_ricardousing adept not work, are retaining qt4 packages, and inform error00:00
Gustinyou should remove the old feisty lines if you added the hardy ones00:00
vipexArhh i didnt found anything:S00:00
Gustintry aptitude, it is CLI00:01
_ricardoi have no fesity lines i have dapper (6.06)00:01
Gustinsame difference00:01
dwidmann_laptopI've been having trouble with my intel 3945 wireless in hardy ..... seems sometimes (frequently) actual transmission speeds drop to about 100kbs (unacceptably slow), and I have to turn the wireless off, back on, and reconnect to the network to get "the speed" back00:01
_ricardoaptitude don't find the packages00:01
Gustinsudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade00:01
GustinI just did a bunch of dapper to hardy upgrades (mostly all servers) without issue00:02
ikoniaGustin: is there not an "update-manager" tool in kde ?00:02
Gustinthere may be, but I never bother00:02
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psycowould anyone know why my glide wrappes just shows up as black?>00:03
GustinI am an old Debian user, the GUI varients just annoy me :)00:03
vipexhey i got kubuntu how i ccan update itto ubuntu whats the shortest way? And easiest00:03
Gustinjust install ubuntu-desktop00:03
Gustinthere is really no difference under the hood between Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Xubuntu00:04
Gustinyou can in fact have them all installed at once00:04
vipexubuntu is cooler00:04
Dr_willis_Gustin,  not really.00:04
Gustinnot IMO00:04
Dr_willis_the differances are just what part X uses for the desktop00:04
Gustinwell the boot manager will change to the last one00:04
Dr_willis_The LOGIN manager can  be changed.00:05
candivevipex, start, system, adept manager00:05
Dr_willis_grub is the boot manager.  thats the same. The logo/screens can be changed also.00:05
GustinI have XFCE, GNOME, KDE, and KDE4 all installed here00:05
GustinI stand corrected, login manager00:05
Gustinusually one of kdm, gdm xdm00:05
vipexi have adpt manager opened now00:05
candivevipex fetch updates00:06
Dr_willis_I do find it best to use GDM if using gnome mainly, and kdm if using kde.00:06
Gustinkdm works just fine for me, for all of the desktop managers I have installed00:07
vipexcandive: what then?00:07
bobohelp getting copmiz features working00:07
vipexit did tht in 1minute00:07
candiveis apply changes lit up?00:07
boboi have compiz working just cant get the cube effect working00:08
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candivevipex, can choose apply changes or complete update00:09
Maximilian212In my computer is a second hard drive with 240 GB ... how can I mount it?  I cannot see it in /media00:09
Gustinls -la /dev/disk/by-id00:10
Maximilian212Gustin:  is this a solution for me?00:10
vipexcandive: U mean version update?00:10
GustinMaximilian212: it should tell you if the drive is detected00:10
boboplease can anyone help me get the effects working right00:11
Gustinbobo: I turn them off, so no I can't help :)00:11
candivevipex, yes it will update to the newest version if thats what you want or you can just update the existing distro00:12
GustinMaximilian212: in kde an umounted drive also shows up in konqueror with media:/00:12
GustinMaximilian212: what file system does this drive have?00:13
_ricardoit seems that work thanks00:13
Maximilian212Gustin: ntfs00:13
vipexcandive: öhh sofull upgrade or version upgrade00:13
bobois there another channel that might be able to help me00:14
GustinMaximilian212: that probably explains why it is not auto mounted00:14
candivevipexn in answer to the update question. "complete Upgrade"00:14
GustinMaximilian212: I added the following line to my /etc/fstab00:14
GustinMaximilian212: UUID=F4F44487F4444E54   /opt/windows    ntfs-3g uid=gbjohnso,rw,user    0       000:15
vipexhere isnt any button whats called complete upgrade:D00:15
GustinMaximilian212: of course you will have to get the UUID from /dev/disk/by-uuid and pick your own mount point00:15
candivevipex,  full upgrade00:16
Maximilian212ok it was /dev/sdb100:16
Maximilian212now I only need to add it to /etc/fstab00:17
GustinMaximilian212: I would use the uuid, this won't change, whereas if you add another drive, it might be sda00:18
candivevipex, ? where are you, Country??00:18
candiveI am Canadian00:19
vipexcandive :finland00:24
martijn81the Netherlands her00:25
vipexcan i have finland irc channel00:26
BluesKajcandive, molsons eh ? :)00:27
candivevipex, :) How is the update going? BluesKaj, aayyyyyyyyyy00:27
candivevipex, I do not know00:28
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candiveubotto, fin | vipex00:29
candive!ubotto, fin |vipex00:30
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about ubotto, fin00:30
Githzerai!fin | vipex00:30
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about fin00:30
Jucato!fi | vipex00:30
ubottuvipex: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi00:30
candiveGithzerai, thanks00:30
Githzeraicandive: Thank Jucato ;) I missed it also00:31
candiveJucato, thanks00:31
vipexcandive: 30% loaded00:32
candivevipex, I must say it is very cool helping someone :) :)00:33
vipexcandive : :D00:33
vipexcandive, thx for helping00:34
candivevipex, my pleasure!00:34
vipexcandive,im getting on this week new laptop:d acer aspire 5520:D00:34
vipexcandive, this computer is 7 years old:D00:35
candivevipex, an old linux is better than a new w w windows. there I said it. :D00:36
vipexcandive: ? why?00:37
Gustinmore reliable?00:37
candiveIt was a joke that does not translate well00:37
GustinI am only half joking :)00:38
candiveI'm not, I have the linux penguin drinking windows sucks more.00:39
vipexyh i know linux is faster but windows vista is cooler00:39
vipexso when my laptop come's i should install linux?00:39
candivevipex, your choice00:40
Gustinwhat he said00:40
Gustinand cooler?  Not in my opinion00:40
Gustinunless a 4GB windows folder is "cool"00:40
Gustinand a 30% IO penalty00:41
vipexO_o im not understanding what u are speaking about Gustin:D00:41
candivevipex, you can make linux distros act like and look like vista if that's what you want . it called Freedom of choice key word being Freedom00:42
candivevipex, a lot of people find vista a big headache because it takes a LOT of memory to run = slow00:44
Rioting_pacifisthey i was running ufo 2.3 (latest trunk) in gdb and it crashed but now my x doesnt respond to my mouse00:44
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BluesKajcandive, update ?00:47
Gustincandive: I personally have found it slow00:47
candiveBluesKaj, you want to update?00:48
candiveGustin, you have had vista?00:48
Gustinon my laptop and the GFs laptop, also my media PC came with it00:49
BluesKajto what , candive ?00:49
Gustinall machines dual core00:49
Gustin2 GB of RAM00:49
Gustinpretty sucky00:49
GustinI do appretiate GNU/Linux even more00:50
candiveBluesKaj, you addressed me and said "candive, update?"00:50
vipexin tht laptop what i buy'd have 4gb ram and dual core00:51
candivevipex, nice!00:52
Gustinon mine I have 2gb, even with 2 or 3 VMs running, it is still plenty of ram00:52
beatrizalgien ke able español00:52
BluesKajcandive, let me quote: " How is the update going? BluesKaj, aayyyyyyyyyy"00:53
Gustinnight all00:53
vipexcandive, ty it was only 600euros:D00:53
beatrizalgien ke hable español x aki00:53
candiveBluesKaj, oh ok I answered two people on one line. I was responding to your canadian ehh!00:54
BluesKajyeah, I'm a canuck as well ..00:55
candive600euros = ? Canadian dollars00:55
candiveBlueKaj, province?00:56
vipexus dollars something like 400?00:59
candiveBluesKaj, I'm Ont too00:59
candivevipex, That is a deal01:01
Agent_bobhowto find the mac address of a non-running box ?01:01
Agent_bobso i can start it01:02
vipexcandive: i know01:02
Agent_bobdon't all answer at once01:03
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Agent_bob!es | beatriz__01:04
ubottubeatriz__: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.01:04
Agent_bob!welcome | beatriz__01:05
ubottubeatriz__: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!01:05
vipexcandive , almost done 99%01:05
candiveAgent_bob, I don't know01:05
candivevipex, good01:05
vipexthx for u01:05
candivevipex, its done?01:06
Agent_bobcandive thanks for the reply,01:06
tester_When I am trying to install something on Ubuntu, and it suggests the /usr/local/whatever folder.  What path should i be using?01:06
tester_Is it wanting /usr/share/something?01:08
Dr_willis_tester_,  from source.. /usr/local/whatever is a good idea01:08
Dr_willis_or /opt/01:08
candivevipex, occasionally you will notice a red ! top right monitor this is a tab you will need to click mouse on to install updates.01:09
candivevipex, it will notify you of updates01:09
Githzeraitester_: It is necessary to be somewhere in your $PATH if u wan't to actually start it...01:09
tester_Dr_willis, thank you.  I'm having trouble w/this install from source.  are you at all familiar with aprutil1?01:09
candivevipex, ?01:10
ubottuLAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)01:10
Dr_willis_tester_,  never heard of it..01:10
Githzeraitester_: code link ?01:10
Dr_willis_tester_,  often you can give ./configure some optiuons as to where to install.   Other then that.. it depends on the app you are compiling01:10
tester_Dr_willis, ah.  thanks anyways : )  I'm trying to run .../apr-util-1.3.2$ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apr-util --with-apr=/usr/local/apr/ --with-dbm=db43 --with-berkeley-db    and its saying something is wrong with my --with-apr parameter01:11
vipexi push cANCEL?01:11
candivevipex, no01:12
Dr_willis_tester_,  i would think prefix would be /usr/local  it will most likely use some subdir in /usr/local01:12
Githzeraitester_: --with=01:12
yuriytester_: libaprutil1 is in the repositories (don't know what aprutil is, but thought I'd point that out)01:13
tester_yuiry, thanks, i'm having to compile it with a module that got left out.01:13
candivevipex, 1 minute01:13
candivevipex, fetch updates01:14
tester_Dr_willis, i'm trying to follow the instructions at: http://www.techsww.com/tutorials/libraries/apr-util/installation/installing_apache_portable_runtime_utility_library_on_ubuntu_linux.php01:14
Dr_willis_is the proper stuff in /usr/local/apr/ allready?   try compiling with out the --with-apr perhaps... and see where it wants it01:15
tester_Dr_willis, i downloaded the most current version as well, instead of the version suggested01:15
candivevipex, back in 2 minutes01:15
tester_Dr_willis, here is what it says: checking for APR... configure: error: the --with-apr parameter is incorrect. It must specify an install prefix, a build directory, or an apr-config file.01:15
Dr_willis_tester_,  i would think prefix would be /usr/local01:16
Dr_willis_try ./configgure without all the extra  options.. see if it likes that. perhaps.01:17
tester_Dr_willis, it is not having a problem with my prefix.  it is having a problem with the --with-apr=/usr/local/apr01:17
tester_Dr_willis, and I need the --with-apr= to fix my problem01:17
Dr_willis_I got no idea then. No idea what apr even is in this case.01:17
aib_i wrote a tutorial on how to maintain an ubuntu system that mixes packages between distributions. hope it helps someone http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/30100422393101:18
Dr_willis_aib_,  that a scary thing to be writing about. :)01:18
tester_dr_willis, its for use with apache, with authentication of password protected pages. DBDriver mysql will select the MySQL driver in apr_dbd_mysql.so.01:18
aib_true that, but it works well :)01:18
tester_Dr_willis, apr_dbd_mysql.so is not in the aprutil1 package as it should be.01:19
Agent_bobaib_ you probably don't want to try to get canonical to post that on the forums,01:19
aib_Agent_bob, i'm sure they don't want to provide support for it01:21
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aib_i guess its possible to mess up your system, but if you are just getting updated packages like firefox, subversion, bash etc... its no big deal01:21
aib_in fact, i don't think its very dangerous01:22
Agent_bobaib_ no danger really    not unless data loss is a big deal to you.01:22
candiveDr_willis, I do it all the time, maybe I should'nt01:23
candivemix distros that is01:23
aib_yeah we have actually been doing this for a couple of years, except we would just manually download the .deb from the newer distribution01:24
aib_this just removes a bunch of headaches01:24
aib_Agent_bob, if you have legitimate worries about data loss please post them in the thread, otherwise, don't scare people off:)01:25
Agent_bobaib_ scare whom ?01:26
vipexcandive , how i use now ubuntu?01:27
vipexi rebooted and it come again to kubuntu01:27
candivevipex, explain more what you want. I am NOT mocking you I am attempting to make translations easier01:28
vipexi installed ubuntu-desktop01:28
vipexand then restarted01:29
vipexbut how i can choose ubuntu01:29
candivevipex, who restarted tyhe computer or you?01:29
candivevipex, you do not need to restart unless you are instructed by your computer01:30
vipexso i install again?01:30
candivevipex, it should be selected by default01:30
ImLizhi every1, I've booted to a live cd and run fsck on my windowsxp drive and it states that "There are differences etween boot sector and its backup. Differences: (offset:original/backup)? Is that normal???01:30
vipexBut it didnt?01:31
ImLizIt gives me options 1)copy original to backup 2)copy backup to original 3)no action01:31
candivevipex, I believe you have updated, it will show "kubuntu" by default01:31
vipexbut i want ubuntu desktop to use  its cooler than kubntu01:32
aib_here, I posted it in the Ubuntu forums http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=331  cya01:33
candivevipex, when you start your computer next time hit top left key "Esc" it will show all. choose the top one. eventually it will start faster by default.01:33
vipexreboot now-->01:34
candivevipex, try to update again. start, system, Adept Manager01:34
candivevipex, then "Fetch Updates"01:35
Agent_bobcandive don't you hate it when that happens01:39
candiveAgent_bob, it was not that long ago that was me01:40
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Agent_bobroot root01:41
Agent_bobpfft the ubuntu forums get so abused.    new thread  " sudo echo >> /etc/modules "     is a good example of bad advice01:46
Agent_bobbesides the fact that that question would have been better fielded in irc01:46
candiveAgent_bob, what is wrong with aib idea??01:47
Agent_bobaib ?01:47
Agent_bobcandive sorry i didn't follow you there?   can you be more explicit01:48
candiveAgent_bob, aib was talking about mixing distros. What are the drawbacks, instability??01:48
Agent_boboh that aib_ idea01:48
Agent_bobyeah well you will find packages compiled against different libc6 and even glibc versions01:49
candiveAgent_bob, would it cause os instability01:50
Agent_bobmost of the time that would just error out and refuse to run.  but worst case senario one is poorly coded and actually runs.  then makes a libc6 call that is misinterpreted ....01:50
vipexcandive , not working01:50
vipexim on kubuntu01:50
candiveoh thats ok01:50
Agent_bobcandive it most common issue caused is just broken package management.01:50
ImLizI logged into kubuntu on my desktop using console login.... how do I get out of it???01:51
candivevipex, you are using kubuntu updated to the latest Ubuntu01:51
Agent_bobcandive ?  <candive> oh thats ok <<< at whom ?01:51
candiveAgent_bob, ok01:51
vipexim using kubuntu updated to ubuntu?01:52
candiveAgent_bob, sorry baby crying. "oh thats ok" directed to vipex01:52
Agent_bobImLiz sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart01:52
Agent_bobcandive ah.01:52
candivevipex, yes01:53
ImLizAgent_bob: Thank you01:54
soreaucosmo: Did you get my pm?01:54
vipexcandive , but i just installed ubuntu but  why the pc run kubntu always when i reboot01:54
vipexhow i run the ubntu?01:54
Agent_bob>>><vipex> im using kubuntu updated to ubuntu?<<<  the word "updated" seems so out of place there,  even though i understand what he is trying to say.   *ubuntu is ubuntu  ;/01:54
Agent_bobvipex logout and log back in with the gnome session      select it at login time.01:55
candiveAgent_bob, what am I missing with vipex? please01:55
vipexim loosing my mind!01:55
vipexI CANT agent_bob01:56
Agent_bobcandive i'm hoping just a pebcak  ?01:56
candivevipex, Breathe01:56
Agent_bobvipex cant what ?01:56
Agent_bobcan't log out ?01:56
Agent_bobcan't choose session ?01:56
Agent_bobcan't what ?01:56
ImLizOne question, how do I run fsck in maintenance mode???01:56
vipexchoose session01:56
Agent_bobvipex at the login screen ?01:57
ImLizor rather how do I get to maintenace mode so that I can run fsck??01:57
Agent_bobImLiz if you need to fsck the root fs you have to remount it ro   and when you are done with the fsck, reboot.    anyother fs   just umount it and  add -f to the fsck command01:58
Agent_bobImLiz "maintenace mode"    runlevel one ?01:58
Agent_bobcandive i'm expecting vipex to come back all happy he's in gnome now.....01:59
candiveAgent_bob, was that my fault did I give bad instructions??01:59
Agent_bobcandive no.02:00
candiveAgent_bob, good02:00
Agent_boblike i said just a "pebcak"02:00
Agent_bobsome say pebkac  same thing02:00
ImLizAgent_bob: I'm not sure if runlevel one... I was told to run fsck in maintenance mode after kubuntu PANIC02:00
candiveAgent_bob, what did I miss?02:01
Agent_bobwell runlevel one would be safest for that.   but you do have to      mount -o remount,ro /    first.02:01
Agent_bobcandive nothing.   are you paranoid ?02:02
Agent_bobcandive but he should be back about now....02:02
ImLizAgent_bob: sounds complicated I don't want to mess it up further lol02:02
Agent_bobunless he rebooted in place of logging out...02:02
candiveAgent_bob, no I'm not imagining it :D02:03
Agent_bobImLiz three commands.02:03
Agent_bobcandive lol02:03
ImLiz"# mount -n -o remount, rw/" I was given that.... that's all one command then?02:05
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Agent_bobImLiz i'll spell them out.      1.  sudo init 1  # this one takes you to runlevel one.  root console.    2.  mount -o remount,ro /  # this one makes the root file system readonly so you don't break something.    3. fsck -f /dev/hda1  # you will have to substitute the exact inode where i put hda1, could be sda5  or what ever.    then just three fingure salute it when it's done.02:06
Agent_bobcandive he must have rebooted...   poor guy.02:08
candiveOh Ohh02:08
candiveits a windows thing02:09
Agent_bob"reboot will fix anything"  M$ DOS 1o102:09
candiveeven linux???02:09
Walzmynhow in the devil do you make a symlink?02:10
Agent_bobWalzmyn ln -s /path/to/file  linkname02:10
candivethats for you Agent_bob02:10
Agent_bobthat  ^  ?02:10
Agent_bobWalzmyn man ln   has more details02:11
candivenever mind darn dry humor02:11
AxMstrL1anyone know why the ubuntu hardy repositories haven't updated to the latest wine?02:11
Agent_bobAxMstrL1 repos don't update to new versions.  only backports will get new versions02:12
ubottuA higher version number does not mean that it's better. Especially with packages such as the linux kernel. The packages in the Ubuntu repositories are stable and will work fine. You should have a better reason than "newer" when considering compiling from source or using 3rd party repos.02:12
candiveI knew it!!02:12
ubottuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/02:13
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AxMstrL1indeed.  I'm not sure that wine 1.10 is better than 0.9x but I know there's been a lot of flux there.  Just assuming it is.02:13
Agent_bob!wine | AxMstrL102:13
ubottuAxMstrL1: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.02:13
ubottuThe Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org02:14
ubottuFor discussion on Microsoft Windows, or help with same, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubottu equivalents02:14
AxMstrL1yeah.  i've been checking it out.  My success with it has not matched the database thus far02:14
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Agent_bobAxMstrL1 mine either  ;/02:15
Agent_bob+bug/1  hehhe02:16
AxMstrL1i'm sick of running vmware  :P02:16
AxMstrL1ready to buy a mac pro :D02:16
* AxMstrL1 wishes KDE4 was more stable02:17
* Agent_bob doesn't use a GUI02:18
AxMstrL1heh!  my wife almost killed me when I made ubuntu the default OS.02:18
AxMstrL1i would be dead if there was no X02:19
candivevipex, where Did he Go?02:19
rhubarbeAxMstrL1: if you track the beta verions, the errors go away and new ones appear, just when you least expect it / havent saved. its way more fun02:20
AxMstrL1well, if we avoid it they'll never stabilize it, right?  Gotta give back...02:21
AxMstrL1... at least for a few days02:21
Agent_bobif enough people use emacs will that make it an os ?02:22
AxMstrL1some would argue yes02:22
Agent_bobheh some would,  no doubt02:22
AxMstrL1but they'd clearly be barking up the wrong tree because vi is the one true editor.02:23
ubottuAgent_bob: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)02:23
Agent_bobbah there used to be some cute little  "joe is better than emacs"  comments there02:23
rhubarbeso er... why do people use emacs?02:23
Agent_bobcaue they can02:24
* AxMstrL1 dons his "professional" hat and plugs Slickedit.02:24
rhubarbeI mean sure, having an adventure game in your text editor is kinda cool, but it seems to do *everything*  but *badly*02:24
Agent_bobmc -e02:24
Agent_bobooops maybe not ed02:25
candiveI like this irc, informal unless its busy02:25
AxMstrL1slickedit = ed version 2^1002:25
Agent_bobheck i just ues echo to edit files.02:25
rhubarbe*is going to do that now, just to confuse shoulder surfers02:25
minhaajhi, my ubuntu would ask password twice when i login.02:26
candiveone for wireless?02:26
Agent_bobsed + tr + echo + cat    full featured text editing made ....  err ummm.... well...02:26
rhubarbejust to check, twice at the log in screen? or does one appear much later, as a popup?02:26
AxMstrL1do you have any sudo'ed auto-launching in your profile?02:27
vipexwoot its working /ubuntu/ but i m using kubuntu cos this is easier02:27
kwtmCan Kmail delete IMAP email (e.g. 200 spam messages) without insisting on downloading them and moving them to Trash?  In other words, is there a "Delete, and NOT move to Trash" option?02:27
sean_Hello i am using Xubuntu Gutsy and i just downloaded Kwrite. There is no spellchecking functionality for english. I even downloaded aspell but i have no idea how to integrate it?02:27
candiveminhaaj, one is probably for your wireless02:27
sean_how do i get any spellchecking to work?02:27
hasanhi guys02:28
candivevipex, youre back02:28
rhubarbeminhaaj: I think the consensus is "do you mean twice on the big login screen, or is it a popup when you can see the desktop"02:28
hasani want to add a shortcut key for find in kubuntu02:28
Agent_bobkwtm not that i know of.   for that i would use web browser.    assuming they support web mail02:28
minhaajlogin screen02:29
hasanin 7.04 it was possible to find in regional & accessibility keyboard shortcuts02:29
Agent_bobhasan khotkeys  ?02:29
hasanbut now i cant find it02:29
minhaajhasan you can figure hotkeyes in keyboard shortcuts in system settings02:29
Agent_bobor is that kde4 hasan ?02:29
rhubarbeminhaaj: did you do anything that may have triggered this behaviur?02:29
hasanit's kde402:30
hasanim a novice kubuntu user02:30
hasani try to set a win like environment02:30
Agent_bob!kde4 | because only the bot knows hasan02:30
ubottubecause only the bot knows hasan: KDE 4.0.5 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.5.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde402:30
kwtmAgent_bob: Thanks for confirmation.  Will try web interface.02:30
Agent_bobkwtm welcome02:30
sean_How do i spellcheck with kwrite?02:30
hasanbut i cant find "Find" entry in command shortcuts tab02:30
minhaajnope rhubarbe02:31
vipexcandive, candive thx for u ubuntu works but kubuntu is nicer:)02:31
rhubarbeminhaaj: there were some minor updates of Xorg about a week ago, could it have been that?02:32
candivevipex, I know its cool02:32
vipexcandive, it is?:D02:32
ImLizAgent_bob: when I typed "sudo init 1" kubuntu froze when stopping all processes02:32
rhubarbeminhaaj: also is there anything weird in your startx, init, or anything scripts that you have to do other stuff?02:32
rhubarbeminhaaj: like that you might have added02:32
candivevipex, I use kubuntu because I like it best02:33
minhaajwell it might be etc/pam.d/common-auth error02:33
minhaaji am reading a forum post about it02:33
vipexcandive , yh u r right:D And it much easier to use:P02:33
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candivevipex, sorry my Canadian slang is causing misunderstandings02:34
vipexcandive , thats okay i understand very well:)02:35
minhaajfixed rhubarbe  thanks for trying :)02:35
minhaajhad to add a couple of lines to pam/common-auth02:35
candivevipex, I had the same response the first time I tried Ubuntu02:35
vipexcandive , :D02:35
minhaajnow i have another problem. my ubuntu won't start with a clean session. it loads programs and firefox at start02:36
minhaajmaybe i have saved the last session settings02:36
minhaajhow do i get a clean session each time ?02:36
vipexcandive, i think im going till to bed , time is here 4:36 am:D02:36
vipexC ya later02:36
vipexand thank you02:36
candivevipex, It will take some time to get use to all Ubuntu distros. It took me approx 6 months using dual boot to switch completely02:37
ErtainHello everyone.  When I change the desktop icon for Gimp and then restart my computer it changes the icon back to what it once was.  Any ideas?02:38
ErtainNo, it's in 3.502:40
rhubarbetry again?02:41
rhubarbenight all02:43
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about all02:43
Agent_bob!seen all02:43
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about seen all02:44
candiveErtain, is there a save option02:44
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ds_nullis there a kubuntu live cd...and if so ca i get a link?02:44
ErtainWhat do you mean, candive?02:44
allall is not on line  but i can hijack his nick02:45
ErtainSure, here you go ds_null --> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php02:45
ErtainFor some odd reason I change the desktop file to some other icon and when I reboot it uses the previous image.02:46
candiveErtain, when you change the icon is there an apply or save02:46
ErtainYeah, I save it.02:46
ds_nullthanks eratain, i missed that part02:47
candiveAgent_bob, is foolin around again mom02:47
* all will notice02:48
candiveErtain, ask Agent_bob. I dont know02:48
* all knows not02:49
allreally.    i might venture a guess or two though02:49
allone. don't own the file cause you ran knoq with sudo and hosed perms .... solution  "own your home"      two some sort of vesta like bug has invaded kde.... O.o02:50
allignore the second one...02:51
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about ownyourhome02:51
allssorel pinging all can be dangerous02:52
ssorelI was just saying hi02:52
candiveJason MMS is that you?02:52
allErtain you "could" open a konsole and run "konqueror "  in it then use that konq window to change the icon and watch the konsole to see if anything errors at you.02:54
candiveall, you blinked02:54
allno i was typing...02:55
allhis nick tab completed when i started but he left before i hit enter02:55
* all types slow02:55
allall is good02:55
allall is well02:56
allall is out02:56
candivethe names in the right column are they all on irc now?02:57
Pici286 people here, many idling.02:58
intelikeycandive all are connected clients02:58
intelikeymost are probably not man'd02:58
candiveintelikely, Pici, thanks02:58
intelikeyat least two are bots02:59
ubottuHi! I'm #kubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots02:59
intelikey    bot  ^02:59
intelikeyro  bot   scripts02:59
candiveI know about ubotto02:59
candivesorry ubottu03:00
intelikeyi'm not sure how to trigger the other one.03:00
ubottuXubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels03:00
intelikeyok three03:01
poonfor some reason my server box is refusing connections on port 6667 (IRCd), all other ports for my clients servers work, but I cant seem to get that port working. I've tried stopping my shorewall firewall and whatnot, forwarding the port on my router on top of DMZ, with no luck :/ can anyone assist me?03:02
candivetime for me to go, goodnight03:03
poonI've never encoutered an issue such as this03:03
intelikeyubuntulog say hello03:03
intelikeythats not it..03:03
intelikeypoon i have used irc for several years but never setup a server    sorry03:04
poonwell the server's setup, its just a port issue03:05
intelikeyiptables -L | grep 666703:05
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* poon tries03:05
candive!irc server03:06
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about irc server03:06
intelikeybut that will not reviel if it's accept or drop or log....  it will only show if it's specified03:06
ubottufreenode is the IRC network that you're on! See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml03:06
intelikeythere's a thought.   asking an ircop to help you sort it out...03:07
intelikeyoh and one other thing.   that will not be kde specific   so you could ask in #ubuntu as swell03:08
Moonstormi'm looking for mod_write apache2 module.  it does not appear to be in the repositiores.  am i missing it?03:08
poonyeah i imagined that, but in #Ubuntu theres just so many people asking questions i was ignored03:08
poonhrm, intelikey, its not returning anything03:09
intelikeypoon yeah patience is hard to keep in there.03:09
poonlol how true03:10
intelikeypoon you could check with ##linux    some network admins hang there a lot.03:10
poonintelikey, how would I add a port with iptables?03:10
* intelikey forgot everything he ever learned about iptables as soon as he got his server working...03:11
intelikeyMoonstorm i'm not seeing it either.03:12
intelikey!find mod-write03:12
ubottuPackage/file mod-write does not exist in hardy03:12
Moonstormwhaaa !?!?!?03:12
intelikey!find apache2-mod-write03:13
ubottuPackage/file apache2-mod-write does not exist in hardy03:13
intelikeyok it didn't turncate the name...03:13
zipper?? wireless03:13
ubottuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs03:14
Moonstormdoes ubuntu do wildcard searches?03:14
Moonstormer, ubottu03:14
intelikeydon't think so03:14
intelikey!find *03:14
ubottuPackage/file * does not exist in hardy03:14
intelikey!find .*03:15
ubottuFound: abiword-common, abiword-gnome, abiword-help, abiword-plugins, abiword-plugins-gnome (and 24945 others)03:15
intelikeyregex expansion works  heh03:15
intelikey!find .*mod-write.*03:15
ubottuPackage/file .*mod-write.* does not exist in hardy03:15
intelikeythat settels that.03:16
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intelikey24k packages... that's almost as many dirs as this box has03:17
intelikeyi could hide one package in each dir and.....  never mind.03:17
PiciMoonstorm: Do you mean mod_rewrite? because I'm pretty sure thats in the default apache2 install03:20
Picia2enmod rewrite should work03:21
intelikey!find .*mod-rewrite.*03:21
ubottuPackage/file .*mod-rewrite.* does not exist in hardy03:21
intelikey!find mod-rewrite03:21
ubottuPackage/file mod-rewrite does not exist in hardy03:21
intelikeymaybe write is there too </shrugs>03:22
ixemancomo accedo para el español03:22
MoonstormPici: it's not.  yes, i need mod_rewrite for clean urls03:22
ubottuEn la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.03:22
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Pici!find mod_rewrite | Moonstorm03:25
ubottumoonstorm: '|' is not a valid distribution03:25
Pici!find mod_rewrite03:25
ubottuFile mod_rewrite found in apache2-doc, apache2.2-common, gallery, gallery2, lighttpd (and 4 others)03:25
PiciI need to run, but good luck03:26
athena18hi i new03:26
athena18where would i find a list of repositories (and alternates).03:26
athena18I not new to linux but fairly new to kubuntu (i have tried it out likely to stay now that I have a faster machine03:27
Moonstormhrm, i have gallery2 installed as well ...03:27
athena18the problem is that he set the repositories as Canadian. They are notoriously slow. If i had a list of the repositories I could set them back to New York03:27
Moonstormthx Pici03:28
athena18the wiki did not seem to have the information03:28
athena18neither did the obvious information03:28
athena18if you are not comfortable giveing me the alternates, just the normal kubuntu one would be very helpful03:29
intelikey!find mod_write03:29
ubottuFile mod_write found in roxen403:29
athena18please everything i downloaded just crashed03:30
ubottuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories03:30
athena18thank you so much03:30
athena18i know how to set them up---just need the list03:30
MoonstormPici: found it03:30
intelikey!find apache2_mod_write03:30
Moonstormneed to load it03:30
ubottuPackage/file apache2_mod_write does not exist in hardy03:30
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intelikey!repos | athena1803:31
ubottuathena18: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories03:31
intelikeyoh i shouldn't drop in and out of channel like that... sorry.03:32
mr---t-intelikey:  your late on the keys03:32
intelikeymr---t- yeah, i'm busy.03:35
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mr---t-still looking for that package eh03:36
intelikeyme ?   no.   i checked  "q apache2 | grep write"  and was finished looking for it.  just let the bot check a few times....03:37
intelikeyq being a quarry script for searching for packages...03:38
mr---t-o cool03:38
epimethwhats with this 8.04.1 thing?  a regular update/upgrade will suffice if I've already installed 8.04, right?03:38
kajhey gents, i need a command to remove /tmp/.X0-lock. That's the message I'm getting at the prompt after trying to restartX  after installing some new ati graphics drivers ...already tried reconfiguring xserver-xorg03:39
intelikeymr---t- basicly it does    INFO="`apt-cache -n search "$@"`"   then parses the var  if it's empty it drops the -n and retries if there are matches it formats the output and dumps it in less for me03:40
epimethkaj: sudo rm /tmp/.X0-lock03:41
intelikeykaj so rm the file03:41
intelikeyas per epimeth03:41
kajaha rm, forgot about that ...must be getting late ..been a long and frustrating day03:42
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OzoneNerdOne more question, Fryguy, in C/C++, one can make block comments like this, */ comment */,  Can/How does one do the same in BASh?03:48
intelikey# this is a comment     until end of line03:49
OzoneNerdbut you can't end that comment within a line, is it possible to end the comment within the line?03:49
* mr---t- even he knew that one03:49
OzoneNerdthat's what I meant, srry for ambiguity.03:49
intelikeyyou could use the null command tho03:50
intelikeycommand 1 ; : some comment ; command203:50
mr---t-hes gone03:50
intelikeythat's now what he wanted anyway.03:50
intelikeyand it's not the safest thing to do.03:51
intelikeyyou can change the null command03:51
intelikey:(){ echo ; }03:51
intelikeyfor example.03:51
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athena18hi I back with another question. I have used KDE for close to two years, but only with synaptic package manager. I hate adept (i03:53
athena18I am sorry to say, I know the command is close to apt-get synaptic, but i dont have it quite right.03:54
athena18and it wont get through. Can anyone tell the the correct command please03:54
athena18my problem is when i use adept I tend to crash the machine due to conflicts within a few weeks03:55
looneytrIs there an easy way to e-mail all the users on a system?03:55
athena18im looking for the apt-get command i need to add synaptic to my system03:56
athena18help please03:56
intelikeysudo aptitude install synaptic03:56
athena18thank you03:56
intelikeyor apt-get if you prefer03:56
intelikey"same differance"03:57
athena18i will try the apt get...i know it better but thanks. It does explain a lot03:57
athena18will it tell me when i need updates the same as if i used adept (in its own way of course)03:57
intelikeylooneytr good question.    Mail may have a function for that   idk.03:57
intelikeyathena18 the update notifier will tell you,  and you can use synaptic to fetch/install them  of course03:58
looneytrYeah a perl script will do but I figured someone has run into this before. Thanks anyway. I will check into mail03:58
intelikeynot mail  Mail  it's a command03:59
athena18sorry for the lack of punctuation---canadian billingual keyboard---a friend installed this particular system for me...but i dont know it---although i should learn it03:59
intelikeyusing is learning in linux  :)03:59
intelikeyQ. what do linux users do ?04:00
intelikeyA. why, they install software, of course!04:00
mr---t-intelikey:  while it's slow what's it mean when you see someone log on to irc as root?04:00
intelikeymr---t- in most/some cases means they are running the irc client as root04:01
looneytrNot a good idea in the world of IRC04:01
intelikeybut in some cases (like mine) it means they have set the irc_user to root to hide their username04:01
athena18thank you.Synaptic is now loading. and (besides an older computer) this was the main problem I ran into04:02
intelikeysecurity by obscurity is only affective to a certain degree tho.04:02
athena18further question.  I would like a firewall similar to how zone alarmn worked04:03
intelikey(older computer)    how old ?04:03
athena18in windows.04:03
athena18I know this is usually not needed but I deal with some sensitive information.04:03
athena18it was a top of the line in 2001 or 200204:03
* intelikey doesn't do windows. so doesn't know zone alarm04:04
intelikeyathena18 oh that's not old.   i thought you meant old04:04
intelikeyathena18 when we talk old computers we talk C64 genera04:04
intelikeyor 808604:05
mr---t-timex sinclair04:05
athena18I havent in years either. It told you whenever something went in or out on the net and you approved or didnt approve it. Not calling home and it kept track of how many things it had booted. It also had an immediate lock if you got concerned about something funny going on...which saved my bacon once04:05
intelikeymr---t- that too04:05
athena18those are firewalls04:05
athena18unfortunately guide dog just doesnt do it04:05
athena18well it was old enough that it was slow on Kubuntu04:06
ubottuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).04:06
athena18and ran much better on simplyMepis04:06
athena18now i no longer need to worry about it04:06
mr---t-guarddog and firestarter are the only two I have seen04:06
* intelikey ran a p1 with kubuntu on it...04:06
athena18i do not know enough to configure the IP tables myself and guarddog is not sufficient---if i want to be able to download any of my mail04:07
intelikeygot rid of it last year04:07
athena18i would never have had the patience---although i was running a p2 until it broke last year04:07
* mr---t- a little slow on the keys04:07
athena18(i had gone through a succession of p2s) they became very hard to find on the market04:07
intelikeythere's a script    quick-tables   i think it is.  might be maintained.04:08
mr---t-yeah but he doesn't use a gui04:08
athena18no gui---you are on command line only04:08
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mr---t-that how he rolls04:09
intelikeyme ?   yeah no GUI here most of the time.... although i do have kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop icewm fvwm blackbox fluxbox all installed04:09
athena18well no wonder you can run things on a pentium one! I can do some command line interface but i dont want to use it day by day04:09
athena18i used non gui when i was in university04:09
intelikeyathena18 i didn't say that'  i said i ran kubuntu on the p1.04:10
intelikeythat implies kde too04:10
athena18ok i didnt learn IRC (it was something i missed) . OK i thought you were using KDE. How do i direct a comment at one person Q04:11
intelikeyit took a little tweeking from default of course    it only had 64m ram and 610m hdd04:11
athena18well i tweeked windows 98 quite effectively for a while years ago.04:11
athena18tweeking windows 3.1 was easier04:11
intelikeyprepend their name   and it will highlight them   or /msg them   but that's not welcome by all.04:12
intelikeyathena18 this highlights you.04:12
intelikeythis doesn't04:12
athena18Q prepend04:13
mr---t-put first04:13
intelikey"I can do some command line interface but i dont want to use it day by day"  <<< i'm that way  with the pointy clicky thingy04:13
athena18ah ok intelikey i get it04:13
athena18although we may be on opposite sides in terms of day to day usage...or maybe not. Ive forgotten quite a lot of command line stuff i knew. I still have a book on UNIX that would work find that is based on command line04:14
athena18(intelikey) hello am i talking to you Q04:15
DarthFrogathena18: No, just the nick, no parentheses or brackets.04:16
DarthFrogFer instance, type "Darth" and hit tab. :-)04:17
intelikeywith out the quotes04:17
DarthFrogOnce the name is filled in, type your brilliancy. :-)04:17
mr---t-or type d and hit tab until darthfrog comes up and so on...04:18
DarthFrogOh yeah, as intelikey points out, no quotes either.04:18
K350Hi!:) I'm new to Linux and Kubuntu. I would like to know how I can make a progrma autostart at system startup?04:18
DarthFrogK350: This isn't really going to help you, but put it in the file /etc/rc.local.04:19
DarthFrogrc.local is the Unix equivalent of autoexec.bat.04:19
K350Aha, thank you very much for that information!:)04:20
DarthFrogK350: Is this program a system-wide one or a personal one that you want executed as you login to KDE?  the answers are different.04:21
K350uh...it's Conky04:24
DarthFrogDo you mean Konqueror?04:24
K350No, Conky conky.sourceforge.net04:24
DarthFrogIf so, then put it in /home/K350/.kde/Autostart04:25
K350it's a progrma that shows system information04:25
DarthFrogSorry, don't know conky.04:25
DarthFrogAh.  Autostart, then.04:25
K350aha..okay..I'll try...04:26
flaccidgood ol conky :o04:27
K350I guess I've to make a shortcut then....04:28
DarthFrogPut a script that launches it in the Autostart directory.04:29
K350err..should I move it form´/usr/bin to autostart?04:29
DarthFrogi.e a "bat" file. :-)04:29
K350okay a small bash scritp or something...04:29
K350or uh..bash script right?04:29
K350I'll try...04:30
ubottuTo make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory. For a complete guide, see http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html04:30
DarthFrogYeah, that works too.  Much the same as a shortcut. :-)04:30
DarthFrogProbably simpler, too. :-)04:31
* DarthFrog rarely goes for the simple solution. Things should be challenging! 04:31
* DarthFrog is challenged everyday.04:31
flaccidin kde4 there is an Autostart frontend in system settings which is nice.04:33
DarthFrogThere is?  W00t!04:34
flaccidyeah its in Advanced tab04:34
tuxwulfOk ... how does it fit together: KDE3, KDE4, plasma. What is which?04:34
DarthFrogDoes it automatically make the symlinks via drag 'n drop?04:34
flaccidkde3 is kde3, kde4 is kde4 and plasma is part of kde404:34
K350DarthFrog: Thanks a lot. it works great now!:)04:35
DarthFrogPlasma is a re-think of the desktop idiom.04:35
tuxwulfflaccid > So, is it possible to run KDE4 with something other than plasma?04:35
DarthFrogK350: Yer welcom, bud.04:35
tuxwulfDarthFrog: ... what does 'desktop idiom' mean?04:35
DarthFrogtuxwulf: Probably not yet.04:35
kajmy Xserver is not good, the screen looks like the horizontal ctrl is out of range..like on the old analog tvs fro the 60-70s04:35
flaccidtuxwulf: did you ask this yesterday? the answer is no, but you don't have to run plasma. you could kill it and just run kicker or something so in theory its kind of a yes04:36
DarthFrogtuxwulf: As OS/2, Win95 _ad nauseum_, Mac OS and KDE3 do it.04:36
flaccidDarthFrog: no drag/drop but 'add program' button04:36
tuxwulfflaccid > no, I did not ask this yesterday, but yesterday I did discuss something else, raising these questions04:37
DarthFrogThat works.  Drag 'n drop might be more elegant|intuitive|familiar.  :-)04:37
flaccidtuxwulf: yeah sounded familiar... you ask it a little bit different but yeah thats the situation. its flexible enough04:37
flaccidDarthFrog: you could raise a feature request04:37
DarthFrogflaccid: AFAIK, there is no kicker in KDE4.  He'd have to run the KDE3 kicker.04:38
kajguess the ati proprietary driver was a mistake but I couldn't remember which driver was being used as the 'default restricted'04:38
flaccidDarthFrog: correct04:38
DarthFrogflaccid: I don't care enough. :-)  It was just an idle thought.04:38
tuxwulfflaccid > Please allow the simpleton that is me to check the following against your expertise: Plasma runs on KDE, KDE runs on X, X runs on linux. Would that be a correct statement?04:38
intelikeykaj all "restricted" are proprietary04:38
GithzeraiDarthFrog: No kicker, but plasma-panel is there ;)04:38
DarthFrogtuxwulf: Corrrect.04:39
flaccidtuxwulf: pretty much. in essence plasma is just another application04:39
flaccidthere is a few more layers there but you got the ordering correct04:39
tuxwulfWhooopeee! Thanks!04:39
DarthFrogGithzerai: I'm not yet in love with plasma-panel yet.  It isn't as configurable as I liked in kicker. :-)04:39
intelikeyDarthFrog that "might" come with time...04:40
kajwell intelikey  the latest and greatest upgrade did in my happy little setup ...now i have no screen, samba or google earth ...the kubuntu dev guys ought to be more careful before trey this crap out on us trusting souls04:41
DarthFrogtuxwulf: Linux runs the hardware.  X  is the graphical presentation system.  KDE is the operating environment (or desktop, if you prefer) that make X usable.  Plasma is a way of interacting with KDE.04:41
intelikeycan you use things like    [ some test ]  in case loops as  identifiers )  ?04:41
DarthFrogKDE4, that is.04:41
flaccidkaj: welcome to free software :) perhaps we can help to fix04:41
DarthFrogintelikey: Well, it has to let me re-order the icons, resize the panel, at a start. :-)04:41
DarthFrogi.e. let me get it back to the way I had kicker.04:42
Dr_willisand Plasmids are those weird powerups in BioShock. :)04:42
GithzeraiDr_willis: :)04:42
intelikeyDarthFrog heh.   maybe that feature will come in time.04:42
DarthFrogOne can only hope.04:42
Dr_willisANd aparently - the KDe guys coudent come up with a better name. :)04:42
intelikeyand rant04:42
intelikeyone can do that too04:42
intelikey<-- proficient04:43
Dr_willisRanting is a RIGHT! :)04:43
DarthFrogPlasmoids. :-)04:43
kajflaccid:  I'm on irssi cuz i have no working X , the ati driver that I installed is the wrong one (altho it was recomended on the site for my card)04:43
DarthFrogHey, if you've got nothing to complain about, you can't be happy.04:43
* Dr_willis pumps some ADAM into his Desktop for enhanced Plasmids.04:43
DarthFrogPlasmids are the DNA fragments that bacteria interchange as a substitute for sex. :-)04:44
Dr_willisOh to be a Bacteria!04:44
intelikeyDarthFrog says who ?      i'll streighten that guy out.   just who is he?    i'll show him....04:44
markos_Hello Everybody04:45
tuxwulfDarthFrog: Understood -- about the plasma to linux explanation, that is, not the sex thing you mentioned just now...04:45
markos_Which is the lenguage do you speak?04:45
markos_Ah ok.... English04:45
DarthFrogintelikey: :-)04:45
ubottuThe #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat04:45
* kaj wonders why canonical decided to forgo the the vesa driver oprion in the xserver-xorg config 04:45
kajerr option04:45
kajin hardy04:45
markos_wow... are u talking about sex?04:46
intelikeykaj idk   install xserver-xorg-driver-vesa   and try it04:46
Dr_willismarkos_,  plasma/plasmids/plasmoids. :)04:46
DarthFrogmarkos_: Hardly04:46
mr---t-just bacterial sex04:46
tuxwulfSo now we have to install anti-bacteria programs?04:47
markos_how can i just go into #kubuntu-es04:47
DarthFrogBacteria don't have sex.  Which is why I kinda doubt Dr_willis's comment.04:47
intelikeyconjagation ?04:47
tuxwulfLike anti-virus on Win, we have bacteria in linux..?04:47
* mr---t- has a rubber coated keyboard04:47
markos_i repeat, How can i go into #kubuntu-es?04:47
markos_i don't know to use that program yet04:47
ubottuEn la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.04:47
intelikeymarkos_ /join blah04:47
DarthFrogmarkos: type "/join #kubuntu-es"04:47
markos_ah ok04:47
markos_thank u04:47
flaccidkaj: that was debian04:47
markos_thank u so much, i am in, already04:48
DarthFrogSaid the bishop to the actress.04:48
flaccidkaj: do you need help fixing something?04:48
intelikeyknight to queens rook four04:49
DarthFrogEwwe, descriptive!  Algebraic, please.04:49
DarthFrogIf anyone cares, according to Slashdot, Hans Reiser has led authorities to the grave.04:50
intelikeyso anyone know if tests can be done in    case   identifiers ?     [some test])04:50
mr---t-who what?04:51
DarthFrogmr---t-: If that made no sense to you, you don't care. :-)04:51
mr---t-must be in a different part of the world than here04:52
intelikeyguess not.     i'll test to see (pun intentional)   ;/04:52
DarthFrogWhere is here?  Hans Reiser was a Linux file system developer.04:53
kajintelikey:  looking for oprenad destination file04:53
intelikeymr---t- think rieserfs to catch up with DarthFrog04:53
intelikeynot exactly  but close enough.04:54
intelikeyit looks like i'll have to double loop it anyway04:54
kajanyway, tired now ..sacktime04:54
DarthFroggoodnight, sweet prince.04:55
intelikeymaybe an extended if statement would be better in this case than case04:58
ubottu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!05:03
K350Is it somehow possible to skip the login prompt/window so that I cna login directly witotu enterign username and password?05:03
mr---t-DarthFrog:  that happened on the left coast and I don't follow any thing but local news05:03
DarthFrogK350: Yes.05:04
intelikeywhy the Krap is   dirs is a shell builtin  ?05:04
DarthFrogK350: Explore "System Settings"05:05
flaccidK350: login manager in system settings05:05
flaccidthis channel is kubuntu support, idle discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic05:05
K350login mng in sys settings okay I got it ..thaNKS A LOT!:)05:05
intelikeyleft coast   heh.05:06
intelikeyK350 did you find the "gui" way to get there ?05:07
DarthFrogintelikey: I'm in British Columbia.  Here we call it the Wet Coast. :-)05:07
intelikeygold coast  :)05:08
intelikeyi may like the left coast as a discriptor better though05:08
intelikeydoes kde still write in /root ?05:09
intelikeyor have they fixed that yet ?05:10
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Dr_willisive never noticed it doing writing in /root05:11
intelikeyrm /root -r and restart it  :)05:13
DarthFrogWhy would that be a problem?05:13
Dr_willisI keep my porn in /root :) where it belongs..05:14
intelikeycause /root is root's default home.  user space apps should not be accessing it.05:14
intelikeybut beyond that,  even if you move root out of /root it still uses /root   "and if"05:14
DarthFrogbut does it write in it, other than recreate it after you've removed it?05:14
intelikeythough no one would dare...    you login to kde as root then it stores all roots settings in /root reguardless of where root lives.05:15
intelikeyimo  that's wac05:15
DarthFrogI may be confused but you seem to be battling your way upstream against the Unix way stream.05:15
flaccidapps will access /root when apps run under root mode05:15
intelikeyDarthFrog gdm doesn't do that  why does kdm ?05:16
intelikeyflaccid they shouldn't if root doesn't live there.05:16
intelikeyonly kde is hard coded to use /root   gnome isn't05:16
intelikeyblackbox isn't05:16
intelikeyfluxbox isn't05:17
intelikeyneed i go on.... ?05:17
DarthFrogBut, but ... /root is the Unix way. :-)05:17
intelikeyDarthFrog linux is not unix05:17
DarthFrogJust as /home is the user data directory.05:17
dennisterhey channel, anyone ever see black smoke coming out of a cpu/heatsink combo before?05:17
intelikeyDarthFrog not my users05:17
Dr_willisdennister,  only when i spilt the soda in the case05:18
dennisterheheh...i knew about cpus overheating, but i'd never seen it before05:18
flaccidintelikey: um, example krusader root mode...05:18
DarthFrogintelikey: Linux is a pretty damn good Unix.05:18
flaccidthus why the style looks different as it uses root's profile05:18
intelikeyflaccid you missed the point.05:18
DarthFrogdennister: That's the magic smoke.  If you let it out, the hardware doesn't work any more.05:18
intelikeymove root.  let root live in say  /new_dir  and it still uses /root   not /new_dir05:19
DarthFrogintelikey: So what?05:19
intelikeyDarthFrog so that is M$ mentality.05:19
flaccidintelikey: what is your point?05:20
DarthFrogIf you're that fussed, "sudo chmod 700 /root.05:20
intelikeyDarthFrog just do it the way we say.   you don't need to control your computer let the programers do it for you...  it "just works"05:20
Dr_willis /me thinks this ranting is getting dull.05:20
flaccidyeah well user homes are readable by other users by default so a 700 can be handy05:21
intelikeyDarthFrog perms make no diff   and besides i keep root's home  chmod'd 000005:21
dennisternow i'm trying to find out why...background: ms-6309 mobo, p3-733 MHz cpu, when turned the power would shut off almost immediately, so I cleaned heatsink/fan, put some more thermal grease on cpu, and it would still shut down05:21
Dr_willisdennister,  a few years back - there was a bunch of counterfit capaciters being sold and put on motherboards.    Or it could just be old age. :)05:22
dennisterso i thought: power supply, replaced it with my very good Enermax EG301P (more pwoer than needed, but tested working beautifully on more demanding systems), turned it on, and it stayed on all right, with black smoke05:22
intelikeydr_willis dull indeed.    i only asked if they had fixed/changed it in the hardy release05:23
DarthFrogintelikey: Have you filed a bug report?  It may be a "feature".05:23
Dr_willisyep - dull.05:23
dennisterDr_willis: yes, I heard of that, but the more powerful ps wouldn't have caused it to overheat, would it?05:23
DarthFrogdennister: No.05:24
Dr_willisdennister,  Hmm... No idea.. could be  it was the final straw.05:24
dennisterdidn't think so...k, that's been eliminated as cause05:24
Dr_williscould be all the twiddling around with it made somthing else finally die.05:24
intelikeyflaccid my point. that kde and kdm in particular are hard coded to write in /root  reguardless of where root actually lives. or who logs in.05:24
intelikeyDarthFrog the kde crew don't consider it a bug,  they did it on purpose.05:24
DarthFrogdennister: A more powerful ps would be _capable_ of delivering more power, if the circuitry needed it.  If you have a short circuit, well all bets are off.05:24
dennisterDarthFrog: ok, short circuit from what?05:25
dennisteron the mobo?05:25
DarthFrogintelikey: Then it's unlikely that behaviour will be changed.05:25
intelikeydennister cable ribon upside down on a drive05:25
Dr_willisgiven how complex these mb's  are these days.. im amazed that any of them work. :)05:26
* DarthFrog is with Dr_willis on that!05:26
Dr_willisI think ive seen some that are 6+ layers.. proberly more then that now a days.05:26
DarthFrogWhat with capacitive coupling and quantum tunnelling and all that. :-)05:26
intelikeyDarthFrog one can only hope that they at least make it dynamic rather than hard coded05:26
dennisterintelikey: well that's not the case...unless i've forgotten how to do a floppy drive, lol05:27
DarthFrogintelikey: File a feature request and make your arument.05:27
intelikeydennister floppy cable is the first place i'd look05:27
intelikeyunplug it and test05:27
DarthFrogWhen was the last time any of us used a floppy?  I've not done so in years.05:28
DarthFrogCD-R has replaced floppies.05:28
Dr_willisFloppy disks make great coasters.05:28
Dr_willisand Cheap Ninja Throwing stars! :)05:28
intelikeycdr can't replace floppy,  you can't rewrite a cdr05:28
DarthFrogintelikey: Really?  No wonder you're fussed about /root.  (grinning, ducking and running)05:28
intelikeyDarthFrog yes really.05:29
bobowhats going on peoples05:29
intelikeyall my boxen have fd0 and some fd1 5.25's05:29
intelikeybobo  d'nada05:29
DarthFrogOh my.  5.25" floppies.  Now that's ancient.05:29
dennisterintelikey: floppy cable check...it's fine & properly attached05:30
intelikeydennister ok  you looked at cd/dvd  hd cables too ?05:30
dennisterso that leaves the mobo or the cpu/heatsink connection05:30
boboi use an old tape drive but no floppies05:30
* DarthFrog had a single-sided 5.25" 180K floppy disk back in the day. It held my Ph.D. thesis. I thought I'd never be able to fill a 180K disk. :-)05:30
dennisterintelikey: just hd cable so far...already checked those...ok05:30
* Dr_willis thinks DarthFrog is older then dirt.05:31
DarthFrogdennister: Disconnect everything and try again.05:31
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DarthFrogDr_willis:  well, I never rode a dinosaur.  But my father did. :-)05:31
Dr_willisIs your Social Security # in Roman Numerals?05:32
intelikeydennister a dead card plugged into a board will cause short circute condition too   we used to get all kinds of dead boxen that lightning had killed,   pull the modem out and power it up ....05:32
tony403anyone know a picture viewer that has the controls of vista's viewer? scroll zooms and out, click to move the picture when zoomed, and views files in a directory?05:33
dennisterDarthFrog: doesn't it have to be the cpu/heatsink connection or mobo?05:33
dennisterintelikey: no modem or pci cards at all yet...just an ati vc05:33
DarthFrogDr_willis: I remember giving dictation to a scribe, who was chiselling heirogplypics into a clay tablet.  He asked me, "Is virile spelled with one testicle or two?"05:33
Dr_willisDarthFrog,  now thats old.. :)05:33
mr---t-Dr_willis: they don't have ss numbers in canada do they?05:34
Dr_willisThat was some hard clay also...   Better if they used cut reeds and wet clay.05:34
DarthFrogdennister: Well, if you disconnect everything, you isolate it down to those components, no?05:34
Dr_willismr---t-,  thy proberly got RFID tags embeded in everyones backsides. :)05:34
DarthFrogmr---t-: Yes, we do.05:34
intelikeytony403 those features sound common enough.   not sure what all can do that tho05:34
Dr_williswell bye all...05:35
mr---t-rfid or numbers05:35
intelikeygview ?05:35
intelikeylets see   kfax ?05:35
dennisterDarthFrog: yes, i know, and everything was disconnected a few minuts ago for cleaning...i just didn't want to fire it up again (even without drives, etc. in case i got more smoke05:35
tony403intelikey, i've tried a few, one does one but not the other, kind of aggravating05:35
DarthFrogdennister: I rather expect you'll be buying a new CPU/mobo/RAM in the next day or so.05:36
intelikeytony403 hmmm    if i was a gui user i might know...   but alas.05:36
mr---t-Im out too nite all.....zzzz05:36
dennisterDarthFrog: i've got tons of all those things at the moment already...i have about 15-20 systems here that have been donated and I refurbish05:37
bobohow do i share files with another kubuntu machine05:37
DarthFrogbobo: Open Konqueror and enter "smb:/" as the URL.  Do you see the other machine?05:37
dennisterso i'm not panickiing or anything, i just like finding out why things happen so it doesn't happen again05:38
Odd-rationalebobo: easiest way would be to set up an ssh server and use the fish:// protocol05:38
DarthFrogfish:// rocks!05:38
bobogot it05:38
dennisterand yes, isolating stuff is a big part of the "why"...you guys in here have seen so much I like to get other ideas/opinions05:39
flaccidfish is legacy protocol now really, its a pseudo protocol anyway05:39
DarthFrogflaccid: yeah but it works wonderfully.05:40
flaccidbobo: so you can either do samba or ssh05:40
flaccidDarthFrog: so does sftp :)05:40
boboi got samba05:40
DarthFrogflaccid: What is the replacement for fish://05:40
boboit works05:40
Odd-rationalewhy use samba to share between linix machines... :)05:40
flaccidsftp is seen to be preferred05:40
DarthFrogOdd-rationale: Cuz it works better than NFS.05:40
flaccidOdd-rationale: in case a windows machine comes a long i guess and yeah its better than nfs05:40
Odd-rationalei c, i don't think about having window machines come along... :P05:41
DarthFrogflaccid: Is sftp a KIO?05:41
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flaccidnah its a real protocol for ssh. where is fish is implemented by kde only (plus about 2 other implementations).. its not on much besides kde05:42
DarthFrogSo the deprecation is because fish is KDE only?05:43
flaccidwell its not technically deprecated but ssh/sftp is more standard. only kde can do fish client (plus 2 other implementations)05:44
flaccidi don't think ubunt users can fish with gnome05:44
DarthFrogAFAIK, if the remote machine is running SSH, fish works.05:45
DarthFrogWhy should an ssh protocol care about anything graphical?05:45
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DarthFrogI *think* I've used fish to upload to a server in the past.  use webdav now.05:46
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flaccidim talking client side DarthFrog05:46
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DarthFrogflaccid: Ah. So when in Gnome, do as Gnome does. :-)05:46
flaccidor just sftp on every OS. you can use fish still of course, im sure it will continue to be supported and the kio slave is probably pretty damn stable. its a simple protocol anyway which is good05:47
DarthFrogNot too mention the convenience.05:48
flaccidwhy is it more convenient than sftp?05:48
DarthFrogWhich is the point.05:48
DarthFrogCuz it's a KIO-slave.  Drag 'n drop in Konq.05:48
flaccidwhat would you be dragging and dropping sorry?05:49
DarthFrogUmm, open a split window in Konq.  One is your home directory, the other is fish://<fileserver>, drag 'n drop between the two panes.05:50
[The_Oracle]is there a utility I can use to set my NTFS hard drives to automount upon bootup ? Thanks05:51
flaccidDarthFrog: thats the same as using sftp:/ in konq..05:52
flaccid[The_Oracle]: disks and filesystems in system settings05:52
DarthFrogflaccid: So it is a KIO_slave?05:52
DarthFrog[The_Oracle]: /etc/fstab05:52
flaccidDarthFrog: probably is in kde's case yeah05:52
flaccidbefore i was talking in general, not kde only05:52
DarthFrog[The_Oracle]: Not a utility, but it's where automounting is done.05:52
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[The_Oracle]ok, so I can have a GUI if I log into gnome? Cool!!05:53
flaccidyes gnome is a gui?05:53
dennisterhmmm...fired it all up , with no connectors or cards...seemed fine...started connecting one by one (different vc this time; only change), still all fine...no smoke...took heatsink combo apart...zero signs of scorching or damage05:54
DarthFrogflaccid: OK.  A general solution does have its uses, agreed.  But when a localised solution, such as KIO_slaves, work wonderfully when one is in that local environment, I'd rather use the superior local solution.  Unless the general solution works equally as well in  the local situation.05:55
DarthFrog[The_Oracle]: This is the wrong place to ask about GNOME.  Go to #ubuntu for that.05:55
flaccidDarthFrog: give sftp a try in konq, its much the same behaviour05:55
dennisterbut it's not booting into bios05:55
[The_Oracle]I was in KDE05:55
dennisterflaccid: i finally did get samba to work with the xp home floppy, btw :-) and it does need the wins server enabled on the samba server05:57
dennisteroops...not floppy, laptop05:57
DarthFrogdennister: Not booting into BIOS?  You have an ... unusual definition of fine.05:57
flacciddennister: nah you do not require wins but ok05:57
dennisterflaccid: well I listened to you, and didn't enable it, but when I finally did enable wins server, it worked05:58
DarthFrogdennister: Really?  Well, we all know Windows networking is bizarre.05:59
flacciddennister: thats because you have no local dns server and normal nmb resolution was probably not working but could of been fixed05:59
DarthFrogI prefer to keep my bizarre explanation. :-)05:59
flaccidnmbd out of box does nmb broadcast for resolution without the need for a wins or dns server05:59
dennisterDarthFrog: ordinarily I would suspect mobo is dead when i can't get into bios...and i still think this mobo might be, but I'm still cheerful06:00
flaccidi run 1 local dns server and no wins server. so resolution here is done primarily with dns only06:00
dunasIs there a way to merge the contents of two folders with the same name in Kubuntu 8.04?06:00
[The_Oracle]can we run Compiz under a VM? it never offers me nvidia drivers06:00
flacciddennister: i can't even remember your problem etc. heh06:00
dunasDolphin pretty perpetually wants to overwrite.06:00
DarthFrogdennister: Would you not get the same result from a fried CPU?06:00
dennisterflaccid: nmbd? i usually use the dns servers in the routers, with the ISP's dns servers also mentioned06:01
DarthFrogdunas: Rename one of the folders first.06:01
flacciddennister: yes. this is for resolution of LAN clients, not hosts on the internet...06:01
flaccidLAN != WAN06:01
dennisterDarthFrog: of course...u must think i'm totally stupid, lol...that's what i'll be determining next: cpu dead or mobo dead?06:02
dennisterand that's a question i can determine with some normal swapping06:02
asobiever since i got ff3 beta 4, my dictionary extension no longer works06:02
DarthFrogdennister: No, I don't think you're stupid.  I've had blinkers on myself. :-)06:02
asobishould it reside in the extensions folder?06:03
karthikhello every one i want to know how to change KDE to GNOME06:03
ubottuIf you want to remove all !KDE packages and have a default !Ubuntu system follow the instructions here << http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome >>06:03
dennisteras I said, i'm lucky i have so many other mobos and cpus here for this kind of testing...and that's a big part of what I do...test to see if the stuff works06:03
DarthFrogdennister: I'd be careful about swapping.  Putting a good CPU into a fried mobo is a good way to fry the CPU.06:03
asobialso, klipper no longer works either :/06:03
dennisterDarthFrog: that's why i'll be using possibly-dead cpus first :-) i have 3 here that didn't work with another mobo (but then I eneded up junking the mobo itself)06:04
DarthFrogdennister: I'll leave things in your obviously capable hands. :-)06:05
dennisteroh shoot...they're amd cpus...will risk 1 p3 then06:05
dennisteri've got 606:06
DarthFrogdennister: Well, if it were me, I'd put your CPU into a known good mobo, rather than the converse.06:06
dunasDarthFrog: That's not really helping, sadly. Sorry. The problem is, I'm trying to move a Materials folder from a downloaded file to my Counter-Strike Source file, so that the new files enter the Materials Folder but the new folder doesn't completely overwrite the old, and there's a lot of files to move.06:06
purpleposeidonIs there a list anywhere of super-compatible hardware? I want to build a new computer.06:07
dennisterDarthFrog: good idea...will take ur advice06:07
DarthFrogdunas: You're wanting to merge the contents of the files?06:07
DarthFrogdunas: Or add the files to a directory?06:08
ubottuFor lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection06:08
purpleposeidonubottu: Why thankyou, ubottu, you are so helpful! :D06:09
ubottupurpleposeidon: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)06:09
dunasDarthFrog: Merge the contents, yes.06:09
dennisterscratch that...can't because it looks like all my p3 mobos are slot 1 style...don't have any other p3 mobos with the socket 37006:09
purpleposeidonMore intelligent then anybody else in here. >_>   <_<    o_o   :P06:09
DarthFrogdunas: Good luck.  i know of no other way to do that than file by file manually.06:09
DarthFrogTho' I'm sure there are other solutions.06:09
dennisterat least the slot 1 mobos were probably from before the bad-capacitor era, heheheh06:10
DarthFrogdennister: I would suspect that slot 1 caps would be drying out by now. :-)06:10
dennistercaps? they dry out?06:11
DarthFrogdunas: "cat file1 file2 > file3" would work.06:11
DarthFrogdennister: Yep.  Takes a while, fortunately.06:11
DarthFrogAnd depends upon the cap technology employed, of course.  Paper caps don't dry out.06:12
dunasDarthFrog: Through the terminal, you mean?06:12
dennisteri've got an asus p2 board here, with original cpu...still going strong06:12
DarthFrogdunas: That's where the power is.  Hehehehehe, (evil grin).06:13
flaccidcan you guys talk about hardware somewhere else im getting  headache :o06:13
tuxwulfso up until KDE4 kicker was started instead of plasma?06:13
flaccidtuxwulf: pretty much06:13
intelikeydoes this work http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d375a9abd ?06:13
flaccidwell thats how it is with kde306:13
DarthFrogdennister: So do I.  A testbed machine.  Asus P2B-DS with dual slot-1 P3-700's.06:13
dunasDarthFrog: Still plenty of work for something Windows can do automatically, mind you. ;) I'll keep looking for a solution that's a little faster, just because it's a lot of files and even then that'd take a lot of time.06:14
DarthFrogflaccid: But, but,... it's fun!  :-)06:14
dennisteri reacently was given an intel dual slot1 p3 server board :-)06:14
dennisteri haven't tested it yet...but the donor knows her hardware...i think she must be a sys admin06:15
flaccidguys this is chan is kubuntu support06:15
DarthFrogdunas: Don't take my word as the be-all and end-all.  I don't know of a solution but that doesn't mean there isn't a solution.06:15
dennisterflaccid: ok, ok...L-)06:15
K`zanAnyone have any idea how to fix this:06:16
* DarthFrog tucks his tail between his legs and says, "I shut up now".06:16
K`zanxvoutput: No XVIDEO port found which supports YUY2 images.06:16
K`zan*** tvtime requires hardware YUY2 overlay support from your video card06:16
dennisterhow's this? p3's are great for quiet kubuntu machines....don't require heavy duty ps's or case fans06:16
tuxwulfCool. It's nice when the penny drops.06:16
tuxwulfThanks flaccid!06:16
tuxwulfAnd DarthFrog06:16
dunasDarthFrog: Well, thanks for trying to help. :)06:17
dennister#will now shut up06:17
DarthFrogdunas: As usual, answers are free, correct answers are $10.  Dumb looks are still free.06:17
dennisterok, that was the cat walking on the keyboard...not me06:26
tuxwulfMy cat chases the mouse06:27
purpleposeidonI certainly don't walk on keyboards06:27
dennistershe just has to be wherever my right hand is...usually on top of th emouse, mousepad and kvm switch, lol06:28
dennisterpurpleposeidon: r u a cat? i thought u were the god of the sea06:29
purpleposeidondennister: I think cats prefer macs06:29
ubottuUnless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..06:29
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about v06:30
purpleposeidongovernment officier[sic]?06:30
* DarthFrog wonders about flaccid. I'm concerned! :-)06:30
dennisterpurpleposeidon: well, my cat won't find any macs around here06:30
dennisterdown with proprietary computing!06:31
DarthFrogdennister: Don't forget, for goodness sake tha Mac is a proper pronound and must be capitalised.06:31
purpleposeidonbig macs06:32
purpleposeidondennister: Oh man, I do that! HEY! Give me that back!06:32
dennisterstill can't type...06:32
flaccidsomeone is concerned about me, thats strange06:32
K`zanAnyone know how to fix this: xvoutput: No XVIDEO port found which supports YUY2 images.06:33
K`zanI did the upgrade from 7.10 and SO much crap is broken now :-(.06:33
tuxwulfK`zan > Perhaps in #tvtime ...?06:33
purpleposeidonK`zan: Don't use YUY2 images?06:33
dennisterpurpleposeidon: big macs and mcdonald's is almost as bad as proprietary computing06:33
purpleposeidonI think someone with a mac and a big mac in mcdonald's needs...... help06:34
dennisterK`zan: u trying to get a tuner going? what kind?06:34
K`zanDamnifiknow, worked just fine for well over a year and after the upgrade when I rebooted that along with usb filesystem and my camera quit working.06:34
K`zanSAA7134? IIRC.06:34
dennisteroh...camera...instead of tuner?06:35
K`zanLeadtech 2000xp Expert06:35
flaccidK`zan: google is good as well06:35
K`zandennister: No, TV CArd.06:35
K`zanflaccid: google was quite flaccid on the matter, I always check that first :-).06:35
dennisterok...been awhile since i was fidding with my tuners and tvsoftware06:35
flaccidK`zan: i think i got this card in my desktop let me test and also check google cool06:36
flaccidK`zan: a lot of results here: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=No+XVIDEO+port+found+which+supports+YUY2+images+tvtime&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-806:36
dennistercertainly tvtime would not work with my hauppauge card...only thing that did was mythtv06:36
K`zanMight be something in spanish or french, but I don't read those :-/.06:36
dennisterbecause the hauppauge cards need ivtv drivers...not sure about your leadtech card06:37
K`zanflaccid: Anything other than lots of people asking the same question with no answers?06:37
K`zandennister: I guess I am going to have to wipe/reinstall 7.10 - everything pretty much worked OK there.  Sigh.06:37
flaccidK`zan: i'll go through them. are you on gutsy or something?06:37
DarthFrogK`zan: Back up your home directory first.06:38
dennisterK`zan: b4 u do the wipe...are u sure you have right hardware drivers for the tuner?06:38
K`zanAs noted, before the upgrade it was doing wonderfully :-/.06:38
flaccidthis card doesn't need a driver for tvtime06:38
K`zanlemme lsmod and see if perhaps the upgrade hosed that too.06:39
dennisterK`zan: sorry06:39
flaccidK`zan: are you on gutsy or hardy now? also can you show me the entries for the card in lscpi and also the dpkg -l | grep tvtime06:39
dennisteri'll go back to my hardware rebuilding...later folks06:39
K`zanflaccid: {/var/log} $ cat /etc/issue.net06:40
K`zanUbuntu 8.04.106:40
K`zan2:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)06:41
K`zan{/var/log} $ dpkg -l | grep tvtime06:41
K`zanii  tvtime                                     1.0.2-0.3ubuntu2                   A high quality television application06:41
flaccidK`zan: ok so need to look at lscpi entries, the package version from dpkg -l also if you can pastebin the whole output from running tvtime from konsole ..06:41
flaccidalso which video driver are you using and what video card06:42
robbieneed help real fast.... i forgot where to adjust the brightness on my screen06:42
K`zanflaccid: http://pastebin.ca/106528906:43
K`zanNvidia 6600gt/128M06:43
K`zanand whatever x driver the upgrade put in - nvidia drivers are broken now after the upgrade they will no longer compile :-(.06:44
flaccidK`zan: pastebin your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log (in one paste is fine)06:44
flaccidat this point, i'd say that is where the problem lies - the vid driver support for overlay06:45
flaccidi'll brb06:47
K`zanflaccid: http://pastebin.ca/106529706:48
K`zanrr me too, grabbing coffee.  Thanks for the help!06:49
flaccidcool, looking now06:57
flaccidK`zan: driver in use is only vesa, you want to go hardware drivers manager (kdesudo jockey-kde) and enable the restricted driver so you get overlay06:58
flaccidjust ensure the lscpi entry for the video card is not unknown first06:58
K`zanflaccid: Ok, did it but have to restart - not sure what this portends but we'll try:07:03
K`zanNot loading nvidia_new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf07:03
K`zanWARNING: /sys/module/nvidia_new/drivers does not exist, cannot rebind nvidia_new driver07:03
K`zanflaccid: Thanks VERY(!) much Sir!07:03
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K`zanflaccid: No go :-( dumps me to CLI (same thing I was getting before trying to fix it); log reports:07:13
K`zan(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.07:13
K`zanFatal server error:07:13
K`zanno screens found07:13
K`zanFortunately I saved the working xorg.conf :-).07:13
K`zanMay mess with it some more tomorrow, tooooooooo long a day today.  Again flaccid thanks for your help, much appreciated.  Will try again once I get some sleep :).07:14
K`zanEven my old xorg.conf for that card and the nvidia prop drivers does the same thing - just FWIW,07:15
K`zanNight all <splat> :-).07:15
flaccidK`zan: show me the full log with the actual error07:15
K`zanSure, saved it for ref, lemme pastebin it.07:16
K`zanflaccid: http://pastebin.ca/106531007:18
K`zanGonna grab a cup and see if I can't keep eyes open a bit longer :-).07:18
DarthFrogK`zan: It works with the nv driver?07:19
flaccidyeah K`zan i just got another coffee07:21
flaccidK`zan: pretty simple in this case. reinstall the nvidia-glx-* and nvidia-kernel-common packages so they match your current kernel07:21
flaccidthen you should be rockin07:22
K`zanflaccid: glx-new is installed, requested a reinstall, ditto with kernel-common.  Reinstalling now.07:35
flaccidK`zan: okies07:36
K`zanThaankee Sir! :-)07:36
K`zanRebooting now.07:36
K`zanKeeping toes crossed :).  Will report!07:37
apparlehow to install ATI drivers in KDE407:37
zaapielhttp://pastebin.com/m24d24283   <----help please07:38
zaapieli tried to unmark it to leave it but than it wants to install all of kubuntu again07:38
flaccidapparle: goto #kubuntu-kde4 for help with kde4.07:38
zaapielanyway to forcefully remove it?07:38
flaccidzaapiel: what command are you trying atm?07:39
zaapielim using the gui package manager07:39
zaapielto remove it07:39
geniizaapiel: sudo dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq kio-umountwrapper07:41
zaapielgenii: http://pastebin.com/m736674a307:42
zaapielget that error07:42
K`zanflaccid: At least x started this time, still no tvtime - tried the sudo jocky-kde and got:07:42
K`zanNot loading nvidia_new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf07:42
K`zanWARNING: /sys/module/nvidia_new/drivers does not exist, cannot rebind nvidia_new driver07:42
K`zanBeat to hell, thanks for the help but I am falling over, will work on it more tomorrow.07:43
geniizaapiel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio-umountwrapper/+bug/18672907:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 186729 in kio-umountwrapper "Cannot uninstall kio-umountwrapper" [Undecided,In progress]07:46
geniiI wish ppl woudn't use sudo with gui apps.07:47
zaapielty genii07:49
zaapielfix worked07:49
geniizaapiel: Good.07:49
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* genii sips his coffee07:53
tuxwulfgenii> sudo with gui apps..?07:54
tuxwulfgenii > cheers. But if no sudo with gui apps, how else to avoid Can not open DISPLAY errors?07:55
domme_hello, my thunderbird wont open links anymore (i'm using 8.04)07:56
geniituxwulf: "[02:42] <K`zan> flaccid: At least x started this time, still no tvtime - tried the sudo jocky-kde and got:"         this from earlier. Sudo should never be used . Always either kdesu/kdesudo with kde or gksu/gksudo with Gnome07:56
tuxwulfAh... really... well well...07:56
flaccidyeah i don't know why the user did sudo when i said kdesudo ah well07:57
flaccidim off for a bit07:57
geniiflaccid: Heh leaving me here aone eh? ;)07:57
genii*alone     even07:58
jillguys hi to all08:01
jilli want to know can i use my ADSL-200 modem on kubuntu 8.04?08:01
jillin gusty i cant do this08:02
geniijill: Is that a D-Link modem?08:02
jillcan someone help me with this question?08:03
tuxwulfJill, sometimes response is slow08:07
tuxwulfwe are all in different timezones, you see08:07
tuxwulfHave you tried googling? Seems to work for a lot of people...08:08
jillyea.. ~10 - 15 secs delay on chat only... + anything else08:08
flaccid!pppoe | jill08:10
ubottujill: Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE08:10
djtm_you really should be able to use your dsl modem if you can connect it over network cable08:10
geniijill: Research indicates the EciAdsl driver works with the Globespan gs7070 chipset of that modem08:10
djtm_if it's a usb one and it's standards compliant it should work as well08:10
flaccidthat modem has bridged and router mode despite how budget it is08:10
jillthanks, i saving the logs08:11
geniijill: http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download.php has the ubuntu package of this driver08:15
sbucatinoi have a bad audio issue08:15
sbucatinothis issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85102008:16
sbucatinovery strange for me08:16
geniisbucatino: What does command:    lspci | grep Audio                        report?08:18
sbucatinoi have an itel alc861-vd08:19
sbucatino00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)08:19
genii!intelhda | sbucatino08:19
ubottusbucatino: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto08:19
geniisbucatino: I have that card as well, the only fix is to recompile the driver as shown on the link from the bot08:19
sbucatinowell xD another time c08:20
sbucatinogenii: i trust you but ... haven't you an ich8?08:20
geniisbucatino: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)08:21
sbucatinogenii: well but you had the same issue about volume ?08:21
geniisbucatino: Thats my lspci|grep Audio                 I have a Gateway MT6711     and the volume issue was also there until I did the recompile of the driver. It needs doing after every kernel update, unfortunately08:22
sbucatinohave you tried 1.0,17rc3?08:22
geniisbucatino: 1 sec I'll see which I last compiled08:23
geniisbucatino: 1.0.16   is what I currently am using, without problems08:24
sbucatinoi have 1.01608:24
sbucatinobut from installation08:24
sbucatinohave you gutsy?08:25
sbucatinoor hardy?08:25
sbucatinobecause you know my card works08:25
sbucatinois only a issue with recordmydeskopt08:25
geniisbucatino: The issue is that the default settings compiled into the driver are to accomodate the widest range of hardware, but the intel cards need special flags upon comilation.08:25
sbucatinogenii: ok08:26
sbucatinoi am sorry but this issue is very important for me08:26
sbucatinoso i have break your balls xD with my questions08:26
geniisbucatino: Hardy is what I'm currently running. But I also had the same issue on Edgy and Gutsy08:26
sbucatinook i am gonna to compile xD08:27
josef_hai guys i lost my add/remove in the kde start menu how do i get it back08:31
domme_josef: do you mean the adept manager?08:32
geniijosef_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall adept-manager                        hopefully08:32
sbucatinogenii: have yuou written something of special on your files?08:32
sbucatinolike snd-intel and some stuff?08:32
josef_ok thanks genii08:33
geniisbucatino: I have it loading in my /etc/modules      yes08:33
sbucatinoin your module lol08:33
geniisbucatino: snd_hda_intel                 yes08:34
sbucatinogenii: but that stuff isn't to put here  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base08:35
sbucatinoi remember that when i have compiled08:35
geniisbucatino: I forget the exact intructions there. But I have the page bookmarked since I require it after every kernel upgrade.08:36
sbucatinoi will try as you said08:36
sbucatinoare you here often?08:36
geniisbucatino: Yes, fairly often. although right now not so much since I am supposed to be on vacation.08:37
geniisbucatino: Normally from work I am here about 8 hours a day on weekdays08:37
sbucatinoi suppone i will finish this dirty work now but anyway it's userfull talk with a guy tha have my same audio card08:38
geniisbucatino: What I find is if just using built in driver, the sound out is usually fine except any sound input is set to line-level which makes for the weak audio08:39
geniimicrophone especially is horribly weak08:40
sbucatinogenii: yeah yeah that damned microfone08:40
malderкиньте плз линк на русский канал08:41
genii!ru | malder08:41
ubottumalder: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke08:41
natikanyone can help me?08:49
natikno one?08:50
natiki cant setup my SOund Card08:50
natikim newbie in kubuntu08:50
natikany one can help?08:50
natikblat...nu 4to vse molchat08:51
sbucatinook now i have sound as before08:53
natiksbucatino can u help me?08:53
sbucatinonow i am reading some stuff to write something on alsa conf08:53
geniisbucatino: Does the recordmydesktop   produce usable sound level?08:53
sbucatinogenii: yes is the same of before but i have only installed the driver and the other stuff08:54
sbucatinoi am going to set something on alsa.base o something08:54
sbucatinolike that08:54
sbucatinoi can hear my voice loudly08:55
sbucatinobut recordmydeskotp is still low in volume08:55
geniiInteresting. I wonder what it uses for it's default sound input08:56
sbucatinonatik: you should write here08:56
sbucatinogenii: i think it use alsa08:57
sbucatinoyes it uses alsa08:57
natikim writing here08:57
natikbut no one anwser08:57
sbucatinonatik: write very well your problem08:57
sbucatinowith details08:57
geniinatik: There are only a few helpers here right now, so you may not immediately see a result.08:58
natik<sbucatino> so i have kubuntu KDE3, my sound card is Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) i setup ALSA but no sound still08:59
flaccidnatik: goto konsole and run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav and let us know what happens09:00
natikWAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav' : Signed 16 bit L                                 ittle Endian, Частота 48000 Гц, Моно09:01
natikstill no sound09:01
flaccidnatik: goto kmix and alsamixer and make sure that the required channels are turned up and not mute and that your speakers are plugged in corectly09:01
flaccidnatik: in kmix set master channel to PCM09:02
natikwhe i use my headset i can hera the sound09:03
natikwhen i switch it off no soun again:(09:03
flaccidwhere do you plug your headset in?09:03
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natikflaccid: in the case , where i can change the master chanel in kmix?09:04
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geniisbucatino: I find in the preferences menu of krecordmydesktop that the default sound level is only about 1/10th of the way up the slide09:04
flaccidnatik: either there is a switch in kmix that needs to be hit, your speakers are not working/plugged in correctly or there is some other problem09:05
sbucatinogenii: ?what the hell?09:05
natikflaccid: are u sure that my drivers setuped coreectly?09:05
flaccidnatik: yep09:06
sbucatinogenii: where are  preferences  of recordmydestkop i have always run by terminal09:06
geniisbucatino: Rightclick on the icon in the tray, go to Preferences            and then check the sound level in there09:06
geniisbucatino: For kde you should use krecordmydesktop         since it has of course the nice QT gui09:06
sbucatinogenii: ok i have started that application09:07
noaXesshi all09:07
sbucatinogenii: but i have not that controll i have only quality controll09:07
sbucatinogenii: could you take a screenshot?09:07
geniisbucatino: Yes, thats the one. I tested it and when low, the audio is low, when high the audio is louder09:07
noaXessif i do a dd from a 160gb hd to a 200gb hd, will the partitions on the 200gb hd then have the same size as on the 160gb hd?09:07
noaXessor will they be extended to the 200gb hd09:08
geniinoaXess: The first one09:08
noaXessgenii: ok.. then how can i clone a 160gb hd to a 200gb hd that the pertitions will be extended?09:08
geniinoaXess: dd it over then use qtparted to change the partition sizes as you like09:09
noaXessgenii: okay.. thanks..09:11
geniisbucatino: Screenshot http://i30.tinypic.com/wsmsg9.png09:11
geniisbucatino: np09:12
geniinoaXess: np09:12
geniisbucatino: Sorry that was for noaXess  :)09:12
sbucatinogenii: o thank y ma you are so kind but i have still that problem anyway09:12
noaXesssbucatino: have you tried also gtk-recordMyDesktop?09:12
sbucatinoit's the same09:13
sbucatinoi have tried09:13
sbucatinoi was really desperate09:13
geniisbucatino: Hmm. My last resort would be to send you to #alsa channel09:13
sbucatinogenii: i am trying to changge model of laptop on damned alsa-base09:14
noaXesssbucatino: what is the problem exactly, can't read all your wrote09:14
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kuilI am running kubuntu hardy with latest updates and sun java 6 (removed openjdk). I run into a lot of java problems, crashes, in libjvm.so09:14
kuilI have tried to switch between the server and client version of libjvm.. without any luck...09:14
kuilanybody else ran into this problem?09:14
sbucatinonoaXess: it's  a strange issue , really strange because when i use audacity i can record with my microphone reallly loud09:15
sbucatinonoaXess: instead with recordmydestkop volume is very low09:15
sbucatinoand my setting on alsa09:15
sbucatinoit's the same for both programs09:15
sbucatinoso i have put audio quality at the top09:15
sbucatinoon recordmydesktop but it's the same09:16
sbucatinoit's seems recordmuydesktop doesn't like my audio card09:16
sbucatinoi don't know how it could  be  fixed ...i have just compile the new alsa driver 1.017rc309:16
noaXesssbucatino: what about recording audio with any other application, eg. audacity? ther you have more options to select the rifht hardware device for recording09:18
josef_guys i lost the progam addremove to add programs how can i get it back09:18
sbucatinonoaXess: audacity works like a charm very loudly very fine09:18
sbucatinoit's only this silly stupid recordmydeskop09:19
noaXesssbucatino: in gtk-recordMyDesktop you can set the audio device und advanced, sound09:19
sbucatinomm i know09:19
noaXesssbucatino: you you tested there around?09:20
sbucatinoyes i tried something but not so much09:20
natiksbucatino: when i conect the speakers or headset the sound is work09:21
sbucatinoi just wan try this fucking lenovo settings and we'll see if it will work or not09:22
sbucatinowell uff09:27
serzholinokuil: sun-java6-jdk works fine here on hardy09:28
jillwhat is gambas2?09:28
serzholinoswing app, Oracle SQLDeveloper09:29
sbucatinogambas is like visual basic09:29
jilli need it too))09:29
jilli need all development tools09:29
geniisbucatino: Perhaps try what is in post number 4 here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=533021809:31
jill"More... More!!" - agent Smith says.09:31
sbucatinogenii: have you a equium too?09:32
sbucatinoi have equium a1'0009:32
geniisbucatino: No, I have a Gateway MT671109:32
sbucatinoah sorry ok09:32
jillmy Kdevelop interface designer always crash whaen i save my "ui"09:34
jillwhat is it?09:34
jillwhat is it may be?09:34
geniisbucatino: Welcome back again :)09:37
sbucatinogenii: could give me the last link i have lost09:38
sbucatinorebooting :(09:38
geniisbucatino: OK let me find it again09:39
sbucatinonow i will save09:39
geniisbucatino: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5330218    Post number 4  in there09:40
sbucatinogenii: thank y so much09:40
geniisbucatino: Any time09:40
sbucatinogenii: i can 't do this09:41
sbucatinosudo rmmod snd_hda_intel09:41
sbucatinowell is in use09:41
sbucatinoand so?09:41
sbucatinoi have to kill alsa running stuff?09:42
geniisbucatino: Close kmix, run the command09:42
geniiBah capslock09:42
jillcan i make a like copy of my current installed system, because i dont wanna use internet again to update any else kubuntu 8.04 systems? can i be the source of updates to other kubuntu computers?09:46
ubottuTo replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate09:47
jillsaving logs, thanks09:48
geniijill: If the machines you want to update are on the same lan as that box you can use the clone method described above, and if they need a machine to connect to the internet through, you can put apt-proxy on the one you already have09:48
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sbucatinowell no way09:49
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sbucatinowith that stuff is worse than before09:49
jillinternet ->>windows computer->>my computer->>other lan09:49
jilli just cant pay for traffic any more09:50
jillGiBs of traffic are expensive09:50
greeklegendwhat traffic is this?09:50
jillemmm... bytes of digital information from internet to my computer09:51
maniaci have  ubuntu 8.0409:51
greeklegendi think you might be in the wrong channel then.....09:52
maniachow do i go to the right channel?09:52
maniacthis is the first time i came onto irc09:52
greeklegendgo on anyway :P09:52
maniachow do i enable the cool graphic effects on it?09:53
maniaci mean i have read about compiz fusion but how do i enable it09:53
greeklegendsystem->desktop effects09:53
greeklegendin the k menu thingy09:53
maniacthere is an option for desktop effects in appearance09:54
maniacbut when i chose medium level or high level option09:54
maniacit says desktop effects cannot be enabled09:55
greeklegendok, you're on kubuntu or ubuntu?09:55
jilltraffic - size of downloaded information from internet for the money... any providers can take payment for the time of internet and some can take money for the bytes of information you download.. i just dont know right word)09:55
greeklegendyeah type /join ubuntu09:55
greeklegendthank you, i know what traffic is, i was actually asking what traffic you were talking about but whatevedr09:56
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jillokay... then kubuntu is cool if the cloning are possible in it09:57
sbucatinovery very silly09:57
greeklegendapt-get install klone09:57
greeklegendfuck y'all09:58
jillwe are so stuppid people.. first time on linux systems.. hardly09:59
sbucatinoreally is 1 year i am on kubuntu10:00
sbucatinoand still this shame problem10:00
jillrealy my kdevelop interface designer always crushes when i save ui's10:01
jillwhy? how can i fix it?10:01
kuilserzholino: hmm.. my system here is really unusable with any java thing.. (starting netbeans, compiling with maven failes a lot of the times)10:02
geniijill: Someone in #kdevelop   channel might know10:02
sbucatinojill: i don't know10:02
jill.join #kdevelop10:02
serzholinokuil: show  dpkg -l | grep jdk10:03
kuilii  openjdk-6-jdk                              6b09-0ubuntu2                       OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK)10:04
kuilii  openjdk-6-jre                              6b09-0ubuntu2                       OpenJDK Java runtime10:04
kuilii  openjdk-6-jre-headless                     6b09-0ubuntu2                       OpenJDK Java runtime (headless)10:04
kuilii  openjdk-6-jre-lib                          6b09-0ubuntu2                       OpenJDK Java runtime (architecture independent librari10:04
kuilI just installed that10:04
kuiljust to try openjdk.. but that fails as well....10:04
kuilI usually download java from java.sun.com10:04
jussi01!paste | kuil10:04
ubottukuil: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)10:04
serzholinosu, you're using openjdk instead of suns's jdk10:05
kuilatm yes..10:05
kuilbefore I used the latest download from java.sun.com10:05
serzholinoinstall sun-java6-jdk package10:06
kuilwill try.. ..that is what you are using?10:06
serzholinoand remove openjdk10:06
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kuilserzholino: done.. /me keeps fingers crossed10:20
ojoshiroupgrading updating...my... how long is this going to take =)10:21
ct529hi everybody.10:34
zorglu_q. i would like to get konsole to honor ctrl-s to freeze the output, what should i do ?10:34
ct529does anyone know a cli command to serch for all the files on the a local computer who have been modified in the last 2 days and a half (that is 60 hours)?10:34
sbucatinoct529: open konqueror10:35
sbucatinogo in your home10:35
sbucatinothen press CTRL F10:35
sbucatinogenii: Do you know how could i check how hardware device i can set on recordmydesktop10:36
sbucatinogenii: like hw:0,010:36
KamugoHi, where can I download libpng.so.3 ?10:39
geniisbucatino: No idea. There does seem to be some documentation on the entire recordmydesktop at this site however http://recordmydesktop.iovar.org/documentation.php10:39
ct529sbucatino:  I asked for a cli command ....10:39
sbucatinogenii: well thank you so much man10:41
geniiKamugo: sudo apt-get install libpng310:43
geniiBah he left10:43
* genii hates the "Ask and Run" ones10:43
zorglu_q. i would like to get konsole to honor ctrl-s to freeze the output, what should i do ? currently i got "i-search" from bash when i press ctrl-s10:43
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ojoshiroknetworkmanager doesn't want to start10:44
ojoshiroguess I upgraded it to hell10:45
geniizorglu_: perhaps    stty ixon10:47
zorglu_genii: excelent thanks :)10:48
zorglu_genii: any idea who disable this ?10:48
geniizorglu_: There seems a long saga on this in the kde lists10:49
zorglu_genii: ah ok, so it isnt something i have done.10:50
geniizorglu_: Likely not :)10:50
zorglu_ok modifying my .profile. thanks10:51
geniizorglu_: np10:51
ojoshirowhere do I find what  version of kubuntu I have ? it says :"Ubuntu 7.04" on the terminal login.10:59
ojoshiro"info center" doesn't yield the info I expected.10:59
geniiojoshiro: 7.04 would be "Feisty Fawn" edition11:00
ojoshirothank you =)11:01
geniiojoshiro: You're welcome11:02
ojoshirois there a way from there to Hardy? Or do I just reinstall everything again?11:02
ojoshiroah yes11:04
vadviktorhi guys! anyone could tell me, will the kde 4.1 be the first stable release of kde?11:08
serzholinovadviktor: targeted for end users, yes11:13
vadviktorty :)11:13
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riddada indonesian people ga11:33
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ct529does anyone know a CLI command to search for all the files on the a local computer who have been modified in the last 2 days and a half (that is 60 hours)?11:44
flaccidthere is probably something on google ct52911:45
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flaccid!es | beatriz11:46
ubottubeatriz: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.11:46
genii!ask | vipex12:06
ubottuvipex: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)12:06
geniivipex: Also hello12:06
vipexDo u know Finnish irc channel link:D?12:08
ubottuSuomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi12:08
goshawkvipex: you're welcome12:08
Walzmynwhat do I have to do to get mysql working with apache/php?12:11
goshawkvipex: btw, sometimes regional channels are empty or full of away people, if you have a problem ad you know english, ask here your question12:11
goshawkWalzmyn: maybe a LAMP server ?12:11
ubottuLAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)12:12
goshawkWalzmyn: you can install12:12
goshawkLAMP on a existing ubuntu or kubuntu too12:12
Walzmyngoshawk, i've got apache and mysql installed on kubuntu 8.04 - but mysql is not playing nice12:12
Walzmyngoshawk, the webpage says i need to tell php where mysql.so is, but I can't find that file on the harddrive12:13
goshawkWalzmyn: there is a library to link php and mysql12:13
WalzmynI just wanted to do a quick setup to test some thing s before it went live - didn't know it was going to be this big a PITA12:14
goshawkinstall php5-mysql12:14
* Walzmyn looks12:14
Githzeraisudo a2enmod php12:14
Walzmynnow, why in the devil did that not install on it's own? I installed the whole thing by calling php and letting it pull apache in12:15
goshawkWalzmyn: btw, if you will continue to have troubles you can remove all the things that you've installed and install the lamp-server package12:16
goshawkit's a virtual package that sets a lamp server out of the box12:16
GithzeraiWalzmyn: You need to swithc php module on : sudo a2enmod php512:16
GithzeraiAnd restart apache12:17
WalzmynGithzerai, well, that woulda been nice to have found when I started this.12:17
WalzmynALL-RIGHT, we are good to go, thank you much guys12:17
GithzeraiWalzmyn: Had the same problem and frustration when I installed hardy ;)12:17
goshawk:) i've ever installed lamp-server and it worked out of teh box12:18
WalzmynGithzerai, I'm thinking adept needs a filter to just show big meta packages, so you can check there first12:18
GithzeraiWalzmyn: sudo taskselect12:19
Githzeraisudo tasksel , sorry12:19
goshawkor better.. use aptitude instead of adept12:20
goshawkit has a easy meny for tasks12:21
WalzmynGithzerai, what is tasksel?12:22
GithzeraiWalzmyn: try it ;)12:22
Walzmynbleh, it's now saying it can't connect to mysql12:22
GithzeraiWalzmyn: sudo a2enmod , it should give u list of availabe modules12:23
WalzmynGithzerai, oh, man, that tasksel is nice. how do you exit it?12:23
GithzeraiWalzmyn: ctrl+x or ctrl+z or something.... :)12:24
Walzmynok, I'm trying to instlal joomla - it's got a check page to begin with that now says mysql is availiable - but when you try to access the database it says it cannot connect iwth mysql12:37
flaccidWalzmyn: goto #mysql and joomla support12:37
jamfadehi all ^^. been having some issues with kubuntu 8.04 kde4 remix install. it doesnt copy initrd. would it be wise to just copy it from the cd?12:38
Walzmynflaccid thanks12:39
flaccidjamfade: probably not as its an image based install12:40
rysiekjamfade: have you checked the cd for errors?12:41
jamfadeyes, i have checked the cd for errors12:42
GithzeraiWalzmyn: U need to create database first. Just checking ;)12:42
rysiekho-humm. odd.12:42
jamfadeany thoughts on what may be causing this or soemthing else i should check?12:42
rysiekjamfade: are you able to check this on another machine?12:43
rysiekjamfade: i.e. install kubuntu 8.04 kde4 remix from this cd on some other machine and check if it goes AOK12:43
ojoshiroso far so good12:44
jamfadecould use a virtual machine12:44
rysiekjamfade: yeah, that would do the trick12:44
jamfadek, on it12:44
rysiekjamfade: best you could do is: try to do it on a VM from the cd; then, try to do it from the ISO file12:45
jamfadewill do both12:45
kannettavaim a from finnish12:47
kannettavaim a installed ubuntu on today morning12:48
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Malicis there a search option for kghostview?12:49
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about fn12:49
tzdcan someone tell me how to watch apple trailers please? I've installed w32codecs via medibuntu but it still won't work in FF3. What do i need to install please?12:51
flaccidtzd: can i have a test url please?12:52
tzdflaccid: http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/transsiberian/trailer1/12:52
tzdno problem :)12:53
flaccidtzd: you probably need mplayer-plugin12:53
tzdflaccid: ah thanks, will try with that... do i need to have mplayer installed? I mainly use kaffeine for most of my media files12:54
flaccid!info mozilla-mplayer | tzd12:54
ubottutzd: mozilla-mplayer (source: mplayerplug-in): MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.50-1ubuntu2.1 (hardy), package size 494 kB, installed size 1796 kB12:54
flaccidyeah firefox is not K, its GTK..12:54
tzdflaccid: ah ok, thanks12:54
flaccidi seem to be missing quicktime but12:54
Githzeraitzd: mozilla-kaffeine is avilable also12:55
flaccid!info mozilla-kaffeine12:55
ubottuPackage mozilla-kaffeine does not exist in hardy12:55
tzdah unlucky12:56
flacciddang. um i get the audio on that url tzd but not the movie although the quicktime codecs are installed12:56
Githzerai!info kaffeine-mozilla12:56
ubottukaffeine-mozilla (source: kaffeine-mozilla): mozilla plugin that lanches kaffeine for supported media types. In component universe, is optional. Version (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 136 kB12:56
tzdflaccid: hmm it's still better than the plugin thing asking me to install the missing plugin :)12:56
tzdah nice Githzerai! cheers! Will try that one first12:57
flaccidi will try that too but its likely the codec12:57
GithzeraiIf quicktime, than small chance of succes... :(12:58
rysiekkaffeine-mozilla! whoo-hoo! didn't know about that one! thanks, Githzerai12:58
tzdthere's another thing I've been wondering about... I use the adept manager sometimes and for some packets there's a kubuntu symbol next to them... what does that mean please?12:58
tictrictzd: You would be the first one I know of that got them apple movies going on non win or mac12:59
rysiektzd: it means that they are KDE/Qt GUI apps12:59
tictricJust let me know when you work it out ;)12:59
tzdrysiek: i see, cheers!12:59
geniiThat movie plays flawlessly on my 8.04 box here.12:59
tzdtictric: haha yeah i will if ever ;P12:59
rysiektzd: oh, wait, you mean the Kubuntu, not KDE logo?13:00
tictricgenii: heck, how13:00
tzdrysiek: yeah the blue round thingie to the left13:00
tzdnope the kaffeine-mozilla didn't do the apple trailer13:00
rysiektzd: the trailer works AOK here (kubuntu 8.04, FF3.0)13:01
rysiektzd: try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras13:01
geniiInteresting. snapshot preview shows still the movie playing in the box but the png file has a black field.13:01
rysiektzd: I think that icon means those packages are officially supported by Kubuntu team, but not 100% sure13:01
geniitictric: Beats me. Maybe all the stuff I already installed to play my encrypted dvds13:02
tzdrysiek: the restricted packet didn't do it either... hmm this is strange13:04
rysiektzd: did you restart Ff?13:04
tzdrysiek: ah yeah that's what i've been thinking until now... the kubuntu symbol that is13:04
tzdrysiek: i did13:04
tzdhmm i can try in konqueror see if that might help13:05
geniiFor whoever's interested here's a dump of all the installed packages on my box http://paste.ubuntu.com/25915/13:05
KamugoHi, I've a problem with my iPod Classic, I use Amarok, and sometimes it detects the iPod, but the other times no :S13:05
rysiektzd: do that13:05
* rysiek gtg13:07
rysiekcu all13:07
tzdoh.... hmm it did work with konqueror13:07
tzdi might just install mplayer and see if that might help in FF13:07
flaccidi had a crash13:07
julien__Ow you discovered Linux...13:08
flaccidhaha i discovered it years ago :p13:09
tzdinstalling mplayer mozilla plugin did the trick. Cheers guys! :)13:09
flaccidtzd: serious? i still get no video13:10
tzdflaccid: hmm yeah it worked fine... the thign I've installed was mplayer-mozilla plugin, kubuntu-restricted-extras and added the medibuntu rep. and then downloaded w32codecs13:11
flaccidi got all that13:12
tzdflaccid: and you've restarted FF as well?13:12
flaccidah well13:13
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ubottuHi! Welcome to #kubuntu!13:17
iecsamwhat is the best requirement to run kubuntu13:18
flaccid!requirements | iecsam13:18
ubottuiecsam: Hardware requirements to install, boot and comfortably use Ubuntu are listed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements - For a !flavor with lower requirements, see !Xubuntu13:18
iecsami got vista preinstalled13:18
flaccidif you can run vista, you have more than enough power to run kubuntu13:18
iecsami really want to get rid of vista13:19
iecsamexcept someone can show me a software like dreamweaver13:19
iecsamis there a software like dreamweaver13:20
flaccidiecsam: there are a few but none as extensive as dreamweaver. you really should learn how to code semantic and valid html css13:20
ubottukompozer is WYSIWYG HTML editor for easily creating web pages, and the continuation of the dead Nvu project. It is available in !Universe on !Gutsy, !Backports on !Feisty, and from  « deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonyyarusso/ubuntu edgy universe » for Edgy.  (Dapper still pending)13:20
makdaknifeiecsam: have a look at Quanta Plus. Its not quite the same as Dreamweaver, but its certainly one of the nicest Web IDE's I've used13:21
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about bluefish13:21
flaccid!info bluefish13:21
ubottubluefish (source: bluefish): advanced Gtk+ HTML editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.7-4 (hardy), package size 1570 kB, installed size 6728 kB13:21
Githzeraiflaccid: Tnx ;)13:22
flaccidme, i just use kate.13:22
flaccidhehe np Githzerai13:22
tzdiecsam: not sure about dreamweaver but i know you can run a lot of adobe programs via wine13:22
makdaknifeflaccid: or vim....13:22
ojoshiroyah vim13:22
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flaccidwell im running the KDE gui, might as well use a graphical editor~!13:23
Githzeraifallback to nano :)13:23
flaccidits easier to work with also (at least for me)13:23
flaccidnano is still cli. for CLI i use joe13:24
makdaknifeflaccid: to be fair I use kate for loads of stuff... its a great editor13:24
flaccidyep its nicely minimal13:26
iecsamulr for kate13:26
makdaknifeiecsam: http://kate-editor.org/13:27
makdaknifeiecsam: if you're looking to replace dreamweaver, kate is probably not what you're looking for13:28
makdaknifeiecsam: look at quanta, bluefish, kompozer etc13:28
makdaknifeiecsam: but also take the advice that in general you will do yourself a load of favours learning to code semantic html etc13:29
makdaknifeiecsam: certainly I believe that you can run Dreamweaver under wine or under crossover office13:29
jussi01!appdb | iecsam13:31
ubottuiecsam: The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org13:31
ojoshirohmm, I get a lot of "Malformed URL\nfile:///" now.13:36
flaccidthats usually a bug in konq, ojoshiro13:36
ojoshiroI'll have to look into it I guess.13:38
zipper?? flash13:39
zipper? flash13:40
ubottuTo install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (a recent version for !Dapper is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash13:40
sbucatinowell i think i have found out a bug on recordmydestktp13:42
sbucatinoit's the only way13:42
sbucatinobecause audacity and recodrd tool work13:42
sbucatinothe only software is not working is this silly recordmydestkop13:42
flaccid!enter | sbucatino13:43
ubottusbucatino: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!13:43
sbucatinoflaccid: are u kidding or what?13:45
sysnemohi.i have a wireless intel proset wireless 3945abg and i am not sure whether it is configured and installed...can anyone help me in establishing whether it is working or not?13:46
sbucatinowell i have written serverla word for sentece ....so flaccid i think is not so disturb think13:46
flaccidsbucatino: keep it on one line, not 4.13:46
New_Bemberany russians there?13:48
Jucato!ru | New_Bember13:48
ubottuNew_Bember: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke13:48
patrick_this society is rotten13:48
New_Bemberheh.. but what about Kubunu-ru? (-:13:48
patrick_we have found criminals among the judges13:48
flaccidi didn't know this was a society with judges in it. maybe you are in the wrong place, patrick?13:49
patrick_but it is huge13:51
Jucatoand how is this related to #kubuntu?13:52
patrick_they talk about democracy but it is bullshit13:52
patrick_you could relay the information13:52
patrick_open software for open information13:52
Jucatothis isn't the channel for that13:52
Jucatonice try, but no13:53
flaccidalso please keep this channel family friendly, patrick_ (and on topic)13:54
patrick_i was just trying konversation and i pop up here13:55
ubottuThe official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org13:55
KamugoI, i've a iPod classic, I need to delete iTunesLock to use the iPod with amarok, but when I disconnect, the file come agains :S13:56
flaccidpatrick_: yep, this is kubuntu support channel13:56
afeijo_brhi all13:56
afeijo_brthere is a shell torrent?13:57
afeijo_brI'm accessing my home machine thru putty, I cant use ktorrent, can I install some other that works with shell?13:57
afeijo_bror, how can I activate my ktorrent in my graphic session that is open at home thru putty? lol13:58
flaccid!enter | afeijo_br13:58
ubottuafeijo_br: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!13:58
afeijo_brflaccid: sorry, it wasnt my intention13:58
flaccid!info rtorrent | afeijo_br hopefully thats what you mean13:58
ubottuafeijo_br hopefully thats what you mean: rtorrent (source: rtorrent): ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 346 kB, installed size 968 kB13:58
afeijo_brcool, rtorrent, thanks13:59
Jucato!info bittorrent13:59
ubottubittorrent (source: bittorrent): Original BitTorent client - console tools. In component main, is optional. Version 3.4.2-11ubuntu5 (hardy), package size 52 kB, installed size 300 kB13:59
ojoshirookay, I'm lost. After a dist-upgrade I got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25928/  I don't understand what that tells me.14:00
natikany one can help?14:01
Jucatowhat was the question?14:01
flaccidojoshiro: possible a disk write problem ie.possibly physical damage14:01
natikjucato: i have no sound14:01
ojoshirooh I hope not...14:02
ubottuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP314:02
natikjucato: i have no sound , when i conect the speakers or headsets it work14:02
flaccidojoshiro: also chick diskspace, you may be out14:02
natikflaccid:can u help me to?:)14:03
flaccidnatik: i did that earlier. please don't nag.14:04
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natikflaccid it is not work:( sorry man but i whant to setup this OS :( but im newbie14:05
flaccidnatik: yes i know this. i couldn't help you further and the problem seemed to be hardware as your soundcard is working and working when you plug in headphones.14:06
ojoshiroThanks flaccid14:06
flaccidi don't know why your speakers don't work natik!14:06
natikflaccid in Windows Vista it is work14:06
ojoshirothen use vista =)14:06
flaccidnatik: the only thing i could thing of, like i suggested was checking the switches etc. in kmix and alsamixer . i don't know what else it could be or how to troubleshoot. if someone else could help, they probably would of.14:07
natikojoshiro i work on vista to:) but i whant lern linux too14:07
natikflaccid ok man thank u\14:07
ojoshiroyes, I can understand that14:09
ojoshirolooks I thoroughly upgraded to hell now =)14:10
andres_hola que tal14:10
ojoshironote to self: never change a winning team.14:10
andres_alguien me puede echar una mano para poder actualizar mi ubuntu14:10
andres_osea amsn14:10
andres_etc por consola14:10
ubottuEn la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.14:12
Nece228please include kde 3.5 in reposities in kubuntu 8.1014:13
andres_hola que tal todo el mundo14:13
andres_aver si alguien me puede echar una mano14:13
andres_es que no me se los comando por consola para instalar el amsn14:14
Jucatoandres_: English only please.14:14
Jucato!es | andres_14:14
ubottuandres_: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.14:14
GithzeraiNece228: will be there have no worries ;)14:15
afeijo_brhow to set date in shell?14:15
afeijo_brand time14:15
Nece228Githzerai: so kde 3.5 will be in reposities in kubuntu 8.10?14:15
GithzeraiNece228: yes14:16
JucatoNece228: that's the plan14:16
JucatoKDE 4.1 by default, KDE 3.5 optional14:16
Nece228Githzerai: wow, thanks guys for that14:16
afeijo_brbetter, how to syncronize my linux date and time to some server?14:17
GithzeraiNece228: By that time you will like kde 4.1.x though :) ;)14:17
ojoshiroflaccid: throwing away the .deb file and redoing the dist-upgrade seems to work14:17
Pici!time | afeijo_br14:18
ubottuafeijo_br: Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP)14:18
Githzeraiafeijo_br: man date, think date -s should be it14:18
afeijo_brfound on google, date and this sequence: month day hour minute year14:19
afeijo_brcool, found ntpdate command14:20
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afeijo_brntpdate "" && hwclock -w14:23
BluesKajhowdy folks14:32
liquidHey any one feel like helping me?14:33
dr_WillisDepends on the issue. :)14:33
BluesKajstill trying to fix X , after the terrible mess I got into after the latest update14:34
liquidI am having a issue with java on kunbuntu14:34
ubunturosliquid: post your query in detail.14:34
liquidevery time i watch a video it will stop playing after like 5 secs14:34
liquidi dont know how to go into much further detail14:35
BluesKajwhich video player, liquid14:35
Githzerailiquid: video? can it be flash instead of java ?14:35
liquidoops thats what i mean sorry14:35
liquidyes it is the flash plugin for ff314:36
Githzerailiquid: vlc and (s)mplayer are the best, at least from my expirience, for flv14:37
GithzeraiBluesKaj: Still in  trouble with ATi ??? man....14:38
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liquidhmm ill try that thanks14:38
BluesKajGithzerai:  worse than ever14:43
GithzeraiBluesKaj: how far did u get ?14:44
BluesKajGithzerai:  nowhere, I was tired and went to bed, after the ati proprietary driver screwed my setup ...there's no horizontal ctrl is the best way to describe my desktop14:48
BluesKajgonna try the safe rscuemode14:49
GithzeraiBluesKaj: maybe u need to reconfigure monitor settings also, driver reinstall can mees with them too14:49
spowAnyone know where i could get the latest nightly build for C::B?14:50
Githzeraispow: C::B ?14:51
spowCode blocks14:51
Githzeraispow: Wht's that exactly, soory that I don't undarstand... ;)14:52
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zipperHmm, for some reason im only able to set volume to 100% or 0%. Adjusting it doesnt work, the slider in kmix can't really be moved like it should. Any ideas14:58
New_Bemberput all other sliders to 100%14:59
New_Bemberand then at your master channel you can ajust any volume14:59
zipperi really cant, since i'm unable to change the setting of the master channel14:59
zipperthe slider goes right back to 100% when i try to set it to for example 50%14:59
zipperi've tried chmod'ing /dev/mixer and /dev/dsp but it didnt really help anything15:00
New_Bemberapply 100% to the rest of the channels15:02
zipperhow is that supposed to help?15:03
Firefishe<--Feisty here.  Is there a gui-based grub configuration tool?15:03
Nece228so in kubuntu 8.10 final release kde 4.1 will be faster than now?15:06
jonathan_i try to install the current fglrx-xorg-driver. I downloaded the installer from the ati-driver-site and followed all discribed steps in a german tutorial until i got the few deb-packages.15:06
jonathan_now i try to install them with the command "dpkg -i *.deb"15:07
jonathan_it works fine except one package.15:07
jonathan_this is the error i get every time:15:07
jonathan_ /usr/sbin/atieventsd: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory15:08
jonathan_does anyone know how i can fix that error?15:08
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neopsychehi i am getting grub error 18 any fix?15:14
mbufhow can i install "makeinfo" on kubuntu? apt-cache doesn't find it15:17
milko_всем прив15:17
milko_hello all )15:17
milko_Народ, а народ, есть ли нормальная вайн сборка под 8.04?15:18
Githzerai!ru | milko_:15:18
ubottumilko_:: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke15:19
milko_ok, thnx, sorry )15:19
milko_ #ubuntu-ru You're banned from that channel )))))15:19
milko_may be, my ISP`s users do it..15:19
laurent__salut à tous15:19
milko_Anybody know, where I can get finelly wine build to 8.04?15:20
Synnzis anyone in here?15:21
milko_me )15:21
Synnzis there a version of skype for the 64 bit ubuntu out?15:22
milko_don`t know..15:22
Synnzim in afghanistan and thats the main thing i use to call home15:22
milko_Use www.sipnet.ru )))15:22
bobJRhell i wish there was a skype for the 32 bit version15:23
milko_you need SIP phone only )15:23
bobJRthey used to be15:23
Synnzyea they have skype for the 32 its on skypes site15:23
bobJRgoin there now15:23
milko_try Asterisk PBX & chan_skype )15:24
zipperWhen i try to run 'alsamixer' i get this error: alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: No such file or directory - any hints?15:24
milko_you may install alsa-mixer )15:24
milko_apt-cache search alsa | grep mixer15:25
zipperi have the package =P15:25
milko_may be, you must to reinstall it?15:25
zipperelse i would get an error about alsamixer not being found...15:25
milko_may be, you`r installation not so good?15:25
bobJRok dl skype right now thanks  synnz15:26
milko_try to reinstall it, also...15:26
zipper<milko_> may be, you`r installation not so good?15:27
milko_which distro you`re use?15:27
milko_o_O what?15:27
zipperWhen i try to run 'alsamixer' i get this error: alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: No such file or directory - any hints?15:29
milko_google can help u )15:32
Picimilko_: This is a support channel, people are here to get answers, not to be told to go to google to get them.15:32
milko_ok )15:33
Picimilko_: #kubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-offtopic are available if you just want to chat, :)15:34
* milko_ leave, bye...15:35
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bazhanghaving trouble with kmix; the sound is either set very low or at 100% and alsamixer spits out an error when run from the terminal15:46
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zipperI'm having some trouble adjusting the volume with kmix. When i try to move the slider, it just jumps right back to 100% or 0% volume. I get errors when i'm trying to run alsamixer. Fresh install of kubuntu 8.04 on an Asus A6Rp laptop with a realtek ALC660 soundcard.15:53
Rioting_pacifistis it possible to launch a program in its own instance of X16:13
dr_WillisRioting_pacifist,  yes. I can think of several ways to do that.16:15
dr_WillisEasiest . make a specific  session.desktop for it to appear at  the KDM screen.16:15
zipperI'm having some trouble adjusting the volume with kmix. When i try to move the slider, it just jumps right back to 100% or 0% volume. I get errors when i'm trying to run alsamixer. Fresh install of kubuntu 8.04 on an Asus A6Rp laptop with a realtek ALC660 soundcard.16:15
kalorinzipper: you've got digital volume syndrome :)16:16
Rioting_pacifistdr_Willis: im trying to run a game in gdb, vut have the game in an X instance but the gdb either in a console or a 'safe' X session, is that possible? i dont think a desktop session would do that?16:18
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compilerwriterSeems rather quite16:49
compilerwriterquiet rather16:49
Githzeraicompilerwriter: or just maybe... :)16:49
ubunturoswhy do I have such big lags on freenode now?16:55
ubunturosah, now the lag has reduced.16:57
Dr_willis_too many campers , gold farming the servers...  :P16:57
ubunturosgold farming or gold mining? Or do the mean the same?16:58
Dr_willis_its all the same to me.. :P16:59
Dr_willis_IRC - the ultimate MMORPG.16:59
ubunturosargh! I can't recall what the first three letters stand for.16:59
ubunturos. . . Role Playing Game17:00
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SchorfiMega Man17:00
aspirin_hi all17:08
mika__if i wanna start something automatically i put something to users .kde/Autostart folder....BUT if i want that to happen globally everybody. where i have to put my *.sh file?17:14
dejsonto everzone17:17
dejsoni just installed fglrx driver on kubuntu and kdetv doesnt work17:19
jussi01!bum | mika__17:19
ubottumika__: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto17:19
beagleburtjoin #kubuntu-offtopic17:24
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jonathan_i've a big problem!17:52
jonathan_i reinstalled the xorg-fglrx-driver and now all window decorations disappeared...17:52
jonathan_what's the command to fix this? :(17:52
mika__hmm... rc.local wont do the trick.  i want my script to start when user logs in KDE17:55
mika__(to all users globally)17:55
mika__i tryed /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession, but that didn't help....17:56
Dr_willis_that not what rc.local is for.17:57
Dr_willis_use the users Autostart directory17:57
ubottuTo make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory. For a complete guide, see http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html17:57
mika__dr_willis? so i have to put my script to every users AUTOSTART? i want to put it to one place where it will do same.....17:58
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Jucatomika__: read the doc :)17:59
Dr_willis_mika__,  you could make a link.. what if a user decides to not use kde?18:00
Dr_willis_you could also edit the kde.desktop file that gets ran by kdm., and have it run some other script. then launch kde.18:00
Dr_willis_depends on exactly what you are trying to run.18:01
* Jucato points to $KDEDIR/share/autostart though...18:01
Dr_willis_Never noticed that one Jucato18:01
Dr_willis_its not /share/Autostart? :)18:02
JucatoDr_willis_:  <Jucato> mika__: read the doc :) so that goes for you as well :P18:02
Jucatonope. there's a difference (other than just locations)18:02
Dr_willis_Phhhhhhhht. :)18:02
Dr_willis_Im not even using kde. :P18:02
Jucatotouché :)18:03
Jucato(but then again, since you're in #kubuntu, knowing about KDE stuff would help a lot :P18:03
Jucato(seem to have dropped that closing parenthesis)18:03
mika__well actually it would be better if my script starts same time when people are logging in :)18:04
mika__because everybody aren't using kde :D haha...18:04
mika__my english so perfect :D hahah18:05
Jucatowell then you'd have to find a more general (lower level) way to do that18:05
mika__rc.local is too low...ipcheck won't start there....18:05
Jucatohm.. logging in...  not logging in graphically or even in a login shell?18:06
Jucatothis is the only clue I can see: http://docs.kde.org/kde3/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id255960418:07
Jucato(which mentions Xsession, which you already tried..)18:07
itscodyxxI am having a problem in regards to KDE menu editor.18:08
itscodyxxI was attempting to edit my menu selections, and this is the message that I receieved18:08
itscodyxxMenu changes could not be saved because of the following problem: Could not write to /home/itscodyxx/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu18:08
mika__jucato yep...hmm....well i try to think of something....18:08
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SpazMarinesimple question18:17
SpazMarinehow do you change window managers?18:17
dr_WillisSpazMarine,  install others.. at the kdm login screen theres a 'sessions' menu item18:18
SpazMarinebecause i cant figure out how to change from default to Emerald18:18
dr_Willisunless you are refering to compiz18:18
ubottuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness from KMenu -> System -> Desktop Effects - further help in #compiz-fusion18:18
SpazMarineyeah i done that18:18
SpazMarinenow i need to change the look with a emerald theme18:18
dr_Willisemerald is the 'window decorator' part of compiz,18:18
dr_Willisyou start emerald with 'emerald --replace' i belive18:19
dr_WillisThere was a compiz wiki page that detailed this. but the bot no longer mentions the url. :(18:19
SpazMarinesounds too easy to be true but ill try it18:19
dr_WillisYou can use one of 3 'window decorators' ,  the kde one, the gnome one, and emerald.18:19
SpazMarineIT WORKED!18:20
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* SpazMarine kisses Dr.Willis18:20
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SpazMarineoky qvestion numero dose18:21
SpazMarineKBFX start menu18:22
SpazMarinehow can i activate it?18:22
dr_WillisNo idea.18:22
dr_WillisIts a panel widget i thought.18:23
itscodyxxI was attempting to edit my menu selections, and this is the message that I receieved18:25
itscodyxxMenu changes could not be saved because of the following problem: Could not write to /home/itscodyxx/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu18:25
SpazMarineDr. Willis is epic win18:26
SpazMarineindeed the KBFX is a applet18:26
SpazMarineive been tryingto fix it all week18:26
SpazMarinewhere do you set up sessions? at login?18:28
TheFuzzballI am building kdesupport from trunk and I get the message "WARNING: you are using the obsolete 'PKGCONFIG' macro use FindPkgConfig" quite a lot. What do I need to do to correct this?18:30
ubottuПожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke18:32
snirpnewby question: I am trying to edit "/etc/apt/sources.list". It is apparent that i need sudo to edit it. What is the command? In gnome it would be:[sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list]...18:32
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TheFuzzballsudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list18:33
TheFuzzballor sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to do it inside of the terminal18:33
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snirphave no kwrite... is there no command for kate?18:34
snirpor i will get kwrite...18:34
TheFuzzballsudo foo /etc/apt/sources.list, change foo to whatever you want to edit the file with18:35
snirpkeeps claiming the command is not found...18:36
snirpworks with nano, but that is scary. Something wrong with sudo? It gives an error at boot18:37
snirp[kate] works, [sudo kate] does not18:38
kkathmansnirp:  use kdesu kate18:38
snirpthat seems to work, thx! what was wrong?18:39
snirpdarn, again "command not found"18:39
TheFuzzballsudo probably can't access Xorg18:40
TheFuzzballwait, command not found?18:40
TheFuzzballtry sudo /usr/bin/kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list18:40
snirpsudo: /usr/bin/kwrite: command not found18:41
ubuntu__hi im new to ubuntu linux and i wanna know why compiz dosent star when i double click on18:41
ubuntu__is there anyone who can help me out18:42
TheFuzzballsnirp, try kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list18:42
TheFuzzballubuntu_, from a console run compiz --replace18:43
TheFuzzballubuntu_, be ready with a kwin --replace if everything goes to pot18:43
ubuntu__ok and what is a console is it like a terminal18:43
snirpTheFuzzball: command not found.18:43
TheFuzzballsnirp, cd /usr/bin && ls18:44
snirpTheFuzzball: can I find the KdeSu error somewhere in a boot-log?18:44
TheFuzzballsnirp, no, I doubt it18:44
snirpno kate18:44
snirpshall i locate it?18:45
ubuntu__command not found18:45
TheFuzzballsnirp, sudo apt-get -y install kubuntu-desktop kate18:45
snirpTheFuzzball: it is somewhere on my filesystem...18:46
ubuntu__so I'll guess i should return to OS X   instead18:46
ubuntu__think linux is not fir me18:46
TheFuzzballubuntu_, did compiz not run?18:46
ubuntu__nope at all18:47
snirpcan i tell sudo to go and look there?18:47
TheFuzzballsnirp, your using kde4?18:47
snirpyep, should have told you?18:47
TheFuzzballsnirp, yes :)18:47
snirpok, sry18:47
luca_bsnirp: tip: using "whereis <command>" in a terminal helps locating commands that reside in your path18:47
snirpcan i tell sudo to look there as well?18:47
TheFuzzballsnirp, sudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate /etc/apt/sources.list18:47
snirpok, and permanently?18:48
TheFuzzballsnirp, add /usr/lib/kde4/bin to your PATH18:48
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snirpehm, i am newb18:48
TheFuzzballubuntu_, you installed it right?18:48
luca_bTheFuzzball: the PATH should be adjusted if one is inside KDE4 already18:48
TheFuzzballluca_b, except it isn't.18:49
snirphow do i edit path? The file opens by the way, problem solved for now18:49
ubuntu__well in fact i did go to add and remove application click on compiz to install it but when it tels me to double click once the installation is done  nothing happen18:49
snirpn.m. i will look it up18:49
TheFuzzballubuntu_, It's a tiny bit more complicated than that, even window$ doesn't do that18:50
ubuntu__yeah I'noticed18:50
ubuntu__well in fact ussually im running on mac os x18:51
TheFuzzballubuntu_, You'll need a pretty good computer to emulate Compiz18:51
jonathan_hello! can someone tell me what the default window decorator for kde is?18:51
jonathan_the one in kubuntu18:52
ubuntu__well the one im using right now is a dell inpiron 640018:52
itscodyxxokay another problem18:52
TheFuzzballjonathan_, kwin18:52
jonathan_thanks :)18:53
TheFuzzballubuntu_, are you sure that computer has a good enough graphics card?18:53
itscodyxxI am attempting to extract flash player 9 into my /opt folder, and it is stating that I cannot write in such a folder.18:53
itscodyxxOfficial text:18:53
ubuntu__yeah it work once and the   none18:53
ubuntu__ and then i mean18:53
TheFuzzballitscodyxx, do you have the necessary permissions?18:54
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ubuntu__i did get the 3 d effect and all the shit goin on  but   now   nothing at all18:54
itscodyxxI believe so.18:54
itscodyxxHow would I check?18:54
TheFuzzballitscodyxx, sudo chown username -R /opt && chmod -R 775 /opt18:55
ubuntu__maybe it miss a library18:55
TheFuzzballubuntu_, You said you had it working?18:55
TheFuzzballubuntu_, this is the same install?18:56
ubuntu__well kind of   but let me tell you this18:56
itscodyxxokay, I ran this command and a password prompt in Konsole just appeared. I attempt to type in my password, but nothing appears in the password promp in the Terminal Window18:56
TheFuzzballitscodyxx, It's ok, it does that so people don't count how many characters are in your password18:57
ubuntu__  nevermind18:57
TheFuzzballubuntu_, try reinstalling compiz18:58
ubuntu__just because im running in virtual boot18:58
Sidhey i have recently installed gran paradiso.... when i try to access a site, it shows me message that i need to install jre...however, i see that i have already installed jre6...whats missing?18:58
ubuntu__ on  a live cd18:58
itscodyxxwell, I typed my password, and this is what occurred18:58
itscodyxxPassword: Sorry, try again. Password:18:58
TheFuzzballubuntu_, hmm, none for your environment sounds ideal for running Compiz18:59
TheFuzzballitscodyxx, you typed it wrong, do it again :)18:59
ubuntu__well it did18:59
ubuntu__trust me it did18:59
TheFuzzballubuntu_, reinstall and do what you did before to get it working.19:00
helpthisnoobiehello everyone19:00
helpthisnoobieI need some help with kubuntu 7.10 install19:00
snirpTheFuzzball: Did a symbolic link to kate. Slowly getting past the newby stage...19:01
itscodyxxI typed the password in Konsole. After doing so, my Konsole window says <Finished>, and I am unable to type any command19:01
TheFuzzballsnirp, why symlink?19:01
ubuntu__is there a french chat in there19:01
helpthisnoobiei've been searching thru the web for intructions on how to do it...but i have found instructions for 8.04 only....19:01
itscodyxxwait nevermind19:01
ubuntu__like a french canadian channel19:01
snirpoh well, 1. it works19:01
ubottuCe canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr19:02
TheFuzzballitscodyxx, ctrl + c19:02
snirp2. no tempering woth path while kde4.1 is installing19:02
helpthisnoobieim to the point of preparing the disk space....19:02
helpthisnoobieI want to run a dual boot system19:02
TheFuzzballhelpthisnoobie, why do you not want to use 8.04?19:02
SpazMarine8.04 is alright for me19:03
SpazMarineand im a total idiot19:03
tictric!install | SpazMarine19:03
ubottuSpazMarine: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate19:03
helpthisnoobieits not that i dont want to use it...I have the live cd for 7.10  and it will take a while to d/l 8.0419:03
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itscodyxxokay, I am typed in the command, and here is what it happening19:03
snirphelpthisnoobie: i advise on 8.04 too19:03
TheFuzzballhelpthisnoobie, on the avg broadband connection it takes an hour19:03
SpazMarinei havent even touched the terminal once and i managed to get everything going19:04
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snirphelpthisnoobie: i went through both, and hardware support was better for me on 8.0419:04
itscodyxxitscodyxx@linux-pwnz:~$ sudo chown itscodyxx -R /opt19:04
itscodyxxitscodyxx@linux-pwnz:~$ sudo chown itscodyxx -R /opt19:04
SpazMarineits work waiting for the download19:04
helpthisnoobieand I cant upgrade it later19:04
helpthisnoobieor is it much better to just d/l19:04
TheFuzzballhelpthisnoobie, It is better to download it19:05
zipperyou can upgrade to newer versions, but you're likely to get problems19:05
zippermuch better to just get the new cd, and do a clean install19:05
SpazMarineim just trying to get it to look like the die hard 4.0 theme the kid in the film had19:05
helpthisnoobiewell I trying to get a dual boot and it looks like it will work19:05
SpazMarinethe is the first os i ever got to dual boot19:06
SpazMarineonly on 8.04 though19:06
helpthisnoobiei just thought it might be easier to install this and then upgrade than to d/l and wait for an hour19:07
itscodyxxLike, it will do nothing just prompt another empty command line19:07
SpazMarinei heard upgrading on ubuntu is a bit shaky19:07
tictricSpazMarine: Sometimes it's better if you have some experience ;)19:08
tictricAdvanced user I might say19:08
snirp<helpthisnoobie: no offense, you just spent 15 mins of thje hour here receiving the same arguements19:08
SpazMarineyeah......... i dont think id try it19:08
snirpagain no offense ;-)19:09
jonathan_i reinstalled the fglrx-driver for my ati-card and now, for any reason, my windows decorator got lost.19:09
helpthisnoobieyeah i guess ur right19:10
zipper[20:08] <tictric> SpazMarine: Sometimes it's better if you have some experience ;)19:10
zipperi agree it might work, but it being better?19:10
SpazMarine......... there is one other way19:10
snirpoh noobie: you have the choice between 4.0 and 3.5.919:10
SpazMarineback up the packages you want with.........19:10
jonathan_and everytime i try "kwin --replace" (don't matter whether i type this in the konsole or in recovery mode etc.) i get the message "cannot connect to xserver"19:10
snirpget some advise here which is best, i dunno yet19:11
SpazMarineAPTonCD you might wanna look at19:11
jonathan_does anyone know what's the problem?19:11
SpazMarinebacks up all your packages19:11
helpthisnoobieok now this is going is for a laptop with 256mb RAM...i should dl the alternate cd or the main cd19:11
nouveau_sous_ubuca parles tu francais19:11
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beagleburthelpthisnoobie - make sure you use "md5sum" to check integrity of download19:12
nouveau_sous_ubui need a french canadian channel19:12
tictric!fr | nouveau_sous_ubu19:12
ubottunouveau_sous_ubu: Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr19:12
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itscodyxxokay, I fixed the problem. Basically, I went into KUser, edited the root password settings. Before I ran the command, I set it to run as root.19:13
itscodyxxBeautiful. Thank you very much for the help.19:13
snirpehm, just suppose i accidentally used the alternate (on a new system)... Does it perform any less now? Than the regular. Just suppose. Any way to fix it?19:14
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snirpTo be honest i guess i did19:14
helpthisnoobiemd5sum is wat19:15
snirpchecks integrity of download19:16
tictricbeatriz__: buscas un channel español? :)19:16
beatriz__#UBUNTU ESPAÑA19:16
helpthisnoobiecan it be used on windows19:16
ubottuEn la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.19:16
beagleburthelpthisnoobie - yes19:17
beagleburthelpthisnoobie - Google - 1st try Wikipedia19:17
helpthisnoobieIm talking about md5sum19:17
snirpso are we19:18
helpthisnoobiewill it run on windows19:18
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snirpsome are just talking spanish19:18
helpthisnoobiecause im doing a dual boot19:18
helpthisnoobiegotta keep windows for my wife19:18
beagleburthelpthisnoobie - easy to do on Linux but you can DL free programs that will werk on Windoze19:18
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tictric!dualboot | helpthisnoobie19:18
ubottuhelpthisnoobie: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot19:18
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miguelinuxi was thinking on installing kubuntu on my girlfriend's PC19:19
tictrichelpthisnoobie: please read that19:19
snirpthat should do it\19:19
miguelinuxi know it's not LTS, but will it recieve base security  updates like ubuntu??19:19
helpthisnoobieok thanx..currently dl 8.04 will stay hereand get back to u if neccesary19:19
miguelinuxdoes anybody know if ubuntu's base security updates for Hardy LTS will also apply for kubuntu?19:22
miguelinuxyou know, they share the repos after all19:22
Dr_willis_i would think they would.19:22
miguelinuxah, thanks19:22
Dr_willis_i dont really see how they couldent. :)19:22
miguelinuxi don't think my GF will like to update her kubuntu after 18 months19:23
Dr_willis_a year and a half is a long time19:23
miguelinuxwell, it is for me19:23
miguelinuxbut it will be her first linux19:23
miguelinuxso i'm not 100% sure19:23
miguelinuxand she's on dial-up19:23
Dr_willis_In 'theory' you just use the package manager and upgrade/update. and it does it19:23
Dr_willis_Nothing will force her to update. I imagine19:24
miguelinuxonly security holes ;-)19:24
miguelinuxalthough KDE doesn't really have many security updates, does it?19:24
Dr_willis_Ubuntu tends to have only afew updates after release.. they just released the 8.4.1 images. that rolled all updates into the cd image I belive19:25
Dr_willis_The kubuntu 8.4.1 i imagine is out somewhere also.19:25
Dr_willis_I havent looked. :)19:25
miguelinuxit is19:25
miguelinuxlink to kubuntu 8.04.1 is http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/19:26
miguelinuxthe best thing is these images have tons of updates already applied, so no need to download heavy kernels or openoffices19:27
Dr_willis_Ive been using that Mint Linux mainly on my machines the last few months..19:29
miguelinuxmmm, i'm getting great download speeds right now, so please, nobody download kubuntu now :p19:29
miguelinuxjust joking19:29
Dr_willis_during the release - the torrend download speeds were.. the fastest id ever downloaded anything. :)19:30
Nece228miguelinux: haha XD but you should post this in #kubuntu-offtopic19:30
miguelinuxoh, sorry19:30
miguelinuxI'm a noob in IRC19:30
netixi have problem with my sound, when i play some mp3 song it sounds very very lagy..19:30
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netixsound dosnt lisen slow but somthong laggy also is together with sound19:32
netix..am is somone here?19:32
netixnicht sprehen?19:32
jussi01netix: yes19:33
Dr_willis_Yes. and i have no clue as to the sound problem19:33
netixjussi01:can u help me19:33
jussi01netix: you may also want to ask in #kubuntu-de19:33
netixno i dont speak well19:33
netixin german19:33
jussi01netix: which sound card?19:34
netixso can jussi01 and Dr_willis_ help me?19:34
jussi01(use lspci in terminal to find out)19:34
Dr_willis_--->  and i have no clue as to the sound problem19:35
netix Neomagic Corporation NM2360 [MagicMedia 256ZX Audio]19:35
jussi01the only thing I can suggest is:19:36
ubottuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP319:36
netixplease not again this bot, can you help me step by step i am new in linux19:37
netixcan be problem computer speed?19:37
jussi01netix: I dont know the answer.19:39
BBM-5mal ne frage: wie ändere ich die versions nummer eines installierten paketes?19:39
Nece228netix: whats your cpu speed?19:40
jussi01BBM-5: english only in here please19:40
tictric!de | BBM-519:40
ubottuBBM-5: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de19:40
Dr_willis_sound troubleshooting can be trivial, or impossible.19:40
BBM-5oh sry wrong channel i thought its the german19:40
BBM-5well then19:40
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about lv19:40
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about eu19:40
netix!noob sphct19:40
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about noob sphct19:40
Nece228netix: dont play with bot19:40
netixok ok19:40
BBM-5i need to change the version number of an installed package19:40
miguelinuxgood luck to everybody19:42
ipezzeihi people19:47
ubuntu___i tried to upgrade to hardy from fiesty by live cd. it rebooted and said grub error 15. any help?19:49
Nece228netix: when i want download a deb package in konqueror19:50
BBM-5i need to change the version number of an installed package19:50
Nece228i click on download but it dont shows me to save or open file, it just opens it with kate19:50
Nece228how to fix that?19:50
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ipezzeiNece228 firefox?19:50
Nece228no firefox please19:51
Nece228i wanna use konqueror19:51
tictricBBM-5: ???19:51
ubuntu___i tried to upgrade to hardy from fiesty by live cd. it rebooted and said grub error 15. any help?19:52
ubuntu___i tried to upgrade to hardy from fiesty by live cd. it rebooted and said grub error 15. any help?19:52
BBM-5there is a package with the version number 0.4.2 but i want it to be 0.4.3 beacause there is an update to 0.4.3 but this version doesn't work19:53
Dr_willis_I dident even think the live cd could do an upgrade...19:53
tictricBBM-5: you want me to guess what package you are talking about?19:54
ipezzeiubuntu___ wrong root partition?19:55
ubuntu___Dr_willis_:  ipezzei  i didnt upgraded it. i checked the formate box of my previous ext3 sda6 that is. fresh install.19:55
Nece228oh wait, after i did updates to kubuntu 8.04.1 that problem gone19:56
ubuntu___Nece228:  talking to me?19:56
Nece228ubuntu___: no19:56
ipezzeiubuntu___ the error means: file not found19:56
ubuntu___Dr_willis_:  ipezzei  btw, how can i just formate the sda6 first. any app that can do it?19:57
Dr_willis_So you did a clean install then...19:57
ubuntu___ipezzei:  why19:57
ubuntu___Dr_willis_:  ya19:57
Dr_willis_gparted can format/partition all you could want..19:57
BBM-5f-spot q tictric19:57
BBM-5@ tictric19:57
ipezzeiubuntu___ gparted or the "gparted boot disk" ;)19:58
ubuntu___why i get the grub error..19:58
tictricBBM-5: I for one use aptitude. So:19:59
tictricsudo aptitude19:59
Nece228ubuntu___: whats the grub error code?19:59
tictricthen hit 'U'19:59
UkonpoikaHi, a little problem here. Using Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3.5.9. I'm trying to extract musicfiles from a cd to my collection. Problem is that the cd contains a video-file, so Kubuntu refuses to read the musicfiles, all I see is the vidfile. :( Any help would be great.19:59
tictricthen hit 'shift-U'20:00
ipezzeiubuntu___ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43591 an (old) post but an example of a cause20:00
tictricthen hit 'G' twice20:00
ubuntu___Nece228:  1520:00
tictriceverything updated20:00
evan__hey is it true when installing ubuntu there are only 2 needed updates?20:00
tictricnot only f-spot20:00
evan__ubuntu / kubuntu20:00
ubuntu___evan__:  kubuntu20:00
ubuntu___kde 4 remix...20:00
ubuntu___evan__:  ipezzei  Nece228  kde4 remix20:01
ipezzeiubuntu___ ??20:01
BBM-5thanks tictric it updated to 0.4.3 which doesnt work ...20:01
evan__ubuntu___:  what are you tryng to say?20:01
ubuntu___ipezzei:  i have that i mean20:01
tictricBBM-5: so you want back to 0.4.220:02
BBM-5the bug disappeared20:02
BBM-5don't ask me why20:02
evan__ubuntu___: i dont understand i asked if it where true if i installed kubuntu i only had to update 2 packages ?20:02
tictricBBM-5: Just a normal miracle20:02
tictricwe got that all the time20:02
Nece228ubuntu___: wait a sec im searching for solution20:03
BBM-5i wnated to stay at 0.4.2 and prohibite (i hope its the right word) the update to 0.4.320:03
c0m4rafter installation of ubuntu games are installed by default?20:05
c0m4rand what about FX320:05
ubottufirefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins20:07
Dr_willis_firefox is in the repos..20:07
Dr_willis_!info firefox20:07
ubottufirefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 (hardy), package size 64 kB, installed size 120 kB20:07
HazaEvening folks. Ive had this problem before and i canoot remember how to fix it. My Adept manager DB is locked and thus i cannot install any new software.20:07
c0m4rI meant default browser20:07
Nece228ubuntu___: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29726120:09
ubuntu___Nece228:  OK20:09
Nece228ubuntu___: this may fix that20:09
p2pwhat is the command for purging a package with configuration files also?20:10
ere4siapt-get remove --purge20:11
Dr_willis_apt-get remove --purge (i think)20:11
tictricp2p: meanwhile there's even apt-get purge <package> iirc20:11
p2pthanks a lot20:11
ubuntu___WHICH partitions type is better for linux. ext3 or  any other?20:11
Dr_willis_if you have no special needs. use ext320:12
ubuntu___Dr_willis_:  WHAT KIND OF SPECIAL NEEDS20:12
Dr_willis_ubuntu___,  are you running a large multi TB fileserver?  or somthing unusual? proberly not.. :)20:13
Dr_willis_so  use ext320:14
ubuntu___Dr_willis_:  I PLAN TO HAVE WEBSERVER.20:14
BBM-5tictric: if i still want to stay with 0.4.2 despite my sstem wanting an update, what can i do20:14
Dr_willis_a webserver is not  that special. :) unless you are going to run somting really big..20:14
ubuntu___Dr_willis_:  ISNT EXT3 GOOD FOR BIG THINGS?20:15
Dr_willis_ubuntu___,   theres big files, vs lots of little files,  vs lots of file access/creation. some fs's are a little better at some of these tasks then others.20:15
Dr_willis_When in doubt stick with ext320:15
ubuntu___-THANKS ALL.20:17
ipezzeiubuntu___ ext3 is the standard. Reiserfs is also good but i wouldn't rely on it...20:17
ubottuTo install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto20:18
kakooniai cant find skype on repos for 8.04 (kde)20:18
kakooniaany alternative?20:19
Dr_willis_its in the mediabuntu repos20:19
Dr_willis_or get it from the skype homapage20:19
ubottuTo install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto20:19
kakooniahow can i add mediabuntu to my repos list?20:19
ubottumedibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org20:20
kakooniathanks dude.20:20
senorpedrohi folks20:21
ubottuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats20:21
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about lista20:22
MetaMorfoziSHi all20:22
MetaMorfoziSI wanted to enable HPET using the kernel line option hpet=force, but after the boot i get "Failed to force enable HPET" in the syslog20:23
MetaMorfoziSIs there anybody who can help me to debug this?20:23
MetaMorfoziSonly 9 result in google for it20:23
MetaMorfoziSand seems noone helpful for20:23
* Dr_willis_ has no idea what HPET is.20:24
Dr_willis_I got a Dog Pet. :)20:24
MetaMorfoziSHigh Precision Event Timer20:24
Dr_willis_perhaps thatfeature is not in the default kernel?20:25
MetaMorfoziSIf i enable it, then my cpu can sleep more time and can consume less power20:25
MetaMorfoziSit's here, but not enabled by default just on the whitelisted machines20:25
MetaMorfoziSthe hpet=force overrides this20:25
MetaMorfoziSbut for me looks it isn't works20:26
jadohello i have problems with amsn20:29
BluesKajI've been trying to install the vesa graphics driver but the xserver-xorg utility doesn't have that option anymore , i have a screen that is totally desynched, so I just have a whole lot of horizontal angles coloured bars like the out of kilter horizontal ctrl used to appear in old tv sets.20:29
SirTrombaLothi all20:29
SirTrombaLotcit. steve ballmer20:30
SirTrombaLothe was talking about linux20:30
SirTrombaLotcome on laugh i'm a comic20:30
ipezzeiSirTrombaLot why not? Pecunia non olet, said my ancients20:30
BluesKajSirTrombaLot:  when you come up with something humourous20:31
sbriggiwhat's up?20:31
BluesKajI wonder if I installed kubuntu in windows with wubi if i could get access to the xorg.conf with a fix ?20:32
sbrigginerver tried wubi20:32
jadoi can't see the colors on the nicknames on amsn even though i have installed amsn-plus20:33
BluesKajI just need to get the right graphics driver installed , even the vesa driver would be a help cuz my screen is totally borked.20:34
jussi01BluesKaj: Id imagine so - wubi is just a way of putting a filesystem into a windows file20:34
jussi01if I understand it correctly20:34
jadoi can't see the colors on the nicknames on amsn even though i have installed amsn-plus20:37
jadoanyone ?20:37
BluesKajjussi01:  dunno , there's gotta be a fix ...wonder what possesed the devs to delete the graphics driver options in xserver-xorg.conf in Hardy. It's really put me in a mess. The ATI rec'd driver is what did me in :(20:38
BluesKajjado, check options/configure20:39
jadowhere ?20:39
kkathmanhey BluesKaj :)20:39
BluesKajamsn , where else20:39
jadopreferences and then ?20:41
c0m4rhow to install kde4?20:41
ubottuKDE 4.0.5 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.5.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde420:41
jadosorry BluesKaj, i go in preferences, and then ?20:42
BluesKajDr_willis_: any ideaq how to get the veas driver installed using xserver-xorg ?20:43
Dr_willis_BluesKaj,  not really. I thought it was in there by default as a failsafe driver20:43
BluesKajI wish it was20:43
Dr_willis_xserver-xorg-video-vesa - X.Org X server -- VESA display driver20:43
Dr_willis_xserver-xorg-video-vga - X.Org X server -- VGA display driver20:44
jussi01BluesKaj: you can still add the old options - it recognises them20:45
jadoyou can't help ?20:46
GithzeraiBluesKaj: xorg.conf type vesa for driver (or preinstalled, not propriatery, ati in your case)20:46
Dr_willis_ive changed 'ati' to 'vesa' befor on my oldlaptop20:46
Githzerai*preinstaled ati, not fglrx20:47
jadothanks ...20:47
BluesKajDr_willis_: I forgot the command for editing xorg.conf in the shell20:58
jadoanyone for help ?20:59
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BluesKajor at the TTY prompt, even20:59
jadoi can't have nick's colors20:59
jadoon amsn even-though i have installed amsn-plus21:00
BluesKajheh try irc on irssi , a grand total of 4 colours :)21:00
jadoi'm talking about nick's colours on amsn21:01
HighHojado: I suggest trying the #amsn channel or there forums.21:02
BluesKajtried sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf ..but there's no way of scrolling back to the text to edit it21:06
HighHoBluesKaj:  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?21:07
BluesKajnano, yeah21:07
BluesKajI think HighHo21:07
BluesKajbrb , let you know21:08
jillthere are too many programs i install on K-menu->>Development (5 columns). How can i use scrolled menus in K-menu?21:18
BluesKajok, I've managed to add "vesa"as the driver , but now how do i save the changes ?21:20
netixis here anyone who now a lot about sound?21:20
HighHojill: Im not sure how to give a scrolling menu if it doesnt by default, you could perhaps add sub menus using the menu editor21:20
HighHoBluesKaj: Ctrl + x21:21
netixis here anyone who now a lot about sound?21:21
dr_Willisegads.. you still fighting with sound? :)21:21
dr_Willisand No i dont know nothing.21:22
jillhighho but if i uninstall any program my own menu item are stay here, am i right? like in windows?21:22
BluesKajHighHo:  ok thx21:22
mkquistnetix: u mean like it's our sensing of the vibrations put out by an object against the current atmosphere type of thing?21:22
netixmp3 dont work well but when i convert to wav it works perfect..21:23
mkquistnetix: what do u mena dont work well?21:23
urihello, help needed in installation! receive and error : unable to execute /bin/sh on installation21:23
HighHojill: The menus should update by themselfs when a program has been removed, even if you change the menu layout21:23
netixmkquist: cant explain it sounds like my computer are to slow21:24
mkquistnetix: like the timing off right?21:24
jillmaybe i can download any alternative applet of K-menu?21:25
mkquisttry reinstalling codecs and check which driver your system is using for your sound card?21:25
jillcan i install gnome on kubuntu 8.04?21:26
netixthere is one more problem i dont now how to do all thet you sad :)) ..i just start use kubuntu21:27
HighHonetix: make sure you have the libxine-ffmpeg package21:27
netixi have21:27
netixcan u say maybe program are wrong?21:28
netixwhat program i need use?21:29
HighHojill: Yes you can install gnome on kubuntu, installing the meta package - ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-minimal would be the easyest way21:29
HighHonetix: there are many programs amarok or Juk are 2 diffrent ones you can try21:30
jillhighho is this apt-get install "ubuntu-desktop" command i need?21:30
netixthank you for some help..21:31
HighHojill: Yes, it will give you a list of the packages it will install so you can make sure your happy them before accepting21:32
mkquistnetix: check here for instructions on what I suggested - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20544921:32
jillhighho cool, eemmm.. if i use this command - ubuntu-desktop install will full?21:33
netixlinux are a bit hard..21:33
netixwhy you use linux?21:35
HighHojill: That will install the ubuntu  gnome desktop with almost all you should need.21:35
FSHeroHi ... can someone recommend a KDE-based rolling distro please?21:37
dr_WillisI dont find linux hard at all.21:39
mkquistnetix: its 'a bit hard' cause ur not used to it, gets easier though... of course with use, but remember its free too  =)21:39
dr_WillisTroubleshooting windows problems.. now THAT canbe hard.21:39
FSHerodr_Willis: I thought you were a Linux expert... you've helped me out in the past! (Thx btw)21:39
netixdr_Willis: i dont troubleshoot win problems.. i just fix them :))21:40
Agent_bobnetix you mean you remove windows from the system ?21:40
* Agent_bob fixes windows problems that way too21:41
netixyes i remove from this one21:42
netixbecause i want try sothing new :)21:42
netixalso Win was to slow for this computer21:42
netixi put on ubuntu and in next day kubuntu21:43
netixi like linux because its more like programming21:43
Agent_bobwin95 is pretty fast.   it installs fast, it boots fast, it crashes fast....21:43
netixlol.. yes it does thet but i use xp on this on other i use vista but in linux you can edit lot of staff here21:44
Agent_bobFSHero care to repost your Q,  i might know something,  and i might not.21:44
netixedit easier as in windows because win needs acces registry anc it will be hack :D21:45
Agent_bobnetix if you don't use "restricted" repository,  you can "edit everything"21:45
Agent_bobin linux  ^21:46
netixis there a way how to speed up linux?21:46
netixmore like its now runing?21:46
netixthis computer is so bad :)21:46
Agent_bobnetix there are several tweeks yes.   the basic idea would be to turn off everything that is not needed.   the less the system is asked to do the faster it can do it21:47
netixcan you say what i dnt need?21:48
netixthese are some underground process?21:49
Agent_bobif [ `ps -A x | wc -l` -gt 45 ] ;then echo "something can surely be turned off here!" ;else echo "less than 40 processes running" ;fi21:50
Agent_bobnetix pstree   and compair with the process table in system settings21:53
netixok bye i need re maybe start we will se other day..21:54
netixwith diferent name21:54
Rioting_pacifistdoes using lvm have any overhead? is it a CPU overhead or a disk access time over head or something else?21:54
Agent_bobRioting_pacifist not a lot21:55
Agent_bobbut yes21:55
netixso if you see SPhcT thets me21:55
Agent_bobcpu which equates to disk access time too  but not a lot.    negledgable in most cases21:56
Rioting_pacifistare there any circumstances where it would be noticable to have a partition in lvm, compiling lots? filesevers running on it? i have no reason to use LVM tbh but figured if in the future i wish to add a hdd id have to setup LVM now right?21:57
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Agent_bobwhy would you need to setup lvm at all to add another hdd ?21:59
Rioting_pacifistif i have a /home partition and it fills up, i thought id need lvm to be able to plug a 2nd harddrive in and have that drives space added to /home, is there a better way to do it?22:00
dr_Willisinstall/partition/format/mount the new drive. and mount it as /home, or make a  'ExtraStorage' directory on it. and move some  of the users over to it..22:01
dr_Willis depends on whats using all your space. :)22:02
dr_WillisIts not too hard to move home over to a new partition.22:02
evan__how can i change the background color of the menubar to transparent?22:02
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evan__i ment the menubar's clock applet22:03
p2pwhat wifi client is more confortabily with grafical interface? (like wlassistant)22:05
Rioting_pacifistevan__: if i set my pannel to be transparent all applets backgrounds go transparent perhaps set it to default color?22:05
Agent_bobRioting_pacifist also as Dr_willis started, if it's just a matter of storage space it doesn't have to be in /home to be usable by all users.   one can   mkdir /storage ;mount /dev/hdx# /storage ;chmod 777 /storage  and every one on the system could then use it.  or if privacy is an issue you could give everyone subdirs as in /home so in /storage  and even symlink /home/$USER/storage /storage/$USER   for convienance.   also yes22:05
Agent_bobat any rate Rioting_pacifist learning lvm is probably a worth wile adventure.  :/22:07
psycoDoes anyone here know why my glide wrapper shows up black?22:08
Agent_bobevan__ right click the clock and configure it22:08
evan__Agent_bob: its fixed thank22:09
Rioting_pacifistthx i think ill setup my roots on it but leave my /home on a single partition on a seperate driver so its easily recoverable, thx for help Agent_bob & dr_Willis.22:09
Rioting_pacifistp2p: what do you mean in kde there is knetworkmanager to sort out wireless through NetworkManger, what are you looking for?22:10
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beatrizkubuntu español22:11
beatriz#kubuntu es22:11
ubottuEn la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.22:12
p2pRioting_pacifist it doesn't comunicates well with mi wifi interface, I don't know why22:13
dr_WillisI often just move specic users to what amounts to /home2 :) and link their dirs to /home/ they never see that they got moved22:13
p2peth0 interface works well with that22:13
Rioting_pacifistp2p: are you sure your wireless is working, NetworkManager *should* work well with any card that has working drivers22:14
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about fritz22:14
senorpedro!fritz usb stick22:14
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about fritz usb stick22:14
senorpedro!avm wlan usb stick22:14
ubottusenorpedro: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:14
senorpedrosorry ubottu22:15
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about avm22:15
senorpedro!wlan usb stick22:15
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about wlan usb stick22:15
p2pyes, with wlassistant works well, but I don't like it22:15
Rioting_pacifistsenorpedro: what are you looking for?22:15
Agent_bobdr_willis yeah that's probably the most simple add-on space setup   i'm still a little more partial to moving their storage area $HOME/docs or what ever, to a new drive22:15
senorpedrofor howto/tutorial about getting the avm fritz box usb wlan stick to work22:16
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eramalguien que hable espa;ol22:16
Agent_bob!es eram22:16
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about es eram22:16
Rioting_pacifistusb+wifi+linux = bad, generally you can give google a shot but tbh the outlook is not good22:16
ubottuEn la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.22:16
Agent_bob!es | eram22:16
ubottueram: please see above22:16
dr_WillisAgent_bob,  or i make /media/Morestoreage/BillsExtraSpace  :) then just let bill link that dir to his /home/bill/MoreSpace22:17
Agent_bobyeah that's what i'm saying. Dr_willis22:17
Agent_bob!wifi | senorpedro if there is one it will probably be linked here22:19
ubottuAgent_bob: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:19
Agent_bobubottu you've gone mad son.22:19
ubottuAgent_bob: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:19
Agent_bob!wifi | senorpedro if there is one it will probably be linked here22:19
ubottuAgent_bob: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:19
Agent_bobwhat in that string is tripping the bot ?22:20
Agent_bob!wifi | senorpedro22:20
ubottusenorpedro: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs22:20
senorpedrothx Agent_bob22:20
Agent_bob!wifi | "senorpedro if there is one it will probably be linked here"22:20
ubottuAgent_bob: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:20
Agent_bob!wifi | senorpedro 'if there is one it will probably be linked here'22:21
ubottuAgent_bob: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:21
Agent_bob!wifi | senorpedro if there is one it will probably be22:21
ubottuAgent_bob: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:21
Agent_bob!wifi | senorpedro there is one it will probably be linked here22:21
ubottuAgent_bob: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:21
Agent_bobwhat happened to the bot ?     that's very un-ubotu like behaviour22:22
Agent_bob!botsnack | Agent_bob testing this22:22
ubottuAgent_bob testing this: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!22:22
Agent_bob!wifi | senorpedro 'if there * one it will probably be linked here'22:23
ubottusenorpedro 'if there * one it will probably be linked here': Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs22:23
Agent_bobhah,  it's keying on the word   'is'22:23
Agent_bobi would think that the pipe would have caused it to stop parsing,   it seems that it should have but doesn't22:24
* HighHo looks in the room, sees Agent bob tormenting the bot, then goes back to other things.22:25
Agent_bobit should treat "|" as if it were "| #" << OEF .* ;EOF22:25
Agent_bobHighHo i just found a bug in the new bot.22:25
dr_Willisfile a bug report.22:25
Agent_bobi'd have to register22:26
Agent_bobnot worth it.22:26
dr_Willisits amazing that with ktorrent i can grab some Disrto iso's at 1000+k/s :)22:26
dr_WillisKB/s :)  wonder if my isp will think im grabbing    videos again.. i NEVER get any other torrents near this fast.22:27
Agent_bobi only get 25x that disk>disk22:27
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dr_Willisonly Linux  ISO's  get torrent speeds this fast.22:27
Agent_bobmaybe it's because that's what torrent was built for ?22:28
Agent_bobbit-torrent i should say22:28
dr_Williscould be the high # of seeders on many Linux torrents.  :)22:29
dr_Williswhen ya got more seeders then leechers it helps. heh.22:29
Agent_bobagain "[use inteneded = use attempted] && high performance || ?"22:30
ahmoshi, can i install kde3 with kde4 on kubuntu 8.04 together22:32
Agent_bobi have seen people try to overhaul an engine with wire pliers, but they usually do better at bending/cutting wire with them.22:32
dr_Willisahmos,  yes you can.22:32
ubottuKDE 4.0.5 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.5.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde422:32
dr_WillisYou may end up with a lot of redundant icons in the menus for kde4 and kde3 apps..  Ive not messed with kde4 lately.22:32
dr_WillisIve heard kde4 has been making good progress lately -  you may not want to mess with kde322:33
dr_Willisor you may want to just insgtall specific kde3 apps22:33
Agent_bobor you may want to use twm22:33
dr_WillisI like 'jwm + rox22:34
ahmosthank u for the tips...and can i ask another question?22:34
dr_Willis You just did.. care to ask a 3rd?22:34
Agent_bobjwm - Very small lightweight pure X11 window manager with tray and menus22:34
Agent_bobwow. i had it already, just never got around to looking at it.22:35
dr_Willisthe jwm package. for some reason does not create a jwm.desktop file. so it dont make a entry in the kdm/gdm  sessions..22:36
ahmosmy sound device is marked in gray color and it iand os telling me it is not available,and there is no sound22:36
dr_Willisat least it dident used to.. it may been fixed by now.22:36
TrAndyHi all, this seems nasty on HH. 1.Boot into recovery mode; 2.lounch KDE3 and do nothing; 3.then normally reboot into 8.04 2.6.24-19-generic. Result is network down (must restart dbus to get it back) and if I connect a USB device it will be no more automounted (lsusb lists them correctly). Any clue where to look in the boot process to fix this?22:38
Agent_bobi'll have to down the rez  i can't read a thing in jwm22:39
Agent_bobdoesn't look like the fontsel is working.22:39
ahmosso any help dr_willis22:40
Agent_bobTrAndy i wouldn't look in the boot process,  i'd look in /tmp and $HOME  for bad ownership22:41
dr_WillisI know very little about troubleshooting sound problems.22:42
Agent_bobTrAndy you can try this,   exit kde, press ctrl+alt+f1  login   issue this command " sudo rm -r /root /tmp ;sudo mkdir -p /root /tmp ;sudo chmod 1777 /tmp ;init 6 "22:43
TrAndyAgent_bob: Do you think starting KDE3 from the recovery-mode's cli will change ownerships?22:43
helpthisnoobiei may be on my way to doing my 1st install22:44
ahmosok thank u alot22:44
Agent_bobTrAndy yep.22:44
TrAndyAgent_bob: OK, I'll get it a try.22:45
Agent_bobTrAndy if that's not sufficient to fix all issues  at any time/point issue this command "sudo chown $USER -R $HOME "22:45
Agent_bobTrAndy you should learn what each of those do, before you use them.22:45
Agent_bobNEVER blindly input commands you recieve on irc or any other source.22:46
Agent_bobman man    ;man rm    ;man mkdir    ;man chmod    ;man chown22:47
TrAndyAgent_bob: No problem, I'm aware of. Thanks. I must disconnect to try it now.22:47
Agent_bobk gl22:47
SpeSanyone has problems with nvidia 8600 GT and 4.1?22:48
SpeSagrh sorry, wrong channel :)22:48
Agent_bobThe minimum memory requirement for Ubuntu 8.04 is 384MB  <<< can that possably be true ?   i can run dapper in 32m  and the installer on the liveCD will work in 192m.   have they really went that far away from usable ?22:50
PhilRodAgent_bob: you know memory usage depends entirely on your usage pattern and how much swapping you can endure22:51
Agent_bobPhilRod http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/ubuntu/  <<< says 256m required for "other installation methoods"22:53
Agent_bobi'm hopeing they are intentionaly exagerating it.22:54
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Agent_bobPhilRod also as per your statement,  i don't use swap.22:55
Agent_bobMemory Used/Total Percent: 7/123 MB (5%)22:56
Agent_bobSwap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)22:56
helpthisnoobiei hope dats not true cause i want to install kubuntu 8.04 on my dell inspiron 1100  only 256 mb22:57
Agent_bobhelpthisnoobie i hope with you.   seems like they are taking the M$ approach to things, "they can buy new hardware if they want to use our woftware"    which i despise with perfect hatred.22:58
Agent_bobthree is no reason that the installer should take more ram each release.22:59
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helpthisnoobiethis is the 1st time i try a linux install of any kind23:01
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rysiek|plhi all\23:01
rysiek|pldoes KMail/Kontact keep e-mails that are being written in some temporary file? After writing a veery long and thought-through e-mail to my boss, after hitting "send", Kontact crashed. I would really love to be able to get it back...23:01
Agent_boband just because some have brand new computers to install it on.  is no reason to assume that all do,    some would like to use ubuntu linux simply because their hardware is "too old" for M$ crap now.    but i suppose that another distro is for those people.23:01
rysiek|plAgent_bob: I agree thoroghly, I don't get it why there are rising RAM requirements...23:02
Agent_bobrysiek|pl i think so.   does opening kontact not give you the option to recover it ?23:02
rysiek|plAgent_bob: I'd rather have the filed copied somewhere, just in case kontact "clears up the trash" after crashed sessions...23:03
JuJuBeeI have a filesystem problem.  Trying to open my vm, i get an error telling me /tmp is full.  I cleared it and still same error.  df shows /tmp is only 1024 ... Seems like this is a separate partition / slice?  df does not show that unless /tmp is in swap?23:03
ayayaiequelqu'un parle français ou bien c'est english mandatory?23:03
rysiek|plOoo... Myyy... Gooood...23:04
rysiek|plAgent_bob: yup, it worked! GOD I love FLOSS! :)23:04
Agent_bobrysiek|pl ok.  i'm not sure exactly where but some place in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/autosave   maybe ?23:04
rysiek|plAgent_bob: yup, fired-up Kontact and it's there, all nice and dandy23:05
rysiek|plAgent_bob: that actually calls for a celebration!23:05
* rysiek|pl celebrates!23:05
Agent_bobrysiek|pl i was thinking i had seen that before.23:05
Agent_bobJuJuBee sounds like permission on /tmp may not be "drwxrwxrwt" 1777  ?23:06
jabJuJuBee: which device is mounted to /tmp ?23:06
JuJuBeewhat would cause /tmp to be only 1 MB ?23:07
JuJuBeejab : overflow ?23:07
JuJuBee/tmp  is 77723:07
jabis there an entry in your /etc/fstab that mounts a device to /tmp ?23:07
Agent_bobJuJuBee hmmm    try    sudo umount /tmp   and see what it says\23:07
JuJuBeejab : not entry in fstab23:08
rysiek|plAgent_bob: just so you get the pun of the whole situation, this e-mail is about asking by boss to let me take one of our desktops (I work in a software R&D lab at Warsaw University of Technology) to the "Woodstock Stop" - a *huge* music festival organised by those guys - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Orchestra_of_Christmas_Charity23:08
Agent_bobjab it would more likely be in /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs23:08
JuJuBeedevice busy23:08
JuJuBeeactually /etc/init.d/mountoverflowfs23:09
JuJuBeethere is not mountvirtfs23:09
rysiek|plAgent_bob: the festival is very much along the lines of original Woodstock; there is, however, a special place there for NGOs, and one of the NGOs goes there to put a FLOSS/Linux stand up. So, basically, FLOSS saved a mail about spreading the FLOSS good word ;)23:09
JuJuBeeThat kind of makes sense.  My / got full.  I should reboot23:09
psycoIs ther anything I can use as Hamachi for KDE?23:10
* rysiek|pl stops the flooding. promise.23:10
Agent_bobJuJuBee grep /tmp /proc/mounts23:10
JuJuBeeoverflow /tmp tmpfs rw,relatime 0 023:10
JuJuBeeI cleard out / so I think it is time to reboot23:10
Agent_bobrysiek|pl :)23:10
ayayaiehello. i recently install kubuntu. In the login screen the keyboard send "à" key instead of "@". So i must start consol to login and then type startx. can some one help me please23:11
Agent_bobJuJuBee o.O23:11
JuJuBeeIve never seen o.0 what does  it mean?23:11
Agent_bobi'm at a loss why a ram fs would be mounted on /tmp23:11
JuJuBeeAgent_bob, looks like since / was full, it used RAM23:12
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Agent_bobwhy is / full ?23:12
Agent_bobdf -h23:12
JuJuBeeI was trying to backup something  and used the wrong path23:12
JuJuBeeI corrected it since, but have not restarted.23:13
Agent_boboh   heheh ok.  that'll do'r23:13
Agent_bobayayaie keyboard setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf   ?23:14
Agent_bobtalk about impatient23:15
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about hamachi23:15
Agent_bobpsyco idk.   sorry.23:15
psycook, I'll just use the terminal one23:16
Agent_bobpsyco if there is anything that contains that word in it's description you can search with " apt-cache search hamachi "23:17
Agent_bobbut it's out of my league, i don't even know what hamachi is/does23:17
psycoIts ok23:17
Agent_bobserious it wouldn't hurt to search the package database.23:18
Agent_bob!find hamachi23:18
ubottuFile hamachi found in linux-headers-2.6.24-16-386, linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic, linux-headers-2.6.24-16-openvz, linux-headers-2.6.24-16-rt, linux-headers-2.6.24-16-server (and 7 others)23:18
rysiek|pl!info hamachi23:18
ubottuPackage hamachi does not exist in hardy23:18
JuJuBeeAgent_bob : restart did the trick23:18
Agent_bobJuJuBee you didn't have to.  we could have dismounted /tmp   ;/23:18
JuJuBeeThat's ok.23:19
Agent_bob"reboot will fix anything" is an M$ concept  and often not applicable in linux23:19
JuJuBeeOther weird behaviors have been ocurring.23:19
JuJuBeeMy dual head setup works with kde3 but not kde4  AND my wifi is giving me trouble.23:20
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about reboot23:20
Agent_bob!wifi | JuJuBee23:20
ubottuJuJuBee: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs23:20
rysiek|plsee? linux doesn't even KNOW reboots23:20
Agent_bobthere is a trouble shooting section ^23:20
JuJuBeewifi docs dont help me23:20
rysiek|plJuJuBee: what card23:20
JuJuBeeMy kwifimanager sees my AP, but I cannot connect23:20
JuJuBeebuilt in to laptop23:21
JuJuBeewas working fine at a conf I just went to now cannot associate with home ap23:21
rysiek|plJuJuBee: ho-humm... "cannot connect" == ?..23:21
JuJuBeesee line 423:21
Agent_bobdon't know if that's small arms or festive fireworks,  but i better go see.23:22
JuJuBeeWill not associate with ap23:22
JuJuBeekwifimanager sees the network, but knetwork manager will not get IP23:22
evan__how do i install moodin and dekorator23:23
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rysiek|plevan__: sudo aptitude install ksplash-engine-moodin23:24
rysiek|plevan__: sudo aptitude install kwin-style-dekorator23:24
rysiek|plevan__: should also be available through Adept23:25
evan__rysiek|pl: adept is a strange program every time i select a program my screen turns vague for some seconds23:25
rysiek|plevan__: it's calculating dependancies, that takes time23:26
ublongatawhat package has AAC playback for gstreamer?23:26
rysiek|plevan__: I always prefer the terminal, anyway ;)23:26
evan__rysiek|pl: i have QtCurve by default23:26
rysiek|plublongata: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras should do the trick23:26
rysiek|plevan__: huh?23:27
evan__rysiek|pl: i try to install NuoveXT2 theme it needs latest qtcurve23:28
rysiek|plevan__: aand?..23:28
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evan__is the latest version of qtcurve installed after kubuntu instalation23:29
evan__rysiek|pl:  i mean by defautl23:30
rysiek|plevan__: I have no idea. check?23:30
rysiek|plevan__: find qtcurve's website, check wich version is the latest, and then check which one is on your kubuntu23:30
rysiek|plevan__: or, rather, just check which version the theme you want needs23:30
* rysiek|pl brb23:32
dr_WillisA theme that needs a theme?23:34
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kronomanwhen I try to check the integrity of the alternate 8.04.1 CD I get a error ACPI: Invalid PBLK length [5]23:42
kronomanthen lots of errors23:42
kronomanand then dies23:42
kronomanI have recorded the CD multiple times on 2 machines, and the md5sums match and the CD verifies OK when recording23:43
kronomanI also tried with 3 recorders and 1 reader23:43
kronomanusing LG DVD-RW, Sony CD-RW, HP CD-RW, and generic CD-R drives23:43
kronomanrecorded in 4X, 8X, nothing23:43
kronomanwhat happens?23:43
evan__how can i change the splash theme?23:44
rysiek|plevan__: why won't you check what you have in System Settings?23:44
kronomanBTW, this is not a laptop, seems that ACPI is related to laptop computers23:45
Odd-rationaleevan__: usplash? or the gnome splash screen?23:45
HazaEvening folks. Can someone recommend a good SQL query tool (that connects to a variety of DBS) that allows me to create a visual representation of table relationships? Kinda like what "Base" does in OPen Office23:45
rysiek|plOdd-rationale: I'd shoot ksplash theme ;)23:45
rysiek|plkronoman: nope. ACPI is related to all PC's, although laptops use it more extensively, and have more specific thingies23:46
rysiek|plkronoman: hence most of ACPI-related problems happen on laptops23:46
kronomanyou know, my problem goes that always I try to install linux, the CD install fails at some point23:47
kgxif im using dd to recreate a partition, am i supposed to see that mounted partition being filled with files in real time? dd is running but i can't see any files or change in size :(23:47
kronomanhappens me since mandrake 823:47
kronomanis like a curse on me23:47
kronomanon multiple machines, multiple distros, across time23:47
kronomanthe live CD will fail on me at some point23:47
kronomanI blame squashfs and the bad quality of drivers that reach here (south america023:47
rysiek|plkronoman: "drivers" or "drives"23:48
kronomanthe hardware thingy23:49
rysiek|pl"drives" :)23:49
psycholici keep getting this error every time i close my dophlin program23:49
psycholicUnable to save bookmarks in /home/timmy/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.23:49
psycholicmy hd is not full23:49
rysiek|plpsycholic: and the partition on which the file is located?23:50
psycholicand i'm not trying to save any book marks23:50
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rysiek|plpsycholic: what does this have to say: df -h /home/timmy/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml23:50
Githzpsycholic: If u opened dolphin with sudo might happen thing like that. Some config/temp files become root owned23:50
kronomanso... what can I do? I'm the only one with fails on live cds?23:51
psycholicnow i got this after i ran dolphin as root23:51
psycholici will check23:51
rysiek|plpsycholic: sudo chown -R jour_user:jour_group /home/timmy/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/23:51
kronomangoogling seems that is a Asus mobo with linux issue23:51
rysiek|plpsycholic: that should solve it23:51
kronomanI always used Asus motherb, here are the best you can buy without going bank broken23:52
rysiek|plkronoman: hmmm... try calculating the md5 sum of the iso, and the cd burned from it23:52
rysiek|plkronoman: if they differ, there was an error while recording23:52
kronomanI did already, they match23:52
kronomanalso I recorded with verify on using k3b23:52
kronomanand recorded on 2 different machines23:52
rysiek|plkronoman: and do they mach the md5sum on the website you downloaded the ISO from?23:53
kronomanI have a pile of CDs here ...23:53
kronomanyes, they do, I compared to the MD5SUM file on the kubuntu ftp23:53
psycholicchown: invalid user: `jour_user:jour_group'23:53
psycholicthats what it said23:53
evan__rysiek|pl: i need to acces a theme manager to change the style i cant find it , do you know where i can find it?23:53
kronomanI recorded kubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso, with md5 5de105f1e2acb0a7019a636c98454e0d23:53
rysiek|plpsycholic: read and understand the command I have given you23:54
kronomanand kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso, with md5 e0b9861df26c54acfd62bf35abe859f623:54
rysiek|plpsycholic: hint: YOUR_USER:YOUR_GROUP :)23:54
psycholici need to change user and group right23:54
psycholicyou beat me lol23:54
rysiek|plpsycholic: most probably the group name is exactly the same as username23:54
psycholici think it is23:55
psycholicthats what my CLI has right23:55
rysiek|plpsycholic: nope23:55
rysiek|plpsycholic: that's user@hostname23:55
rysiek|plpsycholic: the "groups" command will tell you your group, that will be the first name on the line23:55
* rysiek|pl goes23:57
rysiek|plcu all23:57
evan__rysiek|pl: has the theme manager to be installed first?23:57
rysiek|plevan__: I don't thinks so.23:57
rysiek|plabywhoo... bye.23:58
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evan__ bye23:59
psycholickeep saying chown: invalid user:23:59

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