but worse.... not really IMHO [19:38] ok [19:39] merci beaucoup Nightrose [19:39] :) [19:39] apachelogger: Ignorance is not really stupidity [19:40] well, it gives some kind of uncool feeling [19:40] apachelogger: can i use the old copyright? cause it maybe changed some things [19:41] Xand3r: you can use the old one and update it ;-) [19:41] but I think doing it from scratch is faster [19:41] so make a totaly new on? [19:42] apachelogger: I think the largest problem was that it was maintained somewhat like fortune with random people putting in info [19:42] ok thx apachelogger [19:43] dAskreeCh: what is the problem with random people? [19:45] apachelogger: one app would have the same "tip" written in 3 different ways. Some tips were things like Smile and the world Smiles with you. And most of all none of them had anythin to do with KDE4 [19:45] JontheEchidna: you're not doing 5-a-day? [19:45] nope [19:46] dAskreeCh: that can happen with one guy as well [19:46] apachelogger: Except the 3 different ways one [19:46] dAskreeCh: of course [19:46] imagine [19:47] you are doing these tips in a 2 years time frame [19:47] dAskreeCh: well.. we had a new software on an exhibition once and an error message that was quite X-rated popped up in the middle of a demo for a customer [19:47] let's say ever 6 months you add a bunch [19:47] there is no way you will remember all the added tips after 2 years [19:47] The developer that checked that stuff in had a lot of explaining to do [19:48] txwikinger: I'll assume this wasn't a customer who was peddling xrated stuff? [19:49] No.. a customer that was supposed to give us a very large contract [19:49] apachelogger: new upload of kvpm at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kvpm ;) [19:49] and a customer that was not amused about it [19:50] apachelogger: I think the developer would clean up things from KDE2 at least [19:50] I can't remember stuff from KDE2 [19:50] that said, KDE 3 was much like KDE 2 in the beginning :P [19:50] and not anything like KDE 3.5 [19:51] smarter: did you testbuild with the manpage? [19:51] apachelogger: yep [19:51] * apachelogger advocates [19:51]