[00:00] <_ricardo> using adept not work, are retaining qt4 packages, and inform error
[00:00] <Gustin> you should remove the old feisty lines if you added the hardy ones
[00:00] <vipex> Arhh i didnt found anything:S
[00:01] <Gustin> try aptitude, it is CLI
[00:01] <_ricardo> i have no fesity lines i have dapper (6.06)
[00:01] <Gustin> same difference
[00:01] <dwidmann_laptop> I've been having trouble with my intel 3945 wireless in hardy ..... seems sometimes (frequently) actual transmission speeds drop to about 100kbs (unacceptably slow), and I have to turn the wireless off, back on, and reconnect to the network to get "the speed" back
[00:01] <_ricardo> aptitude don't find the packages
[00:01] <Gustin> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[00:02] <Gustin> I just did a bunch of dapper to hardy upgrades (mostly all servers) without issue
[00:02] <ikonia> Gustin: is there not an "update-manager" tool in kde ?
[00:02] <Gustin> there may be, but I never bother
[00:03] <psyco> would anyone know why my glide wrappes just shows up as black?>
[00:03] <Gustin> I am an old Debian user, the GUI varients just annoy me :)
[00:03] <vipex> hey i got kubuntu how i ccan update itto ubuntu whats the shortest way? And easiest
[00:03] <Gustin> just install ubuntu-desktop
[00:03] <vipex> ok
[00:04] <Gustin> there is really no difference under the hood between Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Xubuntu
[00:04] <Gustin> you can in fact have them all installed at once
[00:04] <vipex> ubuntu is cooler
[00:04] <vipex> :D
[00:04] <Dr_willis_> Gustin,  not really.
[00:04] <Gustin> not IMO
[00:04] <Dr_willis_> the differances are just what part X uses for the desktop
[00:04] <Gustin> well the boot manager will change to the last one
[00:05] <Dr_willis_> The LOGIN manager can  be changed.
[00:05] <candive> vipex, start, system, adept manager
[00:05] <Dr_willis_> grub is the boot manager.  thats the same. The logo/screens can be changed also.
[00:05] <Gustin> I have XFCE, GNOME, KDE, and KDE4 all installed here
[00:05] <Gustin> I stand corrected, login manager
[00:05] <Gustin> usually one of kdm, gdm xdm
[00:05] <vipex> i have adpt manager opened now
[00:06] <candive> vipex fetch updates
[00:06] <Dr_willis_> I do find it best to use GDM if using gnome mainly, and kdm if using kde.
[00:07] <Gustin> kdm works just fine for me, for all of the desktop managers I have installed
[00:07] <vipex> candive: what then?
[00:07] <bobo> help getting copmiz features working
[00:07] <vipex> it did tht in 1minute
[00:07] <candive> is apply changes lit up?
[00:08] <ns8> #kibuntu-es
[00:08] <bobo> i have compiz working just cant get the cube effect working
[00:09] <candive> vipex, can choose apply changes or complete update
[00:09] <Maximilian212> Hi
[00:09] <Maximilian212> In my computer is a second hard drive with 240 GB ... how can I mount it?  I cannot see it in /media
[00:10] <Gustin> ls -la /dev/disk/by-id
[00:10] <Maximilian212> Gustin:  is this a solution for me?
[00:10] <vipex> candive: U mean version update?
[00:10] <Gustin> Maximilian212: it should tell you if the drive is detected
[00:11] <bobo> please can anyone help me get the effects working right
[00:11] <Gustin> bobo: I turn them off, so no I can't help :)
[00:12] <candive> vipex, yes it will update to the newest version if thats what you want or you can just update the existing distro
[00:12] <Gustin> Maximilian212: in kde an umounted drive also shows up in konqueror with media:/
[00:13] <Gustin> Maximilian212: what file system does this drive have?
[00:13] <_ricardo> it seems that work thanks
[00:13] <Maximilian212> Gustin: ntfs
[00:13] <vipex> candive: öhh sofull upgrade or version upgrade
[00:14] <bobo> is there another channel that might be able to help me
[00:14] <Gustin> Maximilian212: that probably explains why it is not auto mounted
[00:14] <candive> vipexn in answer to the update question. "complete Upgrade"
[00:14] <Gustin> Maximilian212: I added the following line to my /etc/fstab
[00:15] <Gustin> Maximilian212: UUID=F4F44487F4444E54   /opt/windows    ntfs-3g uid=gbjohnso,rw,user    0       0
[00:15] <vipex> here isnt any button whats called complete upgrade:D
[00:15] <Gustin> Maximilian212: of course you will have to get the UUID from /dev/disk/by-uuid and pick your own mount point
[00:16] <candive> vipex,  full upgrade
[00:16] <Maximilian212> ok it was /dev/sdb1
[00:17] <Maximilian212> now I only need to add it to /etc/fstab
[00:18] <Gustin> Maximilian212: I would use the uuid, this won't change, whereas if you add another drive, it might be sda
[00:18] <candive> vipex, ? where are you, Country??
[00:19] <candive> I am Canadian
[00:24] <vipex> candive :finland
[00:25] <martijn81> the Netherlands her
[00:25] <martijn81> here
[00:26] <vipex> can i have finland irc channel
[00:27] <BluesKaj> candive, molsons eh ? :)
[00:27] <candive> vipex, :) How is the update going? BluesKaj, aayyyyyyyyyy
[00:28] <candive> vipex, I do not know
[00:29] <candive> ubotto, fin | vipex
[00:30] <candive> !ubotto, fin |vipex
[00:30] <Githzerai> !fin | vipex
[00:30] <Jucato> !fi | vipex
[00:30] <candive> Githzerai, thanks
[00:31] <Githzerai> candive: Thank Jucato ;) I missed it also
[00:31] <candive> Jucato, thanks
[00:31] <Jucato> :)
[00:32] <vipex> candive: 30% loaded
[00:33] <candive> vipex, I must say it is very cool helping someone :) :)
[00:33] <vipex> candive : :D
[00:34] <vipex> candive, thx for helping
[00:34] <candive> vipex, my pleasure!
[00:34] <vipex> candive,:D
[00:34] <vipex> candive,im getting on this week new laptop:d acer aspire 5520:D
[00:35] <vipex> candive, this computer is 7 years old:D
[00:36] <candive> vipex, an old linux is better than a new w w windows. there I said it. :D
[00:37] <vipex> candive: ? why?
[00:37] <Gustin> faster
[00:37] <Gustin> more reliable?
[00:37] <candive> It was a joke that does not translate well
[00:38] <vipex> Ohh..
[00:38] <Gustin> I am only half joking :)
[00:38] <vipex> :D
[00:39] <candive> I'm not, I have the linux penguin drinking windows sucks more.
[00:39] <vipex> yh i know linux is faster but windows vista is cooler
[00:39] <vipex> so when my laptop come's i should install linux?
[00:40] <candive> vipex, your choice
[00:40] <Gustin> what he said
[00:40] <Gustin> and cooler?  Not in my opinion
[00:40] <Gustin> unless a 4GB windows folder is "cool"
[00:41] <Gustin> and a 30% IO penalty
[00:41] <vipex> O_o im not understanding what u are speaking about Gustin:D
[00:42] <candive> vipex, you can make linux distros act like and look like vista if that's what you want . it called Freedom of choice key word being Freedom
[00:44] <candive> vipex, a lot of people find vista a big headache because it takes a LOT of memory to run = slow
[00:44] <Rioting_pacifist> hey i was running ufo 2.3 (latest trunk) in gdb and it crashed but now my x doesnt respond to my mouse
[00:47] <BluesKaj> candive, update ?
[00:47] <Gustin> candive: I personally have found it slow
[00:48] <candive> BluesKaj, you want to update?
[00:48] <candive> Gustin, you have had vista?
[00:49] <Gustin> on my laptop and the GFs laptop, also my media PC came with it
[00:49] <BluesKaj> to what , candive ?
[00:49] <Gustin> all machines dual core
[00:49] <Gustin> 2 GB of RAM
[00:49] <Gustin> pretty sucky
[00:50] <Gustin> I do appretiate GNU/Linux even more
[00:50] <candive> BluesKaj, you addressed me and said "candive, update?"
[00:51] <vipex> in tht laptop what i buy'd have 4gb ram and dual core
[00:52] <candive> vipex, nice!
[00:52] <Gustin> on mine I have 2gb, even with 2 or 3 VMs running, it is still plenty of ram
[00:52] <beatriz> algien ke able español
[00:53] <BluesKaj> candive, let me quote: " How is the update going? BluesKaj, aayyyyyyyyyy"
[00:53] <Gustin> night all
[00:53] <vipex> candive, ty it was only 600euros:D
[00:53] <beatriz> algien ke hable español x aki
[00:54] <candive> BluesKaj, oh ok I answered two people on one line. I was responding to your canadian ehh!
[00:55] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm a canuck as well ..
[00:55] <candive> 600euros = ? Canadian dollars
[00:56] <candive> BlueKaj, province?
[00:56] <BluesKaj> n
[00:56] <candive> Ontario
[00:56] <BluesKaj> yup
[00:59] <vipex> us dollars something like 400?
[00:59] <candive> BluesKaj, I'm Ont too
[01:01] <candive> vipex, That is a deal
[01:01] <Agent_bob> howto find the mac address of a non-running box ?
[01:02] <Agent_bob> so i can start it
[01:02] <vipex> candive: i know
[01:03] <Agent_bob> don't all answer at once
[01:04] <beatriz> hola
[01:04] <beatriz__> hola
[01:04] <Agent_bob> !es | beatriz__
[01:05] <Agent_bob> !welcome | beatriz__
[01:05] <vipex> candive , almost done 99%
[01:05] <vipex> :D
[01:05] <candive> Agent_bob, I don't know
[01:05] <candive> vipex, good
[01:05] <vipex> thx for u
[01:06] <candive> vipex, its done?
[01:06] <Agent_bob> candive thanks for the reply,
[01:06] <vipex> yh
[01:06] <vipex> preparing...
[01:06] <tester_> When I am trying to install something on Ubuntu, and it suggests the /usr/local/whatever folder.  What path should i be using?
[01:06] <candive> np
[01:08] <tester_> Is it wanting /usr/share/something?
[01:08] <Dr_willis_> tester_,  from source.. /usr/local/whatever is a good idea
[01:08] <Dr_willis_> or /opt/
[01:09] <candive> vipex, occasionally you will notice a red ! top right monitor this is a tab you will need to click mouse on to install updates.
[01:09] <candive> vipex, it will notify you of updates
[01:09] <Githzerai> tester_: It is necessary to be somewhere in your $PATH if u wan't to actually start it...
[01:09] <tester_> Dr_willis, thank you.  I'm having trouble w/this install from source.  are you at all familiar with aprutil1?
[01:09] <vipex> wtf?
[01:10] <Githzerai> *want
[01:10] <candive> vipex, ?
[01:10] <Walzmyn> !apache
[01:10] <Dr_willis_> tester_,  never heard of it..
[01:10] <Githzerai> tester_: code link ?
[01:10] <Dr_willis_> tester_,  often you can give ./configure some optiuons as to where to install.   Other then that.. it depends on the app you are compiling
[01:11] <tester_> Dr_willis, ah.  thanks anyways : )  I'm trying to run .../apr-util-1.3.2$ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apr-util --with-apr=/usr/local/apr/ --with-dbm=db43 --with-berkeley-db    and its saying something is wrong with my --with-apr parameter
[01:11] <vipex> i push cANCEL?
[01:12] <candive> vipex, no
[01:12] <Dr_willis_> tester_,  i would think prefix would be /usr/local  it will most likely use some subdir in /usr/local
[01:12] <Githzerai> tester_: --with=
[01:13] <yuriy> tester_: libaprutil1 is in the repositories (don't know what aprutil is, but thought I'd point that out)
[01:13] <tester_> yuiry, thanks, i'm having to compile it with a module that got left out.
[01:13] <candive> vipex, 1 minute
[01:14] <candive> vipex, fetch updates
[01:14] <tester_> Dr_willis, i'm trying to follow the instructions at: http://www.techsww.com/tutorials/libraries/apr-util/installation/installing_apache_portable_runtime_utility_library_on_ubuntu_linux.php
[01:15] <Dr_willis_> is the proper stuff in /usr/local/apr/ allready?   try compiling with out the --with-apr perhaps... and see where it wants it
[01:15] <tester_> Dr_willis, i downloaded the most current version as well, instead of the version suggested
[01:15] <candive> vipex, back in 2 minutes
[01:15] <vipex> ITS PREPARING KDM
[01:15] <vipex> ETC
[01:15] <vipex> OK
[01:15] <tester_> Dr_willis, here is what it says: checking for APR... configure: error: the --with-apr parameter is incorrect. It must specify an install prefix, a build directory, or an apr-config file.
[01:16] <Dr_willis_> tester_,  i would think prefix would be /usr/local
[01:17] <Dr_willis_> try ./configgure without all the extra  options.. see if it likes that. perhaps.
[01:17] <tester_> Dr_willis, it is not having a problem with my prefix.  it is having a problem with the --with-apr=/usr/local/apr
[01:17] <tester_> Dr_willis, and I need the --with-apr= to fix my problem
[01:17] <Dr_willis_> I got no idea then. No idea what apr even is in this case.
[01:18] <aib_> i wrote a tutorial on how to maintain an ubuntu system that mixes packages between distributions. hope it helps someone http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/301004223931
[01:18] <Dr_willis_> aib_,  that a scary thing to be writing about. :)
[01:18] <tester_> dr_willis, its for use with apache, with authentication of password protected pages. DBDriver mysql will select the MySQL driver in apr_dbd_mysql.so.
[01:18] <aib_> true that, but it works well :)
[01:19] <tester_> Dr_willis, apr_dbd_mysql.so is not in the aprutil1 package as it should be.
[01:19] <Agent_bob> aib_ you probably don't want to try to get canonical to post that on the forums,
[01:21] <aib_> Agent_bob, i'm sure they don't want to provide support for it
[01:21] <aib_> i guess its possible to mess up your system, but if you are just getting updated packages like firefox, subversion, bash etc... its no big deal
[01:22] <aib_> in fact, i don't think its very dangerous
[01:22] <Agent_bob> aib_ no danger really    not unless data loss is a big deal to you.
[01:23] <candive> Dr_willis, I do it all the time, maybe I should'nt
[01:23] <candive> mix distros that is
[01:24] <aib_> yeah we have actually been doing this for a couple of years, except we would just manually download the .deb from the newer distribution
[01:24] <aib_> this just removes a bunch of headaches
[01:25] <aib_> Agent_bob, if you have legitimate worries about data loss please post them in the thread, otherwise, don't scare people off:)
[01:26] <Agent_bob> aib_ scare whom ?
[01:27] <vipex> candive , how i use now ubuntu?
[01:27] <vipex> i rebooted and it come again to kubuntu
[01:28] <candive> vipex, explain more what you want. I am NOT mocking you I am attempting to make translations easier
[01:28] <vipex> öhh
[01:28] <vipex> i installed ubuntu-desktop
[01:28] <candive> ok
[01:29] <vipex> and then restarted
[01:29] <candive> good
[01:29] <vipex> but how i can choose ubuntu
[01:29] <candive> vipex, who restarted tyhe computer or you?
[01:29] <vipex> me
[01:30] <candive> vipex, you do not need to restart unless you are instructed by your computer
[01:30] <vipex> ohh
[01:30] <vipex> so i install again?
[01:30] <candive> vipex, it should be selected by default
[01:30] <ImLiz> hi every1, I've booted to a live cd and run fsck on my windowsxp drive and it states that "There are differences etween boot sector and its backup. Differences: (offset:original/backup)? Is that normal???
[01:31] <vipex> But it didnt?
[01:31] <ImLiz> It gives me options 1)copy original to backup 2)copy backup to original 3)no action
[01:31] <candive> vipex, I believe you have updated, it will show "kubuntu" by default
[01:32] <vipex> yeah
[01:32] <vipex> but i want ubuntu desktop to use  its cooler than kubntu
[01:33] <aib_> here, I posted it in the Ubuntu forums http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=331  cya
[01:33] <candive> vipex, when you start your computer next time hit top left key "Esc" it will show all. choose the top one. eventually it will start faster by default.
[01:34] <vipex> ok
[01:34] <vipex> reboot now-->
[01:34] <candive> vipex, try to update again. start, system, Adept Manager
[01:35] <candive> vipex, then "Fetch Updates"
[01:35] <candive> Blink
[01:39] <Agent_bob> candive don't you hate it when that happens
[01:40] <candive> :)
[01:40] <candive> Agent_bob, it was not that long ago that was me
[01:41] <Agent_bob> root root
[01:46] <Agent_bob> pfft the ubuntu forums get so abused.    new thread  " sudo echo >> /etc/modules "     is a good example of bad advice
[01:46] <Agent_bob> besides the fact that that question would have been better fielded in irc
[01:47] <candive> Agent_bob, what is wrong with aib idea??
[01:47] <Agent_bob> aib ?
[01:48] <Agent_bob> candive sorry i didn't follow you there?   can you be more explicit
[01:48] <candive> Agent_bob, aib was talking about mixing distros. What are the drawbacks, instability??
[01:48] <Agent_bob> oh that aib_ idea
[01:48] <candive> yup
[01:49] <Agent_bob> yeah well you will find packages compiled against different libc6 and even glibc versions
[01:50] <candive> Agent_bob, would it cause os instability
[01:50] <Agent_bob> most of the time that would just error out and refuse to run.  but worst case senario one is poorly coded and actually runs.  then makes a libc6 call that is misinterpreted ....
[01:50] <vipex> candive , not working
[01:50] <vipex> im on kubuntu
[01:50] <candive> crap
[01:50] <candive> oh thats ok
[01:50] <Agent_bob> candive it most common issue caused is just broken package management.
[01:51] <ImLiz> I logged into kubuntu on my desktop using console login.... how do I get out of it???
[01:51] <candive> vipex, you are using kubuntu updated to the latest Ubuntu
[01:51] <Agent_bob> candive ?  <candive> oh thats ok <<< at whom ?
[01:51] <candive> Agent_bob, ok
[01:51] <vipex> ??????
[01:51] <vipex> huh
[01:52] <vipex> im using kubuntu updated to ubuntu?
[01:52] <candive> Agent_bob, sorry baby crying. "oh thats ok" directed to vipex
[01:52] <Agent_bob> ImLiz sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[01:52] <Agent_bob> candive ah.
[01:53] <candive> vipex, yes
[01:54] <ImLiz> Agent_bob: Thank you
[01:54] <soreau> cosmo: Did you get my pm?
[01:54] <vipex> candive , but i just installed ubuntu but  why the pc run kubntu always when i reboot
[01:54] <vipex> how i run the ubntu?
[01:54] <Agent_bob> >>><vipex> im using kubuntu updated to ubuntu?<<<  the word "updated" seems so out of place there,  even though i understand what he is trying to say.   *ubuntu is ubuntu  ;/
[01:55] <Agent_bob> vipex logout and log back in with the gnome session      select it at login time.
[01:55] <vipex> fuck
[01:55] <candive> Agent_bob, what am I missing with vipex? please
[01:55] <vipex> -------
[01:55] <vipex> im loosing my mind!
[01:55] <vipex> cant
[01:56] <vipex> I CANT agent_bob
[01:56] <Agent_bob> candive i'm hoping just a pebcak  ?
[01:56] <candive> vipex, Breathe
[01:56] <Agent_bob> vipex cant what ?
[01:56] <Agent_bob> can't log out ?
[01:56] <Agent_bob> can't choose session ?
[01:56] <vipex> yeah
[01:56] <Agent_bob> can't what ?
[01:56] <ImLiz> One question, how do I run fsck in maintenance mode???
[01:56] <vipex> choose session
[01:57] <Agent_bob> vipex at the login screen ?
[01:57] <vipex> y
[01:57] <ImLiz> or rather how do I get to maintenace mode so that I can run fsck??
[01:58] <Agent_bob> ImLiz if you need to fsck the root fs you have to remount it ro   and when you are done with the fsck, reboot.    anyother fs   just umount it and  add -f to the fsck command
[01:58] <Agent_bob> ImLiz "maintenace mode"    runlevel one ?
[01:59] <Agent_bob> candive i'm expecting vipex to come back all happy he's in gnome now.....
[01:59] <candive> Agent_bob, was that my fault did I give bad instructions??
[01:59] <candive> ok
[02:00] <Agent_bob> candive no.
[02:00] <candive> Agent_bob, good
[02:00] <Agent_bob> like i said just a "pebcak"
[02:00] <candive> pebcak??????????
[02:00] <Agent_bob> some say pebkac  same thing
[02:00] <ImLiz> Agent_bob: I'm not sure if runlevel one... I was told to run fsck in maintenance mode after kubuntu PANIC
[02:01] <candive> Agent_bob, what did I miss?
[02:01] <Agent_bob> well runlevel one would be safest for that.   but you do have to      mount -o remount,ro /    first.
[02:02] <Agent_bob> candive nothing.   are you paranoid ?
[02:02] <Agent_bob> candive but he should be back about now....
[02:02] <ImLiz> Agent_bob: sounds complicated I don't want to mess it up further lol
[02:02] <Agent_bob> unless he rebooted in place of logging out...
[02:03] <candive> Agent_bob, no I'm not imagining it :D
[02:03] <Agent_bob> ImLiz three commands.
[02:03] <Agent_bob> candive lol
[02:05] <ImLiz> "# mount -n -o remount, rw/" I was given that.... that's all one command then?
[02:06] <Agent_bob> ImLiz i'll spell them out.      1.  sudo init 1  # this one takes you to runlevel one.  root console.    2.  mount -o remount,ro /  # this one makes the root file system readonly so you don't break something.    3. fsck -f /dev/hda1  # you will have to substitute the exact inode where i put hda1, could be sda5  or what ever.    then just three fingure salute it when it's done.
[02:08] <Agent_bob> candive he must have rebooted...   poor guy.
[02:08] <candive> Oh Ohh
[02:09] <candive> its a windows thing
[02:09] <Agent_bob> yeah
[02:09] <Agent_bob> "reboot will fix anything"  M$ DOS 1o1
[02:09] <candive> even linux???
[02:10] <candive> lol
[02:10] <Agent_bob> hehhe
[02:10] <Walzmyn> how in the devil do you make a symlink?
[02:10] <Agent_bob> Walzmyn ln -s /path/to/file  linkname
[02:10] <candive> thats for you Agent_bob
[02:10] <Agent_bob> that  ^  ?
[02:11] <Agent_bob> Walzmyn man ln   has more details
[02:11] <candive> never mind darn dry humor
[02:11] <AxMstrL1> anyone know why the ubuntu hardy repositories haven't updated to the latest wine?
[02:12] <Agent_bob> AxMstrL1 repos don't update to new versions.  only backports will get new versions
[02:12] <Agent_bob> !latest
[02:12] <candive> I knew it!!
[02:13] <Agent_bob> !worksforme
[02:13] <AxMstrL1> indeed.  I'm not sure that wine 1.10 is better than 0.9x but I know there's been a lot of flux there.  Just assuming it is.
[02:13] <Agent_bob> !wine | AxMstrL1
[02:14] <Agent_bob> !AppDB
[02:14] <Agent_bob> !Windows
[02:14] <AxMstrL1> yeah.  i've been checking it out.  My success with it has not matched the database thus far
[02:15] <Agent_bob> AxMstrL1 mine either  ;/
[02:16] <Agent_bob> +bug/1  hehhe
[02:16] <AxMstrL1> i'm sick of running vmware  :P
[02:16] <AxMstrL1> ready to buy a mac pro :D
[02:17]  * AxMstrL1 wishes KDE4 was more stable
[02:18]  * Agent_bob doesn't use a GUI
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[02:18] <AxMstrL1> heh!  my wife almost killed me when I made ubuntu the default OS.
[02:19] <AxMstrL1> i would be dead if there was no X
[02:19] <candive> vipex, where Did he Go?
[02:20] <rhubarbe> AxMstrL1: if you track the beta verions, the errors go away and new ones appear, just when you least expect it / havent saved. its way more fun
[02:21] <AxMstrL1> well, if we avoid it they'll never stabilize it, right?  Gotta give back...
[02:21] <AxMstrL1> ... at least for a few days
[02:22] <Agent_bob> if enough people use emacs will that make it an os ?
[02:22] <AxMstrL1> some would argue yes
[02:22] <Agent_bob> heh some would,  no doubt
[02:23] <AxMstrL1> but they'd clearly be barking up the wrong tree because vi is the one true editor.
[02:23] <Agent_bob> !startaneditorwar
[02:23] <AxMstrL1> lol
[02:23] <candive> hehe
[02:23] <Agent_bob> bah there used to be some cute little  "joe is better than emacs"  comments there
[02:23] <rhubarbe> so er... why do people use emacs?
[02:24] <Agent_bob> caue they can
[02:24]  * AxMstrL1 dons his "professional" hat and plugs Slickedit.
[02:24] <Agent_bob> cause
[02:24] <Agent_bob> cooledit
[02:24] <rhubarbe> I mean sure, having an adventure game in your text editor is kinda cool, but it seems to do *everything*  but *badly*
[02:24] <Agent_bob> vi
[02:24] <Agent_bob> vim
[02:24] <Agent_bob> vim-improved
[02:24] <Agent_bob> nano
[02:24] <Agent_bob> joe
[02:24] <Agent_bob> mc -e
[02:24] <Agent_bob> emacs
[02:25] <Agent_bob> ed
[02:25] <Agent_bob> ooops maybe not ed
[02:25] <candive> I like this irc, informal unless its busy
[02:25] <AxMstrL1> slickedit = ed version 2^10
[02:25] <Agent_bob> heck i just ues echo to edit files.
[02:25] <rhubarbe> *is going to do that now, just to confuse shoulder surfers
[02:26] <minhaaj> hi, my ubuntu would ask password twice when i login.
[02:26] <candive> one for wireless?
[02:26] <Agent_bob> sed + tr + echo + cat    full featured text editing made ....  err ummm.... well...
[02:26] <rhubarbe> just to check, twice at the log in screen? or does one appear much later, as a popup?
[02:27] <AxMstrL1> do you have any sudo'ed auto-launching in your profile?
[02:27] <vipex> woot its working /ubuntu/ but i m using kubuntu cos this is easier
[02:27] <Agent_bob> "possable"
[02:27] <kwtm> Can Kmail delete IMAP email (e.g. 200 spam messages) without insisting on downloading them and moving them to Trash?  In other words, is there a "Delete, and NOT move to Trash" option?
[02:27] <sean_> Hello i am using Xubuntu Gutsy and i just downloaded Kwrite. There is no spellchecking functionality for english. I even downloaded aspell but i have no idea how to integrate it?
[02:27] <candive> minhaaj, one is probably for your wireless
[02:27] <sean_> how do i get any spellchecking to work?
[02:28] <hasan> hi guys
[02:28] <candive> vipex, youre back
[02:28] <rhubarbe> minhaaj: I think the consensus is "do you mean twice on the big login screen, or is it a popup when you can see the desktop"
[02:28] <hasan> i want to add a shortcut key for find in kubuntu
[02:28] <Agent_bob> kwtm not that i know of.   for that i would use web browser.    assuming they support web mail
[02:29] <minhaaj> login screen
[02:29] <hasan> in 7.04 it was possible to find in regional & accessibility keyboard shortcuts
[02:29] <Agent_bob> hasan khotkeys  ?
[02:29] <hasan> but now i cant find it
[02:29] <minhaaj> hasan you can figure hotkeyes in keyboard shortcuts in system settings
[02:29] <Agent_bob> or is that kde4 hasan ?
[02:29] <rhubarbe> minhaaj: did you do anything that may have triggered this behaviur?
[02:29] <hasan> probably
[02:30] <hasan> it's kde4
[02:30] <hasan> im a novice kubuntu user
[02:30] <hasan> i try to set a win like environment
[02:30] <Agent_bob> !kde4 | because only the bot knows hasan
[02:30] <kwtm> Agent_bob: Thanks for confirmation.  Will try web interface.
[02:30] <hasan> ok
[02:30] <Agent_bob> kwtm welcome
[02:30] <sean_> How do i spellcheck with kwrite?
[02:30] <hasan> but i cant find "Find" entry in command shortcuts tab
[02:31] <minhaaj> nope rhubarbe
[02:31] <vipex> candive, candive thx for u ubuntu works but kubuntu is nicer:)
[02:32] <rhubarbe> minhaaj: there were some minor updates of Xorg about a week ago, could it have been that?
[02:32] <candive> vipex, I know its cool
[02:32] <vipex> candive, it is?:D
[02:32] <ImLiz> Agent_bob: when I typed "sudo init 1" kubuntu froze when stopping all processes
[02:32] <rhubarbe> minhaaj: also is there anything weird in your startx, init, or anything scripts that you have to do other stuff?
[02:32] <rhubarbe> minhaaj: like that you might have added
[02:33] <candive> vipex, I use kubuntu because I like it best
[02:33] <minhaaj> well it might be etc/pam.d/common-auth error
[02:33] <minhaaj> i am reading a forum post about it
[02:33] <vipex> candive , yh u r right:D And it much easier to use:P
[02:34] <candive> vipex, sorry my Canadian slang is causing misunderstandings
[02:35] <vipex> candive , thats okay i understand very well:)
[02:35] <minhaaj> fixed rhubarbe  thanks for trying :)
[02:35] <minhaaj> had to add a couple of lines to pam/common-auth
[02:35] <candive> vipex, I had the same response the first time I tried Ubuntu
[02:35] <vipex> candive , :D
[02:36] <minhaaj> now i have another problem. my ubuntu won't start with a clean session. it loads programs and firefox at start
[02:36] <minhaaj> maybe i have saved the last session settings
[02:36] <minhaaj> how do i get a clean session each time ?
[02:36] <vipex> candive, i think im going till to bed , time is here 4:36 am:D
[02:36] <vipex> C ya later
[02:36] <vipex> and thank you
[02:37] <candive> vipex, It will take some time to get use to all Ubuntu distros. It took me approx 6 months using dual boot to switch completely
[02:37] <candive> nite
[02:37] <vipex> nite
[02:38] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  When I change the desktop icon for Gimp and then restart my computer it changes the icon back to what it once was.  Any ideas?
[02:40] <rhubarbe> kde4?
[02:40] <rhubarbe> Ertain?
[02:40] <Ertain> No, it's in 3.5
[02:41] <rhubarbe> try again?
[02:41] <rhubarbe> :(
[02:43] <rhubarbe> night all
[02:43] <Agent_bob> !all
[02:43] <candive> funny
[02:43] <Ertain> Figures.
[02:43] <Agent_bob> !seen all
[02:44] <candive> Ertain, is there a save option
[02:44] <ds_null> is there a kubuntu live cd...and if so ca i get a link?
[02:44] <Ertain> What do you mean, candive?
[02:44] <candive> funnier
[02:45] <all> all is not on line  but i can hijack his nick
[02:45] <Ertain> Sure, here you go ds_null --> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[02:46] <Ertain> For some odd reason I change the desktop file to some other icon and when I reboot it uses the previous image.
[02:46] <candive> Ertain, when you change the icon is there an apply or save
[02:46] <Ertain> Yeah, I save it.
[02:47] <ds_null> thanks eratain, i missed that part
[02:47] <candive> Agent_bob, is foolin around again mom
[02:48]  * all will notice
[02:48] <candive> Ertain, ask Agent_bob. I dont know
[02:49]  * all knows not
[02:49] <candive> really?
[02:49] <all> really.    i might venture a guess or two though
[02:50] <all> one. don't own the file cause you ran knoq with sudo and hosed perms .... solution  "own your home"      two some sort of vesta like bug has invaded kde.... O.o
[02:51] <all> ignore the second one...
[02:51] <all> !ownyourhome
[02:52] <all> ssorel pinging all can be dangerous
[02:52] <ssorel> I was just saying hi
[02:52] <ssorel> Geez.
[02:52] <candive> Jason MMS is that you?
[02:54] <all> Ertain you "could" open a konsole and run "konqueror "  in it then use that konq window to change the icon and watch the konsole to see if anything errors at you.
[02:54] <candive> all, you blinked
[02:55] <all> no i was typing...
[02:55] <all> his nick tab completed when i started but he left before i hit enter
[02:55]  * all types slow
[02:55] <all> all is good
[02:56] <all> all is well
[02:56] <all> all is out
[02:57] <candive> the names in the right column are they all on irc now?
[02:58] <Pici> 286 people here, many idling.
[02:58] <intelikey> candive all are connected clients
[02:58] <intelikey> most are probably not man'd
[02:58] <candive> intelikely, Pici, thanks
[02:59] <intelikey> at least two are bots
[02:59] <candive> servers??
[02:59] <intelikey> !bot
[02:59] <intelikey>     bot  ^
[02:59] <intelikey> ro  bot   scripts
[02:59] <candive> I know about ubotto
[03:00] <intelikey> !!
[03:00] <candive> sorry ubottu
[03:00] <intelikey> i'm not sure how to trigger the other one.
[03:00] <candive> !xubuntu
[03:01] <intelikey> ok three
[03:01] <intelikey> :)
[03:02] <poon> for some reason my server box is refusing connections on port 6667 (IRCd), all other ports for my clients servers work, but I cant seem to get that port working. I've tried stopping my shorewall firewall and whatnot, forwarding the port on my router on top of DMZ, with no luck :/ can anyone assist me?
[03:03] <candive> time for me to go, goodnight
[03:03] <poon> I've never encoutered an issue such as this
[03:03] <intelikey> ubuntulog say hello
[03:03] <intelikey> thats not it..
[03:03] <poon> :P
[03:04] <intelikey> poon i have used irc for several years but never setup a server    sorry
[03:05] <poon> well the server's setup, its just a port issue
[03:05] <intelikey> iptables -L | grep 6667
[03:05]  * poon tries
[03:06] <candive> !irc server
[03:06] <intelikey> but that will not reviel if it's accept or drop or log....  it will only show if it's specified
[03:06] <Pici> !freenode
[03:07] <intelikey> there's a thought.   asking an ircop to help you sort it out...
[03:08] <intelikey> oh and one other thing.   that will not be kde specific   so you could ask in #ubuntu as swell
[03:08] <Moonstorm> i'm looking for mod_write apache2 module.  it does not appear to be in the repositiores.  am i missing it?
[03:08] <candive> chow
[03:08] <poon> yeah i imagined that, but in #Ubuntu theres just so many people asking questions i was ignored
[03:09] <poon> hrm, intelikey, its not returning anything
[03:09] <intelikey> poon yeah patience is hard to keep in there.
[03:10] <poon> lol how true
[03:10] <intelikey> poon you could check with ##linux    some network admins hang there a lot.
[03:10] <poon> intelikey, how would I add a port with iptables?
[03:10] <poon> ok
[03:11]  * intelikey forgot everything he ever learned about iptables as soon as he got his server working...
[03:12] <intelikey> Moonstorm i'm not seeing it either.
[03:12] <intelikey> !find mod-write
[03:12] <intelikey> pfft.
[03:12] <Moonstorm> whaaa !?!?!?
[03:13] <intelikey> !find apache2-mod-write
[03:13] <intelikey> ok it didn't turncate the name...
[03:13] <zipper> ?? wireless
[03:14] <intelikey> !wifi
[03:14] <zipper> ty
[03:14] <intelikey> np
[03:14] <Moonstorm> does ubuntu do wildcard searches?
[03:14] <Moonstorm> er, ubottu
[03:14] <intelikey> don't think so
[03:14] <Moonstorm> :(
[03:14] <intelikey> !find *
[03:15] <intelikey> !find .*
[03:15] <intelikey> regex expansion works  heh
[03:15] <intelikey> !find .*mod-write.*
[03:16] <intelikey> that settels that.
[03:17] <intelikey> 24k packages... that's almost as many dirs as this box has
[03:17] <intelikey> i could hide one package in each dir and.....  never mind.
[03:20] <Pici> Moonstorm: Do you mean mod_rewrite? because I'm pretty sure thats in the default apache2 install
[03:21] <Pici> a2enmod rewrite should work
[03:21] <intelikey> !find .*mod-rewrite.*
[03:21] <intelikey> !find mod-rewrite
[03:22] <intelikey> maybe write is there too </shrugs>
[03:22] <ixeman> como accedo para el español
[03:22] <Moonstorm> Pici: it's not.  yes, i need mod_rewrite for clean urls
[03:22] <mr---t-> !es
[03:25] <Pici> !find mod_rewrite | Moonstorm
[03:25] <Pici> !find mod_rewrite
[03:26] <Pici> I need to run, but good luck
[03:26] <athena18> hi i new
[03:26] <athena18> where would i find a list of repositories (and alternates).
[03:27] <athena18> I not new to linux but fairly new to kubuntu (i have tried it out likely to stay now that I have a faster machine
[03:27] <Moonstorm> hrm, i have gallery2 installed as well ...
[03:27] <athena18> the problem is that he set the repositories as Canadian. They are notoriously slow. If i had a list of the repositories I could set them back to New York
[03:28] <Moonstorm> ubuntu-moto?
[03:28] <Moonstorm> thx Pici
[03:28] <athena18> the wiki did not seem to have the information
[03:28] <athena18> neither did the obvious information
[03:29] <athena18> if you are not comfortable giveing me the alternates, just the normal kubuntu one would be very helpful
[03:29] <intelikey> !find mod_write
[03:30] <athena18> please everything i downloaded just crashed
[03:30] <mr---t-> !repos
[03:30] <athena18> thank you so much
[03:30] <athena18> i know how to set them up---just need the list
[03:30] <Moonstorm> Pici: found it
[03:30] <intelikey> !find apache2_mod_write
[03:30] <Moonstorm> need to load it
[03:31] <intelikey> !repos | athena18
[03:32] <intelikey> oh i shouldn't drop in and out of channel like that... sorry.
[03:32] <mr---t-> intelikey:  your late on the keys
[03:35] <intelikey> mr---t- yeah, i'm busy.
[03:36] <mr---t-> still looking for that package eh
[03:37] <intelikey> me ?   no.   i checked  "q apache2 | grep write"  and was finished looking for it.  just let the bot check a few times....
[03:38] <intelikey> q being a quarry script for searching for packages...
[03:38] <mr---t-> o cool
[03:38] <epimeth> whats with this 8.04.1 thing?  a regular update/upgrade will suffice if I've already installed 8.04, right?
[03:39] <kaj> hey gents, i need a command to remove /tmp/.X0-lock. That's the message I'm getting at the prompt after trying to restartX  after installing some new ati graphics drivers ...already tried reconfiguring xserver-xorg
[03:40] <intelikey> mr---t- basicly it does    INFO="`apt-cache -n search "$@"`"   then parses the var  if it's empty it drops the -n and retries if there are matches it formats the output and dumps it in less for me
[03:41] <epimeth> kaj: sudo rm /tmp/.X0-lock
[03:41] <intelikey> kaj so rm the file
[03:41] <intelikey> as per epimeth
[03:42] <kaj> aha rm, forgot about that ...must be getting late ..been a long and frustrating day
[03:48] <OzoneNerd> One more question, Fryguy, in C/C++, one can make block comments like this, */ comment */,  Can/How does one do the same in BASh?
[03:48] <intelikey> #
[03:49] <intelikey> # this is a comment     until end of line
[03:49] <intelikey> #
[03:49] <OzoneNerd> but you can't end that comment within a line, is it possible to end the comment within the line?
[03:49]  * mr---t- even he knew that one
[03:49] <intelikey> no.
[03:49] <OzoneNerd> that's what I meant, srry for ambiguity.
[03:49] <OzoneNerd> thankyou*
[03:50] <intelikey> you could use the null command tho
[03:50] <intelikey> command 1 ; : some comment ; command2
[03:50] <mr---t-> hes gone
[03:50] <intelikey> yeah.
[03:50] <intelikey> that's now what he wanted anyway.
[03:51] <intelikey> and it's not the safest thing to do.
[03:51] <intelikey> you can change the null command
[03:51] <intelikey> :(){ echo ; }
[03:51] <intelikey> for example.
[03:53] <athena18> hi I back with another question. I have used KDE for close to two years, but only with synaptic package manager. I hate adept (i
[03:54] <athena18> I am sorry to say, I know the command is close to apt-get synaptic, but i dont have it quite right.
[03:54] <athena18> and it wont get through. Can anyone tell the the correct command please
[03:55] <athena18> my problem is when i use adept I tend to crash the machine due to conflicts within a few weeks
[03:55] <looneytr> Is there an easy way to e-mail all the users on a system?
[03:56] <athena18> im looking for the apt-get command i need to add synaptic to my system
[03:56] <athena18> help please
[03:56] <intelikey> sudo aptitude install synaptic
[03:56] <athena18> thank you
[03:56] <intelikey> or apt-get if you prefer
[03:57] <intelikey> "same differance"
[03:57] <athena18> i will try the apt get...i know it better but thanks. It does explain a lot
[03:57] <athena18> will it tell me when i need updates the same as if i used adept (in its own way of course)
[03:57] <intelikey> looneytr good question.    Mail may have a function for that   idk.
[03:58] <intelikey> athena18 the update notifier will tell you,  and you can use synaptic to fetch/install them  of course
[03:58] <looneytr> Yeah a perl script will do but I figured someone has run into this before. Thanks anyway. I will check into mail
[03:59] <intelikey> not mail  Mail  it's a command
[03:59] <athena18> sorry for the lack of punctuation---canadian billingual keyboard---a friend installed this particular system for me...but i dont know it---although i should learn it
[03:59] <intelikey> using is learning in linux  :)
[04:00] <intelikey> Q. what do linux users do ?
[04:00] <intelikey> A. why, they install software, of course!
[04:00] <mr---t-> intelikey:  while it's slow what's it mean when you see someone log on to irc as root?
[04:01] <intelikey> mr---t- in most/some cases means they are running the irc client as root
[04:01] <looneytr> Not a good idea in the world of IRC
[04:01] <intelikey> but in some cases (like mine) it means they have set the irc_user to root to hide their username
[04:02] <athena18> thank you.Synaptic is now loading. and (besides an older computer) this was the main problem I ran into
[04:02] <intelikey> security by obscurity is only affective to a certain degree tho.
[04:02] <intelikey> welcome
[04:03] <athena18> further question.  I would like a firewall similar to how zone alarmn worked
[04:03] <intelikey> (older computer)    how old ?
[04:03] <athena18> in windows.
[04:03] <athena18> I know this is usually not needed but I deal with some sensitive information.
[04:03] <athena18> it was a top of the line in 2001 or 2002
[04:04]  * intelikey doesn't do windows.   so doesn't know zone alarm
[04:04] <intelikey> athena18 oh that's not old.   i thought you meant old
[04:04] <intelikey> athena18 when we talk old computers we talk C64 genera
[04:05] <intelikey> or 8086
[04:05] <mr---t-> timex sinclair
[04:05] <athena18> I havent in years either. It told you whenever something went in or out on the net and you approved or didnt approve it. Not calling home and it kept track of how many things it had booted. It also had an immediate lock if you got concerned about something funny going on...which saved my bacon once
[04:05] <DarthFrog> PDP-8
[04:05] <intelikey> mr---t- that too
[04:05] <athena18> those are firewalls
[04:05] <athena18> unfortunately guide dog just doesnt do it
[04:06] <athena18> well it was old enough that it was slow on Kubuntu
[04:06] <intelikey> !firewall
[04:06] <athena18> and ran much better on simplyMepis
[04:06] <athena18> now i no longer need to worry about it
[04:06] <mr---t-> guarddog and firestarter are the only two I have seen
[04:06]  * intelikey ran a p1 with kubuntu on it...
[04:07] <athena18> i do not know enough to configure the IP tables myself and guarddog is not sufficient---if i want to be able to download any of my mail
[04:07] <intelikey> got rid of it last year
[04:07] <athena18> i would never have had the patience---although i was running a p2 until it broke last year
[04:07]  * mr---t- a little slow on the keys
[04:07] <athena18> (i had gone through a succession of p2s) they became very hard to find on the market
[04:08] <intelikey> there's a script    quick-tables   i think it is.  might be maintained.
[04:08] <mr---t-> yeah but he doesn't use a gui
[04:08] <athena18> no gui---you are on command line only
[04:09] <mr---t-> that how he rolls
[04:09] <intelikey> me ?   yeah no GUI here most of the time.... although i do have kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop icewm fvwm blackbox fluxbox all installed
[04:09] <athena18> well no wonder you can run things on a pentium one! I can do some command line interface but i dont want to use it day by day
[04:09] <athena18> i used non gui when i was in university
[04:10] <intelikey> athena18 i didn't say that'  i said i ran kubuntu on the p1.
[04:10] <intelikey> that implies kde too
[04:11] <athena18> ok i didnt learn IRC (it was something i missed) . OK i thought you were using KDE. How do i direct a comment at one person Q
[04:11] <intelikey> it took a little tweeking from default of course    it only had 64m ram and 610m hdd
[04:11] <athena18> well i tweeked windows 98 quite effectively for a while years ago.
[04:11] <athena18> tweeking windows 3.1 was easier
[04:12] <intelikey> prepend their name   and it will highlight them   or /msg them   but that's not welcome by all.
[04:12] <intelikey> athena18 this highlights you.
[04:12] <intelikey> this doesn't
[04:13] <athena18> Q prepend
[04:13] <mr---t-> put first
[04:13] <intelikey> "I can do some command line interface but i dont want to use it day by day"  <<< i'm that way  with the pointy clicky thingy
[04:13] <athena18> ah ok intelikey i get it
[04:14] <athena18> although we may be on opposite sides in terms of day to day usage...or maybe not. Ive forgotten quite a lot of command line stuff i knew. I still have a book on UNIX that would work find that is based on command line
[04:15] <athena18> (intelikey) hello am i talking to you Q
[04:15] <intelikey> yep
[04:16] <DarthFrog> athena18: No, just the nick, no parentheses or brackets.
[04:17] <DarthFrog> Fer instance, type "Darth" and hit tab. :-)
[04:17] <intelikey> with out the quotes
[04:17] <DarthFrog> Once the name is filled in, type your brilliancy. :-)
[04:18] <mr---t-> or type d and hit tab until darthfrog comes up and so on...
[04:18] <DarthFrog> Oh yeah, as intelikey points out, no quotes either.
[04:18] <K350> Hi!:) I'm new to Linux and Kubuntu. I would like to know how I can make a progrma autostart at system startup?
[04:19] <DarthFrog> K350: This isn't really going to help you, but put it in the file /etc/rc.local.
[04:19] <DarthFrog> rc.local is the Unix equivalent of autoexec.bat.
[04:20] <K350> Aha, thank you very much for that information!:)
[04:21] <DarthFrog> K350: Is this program a system-wide one or a personal one that you want executed as you login to KDE?  the answers are different.
[04:24] <K350> uh...it's Conky
[04:24] <DarthFrog> Do you mean Konqueror?
[04:24] <K350> No, Conky conky.sourceforge.net
[04:25] <DarthFrog> If so, then put it in /home/K350/.kde/Autostart
[04:25] <K350> it's a progrma that shows system information
[04:25] <DarthFrog> Sorry, don't know conky.
[04:25] <DarthFrog> Ah.  Autostart, then.
[04:26] <K350> aha..okay..I'll try...
[04:27] <flaccid> good ol conky :o
[04:28] <K350> I guess I've to make a shortcut then....
[04:28] <DarthFrog> Nope.
[04:28] <K350> no?
[04:29] <DarthFrog> Put a script that launches it in the Autostart directory.
[04:29] <K350> err..should I move it form´/usr/bin to autostart?
[04:29] <DarthFrog> i.e a "bat" file. :-)
[04:29] <DarthFrog> NO!!!!
[04:29] <K350> aaaah
[04:29] <K350> okay a small bash scritp or something...
[04:29] <DarthFrog> Exactly.
[04:29] <K350> or uh..bash script right?
[04:29] <DarthFrog> Correctomundo.
[04:30] <K350> ooookay!
[04:30] <K350> I'll try...
[04:30] <flaccid> !autostart
[04:30] <DarthFrog> Yeah, that works too.  Much the same as a shortcut. :-)
[04:31] <DarthFrog> Probably simpler, too. :-)
[04:31]  * DarthFrog rarely goes for the simple solution.  Things should be challenging! 
[04:31] <DarthFrog> :-)
[04:31]  * DarthFrog is challenged everyday.
[04:33] <flaccid> in kde4 there is an Autostart frontend in system settings which is nice.
[04:34] <DarthFrog> There is?  W00t!
[04:34] <flaccid> yeah its in Advanced tab
[04:34] <tuxwulf> Ok ... how does it fit together: KDE3, KDE4, plasma. What is which?
[04:34] <DarthFrog> Does it automatically make the symlinks via drag 'n drop?
[04:34] <flaccid> kde3 is kde3, kde4 is kde4 and plasma is part of kde4
[04:35] <K350> DarthFrog: Thanks a lot. it works great now!:)
[04:35] <DarthFrog> Plasma is a re-think of the desktop idiom.
[04:35] <tuxwulf> flaccid > So, is it possible to run KDE4 with something other than plasma?
[04:35] <DarthFrog> K350: Yer welcom, bud.
[04:35] <tuxwulf> DarthFrog: ... what does 'desktop idiom' mean?
[04:35] <DarthFrog> tuxwulf: Probably not yet.
[04:35] <kaj> my Xserver is not good, the screen looks like the horizontal ctrl is out of range..like on the old analog tvs fro the 60-70s
[04:36] <flaccid> tuxwulf: did you ask this yesterday? the answer is no, but you don't have to run plasma. you could kill it and just run kicker or something so in theory its kind of a yes
[04:36] <DarthFrog> tuxwulf: As OS/2, Win95 _ad nauseum_, Mac OS and KDE3 do it.
[04:36] <flaccid> DarthFrog: no drag/drop but 'add program' button
[04:37] <tuxwulf> flaccid > no, I did not ask this yesterday, but yesterday I did discuss something else, raising these questions
[04:37] <DarthFrog> That works.  Drag 'n drop might be more elegant|intuitive|familiar.  :-)
[04:37] <flaccid> tuxwulf: yeah sounded familiar... you ask it a little bit different but yeah thats the situation. its flexible enough
[04:37] <flaccid> DarthFrog: you could raise a feature request
[04:38] <DarthFrog> flaccid: AFAIK, there is no kicker in KDE4.  He'd have to run the KDE3 kicker.
[04:38] <kaj> guess the ati proprietary driver was a mistake but I couldn't remember which driver was being used as the 'default restricted'
[04:38] <flaccid> DarthFrog: correct
[04:38] <DarthFrog> flaccid: I don't care enough. :-)  It was just an idle thought.
[04:38] <tuxwulf> flaccid > Please allow the simpleton that is me to check the following against your expertise: Plasma runs on KDE, KDE runs on X, X runs on linux. Would that be a correct statement?
[04:38] <intelikey> kaj all "restricted" are proprietary
[04:38] <Githzerai> DarthFrog: No kicker, but plasma-panel is there ;)
[04:39] <DarthFrog> tuxwulf: Corrrect.
[04:39] <flaccid> tuxwulf: pretty much. in essence plasma is just another application
[04:39] <flaccid> there is a few more layers there but you got the ordering correct
[04:39] <tuxwulf> Whooopeee! Thanks!
[04:39] <DarthFrog> Githzerai: I'm not yet in love with plasma-panel yet.  It isn't as configurable as I liked in kicker. :-)
[04:40] <intelikey> DarthFrog that "might" come with time...
[04:41] <kaj> well intelikey  the latest and greatest upgrade did in my happy little setup ...now i have no screen, samba or google earth ...the kubuntu dev guys ought to be more careful before trey this crap out on us trusting souls
[04:41] <DarthFrog> tuxwulf: Linux runs the hardware.  X  is the graphical presentation system.  KDE is the operating environment (or desktop, if you prefer) that make X usable.  Plasma is a way of interacting with KDE.
[04:41] <intelikey> can you use things like    [ some test ]  in case loops as  identifiers )  ?
[04:41] <DarthFrog> KDE4, that is.
[04:41] <flaccid> kaj: welcome to free software :) perhaps we can help to fix
[04:41] <DarthFrog> intelikey: Well, it has to let me re-order the icons, resize the panel, at a start. :-)
[04:42] <DarthFrog> i.e. let me get it back to the way I had kicker.
[04:42] <Dr_willis> and Plasmids are those weird powerups in BioShock. :)
[04:42] <Githzerai> Dr_willis: :)
[04:42] <intelikey> DarthFrog heh.   maybe that feature will come in time.
[04:42] <DarthFrog> One can only hope.
[04:42] <Dr_willis> ANd aparently - the KDe guys coudent come up with a better name. :)
[04:42] <intelikey> and rant
[04:42] <intelikey> one can do that too
[04:43] <intelikey> <-- proficient
[04:43] <Dr_willis> Ranting is a RIGHT! :)
[04:43] <DarthFrog> Plasmoids. :-)
[04:43] <kaj> flaccid:  I'm on irssi cuz i have no working X , the ati driver that I installed is the wrong one (altho it was recomended on the site for my card)
[04:43] <DarthFrog> Hey, if you've got nothing to complain about, you can't be happy.
[04:43]  * Dr_willis pumps some ADAM into his Desktop for enhanced Plasmids.
[04:44] <DarthFrog> Plasmids are the DNA fragments that bacteria interchange as a substitute for sex. :-)
[04:44] <Dr_willis> Oh to be a Bacteria!
[04:44] <intelikey> DarthFrog says who ?      i'll streighten that guy out.   just who is he?    i'll show him....
[04:45] <markos_> Hello Everybody
[04:45] <tuxwulf> DarthFrog: Understood -- about the plasma to linux explanation, that is, not the sex thing you mentioned just now...
[04:45] <markos_> Which is the lenguage do you speak?
[04:45] <markos_> Ah ok.... English
[04:45] <DarthFrog> intelikey: :-)
[04:45] <mr---t-> !english
[04:45]  * kaj wonders why canonical decided to forgo the the vesa driver oprion in the xserver-xorg config 
[04:45] <kaj> err option
[04:45] <kaj> in hardy
[04:46] <markos_> Hardy?
[04:46] <markos_> wow... are u talking about sex?
[04:46] <intelikey> kaj idk   install xserver-xorg-driver-vesa   and try it
[04:46] <Dr_willis> markos_,  plasma/plasmids/plasmoids. :)
[04:46] <DarthFrog> markos_: Hardly
[04:46] <DarthFrog> :-)
[04:46] <mr---t-> just bacterial sex
[04:47] <tuxwulf> So now we have to install anti-bacteria programs?
[04:47] <markos_> how can i just go into #kubuntu-es
[04:47] <markos_> please
[04:47] <DarthFrog> Bacteria don't have sex.  Which is why I kinda doubt Dr_willis's comment.
[04:47] <intelikey> conjagation ?
[04:47] <tuxwulf> Like anti-virus on Win, we have bacteria in linux..?
[04:47]  * mr---t- has a rubber coated keyboard
[04:47] <markos_> i repeat, How can i go into #kubuntu-es?
[04:47] <markos_> i don't know to use that program yet
[04:47] <mr---t-> !es
[04:47] <intelikey> markos_ /join blah
[04:47] <DarthFrog> markos: type "/join #kubuntu-es"
[04:47] <markos_> ah ok
[04:47] <markos_> thank u
[04:47] <flaccid> kaj: that was debian
[04:48] <markos_> thank u so much, i am in, already
[04:48] <DarthFrog> Said the bishop to the actress.
[04:48] <flaccid> kaj: do you need help fixing something?
[04:49] <intelikey> knight to queens rook four
[04:49] <DarthFrog> Ewwe, descriptive!  Algebraic, please.
[04:50] <DarthFrog> If anyone cares, according to Slashdot, Hans Reiser has led authorities to the grave.
[04:50] <intelikey> so anyone know if tests can be done in    case   identifiers ?     [some test])
[04:51] <mr---t-> who what?
[04:51] <DarthFrog> mr---t-: If that made no sense to you, you don't care. :-)
[04:52] <mr---t-> must be in a different part of the world than here
[04:52] <intelikey> guess not.     i'll test to see (pun intentional)   ;/
[04:53] <DarthFrog> Where is here?  Hans Reiser was a Linux file system developer.
[04:53] <kaj> intelikey:  looking for oprenad destination file
[04:53] <intelikey> mr---t- think rieserfs to catch up with DarthFrog
[04:54] <intelikey> not exactly  but close enough.
[04:54] <mr---t-> research?
[04:54] <intelikey> it looks like i'll have to double loop it anyway
[04:54] <kaj> anyway, tired now ..sacktime
[04:55] <DarthFrog> goodnight, sweet prince.
[04:58] <intelikey> maybe an extended if statement would be better in this case than case
[05:03] <flaccid> !ot
[05:03] <flaccid> heh
[05:03] <K350> Is it somehow possible to skip the login prompt/window so that I cna login directly witotu enterign username and password?
[05:03] <mr---t-> DarthFrog:  that happened on the left coast and I don't follow any thing but local news
[05:04] <DarthFrog> K350: Yes.
[05:04] <intelikey> why the Krap is   dirs is a shell builtin  ?
[05:05] <DarthFrog> K350: Explore "System Settings"
[05:05] <flaccid> K350: login manager in system settings
[05:05] <flaccid> this channel is kubuntu support, idle discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:05] <K350> login mng in sys settings okay I got it ..thaNKS A LOT!:)
[05:06] <flaccid> np
[05:06] <intelikey> left coast   heh.
[05:07] <intelikey> K350 did you find the "gui" way to get there ?
[05:07] <DarthFrog> intelikey: I'm in British Columbia.  Here we call it the Wet Coast. :-)
[05:08] <intelikey> gold coast  :)
[05:08] <intelikey> i may like the left coast as a discriptor better though
[05:09] <intelikey> does kde still write in /root ?
[05:10] <intelikey> or have they fixed that yet ?
[05:11] <Dr_willis> ive never noticed it doing writing in /root
[05:13] <intelikey> rm /root -r and restart it  :)
[05:13] <DarthFrog> Why would that be a problem?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> I keep my porn in /root :) where it belongs..
[05:14] <intelikey> cause /root is root's default home.  user space apps should not be accessing it.
[05:14] <intelikey> but beyond that,  even if you move root out of /root it still uses /root   "and if"
[05:14] <DarthFrog> but does it write in it, other than recreate it after you've removed it?
[05:15] <intelikey> though no one would dare...    you login to kde as root then it stores all roots settings in /root reguardless of where root lives.
[05:15] <intelikey> imo  that's wac
[05:15] <DarthFrog> I may be confused but you seem to be battling your way upstream against the Unix way stream.
[05:15] <flaccid> apps will access /root when apps run under root mode
[05:16] <intelikey> DarthFrog gdm doesn't do that  why does kdm ?
[05:16] <intelikey> flaccid they shouldn't if root doesn't live there.
[05:16] <intelikey> only kde is hard coded to use /root   gnome isn't
[05:16] <intelikey> blackbox isn't
[05:17] <intelikey> fluxbox isn't
[05:17] <intelikey> need i go on.... ?
[05:17] <DarthFrog> But, but ... /root is the Unix way. :-)
[05:17] <intelikey> DarthFrog linux is not unix
[05:17] <DarthFrog> Just as /home is the user data directory.
[05:17] <dennister> hey channel, anyone ever see black smoke coming out of a cpu/heatsink combo before?
[05:17] <intelikey> DarthFrog not my users
[05:18] <Dr_willis> dennister,  only when i spilt the soda in the case
[05:18] <dennister> heheh...i knew about cpus overheating, but i'd never seen it before
[05:18] <flaccid> intelikey: um, example krusader root mode...
[05:18] <DarthFrog> intelikey: Linux is a pretty damn good Unix.
[05:18] <flaccid> thus why the style looks different as it uses root's profile
[05:18] <intelikey> flaccid you missed the point.
[05:18] <DarthFrog> dennister: That's the magic smoke.  If you let it out, the hardware doesn't work any more.
[05:19] <intelikey> move root.  let root live in say  /new_dir  and it still uses /root   not /new_dir
[05:19] <DarthFrog> intelikey: So what?
[05:19] <intelikey> DarthFrog so that is M$ mentality.
[05:20] <flaccid> intelikey: what is your point?
[05:20] <DarthFrog> If you're that fussed, "sudo chmod 700 /root.
[05:20] <intelikey> DarthFrog just do it the way we say.   you don't need to control your computer let the programers do it for you...  it "just works"
[05:20] <Dr_willis>  /me thinks this ranting is getting dull.
[05:21] <flaccid> yeah well user homes are readable by other users by default so a 700 can be handy
[05:21] <intelikey> DarthFrog perms make no diff   and besides i keep root's home  chmod'd 0000
[05:21] <dennister> now i'm trying to find out why...background: ms-6309 mobo, p3-733 MHz cpu, when turned the power would shut off almost immediately, so I cleaned heatsink/fan, put some more thermal grease on cpu, and it would still shut down
[05:22] <Dr_willis> dennister,  a few years back - there was a bunch of counterfit capaciters being sold and put on motherboards.    Or it could just be old age. :)
[05:22] <dennister> so i thought: power supply, replaced it with my very good Enermax EG301P (more pwoer than needed, but tested working beautifully on more demanding systems), turned it on, and it stayed on all right, with black smoke
[05:23] <intelikey> dr_willis dull indeed.    i only asked if they had fixed/changed it in the hardy release
[05:23] <DarthFrog> intelikey: Have you filed a bug report?  It may be a "feature".
[05:23] <Dr_willis> yep - dull.
[05:23] <dennister> Dr_willis: yes, I heard of that, but the more powerful ps wouldn't have caused it to overheat, would it?
[05:24] <DarthFrog> dennister: No.
[05:24] <Dr_willis> dennister,  Hmm... No idea.. could be  it was the final straw.
[05:24] <dennister> didn't think so...k, that's been eliminated as cause
[05:24] <Dr_willis> could be all the twiddling around with it made somthing else finally die.
[05:24] <intelikey> flaccid my point. that kde and kdm in particular are hard coded to write in /root  reguardless of where root actually lives. or who logs in.
[05:24] <intelikey> DarthFrog the kde crew don't consider it a bug,  they did it on purpose.
[05:24] <DarthFrog> dennister: A more powerful ps would be _capable_ of delivering more power, if the circuitry needed it.  If you have a short circuit, well all bets are off.
[05:25] <dennister> DarthFrog: ok, short circuit from what?
[05:25] <dennister> on the mobo?
[05:25] <DarthFrog> intelikey: Then it's unlikely that behaviour will be changed.
[05:25] <intelikey> dennister cable ribon upside down on a drive
[05:26] <Dr_willis> given how complex these mb's  are these days.. im amazed that any of them work. :)
[05:26]  * DarthFrog is with Dr_willis on that!
[05:26] <Dr_willis> I think ive seen some that are 6+ layers.. proberly more then that now a days.
[05:26] <DarthFrog> What with capacitive coupling and quantum tunnelling and all that. :-)
[05:26] <intelikey> DarthFrog one can only hope that they at least make it dynamic rather than hard coded
[05:27] <dennister> intelikey: well that's not the case...unless i've forgotten how to do a floppy drive, lol
[05:27] <DarthFrog> intelikey: File a feature request and make your arument.
[05:27] <DarthFrog> argument.
[05:27] <intelikey> dennister floppy cable is the first place i'd look
[05:27] <intelikey> unplug it and test
[05:28] <DarthFrog> When was the last time any of us used a floppy?  I've not done so in years.
[05:28] <intelikey> today
[05:28] <DarthFrog> CD-R has replaced floppies.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Floppy disks make great coasters.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> and Cheap Ninja Throwing stars! :)
[05:28] <intelikey> cdr can't replace floppy,  you can't rewrite a cdr
[05:28] <DarthFrog> intelikey: Really?  No wonder you're fussed about /root.  (grinning, ducking and running)
[05:29] <intelikey> DarthFrog yes really.
[05:29] <bobo> whats going on peoples
[05:29] <intelikey> all my boxen have fd0 and some fd1 5.25's
[05:29] <intelikey> bobo  d'nada
[05:29] <DarthFrog> Oh my.  5.25" floppies.  Now that's ancient.
[05:30] <dennister> intelikey: floppy cable check...it's fine & properly attached
[05:30] <intelikey> dennister ok  you looked at cd/dvd  hd cables too ?
[05:30] <dennister> so that leaves the mobo or the cpu/heatsink connection
[05:30] <bobo> i use an old tape drive but no floppies
[05:30]  * DarthFrog had a single-sided 5.25" 180K floppy disk back in the day. It held my Ph.D. thesis.  I thought I'd never be able to fill a 180K disk. :-)
[05:30] <dennister> intelikey: just hd cable so far...already checked those...ok
[05:31]  * Dr_willis thinks DarthFrog  is older then dirt.
[05:31] <DarthFrog> dennister: Disconnect everything and try again.
[05:31] <DarthFrog> Dr_willis:  well, I never rode a dinosaur.  But my father did. :-)
[05:32] <Dr_willis> Is your Social Security # in Roman Numerals?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:32] <intelikey> dennister a dead card plugged into a board will cause short circute condition too   we used to get all kinds of dead boxen that lightning had killed,   pull the modem out and power it up ....
[05:33] <tony403> anyone know a picture viewer that has the controls of vista's viewer? scroll zooms and out, click to move the picture when zoomed, and views files in a directory?
[05:33] <dennister> DarthFrog: doesn't it have to be the cpu/heatsink connection or mobo?
[05:33] <dennister> intelikey: no modem or pci cards at all yet...just an ati vc
[05:33] <DarthFrog> Dr_willis: I remember giving dictation to a scribe, who was chiselling heirogplypics into a clay tablet.  He asked me, "Is virile spelled with one testicle or two?"
[05:33] <DarthFrog> heiroglypHics
[05:33] <DarthFrog> :-)
[05:33] <Dr_willis> DarthFrog,  now thats old.. :)
[05:34] <mr---t-> Dr_willis: they don't have ss numbers in canada do they?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> That was some hard clay also...   Better if they used cut reeds and wet clay.
[05:34] <DarthFrog> dennister: Well, if you disconnect everything, you isolate it down to those components, no?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> mr---t-,  thy proberly got RFID tags embeded in everyones backsides. :)
[05:34] <mr---t-> lol
[05:34] <DarthFrog> mr---t-: Yes, we do.
[05:34] <mr---t-> which
[05:34] <intelikey> tony403 those features sound common enough.   not sure what all can do that tho
[05:35] <Dr_willis> well bye all...
[05:35] <mr---t-> rfid or numbers
[05:35] <intelikey> gview ?
[05:35] <intelikey> lets see   kfax ?
[05:35] <dennister> DarthFrog: yes, i know, and everything was disconnected a few minuts ago for cleaning...i just didn't want to fire it up again (even without drives, etc. in case i got more smoke
[05:35] <tony403> intelikey, i've tried a few, one does one but not the other, kind of aggravating
[05:36] <DarthFrog> dennister: I rather expect you'll be buying a new CPU/mobo/RAM in the next day or so.
[05:36] <intelikey> tony403 hmmm    if i was a gui user i might know...   but alas.
[05:36] <mr---t-> Im out too nite all.....zzzz
[05:37] <dennister> DarthFrog: i've got tons of all those things at the moment already...i have about 15-20 systems here that have been donated and I refurbish
[05:37] <bobo> how do i share files with another kubuntu machine
[05:37] <DarthFrog> bobo: Open Konqueror and enter "smb:/" as the URL.  Do you see the other machine?
[05:38] <dennister> so i'm not panickiing or anything, i just like finding out why things happen so it doesn't happen again
[05:38] <Odd-rationale> bobo: easiest way would be to set up an ssh server and use the fish:// protocol
[05:38] <DarthFrog> fish:// rocks!
[05:38] <bobo> ok
[05:38] <bobo> got it
[05:39] <dennister> and yes, isolating stuff is a big part of the "why"...you guys in here have seen so much I like to get other ideas/opinions
[05:39] <flaccid> fish is legacy protocol now really, its a pseudo protocol anyway
[05:40] <DarthFrog> flaccid: yeah but it works wonderfully.
[05:40] <flaccid> bobo: so you can either do samba or ssh
[05:40] <flaccid> DarthFrog: so does sftp :)
[05:40] <bobo> i got samba
[05:40] <DarthFrog> flaccid: What is the replacement for fish://
[05:40] <DarthFrog> ?
[05:40] <bobo> it works
[05:40] <Odd-rationale> why use samba to share between linix machines... :)
[05:40] <flaccid> sftp is seen to be preferred
[05:40] <DarthFrog> Odd-rationale: Cuz it works better than NFS.
[05:40] <flaccid> Odd-rationale: in case a windows machine comes a long i guess and yeah its better than nfs
[05:41] <Odd-rationale> i c, i don't think about having window machines come along... :P
[05:41] <DarthFrog> flaccid: Is sftp a KIO?
[05:42] <flaccid> nah its a real protocol for ssh. where is fish is implemented by kde only (plus about 2 other implementations).. its not on much besides kde
[05:43] <DarthFrog> So the deprecation is because fish is KDE only?
[05:44] <flaccid> well its not technically deprecated but ssh/sftp is more standard. only kde can do fish client (plus 2 other implementations)
[05:44] <flaccid> i don't think ubunt users can fish with gnome
[05:45] <DarthFrog> AFAIK, if the remote machine is running SSH, fish works.
[05:45] <DarthFrog> Why should an ssh protocol care about anything graphical?
[05:46] <DarthFrog> I *think* I've used fish to upload to a server in the past.  use webdav now.
[05:46] <flaccid> im talking client side DarthFrog
[05:46] <DarthFrog> flaccid: Ah. So when in Gnome, do as Gnome does. :-)
[05:47] <flaccid> or just sftp on every OS. you can use fish still of course, im sure it will continue to be supported and the kio slave is probably pretty damn stable. its a simple protocol anyway which is good
[05:48] <DarthFrog> Not too mention the convenience.
[05:48] <flaccid> why is it more convenient than sftp?
[05:48] <DarthFrog> Which is the point.
[05:48] <DarthFrog> Cuz it's a KIO-slave.  Drag 'n drop in Konq.
[05:49] <flaccid> what would you be dragging and dropping sorry?
[05:50] <DarthFrog> Umm, open a split window in Konq.  One is your home directory, the other is fish://<fileserver>, drag 'n drop between the two panes.
[05:51] <[The_Oracle]> is there a utility I can use to set my NTFS hard drives to automount upon bootup ? Thanks
[05:52] <flaccid> DarthFrog: thats the same as using sftp:/ in konq..
[05:52] <flaccid> [The_Oracle]: disks and filesystems in system settings
[05:52] <DarthFrog> flaccid: So it is a KIO_slave?
[05:52] <DarthFrog> [The_Oracle]: /etc/fstab
[05:52] <flaccid> DarthFrog: probably is in kde's case yeah
[05:52] <flaccid> before i was talking in general, not kde only
[05:52] <DarthFrog> [The_Oracle]: Not a utility, but it's where automounting is done.
[05:53] <[The_Oracle]> ok, so I can have a GUI if I log into gnome? Cool!!
[05:53] <flaccid> yes gnome is a gui?
[05:54] <dennister> hmmm...fired it all up , with no connectors or cards...seemed fine...started connecting one by one (different vc this time; only change), still all fine...no smoke...took heatsink combo apart...zero signs of scorching or damage
[05:55] <DarthFrog> flaccid: OK.  A general solution does have its uses, agreed.  But when a localised solution, such as KIO_slaves, work wonderfully when one is in that local environment, I'd rather use the superior local solution.  Unless the general solution works equally as well in  the local situation.
[05:55] <DarthFrog> [The_Oracle]: This is the wrong place to ask about GNOME.  Go to #ubuntu for that.
[05:55] <flaccid> DarthFrog: give sftp a try in konq, its much the same behaviour
[05:55] <dennister> but it's not booting into bios
[05:55] <[The_Oracle]> I was in KDE
[05:57] <dennister> flaccid: i finally did get samba to work with the xp home floppy, btw :-) and it does need the wins server enabled on the samba server
[05:57] <dennister> oops...not floppy, laptop
[05:57] <DarthFrog> dennister: Not booting into BIOS?  You have an ... unusual definition of fine.
[05:57] <flaccid> dennister: nah you do not require wins but ok
[05:58] <dennister> flaccid: well I listened to you, and didn't enable it, but when I finally did enable wins server, it worked
[05:59] <DarthFrog> dennister: Really?  Well, we all know Windows networking is bizarre.
[05:59] <flaccid> dennister: thats because you have no local dns server and normal nmb resolution was probably not working but could of been fixed
[05:59] <DarthFrog> I prefer to keep my bizarre explanation. :-)
[05:59] <flaccid> nmbd out of box does nmb broadcast for resolution without the need for a wins or dns server
[06:00] <dennister> DarthFrog: ordinarily I would suspect mobo is dead when i can't get into bios...and i still think this mobo might be, but I'm still cheerful
[06:00] <flaccid> i run 1 local dns server and no wins server. so resolution here is done primarily with dns only
[06:00] <dunas> Is there a way to merge the contents of two folders with the same name in Kubuntu 8.04?
[06:00] <[The_Oracle]> can we run Compiz under a VM? it never offers me nvidia drivers
[06:00] <flaccid> dennister: i can't even remember your problem etc. heh
[06:00] <dunas> Dolphin pretty perpetually wants to overwrite.
[06:00] <DarthFrog> dennister: Would you not get the same result from a fried CPU?
[06:01] <dennister> flaccid: nmbd? i usually use the dns servers in the routers, with the ISP's dns servers also mentioned
[06:01] <DarthFrog> dunas: Rename one of the folders first.
[06:01] <flaccid> dennister: yes. this is for resolution of LAN clients, not hosts on the internet...
[06:01] <flaccid> LAN != WAN
[06:02] <dennister> DarthFrog: of course...u must think i'm totally stupid, lol...that's what i'll be determining next: cpu dead or mobo dead?
[06:02] <dennister> and that's a question i can determine with some normal swapping
[06:02] <asobi> ever since i got ff3 beta 4, my dictionary extension no longer works
[06:02] <DarthFrog> dennister: No, I don't think you're stupid.  I've had blinkers on myself. :-)
[06:03] <asobi> should it reside in the extensions folder?
[06:03] <karthik> hello every one i want to know how to change KDE to GNOME
[06:03] <flaccid> !puregnome
[06:03] <dennister> as I said, i'm lucky i have so many other mobos and cpus here for this kind of testing...and that's a big part of what I do...test to see if the stuff works
[06:03] <DarthFrog> dennister: I'd be careful about swapping.  Putting a good CPU into a fried mobo is a good way to fry the CPU.
[06:03] <asobi> also, klipper no longer works either :/
[06:04] <dennister> DarthFrog: that's why i'll be using possibly-dead cpus first :-) i have 3 here that didn't work with another mobo (but then I eneded up junking the mobo itself)
[06:05] <DarthFrog> dennister: I'll leave things in your obviously capable hands. :-)
[06:05] <dennister> oh shoot...they're amd cpus...will risk 1 p3 then
[06:06] <dennister> i've got 6
[06:06] <DarthFrog> dennister: Well, if it were me, I'd put your CPU into a known good mobo, rather than the converse.
[06:06] <dunas> DarthFrog: That's not really helping, sadly. Sorry. The problem is, I'm trying to move a Materials folder from a downloaded file to my Counter-Strike Source file, so that the new files enter the Materials Folder but the new folder doesn't completely overwrite the old, and there's a lot of files to move.
[06:07] <purpleposeidon> Is there a list anywhere of super-compatible hardware? I want to build a new computer.
[06:07] <dennister> DarthFrog: good idea...will take ur advice
[06:07] <DarthFrog> dunas: You're wanting to merge the contents of the files?
[06:08] <DarthFrog> dunas: Or add the files to a directory?
[06:08] <purpleposeidon> !hardware
[06:09] <purpleposeidon> ubottu: Why thankyou, ubottu, you are so helpful! :D
[06:09] <dunas> DarthFrog: Merge the contents, yes.
[06:09] <dennister> scratch that...can't because it looks like all my p3 mobos are slot 1 style...don't have any other p3 mobos with the socket 370
[06:09] <purpleposeidon> More intelligent then anybody else in here. >_>   <_<    o_o   :P
[06:09] <DarthFrog> dunas: Good luck.  i know of no other way to do that than file by file manually.
[06:09] <DarthFrog> Tho' I'm sure there are other solutions.
[06:10] <dennister> at least the slot 1 mobos were probably from before the bad-capacitor era, heheheh
[06:10] <DarthFrog> dennister: I would suspect that slot 1 caps would be drying out by now. :-)
[06:11] <dennister> caps? they dry out?
[06:11] <DarthFrog> dunas: "cat file1 file2 > file3" would work.
[06:11] <DarthFrog> dennister: Yep.  Takes a while, fortunately.
[06:12] <DarthFrog> And depends upon the cap technology employed, of course.  Paper caps don't dry out.
[06:12] <dunas> DarthFrog: Through the terminal, you mean?
[06:12] <dennister> i've got an asus p2 board here, with original cpu...still going strong
[06:13] <DarthFrog> dunas: That's where the power is.  Hehehehehe, (evil grin).
[06:13] <flaccid> can you guys talk about hardware somewhere else im getting  headache :o
[06:13] <tuxwulf> so up until KDE4 kicker was started instead of plasma?
[06:13] <flaccid> tuxwulf: pretty much
[06:13] <intelikey> does this work http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d375a9abd ?
[06:13] <flaccid> well thats how it is with kde3
[06:13] <dennister> hehehe@flaccid
[06:13] <DarthFrog> dennister: So do I.  A testbed machine.  Asus P2B-DS with dual slot-1 P3-700's.
[06:14] <dunas> DarthFrog: Still plenty of work for something Windows can do automatically, mind you. ;) I'll keep looking for a solution that's a little faster, just because it's a lot of files and even then that'd take a lot of time.
[06:14] <DarthFrog> flaccid: But, but,... it's fun!  :-)
[06:14] <dennister> i reacently was given an intel dual slot1 p3 server board :-)
[06:15] <dennister> i haven't tested it yet...but the donor knows her hardware...i think she must be a sys admin
[06:15] <flaccid> guys this is chan is kubuntu support
[06:15] <DarthFrog> dunas: Don't take my word as the be-all and end-all.  I don't know of a solution but that doesn't mean there isn't a solution.
[06:15] <dennister> flaccid: ok, ok...L-)
[06:16] <K`zan> Anyone have any idea how to fix this:
[06:16]  * DarthFrog tucks his tail between his legs and says, "I shut up now".
[06:16] <K`zan> xvoutput: No XVIDEO port found which supports YUY2 images.
[06:16] <K`zan> *** tvtime requires hardware YUY2 overlay support from your video card
[06:16] <dennister> how's this? p3's are great for quiet kubuntu machines....don't require heavy duty ps's or case fans
[06:16] <K`zan> tmia
[06:16] <tuxwulf> Cool. It's nice when the penny drops.
[06:16] <tuxwulf> Thanks flaccid!
[06:16] <tuxwulf> And DarthFrog
[06:16] <dennister> :P
[06:17] <dunas> DarthFrog: Well, thanks for trying to help. :)
[06:17] <dennister> #will now shut up
[06:17] <DarthFrog> dunas: As usual, answers are free, correct answers are $10.  Dumb looks are still free.
[06:21] <dennister> +++++++++++++++++++++++++
[06:26] <dennister> ok, that was the cat walking on the keyboard...not me
[06:27] <tuxwulf> My cat chases the mouse
[06:27] <purpleposeidon> I certainly don't walk on keyboards
[06:28] <dennister> she just has to be wherever my right hand is...usually on top of th emouse, mousepad and kvm switch, lol
[06:29] <dennister> purpleposeidon: r u a cat? i thought u were the god of the sea
[06:29] <purpleposeidon> dennister: I think cats prefer macs
[06:29] <flaccid> !u
[06:30] <flaccid> :p
[06:30] <purpleposeidon> !v
[06:30] <purpleposeidon> government officier[sic]?
[06:30]  * DarthFrog wonders about flaccid.  I'm concerned!  :-)
[06:30] <dennister> purpleposeidon: well, my cat won't find any macs around here
[06:31] <dennister> down with proprietary computing!
[06:31] <DarthFrog> dennister: Don't forget, for goodness sake tha Mac is a proper pronound and must be capitalised.
[06:32] <purpleposeidon> big macs
[06:32] <dennister> lol@Darthfrong
[06:32] <dennister> oops...*Darthfrog
[06:32] <tuxwulf> MacDennister
[06:32] <purpleposeidon> dennister: Oh man, I do that! HEY! Give me that back!
[06:32] <tuxwulf> MacDarthFrog
[06:32] <dennister> still can't type...
[06:32] <flaccid> someone is concerned about me, thats strange
[06:32] <tuxwulf> McTuxwulf...
[06:32] <purpleposeidon> DarthMacFrog
[06:33] <K`zan> Anyone know how to fix this: xvoutput: No XVIDEO port found which supports YUY2 images.
[06:33] <K`zan> I did the upgrade from 7.10 and SO much crap is broken now :-(.
[06:33] <tuxwulf> K`zan > Perhaps in #tvtime ...?
[06:33] <purpleposeidon> K`zan: Don't use YUY2 images?
[06:33] <dennister> purpleposeidon: big macs and mcdonald's is almost as bad as proprietary computing
[06:34] <purpleposeidon> I think someone with a mac and a big mac in mcdonald's needs...... help
[06:34] <dennister> K`zan: u trying to get a tuner going? what kind?
[06:34] <K`zan> Damnifiknow, worked just fine for well over a year and after the upgrade when I rebooted that along with usb filesystem and my camera quit working.
[06:34] <K`zan> SAA7134? IIRC.
[06:35] <dennister> oh...camera...instead of tuner?
[06:35] <K`zan> Leadtech 2000xp Expert
[06:35] <flaccid> K`zan: google is good as well
[06:35] <K`zan> dennister: No, TV CArd.
[06:35] <K`zan> flaccid: google was quite flaccid on the matter, I always check that first :-).
[06:35] <dennister> ok...been awhile since i was fidding with my tuners and tvsoftware
[06:36] <flaccid> K`zan: i think i got this card in my desktop let me test and also check google cool
[06:36] <flaccid> K`zan: a lot of results here: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=No+XVIDEO+port+found+which+supports+YUY2+images+tvtime&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[06:36] <dennister> certainly tvtime would not work with my hauppauge card...only thing that did was mythtv
[06:36] <K`zan> Might be something in spanish or french, but I don't read those :-/.
[06:37] <dennister> because the hauppauge cards need ivtv drivers...not sure about your leadtech card
[06:37] <K`zan> flaccid: Anything other than lots of people asking the same question with no answers?
[06:37] <K`zan> dennister: I guess I am going to have to wipe/reinstall 7.10 - everything pretty much worked OK there.  Sigh.
[06:37] <flaccid> K`zan: i'll go through them. are you on gutsy or something?
[06:38] <DarthFrog> K`zan: Back up your home directory first.
[06:38] <dennister> K`zan: b4 u do the wipe...are u sure you have right hardware drivers for the tuner?
[06:38] <K`zan> As noted, before the upgrade it was doing wonderfully :-/.
[06:38] <flaccid> this card doesn't need a driver for tvtime
[06:39] <K`zan> lemme lsmod and see if perhaps the upgrade hosed that too.
[06:39] <dennister> K`zan: sorry
[06:39] <flaccid> K`zan: are you on gutsy or hardy now? also can you show me the entries for the card in lscpi and also the dpkg -l | grep tvtime
[06:39] <dennister> i'll go back to my hardware rebuilding...later folks
[06:40] <K`zan> flaccid: {/var/log} $ cat /etc/issue.net
[06:40] <K`zan> Ubuntu 8.04.1
[06:41] <K`zan> 2:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)
[06:41] <K`zan> {/var/log} $ dpkg -l | grep tvtime
[06:41] <K`zan> ii  tvtime                                     1.0.2-0.3ubuntu2                   A high quality television application
[06:41] <flaccid> K`zan: ok so need to look at lscpi entries, the package version from dpkg -l also if you can pastebin the whole output from running tvtime from konsole ..
[06:42] <K`zan> rr
[06:42] <flaccid> also which video driver are you using and what video card
[06:42] <robbie> need help real fast.... i forgot where to adjust the brightness on my screen
[06:43] <K`zan> flaccid: http://pastebin.ca/1065289
[06:43] <K`zan> Nvidia 6600gt/128M
[06:44] <K`zan> and whatever x driver the upgrade put in - nvidia drivers are broken now after the upgrade they will no longer compile :-(.
[06:44] <flaccid> K`zan: pastebin your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log (in one paste is fine)
[06:44] <K`zan> rr
[06:45] <flaccid> at this point, i'd say that is where the problem lies - the vid driver support for overlay
[06:47] <flaccid> i'll brb
[06:48] <K`zan> flaccid: http://pastebin.ca/1065297
[06:49] <K`zan> rr me too, grabbing coffee.  Thanks for the help!
[06:57] <flaccid> cool, looking now
[06:58] <flaccid> K`zan: driver in use is only vesa, you want to go hardware drivers manager (kdesudo jockey-kde) and enable the restricted driver so you get overlay
[06:58] <flaccid> just ensure the lscpi entry for the video card is not unknown first
[07:03] <K`zan> flaccid: Ok, did it but have to restart - not sure what this portends but we'll try:
[07:03] <K`zan> Not loading nvidia_new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:03] <K`zan> WARNING: /sys/module/nvidia_new/drivers does not exist, cannot rebind nvidia_new driver
[07:03] <K`zan> flaccid: Thanks VERY(!) much Sir!
[07:04] <K`zan> rebooting
[07:04] <flaccid> ok
[07:13] <K`zan> flaccid: No go :-( dumps me to CLI (same thing I was getting before trying to fix it); log reports:
[07:13] <K`zan> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[07:13] <K`zan> Fatal server error:
[07:13] <K`zan> no screens found
[07:13] <K`zan> Fortunately I saved the working xorg.conf :-).
[07:14] <K`zan> May mess with it some more tomorrow, tooooooooo long a day today.  Again flaccid thanks for your help, much appreciated.  Will try again once I get some sleep :).
[07:15] <K`zan> Even my old xorg.conf for that card and the nvidia prop drivers does the same thing - just FWIW,
[07:15] <K`zan> Night all <splat> :-).
[07:15] <flaccid> oi
[07:15] <flaccid> K`zan: show me the full log with the actual error
[07:16] <K`zan> Sure, saved it for ref, lemme pastebin it.
[07:18] <K`zan> flaccid: http://pastebin.ca/1065310
[07:18] <K`zan> Gonna grab a cup and see if I can't keep eyes open a bit longer :-).
[07:19] <DarthFrog> K`zan: It works with the nv driver?
[07:21] <flaccid> yeah K`zan i just got another coffee
[07:21] <flaccid> K`zan: pretty simple in this case. reinstall the nvidia-glx-* and nvidia-kernel-common packages so they match your current kernel
[07:22] <flaccid> then you should be rockin
[07:35] <K`zan> flaccid: glx-new is installed, requested a reinstall, ditto with kernel-common.  Reinstalling now.
[07:36] <flaccid> K`zan: okies
[07:36] <K`zan> Thaankee Sir! :-)
[07:36] <K`zan> Rebooting now.
[07:37] <flaccid> cool
[07:37] <K`zan> Keeping toes crossed :).  Will report!
[07:37] <flaccid> sweet
[07:37] <apparle> how to install ATI drivers in KDE4
[07:38] <zaapiel> http://pastebin.com/m24d24283   <----help please
[07:38] <zaapiel> i tried to unmark it to leave it but than it wants to install all of kubuntu again
[07:38] <flaccid> apparle: goto #kubuntu-kde4 for help with kde4.
[07:38] <zaapiel> anyway to forcefully remove it?
[07:39] <flaccid> zaapiel: what command are you trying atm?
[07:39] <zaapiel> im using the gui package manager
[07:39] <zaapiel> to remove it
[07:41] <genii> zaapiel: sudo dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq kio-umountwrapper
[07:42] <zaapiel> genii: http://pastebin.com/m736674a3
[07:42] <zaapiel> get that error
[07:42] <K`zan> flaccid: At least x started this time, still no tvtime - tried the sudo jocky-kde and got:
[07:42] <K`zan> Not loading nvidia_new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:42] <K`zan> WARNING: /sys/module/nvidia_new/drivers does not exist, cannot rebind nvidia_new driver
[07:43] <K`zan> Beat to hell, thanks for the help but I am falling over, will work on it more tomorrow.
[07:44] <flaccid> meh
[07:46] <genii> zaapiel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio-umountwrapper/+bug/186729
[07:47] <genii> I wish ppl woudn't use sudo with gui apps.
[07:49] <zaapiel> ty genii
[07:49] <zaapiel> fix worked
[07:49] <genii> zaapiel: Good.
[07:53]  * genii sips his coffee
[07:54] <tuxwulf> genii> sudo with gui apps..?
[07:55] <tuxwulf> genii > cheers. But if no sudo with gui apps, how else to avoid Can not open DISPLAY errors?
[07:56] <domme_> hello, my thunderbird wont open links anymore (i'm using 8.04)
[07:56] <genii> tuxwulf: "[02:42] <K`zan> flaccid: At least x started this time, still no tvtime - tried the sudo jocky-kde and got:"         this from earlier. Sudo should never be used . Always either kdesu/kdesudo with kde or gksu/gksudo with Gnome
[07:56] <tuxwulf> Ah... really... well well...
[07:57] <tuxwulf> Thanks
[07:57] <flaccid> yeah i don't know why the user did sudo when i said kdesudo ah well
[07:57] <flaccid> im off for a bit
[07:57] <genii> flaccid: Heh leaving me here aone eh? ;)
[07:58] <genii> *alone     even
[07:58] <flaccid> haha
[08:01] <jill> guys hi to all
[08:01] <jill> i want to know can i use my ADSL-200 modem on kubuntu 8.04?
[08:02] <jill> in gusty i cant do this
[08:02] <genii> jill: Is that a D-Link modem?
[08:02] <jill> yea
[08:03] <jill> genii
[08:03] <jill> can someone help me with this question?
[08:04] <issam_> hi\
[08:07] <jill> guys
[08:07] <jill> upper
[08:07] <tuxwulf> Jill, sometimes response is slow
[08:07] <jill> okay)
[08:07] <tuxwulf> we are all in different timezones, you see
[08:08] <tuxwulf> Have you tried googling? Seems to work for a lot of people...
[08:08] <jill> yea.. ~10 - 15 secs delay on chat only... + anything else
[08:10] <flaccid> !pppoe | jill
[08:10] <djtm_> you really should be able to use your dsl modem if you can connect it over network cable
[08:10] <genii> jill: Research indicates the EciAdsl driver works with the Globespan gs7070 chipset of that modem
[08:10] <djtm_> if it's a usb one and it's standards compliant it should work as well
[08:10] <flaccid> that modem has bridged and router mode despite how budget it is
[08:11] <jill> thanks, i saving the logs
[08:15] <genii> jill: http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download.php has the ubuntu package of this driver
[08:15] <sbucatino> i have a bad audio issue
[08:16] <sbucatino> this issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=851020
[08:16] <sbucatino> very strange for me
[08:18] <genii> sbucatino: What does command:    lspci | grep Audio                        report?
[08:19] <sbucatino> i have an itel alc861-vd
[08:19] <sbucatino> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[08:19] <genii> !intelhda | sbucatino
[08:19] <genii> sbucatino: I have that card as well, the only fix is to recompile the driver as shown on the link from the bot
[08:20] <sbucatino> omg
[08:20] <sbucatino> well xD another time c
[08:20] <sbucatino> genii: i trust you but ... haven't you an ich8?
[08:21] <genii> sbucatino: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[08:21] <sbucatino> genii: well but you had the same issue about volume ?
[08:21] <sbucatino> right?
[08:22] <genii> sbucatino: Thats my lspci|grep Audio                 I have a Gateway MT6711     and the volume issue was also there until I did the recompile of the driver. It needs doing after every kernel update, unfortunately
[08:22] <sbucatino> have you tried 1.0,17rc3?
[08:23] <genii> sbucatino: 1 sec I'll see which I last compiled
[08:24] <genii> sbucatino: 1.0.16   is what I currently am using, without problems
[08:24] <sbucatino> mm
[08:24] <sbucatino> i have 1.016
[08:24] <sbucatino> but from installation
[08:25] <sbucatino> have you gutsy?
[08:25] <sbucatino> or hardy?
[08:25] <sbucatino> because you know my card works
[08:25] <sbucatino> is only a issue with recordmydeskopt
[08:25] <genii> sbucatino: The issue is that the default settings compiled into the driver are to accomodate the widest range of hardware, but the intel cards need special flags upon comilation.
[08:26] <sbucatino> genii: ok
[08:26] <sbucatino> i am sorry but this issue is very important for me
[08:26] <sbucatino> so i have break your balls xD with my questions
[08:26] <genii> sbucatino: Hardy is what I'm currently running. But I also had the same issue on Edgy and Gutsy
[08:27] <sbucatino> broken
[08:27] <sbucatino> ok i am gonna to compile xD
[08:31] <josef_> hai guys i lost my add/remove in the kde start menu how do i get it back
[08:32] <domme_> josef: do you mean the adept manager?
[08:32] <genii> josef_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall adept-manager                        hopefully
[08:32] <sbucatino> genii: have yuou written something of special on your files?
[08:32] <sbucatino> like snd-intel and some stuff?
[08:33] <josef_> ok thanks genii
[08:33] <genii> sbucatino: I have it loading in my /etc/modules      yes
[08:33] <sbucatino> in your module lol
[08:34] <genii> sbucatino: snd_hda_intel                 yes
[08:35] <sbucatino> genii: but that stuff isn't to put here  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[08:35] <sbucatino> i remember that when i have compiled
[08:35] <sbucatino> anyway
[08:35] <sbucatino> xD
[08:36] <genii> sbucatino: I forget the exact intructions there. But I have the page bookmarked since I require it after every kernel upgrade.
[08:36] <sbucatino> i will try as you said
[08:36] <sbucatino> ok
[08:36] <sbucatino> perfect
[08:36] <sbucatino> are you here often?
[08:37] <genii> sbucatino: Yes, fairly often. although right now not so much since I am supposed to be on vacation.
[08:37] <sbucatino> ok
[08:37] <genii> sbucatino: Normally from work I am here about 8 hours a day on weekdays
[08:38] <sbucatino> i suppone i will finish this dirty work now but anyway it's userfull talk with a guy tha have my same audio card
[08:39] <genii> sbucatino: What I find is if just using built in driver, the sound out is usually fine except any sound input is set to line-level which makes for the weak audio
[08:40] <genii> microphone especially is horribly weak
[08:40] <sbucatino> genii: yeah yeah that damned microfone
[08:41] <malder> киньте плз линк на русский канал
[08:41] <genii> !ru | malder
[08:41] <malder> спасибо)
[08:49] <natik> рш
[08:49] <natik> hi
[08:49] <natik> anyone can help me?
[08:49] <sbucatino> restarting
[08:50] <natik> no one?
[08:50] <natik> i cant setup my SOund Card
[08:50] <natik> im newbie in kubuntu
[08:50] <natik> any one can help?
[08:51] <natik> blat...nu 4to vse molchat
[08:53] <sbucatino> ok now i have sound as before
[08:53] <natik> sbucatino can u help me?
[08:53] <sbucatino> now i am reading some stuff to write something on alsa conf
[08:53] <genii> sbucatino: Does the recordmydesktop   produce usable sound level?
[08:54] <sbucatino> genii: yes is the same of before but i have only installed the driver and the other stuff
[08:54] <sbucatino> i am going to set something on alsa.base o something
[08:54] <sbucatino> like that
[08:54] <genii> Hmm
[08:55] <sbucatino> i can hear my voice loudly
[08:55] <sbucatino> but recordmydeskotp is still low in volume
[08:56] <genii> Interesting. I wonder what it uses for it's default sound input
[08:56] <sbucatino> natik: you should write here
[08:57] <sbucatino> genii: i think it use alsa
[08:57] <sbucatino> yes it uses alsa
[08:57] <natik> im writing here
[08:57] <natik> but no one anwser
[08:57] <sbucatino> natik: write very well your problem
[08:57] <sbucatino> with details
[08:58] <genii> natik: There are only a few helpers here right now, so you may not immediately see a result.
 so i have kubuntu KDE3, my sound card is Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) i setup ALSA but no sound still
[09:00] <flaccid> natik: goto konsole and run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav and let us know what happens
[09:01] <natik> WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav' : Signed 16 bit L                                 ittle Endian, Частота 48000 Гц, Моно
[09:01] <natik> still no sound
[09:01] <flaccid> natik: goto kmix and alsamixer and make sure that the required channels are turned up and not mute and that your speakers are plugged in corectly
[09:02] <flaccid> natik: in kmix set master channel to PCM
[09:03] <natik> whe i use my headset i can hera the sound
[09:03] <natik> when i switch it off no soun again:(
[09:03] <flaccid> where do you plug your headset in?
[09:04] <natik> flaccid: in the case , where i can change the master chanel in kmix?
[09:04] <genii> sbucatino: I find in the preferences menu of krecordmydesktop that the default sound level is only about 1/10th of the way up the slide
[09:05] <flaccid> natik: either there is a switch in kmix that needs to be hit, your speakers are not working/plugged in correctly or there is some other problem
[09:05] <sbucatino> genii: ?what the hell?
[09:05] <natik> flaccid: are u sure that my drivers setuped coreectly?
[09:06] <flaccid> natik: yep
[09:06] <sbucatino> genii: where are  preferences  of recordmydestkop i have always run by terminal
[09:06] <genii> sbucatino: Rightclick on the icon in the tray, go to Preferences            and then check the sound level in there
[09:06] <genii> sbucatino: For kde you should use krecordmydesktop         since it has of course the nice QT gui
[09:07] <sbucatino> genii: ok i have started that application
[09:07] <noaXess> hi all
[09:07] <sbucatino> genii: but i have not that controll i have only quality controll
[09:07] <sbucatino> genii: could you take a screenshot?
[09:07] <genii> sbucatino: Yes, thats the one. I tested it and when low, the audio is low, when high the audio is louder
[09:07] <noaXess> if i do a dd from a 160gb hd to a 200gb hd, will the partitions on the 200gb hd then have the same size as on the 160gb hd?
[09:08] <noaXess> or will they be extended to the 200gb hd
[09:08] <genii> noaXess: The first one
[09:08] <noaXess> genii: ok.. then how can i clone a 160gb hd to a 200gb hd that the pertitions will be extended?
[09:09] <genii> noaXess: dd it over then use qtparted to change the partition sizes as you like
[09:11] <noaXess> genii: okay.. thanks..
[09:11] <genii> sbucatino: Screenshot http://i30.tinypic.com/wsmsg9.png
[09:12] <genii> sbucatino: np
[09:12] <genii> noaXess: np
[09:12] <genii> sbucatino: Sorry that was for noaXess  :)
[09:12] <sbucatino> genii: o thank y ma you are so kind but i have still that problem anyway
[09:12] <noaXess> sbucatino: have you tried also gtk-recordMyDesktop?
[09:13] <sbucatino> it's the same
[09:13] <sbucatino> i have tried
[09:13] <sbucatino> xD
[09:13] <sbucatino> i was really desperate
[09:13] <genii> sbucatino: Hmm. My last resort would be to send you to #alsa channel
[09:14] <sbucatino> genii: i am trying to changge model of laptop on damned alsa-base
[09:14] <kurumin> help
[09:14] <noaXess> sbucatino: what is the problem exactly, can't read all your wrote
[09:14] <kuil> I am running kubuntu hardy with latest updates and sun java 6 (removed openjdk). I run into a lot of java problems, crashes, in libjvm.so
[09:14] <kuil> I have tried to switch between the server and client version of libjvm.. without any luck...
[09:14] <kuil> anybody else ran into this problem?
[09:15] <sbucatino> noaXess: it's  a strange issue , really strange because when i use audacity i can record with my microphone reallly loud
[09:15] <sbucatino> noaXess: instead with recordmydestkop volume is very low
[09:15] <sbucatino> and my setting on alsa
[09:15] <sbucatino> it's the same for both programs
[09:15] <sbucatino> so i have put audio quality at the top
[09:16] <sbucatino> on recordmydesktop but it's the same
[09:16] <sbucatino> it's seems recordmuydesktop doesn't like my audio card
[09:16] <sbucatino> i don't know how it could  be  fixed ...i have just compile the new alsa driver 1.017rc3
[09:16] <sbucatino> -.-''
[09:18] <noaXess> sbucatino: what about recording audio with any other application, eg. audacity? ther you have more options to select the rifht hardware device for recording
[09:18] <josef_> guys i lost the progam addremove to add programs how can i get it back
[09:18] <sbucatino> noaXess: audacity works like a charm very loudly very fine
[09:19] <sbucatino> it's only this silly stupid recordmydeskop
[09:19] <noaXess> sbucatino: in gtk-recordMyDesktop you can set the audio device und advanced, sound
[09:19] <sbucatino> mm i know
[09:20] <noaXess> sbucatino: you you tested there around?
[09:20] <sbucatino> yes i tried something but not so much
[09:21] <natik> sbucatino: when i conect the speakers or headset the sound is work
[09:22] <sbucatino> i just wan try this fucking lenovo settings and we'll see if it will work or not
[09:22] <sbucatino> rebooting
[09:27] <sbucatino> well uff
[09:27] <sbucatino> xD
[09:28] <serzholino> kuil: sun-java6-jdk works fine here on hardy
[09:28] <jill> what is gambas2?
[09:29] <serzholino> swing app, Oracle SQLDeveloper
[09:29] <sbucatino> gambas is like visual basic
[09:29] <jill> cool
[09:29] <jill> thanks)
[09:29] <jill> i need it too))
[09:29] <jill> i need all development tools
[09:31] <genii> sbucatino: Perhaps try what is in post number 4 here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5330218
[09:31] <jill> "More... More!!" - agent Smith says.
[09:32] <sbucatino> genii: have you a equium too?
[09:32] <sbucatino> i have equium a1'00
[09:32] <genii> sbucatino: No, I have a Gateway MT6711
[09:32] <sbucatino> ah sorry ok
[09:34] <jill> my Kdevelop interface designer always crash whaen i save my "ui"
[09:34] <jill> what is it?
[09:34] <jill> what is it may be?
[09:37] <genii> sbucatino: Welcome back again :)
[09:37] <sbucatino> xD
[09:38] <sbucatino> genii: could give me the last link i have lost
[09:38] <sbucatino> damn
[09:38] <sbucatino> rebooting :(
[09:39] <genii> sbucatino: OK let me find it again
[09:39] <sbucatino> sorry
[09:39] <sbucatino> man
[09:39] <sbucatino> now i will save
[09:40] <genii> sbucatino: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5330218    Post number 4  in there
[09:40] <sbucatino> genii: thank y so much
[09:40] <genii> sbucatino: Any time
[09:41] <sbucatino> genii: i can 't do this
[09:41] <sbucatino> v
[09:41] <sbucatino> sudo rmmod snd_hda_intel
[09:41] <sbucatino> well is in use
[09:41] <sbucatino> mm
[09:41] <sbucatino> and so?
[09:42] <sbucatino> i have to kill alsa running stuff?
[09:42] <genii> sbucatino: Close kmix, run the command
[09:42] <genii> sbucatino: yES, ANYTHING USING SOUND SYSTEM TO BE CLOSED
[09:42] <genii> Bah capslock
[09:46] <jill> can i make a like copy of my current installed system, because i dont wanna use internet again to update any else kubuntu 8.04 systems? can i be the source of updates to other kubuntu computers?
[09:47] <genii> !clone
[09:48] <jill> saving logs, thanks
[09:48] <genii> jill: If the machines you want to update are on the same lan as that box you can use the clone method described above, and if they need a machine to connect to the internet through, you can put apt-proxy on the one you already have
[09:49] <sbucatino> well no way
[09:49] <sbucatino> with that stuff is worse than before
[09:49] <jill> internet ->>windows computer->>my computer->>other lan
[09:50] <jill> i just cant pay for traffic any more
[09:50] <jill> GiBs of traffic are expensive
[09:50] <greeklegend> what traffic is this?
[09:51] <maniac> hey
[09:51] <jill> emmm... bytes of digital information from internet to my computer
[09:51] <maniac> i have  ubuntu 8.04
[09:52] <greeklegend> i think you might be in the wrong channel then.....
[09:52] <maniac> how do i go to the right channel?
[09:52] <maniac> this is the first time i came onto irc
[09:52] <maniac> ?
[09:52] <greeklegend> go on anyway :P
[09:53] <maniac> how do i enable the cool graphic effects on it?
[09:53] <maniac> i mean i have read about compiz fusion but how do i enable it
[09:53] <greeklegend> system->desktop effects
[09:53] <greeklegend> in the k menu thingy
[09:54] <maniac> listen
[09:54] <maniac> there is an option for desktop effects in appearance
[09:54] <maniac> but when i chose medium level or high level option
[09:55] <maniac> it says desktop effects cannot be enabled
[09:55] <greeklegend> ok, you're on kubuntu or ubuntu?
[09:55] <maniac> ubunu
[09:55] <maniac> ubuntu
[09:55] <jill> traffic - size of downloaded information from internet for the money... any providers can take payment for the time of internet and some can take money for the bytes of information you download.. i just dont know right word)
[09:55] <greeklegend> yeah type /join ubuntu
[09:56] <maniac> ok
[09:56] <maniac> cya
[09:56] <greeklegend> thank you, i know what traffic is, i was actually asking what traffic you were talking about but whatevedr
[09:57] <jill> okay... then kubuntu is cool if the cloning are possible in it
[09:57] <sbucatino> very very silly
[09:57] <greeklegend> apt-get install klone
[09:58] <greeklegend> fuck y'all
[09:58] <maniac> lol
[09:58] <maniac> ol
[09:59] <jill> we are so stuppid people.. first time on linux systems.. hardly
[10:00] <sbucatino> really is 1 year i am on kubuntu
[10:00] <sbucatino> ...
[10:00] <sbucatino> and still this shame problem
[10:01] <jill> realy my kdevelop interface designer always crushes when i save ui's
[10:01] <jill> why? how can i fix it?
[10:01] <jill> sbucatino
[10:02] <kuil> serzholino: hmm.. my system here is really unusable with any java thing.. (starting netbeans, compiling with maven failes a lot of the times)
[10:02] <genii> jill: Someone in #kdevelop   channel might know
[10:02] <sbucatino> jill: i don't know
[10:02] <jill> okay
[10:02] <jill> okay
[10:02] <jill> .join #kdevelop
[10:03] <jill> oh
[10:03] <serzholino> kuil: show  dpkg -l | grep jdk
[10:04] <kuil> ii  openjdk-6-jdk                              6b09-0ubuntu2                       OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK)
[10:04] <kuil> ii  openjdk-6-jre                              6b09-0ubuntu2                       OpenJDK Java runtime
[10:04] <kuil> ii  openjdk-6-jre-headless                     6b09-0ubuntu2                       OpenJDK Java runtime (headless)
[10:04] <kuil> ii  openjdk-6-jre-lib                          6b09-0ubuntu2                       OpenJDK Java runtime (architecture independent librari
[10:04] <kuil> I just installed that
[10:04] <kuil> just to try openjdk.. but that fails as well....
[10:04] <kuil> I usually download java from java.sun.com
[10:04] <kuil> jdk
[10:04] <jussi01> !paste | kuil
[10:05] <kuil> sorry
[10:05] <serzholino> su, you're using openjdk instead of suns's jdk
[10:05] <serzholino> *so
[10:05] <kuil> atm yes..
[10:05] <kuil> before I used the latest download from java.sun.com
[10:06] <serzholino> install sun-java6-jdk package
[10:06] <kuil> will try.. ..that is what you are using?
[10:06] <serzholino> and remove openjdk
[10:06] <serzholino> yes
[10:19] <ojoshiro> hi
[10:20] <kuil> serzholino: done.. /me keeps fingers crossed
[10:21] <ojoshiro> upgrading updating...my... how long is this going to take =)
[10:34] <ct529> hi everybody.
[10:34] <zorglu_> q. i would like to get konsole to honor ctrl-s to freeze the output, what should i do ?
[10:34] <ct529> does anyone know a cli command to serch for all the files on the a local computer who have been modified in the last 2 days and a half (that is 60 hours)?
[10:35] <sbucatino> ct529: open konqueror
[10:35] <sbucatino> go in your home
[10:35] <sbucatino> then press CTRL F
[10:36] <sbucatino> genii: Do you know how could i check how hardware device i can set on recordmydesktop
[10:36] <sbucatino> genii: like hw:0,0
[10:39] <Kamugo> Hi, where can I download libpng.so.3 ?
[10:39] <genii> sbucatino: No idea. There does seem to be some documentation on the entire recordmydesktop at this site however http://recordmydesktop.iovar.org/documentation.php
[10:39] <ct529> sbucatino:  I asked for a cli command ....
[10:41] <sbucatino> genii: well thank you so much man
[10:43] <genii> Kamugo: sudo apt-get install libpng3
[10:43] <genii> Bah he left
[10:43]  * genii hates the "Ask and Run" ones
[10:43] <sbucatino> hahahah
[10:43] <zorglu_> q. i would like to get konsole to honor ctrl-s to freeze the output, what should i do ? currently i got "i-search" from bash when i press ctrl-s
[10:44] <ojoshiro> hmmm
[10:44] <ojoshiro> knetworkmanager doesn't want to start
[10:45] <ojoshiro> guess I upgraded it to hell
[10:47] <genii> zorglu_: perhaps    stty ixon
[10:48] <zorglu_> genii: excelent thanks :)
[10:48] <zorglu_> genii: any idea who disable this ?
[10:49] <genii> zorglu_: There seems a long saga on this in the kde lists
[10:50] <zorglu_> genii: ah ok, so it isnt something i have done.
[10:50] <genii> zorglu_: Likely not :)
[10:51] <zorglu_> ok modifying my .profile. thanks
[10:51] <genii> zorglu_: np
[10:59] <ojoshiro> where do I find what  version of kubuntu I have ? it says :"Ubuntu 7.04" on the terminal login.
[10:59] <ojoshiro> "info center" doesn't yield the info I expected.
[11:00] <genii> ojoshiro: 7.04 would be "Feisty Fawn" edition
[11:01] <ojoshiro> thank you =)
[11:02] <genii> ojoshiro: You're welcome
[11:02] <ojoshiro> is there a way from there to Hardy? Or do I just reinstall everything again?
[11:04] <ojoshiro> ah yes
[11:04] <ojoshiro> sorry
[11:08] <vadviktor> hi guys! anyone could tell me, will the kde 4.1 be the first stable release of kde?
[11:13] <serzholino> vadviktor: targeted for end users, yes
[11:13] <vadviktor> ty :)
[11:33] <ridd> ada indonesian people ga
[11:44] <ct529> does anyone know a CLI command to search for all the files on the a local computer who have been modified in the last 2 days and a half (that is 60 hours)?
[11:45] <flaccid> there is probably something on google ct529
[11:45] <beatriz_> X FAVOR UN CANAL EN ESPAÑOL
[11:46] <flaccid> !es | beatriz
[12:06] <vipex> Hi
[12:06] <genii> !ask | vipex
[12:06] <genii> vipex: Also hello
[12:07] <vipex> ??
[12:08] <vipex> Do u know Finnish irc channel link:D?
[12:08] <goshawk> !fi
[12:08] <vipex> Thx
[12:08] <goshawk> vipex: you're welcome
[12:11] <Walzmyn> what do I have to do to get mysql working with apache/php?
[12:11] <goshawk> vipex: btw, sometimes regional channels are empty or full of away people, if you have a problem ad you know english, ask here your question
[12:11] <goshawk> Walzmyn: maybe a LAMP server ?
[12:12] <goshawk> !LAMP
[12:12] <goshawk> Walzmyn: you can install
[12:12] <goshawk> LAMP on a existing ubuntu or kubuntu too
[12:12] <Walzmyn> goshawk, i've got apache and mysql installed on kubuntu 8.04 - but mysql is not playing nice
[12:13] <Walzmyn> goshawk, the webpage says i need to tell php where mysql.so is, but I can't find that file on the harddrive
[12:13] <goshawk> Walzmyn: there is a library to link php and mysql
[12:13] <goshawk> wait
[12:14] <Walzmyn> I just wanted to do a quick setup to test some thing s before it went live - didn't know it was going to be this big a PITA
[12:14] <goshawk> install php5-mysql
[12:14]  * Walzmyn looks
[12:14] <Githzerai> sudo a2enmod php
[12:15] <Walzmyn> now, why in the devil did that not install on it's own? I installed the whole thing by calling php and letting it pull apache in
[12:16] <goshawk> Walzmyn: btw, if you will continue to have troubles you can remove all the things that you've installed and install the lamp-server package
[12:16] <goshawk> it's a virtual package that sets a lamp server out of the box
[12:16] <Githzerai> Walzmyn: You need to swithc php module on : sudo a2enmod php5
[12:17] <Githzerai> And restart apache
[12:17] <Walzmyn> Githzerai, well, that woulda been nice to have found when I started this.
[12:17] <Walzmyn> ALL-RIGHT, we are good to go, thank you much guys
[12:17] <Githzerai> Walzmyn: Had the same problem and frustration when I installed hardy ;)
[12:18] <goshawk> :) i've ever installed lamp-server and it worked out of teh box
[12:18] <Walzmyn> Githzerai, I'm thinking adept needs a filter to just show big meta packages, so you can check there first
[12:19] <Githzerai> Walzmyn: sudo taskselect
[12:19] <Githzerai> sudo tasksel , sorry
[12:20] <goshawk> or better.. use aptitude instead of adept
[12:20] <goshawk> :D
[12:21] <goshawk> it has a easy meny for tasks
[12:21] <goshawk> menu
[12:22] <Walzmyn> Githzerai, what is tasksel?
[12:22] <Githzerai> Walzmyn: try it ;)
[12:22] <Walzmyn> bleh, it's now saying it can't connect to mysql
[12:23] <Githzerai> Walzmyn: sudo a2enmod , it should give u list of availabe modules
[12:23] <Walzmyn> Githzerai, oh, man, that tasksel is nice. how do you exit it?
[12:24] <Githzerai> Walzmyn: ctrl+x or ctrl+z or something.... :)
[12:37] <Walzmyn> ok, I'm trying to instlal joomla - it's got a check page to begin with that now says mysql is availiable - but when you try to access the database it says it cannot connect iwth mysql
[12:37] <flaccid> Walzmyn: goto #mysql and joomla support
[12:38] <jamfade> hi all ^^. been having some issues with kubuntu 8.04 kde4 remix install. it doesnt copy initrd. would it be wise to just copy it from the cd?
[12:39] <Walzmyn> flaccid thanks
[12:40] <flaccid> jamfade: probably not as its an image based install
[12:41] <rysiek> jamfade: have you checked the cd for errors?
[12:42] <jamfade> yes, i have checked the cd for errors
[12:42] <Githzerai> Walzmyn: U need to create database first. Just checking ;)
[12:42] <rysiek> ho-humm. odd.
[12:42] <jamfade> any thoughts on what may be causing this or soemthing else i should check?
[12:43] <rysiek> jamfade: are you able to check this on another machine?
[12:43] <rysiek> jamfade: i.e. install kubuntu 8.04 kde4 remix from this cd on some other machine and check if it goes AOK
[12:44] <ojoshiro> so far so good
[12:44] <jamfade> could use a virtual machine
[12:44] <rysiek> jamfade: yeah, that would do the trick
[12:44] <jamfade> k, on it
[12:45] <rysiek> jamfade: best you could do is: try to do it on a VM from the cd; then, try to do it from the ISO file
[12:45] <jamfade> will do both
[12:46] <rysiek> ok
[12:46] <kannettava> hi
[12:47] <kannettava> im a from finnish
[12:48] <kannettava> im a installed ubuntu on today morning
[12:49] <Malic> is there a search option for kghostview?
[12:49] <rysiek> !fn
[12:49] <rysiek> mm
[12:51] <tzd> can someone tell me how to watch apple trailers please? I've installed w32codecs via medibuntu but it still won't work in FF3. What do i need to install please?
[12:52] <flaccid> tzd: can i have a test url please?
[12:52] <tzd> flaccid: http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/transsiberian/trailer1/
[12:53] <flaccid> thanks
[12:53] <tzd> no problem :)
[12:53] <flaccid> tzd: you probably need mplayer-plugin
[12:54] <tzd> flaccid: ah thanks, will try with that... do i need to have mplayer installed? I mainly use kaffeine for most of my media files
[12:54] <flaccid> !info mozilla-mplayer | tzd
[12:54] <flaccid> yeah firefox is not K, its GTK..
[12:54] <tzd> flaccid: ah ok, thanks
[12:54] <flaccid> i seem to be missing quicktime but
[12:55] <Githzerai> tzd: mozilla-kaffeine is avilable also
[12:55] <flaccid> !info mozilla-kaffeine
[12:56] <tzd> ah unlucky
[12:56] <flaccid> dang. um i get the audio on that url tzd but not the movie although the quicktime codecs are installed
[12:56] <Githzerai> !info kaffeine-mozilla
[12:56] <tzd> flaccid: hmm it's still better than the plugin thing asking me to install the missing plugin :)
[12:57] <tzd> ah nice Githzerai! cheers! Will try that one first
[12:57] <flaccid> i will try that too but its likely the codec
[12:58] <Githzerai> If quicktime, than small chance of succes... :(
[12:58] <rysiek> kaffeine-mozilla! whoo-hoo! didn't know about that one! thanks, Githzerai
[12:58] <tzd> there's another thing I've been wondering about... I use the adept manager sometimes and for some packets there's a kubuntu symbol next to them... what does that mean please?
[12:59] <tictric> tzd: You would be the first one I know of that got them apple movies going on non win or mac
[12:59] <rysiek> tzd: it means that they are KDE/Qt GUI apps
[12:59] <tictric> Just let me know when you work it out ;)
[12:59] <tzd> rysiek: i see, cheers!
[12:59] <genii> That movie plays flawlessly on my 8.04 box here.
[12:59] <tzd> tictric: haha yeah i will if ever ;P
[13:00] <rysiek> tzd: oh, wait, you mean the Kubuntu, not KDE logo?
[13:00] <tictric> genii: heck, how
[13:00] <tictric> ?
[13:00] <tzd> rysiek: yeah the blue round thingie to the left
[13:00] <tzd> nope the kaffeine-mozilla didn't do the apple trailer
[13:01] <rysiek> tzd: the trailer works AOK here (kubuntu 8.04, FF3.0)
[13:01] <rysiek> tzd: try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:01] <genii> Interesting. snapshot preview shows still the movie playing in the box but the png file has a black field.
[13:01] <rysiek> tzd: I think that icon means those packages are officially supported by Kubuntu team, but not 100% sure
[13:02] <genii> tictric: Beats me. Maybe all the stuff I already installed to play my encrypted dvds
[13:04] <tzd> rysiek: the restricted packet didn't do it either... hmm this is strange
[13:04] <rysiek> tzd: did you restart Ff?
[13:04] <tzd> rysiek: ah yeah that's what i've been thinking until now... the kubuntu symbol that is
[13:04] <tzd> rysiek: i did
[13:05] <tzd> hmm i can try in konqueror see if that might help
[13:05] <genii> For whoever's interested here's a dump of all the installed packages on my box http://paste.ubuntu.com/25915/
[13:05] <Kamugo> Hi, I've a problem with my iPod Classic, I use Amarok, and sometimes it detects the iPod, but the other times no :S
[13:05] <rysiek> tzd: do that
[13:07]  * rysiek gtg
[13:07] <rysiek> cu all
[13:07] <ojoshiro> hi
[13:07] <tzd> oh.... hmm it did work with konqueror
[13:07] <tzd> i might just install mplayer and see if that might help in FF
[13:07] <flaccid> i had a crash
[13:08] <julien__> Ow you discovered Linux...
[13:09] <flaccid> haha i discovered it years ago :p
[13:09] <tzd> installing mplayer mozilla plugin did the trick. Cheers guys! :)
[13:10] <flaccid> tzd: serious? i still get no video
[13:11] <tzd> flaccid: hmm yeah it worked fine... the thign I've installed was mplayer-mozilla plugin, kubuntu-restricted-extras and added the medibuntu rep. and then downloaded w32codecs
[13:12] <tzd> things*
[13:12] <flaccid> i got all that
[13:12] <tzd> flaccid: and you've restarted FF as well?
[13:12] <flaccid> yeah
[13:13] <tzd> strange
[13:13] <flaccid> ah well
[13:17] <iecsam> hello
[13:17] <ojoshiro> 90%
[13:17] <flaccid> !hi
[13:18] <ojoshiro> hi
[13:18] <iecsam> what is the best requirement to run kubuntu
[13:18] <flaccid> !requirements | iecsam
[13:18] <iecsam> i got vista preinstalled
[13:18] <flaccid> if you can run vista, you have more than enough power to run kubuntu
[13:19] <iecsam> i really want to get rid of vista
[13:19] <iecsam> except someone can show me a software like dreamweaver
[13:20] <iecsam> is there a software like dreamweaver
[13:20] <flaccid> iecsam: there are a few but none as extensive as dreamweaver. you really should learn how to code semantic and valid html css
[13:20] <jussi01> !kompozer
[13:21] <makdaknife> iecsam: have a look at Quanta Plus. Its not quite the same as Dreamweaver, but its certainly one of the nicest Web IDE's I've used
[13:21] <Githzerai> !bluefish
[13:21] <flaccid> !info bluefish
[13:22] <Githzerai> flaccid: Tnx ;)
[13:22] <flaccid> me, i just use kate.
[13:22] <flaccid> hehe np Githzerai
[13:22] <tzd> iecsam: not sure about dreamweaver but i know you can run a lot of adobe programs via wine
[13:22] <makdaknife> flaccid: or vim....
[13:22] <ojoshiro> yah vim
[13:23] <flaccid> well im running the KDE gui, might as well use a graphical editor~!
[13:23] <Githzerai> fallback to nano :)
[13:23] <flaccid> its easier to work with also (at least for me)
[13:24] <flaccid> nano is still cli. for CLI i use joe
[13:24] <makdaknife> flaccid: to be fair I use kate for loads of stuff... its a great editor
[13:26] <flaccid> yep its nicely minimal
[13:26] <iecsam> kate
[13:26] <iecsam> ulr for kate
[13:27] <makdaknife> iecsam: http://kate-editor.org/
[13:27] <iecsam> thanks
[13:28] <makdaknife> iecsam: if you're looking to replace dreamweaver, kate is probably not what you're looking for
[13:28] <makdaknife> iecsam: look at quanta, bluefish, kompozer etc
[13:29] <makdaknife> iecsam: but also take the advice that in general you will do yourself a load of favours learning to code semantic html etc
[13:29] <makdaknife> iecsam: certainly I believe that you can run Dreamweaver under wine or under crossover office
[13:30] <iecsam> thanks
[13:31] <jussi01> !appdb | iecsam
[13:36] <ojoshiro> hmm, I get a lot of "Malformed URL\nfile:///" now.
[13:36] <flaccid> thats usually a bug in konq, ojoshiro
[13:36] <ojoshiro> oh
[13:38] <ojoshiro> I'll have to look into it I guess.
[13:39] <zipper> ?? flash
[13:40] <zipper> ? flash
[13:40] <ojoshiro> ahaaaa
[13:40] <zipper> !flash
[13:42] <sbucatino> well i think i have found out a bug on recordmydestktp
[13:42] <sbucatino> it's the only way
[13:42] <sbucatino> because audacity and recodrd tool work
[13:42] <sbucatino> the only software is not working is this silly recordmydestkop
[13:43] <flaccid> !enter | sbucatino
[13:43] <sbucatino> -.-''
[13:45] <sbucatino> flaccid: are u kidding or what?
[13:45] <flaccid> no.
[13:46] <sysnemo> hi.i have a wireless intel proset wireless 3945abg and i am not sure whether it is configured and installed...can anyone help me in establishing whether it is working or not?
[13:46] <sbucatino> well i have written serverla word for sentece ....so flaccid i think is not so disturb think
[13:46] <sbucatino> s/word/words
[13:46] <flaccid> sbucatino: keep it on one line, not 4.
[13:46] <patrick_> hi
[13:47] <ojoshiro> hello
[13:47] <New_Bember> hi
[13:48] <New_Bember> any russians there?
[13:48] <Jucato> !ru | New_Bember
[13:48] <patrick_> this society is rotten
[13:48] <New_Bember> heh.. but what about Kubunu-ru? (-:
[13:48] <patrick_> we have found criminals among the judges
[13:49] <flaccid> i didn't know this was a society with judges in it. maybe you are in the wrong place, patrick?
[13:50] <patrick_> sorry
[13:51] <patrick_> but it is huge
[13:52] <Jucato> and how is this related to #kubuntu?
[13:52] <patrick_> they talk about democracy but it is bullshit
[13:52] <patrick_> you could relay the information
[13:52] <patrick_> open software for open information
[13:52] <Jucato> this isn't the channel for that
[13:53] <Jucato> nice try, but no
[13:54] <flaccid> also please keep this channel family friendly, patrick_ (and on topic)
[13:55] <patrick_> i was just trying konversation and i pop up here
[13:55] <Pici> !support
[13:55] <Pici> hm
[13:56] <Kamugo> I, i've a iPod classic, I need to delete iTunesLock to use the iPod with amarok, but when I disconnect, the file come agains :S
[13:56] <flaccid> patrick_: yep, this is kubuntu support channel
[13:56] <afeijo_br> hi all
[13:57] <afeijo_br> there is a shell torrent?
[13:57] <afeijo_br> I'm accessing my home machine thru putty, I cant use ktorrent, can I install some other that works with shell?
[13:58] <afeijo_br> or, how can I activate my ktorrent in my graphic session that is open at home thru putty? lol
[13:58] <afeijo_br> rlogin?
[13:58] <flaccid> !enter | afeijo_br
[13:58] <afeijo_br> flaccid: sorry, it wasnt my intention
[13:58] <flaccid> !info rtorrent | afeijo_br hopefully thats what you mean
[13:59] <afeijo_br> cool, rtorrent, thanks
[13:59] <Jucato> !info bittorrent
[14:00] <ojoshiro> okay, I'm lost. After a dist-upgrade I got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25928/  I don't understand what that tells me.
[14:01] <natik> any one can help?
[14:01] <Jucato> what was the question?
[14:01] <flaccid> ojoshiro: possible a disk write problem ie.possibly physical damage
[14:01] <natik> jucato: i have no sound
[14:02] <ojoshiro> oh I hope not...
[14:02] <Jucato> !sound
[14:02] <natik> !sound
[14:02] <natik> jucato: i have no sound , when i conect the speakers or headsets it work
[14:02] <flaccid> ojoshiro: also chick diskspace, you may be out
[14:03] <flaccid> chick=check
[14:03] <natik> flaccid:can u help me to?:)
[14:04] <flaccid> natik: i did that earlier. please don't nag.
[14:05] <natik> flaccid it is not work:( sorry man but i whant to setup this OS :( but im newbie
[14:06] <flaccid> natik: yes i know this. i couldn't help you further and the problem seemed to be hardware as your soundcard is working and working when you plug in headphones.
[14:06] <ojoshiro> Thanks flaccid
[14:06] <flaccid> i don't know why your speakers don't work natik!
[14:06] <natik> flaccid in Windows Vista it is work
[14:06] <ojoshiro> then use vista =)
[14:07] <flaccid> natik: the only thing i could thing of, like i suggested was checking the switches etc. in kmix and alsamixer . i don't know what else it could be or how to troubleshoot. if someone else could help, they probably would of.
[14:07] <flaccid> thing=think
[14:07] <natik> ojoshiro i work on vista to:) but i whant lern linux too
[14:07] <natik> flaccid ok man thank u\
[14:09] <ojoshiro> yes, I can understand that
[14:10] <ojoshiro> hmmm
[14:10] <ojoshiro> looks I thoroughly upgraded to hell now =)
[14:10] <andres_> hola que tal
[14:10] <ojoshiro> note to self: never change a winning team.
[14:10] <andres_> alguien me puede echar una mano para poder actualizar mi ubuntu
[14:10] <andres_> osea amsn
[14:10] <andres_> etc por consola
[14:12] <Jucato> !es
[14:13] <Nece228> please include kde 3.5 in reposities in kubuntu 8.10
[14:13] <andres_> hola que tal todo el mundo
[14:13] <andres_> aver si alguien me puede echar una mano
[14:14] <andres_> es que no me se los comando por consola para instalar el amsn
[14:14] <Jucato> andres_: English only please.
[14:14] <Jucato> !es | andres_
[14:15] <Githzerai> Nece228: will be there have no worries ;)
[14:15] <afeijo_br> how to set date in shell?
[14:15] <afeijo_br> and time
[14:15] <Nece228> Githzerai: so kde 3.5 will be in reposities in kubuntu 8.10?
[14:16] <Githzerai> Nece228: yes
[14:16] <Jucato> Nece228: that's the plan
[14:16] <Jucato> KDE 4.1 by default, KDE 3.5 optional
[14:16] <Nece228> Githzerai: wow, thanks guys for that
[14:17] <afeijo_br> better, how to syncronize my linux date and time to some server?
[14:17] <Githzerai> Nece228: By that time you will like kde 4.1.x though :) ;)
[14:17] <ojoshiro> flaccid: throwing away the .deb file and redoing the dist-upgrade seems to work
[14:18] <Pici> !time | afeijo_br
[14:18] <Githzerai> afeijo_br: man date, think date -s should be it
[14:19] <afeijo_br> found on google, date and this sequence: month day hour minute year
[14:20] <afeijo_br> cool, found ntpdate command
[14:23] <afeijo_br> ntpdate "209.81.9.7" && hwclock -w
[14:32] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[14:33] <liquid> Hey any one feel like helping me?
[14:33] <dr_Willis> Depends on the issue. :)
[14:34] <BluesKaj> still trying to fix X , after the terrible mess I got into after the latest update
[14:34] <liquid> I am having a issue with java on kunbuntu
[14:34] <liquid> ku*
[14:34] <ubunturos> liquid: post your query in detail.
[14:34] <liquid> every time i watch a video it will stop playing after like 5 secs
[14:35] <liquid> i dont know how to go into much further detail
[14:35] <liquid> :(
[14:35] <BluesKaj> which video player, liquid
[14:35] <Githzerai> liquid: video? can it be flash instead of java ?
[14:35] <liquid> oops thats what i mean sorry
[14:36] <liquid> yes it is the flash plugin for ff3
[14:37] <Githzerai> liquid: vlc and (s)mplayer are the best, at least from my expirience, for flv
[14:38] <Githzerai> BluesKaj: Still in  trouble with ATi ??? man....
[14:38] <liquid> hmm ill try that thanks
[14:43] <BluesKaj> Githzerai:  worse than ever
[14:44] <Githzerai> BluesKaj: how far did u get ?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> Githzerai:  nowhere, I was tired and went to bed, after the ati proprietary driver screwed my setup ...there's no horizontal ctrl is the best way to describe my desktop
[14:49] <BluesKaj> gonna try the safe rscuemode
[14:49] <BluesKaj> exit
[14:49] <Githzerai> BluesKaj: maybe u need to reconfigure monitor settings also, driver reinstall can mees with them too
[14:50] <spow> Anyone know where i could get the latest nightly build for C::B?
[14:51] <Githzerai> spow: C::B ?
[14:51] <spow> Code blocks
[14:52] <Githzerai> spow: Wht's that exactly, soory that I don't undarstand... ;)
[14:58] <zipper> Hmm, for some reason im only able to set volume to 100% or 0%. Adjusting it doesnt work, the slider in kmix can't really be moved like it should. Any ideas
[14:59] <New_Bember> put all other sliders to 100%
[14:59] <New_Bember> and then at your master channel you can ajust any volume
[14:59] <zipper> i really cant, since i'm unable to change the setting of the master channel
[14:59] <zipper> the slider goes right back to 100% when i try to set it to for example 50%
[15:00] <zipper> i've tried chmod'ing /dev/mixer and /dev/dsp but it didnt really help anything
[15:02] <New_Bember> apply 100% to the rest of the channels
[15:03] <zipper> ?!
[15:03] <zipper> how is that supposed to help?
[15:03] <Firefishe> <--Feisty here.  Is there a gui-based grub configuration tool?
[15:05] <jonathan_> hello!
[15:06] <Nece228> so in kubuntu 8.10 final release kde 4.1 will be faster than now?
[15:06] <jonathan_> i try to install the current fglrx-xorg-driver. I downloaded the installer from the ati-driver-site and followed all discribed steps in a german tutorial until i got the few deb-packages.
[15:07] <jonathan_> now i try to install them with the command "dpkg -i *.deb"
[15:07] <jonathan_> it works fine except one package.
[15:07] <jonathan_> this is the error i get every time:
[15:08] <jonathan_>  /usr/sbin/atieventsd: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:08] <jonathan_> does anyone know how i can fix that error?
[15:14] <neopsyche> hi i am getting grub error 18 any fix?
[15:17] <mbuf> how can i install "makeinfo" on kubuntu? apt-cache doesn't find it
[15:17] <milko_> всем прив
[15:17] <milko_> hello all )
[15:18] <milko_> Народ, а народ, есть ли нормальная вайн сборка под 8.04?
[15:18] <Githzerai> !ru | milko_:
[15:19] <milko_> ok, thnx, sorry )
[15:19] <milko_>  #ubuntu-ru You're banned from that channel )))))
[15:19] <milko_> may be, my ISP`s users do it..
[15:19] <laurent__> salut à tous
[15:20] <milko_> Anybody know, where I can get finelly wine build to 8.04?
[15:21] <Synnz> is anyone in here?
[15:21] <milko_> me )
[15:22] <Synnz> is there a version of skype for the 64 bit ubuntu out?
[15:22] <milko_> don`t know..
[15:22] <Synnz> im in afghanistan and thats the main thing i use to call home
[15:22] <milko_> Use www.sipnet.ru )))
[15:23] <bobJR> hell i wish there was a skype for the 32 bit version
[15:23] <milko_> you need SIP phone only )
[15:23] <bobJR> they used to be
[15:23] <Synnz> yea they have skype for the 32 its on skypes site
[15:23] <bobJR> sweet
[15:23] <bobJR> goin there now
[15:23] <bobJR> thanks
[15:24] <milko_> try Asterisk PBX & chan_skype )
[15:24] <zipper> When i try to run 'alsamixer' i get this error: alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: No such file or directory - any hints?
[15:24] <milko_> you may install alsa-mixer )
[15:25] <milko_> apt-cache search alsa | grep mixer
[15:25] <zipper> i have the package =P
[15:25] <zipper> alsa-utils
[15:25] <milko_> hmmm
[15:25] <milko_> may be, you must to reinstall it?
[15:25] <zipper> else i would get an error about alsamixer not being found...
[15:25] <milko_> may be, you`r installation not so good?
[15:25] <milko_> hmmm
[15:26] <bobJR> ok dl skype right now thanks  synnz
[15:26] <milko_> try to reinstall it, also...
 may be, you`r installation not so good?
[15:27] <milko_> which distro you`re use?
[15:27] <zipper> cmon....
[15:27] <milko_> o_O what?
[15:27] <dharmesh> hi
[15:27] <milko_> hi
[15:29] <zipper> When i try to run 'alsamixer' i get this error: alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: No such file or directory - any hints?
[15:32] <milko_> google can help u )
[15:32] <Pici> milko_: This is a support channel, people are here to get answers, not to be told to go to google to get them.
[15:33] <milko_> ok )
[15:34] <Pici> milko_: #kubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-offtopic are available if you just want to chat, :)
[15:34] <milko_> ok..
[15:35]  * milko_ leave, bye...
[15:46] <bazhang> having trouble with kmix; the sound is either set very low or at 100% and alsamixer spits out an error when run from the terminal
[15:53] <zipper> I'm having some trouble adjusting the volume with kmix. When i try to move the slider, it just jumps right back to 100% or 0% volume. I get errors when i'm trying to run alsamixer. Fresh install of kubuntu 8.04 on an Asus A6Rp laptop with a realtek ALC660 soundcard.
[16:13] <Rioting_pacifist> is it possible to launch a program in its own instance of X
[16:15] <dr_Willis> Rioting_pacifist,  yes. I can think of several ways to do that.
[16:15] <dr_Willis> Easiest . make a specific  session.desktop for it to appear at  the KDM screen.
[16:15] <zipper> I'm having some trouble adjusting the volume with kmix. When i try to move the slider, it just jumps right back to 100% or 0% volume. I get errors when i'm trying to run alsamixer. Fresh install of kubuntu 8.04 on an Asus A6Rp laptop with a realtek ALC660 soundcard.
[16:16] <kalorin> zipper: you've got digital volume syndrome :)
[16:16] <zipper> =|
[16:18] <Rioting_pacifist> dr_Willis: im trying to run a game in gdb, vut have the game in an X instance but the gdb either in a console or a 'safe' X session, is that possible? i dont think a desktop session would do that?
[16:42] <install> ))
[16:49] <compilerwriter> Seems rather quite
[16:49] <compilerwriter> quiet rather
[16:49] <Githzerai> compilerwriter: or just maybe... :)
[16:55] <ubunturos> why do I have such big lags on freenode now?
[16:57] <ubunturos> ah, now the lag has reduced.
[16:57] <Dr_willis_> too many campers , gold farming the servers...  :P
[16:58] <ubunturos> gold farming or gold mining? Or do the mean the same?
[16:58] <ubunturos> s/the/they
[16:58] <Dr_willis_> :)
[16:59] <Dr_willis_> its all the same to me.. :P
[16:59] <Dr_willis_> IRC - the ultimate MMORPG.
[16:59] <ubunturos> argh! I can't recall what the first three letters stand for.
[17:00] <ubunturos> . . . Role Playing Game
[17:00] <Schorfi> Mega Man
[17:08] <aspirin_> hi all
[17:14] <mika__> if i wanna start something automatically i put something to users .kde/Autostart folder....BUT if i want that to happen globally everybody. where i have to put my *.sh file?
[17:17] <dejson> hello
[17:17] <dejson> to everzone
[17:18] <dejson> grh
[17:19] <dejson> i just installed fglrx driver on kubuntu and kdetv doesnt work
[17:19] <jussi01> !bum | mika__
[17:24] <beagleburt> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:39] <MasterPaco> hey
[17:51] <jonathan_> hello!
[17:52] <jonathan_> i've a big problem!
[17:52] <jonathan_> i reinstalled the xorg-fglrx-driver and now all window decorations disappeared...
[17:52] <jonathan_> what's the command to fix this? :(
[17:55] <mika__> hmm... rc.local wont do the trick.  i want my script to start when user logs in KDE
[17:55] <mika__> (to all users globally)
[17:56] <mika__> i tryed /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession, but that didn't help....
[17:57] <Dr_willis_> that not what rc.local is for.
[17:57] <Dr_willis_> use the users Autostart directory
[17:57] <Dr_willis_> !autostart
[17:58] <mika__> dr_willis? so i have to put my script to every users AUTOSTART? i want to put it to one place where it will do same.....
[17:59] <Jucato> mika__: read the doc :)
[18:00] <Dr_willis_> mika__,  you could make a link.. what if a user decides to not use kde?
[18:00] <Dr_willis_> you could also edit the kde.desktop file that gets ran by kdm., and have it run some other script. then launch kde.
[18:01] <Dr_willis_> depends on exactly what you are trying to run.
[18:01]  * Jucato points to $KDEDIR/share/autostart though...
[18:01] <Dr_willis_> Never noticed that one Jucato
[18:02] <Dr_willis_> its not /share/Autostart? :)
[18:02] <Jucato> Dr_willis_:  <Jucato> mika__: read the doc :) so that goes for you as well :P
[18:02] <Jucato> nope. there's a difference (other than just locations)
[18:02] <Dr_willis_> Phhhhhhhht. :)
[18:02] <Dr_willis_> Im not even using kde. :P
[18:03] <Jucato> touché :)
[18:03] <Jucato> (but then again, since you're in #kubuntu, knowing about KDE stuff would help a lot :P
[18:03] <Jucato> )
[18:03] <Jucato> (seem to have dropped that closing parenthesis)
[18:04] <mika__> well actually it would be better if my script starts same time when people are logging in :)
[18:04] <mika__> because everybody aren't using kde :D haha...
[18:05] <mika__> isn't...
[18:05] <mika__> my english so perfect :D hahah
[18:05] <Jucato> well then you'd have to find a more general (lower level) way to do that
[18:05] <mika__> rc.local is too low...ipcheck won't start there....
[18:06] <Jucato> hm.. logging in...  not logging in graphically or even in a login shell?
[18:07] <Jucato> this is the only clue I can see: http://docs.kde.org/kde3/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2559604
[18:07] <Jucato> (which mentions Xsession, which you already tried..)
[18:07] <itscodyxx> hello
[18:08] <itscodyxx> I am having a problem in regards to KDE menu editor.
[18:08] <itscodyxx> I was attempting to edit my menu selections, and this is the message that I receieved
[18:08] <itscodyxx> Menu changes could not be saved because of the following problem: Could not write to /home/itscodyxx/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[18:08] <mika__> jucato yep...hmm....well i try to think of something....
[18:17] <SpazMarine> simple question
[18:17] <SpazMarine> how do you change window managers?
[18:18] <dr_Willis> SpazMarine,  install others.. at the kdm login screen theres a 'sessions' menu item
[18:18] <SpazMarine> because i cant figure out how to change from default to Emerald
[18:18] <dr_Willis> unless you are refering to compiz
[18:18] <SpazMarine> ooooooooo
[18:18] <dr_Willis> :)
[18:18] <dr_Willis> !compiz
[18:18] <SpazMarine> yeah i done that
[18:18] <SpazMarine> now i need to change the look with a emerald theme
[18:18] <dr_Willis> emerald is the 'window decorator' part of compiz,
[18:19] <SpazMarine> yeah
[18:19] <dr_Willis> you start emerald with 'emerald --replace' i belive
[18:19] <dr_Willis> There was a compiz wiki page that detailed this. but the bot no longer mentions the url. :(
[18:19] <SpazMarine> sounds too easy to be true but ill try it
[18:19] <dr_Willis> You can use one of 3 'window decorators' ,  the kde one, the gnome one, and emerald.
[18:20] <SpazMarine> ..........
[18:20] <SpazMarine> IT WORKED!
[18:20]  * SpazMarine kisses Dr.Willis
[18:21] <SpazMarine> oky qvestion numero dose
[18:22] <SpazMarine> KBFX start menu
[18:22] <SpazMarine> how can i activate it?
[18:22] <SpazMarine> kbfx--replace?
[18:22] <dr_Willis> No idea.
[18:23] <SpazMarine> fudge
[18:23] <dr_Willis> Its a panel widget i thought.
[18:23] <SpazMarine> .........
[18:23] <SpazMarine> really?
[18:25] <itscodyxx> I was attempting to edit my menu selections, and this is the message that I receieved
[18:25] <itscodyxx> 	
[18:25] <itscodyxx> 	Menu changes could not be saved because of the following problem: Could not write to /home/itscodyxx/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[18:26] <SpazMarine> Dr. Willis is epic win
[18:26] <SpazMarine> indeed the KBFX is a applet
[18:26] <SpazMarine> ive been tryingto fix it all week
[18:28] <SpazMarine> where do you set up sessions? at login?
[18:30] <TheFuzzball> I am building kdesupport from trunk and I get the message "WARNING: you are using the obsolete 'PKGCONFIG' macro use FindPkgConfig" quite a lot. What do I need to do to correct this?
[18:32] <newbember> !ru
[18:32] <snirp> newby question: I am trying to edit "/etc/apt/sources.list". It is apparent that i need sudo to edit it. What is the command? In gnome it would be:[sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list]...
[18:33] <TheFuzzball> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:33] <snirp> thx
[18:33] <TheFuzzball> or sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to do it inside of the terminal
[18:34] <snirp> have no kwrite... is there no command for kate?
[18:34] <snirp> or i will get kwrite...
[18:35] <TheFuzzball> sudo foo /etc/apt/sources.list, change foo to whatever you want to edit the file with
[18:36] <snirp> keeps claiming the command is not found...
[18:37] <snirp> works with nano, but that is scary. Something wrong with sudo? It gives an error at boot
[18:38] <snirp> [kate] works, [sudo kate] does not
[18:38] <kkathman> snirp:  use kdesu kate
[18:39] <snirp> that seems to work, thx! what was wrong?
[18:39] <snirp> darn, again "command not found"
[18:40] <TheFuzzball> sudo probably can't access Xorg
[18:40] <TheFuzzball> wait, command not found?
[18:40] <snirp> yep
[18:40] <TheFuzzball> try sudo /usr/bin/kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:41] <snirp> sudo: /usr/bin/kwrite: command not found
[18:41] <ubuntu__> hi im new to ubuntu linux and i wanna know why compiz dosent star when i double click on
[18:42] <ubuntu__> is there anyone who can help me out
[18:42] <TheFuzzball> snirp, try kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:43] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, from a console run compiz --replace
[18:43] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, be ready with a kwin --replace if everything goes to pot
[18:43] <ubuntu__> ok and what is a console is it like a terminal
[18:43] <snirp> TheFuzzball: command not found.
[18:44] <TheFuzzball> snirp, cd /usr/bin && ls
[18:44] <snirp> TheFuzzball: can I find the KdeSu error somewhere in a boot-log?
[18:44] <TheFuzzball> snirp, no, I doubt it
[18:44] <snirp> no kate
[18:45] <snirp> there
[18:45] <snirp> shall i locate it?
[18:45] <ubuntu__> command not found
[18:45] <TheFuzzball> snirp, sudo apt-get -y install kubuntu-desktop kate
[18:46] <snirp> TheFuzzball: it is somewhere on my filesystem...
[18:46] <ubuntu__> so I'll guess i should return to OS X   instead
[18:46] <ubuntu__> think linux is not fir me
[18:46] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, did compiz not run?
[18:46] <snirp> usr/lib/kde4/bin
[18:47] <ubuntu__> nope at all
[18:47] <snirp> can i tell sudo to go and look there?
[18:47] <TheFuzzball> snirp, your using kde4?
[18:47] <snirp> yep, should have told you?
[18:47] <TheFuzzball> snirp, yes :)
[18:47] <snirp> ok, sry
[18:47] <luca_b> snirp: tip: using "whereis <command>" in a terminal helps locating commands that reside in your path
[18:47] <snirp> can i tell sudo to look there as well?
[18:47] <TheFuzzball> snirp, sudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:48] <snirp> ok, and permanently?
[18:48] <TheFuzzball> snirp, add /usr/lib/kde4/bin to your PATH
[18:48] <snirp> ehm, i am newb
[18:48] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, you installed it right?
[18:48] <luca_b> TheFuzzball: the PATH should be adjusted if one is inside KDE4 already
[18:49] <TheFuzzball> luca_b, except it isn't.
[18:49] <snirp> how do i edit path? The file opens by the way, problem solved for now
[18:49] <ubuntu__> well in fact i did go to add and remove application click on compiz to install it but when it tels me to double click once the installation is done  nothing happen
[18:49] <snirp> n.m. i will look it up
[18:49] <ubuntu__> yeah
[18:50] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, It's a tiny bit more complicated than that, even window$ doesn't do that
[18:50] <ubuntu__> yeah I'noticed
[18:51] <ubuntu__> well in fact ussually im running on mac os x
[18:51] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, You'll need a pretty good computer to emulate Compiz
[18:51] <jonathan_> hello! can someone tell me what the default window decorator for kde is?
[18:52] <jonathan_> the one in kubuntu
[18:52] <ubuntu__> well the one im using right now is a dell inpiron 6400
[18:52] <byk> #kubunu-pl
[18:52] <itscodyxx> okay another problem
[18:52] <TheFuzzball> jonathan_, kwin
[18:53] <jonathan_> thanks :)
[18:53] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, are you sure that computer has a good enough graphics card?
[18:53] <itscodyxx> I am attempting to extract flash player 9 into my /opt folder, and it is stating that I cannot write in such a folder.
[18:53] <itscodyxx> Official text:
[18:53] <ubuntu__> yeah it work once and the   none
[18:53] <ubuntu__>  and then i mean
[18:53] <byk> #linux-pl
[18:54] <TheFuzzball> itscodyxx, do you have the necessary permissions?
[18:54] <ubuntu__> i did get the 3 d effect and all the shit goin on  but   now   nothing at all
[18:54] <itscodyxx> I believe so.
[18:54] <itscodyxx> How would I check?
[18:55] <TheFuzzball> itscodyxx, sudo chown username -R /opt && chmod -R 775 /opt
[18:55] <ubuntu__> maybe it miss a library
[18:55] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, You said you had it working?
[18:56] <ubuntu__> yeah
[18:56] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, this is the same install?
[18:56] <ubuntu__> well kind of   but let me tell you this
[18:56] <itscodyxx> okay, I ran this command and a password prompt in Konsole just appeared. I attempt to type in my password, but nothing appears in the password promp in the Terminal Window
[18:57] <TheFuzzball> itscodyxx, It's ok, it does that so people don't count how many characters are in your password
[18:57] <ubuntu__>   nevermind
[18:58] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, try reinstalling compiz
[18:58] <ubuntu__> just because im running in virtual boot
[18:58] <Sid> hey i have recently installed gran paradiso.... when i try to access a site, it shows me message that i need to install jre...however, i see that i have already installed jre6...whats missing?
[18:58] <ubuntu__>  on  a live cd
[18:58] <itscodyxx> well, I typed my password, and this is what occurred
[18:58] <itscodyxx> Password: Sorry, try again. Password:
[18:59] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, hmm, none for your environment sounds ideal for running Compiz
[18:59] <TheFuzzball> itscodyxx, you typed it wrong, do it again :)
[18:59] <ubuntu__> well it did
[18:59] <ubuntu__> trust me it did
[19:00] <TheFuzzball> ubuntu_, reinstall and do what you did before to get it working.
[19:00] <helpthisnoobie> hello everyone
[19:00] <TheFuzzball> hello
[19:00] <helpthisnoobie> I need some help with kubuntu 7.10 install
[19:01] <snirp> TheFuzzball: Did a symbolic link to kate. Slowly getting past the newby stage...
[19:01] <itscodyxx> I typed the password in Konsole. After doing so, my Konsole window says <Finished>, and I am unable to type any command
[19:01] <TheFuzzball> snirp, why symlink?
[19:01] <ubuntu__> is there a french chat in there
[19:01] <helpthisnoobie> i've been searching thru the web for intructions on how to do it...but i have found instructions for 8.04 only....
[19:01] <itscodyxx> wait nevermind
[19:01] <ubuntu__> like a french canadian channel
[19:01] <snirp> oh well, 1. it works
[19:02] <tictric> !fr
[19:02] <TheFuzzball> itscodyxx, ctrl + c
[19:02] <snirp> 2. no tempering woth path while kde4.1 is installing
[19:02] <snirp> with
[19:02] <helpthisnoobie> im to the point of preparing the disk space....
[19:02] <helpthisnoobie> I want to run a dual boot system
[19:02] <TheFuzzball> helpthisnoobie, why do you not want to use 8.04?
[19:03] <SpazMarine> 8.04 is alright for me
[19:03] <SpazMarine> and im a total idiot
[19:03] <tictric> !install | SpazMarine
[19:03] <helpthisnoobie> its not that i dont want to use it...I have the live cd for 7.10  and it will take a while to d/l 8.04
[19:03] <SpazMarine> ah
[19:03] <itscodyxx> okay, I am typed in the command, and here is what it happening
[19:03] <snirp> helpthisnoobie: i advise on 8.04 too
[19:03] <SpazMarine> yeah
[19:03] <TheFuzzball> helpthisnoobie, on the avg broadband connection it takes an hour
[19:03] <byk> #ubuntu-pl
[19:04] <SpazMarine> i havent even touched the terminal once and i managed to get everything going
[19:04] <snirp> helpthisnoobie: i went through both, and hardware support was better for me on 8.04
[19:04] <itscodyxx> itscodyxx@linux-pwnz:~$ sudo chown itscodyxx -R /opt
[19:04] <itscodyxx> itscodyxx@linux-pwnz:~$ sudo chown itscodyxx -R /opt
[19:04] <itscodyxx> itscodyxx@linux-pwnz:~$
[19:04] <SpazMarine> its work waiting for the download
[19:04] <SpazMarine> worth*
[19:04] <helpthisnoobie> and I cant upgrade it later
[19:04] <helpthisnoobie> or is it much better to just d/l
[19:05] <TheFuzzball> helpthisnoobie, It is better to download it
[19:05] <zipper> you can upgrade to newer versions, but you're likely to get problems
[19:05] <zipper> much better to just get the new cd, and do a clean install
[19:05] <SpazMarine> im just trying to get it to look like the die hard 4.0 theme the kid in the film had
[19:05] <helpthisnoobie> well I trying to get a dual boot and it looks like it will work
[19:06] <SpazMarine> the is the first os i ever got to dual boot
[19:06] <SpazMarine> only on 8.04 though
[19:07] <helpthisnoobie> i just thought it might be easier to install this and then upgrade than to d/l and wait for an hour
[19:07] <itscodyxx> Like, it will do nothing just prompt another empty command line
[19:07] <SpazMarine> hmmm...
[19:07] <SpazMarine> i heard upgrading on ubuntu is a bit shaky
[19:08] <tictric> SpazMarine: Sometimes it's better if you have some experience ;)
[19:08] <tictric> Advanced user I might say
[19:08] <snirp> <helpthisnoobie: no offense, you just spent 15 mins of thje hour here receiving the same arguements
[19:08] <SpazMarine> yeah......... i dont think id try it
[19:09] <snirp> again no offense ;-)
[19:09] <jonathan_> hello!
[19:09] <jonathan_> i reinstalled the fglrx-driver for my ati-card and now, for any reason, my windows decorator got lost.
[19:10] <helpthisnoobie> yeah i guess ur right
[19:10] <zipper> [20:08] <tictric> SpazMarine: Sometimes it's better if you have some experience ;)
[19:10] <zipper> i agree it might work, but it being better?
[19:10] <SpazMarine> ......... there is one other way
[19:10] <snirp> oh noobie: you have the choice between 4.0 and 3.5.9
[19:10] <snirp> kde
[19:10] <SpazMarine> back up the packages you want with.........
[19:10] <jonathan_> and everytime i try "kwin --replace" (don't matter whether i type this in the konsole or in recovery mode etc.) i get the message "cannot connect to xserver"
[19:11] <nouveau_sous_ubu> francais
[19:11] <snirp> get some advise here which is best, i dunno yet
[19:11] <SpazMarine> APTonCD you might wanna look at
[19:11] <jonathan_> does anyone know what's the problem?
[19:11] <SpazMarine> backs up all your packages
[19:11] <helpthisnoobie> ok now this is going is for a laptop with 256mb RAM...i should dl the alternate cd or the main cd
[19:11] <nouveau_sous_ubu> ca parles tu francais
[19:12] <SpazMarine> alternate
[19:12] <beagleburt> helpthisnoobie - make sure you use "md5sum" to check integrity of download
[19:12] <nouveau_sous_ubu> i need a french canadian channel
[19:12] <tictric> !fr | nouveau_sous_ubu
[19:13] <itscodyxx> okay, I fixed the problem. Basically, I went into KUser, edited the root password settings. Before I ran the command, I set it to run as root.
[19:13] <itscodyxx> Beautiful. Thank you very much for the help.
[19:14] <snirp> ehm, just suppose i accidentally used the alternate (on a new system)... Does it perform any less now? Than the regular. Just suppose. Any way to fix it?
[19:14] <beatriz_> hola
[19:14] <beatriz__> hola
[19:14] <snirp> To be honest i guess i did
[19:15] <snirp> anyone?
[19:15] <beatriz__> ubottu
[19:15] <beatriz__> 333
[19:15] <helpthisnoobie> md5sum is wat
[19:16] <snirp> checks integrity of download
[19:16] <tictric> beatriz__: buscas un channel español? :)
[19:16] <beatriz__> #UBUNTU ESPAÑA
[19:16] <helpthisnoobie> can it be used on windows
[19:16] <tictric> !es
[19:17] <beagleburt> helpthisnoobie - yes
[19:17] <beagleburt> helpthisnoobie - Google - 1st try Wikipedia
[19:17] <helpthisnoobie> Im talking about md5sum
[19:18] <Guest79919> hi
[19:18] <snirp> so are we
[19:18] <helpthisnoobie> will it run on windows
[19:18] <snirp> some are just talking spanish
[19:18] <helpthisnoobie> cause im doing a dual boot
[19:18] <helpthisnoobie> gotta keep windows for my wife
[19:18] <snirp> http://www.google.nl/search?q=md5sum+windows&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[19:18] <beagleburt> helpthisnoobie - easy to do on Linux but you can DL free programs that will werk on Windoze
[19:18] <tictric> !dualboot | helpthisnoobie
[19:19] <miguelinux> i was thinking on installing kubuntu on my girlfriend's PC
[19:19] <tictric> helpthisnoobie: please read that
[19:19] <snirp> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[19:19] <snirp> that should do it\
[19:19] <miguelinux> i know it's not LTS, but will it recieve base security  updates like ubuntu??
[19:19] <helpthisnoobie> ok thanx..currently dl 8.04 will stay hereand get back to u if neccesary
[19:20] <byk> #ubuntu-pl
[19:22] <miguelinux> does anybody know if ubuntu's base security updates for Hardy LTS will also apply for kubuntu?
[19:22] <miguelinux> you know, they share the repos after all
[19:22] <Dr_willis_> i would think they would.
[19:22] <miguelinux> ah, thanks
[19:22] <Dr_willis_> i dont really see how they couldent. :)
[19:23] <miguelinux> i don't think my GF will like to update her kubuntu after 18 months
[19:23] <Dr_willis_> a year and a half is a long time
[19:23] <miguelinux> well, it is for me
[19:23] <miguelinux> but it will be her first linux
[19:23] <miguelinux> so i'm not 100% sure
[19:23] <miguelinux> and she's on dial-up
[19:23] <Dr_willis_> In 'theory' you just use the package manager and upgrade/update. and it does it
[19:24] <Dr_willis_> Nothing will force her to update. I imagine
[19:24] <miguelinux> only security holes ;-)
[19:24] <miguelinux> although KDE doesn't really have many security updates, does it?
[19:25] <Dr_willis_> Ubuntu tends to have only afew updates after release.. they just released the 8.4.1 images. that rolled all updates into the cd image I belive
[19:25] <Dr_willis_> The kubuntu 8.4.1 i imagine is out somewhere also.
[19:25] <Dr_willis_> I havent looked. :)
[19:25] <miguelinux> it is
[19:26] <miguelinux> link to kubuntu 8.04.1 is http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/
[19:27] <miguelinux> the best thing is these images have tons of updates already applied, so no need to download heavy kernels or openoffices
[19:28] <Dr_willis_> yep
[19:29] <Dr_willis_> Ive been using that Mint Linux mainly on my machines the last few months..
[19:29] <miguelinux> mmm, i'm getting great download speeds right now, so please, nobody download kubuntu now :p
[19:29] <miguelinux> just joking
[19:30] <Dr_willis_> during the release - the torrend download speeds were.. the fastest id ever downloaded anything. :)
[19:30] <netix> hellow
[19:30] <Nece228> miguelinux: haha XD but you should post this in #kubuntu-offtopic
[19:30] <miguelinux> oh, sorry
[19:30] <miguelinux> I'm a noob in IRC
[19:30] <netix> i have problem with my sound, when i play some mp3 song it sounds very very lagy..
[19:32] <netix> sound dosnt lisen slow but somthong laggy also is together with sound
[19:32] <netix> ..am is somone here?
[19:32] <netix> nicht sprehen?
[19:33] <jussi01> netix: yes
[19:33] <Dr_willis_> Yes. and i have no clue as to the sound problem
[19:33] <BBM-5> n'abend
[19:33] <netix> jussi01:can u help me
[19:33] <jussi01> netix: you may also want to ask in #kubuntu-de
[19:33] <netix> no i dont speak well
[19:33] <netix> in german
[19:34] <jussi01> netix: which sound card?
[19:34] <netix> so can jussi01 and Dr_willis_ help me?
[19:34] <jussi01> (use lspci in terminal to find out)
[19:35] <Dr_willis_> --->  and i have no clue as to the sound problem
[19:35] <netix>  Neomagic Corporation NM2360 [MagicMedia 256ZX Audio]
[19:36] <jussi01> the only thing I can suggest is:
[19:36] <jussi01> !sound
[19:37] <netix> please not again this bot, can you help me step by step i am new in linux
[19:37] <netix> can be problem computer speed?
[19:39] <netix> jussi01
[19:39] <jussi01> netix: I dont know the answer.
[19:39] <BBM-5> mal ne frage: wie ändere ich die versions nummer eines installierten paketes?
[19:40] <Nece228> netix: whats your cpu speed?
[19:40] <jussi01> BBM-5: english only in here please
[19:40] <tictric> !de | BBM-5
[19:40] <Dr_willis_> sound troubleshooting can be trivial, or impossible.
[19:40] <BBM-5> oh sry wrong channel i thought its the german
[19:40] <BBM-5> well then
[19:40] <netix> !lv
[19:40] <netix> !eu
[19:40] <netix> !noob sphct
[19:40] <Nece228> netix: dont play with bot
[19:40] <netix> ok ok
[19:40] <BBM-5> i need to change the version number of an installed package
[19:42] <miguelinux> good luck to everybody
[19:42] <miguelinux> bye
[19:47] <ipezzei> hi people
[19:49] <ubuntu___> i tried to upgrade to hardy from fiesty by live cd. it rebooted and said grub error 15. any help?
[19:50] <Nece228> netix: when i want download a deb package in konqueror
[19:50] <BBM-5> i need to change the version number of an installed package
[19:50] <Nece228> i click on download but it dont shows me to save or open file, it just opens it with kate
[19:50] <Nece228> how to fix that?
[19:50] <ipezzei> Nece228 firefox?
[19:51] <Nece228> no firefox please
[19:51] <Nece228> i wanna use konqueror
[19:51] <tictric> BBM-5: ???
[19:52] <ubuntu___> i tried to upgrade to hardy from fiesty by live cd. it rebooted and said grub error 15. any help?
[19:52] <ubuntu___> i tried to upgrade to hardy from fiesty by live cd. it rebooted and said grub error 15. any help?
[19:53] <BBM-5> there is a package with the version number 0.4.2 but i want it to be 0.4.3 beacause there is an update to 0.4.3 but this version doesn't work
[19:53] <Dr_willis_> I dident even think the live cd could do an upgrade...
[19:54] <tictric> BBM-5: you want me to guess what package you are talking about?
[19:55] <ipezzei> ubuntu___ wrong root partition?
[19:55] <ubuntu___> Dr_willis_:  ipezzei  i didnt upgraded it. i checked the formate box of my previous ext3 sda6 that is. fresh install.
[19:56] <Nece228> oh wait, after i did updates to kubuntu 8.04.1 that problem gone
[19:56] <ubuntu___> Nece228:  talking to me?
[19:56] <Nece228> ubuntu___: no
[19:56] <ipezzei> ubuntu___ the error means: file not found
[19:57] <ubuntu___> Dr_willis_:  ipezzei  btw, how can i just formate the sda6 first. any app that can do it?
[19:57] <Dr_willis_> So you did a clean install then...
[19:57] <ubuntu___> ipezzei:  why
[19:57] <ubuntu___> Dr_willis_:  ya
[19:57] <Dr_willis_> gparted can format/partition all you could want..
[19:57] <BBM-5> f-spot q tictric
[19:57] <BBM-5> @ tictric
[19:58] <ipezzei> ubuntu___ gparted or the "gparted boot disk" ;)
[19:58] <ubuntu___> k
[19:58] <ubuntu___> why i get the grub error..
[19:59] <tictric> BBM-5: I for one use aptitude. So:
[19:59] <tictric> sudo aptitude
[19:59] <Nece228> ubuntu___: whats the grub error code?
[19:59] <tictric> then hit 'U'
[19:59] <Ukonpoika> Hi, a little problem here. Using Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3.5.9. I'm trying to extract musicfiles from a cd to my collection. Problem is that the cd contains a video-file, so Kubuntu refuses to read the musicfiles, all I see is the vidfile. :( Any help would be great.
[20:00] <tictric> then hit 'shift-U'
[20:00] <ipezzei> ubuntu___ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43591 an (old) post but an example of a cause
[20:00] <tictric> then hit 'G' twice
[20:00] <tictric> done
[20:00] <ubuntu___> Nece228:  15
[20:00] <tictric> everything updated
[20:00] <evan__> hey is it true when installing ubuntu there are only 2 needed updates?
[20:00] <tictric> not only f-spot
[20:00] <evan__> ubuntu / kubuntu
[20:00] <ubuntu___> evan__:  kubuntu
[20:00] <ubuntu___> kde 4 remix...
[20:01] <ubuntu___> evan__:  ipezzei  Nece228  kde4 remix
[20:01] <ipezzei> ubuntu___ ??
[20:01] <BBM-5> thanks tictric it updated to 0.4.3 which doesnt work ...
[20:01] <evan__> ubuntu___:  what are you tryng to say?
[20:01] <ubuntu___> ipezzei:  i have that i mean
[20:01] <ubuntu___> evan__:
[20:01] <ubuntu___> ^
[20:02] <tictric> BBM-5: so you want back to 0.4.2
[20:02] <BBM-5> wait
[20:02] <BBM-5> the bug disappeared
[20:02] <BBM-5> don't ask me why
[20:02] <evan__> ubuntu___: i dont understand i asked if it where true if i installed kubuntu i only had to update 2 packages ?
[20:02] <tictric> BBM-5: Just a normal miracle
[20:02] <tictric> we got that all the time
[20:03] <Nece228> ubuntu___: wait a sec im searching for solution
[20:03] <BBM-5> i wnated to stay at 0.4.2 and prohibite (i hope its the right word) the update to 0.4.3
[20:04] <c0m4r> hi
[20:05] <c0m4r> after installation of ubuntu games are installed by default?
[20:05] <c0m4r> and what about FX3
[20:06] <Dr_willis_> fx3?
[20:06] <c0m4r> firefox?
[20:07] <c0m4r> so?
[20:07] <Dr_willis_> !firefox
[20:07] <Dr_willis_> firefox is in the repos..
[20:07] <Dr_willis_> !info firefox
[20:07] <Haza> Evening folks. Ive had this problem before and i canoot remember how to fix it. My Adept manager DB is locked and thus i cannot install any new software.
[20:07] <c0m4r> I meant default browser
[20:09] <Nece228> ubuntu___: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297261
[20:09] <ubuntu___> Nece228:  OK
[20:09] <Nece228> ubuntu___: this may fix that
[20:10] <p2p> hello
[20:10] <p2p> what is the command for purging a package with configuration files also?
[20:11] <ere4si> apt-get remove --purge
[20:11] <Dr_willis_> apt-get remove --purge (i think)
[20:11] <tictric> p2p: meanwhile there's even apt-get purge <package> iirc
[20:11] <p2p> thanks a lot
[20:11] <ubuntu___> WHICH partitions type is better for linux. ext3 or  any other?
[20:12] <Dr_willis_> if you have no special needs. use ext3
[20:12] <ubuntu___> Dr_willis_:  WHAT KIND OF SPECIAL NEEDS
[20:13] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu___,  are you running a large multi TB fileserver?  or somthing unusual? proberly not.. :)
[20:14] <Dr_willis_> so  use ext3
[20:14] <ubuntu___> Dr_willis_:  I PLAN TO HAVE WEBSERVER.
[20:14] <BBM-5> tictric: if i still want to stay with 0.4.2 despite my sstem wanting an update, what can i do
[20:14] <Dr_willis_> a webserver is not  that special. :) unless you are going to run somting really big..
[20:15] <ubuntu___> Dr_willis_:  ISNT EXT3 GOOD FOR BIG THINGS?
[20:15] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu___,   theres big files, vs lots of little files,  vs lots of file access/creation. some fs's are a little better at some of these tasks then others.
[20:15] <Dr_willis_> When in doubt stick with ext3
[20:16] <ubuntu___> OK
[20:17] <ubuntu___> -THANKS ALL.
[20:17] <ipezzei> ubuntu___ ext3 is the standard. Reiserfs is also good but i wouldn't rely on it...
[20:18] <kakoonia> !skype
[20:18] <kakoonia> hmm
[20:18] <kakoonia> i cant find skype on repos for 8.04 (kde)
[20:19] <kakoonia> any alternative?
[20:19] <Dr_willis_> its in the mediabuntu repos
[20:19] <Dr_willis_> or get it from the skype homapage
[20:19] <Dr_willis_> !skype
[20:19] <kakoonia> how can i add mediabuntu to my repos list?
[20:20] <Dr_willis_> !medibuntu
[20:20] <kakoonia> k
[20:20] <kakoonia> Cool
[20:20] <kakoonia> thanks dude.
[20:21] <senorpedro> hi folks
[20:21] <senorpedro> !mp3
[20:22] <daniele> !lista
[20:22] <MetaMorfoziS> Hi all
[20:23] <MetaMorfoziS> I wanted to enable HPET using the kernel line option hpet=force, but after the boot i get "Failed to force enable HPET" in the syslog
[20:23] <MetaMorfoziS> Is there anybody who can help me to debug this?
[20:23] <MetaMorfoziS> only 9 result in google for it
[20:23] <MetaMorfoziS> and seems noone helpful for
[20:23] <MetaMorfoziS> me
[20:24]  * Dr_willis_ has no idea what HPET is.
[20:24] <Dr_willis_> I got a Dog Pet. :)
[20:24] <MetaMorfoziS> High Precision Event Timer
[20:25] <Dr_willis_> perhaps thatfeature is not in the default kernel?
[20:25] <MetaMorfoziS> If i enable it, then my cpu can sleep more time and can consume less power
[20:25] <MetaMorfoziS> it's here, but not enabled by default just on the whitelisted machines
[20:25] <MetaMorfoziS> the hpet=force overrides this
[20:26] <MetaMorfoziS> but for me looks it isn't works
[20:29] <jado> hello i have problems with amsn
[20:29] <BluesKaj> I've been trying to install the vesa graphics driver but the xserver-xorg utility doesn't have that option anymore , i have a screen that is totally desynched, so I just have a whole lot of horizontal angles coloured bars like the out of kilter horizontal ctrl used to appear in old tv sets.
[20:29] <SirTrombaLot> hi all
[20:30] <SirTrombaLot> I LOVE THIS COMPANY
[20:30] <SirTrombaLot> cit. steve ballmer
[20:30] <SirTrombaLot> he was talking about linux
[20:30] <SirTrombaLot> come on laugh i'm a comic
[20:30] <ipezzei> SirTrombaLot why not? Pecunia non olet, said my ancients
[20:30] <SirTrombaLot> latin?
[20:30] <ipezzei> si
[20:31] <BluesKaj> SirTrombaLot:  when you come up with something humourous
[20:31] <sbriggi> what's up?
[20:32] <BluesKaj> I wonder if I installed kubuntu in windows with wubi if i could get access to the xorg.conf with a fix ?
[20:32] <sbriggi> nerver tried wubi
[20:33] <jado> i can't see the colors on the nicknames on amsn even though i have installed amsn-plus
[20:34] <cisco21> hi
[20:34] <BluesKaj> I just need to get the right graphics driver installed , even the vesa driver would be a help cuz my screen is totally borked.
[20:34] <jussi01> BluesKaj: Id imagine so - wubi is just a way of putting a filesystem into a windows file
[20:34] <jussi01> if I understand it correctly
[20:35] <cisco21> hi
[20:37] <jado> hi
[20:37] <jado> i can't see the colors on the nicknames on amsn even though i have installed amsn-plus
[20:37] <jado> anyone ?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> jussi01:  dunno , there's gotta be a fix ...wonder what possesed the devs to delete the graphics driver options in xserver-xorg.conf in Hardy. It's really put me in a mess. The ATI rec'd driver is what did me in :(
[20:39] <BluesKaj> jado, check options/configure
[20:39] <jado> where ?
[20:39] <kkathman> hey BluesKaj :)
[20:39] <BluesKaj> amsn , where else
[20:41] <jado> preferences and then ?
[20:41] <c0m4r> how to install kde4?
[20:41] <Dr_willis_> !kde4
[20:42] <jado> sorry BluesKaj, i go in preferences, and then ?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis_: any ideaq how to get the veas driver installed using xserver-xorg ?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> vesa
[20:43] <Dr_willis_> BluesKaj,  not really. I thought it was in there by default as a failsafe driver
[20:43] <BluesKaj> I wish it was
[20:43] <Dr_willis_> xserver-xorg-video-vesa - X.Org X server -- VESA display driver
[20:44] <Dr_willis_> xserver-xorg-video-vga - X.Org X server -- VGA display driver
[20:45] <jussi01> BluesKaj: you can still add the old options - it recognises them
[20:46] <jado> you can't help ?
[20:46] <Githzerai> BluesKaj: xorg.conf type vesa for driver (or preinstalled, not propriatery, ati in your case)
[20:46] <Dr_willis_> ive changed 'ati' to 'vesa' befor on my oldlaptop
[20:47] <Githzerai> *preinstaled ati, not fglrx
[20:47] <jado> thanks ...
[20:58] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis_: I forgot the command for editing xorg.conf in the shell
[20:59] <jado> anyone for help ?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> or at the TTY prompt, even
[20:59] <jado> i can't have nick's colors
[21:00] <jado> on amsn even-though i have installed amsn-plus
[21:00] <BluesKaj> heh try irc on irssi , a grand total of 4 colours :)
[21:01] <jado> i'm talking about nick's colours on amsn
[21:02] <HighHo> jado: I suggest trying the #amsn channel or there forums.
[21:02] <jado> thanks
[21:06] <BluesKaj> tried sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf ..but there's no way of scrolling back to the text to edit it
[21:07] <HighHo> BluesKaj:  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[21:07] <BluesKaj> nano, yeah
[21:07] <BluesKaj> I think HighHo
[21:08] <BluesKaj> brb , let you know
[21:18] <jill> there are too many programs i install on K-menu->>Development (5 columns). How can i use scrolled menus in K-menu?
[21:20] <BluesKaj> ok, I've managed to add "vesa"as the driver , but now how do i save the changes ?
[21:20] <netix> is here anyone who now a lot about sound?
[21:20] <HighHo> jill: Im not sure how to give a scrolling menu if it doesnt by default, you could perhaps add sub menus using the menu editor
[21:21] <HighHo> BluesKaj: Ctrl + x
[21:21] <netix> is here anyone who now a lot about sound?
[21:21] <dr_Willis> egads.. you still fighting with sound? :)
[21:22] <dr_Willis> and No i dont know nothing.
[21:22] <jill> highho but if i uninstall any program my own menu item are stay here, am i right? like in windows?
[21:22] <BluesKaj> HighHo:  ok thx
[21:22] <mkquist> netix: u mean like it's our sensing of the vibrations put out by an object against the current atmosphere type of thing?
[21:22] <mkquist> =p
[21:23] <netix> mp3 dont work well but when i convert to wav it works perfect..
[21:23] <mkquist> netix: what do u mena dont work well?
[21:23] <uri> hello, help needed in installation! receive and error : unable to execute /bin/sh on installation
[21:23] <mkquist> mean*
[21:23] <HighHo> jill: The menus should update by themselfs when a program has been removed, even if you change the menu layout
[21:24] <jill> cool
[21:24] <netix> mkquist: cant explain it sounds like my computer are to slow
[21:24] <mkquist> netix: like the timing off right?
[21:25] <netix> timing?
[21:25] <jill> maybe i can download any alternative applet of K-menu?
[21:25] <mkquist> try reinstalling codecs and check which driver your system is using for your sound card?
[21:26] <jill> can i install gnome on kubuntu 8.04?
[21:27] <netix> there is one more problem i dont now how to do all thet you sad :)) ..i just start use kubuntu
[21:27] <HighHo> netix: make sure you have the libxine-ffmpeg package
[21:27] <netix> i have
[21:28] <netix> can u say maybe program are wrong?
[21:29] <netix> what program i need use?
[21:29] <HighHo> jill: Yes you can install gnome on kubuntu, installing the meta package - ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-minimal would be the easyest way
[21:30] <HighHo> netix: there are many programs amarok or Juk are 2 diffrent ones you can try
[21:30] <jill> highho is this apt-get install "ubuntu-desktop" command i need?
[21:31] <netix> thank you for some help..
[21:32] <HighHo> jill: Yes, it will give you a list of the packages it will install so you can make sure your happy them before accepting
[21:32] <mkquist> netix: check here for instructions on what I suggested - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[21:33] <jill> highho cool, eemmm.. if i use this command - ubuntu-desktop install will full?
[21:33] <netix> linux are a bit hard..
[21:33] <netix> :)
[21:35] <netix> why you use linux?
[21:35] <HighHo> jill: That will install the ubuntu  gnome desktop with almost all you should need.
[21:37] <FSHero> Hi ... can someone recommend a KDE-based rolling distro please?
[21:39] <dr_Willis> I dont find linux hard at all.
[21:39] <mkquist> netix: its 'a bit hard' cause ur not used to it, gets easier though... of course with use, but remember its free too  =)
[21:39] <dr_Willis> Troubleshooting windows problems.. now THAT canbe hard.
[21:39] <FSHero> dr_Willis: I thought you were a Linux expert... you've helped me out in the past! (Thx btw)
[21:40] <netix> dr_Willis: i dont troubleshoot win problems.. i just fix them :))
[21:40] <Agent_bob> netix you mean you remove windows from the system ?
[21:41]  * Agent_bob fixes windows problems that way too
[21:42] <netix> yes i remove from this one
[21:42] <netix> because i want try sothing new :)
[21:42] <netix> also Win was to slow for this computer
[21:42] <Agent_bob> :)
[21:43] <netix> i put on ubuntu and in next day kubuntu
[21:43] <netix> i like linux because its more like programming
[21:43] <Agent_bob> win95 is pretty fast.   it installs fast, it boots fast, it crashes fast....
[21:44] <netix> lol.. yes it does thet but i use xp on this on other i use vista but in linux you can edit lot of staff here
[21:44] <Agent_bob> FSHero care to repost your Q,  i might know something,  and i might not.
[21:45] <netix> edit easier as in windows because win needs acces registry anc it will be hack :D
[21:45] <Agent_bob> netix if you don't use "restricted" repository,  you can "edit everything"
[21:46] <Agent_bob> in linux  ^
[21:46] <netix> is there a way how to speed up linux?
[21:46] <netix> more like its now runing?
[21:46] <netix> this computer is so bad :)
[21:47] <Agent_bob> netix there are several tweeks yes.   the basic idea would be to turn off everything that is not needed.   the less the system is asked to do the faster it can do it
[21:48] <netix> can you say what i dnt need?
[21:49] <netix> these are some underground process?
[21:50] <Agent_bob> if [ `ps -A x | wc -l` -gt 45 ] ;then echo "something can surely be turned off here!" ;else echo "less than 40 processes running" ;fi
[21:53] <Agent_bob> netix pstree   and compair with the process table in system settings
[21:54] <netix> ok bye i need re maybe start we will se other day..
[21:54] <netix> with diferent name
[21:54] <Agent_bob> ok
[21:54] <Rioting_pacifist> does using lvm have any overhead? is it a CPU overhead or a disk access time over head or something else?
[21:55] <Agent_bob> Rioting_pacifist not a lot
[21:55] <Agent_bob> but yes
[21:55] <netix> so if you see SPhcT thets me
[21:55] <netix> bye
[21:56] <Agent_bob> cpu which equates to disk access time too  but not a lot.    negledgable in most cases
[21:57] <Rioting_pacifist> are there any circumstances where it would be noticable to have a partition in lvm, compiling lots? filesevers running on it? i have no reason to use LVM tbh but figured if in the future i wish to add a hdd id have to setup LVM now right?
[21:59] <Agent_bob> why would you need to setup lvm at all to add another hdd ?
[22:00] <Rioting_pacifist> if i have a /home partition and it fills up, i thought id need lvm to be able to plug a 2nd harddrive in and have that drives space added to /home, is there a better way to do it?
[22:01] <dr_Willis> install/partition/format/mount the new drive. and mount it as /home, or make a  'ExtraStorage' directory on it. and move some  of the users over to it..
[22:02] <dr_Willis>  depends on whats using all your space. :)
[22:02] <dr_Willis> Its not too hard to move home over to a new partition.
[22:02] <evan__> how can i change the background color of the menubar to transparent?
[22:03] <evan__> i ment the menubar's clock applet
[22:04] <p2p> hello
[22:05] <p2p> what wifi client is more confortabily with grafical interface? (like wlassistant)
[22:05] <Rioting_pacifist> evan__: if i set my pannel to be transparent all applets backgrounds go transparent perhaps set it to default color?
[22:05] <Agent_bob> Rioting_pacifist also as Dr_willis started, if it's just a matter of storage space it doesn't have to be in /home to be usable by all users.   one can   mkdir /storage ;mount /dev/hdx# /storage ;chmod 777 /storage  and every one on the system could then use it.  or if privacy is an issue you could give everyone subdirs as in /home so in /storage  and even symlink /home/$USER/storage /storage/$USER   for convienance.   also yes
[22:07] <Agent_bob> at any rate Rioting_pacifist learning lvm is probably a worth wile adventure.  :/
[22:08] <psyco> Does anyone here know why my glide wrapper shows up black?
[22:08] <Agent_bob> evan__ right click the clock and configure it
[22:09] <evan__> Agent_bob: its fixed thank
[22:09] <Rioting_pacifist> thx i think ill setup my roots on it but leave my /home on a single partition on a seperate driver so its easily recoverable, thx for help Agent_bob & dr_Willis.
[22:10] <Agent_bob> welcome
[22:10] <Rioting_pacifist> p2p: what do you mean in kde there is knetworkmanager to sort out wireless through NetworkManger, what are you looking for?
[22:10] <Rioting_pacifist> s/kde/kubuntu
[22:11] <beatriz> kubuntu español
[22:11] <beatriz> #kubuntu es
[22:11] <Agent_bob> !es
[22:13] <p2p> Rioting_pacifist it doesn't comunicates well with mi wifi interface, I don't know why
[22:13] <dr_Willis> I often just move specic users to what amounts to /home2 :) and link their dirs to /home/ they never see that they got moved
[22:13] <p2p> eth0 interface works well with that
[22:14] <Rioting_pacifist> p2p: are you sure your wireless is working, NetworkManager *should* work well with any card that has working drivers
[22:14] <senorpedro> !fritz
[22:14] <senorpedro> !fritz usb stick
[22:14] <senorpedro> !avm wlan usb stick
[22:15] <senorpedro> sorry ubottu
[22:15] <senorpedro> !avm
[22:15] <senorpedro> !wlan usb stick
[22:15] <p2p> yes, with wlassistant works well, but I don't like it
[22:15] <Rioting_pacifist> senorpedro: what are you looking for?
[22:15] <Agent_bob> dr_willis yeah that's probably the most simple add-on space setup   i'm still a little more partial to moving their storage area $HOME/docs or what ever, to a new drive
[22:16] <senorpedro> for howto/tutorial about getting the avm fritz box usb wlan stick to work
[22:16] <eram> hola
[22:16] <eram> alguien que hable espa;ol
[22:16] <Agent_bob> !es eram
[22:16] <Rioting_pacifist> usb+wifi+linux = bad, generally you can give google a shot but tbh the outlook is not good
[22:16] <Rioting_pacifist> !es
[22:16] <Agent_bob> !es | eram
[22:17] <dr_Willis> Agent_bob,  or i make /media/Morestoreage/BillsExtraSpace  :) then just let bill link that dir to his /home/bill/MoreSpace
[22:17] <Agent_bob> yeah that's what i'm saying. Dr_willis
[22:19] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro if there is one it will probably be linked here
[22:19] <Agent_bob> ubottu you've gone mad son.
[22:19] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro if there is one it will probably be linked here
[22:20] <Agent_bob> what in that string is tripping the bot ?
[22:20] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro
[22:20] <senorpedro> thx Agent_bob
[22:20] <Agent_bob> welcome
[22:20] <Agent_bob> !wifi | "senorpedro if there is one it will probably be linked here"
[22:21] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro 'if there is one it will probably be linked here'
[22:21] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro if there is one it will probably be
[22:21] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro there is one it will probably be linked here
[22:22] <Agent_bob> what happened to the bot ?     that's very un-ubotu like behaviour
[22:22] <Agent_bob> !botsnack | Agent_bob testing this
[22:23] <Agent_bob> !wifi | senorpedro 'if there * one it will probably be linked here'
[22:23] <Agent_bob> hah,  it's keying on the word   'is'
[22:24] <Agent_bob> i would think that the pipe would have caused it to stop parsing,   it seems that it should have but doesn't
[22:25]  * HighHo looks in the room, sees Agent bob tormenting the bot, then goes back to other things.
[22:25] <Agent_bob> it should treat "|" as if it were "| #" << OEF .* ;EOF
[22:25] <Agent_bob> HighHo i just found a bug in the new bot.
[22:25] <dr_Willis> file a bug report.
[22:25] <dr_Willis> :)
[22:25] <Agent_bob> :)
[22:26] <Agent_bob> i'd have to register
[22:26] <Agent_bob> not worth it.
[22:26] <dr_Willis> its amazing that with ktorrent i can grab some Disrto iso's at 1000+k/s :)
[22:27] <dr_Willis> KB/s :)  wonder if my isp will think im grabbing    videos again.. i NEVER get any other torrents near this fast.
[22:27] <Agent_bob> i only get 25x that disk>disk
[22:27] <dr_Willis> only Linux  ISO's  get torrent speeds this fast.
[22:28] <Agent_bob> maybe it's because that's what torrent was built for ?
[22:28] <Agent_bob> bit-torrent i should say
[22:29] <dr_Willis> could be the high # of seeders on many Linux torrents.  :)
[22:29] <dr_Willis> when ya got more seeders then leechers it helps. heh.
[22:30] <Agent_bob> again "[use inteneded = use attempted] && high performance || ?"
[22:32] <ahmos> hi, can i install kde3 with kde4 on kubuntu 8.04 together
[22:32] <Agent_bob> i have seen people try to overhaul an engine with wire pliers, but they usually do better at bending/cutting wire with them.
[22:32] <dr_Willis> ahmos,  yes you can.
[22:32] <ahmos> thank's
[22:32] <dr_Willis> !kde4
[22:32] <dr_Willis> You may end up with a lot of redundant icons in the menus for kde4 and kde3 apps..  Ive not messed with kde4 lately.
[22:33] <dr_Willis> Ive heard kde4 has been making good progress lately -  you may not want to mess with kde3
[22:33] <dr_Willis> or you may want to just insgtall specific kde3 apps
[22:33] <Agent_bob> or you may want to use twm
[22:33] <Agent_bob> :)
[22:34] <dr_Willis> I like 'jwm + rox
[22:34] <ahmos> thank u for the tips...and can i ask another question?
[22:34] <dr_Willis>  You just did.. care to ask a 3rd?
[22:34] <dr_Willis> :)
[22:34] <Agent_bob> jwm - Very small lightweight pure X11 window manager with tray and menus
[22:35] <Agent_bob> wow. i had it already, just never got around to looking at it.
[22:36] <dr_Willis> the jwm package. for some reason does not create a jwm.desktop file. so it dont make a entry in the kdm/gdm  sessions..
[22:36] <ahmos> my sound device is marked in gray color and it iand os telling me it is not available,and there is no sound
[22:36] <dr_Willis> at least it dident used to.. it may been fixed by now.
[22:38] <TrAndy> Hi all, this seems nasty on HH. 1.Boot into recovery mode; 2.lounch KDE3 and do nothing; 3.then normally reboot into 8.04 2.6.24-19-generic. Result is network down (must restart dbus to get it back) and if I connect a USB device it will be no more automounted (lsusb lists them correctly). Any clue where to look in the boot process to fix this?
[22:39] <Agent_bob> i'll have to down the rez  i can't read a thing in jwm
[22:39] <Agent_bob> doesn't look like the fontsel is working.
[22:40] <ahmos> so any help dr_willis
[22:41] <Agent_bob> TrAndy i wouldn't look in the boot process,  i'd look in /tmp and $HOME  for bad ownership
[22:42] <dr_Willis> I know very little about troubleshooting sound problems.
[22:43] <Agent_bob> TrAndy you can try this,   exit kde, press ctrl+alt+f1  login   issue this command " sudo rm -r /root /tmp ;sudo mkdir -p /root /tmp ;sudo chmod 1777 /tmp ;init 6 "
[22:43] <TrAndy> Agent_bob: Do you think starting KDE3 from the recovery-mode's cli will change ownerships?
[22:44] <helpthisnoobie> i may be on my way to doing my 1st install
[22:44] <ahmos> ok thank u alot
[22:44] <Agent_bob> TrAndy yep.
[22:45] <TrAndy> Agent_bob: OK, I'll get it a try.
[22:45] <Agent_bob> TrAndy if that's not sufficient to fix all issues  at any time/point issue this command "sudo chown $USER -R $HOME "
[22:45] <Agent_bob> TrAndy you should learn what each of those do, before you use them.
[22:46] <Agent_bob> NEVER blindly input commands you recieve on irc or any other source.
[22:47] <Agent_bob> man man    ;man rm    ;man mkdir    ;man chmod    ;man chown
[22:47] <TrAndy> Agent_bob: No problem, I'm aware of. Thanks. I must disconnect to try it now.
[22:47] <Agent_bob> k gl
[22:48] <SpeS> anyone has problems with nvidia 8600 GT and 4.1?
[22:48] <SpeS> agrh sorry, wrong channel :)
[22:50] <Agent_bob> The minimum memory requirement for Ubuntu 8.04 is 384MB  <<< can that possably be true ?   i can run dapper in 32m  and the installer on the liveCD will work in 192m.   have they really went that far away from usable ?
[22:51] <PhilRod> Agent_bob: you know memory usage depends entirely on your usage pattern and how much swapping you can endure
[22:53] <Agent_bob> PhilRod http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/ubuntu/  <<< says 256m required for "other installation methoods"
[22:54] <Agent_bob> i'm hopeing they are intentionaly exagerating it.
[22:55] <Agent_bob> PhilRod also as per your statement,  i don't use swap.
[22:56] <Agent_bob> Memory Used/Total Percent: 7/123 MB (5%)
[22:56] <Agent_bob> Swap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)
[22:57] <helpthisnoobie> i hope dats not true cause i want to install kubuntu 8.04 on my dell inspiron 1100  only 256 mb
[22:58] <Agent_bob> helpthisnoobie i hope with you.   seems like they are taking the M$ approach to things, "they can buy new hardware if they want to use our woftware"    which i despise with perfect hatred.
[22:59] <Agent_bob> three is no reason that the installer should take more ram each release.
[22:59] <Agent_bob> there
[23:01] <helpthisnoobie> this is the 1st time i try a linux install of any kind
[23:01] <rysiek|pl> hi all\
[23:01] <rysiek|pl> does KMail/Kontact keep e-mails that are being written in some temporary file? After writing a veery long and thought-through e-mail to my boss, after hitting "send", Kontact crashed. I would really love to be able to get it back...
[23:01] <Agent_bob> and just because some have brand new computers to install it on.  is no reason to assume that all do,    some would like to use ubuntu linux simply because their hardware is "too old" for M$ crap now.    but i suppose that another distro is for those people.
[23:02] <ayayaie> bonjour
[23:02] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: I agree thoroghly, I don't get it why there are rising RAM requirements...
[23:02] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl i think so.   does opening kontact not give you the option to recover it ?
[23:03] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: I'd rather have the filed copied somewhere, just in case kontact "clears up the trash" after crashed sessions...
[23:03] <rysiek|pl> *file
[23:03] <JuJuBee> I have a filesystem problem.  Trying to open my vm, i get an error telling me /tmp is full.  I cleared it and still same error.  df shows /tmp is only 1024 ... Seems like this is a separate partition / slice?  df does not show that unless /tmp is in swap?
[23:03] <ayayaie> quelqu'un parle français ou bien c'est english mandatory?
[23:04] <rysiek|pl> Ooo... Myyy... Gooood...
[23:04] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: yup, it worked! GOD I love FLOSS! :)
[23:04] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl ok.  i'm not sure exactly where but some place in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/autosave   maybe ?
[23:05] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: yup, fired-up Kontact and it's there, all nice and dandy
[23:05] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: that actually calls for a celebration!
[23:05]  * rysiek|pl celebrates!
[23:05] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl i was thinking i had seen that before.
[23:05] <Agent_bob> :)
[23:06] <Agent_bob> JuJuBee sounds like permission on /tmp may not be "drwxrwxrwt" 1777  ?
[23:06] <jab> JuJuBee: which device is mounted to /tmp ?
[23:07] <JuJuBee> what would cause /tmp to be only 1 MB ?
[23:07] <JuJuBee> jab : overflow ?
[23:07] <JuJuBee> /tmp  is 777
[23:07] <jab> is there an entry in your /etc/fstab that mounts a device to /tmp ?
[23:07] <Agent_bob> JuJuBee hmmm    try    sudo umount /tmp   and see what it says\
[23:08] <JuJuBee> jab : not entry in fstab
[23:08] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: just so you get the pun of the whole situation, this e-mail is about asking by boss to let me take one of our desktops (I work in a software R&D lab at Warsaw University of Technology) to the "Woodstock Stop" - a *huge* music festival organised by those guys - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Orchestra_of_Christmas_Charity
[23:08] <Agent_bob> jab it would more likely be in /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs
[23:08] <JuJuBee> device busy
[23:09] <JuJuBee> actually /etc/init.d/mountoverflowfs
[23:09] <JuJuBee> there is not mountvirtfs
[23:09] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: the festival is very much along the lines of original Woodstock; there is, however, a special place there for NGOs, and one of the NGOs goes there to put a FLOSS/Linux stand up. So, basically, FLOSS saved a mail about spreading the FLOSS good word ;)
[23:09] <JuJuBee> That kind of makes sense.  My / got full.  I should reboot
[23:10] <psyco> Is ther anything I can use as Hamachi for KDE?
[23:10]  * rysiek|pl stops the flooding. promise.
[23:10] <Agent_bob> JuJuBee grep /tmp /proc/mounts
[23:10] <JuJuBee> overflow /tmp tmpfs rw,relatime 0 0
[23:10] <JuJuBee> I cleard out / so I think it is time to reboot
[23:10] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl :)
[23:11] <ayayaie> hello. i recently install kubuntu. In the login screen the keyboard send "à" key instead of "@". So i must start consol to login and then type startx. can some one help me please
[23:11] <Agent_bob> JuJuBee o.O
[23:11] <JuJuBee> ?
[23:11] <JuJuBee> Ive never seen o.0 what does  it mean?
[23:11] <Agent_bob> i'm at a loss why a ram fs would be mounted on /tmp
[23:12] <JuJuBee> Agent_bob, looks like since / was full, it used RAM
[23:12] <Agent_bob> why is / full ?
[23:12] <Agent_bob> df -h
[23:12] <JuJuBee> I was trying to backup something  and used the wrong path
[23:13] <JuJuBee> I corrected it since, but have not restarted.
[23:13] <JuJuBee> brb
[23:13] <Agent_bob> oh   heheh ok.  that'll do'r
[23:14] <Agent_bob> ayayaie keyboard setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf   ?
[23:15] <Agent_bob> talk about impatient
[23:15] <Agent_bob> !Hamachi
[23:15] <Agent_bob> psyco idk.   sorry.
[23:16] <psyco> ok, I'll just use the terminal one
[23:17] <Agent_bob> psyco if there is anything that contains that word in it's description you can search with " apt-cache search hamachi "
[23:17] <Agent_bob> but it's out of my league, i don't even know what hamachi is/does
[23:17] <psyco> XD
[23:17] <psyco> Its ok
[23:18] <Agent_bob> serious it wouldn't hurt to search the package database.
[23:18] <Agent_bob> !find hamachi
[23:18] <rysiek|pl> !info hamachi
[23:18] <JuJuBee> Agent_bob : restart did the trick
[23:18] <Agent_bob> JuJuBee you didn't have to.  we could have dismounted /tmp   ;/
[23:19] <JuJuBee> That's ok.
[23:19] <Agent_bob> "reboot will fix anything" is an M$ concept  and often not applicable in linux
[23:19] <JuJuBee> Other weird behaviors have been ocurring.
[23:20] <JuJuBee> My dual head setup works with kde3 but not kde4  AND my wifi is giving me trouble.
[23:20] <Agent_bob> !reboot
[23:20] <Agent_bob> !wifi | JuJuBee
[23:20] <rysiek|pl> see? linux doesn't even KNOW reboots
[23:20] <rysiek|pl> ;)
[23:20] <JuJuBee> lol
[23:20] <Agent_bob> there is a trouble shooting section ^
[23:20] <JuJuBee> wifi docs dont help me
[23:20] <rysiek|pl> JuJuBee: what card
[23:20] <JuJuBee> My kwifimanager sees my AP, but I cannot connect
[23:20] <JuJuBee> Intel
[23:21] <JuJuBee> built in to laptop
[23:21] <JuJuBee> was working fine at a conf I just went to now cannot associate with home ap
[23:21] <rysiek|pl> JuJuBee: ho-humm... "cannot connect" == ?..
[23:21] <JuJuBee> see line 4
[23:22] <Agent_bob> don't know if that's small arms or festive fireworks,  but i better go see.
[23:22] <JuJuBee> Will not associate with ap
[23:22] <JuJuBee> kwifimanager sees the network, but knetwork manager will not get IP
[23:23] <evan__> how do i install moodin and dekorator
[23:23] <evan__> ?
[23:24] <rysiek|pl> evan__: sudo aptitude install ksplash-engine-moodin
[23:24] <rysiek|pl> evan__: sudo aptitude install kwin-style-dekorator
[23:25] <rysiek|pl> evan__: should also be available through Adept
[23:25] <evan__> rysiek|pl: adept is a strange program every time i select a program my screen turns vague for some seconds
[23:26] <rysiek|pl> evan__: it's calculating dependancies, that takes time
[23:26] <ublongata> what package has AAC playback for gstreamer?
[23:26] <rysiek|pl> evan__: I always prefer the terminal, anyway ;)
[23:26] <evan__> rysiek|pl: i have QtCurve by default
[23:26] <evan__> ?
[23:26] <rysiek|pl> ublongata: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras should do the trick
[23:27] <rysiek|pl> evan__: huh?
[23:27] <ublongata> thx
[23:28] <evan__> rysiek|pl: i try to install NuoveXT2 theme it needs latest qtcurve
[23:28] <rysiek|pl> evan__: aand?..
[23:29] <evan__> is the latest version of qtcurve installed after kubuntu instalation
[23:30] <evan__> rysiek|pl:  i mean by defautl
[23:30] <rysiek|pl> evan__: I have no idea. check?
[23:30] <rysiek|pl> evan__: find qtcurve's website, check wich version is the latest, and then check which one is on your kubuntu
[23:30] <rysiek|pl> evan__: or, rather, just check which version the theme you want needs
[23:32]  * rysiek|pl brb
[23:34] <dr_Willis> A theme that needs a theme?
[23:42] <kronoman> hello
[23:42] <kronoman> when I try to check the integrity of the alternate 8.04.1 CD I get a error ACPI: Invalid PBLK length [5]
[23:42] <kronoman> then lots of errors
[23:42] <kronoman> and then dies
[23:43] <kronoman> I have recorded the CD multiple times on 2 machines, and the md5sums match and the CD verifies OK when recording
[23:43] <kronoman> I also tried with 3 recorders and 1 reader
[23:43] <kronoman> using LG DVD-RW, Sony CD-RW, HP CD-RW, and generic CD-R drives
[23:43] <kronoman> recorded in 4X, 8X, nothing
[23:43] <kronoman> what happens?
[23:44] <evan__> how can i change the splash theme?
[23:44] <rysiek|pl> evan__: why won't you check what you have in System Settings?
[23:45] <kronoman> BTW, this is not a laptop, seems that ACPI is related to laptop computers
[23:45] <Odd-rationale> evan__: usplash? or the gnome splash screen?
[23:45] <Haza> Evening folks. Can someone recommend a good SQL query tool (that connects to a variety of DBS) that allows me to create a visual representation of table relationships? Kinda like what "Base" does in OPen Office
[23:45] <rysiek|pl> Odd-rationale: I'd shoot ksplash theme ;)
[23:46] <rysiek|pl> kronoman: nope. ACPI is related to all PC's, although laptops use it more extensively, and have more specific thingies
[23:46] <rysiek|pl> kronoman: hence most of ACPI-related problems happen on laptops
[23:47] <kronoman> you know, my problem goes that always I try to install linux, the CD install fails at some point
[23:47] <kgx> if im using dd to recreate a partition, am i supposed to see that mounted partition being filled with files in real time? dd is running but i can't see any files or change in size :(
[23:47] <kronoman> happens me since mandrake 8
[23:47] <kronoman> is like a curse on me
[23:47] <kronoman> on multiple machines, multiple distros, across time
[23:47] <kronoman> the live CD will fail on me at some point
[23:47] <kronoman> I blame squashfs and the bad quality of drivers that reach here (south america0
[23:48] <rysiek|pl> kronoman: "drivers" or "drives"
[23:49] <kronoman> the hardware thingy
[23:49] <rysiek|pl> "drives" :)
[23:49] <psycholic> i keep getting this error every time i close my dophlin program
[23:49] <psycholic> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/timmy/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[23:49] <psycholic> my hd is not full
[23:50] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: and the partition on which the file is located?
[23:50] <psycholic> and i'm not trying to save any book marks
[23:50] <psycholic> nope
[23:50] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: what does this have to say: df -h /home/timmy/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml
[23:50] <Githz> psycholic: If u opened dolphin with sudo might happen thing like that. Some config/temp files become root owned
[23:51] <kronoman> so... what can I do? I'm the only one with fails on live cds?
[23:51] <psycholic> now i got this after i ran dolphin as root
[23:51] <psycholic> i will check
[23:51] <rysiek|pl> ah
[23:51] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: sudo chown -R jour_user:jour_group /home/timmy/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/
[23:51] <kronoman> googling seems that is a Asus mobo with linux issue
[23:51] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: that should solve it
[23:52] <kronoman> I always used Asus motherb, here are the best you can buy without going bank broken
[23:52] <rysiek|pl> kronoman: hmmm... try calculating the md5 sum of the iso, and the cd burned from it
[23:52] <rysiek|pl> kronoman: if they differ, there was an error while recording
[23:52] <kronoman> I did already, they match
[23:52] <kronoman> also I recorded with verify on using k3b
[23:52] <kronoman> and recorded on 2 different machines
[23:53] <rysiek|pl> kronoman: and do they mach the md5sum on the website you downloaded the ISO from?
[23:53] <kronoman> I have a pile of CDs here ...
[23:53] <kronoman> yes, they do, I compared to the MD5SUM file on the kubuntu ftp
[23:53] <psycholic> chown: invalid user: `jour_user:jour_group'
[23:53] <psycholic> thats what it said
[23:53] <evan__> rysiek|pl: i need to acces a theme manager to change the style i cant find it , do you know where i can find it?
[23:53] <kronoman> I recorded kubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso, with md5 5de105f1e2acb0a7019a636c98454e0d
[23:54] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: read and understand the command I have given you
[23:54] <kronoman> and kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso, with md5 e0b9861df26c54acfd62bf35abe859f6
[23:54] <psycholic> hmm
[23:54] <psycholic> ok
[23:54] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: hint: YOUR_USER:YOUR_GROUP :)
[23:54] <psycholic> i need to change user and group right
[23:54] <rysiek|pl> yup
[23:54] <psycholic> you beat me lol
[23:54] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: most probably the group name is exactly the same as username
[23:55] <psycholic> i think it is
[23:55] <psycholic> thats what my CLI has right
[23:55] <psycholic> user@group
[23:55] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: nope
[23:55] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: that's user@hostname
[23:55] <psycholic> ahh
[23:55] <rysiek|pl> psycholic: the "groups" command will tell you your group, that will be the first name on the line
[23:57]  * rysiek|pl goes
[23:57] <rysiek|pl> cu all
[23:57] <evan__> rysiek|pl: has the theme manager to be installed first?
[23:57] <rysiek|pl> evan__: I don't thinks so.
[23:58] <rysiek|pl> abywhoo... bye.
[23:59] <evan__>  bye
[23:59] <psycholic> keep saying chown: invalid user: