[00:06] <RAOF> gnomefreak: Yeah, I know.  All the drivers need a rebuild.  I'm sure timo's on it.
[00:06] <RAOF> ikonia: It would, if any of the drivers in the archive had the right ABI :)
[00:07] <ikonia> I've tested it on fedora too
[00:07] <ikonia> funny enough
[00:08] <RAOF> Right.  And they'll have rebuilt all their drivers.  Know if nvidia loads on the new server?
[00:08] <null_vector> I can find out in a minute.
[00:08] <ikonia> RAOF: the driver physically loads yes
[00:08] <RAOF> ikonia: How about "works" :)
[00:09] <ikonia> RAOF: tricky, you get a display, but lots of drop outs
[00:10] <RAOF> Heh.  How about 3D?
[00:10] <ikonia> not tested that as I don't do anything 3d on my test kit
[00:11] <ikonia> my cards wouldnt be a fair test as they are too poor
[00:13] <RAOF> I meant: does it work _at all_.
[00:14] <gnomefreak> RAOF: he should have test packages ready since i test them most of time anyway
[00:14] <ikonia> RAOF: dri is enabled, thats as far as I got
[00:14] <RAOF> Not that nvidia use dri at all :)
[00:40] <null_vector> Hmm, is xserver-xorg-core only supposed to contain one file and only under /etc
[00:40] <null_vector> ?
[00:40] <RAOF> I don't believe so, no :)
[00:40] <null_vector> well then, I believe there's a problem
[00:41] <RAOF> You haven't installed the xserver-xorg-core update, have you?
[00:41] <null_vector> I'm guessing so
[00:41] <RAOF> That would be bad, because you've uninstalled all your drivers.
[00:41] <RAOF> All your input and video drivers, at least.
[00:42] <null_vector> and I have no Xorg executable
[00:45] <RAOF> Then you don't have xserver-xorg-core installed.
[00:46] <RAOF> null_vector: You've probably just uninstalled everything because of package conflicts.
[00:47] <null_vector> Ah, sorry.  You're right.  Can't install xserver-xorg
[00:48] <RAOF> That's right.
[00:48] <RAOF> Welcome to Intrepid.
[00:49] <null_vector> Don't need X tonight anyways. *g*
[01:31] <gnomefreak> does anyone have issues printing in Intrepid?
[01:31] <gnomefreak> i thought that was fixed already :(
[03:20] <cjb> Hi.  The latest intrepid update looks to have hosed X.  Is there a fix?
[03:21] <cjb> (xserver-xorg-core is marked broken.)
[03:22] <RAOF> Yes.  The fix is to wait while all the drivers are rebuilt.
[03:22] <RAOF> Welcome to intrepid
[03:22] <cjb> fair enough.  :)
[03:24] <Pici> :)
[03:37] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Good plan
[03:37] <Hobbsee> indeed
[03:42] <s3a_> is this were developpers are?
[03:53] <IdleOne> s3a_, some are here
[03:53] <IdleOne> #ubuntu-dev
[03:57] <s3a_> IdleOne: any developper here find my idea logical? its not popular but it is logical ---> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10780/
[03:57] <IdleOne> s3a_, sorry i did not see you post your idea
[03:57] <s3a_> IdleOne: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10780/
[03:58] <RAOF> s3a_: In what way is that different to Iceweasel?
[03:58] <cjb> I think it's the same thing.
[03:59] <s3a_> RAOF: Iceweasel isnt in ubuntu 8.04 free software only mode
[03:59] <s3a_> icecat is the successor of iceweasel
[03:59] <s3a_> firefox is
[03:59] <Hobbsee> iceweasel isn't in ubuntu anyway, it apperas.
[03:59] <RAOF> s3a_: The successor?  In what way?
[03:59] <cjb> I guess iceweasel comes from Debian, and icecat comes from GNU
[04:00] <RAOF> Oh, yay.
[04:00] <RAOF> More pointless firefox forks :P
[04:00] <s3a_> RAOF: well like look at wikipedia (i probly made wrong choice of words ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat
[04:00] <s3a_> "formerly known as iceweasel"
[04:00] <RAOF> Ok, not actually pointless :)
[04:00] <s3a_> RAOF: r u talkin to me?
[04:00] <RAOF> No, just in generaly
[04:01] <s3a_> so wait is iceweasel in ubuntu 8.10 free software only mode or is it still firefox?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> somehow, i can't imagine both forks getting maintained.
[04:01] <s3a_> well iceweasel is icecat
[04:01] <RAOF> Apparently not.
[04:02] <s3a_> ok well some sort of free firefox should be added to ubuntu 8.10's free software only mode
[04:02] <s3a_> and keep firefox in the normal mode
[04:02] <IdleOne> it is simple enough for a user to install whatever browser they want but I think at fresh install time there needs to be a recognized ( by most users ) browser
[04:02] <RAOF> I think it would be better to use Epiphany, anyway.
[04:02] <s3a_> RAOF: i currently do use epiphany
[04:02] <RAOF> Right.  All the fun of firefox, none of the trademark issues.
[04:03] <s3a_> IdleOne: free software only users arent the same time of ppl tho
[04:03] <s3a_> IdleOne: ppl that press f6 twice on boot usually no wat they want
[04:03] <IdleOne> s3a_, true and those people already know how to install a different browser if they need to
[04:03] <s3a_> IdleOne: ya but the point is, y should we have to make a million changes?
[04:04] <s3a_> IdleOne: my idea doesnt interfere with normal users
[04:04] <IdleOne> if we start trying to accomadate every type of user Ubuntu will become sooner then later a 6 cd install like other distro's
[04:04] <Hobbsee> because they won't stick two almost identical browsers into main.
[04:05] <s3a_> IdleOne: firefox and icecat are the same thing so basically no extra space is being used except for artwork which must be very small size
[04:05] <Hobbsee> except that it doesn't work that way...
[04:05] <RAOF> s3a_: No, they're not.
[04:05] <s3a_> RAOF: icecat uses the source code of firefox
[04:05] <Hobbsee> and ubuntu distributes binaries.
[04:05] <RAOF> s3a_: No, it doesn't.  It's patched.
[04:06] <IdleOne> s3a_, your idea is good and probably worth exploring but I dont see how adding another choice to the installer will help "new users" convert. all it will do is make things more complicated.
[04:06] <RAOF> IdleOne: It's not a new choice; it's refining an existing choice.
[04:06] <s3a_> IdleOne: new users wont use the free software only mode
[04:07] <s3a_> IdleOne: bcuz they most likely havent been introduced to free as in freedom theory
[04:07] <IdleOne> RAOF, new converts to linux don't want to be confused at install time. they want a point and click system
[04:07] <RAOF> IdleOne: This option _already exists_.
[04:08] <s3a_> wait wat option
[04:08] <IdleOne> I am not the best person to be speaking on this subject anyhow
[04:08] <RAOF> s3a_: The "free-software-only" option.
[04:08] <s3a_> every1 talkin without addressing 1 another confuses me
[04:08]  * Hobbsee suggests running debian, for the extremely free version, with a large chunk of documentation yoinked.
[04:08] <IdleOne> I don't do any dev work so....
[04:08] <s3a_> RAOF: well ya i no, i installed ubuntu 8.04 with this option
[04:09] <s3a_> or a even better idea
[04:09] <RAOF> s3a_: Yes.  IdleOne is arguing against this based on the mistaken premise that it will introduce a _new_ option.
[04:09]  * RAOF is arguing against this based on "meh".
[04:09] <IdleOne> s3a_, so what you want is the ability to install a browser that allows you to modify the source/artwork/icons and all that?
[04:10] <IdleOne> RAOF, yes I was arguing that exact point not knowing the option already exists :/
[04:10] <s3a_> load a bunch of apps that ppl want on a dvd and have them choose normal install as would a normal cd or advanced if they want to go thru the hell of making it their own (normal users can choose normal install and that will install a non-bloated OS)..just cuz the dvd can be bloated doesnt mean the actual HD install should be
[04:10] <lymeca> Is this about Iceweael?
[04:10] <s3a_> lymeca: well icecat
[04:10] <s3a_> (formerly known as iceweasel)
[04:11] <lymeca> Whoa Iceweasel changed names?!?
[04:12] <s3a_> lymeca: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat
[04:12] <RAOF> lymeca: No.  Diffenent project.
[04:12] <lymeca> I'm checkin it out now
[04:12] <IdleOne> what I would like is a browser name that is not animal in nature. "Internet Explorer" great name for a browser to bad it is owned by the wrong people. "Netscape" another great name. you read that name and you know what it is supposed to do. FireFox. how is that internet related?
[04:13] <RAOF> IdleOne: What are you saying?  The internet is all about fire!
[04:13] <s3a_> lol
[04:13] <s3a_> ya and foxes
[04:13] <s3a_> ..
[04:13] <IdleOne> RAOF, mostly
[04:13] <IdleOne> :P
[04:14] <s3a_> ok but seriously, am i like the only 1 that believes in this idea? http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10780/
[04:14] <cjb> s3a_: doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
[04:14] <IdleOne> s3a_, me either
[04:14] <s3a_> ok look
[04:14] <cjb> The code is free.  Getting upset over trademarks is a waste of time.
[04:14] <RAOF> s3a_: You'd probably be better off trying to get firefox removed from the free version, and replaced with epiphany.
[04:14] <s3a_> heres wats more important than the artwork
[04:15] <s3a_> the fact that icecat points to only free plugins such as gnash and doesn't have proprietary things like amazon in the toolbar
[04:15] <cjb> um, firefox doesn't have amazon in the toolbar.
[04:15] <cjb> oh, you mean the search toolbar
[04:15] <cjb> that's a web search
[04:15] <cjb> are you saying you don't use google, because it's proprietary?
[04:16] <s3a_> lol
[04:16] <cjb> if so, I'd love to know what you use instead.
[04:16] <s3a_> well
[04:16] <IdleOne> s3a_, at some point in time ever a "Only free software" user needs to go to a propietary site and buy something
[04:16] <IdleOne> s/ever/even
[04:16] <s3a_> ok but the plugin thing still stands
[04:16] <s3a_> like look
[04:16] <s3a_> adobe i dont think has 64 bit support
[04:16] <s3a_> or not a good one
[04:16] <IdleOne> if gnash did the job then I would use it
[04:17] <s3a_> ya but for 64 bit, isnt it more worthwile to support a community project over adobe that u have to "yell at" for them to do sumtin
[04:17] <RAOF> The firefox plugin installer offers non-free, gnash and swfdec in Intrepid (and probably Hardy).
[04:18] <IdleOne> RAOF, it does
[04:18] <cjb> yeah.  see, I think you're making my "huge waste of time" point for me here.
[04:18] <RAOF> I kinda see what you're saying, but pulling in Iceweasel/Icecat is a lot of work for marginal gain.
[04:18] <RAOF> You'd get much more traction with "don't install firefox, install epiphany instead"
[04:18] <lymeca> Well I don't see any harm in packaging IceCat alongside Firefox.  Obviously Firefox should remain default in Ubuntu but there's no reason a Universe package couldn't offer the choice of IceCat.
[04:19] <lymeca> Also, I think that people who really care about this shouldn't use Ubuntu.
[04:19] <lymeca> But more choice is never a bad thing.
[04:19] <s3a_> lymeca: wasnt that the point of gobuntu??
[04:19] <s3a_> and f6 option was to copy gobuntu
[04:19] <lymeca> Sure I suppose it was but...
[04:19] <RAOF> lymeca: "More choice is never a bad thing" is one of my pet peves.
[04:19] <RAOF> That statement is exactly wrong.
[04:20] <s3a_> wat statement?
[04:20] <RAOF> s3a_: "More choice is never a bad thing"
[04:20] <lymeca> I don't think so
[04:20] <lymeca> I mean another package in universe?
[04:21] <RAOF> lymeca: Which won't get any security updates, I guarantee you.
[04:21] <lymeca> Maybe if you install Firefox and IceCat alongside each other by default.  That would be bad and confusing.
[04:21] <RAOF> Or, if it _does_ get security updates, is taking valuable time away from maintaining the useful part of Universe.
[04:22] <lymeca> RAOF: This is merely going off of your opinion about wat is useful.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> lymeca: do you have someone who is going to commit to continue updating it, if it's in the repository?
[04:22] <lymeca> Isn't the Firefox package in 'main'?  Doesn't it also include Talkback?
[04:23] <RAOF> lymeca: Indeed it is.  But my opinion is of slightly higher weight than an arbitrary person's, because _I'm one of the people who'll be asked to do this work for you_.
[04:23] <s3a_> IceCat is made for ppl that choose the Free software only option and Firefox is made for those dont choose it so y not just do what i said..
[04:23] <RAOF> s3a_: Because it's an awful lot of work.
[04:23] <Hobbsee> lymeca: yes, it is.  i meant iceweasel, or icecat.
[04:23] <s3a_> RAOF: the whole free software only was only 13 lines of code
[04:23] <RAOF> s3a_: Which is why asking to have firefox removed and replaced by epiphany is a better thing to ask for.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> s3a_: are you volunteering?
[04:24] <s3a_> volunteering for wat epiphany?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> [13:22] <Hobbsee> lymeca: do you have someone who is going to commit to continue updating it, if it's in the repository?
[04:24] <RAOF> s3a_: Irrelevant.  It's going to be an entirely separate package.  It'll be a lot more work, for marginal gain.
[04:24] <RAOF> Whereas Epiphany is _already_ in main, and is already nice and free.
[04:25] <s3a_> so wats the suggestion if any?
[04:25] <lymeca> Well I'll point out again that Ubuntu is one of the lesser places I would look to for true Free Software through and through, from binary blobs in the kernel to officially supported proprietary software to software in main being non-free.  Because it's so tainted already I would not personally put the effort in to packaging it for Ubuntu.
[04:26] <lymeca> I would however, for Gobuntu.
[04:26] <RAOF> s3a_: Ask to have Firefox removed from the super-free desktop, and replaced by Epiphany.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i presume that if they personally wish for something to go in, despite what they've been told, then they personally will be listed as the maintainer, and will have to update it.
[04:27] <s3a_> well ive heard for gobuntu that gobuntu 8.04 would have epiphany
[04:27] <s3a_> but it never got made
[04:27] <Hobbsee> RAOF: which means it's not your problem.  although, if they don't maintain it, you can easily file a removal request.
[04:27] <lymeca> Isn't Gobuntu dead or something?
[04:27] <s3a_> well
[04:27] <s3a_> lymeca: it needs ppl to test it
[04:27] <s3a_> and report bugs
[04:27] <s3a_> thats wat wikipedia or the wiki said
[04:28] <s3a_> and lack of developpers
[04:28] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Yeah, fair enough.  But we've got a fairly high bar for pulling packages, I think.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> RAOF: depends.  if it's duplicated, and out of date...
[04:29] <RAOF> ...mayhap :)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> tis a pity i can't do removals.
[04:29] <s3a_> is there a way to find out if developpers would still want to work on gobuntu?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> email ubuntu-devel-discuss and ask?
[04:30] <s3a_> cuz gnewsense is x86 only, has no 6 month release schedule and is not truly part of the ubuntu family
[04:30] <s3a_> Hobbsee: do u no the exact email address to contact canonical or wtv if there is 1?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> it looks like it is a gobuntu-devel mailing list, too
[04:31] <Hobbsee> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Gobuntu-devel
[04:31] <Hobbsee> that would be a good lot of people to get in touch with
[04:31] <Hobbsee> s3a_: there are many.
[04:31] <s3a_> Hobbsee: any website link?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> s3a_: i can tell you though, that it'd be extremely unlikely they'd put another browser like firefox and epiphany into main, due to duplication of code, and the likely lack of maintenance it would get.
[04:33] <s3a_> omg is there an easy startoff programming language i can learn so that i can actually take part in gobuntu's revival?
[04:34]  * Hobbsee suggests emailing the above list, asking how to help.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> and as for canonical, it depends what you're emailing about, as for the most appropriate place to send it
[04:36] <Hobbsee> packaging is bash.  c++/c can be useful, as can python and perl.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> depends what you're working on
[04:37] <s3a_> Hobbsee: but wats the easiest so that i can start?
[04:37] <RAOF> Knowing your way around a Makefile is important, too.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> bash.
[04:41] <Tanis1> bash or python i think
[04:41] <RAOF> Make's also pretty easy.
[04:44] <Amaranth> s3a_: gobuntu is being redone as an installer option in the regular ubuntu installer
[04:44] <s3a_> Amaranth: ya i no thatr
[04:45] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I suspect we'll end up with webkit in main soon
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: mumble.  i'd forgottne about that.
[04:45] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: GNOME is moving to it and KDE 4 of course
[04:45] <RAOF> Given that Epihphany seems to be losing the gecko backend, and is in main.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: yes, isnt' it a backend?
[04:45] <Amaranth> Everything in GNOME is running to Webkit as fast as possible
[04:46] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: ?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> right, yes.
[04:46] <RAOF> It's a pity gecko was so horrible to embed properly.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> isn't webkit a backend, nto a "browser" that you launch itself?
[04:46] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Right.
[04:46] <Amaranth> right but then epiphany is just a UI on top of it
[04:46] <Amaranth> so...
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: right, so fortunately, my comment wasn't incorrect :)
[04:46] <LSD|Ninja> If Intrepis is using the webkit backend for gnome, does that mean we can punt firefox? :D
[04:47] <Amaranth> and I doubt gobuntu-specific stuff will be on the disc anyway (no space) so if it has to fetch it from the repos it can be in universe
[04:47] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: Don't you dare try to take my awesomebar
[04:47] <Amaranth> Firefox 3 is _good_
[04:48] <Amaranth> Webkit is a better engine but Firefox is a better browser
[04:48] <LSD|Ninja> whatever, will apt-get remove mozilla-firefox work without taking half of gnome with it in Intrepid?
[04:48] <Amaranth> it does in hardy
[04:48] <Amaranth> nothing that uses gecko should depend on firefox, it should depend on xulrunner
[04:49] <LSD|Ninja> Oh, sweet
[08:36] <linda_cute> does anyone know why my pidgin not in a panel when i minimized it..how can i add to panel?
[08:41] <gnomefreak> linda_cute: what version of ubuntu and version of pidgin
[08:42] <linda_cute> hardy heron
[08:42] <linda_cute> latest pidgin
[08:43] <gnomefreak> linda_cute: please ask in #ubuntu
[08:43] <gnomefreak> linda_cute: works here btw
[08:43] <linda_cute> no one answer me on ubuntu
[08:43] <linda_cute> and some of them said to ask in here
[08:43] <gnomefreak> linda_cute: this channel isnt for Hardy suppot
[08:44] <gnomefreak> linda_cute: if #ubuntu cant help you please see the ubuntuforums.org or #ubuntuforums channel
[08:45] <gnomefreak> linda_cute: most likely its a simple bug and you should file a bug report on it at launchpad.net
[08:47] <linda_cute> i see
[08:48] <gnomefreak> linda_cute: bug report is best way but on my Intrepid and Hardy it works as expected
[08:49] <greenpen> linda_cute: just to make sure, have you looked in the preferences of pidgin, first tab, show system tray icon?
[08:49] <geek_inn2> will alpha 2 show changes
[08:50] <geek_inn2> in visuals
[08:50] <geek_inn2> on DATE>
[08:50] <gnomefreak> geek_inn2: every release will show changes but gui changes you wont see until late in release
[08:50] <gnomefreak> geek_inn2: they may change the theme but that is about it
[08:50] <linda_cute> show system tray icon = always <---
[08:50] <linda_cute> already do that
[08:50] <gnomefreak> greenpen: linda_cute is on Hardy please dont help her in here
[08:50] <bazhang> linda_cute, read the /topic here
[08:55] <geek_inn2> any indians here
[08:55] <bazhang> #ubuntu-in geek_inn2
[09:28] <jianfei> hi, when is alpha 2 due?
[09:30] <LSD|Ninja> Will Alpha 2 bring nVidia drivers?
[09:30] <jianfei> LSD :-)
[09:31] <LSD|Ninja> I figure the reason it doesn't have any now is because it uses 2.6.26 butthe problem between that and the nVidia drivers has been fixed I believe
[09:32] <SwedeMike> has it been decided that intrepid will use 2.6.26 ?
[09:32] <LSD|Ninja> Isn't it using preleases of that now?
[09:33] <RAOF> Yes.
[09:33] <RAOF> Also, the nvidia (and fglrx) packaging is changing substantially in Intrepid.  They're no longer a part of linux-restricted-modules, and the packaging is still being finalised.  That's why there's no nvidia drivers yet.
[09:33] <RAOF> Unless you mean...
[09:33] <RAOF> !nouveau
[09:34] <RAOF> Ha!
[09:34] <SwedeMike> because I have hardware (via C7 motherboard) that seems to be stable with 2.6.26-rc8 (I compiled my own for hardy), which isn't stable with hardy stock kernel or 2.6.25.9, so if 8.10 will use 2.6.26, that's good news for me
[09:45] <gnomefreak> thats why when i searched for that package i couldnt find it
[12:15] <molgrum> hmm, is it normal that the new xserver packages is greyed out and every time i try a partial upgrade it fails?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> molgrum: X is broken and will be for a while maybe today or as late as end of week but it should be good by tomorrow.
[12:39] <molgrum> ok
[12:39] <gnomefreak> so yes its normal its protecting you from removing X package
[12:39] <molgrum> :)
[12:40] <james_w> Is anyone else seeing /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/gettext.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr ?
[12:40] <james_w> I can't find any bug reports
[12:49] <gnomefreak> james_w: nope but i dont play with perl much you would have to give me a way to reproduce.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> Has anyone tried opening text docs just by clicking on them and got an error (dont remember the error) but for some reason gedit should handle text docs but isnt being used something else is
[14:02] <jonpackard> Has anybody tested LTSP with Intrepid yet?
[14:24] <jonpackard> so X is broken.. anybody know if they want people testing it or should we just not update till they fix it?
[14:25] <Hobbsee> it's all being updated - it should finish building soonish.
[14:25] <seisen> probably use at your own risk
[14:25] <Hobbsee> probably give it 24 hours, at least, then test
[14:26] <jonpackard> much <3 for virtualbox snapshots.. I can make a snapshot and update without worrying about permanently borking my system =)
[14:27] <jonpackard> ﻿Hobbsee: Thanks for the info!
[15:10] <jonpackard> ltsp-build-client fails with intrepid.. http://pastebin.com/f3341ddcf for details
[15:36] <jonpackard> ﻿Bug 246615 filed.
[16:59] <cbr> when will X be fixed?
[16:59] <henke> are the nvidia drivers getting removed from linux-restricted-modules?
[16:59] <cbr> cbr is not pleased with the current situation :P
[17:03] <james_w> henke: yes, see today's mail to ubuntu-devel
[17:05] <henke> james_w: thanks, I'll take a look
[17:11] <cbr> does anyone have info about the Xorg b0rkage?
[17:12] <james_w> cbr: everything is being rebuilt, you should wait until tomorrow for it to shake out.
[17:12] <james_w> or if it's a different problem then a little more context would be good.
[17:13] <cbr> uhm.. tomorrow is an unsatisfactory timeframe :p
[17:13] <cbr> signal 11, xorg segfaults or smth
[17:40] <DanaG> I have a policy I like to follow: don't install packages until the changelogs are available.
[17:40] <DanaG> It keeps me one update cycle behind, so I can avoid some of the possible breakage that may happen.
[17:40] <henke> james_w: do you know which packages will carry the nvidia kernel modules instead?
[17:41] <james_w> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-July/025738.html says -71, -96, -173, and -177
[17:42] <james_w> nvidia-glx-173 etc.
[17:42] <james_w> see https://edge.launchpad.net/~lrm-intrepid/+archive
[17:44] <henke> james_w: thanks, that shows it better than the mail
[19:49] <cbr> now the intel driver got fixed but for some reason kde4 compositing and evdev inputs wont work
[19:49] <cbr> are those known stuff?
[21:12] <cbr> now the intel driver got fixed but for some reason kde4 compositing and evdev inp
[21:12] <cbr> shit
[21:45] <humbolt> When disabling pulseaudio, do I have to change anything to make dmix and dsnoop the default pcms in hardy? I want the same behaviour like in gutsy!
[21:45] <humbolt> Putting pulseaudio in an LTS release was a really bad decision!
[21:45] <veeti123> i agree that
[21:51] <humbolt> how can I get back to a gutsy like alsa system with dmix and dsnoop?
[21:52] <humbolt> do I manually need to make dmix the default pcm or is this still there?
[21:52] <Pici> humbolt: This is the support channel for Inrepid Ibex, if you need help with Hardy, #ubuntu is the place to be
[21:53] <humbolt> Pici: ok, anyhow it is more likely to find somebody here who would know than in #ubuntu. and I would want to disable pulseaudio in ibex as well!
[23:39] <linux1> evening folks