| kwwii | been testing 10 and 9 and 9 seems to be realistic | 00:00 |
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| _MMA_ | Studio dropped things to 9. I kept that on the desktop. | 00:00 |
| kwwii | we could also ask others on the page | 00:00 |
| Salane | Well I think whatever font we choose, that changing the settings is a must. | 00:00 |
| kwwii | wiki page I mean | 00:00 |
| Salane | Do it! | 00:00 |
| Salane | Thats is whats it is for | 00:00 |
| kwwii | but that might only draw people who want to comment on that wiki page | 00:00 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: Are we using dejavu now? | 00:00 |
| kwwii | so it is not really a good example of what a normal user expects | 00:01 |
| _MMA_ | Ubuntu I mean. | 00:01 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: yes, we are using dejavu condensed | 00:01 |
| Salane | but it has horrible settings | 00:01 |
| _MMA_ | Use "book". | 00:01 |
| kwwii | which was my choice when I started :-) | 00:01 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: I think "book" is closer to the norm "sans" and such. | 00:01 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: I would just have one of the guys drop the default size and push that through. | 00:02 |
| _MMA_ | Seb or someone. | 00:02 |
| Salane | _MMA_ : would you post an example? | 00:02 |
| Salane | Well that and give it subpixel smoothing and slight hinting | 00:02 |
| _MMA_ | Salane: No. I talk here. I have enough on my plate. ;) Sorry. | 00:03 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: yes, but on your desktop you really want a condensed font | 00:03 |
| kwwii | to save space | 00:03 |
| kwwii | MS has tahoma for that | 00:03 |
| Salane | Err Segoe UI on Vista. | 00:04 |
| kwwii | but the dejavu condensed fonts look like crap | 00:04 |
| kwwii | yeah, segoe, right | 00:04 |
| _MMA_ | Salane: There were some legal concerns as the types of font hinting. Debian even goes so far as to show a box about this when you turn on full. Default might be pushing it if thats not sorted. | 00:04 |
| _MMA_ | Something owned by Apple IIRC. | 00:04 |
| kwwii | it was a big deal a few months ago | 00:04 |
| kwwii | apparently things have changed though | 00:04 |
| kwwii | from what I have heard | 00:04 |
| _MMA_ | Cool. Try to dig up a link if you can. | 00:05 |
| Salane | So what should happen I think is we should research a little more, about usablity and licensing. Then decide the week before the next CC when Mark wants us to present our decisions. | 00:05 |
| _MMA_ | Salane: I lok forward to your findings. :) | 00:06 |
| _MMA_ | *look | 00:06 |
| kwwii | Salane: the CC is not the only way to work things out | 00:06 |
| Salane | Mark requested we present them. | 00:06 |
| _MMA_ | Its actually not proper. | 00:07 |
| _MMA_ | Present them sure. But not at a CC meeting. | 00:07 |
| Salane | ehh that is what he requested. | 00:07 |
| kwwii | right, that seems like a bit of overkill to me | 00:07 |
| _MMA_ | Salane: Log saying her wants them presented at a CC meeting? | 00:08 |
| _MMA_ | *he | 00:08 |
| kwwii | I would guess that part of the reason he requested it is because you brought up the subject at a CC meeting | 00:08 |
| kwwii | he tried to take CC meetings very seriously (understandably) | 00:08 |
| Salane | Well I wasnt familiar with the process. It isnt very clear - I just feel inspired to help. | 00:08 |
| Salane | I thought it was a good opportunity. | 00:08 |
| kwwii | and he has told me to discuss this with you to see where we can get ahead | 00:08 |
| Salane | Ok | 00:09 |
| kwwii | I have full authority to change whatever I want :-) | 00:09 |
| Salane | Ok | 00:09 |
| kwwii | and enough experience not go at it willy-nilly | 00:09 |
| Salane | well lets give the fonts a while. We need to get moving on icons and themes. | 00:09 |
| kwwii | I think that we could finish the fonts discussion and present the results once we know what is best without a problem | 00:10 |
| Salane | I agree | 00:10 |
| kwwii | as an example of icon themes, 3 years ago I started the oxygen icons | 00:10 |
| Salane | You started them? | 00:10 |
| Salane | Nice | 00:10 |
| kwwii | it is not something you do within a couple of months | 00:11 |
| kwwii | or with only 1 or 2 people | 00:11 |
| Salane | I figured as such | 00:11 |
| Salane | Oxygen is beautiful | 00:12 |
| kwwii | I found jobs for 2 artists to work fulltime on oxygen for 2+ years | 00:12 |
| kwwii | that was a lot of stress | 00:12 |
| kwwii | good artists do not normally work for free | 00:12 |
| Salane | Yeah | 00:12 |
| savvas | they stick a sign "Will work for food" :p | 00:13 |
| Salane | Well what do you think we should do? | 00:13 |
| savvas | j/k :) | 00:13 |
| kwwii | well, almost 1:30 am here...time for sleep | 00:13 |
| kwwii | I think that we should keep moving forward...get people to work on things and respond | 00:13 |
| kwwii | response only means no work gets done | 00:13 |
| Salane | Ok this is what I will do. The theme wont be as bad as the icons... illl create some concepts to kick around. | 00:13 |
| Salane | Talk to people who are good at creating themes. | 00:14 |
| Salane | and get that started | 00:14 |
| kwwii | 99.9% of the people on the art list want to offer their opinion of how things are and do little creative work | 00:14 |
| kwwii | yepp | 00:14 |
| Salane | I am learning Gtk as we speak | 00:14 |
| Salane | so some day I can do stuff. | 00:14 |
| kwwii | :-) | 00:14 |
| Salane | As for icons, id like to hear more from you. | 00:15 |
| Salane | Considering you have vast experience with it. | 00:15 |
| kwwii | hehe, I worked doing all the suse artwork (and marketing material) for 7 years and 2 with canonical in the meantime | 00:17 |
| kwwii | so I have some experience in linux themeing one might say | 00:17 |
| Salane | Goodness | 00:17 |
| Salane | I feel lameeeeeeee | 00:17 |
| _MMA_ | Why? | 00:19 |
| kwwii | you can learn something every day | 00:19 |
| Salane | Well here I am having used Linux for 2 years, and only doing GD work for 6 months or so | 00:20 |
| Salane | but one thing is for sure- i know what looks good and what sells. | 00:20 |
| _MMA_ | Salane: The trick will be to not get frustrated with the system and figure out how to work with it. Find your place and listen to the old heads. | 00:21 |
| Salane | I will do so. | 00:21 |
| kwwii | exactly | 00:21 |
| Salane | After all, mark said over the next 2 years he wants this to improve. | 00:21 |
| _MMA_ | Mark wants alot of things. :P | 00:21 |
| Salane | haha | 00:21 |
| _MMA_ | Trick is finding what he wants without him telling us. | 00:22 |
| Salane | Well il continue to crank our mockups. | 00:22 |
| Salane | And coordinate and inspire people to help. | 00:22 |
| Salane | Im worried about icons now! | 00:23 |
| Salane | lol | 00:23 |
| _MMA_ | Mock-ups count for not if their not technically possible. There are *great* mocks on the wiki that will never exist. | 00:23 |
| kwwii | I want a million dollars but just because I want it and think that it would be right does not mean that I will get it | 00:23 |
| kwwii | mockups are the easy part | 00:23 |
| kwwii | doing something is the hard part | 00:24 |
| kwwii | for anyone | 00:24 |
| Salane | I know. But if I can get some people to help - | 00:24 |
| kwwii | then it would definitely be good | 00:24 |
| _MMA_ | Salane: Good luck to you. Not to be a pessimist and all. ;) | 00:24 |
| Salane | Its just decisions need to be made. Nothing will get done if no one makes decisions and stick with them. They need to be realistic yet push forward! | 00:25 |
| _MMA_ | Salane: Many including Ken have tried. Things go great for a bit then people drop off. Happens every time. | 00:25 |
| kwwii | decisions need to be made very carefuly or you push people away | 00:26 |
| kwwii | then again, sometimes certain people need to be pushed away | 00:26 |
| Salane | :D | 00:26 |
| kwwii | at least if they only talk | 00:26 |
| _MMA_ | Salane: Problem has been, the decision maker has been Mark and he hasn't been great at communicating what he wants. Maybe that will change. | 00:26 |
| Salane | At thats what a lot of people do. | 00:26 |
| kwwii | honestly, 99% of what we get is commentary | 00:26 |
| _MMA_ | *99.9999% | 00:26 |
| Salane | haha | 00:26 |
| kwwii | a good artist comes along, presents his/her stuff and then mark says "can you change this part of it?" a couple of times and they simply get sick of it | 00:27 |
| Salane | Well how about we retire for the evening/night/morning, think about things. | 00:27 |
| kwwii | free, open source artwork is worth more than people know | 00:28 |
| Salane | With fonts, we need to do more research. | 00:28 |
| kwwii | yeah, time for sleep here | 00:28 |
| kwwii | definitely | 00:28 |
| _MMA_ | bye | 00:28 |
| Salane | With icons - I am lost. | 00:28 |
| Salane | And with a theme | 00:28 |
| kwwii | have you talked to the people mark suggested yet? | 00:28 |
| Salane | I have no contact info. | 00:28 |
| kwwii | I can get that to you | 00:28 |
| Salane | with a theme- il lfind the right people. | 00:28 |
| Salane | That would be great | 00:28 |
| kwwii | right, let's keep in touch | 00:28 |
| kwwii | have a nice evening, it's morning here already :-) | 00:29 |
| kwwii | see you soon, I hope | 00:29 |
| Salane | Sorry! | 00:29 |
| Salane | Good day/morning/night... etc etc... | 00:29 |
| Salane | Ill get to working on what I can. | 00:29 |
| pwnguin | is there something better than fontforge to use for improving fonts? | 02:41 |
| _MMA_ | pwnguin: Not that I know of. | 03:30 |
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| psyke83 | hey | 16:39 |
| kwwii | psyke83: btw, the latest updates should be in by now | 16:45 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, I noticed, thanks :) | 16:53 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, any news developments/ideas on NewHuman? | 16:57 |
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