[00:00] <psycholic> i checked the groups put that first one in it was the same as user
[00:00] <psycholic> and still not working
[00:00] <kronoman> :O wow
[00:00] <kronoman> I get the same error if I try the alternate CD with qemu
[00:00] <psycholic> need to look over the line you gave me more i think
[00:00] <kronoman> the error is ACPI: Invalid PBLK length [5]
[00:02] <kronoman> sure the last release 8.04.1 works? :O
[00:02] <evan__> how do i install a style theme ?
[00:03] <psycholic> i'll be back later i have  to go pack some stuff under the steps for the wife...
[00:10] <ishbale> yay
[00:10] <ishbale> who knows how to run world of warcraft off the dvd
[00:11] <ishbale> any1
[00:11] <ishbale> hmm'
[00:12] <ishbale> who knows how to run world of warcraft off the dvd
[00:13] <ishbale> any1
[00:14] <dr_Willis> Normally one installs from the dvd...
[00:14] <dr_Willis> put in dvd. run 'wine /path/to/dvd/installer.exe' or whatever its called.. I imagine is the basics of it.
[00:15] <ishbale> k
[00:15] <ishbale> i brb then
[00:16] <ishbale> do i run in terminal
[00:16] <ishbale> ?
[00:17] <dr_Willis> thats the normal place to type in commands. :)
[00:17] <ishbale> lol
[00:18]  * dr_Willis is reminded of the person typing in terminal commands at the grub prompt....
[00:18] <dr_Willis> Not quite the rigght place...
[00:18] <dr_Willis> :)
[00:18] <dr_Willis> theres always alt-f2  for command entry also. but thats not ideal in theis case
[00:18] <ishbale> uh it say cant find
[00:19] <ishbale> any other ways
[00:19] <dr_Willis> Tip #1 - be VERY clear when  chatting on irc..
[00:20] <kazol> What does an "offline" SMART hard drive test mean?
[00:20] <kazol> Will the test procedure render the hard drive offline?
[00:20] <dr_Willis> 'cant find' tells me very little..
[00:20] <ishbale> o srry
[00:20] <dr_Willis> You Will need to give the correct path to the installer for the game.
[00:20] <ishbale> wine: cannot find '/path/to/dvd/installer.exe
[00:21] <ishbale> well the installer is hidden
[00:21] <dr_Willis> SO..  if you LOOK at what i said..   can you understand that  the /path/to/dvd was an example that you need to change. :)
[00:21] <dr_Willis> Hidden? Hmm.. i doubt that.
[00:21] <dr_Willis> go to the dvd and look for any .exe files.
[00:21] <ishbale> theres only 1 but it wont work
[00:22] <dr_Willis> so if you use 'wine /media/dvd/whatevertheheckitscalled.exe'    it should spit out some error messages
[00:22] <ishbale> its a pef executable
[00:22] <ishbale> k itry
[00:23] <dr_Willis> theres alwyas the  net/downloadable isntaller you could try also.
[00:23] <ishbale> wat is it plz
[00:23] <dr_Willis> I have no idea what/where its called.. I do know one exists.. someone was asking about it earlier.
[00:23] <ishbale> k i find and brb
[00:23] <evan__> how do i install a kth theme i cant find theme manager in kcontroll
[00:25] <sebr> i've got a really strange problem with a machine here: won't make outgoing connections to port 80. what could i troubleshoot?
[00:25] <dr_Willis> https://signup.worldofwarcraft.com/trial/10dayfreetrial.htm has a link to a installer it seems
[00:25] <ishbale> k
[00:25] <helpthisnoobie> what do i do if my cd failed the md5sum check
[00:25] <dr_Willis> redownload the cd. image.
[00:25] <ishbale> k
[00:25] <dr_Willis> helpthisnoobie,  you do see a lot of files on the cd? not a single .iso file?
[00:26] <dr_Willis> check the md5sum of the .iso image file befor you burn it also. is a good idea
[00:26] <helpthisnoobie> well i havent checked but i dl an iso from kubuntu page
[00:28] <helpthisnoobie> wat i did was i dl the alternate 8.04 and burned it to cd
[00:28] <helpthisnoobie> then i put it straight into my laptop and ran the cd check
[00:29] <dr_Willis> theres some md5sum tools for windows - that you may want to try on the .iso file and if it fails - redownload it.. if it says ok. burn it with a  tool at low speed.
[00:29] <helpthisnoobie> damn it i think i burned it a 40X
[00:30] <helpthisnoobie> so i shouldnt try the install with this cd
[00:31] <dr_Willis> If it faild the md5sum.. its a bad cd.
[00:31] <dr_Willis> if theres just a .iso file on the cd.. you burnt it totally wrong. :)
[00:32] <helpthisnoobie> well how do i burn it cause I thought that all I had to do was dl the iso and burn it
[00:33] <dr_Willis> What progrem did you use? what files are ON the cd? look at it. and tell :)
[00:33] <evan__> how do i install a kth theme i cant find theme manager in kcontroll?
[00:34] <dr_Willis> evan__,  try systemsettings -> appearance, drag and drop to it?
[00:34] <dr_Willis> !customize
[00:34] <dr_Willis> !theme
[00:34] <dr_Willis> !changethemes
[00:38] <evan__> dr_Willis: i already visited that site it wont give my an idea appeareance doesnt have the theme manager option
[00:39] <dr_Willis> evan__,  try this then.. Right click on panel.. add applet --> add the 'settings' applet.
[00:40] <dr_Willis> that settings applet has   an icon for 'theme manager' but theres some othe rways to get to it as well
[00:41] <evan__> dr_Willis: thanx!
[00:41] <helpthisnoobie> looks like my installer is working right
[00:41] <dr_Willis> and that settings thing is getting removed in kde4 i belive
[00:42] <dr_Willis> or so i hear. :)  they have revamoped the kde settings layouts. with kcontrol and so forth.
[00:42] <helpthisnoobie> ok im at the partition disks section
[00:42] <helpthisnoobie> I want to dual boot this computer
[00:43] <dr_Willis> alternative way --> terminal run  kcontrol ->  Appearance & themes -> theme manager
[00:43] <helpthisnoobie> what partitioning method should i use
[00:43] <ishbale> hey willis
[00:44] <ishbale> where do i get libdvdcss2
[00:44] <dr_Willis> !dvd
[00:44] <dr_Willis> ishbale,  the medibuntu repos have it.
[00:44] <ishbale> lol k
[00:44] <dr_Willis> helpthisnoobie,  depends on what you want to keep, and your drive sizes and tasks.
[00:44] <dr_Willis> helpthisnoobie,  Be VERY carefull. the wrong  selection will delete your hd and whipe out windows. :)
[00:44] <helpthisnoobie> well I want to go 50/50 on this hd
[00:45] <dr_Willis> tell it to resize the  wndows install then I think.. i forget the exact option
[00:45] <helpthisnoobie> I have six options
[00:45] <dr_Willis> I always resize my widnows partitions manually, and leave part of the HD unallocatged.. i then tell the installer to use the Unallocated space.
[00:46] <dr_Willis> so i dont have all the options memorized. :)
[00:46] <helpthisnoobie> guided- resize scsi2 (0,0,0), partition #1 (sda) and use freed spade
[00:46] <helpthisnoobie> guided- use entire disk
[00:46] <dr_Willis> You wish to resize, and use free space I imagine.
[00:46] <helpthisnoobie> Guided- use the largest continuous free space
[00:47] <helpthisnoobie> guided- use the entire disk and set up lvm
[00:47] <helpthisnoobie> guided-use entire disk and setup enrypted lvm
[00:47] <helpthisnoobie> manual
[00:48] <helpthisnoobie> ok choosing guided- resize scsi2 (0,0,0), partition #1 (sda) and use freed space
[00:50] <helpthisnoobie> gives me error, "The resize operation is impossible. Because of an unknown reason it is impossible to resize this partition. check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for the details"
[00:50] <p2p> can you unlock apt-get for using for installing two packages at the same time?
[00:52] <kronoman> hi, me again, managed to boot without the ACPI error
[00:52] <kronoman> but now shows some DRDY ERR
[00:52] <kronoman> that I don't know what the hell is
[00:52] <kronoman> and will not boot
[00:53] <kronoman> something like
[00:53] <kronoman> ata6.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[00:53] <kronoman> ata6.00: error: { ICRC ABRT }
[00:53] <kronoman> screen full of them
[00:53] <kronoman> and hangs
[00:53] <tinin> whats the fastest way to transfer files between 2 pc with the filemanager? fish or sftp?
[00:54] <helpthisnoobie> ok i need some help please
[00:55] <helpthisnoobie> can i use a partitioning tool for windows and partition there first
[00:55] <candive> Hi all today I find myself unable to play any of my movies either on windows or any linux distro. Why????????
[00:56] <tinin> helpthisnoobie yeah
[00:57] <rhubarb> candive: movies like DVDs, or movies like files on your computer
[00:57] <candive> rhubarb, DVD movies I have many
[00:57] <candive> bought and paid for
[00:58] <rhubarb> if it occurs on both OSes, I'd guess that it is a hardware faliure. Does your DVD drive read CDs? data DVDs?
[00:58] <candive> yes thyey have worked in the past
[00:58] <candive> yes
[00:59] <rhubarb> and does it list the files on the movie DVDs?
[00:59] <candive> yes
[00:59] <dr_Willis> helpthisnoobie,  befor trying to resdize your windows partition, defrag it and scandisk it..
[01:00] <dr_Willis> helpthisnoobie, if using vista.. let vista resize the partition, and leave a section of the drive unallocated
[01:00] <candive> rhubarb, when I open the vid and audio files
[01:00] <candive> nothing happens
[01:00] <GS3User> can anyone tell me where to go to get help making compiz fusion run in kde4?
[01:01] <rhubarb> ok, so browsing the DVD is fine, but the files are not opening correctly. have you tried copying a file from the DVD to your hard drive to verify it is reading data correctly?
[01:01] <helpthisnoobie> scandisk is already in windows right?
[01:01] <yao_ziyuan> my kubuntu 8.04's desktop icon text has gray skin and black bone. how do i change that?
[01:01] <candive> rhubarb, yes same thing will not play
[01:02] <kronoman> mmm, this is the 5th CD I record of kubuntu
[01:02] <kronoman> this is getting old pretty fast
[01:02] <rhubarb> ok, since we believe the DVD drive is reading files correctly, we should assume that it is a different problem.
[01:02] <dr_Willis> kronoman,  look on the cd.. what files are on it?  do you see a single .iso file? or a lot of other files?
[01:02] <kronoman> no, lots of files, the md5sums are perfect
[01:03] <kronoman> the cd with the iso, and the iso with the md5sum on the website
[01:03] <dr_Willis> kronoman,  ok.. Thats a good sign then...
[01:03] <rhubarb> candive: you say this is a problem on both windows and linux. is there anything particular you think it might be? changed graphics card, or do you have one of those old DVD decoder cards?
[01:03] <dr_Willis> You covered your bases. :)
[01:03] <dr_Willis> kronoman,  so the installer failes or what excactly?
[01:03] <kronoman> recording the kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso at 4X now, to a Sony CD-R 700 mb
[01:03] <kronoman> sometimes it fails at boot, sometimes when copying the files to disk
[01:03] <candive> rhubarb, Nvidia ge force 5500
[01:04] <kronoman> for example, the alternate fails at boot
[01:04] <kronoman> the desktop fails when copying files to disk
[01:04] <kronoman> and in some machines it works and some others no
[01:04] <kronoman> i.e the 7.04 installs ok on this one (i'm using it right now) but did not worked on my gf computer
[01:04] <kronoman> so she is now without OS (and without computer)
[01:05] <rhubarb> candive: ok, so if that hasnt changed then this is a wierd bug. as I say the fact that it is cross OS indicates a hardware faliure, but given it is reading data from the DVD drive correctly, and there doesnt seem to be an issue with the display, its hard to think of another point of faliure
[01:05] <GS3User> can anyone tell me where to go to get help making compiz fusion run in kde4?
[01:05] <dr_Willis> GS3User,  Hmm.. i think basicially.. you DONT. :)
[01:05] <candive> rhubarb, I cannot play with kubuntu Movie Player. one system at a time.
[01:05] <rhubarb> candive: I'm still inclined to suspect the DVD drive. try a spare if possible
[01:05] <dr_Willis> kde4 has its own eyecandy
[01:05] <dr_Willis> !kde4
[01:06] <dr_Willis> kronoman,  you could  move the hd to another box and install from there and move it back..
[01:06] <dr_Willis> or perhaps try a net install
[01:06] <rhubarb> candive: as in dragon?
[01:06] <candive> rhubarb, ok thanks will check hardware later dont have one now. thank you. dragon No.
[01:06] <rhubarb> candive: KMplayer?
[01:06] <candive> yes
[01:07] <candive> candive, Breathe!
[01:07] <kronoman> what I suspect is that squashfs is a little prone to read failure
[01:07] <kronoman> the installer should have a option to skip the file it can't read
[01:07] <dr_Willis> kronoman,  yep. I hear that it has very high compression and can have issues.
[01:07] <kronoman> or at least retry reading it
[01:08] <kronoman> I mean, sometimes when the file fails, you remove the CD  give it a spin, put it back and works
[01:08] <dr_Willis> Ya dont want to know the disaster ive had with installing windows with a sctratched cd.. :)
[01:08] <kronoman> would be cool a "retry" button
[01:08] <kronoman> instead of just bailing out at 99% files copied to disk
[01:08] <candive> rhubarb, I spent all day loading win so I'm a little short its for my sons dual boot.:)
[01:08] <dr_Willis> on windows once it couldent read the CRITICAL windows media player files.. :) i ended up swaping the install cd's as it was instaslling.. and hit it with a hammer. :P
[01:09] <candive> dr_willis :D
[01:09] <kronoman> the problem is, the ubikuiti GUI don't has a retry option in this release
[01:09] <kronoman> once the read fails, all the process is back again
[01:09] <kronoman> I could swap CDs otherwise, I have like 5 of the same CD going around here
[01:09] <dr_Willis> candive,  yea. I could get a windows install that i could Not remove, or install wmp.  on after install due to missing files.
[01:09] <rhubarb> candive: if we think its sofrware: KMplayer can be a front end for a lot of media backends, and it may have decided to use a different one, or got broke by an update. I'd recomend trying VLC player, as that has its own codecs integrated, to test if its a software problem
[01:10] <rhubarb> candive: i.e. install that, play a media file on it (something.avi) to test it displays to screen, then try the DVD
[01:10] <candive> rhubarb, will do.
[01:11] <ishbale> hey willis
[01:11] <ishbale> wats compiz fusion
[01:11] <dr_Willis> !compiz
[01:11] <dr_Willis> ishbale,  thats what gives ubuntu/gnome the disgusting eye candy effects. :)
[01:11] <dr_Willis> useable under kde3 also.
[01:11] <ishbale> ah
[01:11] <ishbale> just wonderin
[01:12] <candive> back later, maybe my son would like to try a microwave trick with windows. no love lost here. see you later. thank you.
[01:12] <dr_Willis> its the kind of thing you enable to show off... then turn off.. to get work done. :)
[01:14] <kronoman> wonder if is OK if I browse the web while the CD records
[01:14] <kronoman> this ain't a 486 with a 2X recorder, should work right?
[01:15] <rhubarb> in fairness, modern PCs shouldnt mess up recording cos of buffer underrun
[01:15] <dr_Willis> Yea.. i  burn cd while watching movies all the time  now a days
[01:23] <baudthief> I've got this strange problem. Something executes perfectly fine when I run it from a shell, but when I try and make it a cron job, nothing happens. Syslog shows that the command has run at the specified time, but that's all
[01:23] <baudthief> the command is '/usr/bin/rsync -ah /home/baudthief /mnt/500G_2/rsync'
[01:23] <baudthief> any ideas?
[01:28] <trevor> hello
[01:38] <helpthisnoobie> what can I use to partition my hardrive thru windows
[01:38] <baudthief> partition magic
[01:38] <Cheezwhiz> Question.  If I install Kubuntu inside Windows and something goes wrong, will I need to reformat my whole system or does Kubuntu partition my HDD during the install?
[01:39] <helpthisnoobie> is partition magic free
[01:39] <baudthief> nope
[01:39] <helpthisnoobie> i need to get thru this install
[01:39] <ubuntu> cobao22mora@hotmail.com
[01:39] <baudthief> do you need to create a windows or linux partition?
[01:39] <helpthisnoobie> i want to create a partition on this hd so that I can install linux(kubuntu
[01:40] <baudthief> why not just boot off the kubuntu disc and let it create your partition for you :P
[01:40] <helpthisnoobie> cause i tried that already and it wont let me
[01:43] <ishbale> hmm
[01:43] <Cheezwhiz> Anyone up for giving a noob some advice?
[01:44] <Cheezwhiz> I just got Kubuntu downloaded and burned the .iso to a disc.  However, whenever I go to boot off of the disc to try it out in locks up right after the language selection screen.  Any ideas?
[01:45] <dr_Willis> Cheezwhiz,  hit escape when it asks for the language, and see what other boot optiuons it has.
[01:45] <dr_Willis> ther emay be a failsafe mode.
[01:45] <Cheezwhiz> copy, thanks
[01:48] <bfrog> why is there no ccmake with the cmake 2.6 package...
[01:49] <dr_Willis> !find ccmake
[01:50] <Cheezwhiz> That didn't work either.  Got to the selection screen for whether I want to try it out or install it, but when I selected try it out I got an "unable to read boot CD" error.
[01:50] <helpthisnoobie> if I dl kubuntu 8.04 alternate and ran md5sum on it and got 8 errors what should i do
[01:51] <helpthisnoobie> md5sum was run on the cd that I burned
[01:51] <adred> can't open "run dialog" after enabling desktop effects. nothing shows up when i press alt F2. how do i fix it?help pls.
[01:51] <JoshuaP0x> is there a ubuntu support chan?
[01:51] <Dragnslcr> Tried #ubuntu?
[01:52] <Dragnslcr> Er
[01:52] <Dragnslcr> Tried #ubuntu ?
[01:52] <dr_Willis> :)
[01:52] <dr_Willis> Logical eh.
[01:52] <JoshuaP0x> ty
[01:53] <makedon> one Greek user pm plz!
[01:53] <Cheezwhiz> If I install Kubuntu within Windows Vista and something occurs during the install to cause Kubuntu to fail will I have to reformat my whole HDD or can I simply get rid of Kubuntu?
[01:53] <dr_Willis> Only Greek i know is "one gyro please" :)
[01:53] <dr_Willis> within windows - with 'wubi' allows linux to be removed with the add/remove control panel applet.
[01:54] <dr_Willis> it installs into a single file (i think) on the windows drive.
[01:54] <jimmy51_home> my sound system appears to have died.  how can i restart sound without rebooting?
[01:54] <dr_Willis> and i do not reccomend using wubi.
[01:54] <dr_Willis> !alsa
[01:54] <jimmy51_home> it's been running fine... mid streaming MP3 it quit, and now i get xine errors
[01:54] <jimmy51_home> can i restart alsa?
[01:55] <Cheezwhiz> What you recommend since I can't boot off of the CD-ROM for some reason?  I want to try this out, but I don't want to do anything to jeopardize the files that I have currently.
[01:55] <dr_Willis> try sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart                          perhaps
[01:55] <jimmy51_home> k
[01:55] <dr_Willis> Cheezwhiz,  go get virtualbox, and run/install it inside virtualbox.
[01:55] <dr_Willis> Cheezwhiz,  that way you can run linux and windows at same time.
[01:55] <Cheezwhiz> Thanks much.  Promise I'll stop bugging you at some point.
[01:55] <Githzerai_> jimmy51_home:sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[01:55] <dr_Willis> You may be able to find premade virtualbox images also.
[01:56] <jimmy51_home> huh
[01:56] <jimmy51_home> still didn't work
[01:56] <jimmy51_home> sigh, i'll just pretend it's windows and reboot
[01:56] <jimmy51_home> brb
[01:57] <bfrog> ok... supposedly there's ccmake but I don't have it in the backport package for cmake 2.6...
[01:58] <Githzerai_> bfrog: Try cmake from ppa
[01:58] <adred> can't open "run dialog" after enabling desktop effects. nothing shows up when i press alt F2. i checked the key bindings in ccsm and  the short-cut key is still the same. how do i fix it?help pls.
[01:58] <bfrog> whats ppa
[01:59] <dr_Willis> !ppa
[01:59] <Githzerai_> bfrog: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[01:59] <bfrog> I think I have that already
[02:00] <bfrog> yeah I do
[02:00] <Githzerai_> bfrog: It's the latest cmake package we have for Hardy. Though you don't need ccmake that much...
[02:00] <bfrog> ok... thats a major flaw in the cmake package then
[02:01] <Githzerai_> bfrog: What are u trying to compile, maybe I can help.
[02:01] <bfrog> kdevplatform
[02:01] <bfrog> I have boost installed, so it finds it
[02:01] <bfrog> I want to make it so it doesn't use boost
[02:01] <bfrog> seriously though, wtf is with the no ccmake
[02:01] <bfrog> its like half the cmake package
[02:02] <makedon> one greek user prive plz!
[02:03] <Githzerai_> bfrog: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4/  is basic command for example. Just add option not to use boost
[02:03] <bfrog> right, well ccmake would help a lot here...
[02:03] <bfrog> because I don't have a clue what var to define for cmake to not use boost
[02:04] <Githzerai_> bfrog: It should be in doc
[02:07] <Cheezwhiz> I must have a bad disc.  Even on VirtualBox it's doing the same thing.
[02:08] <dr_Willis> Cheezwhiz,  sounds like it to me. Virtualbox can use the iso image file. no need to burn to disk
[02:09] <Cheezwhiz> Ah, didn't know that.  Thanks again.
[02:09] <ishbale> hey willis wat can i use to extract .rar files
[02:09] <dr_Willis> I use virtualbox to test out live cds
[02:09] <dr_Willis> ishbale,  the rar commands :)
[02:09] <dr_Willis> !rar
[02:09] <ishbale> k
[02:09] <dr_Willis> !find rar
[02:09] <dr_Willis> Hmm
[02:10] <dr_Willis> !find unrar
[02:10] <dr_Willis> install unrar, and use 'unrar e whatever.rar' i think
[02:10] <rhubarb> is there anyway to make unrar work with the archive gui, or otherwise read rars with that?
[02:10] <dr_Willis> I dont mess with guis for that.
[02:10] <dr_Willis> i think ark can handle it.. not sure about others
[02:10] <dr_Willis> !info unp
[02:10] <dr_Willis> i wonder if unp handle rars also..
[02:19] <GS3User_> can anyone tell me what I should do to install/configure a driver for an nvidia gefore 6200?
[02:19] <makedon> one greek user prive plz
[02:20] <Githzerai_> GS3User_: Whay happened ?
[02:21] <K350> Is there anywhere I cna edit resolution manually in kubuntu?
[02:21] <mr---t-> !gr
[02:22] <mr---t-> !GR | makedon
[02:29] <kronoman> well, I tried 8.04.1 finally :)
[02:30] <kronoman> weird enough, the alternate CD exploded, while the desktop CD worked fine
[02:30] <kronoman> still did not installed, but passed the verify CD check
[02:30] <kronoman> and the md5 checks, so I guess should install without trouble
[02:30] <kronoman> now... if one wants to collaborate with the project, what can you do/join?
[02:31] <kronoman> I work as game developer and programmer here, I could code some stuff or fix bugs or other code related tasks
[02:32] <Atheos> hi, i just bought a new laptop, hp dv2945 and i have it set up to dual boot. i am having a tough time configuring the wireless card and the nvidia geforce card. i was wondering if anybody could help me
[02:32] <Atheos> i am running the latest kubuntu and vista
[02:35] <bfrog> any way to get fglrx to not cause a lockup on logout?
[02:35] <bfrog> everytime I logout it locks up the system and blacks out the screens
[02:35] <bfrog> with the vesa driver its fine of course...
[02:35] <bfrog> but alas, no acceleration
[02:37] <nicknock> this really sucks with wifi.  KDE will not hold the WEP infomation what am i doing wrong.  It sucks since it takes me 20 min to hook up to the internet everytime.
[02:38] <candive> Hi, when I get kubuntu where I want it can I lock it in place, or do I need updates? updates seem to cause instability for me.
[02:40] <candive> nicknock, I had a similar problem. I think I right clicked on the signal meter and switched from 1-0 or 0-1
[02:41] <candive> oh well, format and reload no updates this time.
[02:41] <candive> chow
[02:46] <nicknock> this really sucks with wifi.  KDE will not hold the WEP infomation what am i doing wrong.  It sucks since it takes me 20 min to hook up to the internet everytime.
[02:47] <Atheos> is there anybody on here available to help out configuring a new laptop with kubuntu
[02:49] <nicknock> does anyone have any brains?
[02:50] <Jucato> !patience | nicknock
[02:51] <nicknock> and i have done the same thing with the rooms so get a life
[02:52] <Jucato> your attitude won't magically get you help
[02:52] <nicknock> yea becuase no one knows
[02:53] <Jucato> maybe. maybe not
[02:53] <Jucato> that doesn't mean you can go insulting people
[02:53] <Jucato> !coc | nicknock
[02:54] <nicknock> why should i even help when i can't get anyhelp. As i said before i put in my time on windows xp
[02:55] <nicknock> go figure
[02:56] <Jucato> why should we help people like you who demand help and treat people like they're working for you?
[02:57] <WindowSmasher> I want to have my computer shut down when I press the power button. I've googled the crap out of this and all I can see is a command line fix. Where would I find a GUI power control menu. One HAS to exist.
[02:58] <tuxwulf> WindowSmasher: In he properties of the battery thing on your taskbar, I thought...?
[02:58] <WindowSmasher> tuxwulf: No. The only option remotely similar is the option to shutdown when the lid closes.
[02:59] <Githzerai_> WindowSmasher: such setting exists in BIOS. Did u set it there first ?
[02:59] <WindowSmasher> For the most part, I know my way around. I've been using linux for about 4 years and am fairly proficient with both gnome and kde
[03:00] <WindowSmasher> Githzerai_: I don't believe my BIOS is the answer. I don't mean to be rude, but that isn't what I'm looking for.
[03:00] <Jucato> WindowSmasher: might be related to this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpid/+bug/208063
[03:00] <WindowSmasher> There is an option in gnome that I know does what I'm looking for. I'm in search for the kde config
[03:00] <nicknock> trying to solve this for the last week you tell me. hmm crapy OS>
[03:00] <WindowSmasher> nicknock: No no! Not "crappy OS"
[03:01] <tuxwulf> nicknock: interestingly, wireless and how that works in kubuntu is one of the best things about it...
[03:02] <Jucato> WindowSmasher: don't bother. he's treating everyone like it's his God-given right to be helped. or at least that we're in his payroll
[03:02] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: That bug is in reference to the menu of options you are presented with when you hit the power button. I'm getting the option to select an action after I've pressed the power button, but I would like the computer to shut down once the power button is pressed (versus getting another menu).
[03:02] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: He's just miserable. We'll leave him in the corner until he's fit for slapping
[03:03] <Jucato> WindowSmasher: hm... did you do something special to set up the power button in KDE? becuase if you did, you could run a command to directly shutdown
[03:04] <Githzerai_> WindowSmasher: Maybe, I'm completely wrong, but when i set it there to be shutdown or restart my KDE responds accordingly It's up to you to decide... ;)
[03:04] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: As I said earlier (you may have missed it), I would like to find a gui config for this event.
[03:04] <nicknock> not in kubuntu it sucks and has a bug that needs to be fixed so what is the next best distro for kde?
[03:04] <dthacker> WindowSmasher: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96086   It's not a gui option, but.....
[03:04] <Jucato> WindowSmasher: I meant that maybe you can map your shutdown button to a KDE dcop command in Input Actions
[03:05] <WindowSmasher> Githzerai_: Yes. I am presented with a list of options (shutdown, restart, etc) when I press the power button. I would like it to immediately log out and shut down with no further user input
[03:05] <WindowSmasher> To all assisting: Yes I absolutely CAN use a dcop command to shut it down. I'm unsatisfied with that approach ( I know it is a bit childish ).
[03:05] <Githzerai_> WindowSmasher: Deosn't it have a counter for default action ?
[03:06] <WindowSmasher> Githzerai_: Not that I know of
[03:06] <Jucato> Githzerai_: that would be KDE 4
[03:06] <WindowSmasher> Little off topic, is anyone else finding KDE4 to be slow and ... choppy with its responses to the user?
[03:06] <tuxwulf> nicknock: Well, there are dozens of distroes to try. Good luck...
[03:07] <Jucato> http://andrejserafim.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/kde-shutdown-logout-restart/
[03:07] <WindowSmasher> nicknock: Go for mandriva. You've got to crawl before you can walk.
[03:07] <Jucato> WindowSmasher: what video card?
[03:07] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: NVIDIA GeeForce440 go
[03:07] <Jucato> nicknock: and I suggest getting a distro that offers commercial support and pay for that. then you can whine all you want and demand when you're not getting help
[03:07] <Jucato> WindowSmasher: that would explain it...
[03:08] <Atheos> hello
[03:08] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: Isn't NVIDIA better supported?
[03:08] <Jucato> WindowSmasher: not this time, unfortunately
[03:08] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: That's why I custom built my laptop (on the dell website lol)
[03:08] <Jucato> yeah... disappointed with nvidia here as well
[03:08] <Githzerai_> Well, i hope I didn't forgot KDE 3 so quickly, but there was a setting for default action. I think it was systemsettings- session manager ?
[03:08] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: What a kick in the face with a golf shoe!
[03:09] <Jucato> anyway, WindowSmasher, if you can find a way to map your power button to a command in Input Actions, you can use this tip
[03:09] <WindowSmasher> Githzerai_: Oooh! That sounds familiar!
[03:09] <Jucato> http://andrejserafim.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/kde-shutdown-logout-restart/
[03:09] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: I've run into that page a few times. It's not what I'm looking for.
[03:10] <Jucato> WindowSmasher: hm.. ok try this then
[03:10] <Jucato> (hope it works)
[03:10] <Jucato> System Settings -> Advanced -> Session Manager
[03:11] <WindowSmasher> YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[03:11] <Jucato> you can probably uncheck Confirm Logout and Offer Shutdown options, and set Default Shutdown to Turn off computer
[03:11] <WindowSmasher> lol
[03:11] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: I'd kiss you if I knew what you looked like!
[03:11] <Jucato> but that would apply it even if you go throug the K Menu
[03:11] <Jucato> lol
[03:11] <Jucato> nah thank Githzerai_
[03:11] <Jucato> he had half the answer
[03:11] <WindowSmasher> Githzerai_: I appreciate everything
[03:11] <WindowSmasher> Thanks all!
[03:11] <WindowSmasher> I'm gonna test it out.
[03:11] <Jucato> (though the timer is completely KDE 4 or openSUSE KDE 3)
[03:11]  * Githzerai_ is still in KDE3 form :)
[03:11] <WindowSmasher> I feel foolish for overlooking that
[03:11] <Jucato> WindowSmasher: the bad thing is that it will apply to the logout in the kmenu as well
[03:12] <Jucato> so it's an all or nothing deal
[03:12] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: I rarely use the kmenu if my power button is shutting down anyway
[03:12] <Jucato> heh ok
[03:12] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: I'm just fine with that
[03:12] <Jucato> guess you never had to reboot :)
[03:13] <Jucato> WindowSmasher: I'm on opensuse right now.. and I just saw that KPowersave actually had a special option just for it :)
[03:13]  * Jucato tests it
[03:13] <WindowSmasher> I'm gonna hit my power button. If I log, you'll know you're all geniuses lol
[03:13] <Jucato> heh nothing :)
[03:13] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: Opensuse doesn't love me anymore. She teases me
[03:13] <Jucato> :P
[03:13] <WindowSmasher> CURSES! lol
[03:13] <Jucato> didn't work?
[03:13] <WindowSmasher> It brought up a tiny window that asked "LOG OUT"
[03:13] <WindowSmasher> lol
[03:13] <WindowSmasher> One sec
[03:14] <WindowSmasher> wait for it!!!!!!!
[03:14] <WindowSmasher> GRRRRR
[03:14] <Jucato> :(
[03:14] <WindowSmasher> one moe gain
[03:14] <WindowSmasher> Curse this damn thing
[03:15] <Jucato> so it still shows the logout options?
[03:15] <WindowSmasher> Yeah
[03:15]  * WindowSmasher kicks the dirt
[03:15] <WindowSmasher> Oh well
[03:15] <Jucato> did you uncheck both options at the top?
[03:15] <WindowSmasher> Yeah I did
[03:15] <WindowSmasher> It's cool.
[03:15] <Jucato> weird..
[03:15] <WindowSmasher> I'm gonna poke around some more
[03:15] <Jucato> might be a bug
[03:15] <WindowSmasher> You peeps are awesome.
[03:15]  * Jucato can't make kpowersave's feature work :P
[03:15] <WindowSmasher> Jucato: What version of Suse are you using?
[03:15] <Jucato> maybe it doesn't respond to laptop's powerbuttons ;)
[03:15] <Jucato> 11
[03:16] <Jucato> just trying it ou
[03:16] <Jucato> out*
[03:16] <Githzerai_> WindowSmasher: Sure u checked out showing and confirming the logout screen? Had to ask again, sorry....
[03:16] <Jucato> anyway, gotta go
[03:17] <mefisto__> booting in recovery mode should give me write access to the entire disk, correct?
[03:17] <WindowSmasher> yea me too ttly!
[03:20] <moan_> hola alguien me puede hechar una mano con openssh?
[03:20] <Pici> !es | moan_
[03:20] <_2> package netmgr asks for password "What is the password of the database system administrator?"   what should i do ?
[03:25] <mefisto__> booting in recovery mode should give me write access to the entire disk, correct?
[03:27] <flaccid> i dunno mefisto__ check mount etc.
[03:29] <mefisto__> anyone else know why booting in recovery mode would be read-only ?
[03:30] <flaccid> check the log mefisto__ could of mounted read only because of errors
[03:31] <mefisto__> and running fsck when mounted read-only is the right way to fix errors, right?
[03:35] <flaccid> um depends i think. thats in the case of when its the boot fs. other fs best to do unmounted
[03:35] <flaccid> i think
[03:36] <dthacker> mefisto: filesystem type?
[03:37] <dthacker> mefisto__: ^^^
[03:38] <mefisto__> dthacker: ext3, it's the main partition kubuntu created
[03:44] <pirata> oi, I found a bug in the install process. The installer asumes that the hd it is installing on is the Primary Master one and puts root (hd0,0) in the grub conf which creates an unbootable setup in case it is not (such us mine, I only had to change one line and voila)
[03:47] <flaccid> pirata: a few bugs like that. see if you can submit a bug on it or comment an existing one
[03:50] <mefisto__> is that really a bug? maybe a useability issue
[03:51] <flaccid> logical bug at least
[03:51] <flaccid> im off
[03:51] <darcy> shane__: hey there
[03:52] <shane__> darcy: hello
[03:52] <shane__> hello darc
[03:54] <shane__> darcy: #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:57] <pirata> well if something doesn't work out as expected it is a bug for me at least. It resulted in an unbootable system and the user had no choice to fill
[03:58] <pirata> i'll see if there is an open bug about it
[04:09] <K350> Where do I fix the screen resolution in kubuntu?
[04:10] <dthacker> K350: system settings--->monitor and display
[04:17] <_2> anyone know sound ?    intel-hda  ?
[04:17] <_2> it's working,  but i have almost no control over it.
[04:18] <_2> alsamixer has three adjustments   main pcm and capture
[04:18] <_2> any way to improve that ?
[04:20] <_2> i asked in #alsa   one guy answered "paste cat /proc/asound/version" i did and it got quiet in there....    i waited for many minutes... nothing.      i asked in #ubuntu   no reply at all.    asked several times over the course of an hour.
[04:21] <_2> it was kinda like no one speaks binary anymore....  10001010011010_2
[04:21] <nicknock> i don't understand the "nano -w" in this line.  sudo nano -w /etc/network/interfaces
[04:22] <_2> sorry i mean speaks to _2 any more   ^
[04:22] <_2> nicknock man nano
[04:22] <_2> then hit /-w
[04:23] <nicknock> got it thanks. never heard the command nano
[04:25] <jennifer_> hmm
[04:26] <ishbale> huuuuuuuuh
[04:28] <_2> ishbale what means    dpkg ?
[04:28] <martijn81> debian package
[04:28] <djg9282> Hello. Just was wondering if i had to do an upgrade to get my Hardy Heron updated to 8.04.1 or does that happen automatically progressively when i get security updates and such?
[04:28] <_2> martijn81 you are not who i asked.... ;/
[04:29] <_2> djg9282 security updates and such should take care of it.
[04:31] <djg9282> _2: thanks...so only major updates would require the upgrade option...for instance when 8.10 comes out then i would have to do an upgrade?
[04:31] <K350> carlos_: Hm..I don't have that one. I installed a command-line system first adn then I installed kde-core xorg and kdm
[04:32] <_2> djg9282 yeah only base system and release version.
[04:32] <K350> dthacker: sorry that one was for you
[04:32] <djg9282> _2: thanks for your help. appreciate it.
[04:33] <dthacker> K350: then I don't have an answer for you, sorry
[04:33] <K350> so there's no system settigns ..at leasst I can't see any where it says monitor and such
[04:33] <nicknock> what type of problum your having k3250?
[04:33] <_2> djg9282 it shouldn't hurt at any time to run, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    that would only do a base system and installed package update if there are any in the hardy repos.
[04:33] <K350> dthacker: I thougt on could customize teh resolution by hand somehwre
[04:34] <_2> djg9282 not that it's needed.   just if you want to check.
[04:34] <nicknock> dthacker i don't recall but if he has a nvidea he needs to change a file there is a bug
[04:34] <nicknock> i can be wrong to.
[04:35] <djg9282> _2: do i have to go to the command line to do that or can i just go to Adept and do all that stuff from there?
[04:35] <_2> djg9282 that would be a terminal command.
[04:35] <dthacker> K350: it's quit possible you can adjust it by hand, but I don't know where.
[04:36] <K350> dthacker: btw how do one make a link a shortcut ?
[04:36] <_2> ln -s
[04:36] <djg9282> _2: i understand its a terminal command, but couldn't i just go to Adept to check to see if there are any distro updates?
[04:36] <K350> _2: Merci!:)
[04:37] <nicknock> thanks guys got it running
[04:37] <_2> djg9282 if you do that you "may" in advertantly do a release upgrade.   i'm not sure how there are scripting that now.
[04:37] <dthacker> K350: never done that either.
[04:38] <djg9282> _2: ok let me jot that info down...thanks
[04:38] <_2> djg9282 np
[04:39] <K350> _2: eh. if I want to make a link to A called B should it be ln -s /patch/A /patch/B ?
[04:39] <_2> yep.  or relative path.   ln -s A /patch/B
[04:39] <K350> what is a relative path?
[04:39] <_2> the second is prolly more stable i "most" conditions.
[04:40] <_2> the links points dirrectly at the other inode   not at it's full path.
[04:40] <_2> then if you move the dir the link is not broken
[04:41] <_2> K350 see ?
[04:41] <_2> si ?
[04:41] <_2> C ?
[04:41] <K350> so somehtng like ln -s /usr/bin /app B ?
[04:41] <_2> no. that has three paths.   that would fail
[04:42] <K350> oh sorry should be  nl -s /usr/bin/whatever B
[04:43] <_2> example 1 full path;    ln -s /usr/bin/blah /usr/bin/B     example 2 relative path;  ln -s blah /usr/bin/B
[04:44] <K350> if I use example 2 B will work nomahter where I move it..right?
[04:44] <_2> see how it works?     the last path is the inode you are creating (the link)    the first path is the inode that already exists
[04:44] <_2> K350 if you use example 2   b will work as long as blah is in the same dir with it.
[04:45] <_2> K350 if you use example 1 B will work as long as blah doesn't move.
[04:45] <K350> Ah I thin I've got it!:)
[04:46] <_2> so then in example 1 you could move B only and it would still work but if you moved /usr/bin  B would fail    and in example 2 if you move B only B would fail.  but if you move /usr/bin B would still work.
[04:46] <_2> really depends on what you need and expect to happen in the feuture
[04:46] <mefisto__> actually, I think you can have more than 2 paths in the command if the last one is a directory. Then it will create links to each path in the directory you specify at the end
[04:49] <_2> hard links on the other hand (which have to be on the same fs) are like two copies of the same inode,  but if you edit one they both change. and if you delete one the other will still work.   hard links are actually two inodes pointing at the same data.  as if there were two names for one file.   hard links have several limitations of course.
[04:50] <_2> one good thing about hard links,  you could have say 7 hard links to an inode and delete any and as many as you choose, as long as one still exists the file is still there/accessable
[04:52] <_2> echo "this is a test" > boo  ;cat boo  ;ln boo boo_who ;rm boo ;cat boo_who
[04:53] <_2> makes file boo with the text "this is a test" in it.   displays it's content links it to boo_who and then deletes the origenal   and displays the content of boo_who   which is the origenal data.
[04:54] <_2> which is the origenal data ... just accessed from another inode.
[04:55] <mefisto__> if you hard link to a symlink, is the hard link target the symlink or the symlink's target? that is, can you delete the symlink and still have the hard link working?
[04:55] <_2> that of course doesn't work with symbolic links.  if you rm the origenal then all you have left is a dangeling symlink that points at nothing
[04:55] <_2> mefisto__ can you hard link a symlink ?
[04:55] <_2> i've never tried
[04:56] <mefisto__> _2: I don't really know, maybe I should experiment
[04:56] <_2> :)
[04:57] <_2> you can  but the hardlink is just another way to get to the symlinks meta data
[04:58] <_2> i.e. to answer your question the hardlink is a second copy of the symlink not of the symlinks target
[04:59] <_2> you can't hardlink dirs though   you can symlink just about anthing anywhere
[04:59] <mefisto__> _2: are you sure? I just created a symlink, then a hard link to that symlink, then rm the symlink, and the hard link still points to the deleted symlink's target
[05:00] <_2> mefisto__ correct "points to it" not is it.  if you rm the symlinks target insted you then have two dangeling symlinks on your hands
[05:01] <_2> i'll code a poc for you.
[05:01] <mefisto__> code a what?
[05:02] <natik> still cant setup the sound, any one can help?
[05:02] <_2> mefisto__ poc proof of concept.   echo boo > A ;ln -s A B ;ln B C ;cat C ;rm A ;cat C
[05:03] <_2> in that example mefisto__ if C were a hard link to A then cat C the second time would not fail.
[05:04] <mefisto__> _2: sure I get that. if you rm the data (A). but the hardlink to a symlink is really a hardlink to a symlink's target. correct?
[05:04] <_2> also ls -l will reviel that both B and C are symlinks   B -> A     C -> A
[05:05] <_2> incorrect
[05:05] <mefisto__> hmm
[05:05] <_2> the hardlink in that case is really a hard link to the symlinks meta data  which is  B -> A
[05:07] <_2> mefisto__ note the differance in these two poc's   echo boo > A ;ln -s A B ;ln A C ;cat C ;rm A ;cat C
[05:07] <_2> and the origenal   ^
[05:08] <_2> oh you'll need to   rm A B C     between the two
[05:10] <_2> natik did you try the troubleshooting page ?
[05:10] <tyler-wylie> Hallo! I'm currently running Kubuntu in VMWare Workstation and I'm having issues getting the scroll button on my mouse working, xev currently sees the action but I can't see a setting that would prevent it from letting me scroll, perhaps something in vmware-tools?
[05:10] <_2> !sound | natik
[05:11] <_2> natik there is also the #alsa channel.  but they may all be dead in there...
[05:11] <_2> and the forums...
[05:11] <tyler-wylie> anyone? any ideas?
[05:11] <natik> ubotto: i have Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) soun card, when i conect to it speakers or headsets it work properly, but when i try to play music or etc wuthout the speakers it is no sound\
[05:12] <mefisto__> _2: I'm confused. this is what I mean: echo boo > file ; ln -s file symlink ; ln symlink hardlink ; rm symlink ; cat hardlink
[05:12] <_2> mefisto__ and ?    hardlink is a symbolic link to file     as i have pointed out several ways already
[05:13] <_2> mefisto__ you do understand the basic concept of a hard link ?
[05:13] <_2> and of a symbolic link ?
[05:14] <_2> scroll up i tried to explain them in laymans terms  way up ^
[05:14] <mefisto__> _2: so that means hardlink points to file, not symlink (ie it points to symlink's target, not symlink itself)
[05:14] <_2> no
[05:14] <_2> wrong
[05:15] <mefisto__> _2: so hardlink still points to the deleted symlink? it doesn't seem to
[05:15] <_2> mefisto__ open a konsole.  and to this   mkdir -p testing ;cd testing ;ls   <<<< make sure it's empty.    then...
[05:15] <_2> mefisto__ echo boo > file    ; ls
[05:16] <_2> mefisto__    ln -s file slink ;sl -l
[05:16] <fagundes> list
[05:16] <_2> mefisto__ ln slink hlink ;ls -l
[05:16] <_2> sorry  not sl  but ls -l  up there ^
[05:17] <_2> as you can there see both  slink and hlink are symbolic links pointing to file
[05:18] <_2> you can rename or remove either and it will not affect the other  but remove or rename "file" and both links break
[05:18] <_2> mefisto__ you with me now ?
[05:19] <mefisto__> _2: what if I put it this way: a hard link to a symlink will be another symlink to the first symlink's target
[05:19] <_2> yes.
[05:19] <_2> of sorts.
[05:20] <mefisto__> well we have a language problem.
[05:20] <_2> it's actually the same symlink with two names
[05:22] <mefisto__> my point is the hlink will not be broken if slink is removed. to me that means hlink has file as a target, rather than slink
[05:23] <_2> they have the same target, because they are the same file
[05:23] <_2> same inode
[05:24] <Atheos> does anybody know anything about getting broadcom wifi working in kubuntu
[05:24] <_2> you can hard link anything that can be hardlinked and then rm it's target and  the hardlink (which is only a second name for the origenal inode) will still be there.
[05:24] <mefisto__> natik: are you saying you want sound to work without speakers?
[05:25] <natik> yeap
[05:25] <mefisto__> ???
[05:25] <natik> i have a dx2300
[05:25] <natik> it is desktop PC
[05:26] <natik> external speakers
[05:26] <natik> understand?
[05:26] <mefisto__> and when you unplug the speakers, where do you want to sound to come from? do you have other speakers connected to the soundcard somehow?
[05:27] <buckethead> Evening. I've got an error on shutdown that I would like to track down and fix because it annoys me but it scrools too fast for me to read. Are those sort of things logged somewhere?
[05:27] <_2> natik   " ctrl+alt+f1 "   login  and do  " sudo alsamixer "   set things the way you want,   [esc] to exit  and   " sudo alsactl store ;exit "    " alt+f7 "   back to the gui
[05:27] <isa268[FAN]> hello can anyone help me with an apt-get problem i seem to be having?
[05:28] <_2> buckethead shift+pgup
[05:28] <_2> buckethead oh. you mean it blanks the screen before you can go read it ?
[05:29] <buckethead> Yes, and powers off.
[05:29] <_2> buckethead depends on how far into the shutdown process it is.  but prolly not logged.
[05:29] <_2> you can check in /var/log/*
[05:30] <buckethead> Ok. Back in a mo.
[05:30] <_2> buckethead one thing you could do.   it's a dirty hack, but;
[05:30] <mefisto__> buckethead: ksystemlog if you want a gui to look at the logs
[05:30] <_2> you could put a read command in /etc/init.d/halt
[05:31] <buckethead> I don't know that i'm that smart _2.. Heh.
[05:31] <_2> or poweroff or what ever script kills your system
[05:31] <_2> buckethead heh.... ok.
[05:32] <isa268[FAN]> hello when running apt-get upgrade i get this error message "E: The package kdelibs5-data needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it."
[05:33] <buckethead> I don't see anything that appears to be shutdown or networkmanager in my var/log.
[05:33] <natik> sorry
[05:33] <natik> can u repeat the comand?
[05:33] <_2> ls /etc/rc0.d/  should reviel the script to edit.   and putting   "read P " just after the "#!/bin/bash" line would make it pause there and let you read what scrolled by.  the shift plus page up keys will still scroll the text and enter will finish killing it.
[05:33] <_2> buckethead if you want to try that hack   ^
[05:33] <buckethead> Hey, I'll give it a shot.
[05:34] <_2> natik me ?
[05:34] <K350> I've some icons on the desktop. However they're only visible when I move the mouse over them. How can I correct this?
[05:34] <natik> _2 yeap
[05:34] <_2> natik   " ctrl+alt+f1 "   login  and do  " sudo alsamixer "   set things the way you want,   [esc] to exit  and   " sudo alsactl store ;exit "    " alt+f7 "   back to the gui   <<< that ?
[05:35] <_2> natik i'm not promising it will fix it though.  but can't hurt
[05:36] <natik> _2: i dii that but still no sound
[05:36] <natik> in mixer it is all unmute
[05:36] <_2> K350 that would be desktop/version specific maybe.  can you specify
[05:36] <_2> natik yes but selecting what output methood ?
[05:38] <_2> sound card in this box gives 23 adjustments in alsamixer    but in my lappy beside me it gives three
[05:38] <natik> _2: Master
[05:38] <_2> natik try pcm
[05:38] <_2> or master 2 if it has that.
[05:39] <natik> _2 no master 2 , tried PCM to
[05:39] <natik> still no sound
[05:39] <_2> natik i'm out of aces then.
[05:40] <_2> natik you did ask in #alsa ?
[05:40] <natik> _2 ok im chating there right now
[05:40] <natik> thanks for trying help
[05:40] <_2> welcome
[05:40] <_2> luck and grace with it.
[05:41] <mefisto__> buckethead:  is it NetworkManager errors you see on shutdown?
[05:42] <mefisto__> I don't see how sound could work without speakers
[05:43] <_2> internal speaker
[05:43] <_2> think lappy
[05:43] <natik> mefisto_ : i have  built in speakers
[05:43] <natik> like in laptop[
[05:44] <mefisto__> natik: do you see any activity in kmix meters when ext speakers are unplugged?
[05:45] <natik> no
[05:46] <natik> mefisto_: no
[05:46] <mefisto__> oops, kmix doesn't have meters, does it
[05:47] <natik> mefisto_:u right it is donmt have a meters
[05:48] <anom01y> hey if I have a laptop that only has 512mb ram is it ok to install kubuntu to it ??
[05:48] <natik> yes\
[05:48] <natik> i have 512 mb ram
[05:49] <natik> and it work good
[05:49] <anom01y> I noticed it to be very slow
[05:49] <anom01y> kdesktop crashed lots
[05:49] <anom01y> but, that alsa happened when I installed sidux to the thing
[05:49] <natik> hm..but i have no problem and it is work good
[05:50] <anom01y> natik: if it has an ati onboard card, do I have to seperately install the fgrlx drivers ?
[05:50] <mefisto__> anom01y: you might want to try installing xubuntu-desktop, xfce is less resource hungry than kde
[05:51] <natik> anom01y: sorry but im newbiea and cant anwser to all ur question
[05:51] <anom01y> it seems like it uses too much cpu, and its a 3.2ghz p4
[05:52] <anom01y> I might just get more ram maybe that will fix it
[05:52] <natik> anom01y: how much u have in ur swap area?
[05:52] <anom01y> not sure I just let kubuntu configure that by iteself when it installed
[05:53] <natik> try to config it manual and set 1600-2000 to the swap area
[05:53] <anom01y> It takes about 5 minutes to boot
[05:53] <mefisto__> anom01y: kmenu > system > hardware drivers will install drivers for you ati card if there are any available in repos
[05:53] <anom01y> ok
[05:53] <anom01y> that's probably whats wrong
[05:54] <louie> hi
[05:54] <anom01y> I will try that
[05:54] <louie> can anyone help me?
[05:55] <anom01y> maybe the reason why kdesktop crashes once in a while when booting is because fglrx isnt set up
[05:55] <_2> louie
[05:55] <_2> LOUIE !
[05:55] <_2> nope guess not.
[05:55] <anom01y> hes gone
[05:56] <anom01y> would not having fglrx set up cause cpu usage to go up, as the graphics must run off the kernel ?
[05:56]  * mr---t- thinks _2 was singing...
[05:57] <mefisto__> anom01y: fglrx should be much smoother, yes
[06:00]  * _2 smothers mefisto__ with a sergical mask
[06:04] <Associat0r> guys
[06:04] <_2> and gals
[06:04] <Associat0r> anyone know what the root passw is for the 4.1 b2 release?
[06:04] <_2> oh almost forgot.   this is IRC where men are men
[06:05] <_2> root password =
[06:05] <mr---t-> and sheep are nervous
[06:05] <_2> mr---t- wouldn't doubt it...
[06:05] <Associat0r> it asks for a root pass for add-remove programs
[06:06] <_2> no.  it asks for your password
[06:06] <_2> if not it's not ubuntu'ized
[06:06] <_2> and your on your own
[06:07] <Associat0r> it doesn't accept my own passw
[06:07] <_2> !root | Associat0r
[06:08] <_2> i'm not going to tell you that you can use sudo passwd root and set a root password, cause that would be against ubuntu policy
[06:08] <_2> so i guess you are SOL here.
[06:09]  * _2 slips a firecracker under mefisto__ 's shoe and lights it.
[06:14] <yao_ziyuan> kde 3.5.x doesn't have a user-friendly startup programs folder, right?
[06:15] <Githzerai> yao_ziyuan: like?
[06:15] <parkin> hi
[06:15] <yao_ziyuan> Githzerai: like gnome's Session Manager
[06:16] <yao_ziyuan> oh, i recall now, kde has its own way of running certain programs at system startup: by remembering last open programs
[06:16] <_2> !autostart
[06:16] <Githzerai> yao_ziyuan: exactly. not last, but working while logout
[06:17] <yao_ziyuan> that's why i say it's not user-friendly
[06:18] <yao_ziyuan> how could a newbie know there is such a directory
[06:18] <mefisto__> yao_ziyuan: if you want a gui, you can install kcontrol-autostart and set things up in kcontrol
[06:18] <yao_ziyuan> and how could a newbie know there is a command 'kcontrol-autostart'...
[06:19] <yao_ziyuan> i'm beginning to suspect that some open source guys intentionally make some obscure command-line tricks to hook up girls...
 how could a newbie know there is such a directory <<< he could ask in here :)
[06:20] <_2> yao_ziyuan possably  :)))
[06:20] <yao_ziyuan> _2: that's why i say 'hook up girls'
[06:21]  * yao_ziyuan whines: a, s, l?
[06:21] <Githzerai> yao_ziyuan: most people usually don't need it at first, as kde remembers started programs. By the time you need stuff like that, u probably know your way aroun a little bit ;)
[06:23] <_2> ah yes...  "IRC where men are men,   and women are men,  and little children are fbi agents!"
[06:29] <mr---t-> and sheep are still nervous
[06:33] <mefisto__> anom01y: did you get fglrx installed?
[06:33] <anom01y> mefisto__: no I dont have the laptop currently
[06:33] <anom01y> but I will check the menus for installing the driver
[06:38] <Agent_bob> need new updated libdvdread for dapper backports or actually that other "restricted" site.
[06:42] <Associat0r> ubottu
[06:42] <Associat0r> how do you sudo an x app?
[06:43] <ubunturos> Associat0r: use kdesu
[06:43] <ubunturos> !kdesu | Associat0r
[06:45] <Agent_bob> !kdesu
[06:46] <Agent_bob> three digit lag...
[06:47] <ubunturos> Agent_bob: hmm, largest three digit value lag?
[06:48] <Agent_bob> ubunturos  174 seconds
[06:48] <dsmith_> hmmmmm not wise to purge gcc and build essential..
[06:48] <dsmith_> heh
[06:49] <ubunturos> Agent_bob: oh, now I have a lag of one second
[06:49] <dsmith_> thank heaven for /home being on its own partition
[06:49] <Agent_bob> heh he prolly left before i saw his question
[06:50] <Associat0r> well it is not installed
[06:50] <Agent_bob> oh he's back,,,  you're back.   o.O
[06:51] <Agent_bob> dsmith_ purging gcc and b-e did what exactly ?
[06:52] <dsmith_> removed 1056 worth of packages...
[06:52] <dsmith_> lol
[06:52] <Associat0r> finally
[06:52] <dsmith_> seems both are tied to the whle OS
[06:52] <dsmith_> Whole OS
[06:53] <dsmith_> I am going to try and just remove them and see if it does it again
[06:53]  * Agent_bob can't imagine gcc and b-e  being system deps.
[06:53] <dsmith_> Agent_bob: thats what I thought, as I installed them myself
[06:54] <khan_> hi everybody
[06:54] <dsmith_> hi
[06:54] <rainabba_> Don't laugh too hard, but I'm setting up a bootable USB drive and need /boot/ubninit, but can't find it on the web. I'm looking through mirrors, but can't find an exploded filesystem that includes /boot. Can someone point me the right direction?
[06:54] <adred> hi need ugent help pls..i have accidentally set the right button to minimize all windows i click. help restore it to defaults pls..
[06:54] <Agent_bob> so reinstall them.   apt-get install *
[06:54] <Agent_bob> dsmith_ nah. how then could they not be installed by default... ?
[06:55] <adred> help me pls
[06:55] <dsmith_> Agent_bob: it removed everything, even my ethernet capabilties, Its ok, though I just reinstalled again
[06:55] <Agent_bob> !b-e
[06:55] <Agent_bob> !info build-essential
[06:55] <Agent_bob> !info gcc
[06:56] <dsmith_> optional hmmmmmmm
[06:56] <dsmith_> perhaps it was smoething I did
[06:56] <dsmith_> *shrug*
[06:57] <adred> i can't open apps, main menu and everything because when i click something it minimizes because i accidently set the rith button click to "minize window" in ccsm. help me pls...
[06:57] <Agent_bob>  build-essential packages. In component main, is optional.  The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional.
[06:58] <dsmith_> adred: revert to kwin
[06:58] <Agent_bob> those are both marked optional.  you didn't use a wildcard did you dsmith_ ?
[06:58] <dsmith_> no
[06:58] <Agent_bob> well that doesn't make sense then.
[06:59] <dsmith_> live and learn
[06:59] <dsmith_> one thing I know, I can install quciker then any windows install and way under thier size requirements
[07:00] <Agent_bob> live and learn   yeah  but learn what ?   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3ec488d4
[07:00] <dsmith_> becareful using adept
[07:01] <Associat0r> now it can't find drkonqi
[07:01] <Agent_bob> dsmith_ care to test a command.      sudo apt-get remove gcc build-essential      you can tell it no when it asks.
[07:01] <Agent_bob> cause i'm not seeing any rymn nor reason for that to have hosed your system
[07:02] <dsmith_> thats why I was confused Agent_bob, I was suing adept and not the CL, but I told it to purgw instead of remove
[07:02] <Agent_bob> you almost had to have used a wild card or click something besides those two packages
[07:02] <khan_> how can one log out from kopete?
[07:03] <dsmith_> perhaps I did and did not realize it
[07:03] <Agent_bob> you can add -P to that string
[07:03] <Agent_bob> khan_ /quit
[07:03] <khan_> i have tried the the quit option from file but that doesnot work
[07:03] <buckethead> Sigh. From time to time my system won't boot. I have to randomly ACPI override until it decides to boot. How would I find the cause?
[07:04] <buckethead> i
[07:04] <khan_> when i open the kopete next time it again has the same account logged in
[07:04] <Agent_bob> khan_ that doesn't mean it stayed connected the whole time
[07:04] <Agent_bob> that only means it remembers where you were connected
[07:04] <Agent_bob> i think
[07:05] <Agent_bob> khan_ try using /exit command on each connection first then close it.
[07:05] <khan_> Agent_bob : so how can i log in with another account?
[07:05] <Agent_bob> or is it /part #connection
[07:05] <rhkfin> Anyone knw what version of KDE4 is at 8.04.1 kde4 remix? 4.0.x or 4.1betax?
[07:05] <Agent_bob> !kde4 | rhkfin
[07:06] <rhkfin> Agent_bob: ok :)
[07:06] <adred> help could someone help me pls
[07:06] <dsmith_> adred: revert to kwin
[07:06] <Agent_bob> adred it's the third door on the left   ---->
[07:06] <dsmith_> your using compiz?
[07:07] <adred> dsmith, how will i do it i can't access main menu. is there a short cut key for it?
[07:07] <Agent_bob> alt+f2 ?
[07:07] <dsmith_> alt-F2
[07:08] <dsmith_> kwin -replace
[07:08] <Agent_bob> !compiz
[07:09] <Agent_bob> adred might check down yander in that room     third door on the left  ^
[07:09] <adred> dsmith, Agent_bob, thank you so much...:) i was about to burst in anger coz i don't want to do fresh install again.
[07:10] <adred> THANK YOU! :)
[07:10] <Agent_bob> called    #compiz-fusion    :)
[07:10] <dsmith_> adred: create a home partition
[07:11] <dsmith_> and do backups
[07:11] <dsmith_> :P
[07:11] <Agent_bob> they have a welcome mat out front with their name on it.  just waiting for you  :)))
[07:11] <dsmith_> heh
[07:11] <Agent_bob> follow the signs you can't miss it.
[07:11] <buckethead> lol
[07:12] <buckethead> I'm about to smack this laptop so hard it lands on someone elses desk.
[07:12] <dsmith_> send it my way
[07:12] <Agent_bob> buckethead what now ?
[07:12] <buckethead> Sigh. From time to time my system won't boot. I have to randomly ACPI override until it decides to boot. How would I find the cause?
[07:12] <buckethead> It is cursed!
[07:12] <Agent_bob> O.o
[07:13] <Agent_bob>    <.<
[07:13] <Agent_bob> >.>
[07:13] <buckethead> Locks itself up on 'early unpacking initramfs' ..
[07:13] <Agent_bob> buckethead what kernel are you using ?
[07:13] <Agent_bob> uname -r
[07:14] <buckethead> 2.6.24-19-generic
[07:14] <buckethead> Note: The broken box and the one i'm chatting on are different.
[07:15] <Agent_bob> and what does    grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo  say ?
[07:15] <buckethead> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
[07:15] <buckethead> Twice.
[07:15] <Agent_bob> ok.
[07:16] <Agent_bob> have you tested it with an i686-smp kernel ?
[07:16] <Agent_bob> i know the generic is "supposed" to support that...  but you are having issues.
[07:16] <buckethead> I don't know that I know what that means.
[07:17] <Agent_bob> ah.   search in the package manager for  "linux-image"   and look for 686 and smp  in the list
[07:17] <buckethead> Kernel level things are pretty much past my knowledge level. I figured out 'modprobe ndiswrapper' after about 10 hours.
[07:18] <Agent_bob> !find linux-image-686
[07:18] <Agent_bob> try that one  ^
[07:18] <Agent_bob> !info linux-image-686
[07:19] <Agent_bob> wait
[07:19] <Agent_bob> that's only a meta   what does it depend on ?  the generic ?
[07:19] <buckethead> yes.
[07:19] <Agent_bob> well that's not good.
[07:20] <Agent_bob> !info linux-image
[07:20] <Agent_bob> !find linux-image
[07:20] <Agent_bob> sorry
[07:20] <Agent_bob> ok there has to be a 686 in that list of 41 others
[07:21] <Agent_bob> buckethead use your package manager and look for that.
[07:21] <Agent_bob> !find linux-image-2.6.24-16-686
[07:22] <Agent_bob> !find linux-image-2.6.24-.*-686
[07:22] <buckethead> There are four linux-*-686 and they are all listed as dummy packages that can be removed?
[07:22] <Agent_bob> bah  bot doesn't accept wild cards
[07:22] <Agent_bob> well poo.
[07:23] <Agent_bob> buckethead unless you want to compile a kernel,  (steep learning curve)  then you may have to live with it for a while....
[07:24]  * Agent_bob doesn't like that option...  but it's all i have to offer.
[07:25] <buckethead> Heh. It is really annoying when it happens. Any way I can try to drill down to the cause of the problem? Searching 'Early unpacking initramfs + FAIL' doesn't really help  lol.
[07:25] <Agent_bob> buckethead has linux always done this "wierd hit and miss" booting ?   how long has this happened ?
[07:25] <buckethead> Since i've had it.. ~60 days?
[07:26] <Agent_bob> buckethead you can add the kernel arguments    nosplash verbose
[07:26] <Agent_bob> and just watch when it hangs.
[07:26] <Agent_bob> might be revieling
[07:27] <Agent_bob> ea
[07:27] <buckethead> I shall skribble that down. I'm trying to learn these things.
[07:28] <Agent_bob> buckethead you can comment out the   quiet splash    on the kernel line and do almost the same thing.
[07:29] <buckethead> You're talking about it grub config right?
[07:29] <Agent_bob> buckethead those are in /boot/grub/menu.lst   you can edit as root before reboot,   or you can use grubs edit feature when you boot and edit the kernel line there.
[07:30] <Agent_bob> the first is sticky  the second is a one shot john
[07:30] <Agent_bob> i mean a once barrel scatter gun
[07:31] <Agent_bob> not a twice barrel one...
[07:32] <buckethead> Hehe. How much more info does verbose get you then recovery mode?
[07:32] <Agent_bob> quite a bit
[07:32] <Agent_bob> depending on what exactly is happening.
[07:33] <Agent_bob> did you get the box used ?
[07:33] <buckethead> Strange you should say scatter gun while i'm listening to adios amigos.
[07:33] <buckethead> Actually, yes.. but with win mce only.
[07:34]  * Agent_bob wonders if that's why the other owner got shed of it
[07:34] <Agent_bob> could actually be a hardware "hickup"
[07:35] <Agent_bob> "goodbye my friends" ???
[07:35] <buckethead> Never had a win-based booting problem before.
[07:35] <Agent_bob> the box didn't ?
[07:35] <Agent_bob> or you didn't ?
[07:35] <buckethead> Hehe. The box didn't.
[07:35] <Agent_bob> mmk
[07:36] <buckethead> The Ramones sang 'scatter gun' on the adios amigos album.
[07:36] <Agent_bob> i see.    learn something useless each day :)))
[07:37] <Agent_bob> on dispursion on your choice of racket
[07:37] <Agent_bob> of course
[07:37] <buckethead> On the useless scale, That isn't bad. You could be watching 'america's top dog' on directv.
[07:37] <Agent_bob> heh.   i could have a tv
[07:38]  * Agent_bob codes a new fork bomb to test...
[07:39] <buckethead> Keep your wabbits away from me please.
[07:40] <Agent_bob> just checking for security holes...
[07:41] <PolitikerALT> Hello everyone, I got a question: I got a PC which is not a laptop, but seems to have a cpu supporting frequency scaling (at least accrord. to OpenSuse) - If i try to start guidance-power-manager, it fails with "This is not a laptop. Quitting..." - how can I avoid this and start a tool where I can set the cpu frequency?
[07:42] <buckethead> I need to start doing that, too bad i'm not smart enough. I shall continue to lean on my router for now.
[07:42] <PolitikerALT> powernowd:   cpu0: 1000Mhz - 2800Mhz (7 steps)
[07:42] <Agent_bob> ya know it's odd.  10 years ago when i ran M$ junk, it was my responsability to protect myself from malware,  then i found linux which doesn't really have a problem with malware, and it vecame my responsability to progect M$ users from malware that they might recieve from my non-affected os....    why does that not seem right to me ?
[07:43] <Cualquiera> WHen i do "sudo fdisk" Konsole tell me ERROR 22... Someone know what is happending?
[07:44] <Agent_bob> man fdisk     and hit /22
[07:44] <buckethead> PolitikerALT: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/82277
[07:44] <PolitikerALT> ah, ok, thanks
[07:44] <Agent_bob> Cualquiera or actually i don't think it's in the man page.   google maybe
[07:44] <buckethead> Agent_bob: I was thinking how fun it would be to set it up so I scanned everyone when they popped onto my wifi and told them how lame their protections were.
[07:45] <buckethead> To do that, I must first understand my own systems. heh.
[07:45] <Agent_bob> buckethead ummm hmmm.  until you learn how to get in and not be noticed then you turn hack/crack er
[07:45] <PolitikerALT> but actually I don't have a UPS, just a CPU supporting frequency scaling
[07:46] <PolitikerALT> sorry, haven't read through the whole bug report
[07:46] <buckethead> It talks about disabling the laptop check in there. Seems straight forward even if old.
[07:47] <buckethead> Agent_bob: I wasn't even going much past the open shares/ports level. Your taking things over my head.
[07:47] <PolitikerALT> yeah, I know - but I have written the former line just after I had read the bug report, not the comments
[07:47] <Agent_bob> Cualquiera you are not just inputting     sudo fdisk     are you ?    you should give it a device node.     and i would sujest cfdisk
[07:48] <Cualquiera> Agent_bob:  google tutorials about Fdisk only tells GOOD STORIES.... IT never tells the error and problems
[07:48] <Agent_bob> buckethead i'm just a newbee on linux.   it don't take long.
[07:48] <Cualquiera> Agent_bob:  Cfdisk is into Kubuntu 8.04 Cd-live?
[07:48] <Agent_bob> Cualquiera lowercase c  yes   cfdisk
[07:49] <Agent_bob> Cualquiera so is gparted
[07:49] <Agent_bob> or at least parted
[07:49] <Agent_bob> Cualquiera not only so.  but you can install packages on the liveCD as well
[07:50] <Agent_bob> just remember that you are installing them in ram.
[07:50] <Agent_bob> it eats ram for both the download and the installed/unpacked package
[07:51] <buckethead> PolitikerALT: A question.. How much power do you think you can save once you get it to step down to mins when not being utilized?
[07:51] <Agent_bob> enough to turn the ac off ?
[07:52] <PolitikerALT> hmm don't know - a few watts I think
[07:52] <Cualquiera> Thank u Agent_bob
[07:52] <buckethead> LOL. I didn't even think about the cooling implications.
[07:52] <Agent_bob> ac = airo cfusioner
[07:53] <buckethead> Could be good for my lazy 1.3 tbird that usually only fetches me bittorrent and occasionally shares a file.
[07:54] <Agent_bob> buckethead if my cpu fan isn't having to run then most likely my ac wont either... but let that 9" turbo kick in and it's like hades opened a new portal
[07:56] <buckethead> feh. obviously I shouldn't brag about my sys here ^_^
[07:57] <Agent_bob> prolly not.    but i also have the slowest internet connection in the world.
[07:58] <Agent_bob> 14kb/s throughput      an no one will argue with that being the slowest....
[07:59] <buckethead> lol
[08:00] <Agent_bob> heh i can compile a kernel in less time than it takes to dl the howto
[08:00] <Agent_bob> well almost.
[08:01] <Agent_bob> but they don't let me play with that one very often...   most of the time i toy around with a p3
[08:01] <Agent_bob> and lots or OLD recycled boxen
[08:02] <needhelp2>  i had been running proftpd under ubuntu for some time.. 2 ftp sites..  one of which, in the log file it doesn't show the ip properly eg: eval2 proftpd[13988] eval2 (192.168.2.2[192.168.2.2]): FTP session closed..another will show eval1 proftpd[1961] eval1 (116.14.185.49[116.14.185.49]): FTP session closed...why is it that eval2 can only resolve up to 192.168.2.2 (which is its gateway)?
[08:03] <Agent_bob> needhelp2 dns mismatch ?
[08:03] <Agent_bob> only a guess
[08:04] <Agent_bob> !eval
[08:04] <Agent_bob> didn't figure
[08:05] <needhelp2> how to know if dns is mismatch
[08:05] <Agent_bob> needhelp2 might ask in #ubuntu  and/or  ##linux  on that one.
[08:05] <Agent_bob> cat /etc/resolv.conf on both boxen
[08:05] <Agent_bob> the gateway and the ftpserver
[08:07] <Agent_bob> what and ip  lol
[08:07] <Agent_bob> @Xc095.x.pppool.de
[08:07] <Agent_bob> pp pool   hehheh
[08:11] <needhelp2> # DenyHosts: Wed Jul  9 14:14:03 2008 | sshd: 192.168.2.122 <-- how to remove it from deny host?
[08:11] <needhelp2> it keeps adding it back
[08:12] <Agent_bob> ummm hmmm   idk.   well i know how i would do it. but you don't want that.
[08:13] <Agent_bob> needhelp2 might ask in ##linux or #ubuntu  this channel is pretty lifeless atm
[08:14] <Agent_bob> even our number one network guru Jucato is not around
[08:14]  * Agent_bob hides
[08:14]  * buckethead sneaks
[08:27] <rhkfin> Does dcop setEncoding work for anyone in Konsole: dcop konsole-29509 session-1 setEncoding UTF-8 but it sticks to iso-8859-8-I for some reason
[08:27] <rhkfin> My goal is to be able to change the encoding of yakuake window from utf-8 (default) to iso-8859-2 or so
[08:28] <Agent_bob> does konsole settings > encoding    not work ?
[08:29] <rhkfin> Agent_bob: it does but I'd need to make it in a script with dcop
[08:29] <Agent_bob> i haven't tried to change it externally   i guess i could start a gui...
[08:30] <rhkfin> There's been a bug that is said to be fixed in 3.5.3 (see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120998 )
[08:30] <rhkfin> but I can't make it work..
[08:30] <Agent_bob> wo well no need me testing.
[08:30] <Agent_bob> i'm running dapper
[08:30] <rhkfin> ah :)
[08:31] <rhkfin> anyone else?
[08:33] <Agent_bob> all i get out of it was call failed
[08:33] <rhkfin> Agent_bob: oh..
[08:33] <Agent_bob> but like i said my version is too old
[08:33] <rhkfin> ok.. thanks anyway..
[08:33] <Agent_bob> KDE: 3.5.2
[08:33] <rhkfin> one too old :)
[08:35] <Agent_bob> Qt: 3.3.6 KDE: 3.5.2 KWin: 3.0
[08:35] <rhkfin> ok
[08:36] <whyhankee> rhkfin: i'm trying for you, but it seems that UTF-8 is already my default, i'm trying to set it to ISO 8859-15 but setEncoding wont accept 'ISO 8859-15' as argument :(
[08:36] <whyhankee> (with or without quotes) any idea how to set it to ISO 8859-15?
[08:36] <Agent_bob> unn iso- isn't it ?
[08:36] <rhkfin> whyhankee: iso-8859-something is accepted but nothing changes
[08:37] <Agent_bob> yeah like that ^
[08:37] <whyhankee> rhkfin: ah, that works, and it gets changed here (on gutsy)
[08:37] <Agent_bob> whyhankee   kwin --version
[08:37] <rhkfin> hmm.. I'm running hardy..
[08:38] <rhkfin> qt 3.3.8b kde 3.5.9, kwin 3.0
[08:38] <whyhankee> rhkfin: Qt: 3.3.8b, KDE: 3.5.9, KWin: 3.0
[08:38]  * Agent_bob blinks
[08:38] <Agent_bob> lsb_release -r
[08:39] <rhkfin> 8.04
[08:39] <whyhankee> rhkfin: ha, it wont change back to UTF-8 :(
[08:39] <rhkfin> whyhankee: weird if it works only half.. I tried iso and ISO 8859-15 with no success..
[08:39] <Agent_bob> ah ha.  you'll have to use the iso standard for utf
[08:39] <rhkfin> ?
[08:40] <whyhankee> (it changes from UTF-8 to ISO 8859-15, but not back)
[08:42] <Agent_bob> whyhankee show me your full command string ?
[08:45] <whyhankee> Agent_bob: my command history @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/26158/
[08:46] <rhkfin> mine: http://pastebin.com/mf41385c
[08:47] <Agent_bob> whyhankee heh i didn't mean the whole history  lol   just the one command that changed your encoding.
[08:50] <whyhankee> Agent_bob: wasn't sure which one you want, so .. :)
[08:50] <MetaMorfoziS> !sensors
[08:53] <Agent_bob> well i revisited just to make sure. and my version will not accept that command
[08:53] <Agent_bob> i mean it works but does nothing
[08:53] <Agent_bob> command rejected
[08:53] <rhkfin> hmm..
[08:53] <rhkfin> So there has been a bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120998 that's said to be fixed in 3.5.3 but it doesn't seem to be so.
[08:54] <Agent_bob> not unless my use of cp-850 is somehow affecting it.
[08:55] <rhkfin> kdcop doesn't work either (or I don't now how to use it..)
[09:10] <bob3213243_> hello
[09:29] <needhelp2> eval3 (192.168.2.2[192.168.2.2]) - performing ident lookup, eval3 (192.168.2.2[192.168.2.2]) - ident connection failed: Connection refused, eval3 (192.168.2.2[192.168.2.2]) - ident lookup returned 'UNKNOWN'... anyone knows why my proftpd is acting this way?
[09:38] <hoggie> !session
[10:07] <masoumpa> hi
[10:16] <K350> I've installed a console-line system and then just added kde-core xorg and kdm to it. No wI dont have any system settings really. At least noting for the monitor so I can't change screen resolution. Any suggestions on how to solve this problem?
[10:21] <Agent_bob> K350 exit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:21] <Agent_bob> edit
[10:22] <Agent_bob> should be howto's on the web
[10:23] <K350> Agent_bob: yeah but what should i do in x.org.conf ?
[10:24] <K350> doesnt say anything about resolution in there from what I can see
[10:24] <rhkfin> K350: in hardy it doesn't anymore..
[10:25] <rhkfin> But you can add it there if the autoconf fails
[10:25] <Agent_bob> K350 the first res mentioned on the default depth is the one it tries to use...
[10:26] <Agent_bob> example this line would try to use 1024x768    Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[10:26] <Agent_bob> so put what you want first and what you would settel for after that
[10:27] <Agent_bob>         SubSection "Display"
[10:27] <Agent_bob>                 Depth           24
[10:27] <Agent_bob>                 Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[10:27] <Agent_bob>         EndSubSection
[10:27] <K350> Aaaah!:-)
[10:28] <K350> Super nice indeed!!!
[10:28] <K350> SubSection "Display"
[10:28] <K350>   Depth           24
[10:29] <K350>  Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[10:29] <K350> copying....
[10:29] <K350>  EndSubSection
[10:31] <K350> adn thats under monitor..not screen..or?
[10:31] <Agent_bob> Section "Screen"
[10:31] <Agent_bob>         Identifier      "Default Screen"
[10:31] <Agent_bob>         Device          "NVIDIA / SGS Thomson (Joint Venture) Riva128"
[10:31] <Agent_bob>         Monitor         "DELL M781s"
[10:31] <Agent_bob>         DefaultDepth    24
[10:32] <Agent_bob> !pastebin | /me
[10:32]  * jussi01 slaps Agent_bob's hand
[10:32] <Agent_bob> your device and monitor will vary
[10:32] <Agent_bob> jussi01 but it's just so busy in here....
[10:32] <jussi01> :P
[10:33] <JoshOvki> jussi01: can you pm me your ppa
[10:33] <Agent_bob> honestly i don't think i posted/pasted four lines here ever   until now.
[10:34] <jussi01> JoshOvki: no, go look on LP its not hard to find :P
[10:34] <JoshOvki> jussi01: oh come on :P
[10:36]  * JoshOvki slaps mr Schultink
[10:40] <K350> Agent_bob: It didn't work. X didn't start. Good I'd a backup
[10:55] <Agent_bob> K350 you didn't use my identifier and monitor did you ???  cause that would indeed break it.
[10:56] <Agent_bob> welcome jussi01
[10:59] <Agent_bob> oh and jussi01 if you ever need to override the function just prepend the path to the real one  /bin/mkdir   but ofcourse you know that.
[10:59] <jussi01> hehe, yeps :D
[11:07] <Lynoure> How can I get FF3 to remember to open torrent files with ktorrent? I can choose that and Do this automatically, and then get to choose again the next time
[11:09] <khan> hi everybody
[11:12] <makdaknife> hi
[11:17] <Agent_bob> Lynoure sounds like a bug
[11:20] <baudthief> anything like google desktop search for kubuntu? I just want to create a searchable index of files for all mounted drives
[11:21] <makdaknife> baudthief: strigi is the default search engine in kubuntu...
[11:22] <makdaknife> baudthief: also check out kerry, which ues beagle
[11:22] <baudthief> strigi sucks :P
[11:22] <makdaknife> s/ues/uses/g
[11:22] <baudthief> thanks, looking into kerry
[11:26] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: yes, but I somehow think people would have been noisy about it if it was a bug
[11:26] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: I would not know where to look for it, as it might be kde-only
[11:29] <K350> Agent_bob: now it works..thanks a lot for your help!:-)
[11:30] <Agent_bob> Lynoure i'm ff illiterate and kde blind   so i'm not going to start guessing.
[11:31] <Agent_bob> baudthief could have just used slocate ;/
[11:31] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: that's ok. Thanks anyway.
[11:32] <Agent_bob> Lynoure i have seen that question several times.  so it should be on the forums by now
[11:33] <Agent_bob> i haven't paid any atention to the answer though ;/
[11:33] <Agent_bob> or even if there was one.
[11:37] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: Thanks, seems it might be just missing firefox-gnome-support
[11:42] <Lynoure> Yes, that was it.
[11:44] <root> i just installed hardy kde4 remix. and its giving errors like with konqueror video files. i cant change the screen resolution etc. how do i del this and install the other kde that is cominng with hardy now days? i think is kde 3?
[11:46] <Lynoure> you just install kubuntu-desktop for the non-4 kde
[11:48] <Guest73868> Lynoure:  thx. how to uninstall kde4 ?
[11:48] <Lynoure> I'd recommend you first  verity it fine by choosing it as a session type.
[11:50] <hateball> If I would like to change the rightclick menu on the desktop / file browser... how would I go about doing that? I want to remove the New... stuff, among other things.
[11:50] <gastro> Lynoure:  ok but how to remove kde4 if it works?
[11:51] <Lynoure> gastro: I cannot remember, so it takes me a bit to google what's the base package to remove
[11:51] <gastro> k
[11:51] <gastro> any one else. how to remove kde4 ?????????/
[11:52] <Lynoure> ok, I'll stop googling then :)
[11:52] <gastro> lol
[11:53] <hateball> Isnt the meta-package just called kde4 ?
[11:53] <rhkfin> kubuntu-kde4-desktop?
[11:53]  * gastro anounces to all (except) Lynoure , not to tell me how to remove kde4
[11:53] <Lynoure> hateball: removing meta-packages does not work
[11:53] <hateball> oh
[11:53] <Lynoure> I'd bet my money on removing kdebase-bin-kde4
[11:53] <rhkfin> sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-kde4-desktop?
[11:54] <Lynoure> rhkfin: removing meta packages does not work :)
[11:54] <rhkfin> :/'
[11:54] <hateball> kde4base or kde4-core ?
[11:54] <Lynoure> rhkfin: it just removes the meta package, and leaves everything it pulled as a dependency
[11:54] <hateball> oh core is meta too
[11:56] <hateball> So anyhow, any ideas how to edit the rightclick menus? :|
[11:56] <ale_> hi
[11:56] <Agent_bob> what if he removes the meta package ?     :)))
[11:56] <Agent_bob> !puregnome | this will probably work.  idk.
[11:57] <Agent_bob> that could only get kde3  have to dry run it.
[11:58] <Agent_bob> hateball umm isn't it a desktop file that draws that ?
[11:58] <gastro> Agent_bob:  there must be a way to remove kde4. whats the base package
[11:58] <hateball> Probably Agent_bob, but I have no idea which one :|
[11:58] <Agent_bob> hateball look in /usr/share/kde
[11:58] <Lynoure> If he wants kde3 and not kde4, those command are not going to do him good
[11:58] <Agent_bob> gastro oh leave kde 3 and remove kde4 sorry i was working backwords again.
[11:59] <Agent_bob> Lynoure corrrect.  my bad.
[11:59] <Agent_bob> !kde4
[11:59] <Agent_bob> check in there   ^
[11:59] <Agent_bob> that's the official support for kde4
[11:59] <Lynoure> gastro: Did you try what I said I'd bet my money on
[12:00] <Lynoure> gastro: or, well, do not try yet if you have not verified having a working kde3 yet. But sudo apt-get remove kdebase-bin-kde4  should get you a long way if not 100% there
[12:00] <Agent_bob> removing kde4base-bin will remove most of it.  but you will probably want to run deborphan to clean up behind it.
[12:01] <Agent_bob> yeah   kdebase-bin-kde4  + deborphan
[12:01] <gastro> Lynoure:  iam downloading it.
[12:02] <Agent_bob> people really should use debfoster before they install things they are only testing....
[12:02] <Agent_bob> !info debfoster
[12:02] <beatriz> #kubuntu- es
[12:03] <beatriz> #kubuntu es
[12:03] <beatriz> kubuntu #es
[12:03] <Agent_bob> /join #kubuntu-es
[12:04] <gastro> Lynoure:  Agent_bob sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[12:04] <rhkfin> hmmm :/
[12:04] <Agent_bob> qastro heh.
[12:04] <Agent_bob> no
[12:05] <rhkfin> 13:54 < Lynoure> rhkfin: removing meta packages does not work :)
[12:05] <rhkfin> 13:54 < Lynoure> rhkfin: removing meta packages does not work :)
[12:05] <rhkfin> 13:54 < Lynoure> rhkfin: removing meta packages does not work :)
[12:05] <gastro> Agent_bob:  no?
[12:05] <rhkfin> 13:54 < Lynoure> rhkfin: removing meta packages does not work :)
[12:05] <rhkfin> 13:54 < Lynoure> rhkfin: removing meta packages does not work :)
[12:05] <Agent_bob> gastro no.
[12:05] <rhkfin> 13:54 < Lynoure> rhkfin: removing meta packages does not work :)
[12:05] <rhkfin> 13:54 < Lynoure> rhkfin: removing meta packages does not work :)
[12:05] <rhkfin> SORRY!
[12:05] <hateball> :|
[12:05] <rhkfin> Tried to paste it only once but didn't see the actual window..
[12:06] <Agent_bob> gastro test this if you think that will do it.   sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[12:06] <HPDV2000> hellllo:)
[12:06] <Agent_bob> rhkfin i thought it aproprate
[12:06] <rhkfin> :)
[12:07] <hateball> Hmm, I dont have a /usr/share/kde
[12:10] <HPDV2000> KDE is just gorgous
[12:11] <hateball> To each their own :)
[12:11] <HPDV2000> for ever and ever
[12:12] <HPDV2000> does anyone already achieved animated background with a low cpu take up? if so, can she/he help me?
[12:14] <Agent_bob> hmmm /usr/share/applications/kde/kwinoptions.desktop  is that it ?
[12:14] <HPDV2000> kwinoptions?
[12:14] <HPDV2000> i have little knowledge with this topic.. and need some advice...
[12:14] <HPDV2000> i heard few people put the screensaver as a background
[12:15] <Agent_bob> hateball or ..../applications/kde/desktopbehavior.desktop
[12:15] <Agent_bob> i dont' know   there are too many to guess.
[12:16] <HPDV2000> but mr.bob
[12:16] <HPDV2000> its not a guess for my case.
[12:16] <HPDV2000> I am not sure where to start from..
[12:16] <hateball> Nope, that's not it Agent_bob. I'll have a search through the lot of them tho
[12:16] <Agent_bob> hateball grep a known variable out of that dir and see what you hit.
[12:19]  * Agent_bob deletes /usr/share/applications/kde/ to see what avvect it has...
[12:19] <Agent_bob> ff
[12:20] <elo_> sup kneegrows
[12:20] <Agent_bob> is kneegrow here ?
[12:20] <Agent_bob> i used to talk to him some...
[12:21] <elo_> oh
[12:21] <elo_> i dunno
[12:21] <elo_> was a general sup to all the ppl in here
[12:21] <Agent_bob> elo_  and not a very nice one.   that's the point.
[12:24] <hateball> Why isnt crying helping me find what I'm looking for :(
[12:24] <hateball> It works for kids
[12:24]  * hateball pokes KDE with a salty fish
[12:24] <Agent_bob> hateball did you do what i said ?
[12:24] <hateball> ye
[12:25] <hateball> I only find references to the apps
[12:25] <hateball> aint found to like... the "New..." menu
[12:25] <Agent_bob> hateball right click the desktop and note something that you wouldn't expect to find in other menus    like "configure desktop" or something  and grep for that.
[12:27] <Agent_bob> grep -HiRe "configure desktop" /usr/share | grep -v binary
[12:27] <Agent_bob> that should find it and a few others.
[12:27] <hateball> ah
[12:27] <hateball> it's under /usr/share/templates
[12:28] <hateball> how.... obvious
[12:28] <Agent_bob> well there ya go.  that wasn't so hard
[12:28]  * hateball slaps himself
[12:28] <hateball> Cheers :p
[12:28] <Agent_bob> :)
[12:28] <hateball> hmmm
[12:28] <hateball> is there any user file that overrides that I wonder
[12:29] <hateball> like ~/.kde/and so on
[12:29] <hateball> Trial and error...
[12:29] <Agent_bob> idk
[12:29] <Agent_bob> Jucato ?
[12:30] <Jucato> huh what?
[12:30] <Agent_bob> can you point hateball at a way to change the right click menu on the desktop
[12:30] <Jucato> what's the problem? (summarize please? :)
[12:30] <Jucato> change how?
[12:31] <hateball> remove stuff
[12:31] <hateball> Think I'm on the right path atm tho!
[12:31]  * hateball tinkers
[12:31] <Jucato> ah hm... not sure it's entirely possible. some can be removed (like logout options) if you disable logging out for the user. but the rest, I'm not so sure
[12:32]  * hateball cries.
[12:32] <hateball> Well, removing them templates did sod all
[12:32] <hateball> Must be somewhere else as well then
[12:32] <Agent_bob> well ok.  go back to work and we'll call if we have any networking questions Jucato
[12:32] <Agent_bob> :)
[12:34] <Agent_bob> hateball some of that may be hard coded in ;/
[12:35] <hateball> No!
[12:35] <hateball> It cant be :(
[12:35] <hateball> :|
[12:35] <hateball> Well no
[12:35] <hateball> The menu is different on an upgraded 8.04, compared to a fresh install
[12:35] <hateball> So there has to be some where to customize it
[12:36] <Agent_bob> cause i drew a blank too.  and Jucato did have a good answer,  now when Jucato  doesn't have a good kde answer there just isn't one.
[12:36] <hateball> I just dont get why there's a default to create Koffice documents, when Koffice isnt even installed
[12:36] <Jucato> hateball: you can ask in #kde if you want
[12:36] <Jucato> hateball: um yeah those? well...
[12:36] <Jucato> (yeah they're kinda silly...)
[12:36] <hateball> :)
[12:37] <hateball> Does screaming make them go away perhaps...
[12:37] <Agent_bob> only if you jump up and down while you screem
[12:37] <Jucato> nah. the only real way is to hide/move/remove those templates...
[12:38] <Agent_bob> but as soon as you stop jumping up and down and screeming they come right back.
[12:38] <ubuntu__> hello, i have a problem with installing kubuntu 8.04 hh
[12:38] <ubuntu__> i bought a new computer and sata2 drive, when i try to intall kubuntu it says that there is no drive..
[12:39] <AlexanderB> it shows only a drive, when i set SATA mode to AHCI, is there any other option? cause AHCI is very slow..
[12:41] <HPDV2000> alexanderB, why would u set sata mode to ahci
[12:41] <HPDV2000> alexanderB, ii am not sure but if I were you, i would try to get sata to ide in bios
[12:41] <Agent_bob> i can't answer that.   but i can point out that that has nothing to do with kde so it's a generic #ubuntu question,  you can ask it in there too.    it's also a kernel question. (of sorts)    and there is a generic ##linux channel also.
[12:41] <AlexanderB> hm when i set to ahci it can install kubuntu
[12:42] <AlexanderB> when i disable it, there will no drive shown
[12:42] <Agent_bob> HPDV2000 did you read his post pre/nick change
[12:42] <hateball> Is there no BIOS option like... SATA legacy mode or something
[12:42] <hateball> native or legacy
[12:42] <HPDV2000> check your bios alexander
[12:42] <AlexanderB> hm yes there was something
[12:42] <HPDV2000> there must be a sata converting option
[12:43] <Agent_bob> he still needs to get sata2 going   that's only a work around
[12:43] <HPDV2000> I am not sure which computer he has but, I know for sure that
[12:43] <HPDV2000> you can trick your computer telling the HDD is connected to IDE and not Sata
[12:44] <HPDV2000> this is how I got and most people got around the massive complexed sata conversion for the old apps
[12:44] <Agent_bob> @?$
[12:44] <AlexanderB> hm gigabyte GA-EP45-ds3
[12:44] <AlexanderB> is the board
[12:44] <HPDV2000> ok let me check
[12:45] <HPDV2000> bob, just kidding btw
[12:45] <AlexanderB> i had a site for some minutes where u can see the bios.. but i cant find it anymore
[12:45] <HPDV2000> alex, do you have another computer to be able to chat while you take a look at your bios?
[12:46] <AlexanderB> hm no
[12:46] <gata> #kubuntu-españa
[12:46] <Agent_bob> /join #kubuntu-es
[12:46] <AlexanderB> hm can i see under konquest which sites i visited?
[12:47] <AlexanderB> ah got it
[12:47] <HPDV2000> give me the link please?
[12:47] <vampire_> hi chan
[12:47] <Agent_bob> vampire_
[12:48] <AlexanderB> http://www.jzelectronic.de/jz2/html/p965-timing.php?id=011100011100101130
[12:48] <HPDV2000> you have it right
[12:48] <HPDV2000> SATA/IDE enabled
[12:48] <HPDV2000> MODE -> IDE
[12:48] <HPDV2000> is that how you have your bios settings?
[12:49] <Agent_bob> http://tinyurl.com/6qdcx9
[12:49] <AlexanderB> wait
[12:49] <AlexanderB> http://www.jzelectronic.de/jz2/html/bios-help-ep45-ds3r.htm
[12:50] <AlexanderB> thats the link to the right bios
[12:50] <Agent_bob> http://tinyurl.com/5vcppx
[12:50] <HPDV2000> AlexanderB, o now I see
[12:51] <AlexanderB> when i do SATA AHCI mode i can install kubuntu
[12:51] <HPDV2000> Your board doesn't have the IDE choice, only raid
[12:51] <AlexanderB> hm
[12:52] <hateball> But it has the Native or Legacy mode
[12:52] <hateball> Tried changing that?
[12:52] <AlexanderB> not yes
[12:52] <AlexanderB> not yet
[12:52] <savetheWorld> is it possible to do a netinstall of kubuntu?
[12:52] <Agent_bob> "not yes" nice typo,  i'll have to remember that.
[12:52] <hateball> Will probably work AlexanderB
[12:52] <AlexanderB> :)
[12:52] <AlexanderB> where to switch it?
[12:52] <Agent_bob> !install
[12:53] <Agent_bob> savetheWorld ^
[12:53] <HPDV2000> Integrated Pheri -> SATA port0-3 Native -> Disable
[12:53] <hateball> Ye
[12:53] <hateball> or Enable... whichever it isnt now
[12:53] <savetheWorld> !automate
[12:53] <HPDV2000> his going to do Enable
[12:54] <hateball> !smackthecrapoutofkdetemplates
[12:54] <AlexanderB> ok
[12:54] <hateball> hmmm
[12:54] <AlexanderB> i will try that
[12:54] <HPDV2000> thats weird tho.. i thought kubuntu should pick the HDD right up
[12:55] <AlexanderB> ill reboot and check it ;) if i dont come back it works fine, cause iam installing then
[12:55] <hateball> I have the same issue with machines at work
[12:55] <Agent_bob> !botsnack | somebody this is a bug in the bot i think
[12:55] <AlexanderB> bye
[12:55] <hateball> So have to change that in BIOS before booting them
[12:55] <AlexanderB> yes ^
[12:56] <Agent_bob> whos bot is it? i forgot ?
[12:56] <HPDV2000> what would you do if he comes back? :)
[12:57] <Agent_bob> i already did it.  i'd point him at three other channelc and hide....
[12:57] <HPDV2000> anyways, I'm trying to get the moving background working, can someone give me a help? :)
[12:58] <jussi01> !me
[12:58] <jussi01> hrm...
[12:58] <jussi01> Agent_bob: anyway, I own ubottu
[12:58] <Agent_bob> jussi01 after a pipe it's still keying on the word "is"
[12:58] <jussi01> Agent_bob: known bug
[12:58] <jussi01> !bug | Agent_bob
[12:58] <Agent_bob> jussi01 ok.
[12:59] <Agent_bob> what language is it writen in ?
[13:02] <Agent_bob> i see it.
[13:03]  * hateball cackles
[13:03] <hateball> HEHE
[13:03] <hateball> Templates... *poff*
[13:04] <hateball> It's often smarter to run X against the server you're doing the file operations on
[13:04] <hateball> To see the results.
[13:04] <hateball> As opposed to... not
[13:05] <savetheWorld> !source
[13:05] <savetheWorld> !ubottu
[13:05] <AlexanderB> it didnt work
[13:05] <AlexanderB> can't see any partition
[13:12] <AlexanderB> could work a newer kernel?
[13:12] <FoxIII> Hi all. How's it going?
[13:14] <hateball> Wonderful!
[13:15] <FoxIII> I managed to get my wireless network working earlier, which was cool, but after installing the updates, it's not even picking up a signal. Is there any way I can find out what has caused this to happen? Messages are at http://paste.ubuntu.com/26188/
[13:15] <FoxIII> hateball, cool :)
[13:19] <SilentDis> HALP! I'm starting to get a hardware failure on my primary hard drive.  My secondary drive appears to be ok. I've got home in hdb3, and a 25gb 'storage' partition sitting around doing nothing on hdb2.  Is it possible to transfer the OS files over to it without too much hastle, or would it be easier to run aptoncd, and just disable hda and just swap over to hdb entirely?
[13:20] <hyakuhei> Swap over as soon as possible, lots of ways to do it, I'd use a live disk and copy to a brand new drive. Spinning rust is cheap these days
[13:20] <sonoftheclayr> SilentDis: Could you perhaps just copy the files over, reinstall grub and edit fstab?
[13:20] <_Chartoin> I have a small problem with sound in Kubuntu. Can someione help?
[13:21] <_Chartoin> I have installed the latest ALSA 16 driver but still it says no soundcards found
[13:21] <_Chartoin> It was working earlier
[13:21] <_Chartoin> it stopped working suddenly
[13:21] <FoxIII> _Chartoin, what sound card do you have? If it was working earlier, did you install any updates?
[13:21] <Agent_bob> SilentDis sure just use something like mc as root and copy the system.      you'll have to edit your grub/menu.lst and fstab   that's about it.
[13:21] <_Chartoin> ati soundcarrd
[13:22] <SilentDis> sonoftheclayr: that's what i'm considering.  i'm glad i was intelligent in my setup and put home on a seperate drive.  the absolute 'most' work i'd have to do in this is aptoncd, pull hda entirely, and format hdb1&2 (hdb1 is swap space, hdb2 is currently fat32) and just keep rockin' in the free world.  just curious if there's an easier way to swap it over is all :)
[13:22] <_Chartoin> I even know the driver 'sb450'
[13:22] <_Chartoin> i really don't know what caused the problem
[13:23] <sonoftheclayr> SilentDis: I'm not too sure but becuase it's in the same computer the OS will work anyway so you would just need to change the appropriate config files to say that the root directory has changed
[13:23] <SilentDis> i know i'll have to install grub on hdb2, will i loose the partition table in doing this?  and what changes will i need to make to fstab?
[13:23] <rysiek|pl> hi all
[13:23] <SilentDis> er, grub on hdb i should say
[13:23] <_Chartoin> so FoxIII
[13:24] <FoxIII> _Chartoin, there is a bug regarding your sound card / driver at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/136308
[13:24] <rysiek|pl> guys, is there anything that would allow me to use a few ssh session simultaneously? i.e. I hve 10 identical software and hardware setups, all with linux and openssh onboard; I'd love to ssh simultaneously to all of them and send commands simultaneously to all of them
[13:24] <sonoftheclayr> SilentDis: Not too sure about the partition table. In fstab you would just change /dev/hda1 (Or whatever your primary drive is) to /dev/hdb2 (Or wherever you want it)
[13:24] <rysiek|pl> any ideas?
[13:24] <FoxIII> _Chartoin, have a look there and see if any of it sounds familiar
[13:24] <_Chartoin> yeah, I am taking a look
[13:25] <sonoftheclayr> rysiek|pl: Not too sure about being able to mass SSH. Maybe there is something else that can do the same thing?
[13:25] <SilentDis> hrm... one other question, i would like to stick with a 2hd setup for speed reasons...  is there anything out there that can diagnose off of S.M.A.R.T. data?
[13:25] <sonoftheclayr> SilentDis: Not too sure sorry
[13:26] <_Chartoin> FoxIII: I dont think that I have the same problem. When I give the command 'lspci -v', i get no sound cards found
[13:26] <Agent_bob> SilentDis grub well any boot loader is only supposed to take up 512 bytes of the MBR   so in short  it's not supposed to affect partition table...   how ever grub is slightly over 512 now.   so i make no promices
[13:26] <rysiek|pl> sonoftheclayr: well, I'd rather not use telnet, y'know ;)
[13:26] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: that's not a big deal.  HDB is mammoth... so i kinda gave hdb1 10gb... for swap... lol
[13:27] <FoxIII> _Chartoin, hmm okay. Well if you didn't do any upgrades / updates and it just suddenly stopped it must be something else. Are you able to test it on another OS? Have you checked the card itself to ensure it's sitting correctly?
[13:27] <SilentDis> it'll be 5gb, and the OS will get the rest after this... hdb3 will remain it's normal gynormous 350gb hehe
[13:28] <Agent_bob> SilentDis missed point
[13:28] <SilentDis> i did?
[13:28] <SilentDis> ohhh, that it might write into the partition table itself... oh... hrm...
[13:28] <Agent_bob> partition table would affect all partitions not just the first one.   but like i said it's NOT supposed to.
[13:28] <SilentDis> time to dig out something and try to backup said huge drive then...
[13:29] <Agent_bob> no substitute for backups.
[13:29] <SilentDis> the data's all backed up, no worries there... but to say i've been a bit lax in backing up my media (mp3s and movies) is an understatement...
[13:29] <_Chartoin> it workd fine on windows
[13:29] <sonoftheclayr> rysiek|pl: Perhaps you could connect to a proxy which then sends the commands onto the seperate computers?
[13:29] <_Chartoin> FoxIII: I'll be right back
[13:29] <FoxIII> _Chartoin, okay
[13:30] <rysiek|pl> sonoftheclayr: yeah, and I could write a bash script, too; thought I'd search for an existing solution first, though ;)
[13:31] <SilentDis> rysiek|pl: i have some vague memory of some sort of control app to do something similar to that as either a konq plugin or a php dealie....  i've been trying to recall the details, but i'm kinda dealing with a drive fail, as you've seen lol
[13:31] <sonoftheclayr> rysiek|pl: I'm having a look too. Not much luck though :(. But surely there must for big network admins that have to deploy the same commands over many computers
[13:31] <Agent_bob> SilentDis the way i found out that grub now over-reaches it's boundary is the fact that i don't have/use partitions  and when i tried to write a grub MBR to my boot hdd it hosed the primary superblock so i had to mount with the first backup superblock and fix things.
[13:31] <SilentDis> rysiek|pl: check out kdeapps.org... i'm a bit afraid to surf right now lol
[13:33] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: ahhh, thanks for the warning at least.  It *seems* stable enough to at least try to get backups done.  if push comes to shove, it might just be easier to 'reinstall' to the drive.  but i will try just copying things first :)
[13:34] <rysiek|pl> SilentDis: thanks :)
[13:34] <Agent_bob> SilentDis yeah. i would give it a go.     welcome
[13:34] <SilentDis> spoke too soon.  drive just went down again lol
[13:35] <SilentDis> running apps are fine, but nothing else can be found.  ugh.
[13:35] <rysiek|pl> SilentDis: probably somebody already said it, but... use a LiveCd, Luke, and backup everything with dd-rescue first
[13:35] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl or just reload.  it's the system not the storage...
[13:36] <SilentDis> gonna have to power down to get back to workable here.  thanks all for the help, i'll get 'er going again :)
[13:37] <sonoftheclayr> rysiek|pl: Try looking up 'multiplex ssh'
[13:37] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: ah, software not hardware? m'kay, sorry, misunderstood; in that case backup everything from under LiveCD normally (not dd-rescue);)
[13:37] <Agent_bob> we'll cary on without ya
[13:37] <rysiek|pl> sonoftheclayr: "multiplex" says you... ok, not tried that keyword yet, thanks
[13:38] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl no.  that's not what i mean.  it's the drive the system is on   not  the storage drive where his data is
[13:38] <sonoftheclayr> rysiek|pl: I'm not sure if it will connect to many at the same time but it sort of tunnels the connections through if you know what i mean
[13:38] <rysiek|pl> sonoftheclayr: ok, thanks
[13:38] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl thus easier faster to just reload than try to salvage a possably hosed system
[13:39] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: ah, ok. well in that case, sorry to get between you guys :)
[13:39] <wainwright> Hi. I was wondering if it was possible for strigi to display an ODF file as a result instead of XML files within it. Does anyone know if this is possible?
[13:45] <rysiek|pl> sonoftheclayr: clusterssh! :)
[13:50] <rysiek|pl> anywhoo, gtg, cu all
[13:50] <Agent_bob> ok i'm out.
[13:51] <H3> hey there!
[14:08] <oobe> im having probs with firefox-3.0 in hardy heron it freezes and take ages to load it was no doing this before
[14:09] <oobe> has anyone had similar problems
[14:17] <ernesto> hi! i just did a frsh einstall with kubuntu 8.04 in the live cd the sound works perfectly, not so in the real install. i have 2 sound cards, but the one i use is ensonic audio whis was the default one in the live cd but not in the real install, can anyone help?
[14:18] <ernesto> and when i run añlsamixer it gives me the via card
[14:19] <Githzerai> ernesto: diasble not used one in BIOS and you shouldn't have any more problems with it ;)
[14:19] <ernesto> lets see...Githzerai
[14:21] <waylandbill> I have an avi video file that was encoded with xvid/wma. What program would I use to re-encode to xvid/mp3?
[14:22] <Githzerai> waylandbill: ffmpeg
[14:22] <Githzerai> or avidemux
[14:23] <waylandbill> thanks Githzerai
[14:23] <Githzerai> waylandbill: ;)
[14:25] <ernesto> Githzerai you are a genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:26] <Githzerai> ernesto: Not geniuos, just have some expirience with same problem ;)
[14:27] <ernesto> now, do u think that if i upgrade all new packages i will get to keep my sound?!
[14:28] <Githzerai> ernesto: Once disabled in BIOS, you will most certanly not have any further problems with that other sound card ;)
[14:28] <ernesto> ive been battling with that since sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:29] <Githzerai> ernesto: Easiest solutions are often the best possible ones :)
[14:29] <ernesto> yes they are....
[14:36] <waylandbill> Githzerai: used avidemux. does it pretty quickly too. Probably because video is just a straight copy.
[14:37] <Githzerai> waylandbill: well it's only sound codec you're changing ;)
[14:42] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:46] <timmytron> does anyone in here use wcid?
[14:49] <glolo> i installed kubuntu and it gets stuck at boot. sometimes after partition checking sometimes any where but before x. kde4 works fine. but it has some other runtime errors. what cani do?
[14:54] <ernesto> glolo, how can kde4 work fine and not kde 3.5? kde works for X and not for booting or partition check?
[14:55] <glolo> thats the case..
[14:55] <glolo> may be kde3 has some app that is troubling
[14:55] <dr_Willis> sounds like some currupted files. or other odd issues going on.
[14:56] <ernesto> if it were kde x would not run or would have serious problems
[14:56] <dr_Willis> Not running is a serious problem isent it?
[14:57] <dr_Willis> I would be tempted to start up a X session with just a terminal, and run startkde from the terminal to check for error messages
[14:57] <dr_Willis> I forget where the other x logs files go... could check them also
[14:57] <ernesto> yes it is, but im talking about the graphical interface...unless kde has something to do with boot that i am totally unaware of
[14:57] <glolo> dr_Willis i cant get to terminal
[14:58] <dr_Willis> i would have to guess at a Curuupted Install media, or hardware issue in that case  glolo .
[14:58] <glolo> hm
[14:58] <ernesto> what speed did you burn your live cd?
[14:59] <glolo> dr_Willis and my network card is gone too
[14:59] <glolo>  This device cannot start. (Code 10)  any help for this network card?
[14:59] <glolo> thats a windows code
[14:59] <dr_Willis> Sounding more and more like hardware issues to me.
[15:00] <george__> bla
[15:19] <helpthisnoobie> ok i finally got kubuntu installed...YEAH!!!
[15:19] <helpthisnoobie> I need help with getting my wireless card up and running
[15:20] <seisen> what type of wireless card is it
[15:21] <helpthisnoobie> linksys wpc54gs v2
[15:22] <helpthisnoobie> kubuntu is recognizing the card but i cant connect with it
[15:23] <seisen> try this guide http://blog.eksfiles.net/2007/12/30/using-the-linksys-wpc54g-v2-and-wpa-with-ubuntu-gutsy/
[15:23] <seisen> just forget about the wpa part
[15:23] <helpthisnoobie> ok i installed 8.04 (hardy)
[15:23] <seisen> I have had cards that seemed to work but they ended up needin ndiswrapper to work
[15:25] <helpthisnoobie> kubuntu supports wpa right???
[15:25] <Schorfi> yes
[15:28] <helpthisnoobie> will these instructions help with 8.04...i see that they are for 7.10
[15:28] <seisen> they should
[15:29] <helpthisnoobie> ok it asks to have the cd for the adapter available...but i dont have it any longer....
[15:32] <seisen> you can try to search for the drivers you need
[15:34] <helpthisnoobie> ok if kubuntu recognized the card where do I search
[15:34] <helpthisnoobie> or should I dl the drivers
[15:37] <frojnd> hello there
[15:37] <frojnd> would anyone know what is the usual directory containing .wma files after I put in cdrom audio CD ?
[15:38] <timboy> I upgraded my graphics card to SLI installed newest NVIDIA drivers and max resolution won't go above 800x600 can someone give me a hand?
[15:40] <helpthisnoobie> seisen: if kubuntu recognized the card where do I search or should I dl the drivers
[15:42] <seisen> search for those five files listed in step 4 using google
[15:43] <ubuntu> Hallo :)
[15:46] <helpthisnoobie> oh ok thanx let me try that....Im dl the drivers from linksys...hopefully those files are on that dl
[15:50] <evan__> when i install kd4 i get this error that i cant find the package kubuntu-kde4-desktopsudo anyone konws if its broken?
[15:52] <seisen> I don't think that package even exists does it?
[15:53] <evan__> seisen: i get it wen apt-get upgrade
[15:54] <Pici> evan__: What version of Ubuntu
[15:54] <evan__> kubuntu
[15:54] <evan__> 8:04
[15:54] <seisen> are you using the ppa kde4 repository?
[15:54] <evan__> yes
[15:55] <evan__> seisen: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu  hardy main
[16:02] <seisen> I don't even see the package in that repository
[16:03] <seisen> did you install the kubuntu-kde-desktop package?
[16:05] <alexei> Two applications, two different fonts, the same problem: bad kerning. Can anybody confirm this on Ubuntu Hardy? See screenshots http://imagebin.ca/view/ZKYNZ1VI.html http://imagebin.ca/view/R-WJCiHV.html
[16:06] <FoxIII> Which is better to use, gt or gtk ? And what's the difference?
[16:06] <FoxIII> !qt
[16:06] <FoxIII> !gtk
[16:06] <Pici> There you go.
[16:07] <FoxIII> Pici,  hehe. Keep forgetting about our ubottu :)
[16:07] <Pici> FoxIII: Unless you are developing an application, you really don;t have a choice. And if an application provides both toolkits, use the one for the desktop environment you're using.
[16:07] <evan__> seisen: i tried it faild and then i dpkg forsed it
[16:08] <FoxIII> Pici,  So I would need qt if I was programming in C++ ?
[16:08] <savetheWorld> FoxIII: you dont "need" it
[16:08] <savetheWorld> FoxIII: but it enables you to do a lot of GUI stuff
[16:09] <Pici> FoxIII: I don't see why you would.  It would be appropriate if you were programming a C++ application for use in KDE.
[16:09] <savetheWorld> FoxIII: and so saves you tons of DIY work
[16:09] <Pici> But its not a must have, as savetheWorld said
[16:09] <FoxIII> savetheWorld,  ah okay. It's just that I've just started with C++ so don't need anything like that at the minute.
[16:10] <savetheWorld> "let me show my Uber-Comples GUI frameWork Environement. It only takes 30 years to learn and adds 47 GB to your executables size..."  :-D
[16:11] <alexei> I was forced out... was there any reply yet?
[16:25] <kalorin> heh
[16:25] <kalorin> anyone know of a subversion client that will work with a proxy server?
[16:25] <kalorin> since it has to fetch from the repository via http
[16:25] <kalorin> so lame
[16:29] <Githzerai> kalorin: kdesvn, kasablanca ?
[16:35] <harry0001> why isn't kubuntu isn't retaining the infomation saved?  Bookmarks is another problum.
[16:36] <kalorin> Githzerai: Iv'e tried those but I need to be able to specify a proxy server for it to use
[16:40] <harry0001> what is the command for disk space?
[16:41] <muesli> harry0001: df
[16:41] <harry0001> thansk thought it was du.
[16:46] <Rioting_pacifist> whats the lmiting factor in IDE-HDD access, is it the disks or the cable? (a.k.a is it worth me putting 2 HDDs on seperate cables to speed up read/write?)
[16:49] <Pici> Rioting_pacifist: Thats not really within the scope of this channel, you'll have better luck asking in ##hardware
[16:49] <Rioting_pacifist> ok, thx
[16:50] <helpthisnoobie> need help with installing linksys wireless adapter.....I was given a web site before but it doesnt help much
[16:51] <seisen> what problems did you run into?
[16:52] <helpthisnoobie> well the site is for a wpc54g and the files for the that adapter are not the same as the ones for the wpc54gs
[16:53] <Dr_willis> it will depend on the exact chipset in the wireless card, also.
[16:53] <Dr_willis> and thats about all i know on wireless...
[16:54] <helpthisnoobie> well it is a broadcom b43
[16:54] <helpthisnoobie> chipset i believe
[16:54] <Dr_willis> thats not the exact chipset. :)
[16:54] <Dr_willis> my b4310 (i think) i had to use ndiswrappers.
[16:54] <helpthisnoobie> ok maybe im wrong
[16:55] <Dr_willis> There is the b43 package/modules that you may need to install.
[16:55] <Dr_willis> !find b43
[16:55] <helpthisnoobie> ok how do I use or get ndiswrappers
[16:55] <helpthisnoobie> !find b43
[16:56] <Rioting_pacifist> b43 needs firmware for the OSS driver or ndiswrapper for the closed source driver, i think kubuntu comes with a gui tool to install the firmware, jokey-kde
[16:56] <Dr_willis> try installing that b43-fwcutter package first.
[16:56] <helpthisnoobie> well the device driver is already installed
[16:56] <Dr_willis> yea. use the hardware manager tool. jokey-kde to see what it says about the device
[16:56] <Dr_willis> I had to follow the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty_No-Fluff#head-d8ce0e35a4ccdbeddd6cf36f9cb23a11d8e0e9dc
[16:56] <Dr_willis> ti get mine working.. you may or may NOT have to do that.
[16:56] <Dr_willis> It all depends on the exact chipset.
[16:57] <Dr_willis> The command --> lspci -n | grep '14e4:43'
[16:57] <Dr_willis> will give a good clue as to your wireless chipset
[17:05] <helpthisnoobie> Dr_Willis: when I run that command line nothing happens
[17:08] <helpthisnoobie> !finf ndiswrapper
[17:09] <kalorin> heh
[17:09] <helpthisnoobie> !find ndiswrapper
[17:09] <kalorin> so i'm ssh tunneled to my house, and over that tunnel I have squid on the other side proxy my web surfing so that I don't have to worry about them looking at what I'm surfing
[17:09] <kalorin> and I want to get subversion to work over that
[17:10] <kalorin> but it can't find the fake hostname that I gave the virtual host at home because it's using the nameservers here
[17:10] <kalorin> and dosn't know how to route that stuff
[17:10] <kalorin> any thoughts?
[17:11] <andyt> why not just svn svn+ssh://someurl/somepath ?
[17:16] <eric> salut
[17:19] <mil_> Hi all Does kubuntu have an equivalent to Task Manager? I need to end Wammu which has hanged on Phone Search
[17:20] <Jucato> mil_: Ctrl+Esc
[17:22] <makdaknife> Jucato: I never knew about that... sweet... all of this time ps -ef|grep has been my tool of choice
[17:22] <Jucato> :)
[17:24] <mil_> thanks juc it workED  haha how dumb of me
[17:30] <maronix> hey all
[17:30] <patricio> hello
[17:30] <maronix> i have remaster my kubuntu
[17:31] <patricio> remaster?
[17:31] <maronix> i need topic or books for this operation
[17:31] <maronix> yes
[17:31] <maronix> remaster = create you first destrubution a base for kubuntu
[17:32] <patricio> Ok, I understand
[17:33] <maronix> you found?
[17:39] <jebb> hi
[17:39] <jebb> asl
[17:40] <ubuntu___> xc
[17:41] <helpthisnoobie> ok here we go
[17:41] <helpthisnoobie> trying to get my linksys wpc54gs card to work with kubuntu.... I need some help PLZ!!
[17:42] <Tm_T> !wireless
[17:43] <helpthisnoobie> !wireless
[17:44] <Ryuk_> hi
[17:44] <Ryuk_> someone here with samsung R70 notebook?
[17:44] <jussi01> Ryuk_: not me, but whats up?
[17:45] <Dr_willis> helpthisnoobie,  it may be a good idea to log at some web site, what you have tried/done and whats not worked.  It will save time for others trying to help.
[17:45] <Ryuk_> i have a card reader, but it does not work. Wanted to mount a memory stick, but does not work
[17:45] <Ryuk_> This reader is integrated*
[17:46] <Dr_willis> Ryuk_,  with some laptops built in card readers. theres limited linux support. due to no docs/specs. Some slots may work. some may not.
[17:46] <Ryuk_> And shows up in lspci
[17:46] <Ryuk_> ah
[17:46] <Dr_willis> Ryuk_,  my laptop can read sd cards, but not the sony mmc, or some others.
[17:46] <helpthisnoobie> i tried running the lspci command to get chipset info on card and nothing happened
[17:47] <moparisthebest> when i run update-grub it resets all my automagic kernel options when it isnt supposed to, how can i fix that?
[17:47] <helpthisnoobie> right now I am going to the webpage that was suggested and start reaading
[17:47] <shazin> Hello
[17:47] <shazin> All
[17:47] <sigma_12> how do you burn a cd iso to a dvd?
[17:47] <Dr_willis> helpthisnoobie,  it may be its not a broadcom chipset.  Or some really odd/new/ one.
[17:47] <shazin> Just Configured my Kubuntu
[17:48] <Dr_willis> lspci -n          should show some info at least.
[17:48] <helpthisnoobie> ok let me try
[17:48] <tzd> is it possible to have some kind of app/script that auto unmounts network shares before shutdown please?
[17:48] <Ryuk_> -n?
[17:49] <helpthisnoobie> i ran that command line and nothing happens
[17:49] <Dr_willis> the wireless guide suggests ----> The command --> lspci -n | grep '14e4:43'
[17:49] <Dr_willis> gee.. does just lspci give anything?
[17:49] <helpthisnoobie> i also tried that command and nothing happens either
[17:50] <Dr_willis> is this a USB wireless gizmo? laptop? desktop?
[17:50] <helpthisnoobie> nothing shows on my screen after running either of those commands
[17:50] <Ryuk_> Well, thanks. I will use my memory stick usb adaptor then. Bye
[17:50] <Dr_willis> if lspci prints out nothing.. You got something really weird going on.
[17:50] <helpthisnoobie> no its a card on a laptop
[17:50] <jussi01> very
[17:51] <Dr_willis> its built into a laptop you mean? or is it a plug in pcmcia card?
[17:51] <helpthisnoobie> its a plug in pcmcia card
[17:52] <Dr_willis> thats proberly the reason why then. :)
[17:52] <Dr_willis> I havent messed with one of those in years..
[17:52] <Dr_willis> !pcmcia
[17:53] <Dr_willis> Hmmm..  when ya plug those in , they are supposed to start some service.. and get detected. Other then that. I dont rember much about them
[17:53] <helpthisnoobie> is an adapter card if thats what you mean
[17:53] <Dr_willis> !find pcmcia
[17:54] <Dr_willis> You may need to install the    pcmcia-cs  and  pcmciautils packages first
[17:54] <Dr_willis> !info  pcmcia-cs
[17:56] <helpthisnoobie> this is a card you put in on the side of the laptop and not installed internally
[17:58] <helpthisnoobie> this is what i have
[17:58] <helpthisnoobie> Linksys  802.11g  WMP54G  PCI  Broadcom
[18:02] <rhubarb> anyone know how to mark a bug as dupe on kde bus?
[18:02] <rhubarb> *ugs
[18:02] <rhubarb> *bugs (third time lucky)
[18:15] <eagles0513875> hey guys i have a question does anyone have an issue with hal and mounting ur local hard drive as well as a usb pen drive to access it
[18:15] <eagles0513875> *your
[18:16] <eagles0513875> reason i ask is im having issues accessing the local drive it says feature is available with hal and i look up to see if the service is running and it is
[18:16] <eagles0513875> and same thing with pen drives results in the same issue
[18:17] <nzk> Argh, why do flash videos only play for 5 or 6 seconds before they just stop, with no way of continuing?
[18:19] <eagles0513875> hey guys i have a question does anyone have an issue with hal and mounting ur local hard drive as well as a usb pen drive to access it
[18:23] <Muzer> How do you add extra folders to the "places" section in the KDE4 K menu?
[18:23] <jussi01> Muzer: #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 support :)
[18:24] <Muzer> oh, yeah, I forgot about that
[18:24] <Muzer> thanks
[18:59] <davood> hh
[19:00] <gata_> #kubuntu es
[19:09]  * genii puts on another pot of coffee
[19:11] <buckethead> Does anyone know a good GUI based file sync program like vice versa pro?
[19:18] <dwidmann_laptop> Hmm, does anyone around know anything about issues with hardy+updates+intel+full_screen_video=hanging?
[19:20] <genii> dwidmann_laptop: I haven't noticed it on my box (Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS)
[19:20] <dwidmann_laptop> genii: maybe it's specific to the 965GM then?
[19:20] <tzd> is it possible to have some kind of app/script that auto unmounts network shares before shutdown please?
[19:21] <genii> dwidmann_laptop: Possibly
[19:21] <Kamugo> I, my amarok don't put the artworks in my iPod Classic
[19:21] <dwidmann_laptop> tzd:  if it's listed in the fstab it should
[19:22] <dwidmann_laptop> genii: I'm thinking it's the xserver-xorg-video-intel package, but I'm not sure, I've had trouble with it since the frequent updates that went on about a month ago or so
[19:23] <genii> tzd: The things that are done during shutdown are in /etc/rc0.d
[19:23] <tzd> dwidmann_laptop: i have a few shares listed in fstab and eventually it unmounts although it's taknig way too long and leaving a few error messages before it shuts down....it's reported as a bug although i was hoping to find some kind of workaround. The one workaround that def. works now is if i disable network manager but then mysql won't work properly and i need mysql
[19:24] <tzd> genii: hmm ok, perhaps i can find something there :)
[19:24] <dwidmann_laptop> tzd: network manager bug then? hmm, how does it interfere with mysql working properly?
[19:25] <dwidmann_laptop> tzd: write a script, and symlink to it in that folder (rc0.d)
[19:25] <dwidmann_laptop> tzd: the name of the symlink in that folder *does* matter, follow convention
[19:25] <genii> tzd: The script that normally is unmounting network file system is S31umountnfs.sh in there
[19:25] <tzd> dwidmann_laptop: yes network mgr bug. I'm not sure how it interferes with mysql although it just wouldn't run at startup after disabling nw mgr
[19:26] <rhubarb> how does one make the subtitles bigger in dragon?
[19:26] <tzd> dwidmann_laptop: hmm I'll leave it for now, otherwise I'll probably make a massive mess :)
[19:26] <tzd> genii: I'll have a look inside that one and see if i can find something interesting
[19:26] <tzd> cheers guys :)
[19:28] <aaroncampbell> Are there any known problems with kompare that causes it to not be able to "parse diff output" ?  It happened after an update weeks ago, but I thought there would be an update in the pipeline so I switched to meld temporarily
[19:28] <tzd> I'm actually finding it very strange that this bug I'm experiencing are set to low/undecided. What does it (the bug) need to be of higher importance please? There's a lot of people writing about it so I know I'm not the only one :)
[19:29] <Areinu> Help T_T The thingy bar of the desktop, you know, where all aplications are, and the clock, just turned off on me and I logged out, and logged in and it's still not there :< How do I turn that on?
[19:30] <buckethead> i
[19:31] <dwidmann_laptop> Areinu: hit alt+f2, then type kciker and press enter
[19:32] <genii> kicker
[19:33] <Areinu> I heard some scary sound and it's still not here :< I have double monitor setup and it was on autohide, but I checked all sides and it didn't pop out
[19:33] <Jabop> Is there a way to receive rootmail on Kubuntu?
[19:34] <Areinu> Oh wait, when I move mouse to the bottom of 1st screen the bar appears on 2nd screen!
[19:40] <Areinu> Now... how can I move that kicker to it's correct place? I cannot targer it with my cursor :<
[19:41] <Desactivado> Hola
[19:44] <Areinu> Ok, so I just went and removed kicker related settings from home/.kde and alt+ctrl+backspaced and it works now D:
[20:02] <dwidmann_laptop> Well, that one package didn't do it genii, I wonder which one did then ... hmmm
[20:02] <dwidmann_laptop> too many possibilities :(
[20:02] <genii> Yup
[20:03] <dwidmann_laptop> what sucks is that I have to hard power off every time I take a go at the problem :(
[20:05] <dwidmann_laptop> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, kernel problem? Maybe. I think I'll try that next
[20:05]  * genii puts on more coffee
[20:08] <lolocube0000> hi all
[20:09] <lolocube0000> lol
[20:09] <genii> lolocube0000: Welcome to the #kubuntu help channel. What is the nature of your kubuntu emergency?
[20:09] <lolocube0000> hi
[20:10] <lolocube0000> to be here i need to have an emergency?
[20:10] <lolocube0000> ...
[20:10] <genii> lolocube0000: This is the support channel, so it doesn't hurt. If you just want to chat perhaps try #kubuntu-offtopic channel
[20:11] <lolocube0000> ok thanks
[20:12] <gnomefreak> so soon i didnt even get back with my popcorn yet, that was gonna be good :(
[20:12] <dwidmann> genii: well, seems ... maybe kernel related. Instead of black screen I got blue screen with the other kernel
[20:12] <genii> dwidmann: I have no idea. Sounds plausible however
[20:13] <genii> dwidmann: Were you using the -rt kernel?
[20:14] <aaroncampbell> genii: You sounds a little like the holographic doctor from StarTrek Voyager: "Please state the nature of the medical emergency."
[20:15] <Dr_willis> :)
[20:15] <genii> aaroncampbell: Yes, that was sort of the idea :)
[20:15] <genii> Dr_willis: Hiya
[20:16] <aaroncampbell> but, but, but...the Genii are from Stargate!  You're turning my Sci-Fi world all topsy-turvy!
[20:17] <genii> aaroncampbell: Suspend disbelief ;)
[20:17] <aaroncampbell> Lol
[20:20] <dwidmann> genii: no, the generic
[20:20] <dwidmann> Tried the latest one in ?-security? and the old one from the release
[20:21] <genii> aaroncampbell: When SG1 brought all those other actors over from Farscape that must have messed you up
[20:21] <dwidmann> In other news, it seems VLC 0.9.0 builds, and runs. I haven't tested much with it, but I'm impressed nonetheless, hurray for the QT4 UI
[20:24] <dwidmann> anywho, I think I'm going to go to the other side of the room and get some gaming in
[20:24] <dwidmann> and by some I mean I'll stop when my eyes are bleeding
[20:24] <jussi01> *cough*
[20:25]  * genii hands jussi01 the cough drops
[20:28] <glolo> only kubuntu gutsy works for me. if i use fiesty or hardy, at boot it helds up befor or at x . any help?
[20:42] <glolo> only kubuntu gutsy works for me. if i use fiesty or hardy, at boot it helds up befor or at x . any help?
[20:43] <genii> glolo: Perhaps check to see if you had some special kernel options specified
[20:44] <glolo> genii ok. like what?
[20:44] <home__> i need a undernet server pls :)
[20:47] <genii> glolo: in the file /boot/grub/menu.lst are all the kernels it knows about, find in there the gutsy one which it likes and look at the end of the line which starts something like "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-" and at the end normally you see quiet nosplash             Sometimes it needs ones like acpi=off or other ones
[20:47] <jb__> hello all
[20:47] <jb__> how can i run dolphin as superuser?
[20:48] <glolo> genii can i do that in at booot. at grub. by pressing e ?
[20:48] <jb__> because i can not create a folder in /etc/modultils with dolphin
[20:49] <jb__> hello
[20:49] <genii> jb__: alt-f2 kdesu d3lphin
[20:49] <gnomefreak> and all this time i thought it was dolphin
[20:49] <glolo> genii can i do that in at booot. at grub. by pressing e ?
[20:49] <jb__> genii: thank you but command not found!
[20:49] <genii> glolo: When you edit there it is good only 1 boot, it won't stay until next time. But just to examine the current options, yes it's fine
[20:50] <gnomefreak> jb__: its dolphin
[20:50] <glolo> genii ok. thx
[20:50] <glolo> genii so  i should put a nopci?
[20:50] <gnomefreak> jb__: no package d3lphin
[20:50] <glolo> genii so  i should put a nosplash and acpi=off?
[20:50] <jb__> gnomefreak: i put alt-f2 kdesu dolphin, and command not found
[20:51] <gnomefreak> jb__: kdesudo work?
[20:51] <genii> glolo: You shouldn't just put in random options. Look as I said at the Gutsy kernel line which you say it likes. Look at the end and see if it has some option the other feisty or hardy lines which do not work do not have
[20:51] <gnomefreak> although hardy it should work
[20:51] <gnomefreak> jb__: do you have dolphin installed?
[20:51] <glolo> hmm.. ok
[20:52] <jb__> yes
[20:52] <glolo> thx... genii
[20:52] <jb__> gnomefreak: yes, but i have the impression kdesu does not work
[20:52] <gnomefreak> im not on kde atm and im assuming you are on kde3?
[20:52] <gnomefreak> jb__: they should both work as they are linked or atleast should be linked
[20:53] <gnomefreak> gtksua nd gtksudo are linked i would assume kde would follow since that is a sudo command
[20:53] <gnomefreak> s/gtksua nd/gtksu and/
[20:53] <gnomefreak> s/kde/kubuntu
[20:53] <jb__> gnomefreak: since the last kubuntu, i think gksudo does not work
[20:54] <gnomefreak> jb__: works here on gnome
[20:54] <gnomefreak> jb__: both do
[20:54] <gnomefreak> oh
[20:54] <gnomefreak> maybe not
[20:55] <gnomefreak> hold that thought
[20:55] <gnomefreak> ah good
[20:55] <gnomefreak> neither work
[20:55] <gnomefreak> im on intrepid so its hard to test at this time
[20:55] <jb__> gnomefreak: kdesudo dolphin command not found!
[20:55] <gnomefreak> but if 1 works the other should
[20:56] <gnomefreak> jb__: i get taht with nautilus as well
[20:56] <gnomefreak> jb__: both fail here
[20:56] <gnomefreak> but again im not on hardy
[20:57] <jb__> gnomefreak: how can i creat a file named alsa in /etc/modutils ?
[20:57] <gnomefreak> sudo mkdir /etc/modutils/nameoffile
[20:57] <jb__> gksudo also fails
[20:57] <gnomefreak> jb__: i know talking to someone about them all atm
[20:59] <gnomefreak> opps
[20:59] <genii> jb__: mkdir will make a directory. To make a blank file there use touch instead
[20:59] <gnomefreak> its gksudo
[20:59] <gnomefreak> no t
[21:00] <jb__> Thank You All
[21:00] <gnomefreak> jb__: noone worked for you
[21:00] <gnomefreak> jb__: kdesu and kdesudo?
[21:00] <gnomefreak> or did one work and other not
[21:00] <jb__> gnomefreak: i don't know why but kdesu, kdesudo and gksudo do not work for me
[21:01] <gnomefreak> i do
[21:01] <gnomefreak> jb__: give me a minute and its gksu and gksudo but kdesu has issues
[21:01] <genii> jb__: Is the user name you are logged in with the one created during install time, or one added afterwards? Only the first user made has sudo rights by default.
[21:01] <gnomefreak>  KDE's stock kdesu has been renamed to
[21:02] <gnomefreak>                           /usr/bin/kdesu.distrib
[21:02] <gnomefreak> 16:00 <         smarter > and it caused some problem in the paste, but nobody
[21:02] <gnomefreak>                           use it anymore on kubuntu
[21:02] <jb__> it's the one i entered during install time
[21:02] <jb__> so kdesu and kdesudo: command not found
[21:03] <gnomefreak> jb__: kdesudo should work
[21:03] <jb__> and gksu and gksudo are not installed
[21:03] <gnomefreak> kdesu wont
[21:03] <gnomefreak> jb__: you dont have gtk libraries for them
[21:03] <gnomefreak> so stick with kdesudo
[21:03] <gnomefreak> that should work
[21:03] <jb__> when i enter kdesudo i get back command not found
[21:04] <jb__> there is a bug
[21:05] <jb__> gnomefreak: in console i have created a folder named alsa in /etc/modutils
[21:05] <gnomefreak> jb__: your on kde3 or 4
[21:05] <jb__> how can i delete it?
[21:05] <jb__> kde4
[21:05] <gnomefreak> jb__: sudo rm -rf /etc/nodutils/foldername    make sure it is right or you can screw up your whole system
[21:07] <jb__> gnomefreak: i need to create a text file in /etc/modutils
[21:07] <jb__> how can i do it in console as kdesudo is not working..
[21:07] <jb__> ?
[21:07] <gnomefreak> jb__: make it in $HOME and use sudo mv filesname /usr/modutils
[21:08]  * gnomefreak cant remember the mkfile command
[21:08] <gnomefreak> i dont think that is it
[21:08] <gnomefreak> its not ;)
[21:09] <gnomefreak> jb__: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[21:09] <gnomefreak> or kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[21:09] <gnomefreak> jb__: if not you need to install kdesudo
[21:10] <gnomefreak> sounds like its not installed and makes me think that you dont have -desktop package installed
[21:10] <jb__> gnomefreak: i think its desktop edition
[21:10] <Dillizar>  i have put my hdd in my new pc! and it doesnt show my  cd drives
[21:10] <gnomefreak> jb__: sudo apt-get install kdesudo
[21:10] <gnomefreak> jb__: it should install
[21:11] <gnomefreak> new hard drive erases cd rom drives?
[21:11] <gnomefreak> why do i think ther eis something else wrong
[21:11] <jirik> Hi, does anybody use Picasa webupload in DigiKam? Does it work? I am trying it to use, but it can not upload any photos.
[21:12] <jb__> gnomefreak: GENIUS!
[21:12] <jb__> IT WAS NOT INSTALLED
[21:12] <ChBrain> hi, i have a problem with my kubuntu hardy + sound.. even though kmixer and alsamixer show the soundcard with volume and not muted i can not hear anything... under windows i hear perfectly well sound
[21:12] <gnomefreak> jb__: you are missing a -desktop package
[21:13] <vezer> .info
[21:13] <jb__> gnomefreak: thank you!!
[21:13] <jb__> it's been killing me
[21:13] <Dillizar>  i have put my hdd in my new pc! and it doesnt show my  cd drives
[21:13] <gnomefreak> jb__: np i just said thanks to the person who helped me for you
[21:14] <jb__> is kde4 ok?
[21:14] <gnomefreak> jb__: its ok
[21:14] <gnomefreak> define ok
[21:14] <gnomefreak> it works
[21:14] <__Ping__> I'm not exactly a big fan myself
[21:14] <gnomefreak> sort of
[21:14] <jb__> not buggy
[21:14] <__Ping__> I don't feel like it's "there" yet.
[21:14] <gnomefreak> jb__: every package has bugs no matter who makes it or codes it
[21:15] <gnomefreak> ther eis no way to code something without bugs all the time every time
[21:15] <slobad23> does kubuntu come with a wubi.exe like ubuntu?
[21:15] <gnomefreak> kde4 has bugs as well as kde3 does
[21:16] <genii> I'd even venture to say more bugs
[21:16] <gnomefreak> slobad23: good question but sorry i have to get dinner before i continue to build anymore
[21:16] <jb__> this last edition of kubuntu is strange
[21:16] <gnomefreak> genii: it does
[21:16] <__Ping__> genii: well yes, but that's mostly because it's new.
[21:16] <jb__> no amarok
[21:16] <jb__> no gparted during install
[21:16] <gnomefreak> jb__: install it
[21:16] <jb__> no konversation
[21:16] <jb__> i know but...
[21:16] <gnomefreak> jb__: gparted has never been on kubuntu disk
[21:16] <gnomefreak> jb__: they use qtparted or parted
[21:16]  * gnomefreak goes now
[21:16] <jb__> may be it's because i mistakenly downloaded the server edition
[21:17] <jb__> i dont know what they use
[21:17] <jb__> but i had to edit my partitions in konsole
[21:17] <jb__> and as i am not a big linux connaisseur
[21:17] <jb__> it was quite a challange for me
[21:17] <__Ping__> oh that's annoying. My fresh Kubuntu install doesn't automount my NTFS drives.
[21:17] <__Ping__> Is there some way to set that up?
[21:18] <gnomefreak> !ntfs
[21:18] <gnomefreak> ok really gone
[21:18] <__Ping__> thanks
[21:18] <gnomefreak> away is now up
[21:20] <kaido> kuidas seda irci kasutada? aru ma ei või...
[21:21]  * seb_ learn irc
[21:21] <Assurbanipal> hey guys, i have trouble installing oxygen openoffice.org
[21:21] <Assurbanipal> can someone help plz?
[21:22] <jb__> gnomefreak: thank and good bye
[21:25] <slobad23> other than desktop environment - is there any significant difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[21:26] <Assurbanipal> no, as far as i know
[21:26] <__Ping__> hey, the link I was given seems to be both outdated and GNOME-related
[21:26] <slobad23> ok - so next big question - should i be using kde 4 or 3.5?
[21:26] <__Ping__> is there a newer/KDE/better way to automount NTFS drives?
[21:27] <Assurbanipal> 4.1 when it  is ready
[21:27] <Assurbanipal> just wait for it
[21:27] <Assurbanipal> :)
[21:28] <genii> kaido: inglise siia    ei eesti kubuntu asukoha
[21:29] <luca_b> slobad23: You should read on KDE 4.1 beforehand though, some things require a little adjustment of working habits
[21:29] <slobad23> adjustment of working habits?? :-s
[21:30] <luca_b> slobad23: well, just that the desktop is slightly more interactive than usual, so some things are done in a slightly different manner
[21:38] <Joelito> hi all, I got a few questions:
[21:38] <Joelito> 1) in gnome there's gnome-mount and gnome-volume-manager, what's in kde?
[21:38] <genii> Ask away
[21:40] <genii> Disks and filesystems in System Settings
[21:40] <Joelito> 2) agave is for choosing color schemes, but in gnome desktop, any alternative for kde?
[21:42] <genii> System Settings ...Appearance
[21:42] <beata> Am having problems with 3D framerates, kubuntu 8.04.1 and xorg radeon driver. Log at http://dalhagen.net/public/Xorg.aiglx.log and conf at http://dalhagen.net/public/xorg.aiglx.conf .. As far as I can tell, everything's set correctly.
[21:44] <beata> But I'm getting under 1fps with armagetronad.
[21:45] <Joelito> thanks genni
[21:47] <HighHo> beata: if you run glxinfo does it state direct rendering as enabled?
[21:47] <beata> Yes it does. Helpful to post that output too?
[21:48] <HighHo> beata: Probably not really as long as direct rendering is enabeld.
[21:49] <beata> GLX vendor string is 'SGI'.
[21:50] <gata_> #kubuntu es
[21:50] <genii> gata_:  /j #kubuntu-es
[21:50] <gata_> #kubuntues
[21:51] <HighHo> beata: I think thats correct for the radeon driver
[21:51] <gata_> gracias
[21:51] <__Ping__> augh
[21:51] <__Ping__> I've set GTK apps to use a specific theme,
[21:51] <__Ping__> (in KDE)
[21:52] <beata> That's what the howto (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver) says.
[21:52] <__Ping__> but they don't!
[21:52] <genii> gata_:  Usted es agradable
[21:52] <__Ping__> any good way to fix this?
[21:52] <HighHo> beata: if you disable Composite does it react any difftrent?
[21:53] <beata> I don't believe it does, unless Composite is enabled by default; I didn't have that specified the first time around.
[21:54] <HighHo> beata: Im sure someone else might be able to assist you further with using the radeon driver if you can wait. All I can recommend if you want perforamce is using the properiaty driver.
[21:55] <beata> I don't get good visual performance with ATI's driver; fonts get all blurred.
[21:56] <shaba1> does anyone know how I get a connection to a standalone network print server
[21:56] <shaba1> I can connect to the admin pages using the url
[21:56] <shaba1> but cannot print
[21:57] <HighHo> beata: Try joining #radeon you should get better support for the driver in there.
[21:57] <beata> I didn't realise that channel existed. am on #xorg but they're dead quiet.
[21:59] <__Ping__> so
[21:59] <__Ping__> anyone got help for a dude that wants a unified desktop aesthetic?
[22:00] <__Ping__> (eg GTK apps don't look buttugly in KDE?)
[22:00] <ChickenBrain> hi, i have a weird problem with kubuntu hardy kde4: my soundcard is recognized, shown in kmix and alsamixer (dev files are there) but i do not hear any sound.. not over headphones nor over speakers.. can anyone give me a hint
[22:00] <beata> Heh! Especially when you have the menu bar on the desktop (MacOS-like)
[22:01] <jaakkome> Uhh... how can I send a right click to the web page I'm viewing in Konqueror?
[22:01] <genii> __Ping__: Perhaps gtk-qt-engine
[22:02] <__Ping__> genii: I'll give it a shot, thanks
[22:02] <genii> __Ping__: np
[22:02] <genii> ChickenBrain: What does:  lspci | grep Audio                   report as the cound card make?
[22:02] <genii> *sound
[22:04] <genii> __Ping__: If kde4 then maybe gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[22:06] <__Ping__> genii: thanks, but I'm not quite aboard the KDE4 boat yet.
[22:06] <__Ping__> genii: Still waiting on Adept to finish with some other stuff...
[22:14]  * genii sips his coffee
[22:23] <__Ping__> wow, okay,
[22:23] <__Ping__> I closed my Adept window while it was installing, and I can't reopen it properly
[22:24] <__Ping__> (and it's still installing)
[22:29] <jaakkome> I still can't figure out how to use right click in konqueror... does anybody use it?
[22:29] <Guest83791> hi
[22:29] <drbobb> jaakkome: huh?
[22:30] <makedon> one greek user plz pm !!!
[22:30] <jaakkome> I can't send a right click to the web page I'
[22:30] <jaakkome> m browsing
[22:30] <jaakkome> it just opens up a right-click menu with commands like previous, reload, bookmark etc
[22:31] <drbobb> jaakkome: and what did you expect?
[22:31] <jaakkome> it to send a right click to the web page I'm viewing
[22:31] <drbobb> ah, you mean a DOM event?
[22:31] <__Ping__> jaakkome: could be a javascript problem
[22:32] <jaakkome> hmm
[22:32] <makedon> one Greek user plz pm (prive)
[22:33] <jaakkome> I think it worked as I expected with firefox using the same java thingies
[22:33] <__Ping__> ah
[22:33] <__Ping__> hmm
[22:33] <__Ping__> You might wanna check to see if Javascript is enabled within Konqueror
[22:33] <jaakkome> I think I'll reinstall firefox though
[22:33] <__Ping__> (I don't use Konqueror, so I'm not sure how to check, sorry.)
[22:33] <jaakkome> it is - the applet I'm trying to use works otherwise fine
[22:35] <__Ping__> Oh. Weird. (I do recommend a Firefox reinstall though.)
[22:35] <__Ping__> I don't know much about Konqueror, 'cept that I couldn't ever figure half of it out.
[22:37] <jaakkome> well, I installed firefox and the page works fine
[22:38] <ChickenBrain> genii, sorry for not replying earlier... my kids rampaged: 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[22:40] <ChickenBrain> should be a snd_hda_intel, shouldn't it?
[22:44] <genii> ChickenBrain: Yes. You might want to try the !intelhda alsa compile
[22:45] <ChickenBrain> ok, now you lost me genii
[22:45] <ChickenBrain> shall itype that here in the chat?
[22:47] <ChickenBrain> !intelhda alsa compile
[22:55] <Tann> hello
[22:56] <Tann> A live boot off of the CD that is having errors about being unable to read a block would be a problem with the CD correct?
[22:57] <Githzerai> Tann: most likely
[22:57] <genii> back
[22:57] <genii> !intelhda | ChickenBrain
[23:01] <Dasuraga> My sound card isn't working at all
[23:02] <Dasuraga> And I can't restart the sound system
[23:07] <beata> Oh.. I would really like it if K apps run under sudo would use my preferences (font size, specifically) instead of the system defaults (which seem to use Flyspeck 3)
[23:07] <__Ping__> temporary fix:
[23:07] <__Ping__> kdesu kcontrol
[23:07] <__Ping__> and set your look and feel preferences in there.
[23:09] <genii> beata: You might want to read http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo about why not to use sudo to run graphical applications
[23:09] <beata> Hmm. So then how do you run the X server configuration tool?
[23:10] <genii> kdesu
[23:10] <evan__> how do i delete a symlink?
[23:11] <genii> Although if what you mean is the "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" thats not a graphical app. It's a commandline app to configure the graphical system
[23:11] <genii> evan__: The same as you delete a regular file
[23:11] <beata> That uses root's settings, according to that site. And no, I meant through the KDE control center.
[23:11] <__Ping__> beata: kdesu kcontrol
[23:12] <evan__> genii:
[23:12] <evan__> evan@edlap:/cdrom$ sudo rm 00000001.TMP
[23:12] <evan__> rm: cannot remove `00000001.TMP': Read-only file system
[23:12] <dr_Willis> trying to delete a file from a cdrom?
[23:13] <evan__> ohh wait maybe wrong map
[23:13] <beata> Yes, but that doesn't use my font settings.
[23:13] <__Ping__> beata: so you just configure it the same as your font settings.
[23:14] <evan__> dr_Willis: no its a ln -s on  the cdrom map
[23:14] <__Ping__> beata: or you could break out the symlinks and go to town, but that's only ever given me trouble.
[23:15] <beata> Yeah. Uh.. you realise there are multiple values of 'your' on many systems?
[23:15] <__Ping__> ...
[23:15] <__Ping__> right.
[23:15] <__Ping__> hmmmm.....
[23:16] <__Ping__> If I had amazing Unix-fu, I'd recommend something involving symlinks in the root user's .kde directory and the ~/.kde shortcut
[23:16] <__Ping__> but
[23:16] <__Ping__> I'm not sure how to accomplish that.
[23:17] <beata> And is that saying that kdesu does *not* use the sudo mechanism? I was given to understand that it did.
[23:19] <__Ping__> oh, that's interesting. Evidently using "sudo" makes use of YOUR config file, while using a graphical sudo (gksudo, kdesu)
[23:19] <__Ping__> uses the root config file.
[23:19] <__Ping__> so, just the opposite! You would _want_ to use sudo in your situation.
[23:20] <__Ping__> And now, I must be off.
[23:21] <Tinason> hello. about 50% of the time, this problem occurs. when i have an incoming message, the tray icon dances about, as soon as i click on the tray icon, to view the message, kde crashes, and i am dumped out  to the login screen of kde. I never see the message, and I never know who even sent the message. im running kubuntu 8.04, and i use nvidia drivers (which were recently updated via repositories). M
[23:21] <Tinason> y kopete version is 0.12.7. This problem only occurs with kopete. has anyone heard of this bug before? (or better yet, knows a solution)
[23:42] <guillermo> hola
[23:42] <guillermo> como estan
[23:42] <jake_> i used compiz --replace in kubuntu and now my windows have gone all wrong
[23:42] <guillermo> acabo de instalar kubuntu que programa me recomiendan para ver mis videos
[23:42] <jake_> how can i reverse compiz --replace?
[23:46] <genii> jake_: kwin --replace
[23:53] <mefistofele> am I doing something wrong or is nspluginviewer just really terrible
[23:55] <Tinason> is there an alternative program to using kopete?
[23:55] <drbobb> nspluginviewer does crash a lot in my experience
[23:56] <genii> Tinason: pidgin
[23:58] <Tinason> pidgin comes accross as being written for aol users. :(