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| BenC | I really wish Kano would look before speaking | 04:17 |
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| BenC | that dvb fw is already in lrm | 04:17 |
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| bullgard4 | How does a 'kernel variable' differ from a 'kernel parameter'? | 06:42 |
| BenC | bullgard4: I've never heard of a kernel variable, but I assume it refers to a kernel parameter | 06:53 |
| bullgard4 | One exmple: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-18/include/linux/timex.h Line# 191 | 06:58 |
| BenC | bullgard4: that's a kernel global variable, in the programming sense...not a kernel parameter | 07:24 |
| bullgard4 | Ah! Thank you for explaining. | 07:56 |
| Kano | does gspca build for somebody with 2.6.26? | 08:00 |
| Kano | it seems it is missing in ubuntu/Makefile | 08:03 |
| Kano | hmm no, it is much simpler... | 08:08 |
| Kano | obj-$(GSPOCA) is below... | 08:08 |
| Kano | could somebody fix the typo | 08:09 |
| Kano | remove the O please... | 08:12 |
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| amitk | Kano: fixed the typo | 08:44 |
| Kano | good, now only my uvcvideo hotfix is needed ;) | 08:44 |
| Kano | http://kanotix.com/files/kernel/kernel-update-pack-generic-next/source/2.6.26-uvc_driver-medion-e1210.patch | 08:51 |
| Kano | thats what i use - already added to hardy lum | 08:52 |
| Kano | well the gscpa module still does not compile, even with that fixed typo | 08:58 |
| Kano | did somebody else try to compile the kernel? | 09:08 |
| amitk | Kano: I am doing it... | 09:08 |
| Kano | did the module build for you? | 09:10 |
| amitk | no | 09:11 |
| Kano | any ideas why it does not build? | 09:11 |
| Kano | maybe CONFIG_ is missing in front | 09:15 |
| Kano | 2 errors in same line it seems *g* | 09:16 |
| amitk | Kano: really fixed now and it compiles | 09:46 |
| Kano | i am still compiling with that change *g* | 09:47 |
| Kano | hopefully it works, the standard makefile has some extra options enabled i think | 09:48 |
| Kano | i can not test it, but at least i know some | 09:48 |
| BenC | Good afternoon (morning, evening, whatever) | 17:00 |
| BenC | Time for our weekly IRC meeting | 17:02 |
| smb_tp_ | hi | 17:02 |
| cking | hi | 17:02 |
| BenC | Basically we just want to review the progress for intrepid so far | 17:03 |
| BenC | as of this week, a -rc8 based kernel is in the archive, and we have rebased to -rc9 in the git repo | 17:03 |
| BenC | The current kernel in the archive is the one that will be in alpha 2 | 17:04 |
| BenC | most of the drivers from hardy linux-ubuntu-modules are now in the intrepid kernel tree | 17:04 |
| BenC | lirc being the only exception | 17:04 |
| cking | BenC: Is lirc scheduled to be included later? | 17:06 |
| BenC | cking: if we can get it to compile | 17:07 |
| BenC | The linux-ports tree seems to be lagging right now... | 17:07 |
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| BenC | That's a nudge to the community to step up :) | 17:08 |
| BenC | That's about all I have | 17:09 |
| BenC | anyone have anything to add or ask? | 17:09 |
| BenC | rtg: want to give an update on hardy SRU's? | 17:10 |
| rtg | I'm doing 'em. | 17:10 |
| rtg | hehe | 17:10 |
| BenC | concise, I like it :) | 17:10 |
| rtg | I'm working on getting the next batch uploaded as soon as the Hardy -security release is done. | 17:10 |
| rtg | Hopefully later this week. | 17:10 |
| BenC | rtg: any notable updates in that batch? | 17:10 |
| rtg | Its an ABI bumper. | 17:11 |
| BenC | rtg: anything we can do to prevent an ABI bump? | 17:11 |
| smb_tp_ | Not do the SRUs | 17:11 |
| rtg | There are a couple of significant ACPI updates courtesy of smb | 17:11 |
| rtg | can't remember what else, 'cause there a bunch stacked up | 17:12 |
| BenC | rtg: are these SRU's in a tree where we can review them and investigate reworking the patches to prevent ABI bump? | 17:12 |
| rtg | BenC: they are all in the working Hardy git repo | 17:12 |
| rtg | I've also been building in my PPA all along | 17:13 |
| rtg | Hence, my question earlier today about getting Hardy daily builds into the kernel PPA | 17:13 |
| BenC | Ok...I might give it a once over today to see if we can do a test run of not bumping the ABI | 17:13 |
| smb_tp_ | The ones from ACPI unfortunately can't be different and after one bum the others won't hurt | 17:14 |
| rtg | frankly, I have pretty strong opinions about why its a good idea to bump the ABI, I just have not taken the time to write 'em down. | 17:14 |
| rtg | I think there are at least 3 ABI bumpers. | 17:15 |
| rtg | thats all from me. | 17:15 |
| smb_tp_ | Wasn't there one also from security? | 17:15 |
| rtg | nope | 17:15 |
| BenC | well, bumping the ABI is required if there is an actual reason to bump it...but if we can avoid it, all the better...it'd be a good exercise at the very least | 17:15 |
| BenC | rtg: thanks | 17:16 |
| BenC | Anyone else? | 17:16 |
| smb_tp_ | BenC, sure. have fun. :) | 17:16 |
| rtg | smb_tp_: the security patches added a new public interface, but that doesn't cause an ABI bump | 17:16 |
| smb_tp_ | BenC, Nope | 17:16 |
| smb_tp_ | rtg, Ok, I might well be I remoember incorrectly | 17:17 |
| BenC | Ok, meeting adjourned..have a great week and see you next Tue, same time, same place | 17:18 |
| BenC | Oh, reminder, next week there will be no IRC meeting as we'll be at sprints | 17:19 |
| === BenC changed the topic of #ubuntu-kernel to: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam | Latest kernel upload: 2.6.26-3.8 | Latest news: 2.6.26 kernel is in Intrepid | Next meeting: July 22, 16:00 UTC | Kernel Team machine: http://kernel.ubuntu.com | ||
| === BenC changed the topic of #ubuntu-kernel to: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam | Latest kernel upload: 2.6.26-3.9 | Latest news: Please test last-good-boot, now in intrepid (grub/module-init-tools) | Next meeting: July 22, 16:00 UTC | Kernel Team machine: http://kernel.ubuntu.com | ||
| mkrufky | is intrepid safe for use yet, as a developer who doesnt mind hitting a small bug now & then? | 17:20 |
| BenC | mkrufky: I can't say for sure...the kernel is pretty damn stable for me, but I am mostly hardy in userspace | 17:23 |
| BenC | I know the intel/vesa Xorg was busted somehow and is getting fixed today | 17:23 |
| mkrufky | ah, cool | 17:24 |
| mkrufky | so, how do i try that? (using interepoid kernel with hardy userspace) | 17:24 |
| mkrufky | and, i dont want to waste your time with that kind of explanation -- if there's a howto or wiki page that would do just fine | 17:24 |
| BenC | add intrepid to apt's sources.list, update and "sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic" | 17:25 |
| BenC | may also want to install new linux-restricted-modules-common (which is where all the firmware went) | 17:26 |
| mkrufky | then i would have to disable the intrepid repos afterwards to prevent from getting userspace stuff? | 17:26 |
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| BenC | "EE: 1401 symbols changed hash and weren't ignored" | 17:55 |
| BenC | rtg: that's for the current hardy build :/ | 17:55 |
| rtg | BenC: thats almost like an ABI bump, huh? | 17:58 |
| BenC | rtg: Just wonder how so many things changed | 18:01 |
| BenC | that's about the same that I get when going from rcX to rcY | 18:02 |
| BenC | and I mean the low rc's, not like rc8 to rc9 :) | 18:02 |
| rtg | BenC: when there is that many changes its usually a fundamental macro, like when we went from SCHED_USER to SCHED_CGROUPS on -generic | 18:03 |
| smb_tp_ | BenC, If you change a basic struct that has a lot of dependencies. And maybe the ACPI stuff is basic enough | 18:03 |
| BenC | I can't see how acpi can cause changes to a good chunk of the net core | 18:03 |
| smb_tp_ | BenC, Hm, no unlikely | 18:04 |
| smb_tp_ | BenC, might be something sounding harmless (like CONFIG_NETDEVICES_MULTIQUEUE=y) | 18:09 |
| BenC | smb_tp_: agreed...your acpi change for cpuidle doesn't cause an ABI bump that I can tell | 18:14 |
| smb_tp_ | BenC, no the one sure candidate was that for the irq descriptor sizes | 18:15 |
| rtg | BenC: CONFIG_NETDEVICES_MULTIQUEUE is a likely culprit | 18:15 |
| smb_tp_ | BenC, I can't remember exactly either there was something before that irq descripttor size patch or it was that patch that bumbed the abi and after that we lost slightly track | 18:17 |
| BenC | ok, MULTIQUEUE accounts for almost all of the abi changes | 18:22 |
| BenC | cpuidle accounts for 19 changes | 18:22 |
| BenC | rtg: what did we need multiqueue for again? | 18:23 |
| rtg | wireless-testing in LBM needs it for 802.11n support | 18:23 |
| rtg | BenC: or rather, compat-wireless | 18:24 |
| BenC | rtg: will it compile without it? | 18:25 |
| rtg | BenC: there was a period where it would not, but I have not checked lately. I figured it was as good a time as any to add an ABI bumping change since there were already some SRU changes that caused an ABI bump. | 18:27 |
| BenC | Yeah, the two acpi changes cause an ABI bump as well | 18:28 |
| BenC | ok, as long as we can account for the need for an ABI bump, I'm fine...the acpi fixes seem pretty serious (oopses) | 18:28 |
| rtg | BenC: you don't think I let them in for free do you? I made smb_tp_ work hard for them :) | 18:29 |
| BenC | hehe | 18:30 |
| smb_tp_ | Oh yeah... :) | 18:30 |
| BenC | I trust your judgment, but I was hoping we could work them out somehow | 18:30 |
| geser | Is the fix for bug 218516 already in the intrepid kernel? As I see the same problem with the intrepid kernel | 18:36 |
| BenC | bug #218516 | 18:42 |
| BenC | hmm...why isn't ubotu in here :-/ | 18:42 |
| rtg | sadly, ubuntoid seems missing in action | 18:43 |
| geser | http://launchpad.net/bugs/218516 [hardy] key events are delayed under circumstances | 18:43 |
| gnomefreak | BenC: ubotu left with seveas | 18:45 |
| BenC | geser: doesn't seem to have made it upstream, so no, it's not in intrepid | 18:45 |
| gnomefreak | ubottu is the new bot | 18:45 |
| BenC | I wonder about the patch, since it didn't get accepted into 2.6.26 | 18:46 |
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| _MMA_ | rtg: Has Alessio talked with you regarding any upstream issues that are holding him up with -rt? | 22:46 |
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