[00:56] <ryanpg> so... now that the newest intel driver is installed... seems like some interesting things are going on
[00:56] <ryanpg> I'm seeing some interesting visual effects when doing VT switches
[00:57] <ryanpg> definitely a step in the right direction
[07:46] <teethdood> I'm having probs with dpkg. http://paste.ubuntu.com/26145/  anyone can help?
[07:47] <RAOF> Heh.  You've installed Debian's 2.6.25 kernel at some point?
[07:48] <teethdood> yeah
[07:49] <teethdood> looks like I'll have to create a fake initrd.img file then let it run through
[07:49] <RAOF> Yeah, that'd work.
[07:52] <teethdood> I ran "update-initramfs -k 2.6.25-custom -d -v" the darn thing says "not created by this utility". hmm it doesn't like my fake file
[07:53] <RAOF> One of the options is "take over this initramfs"
[07:56] <teethdood> I added the -t flag (take over this initramfs). same error
[08:00] <RAOF> Eh.  Reinstall the kernel?
[08:02] <teethdood> reinstall 2.6.25? I'd have to install some packages to build that kernel, but dpkg prevents me from doing so :)
[08:02] <RAOF> Whoops.
[08:07] <teethdood> RAOF: anything else I can try?
[08:07] <RAOF> Manual deletion?
[08:08] <RAOF> Alternatively; why is initramfs-tools trying to generaty /boot/initrd.img-2.6.25?
[08:08] <teethdood> I have no clue. I compiled 2.6.25, removed it awhile ago. Everything was peachy until now
[08:09] <RAOF> Is there a /boot/initrd.img-2.6.25?
[08:10] <teethdood> no. it complains that there is no /boot/initrg.img-2.6.25    http://paste.ubuntu.com/26145/
[08:10] <coder2000> anyone know if the kernel panic for 2.6.26 on virtual machines has been fixed?
[08:11] <teethdood> so I created a fake one, but then it says it didn't create it so it couldn't delete it
[08:11] <RAOF> Hm.  Dunno.
[08:12] <teethdood> heh I'm gonna cp 2.6.24-19 to 2.6.25 see what happens
[08:12] <RAOF> It's still going to try to update it, and fail.
[08:13] <RAOF> This is my guess :).  Do you have 2.6.25 in grub, perchance?
[08:13] <teethdood> no I don't
[08:15] <RAOF> Hm.
[08:15] <RAOF> Still, dunno.
[08:16] <teethdood> sudo update-initramfs -k 2.6.25-custom -d -vCannot delete version 2.6.25-custom: Not created by this utility.
[08:23] <teethdood> heh I copied initrd.img-2.6.24-19 over to 2.6.25, then I also had to cp /lib/modules/2.6.24-19 over too for initramfs to run
[08:24] <teethdood> everything is peachy now
[08:49] <BUGabundo> hi guys.
[08:49] <BUGabundo> I'm getting: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg_1%3a7.4~0ubuntu1_amd64.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[09:01] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: yes.  there's a fire somewhere in the world too.  why don't you put it out?
[09:02] <Hobbsee> (both are giving about the same levels of information)
[09:03] <BUGabundo> sorry Hobbsee
[09:03] <BUGabundo> I'm discussing this right now on #ubuntu-x
[09:03] <BUGabundo> trying to get the full log on pastbin
[09:04] <Hobbsee> ah, okay.  may as well get them to solve it
[09:04] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26159/
[09:11] <mrtimdog> I've got red and white striped console on boot. I've tried dpkg-reconfigure console-setup with various font options but no luck. Any clues as to why this is happening? I can still SSH in to adjust things.
[09:11] <BUGabundo> lol
[09:12] <BUGabundo> me too mrtimdog
[09:12] <BUGabundo> looks like a xtmas tree
[09:12] <BUGabundo> eheh
[09:12] <mrtimdog> That'll be the one :)
[09:15] <Bernardo> hi
[09:17] <Bernardo> on kde4/intrepid, after updating from kde4.1-ppa/hardy, the minimized applications icons are not visible.
[09:18] <Bernardo> I only have white boxes or the panel icon repeated
[09:18] <Bernardo> any idea on which package is broken/not updated?
[10:18] <vhaarr> hey, with the latest xorg updates, gnome-panel and nautilus seems to segfault on startup in libgdk-x11.so or somesuch - anyone know if there's a way to get it working?
[10:29] <vhaarr> Or if not, maybe someone could help me downgrade all the xorg packages, if I had a X up it wouldn't be a problem, but I have trouble doing it all from the tty.
[10:42] <Unksi> vhaarr: xorg is broken atm (topic)
[10:43] <vhaarr> Unksi: ah, darn, thought I read the whole topic before I queried, guess I missed it since I never really used irssi before.
[10:43] <vhaarr> in any case that doesn't really help much.
[10:43] <vhaarr> so, can I downgrade then?
[10:44] <Bernardo> I am guessing the xorg problems are why I don't have application icons in the kde4 system tray applet
[10:44] <vhaarr> the problem I've had with downgrading before is that I have to visit the FTP and manually download all the old deb files.
[10:44] <Unksi> no idea, perhaps if the repos still have old packages or you still have them cached
[10:44] <vhaarr> yeah
[10:44] <Unksi> i think there might be a way to force apt to use a certain version, but dont know how
[10:45] <Unksi> i remember seeing such option at synaptic
[10:45] <vhaarr> indeed, but I don't have access to synaptic at the moment, only the terminal
[10:45] <vhaarr> I have some old packages cached it seems
[10:45] <vhaarr> I'll go try to downgrade
[10:45] <Unksi> yea
[10:46] <Unksi> thats a good idea, hope it works
[10:51] <vhaarr> yep that worked, X started now, I just have to downgrade all the input drivers as well
[10:51] <vhaarr> hang on
[10:55] <vhaarr> Unksi: works fine indeed
[10:56] <vhaarr> thanks for the help so far, I'll quit irssi and hop into X again :)
[11:07] <molgrum> how would i migrate to nouveau instead of nv please? :)
[11:07] <molgrum> i read that it's better
[12:27] <gnomefreak> molgrum: you cant yet. You would need the launchpad PPA for the person that has it built but at this time doesnt matter X is broken so you wouldnt beable to install it successfully even if it was in repos
[13:09] <RAOF> gnomefreak: Actually, X is fixed.  At least, it is for me ;)
[13:10] <RAOF> Heh.  'night, Hobbsee :)
[13:10] <Hobbsee> :)
[13:16] <BUGabundo_work> is something wrong with nvidia-settings in Ibex 64bits?
[13:17] <BUGabundo_work> both darkstar.ist.pt and MAIN give an error while downloading
[15:09] <ph8> did i hear the intrepid alpha is out?
[15:11] <ikonia> I can't see it
[15:11] <BUGabundo_work> alpha 1 is
[15:11] <ikonia> is it / where ?
[15:11] <BUGabundo_work> alpha is expected by the end of tommorow or Friday
[15:12] <ikonia> ok, so not yet
[15:12] <BUGabundo_work> @bugabundo: lol forgot to change type=casper to type=fedora lol. reboot
[15:12] <BUGabundo_work> sorry
[15:12] <BUGabundo_work> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/
[15:12] <BUGabundo_work> here it is
[15:13] <ph8> i just installed a kvm copy, bugs all over the place
[15:14] <ph8> gonna report a few
[15:14] <coder2000> I can't get intrepid to run in virtualbox with 2.6.26
[15:14] <coder2000> I get a kernel panic
[15:15] <ph8> is it the BUG: soft lockup one?
[15:15] <coder2000> I don't know.  link?
[15:15] <ph8> it's not a bug yet, i'm just typing it up
[15:16] <coder2000> BUG: unable to handle kernel
[15:16] <ph8> lol
[15:18] <BUGabundo_work> yeah... my intrepid is a bit shaky too
[15:18] <BUGabundo_work> just tried fedora 9, and intrepid daily on inetboot, and both failed to an initram... don't know what's wrong
[15:18] <BUGabundo_work> last week I could boot it...
[15:20] <ph8> i might install hardy and try an upgrade over
[15:20] <coder2000> thats what I did in virtualbox.  I don't have a machine to run it on otherwise.
[15:20] <BUGabundo_work> naaa
[15:21] <BUGabundo_work> I can't go back
[15:21] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[15:21] <Festor> alpha 2 when?
[15:21] <BUGabundo_work> tomorrow or Friday, Festor
[15:21] <BUGabundo_work> see the shedule
[15:21] <Festor> ok, thanks
[15:21] <BUGabundo_work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[15:21] <BUGabundo_work>  July 10th              Alpha 2
[16:02] <hyperair_> will alpha 2 have nvidia working?
[16:06] <BUGabundo_work> hyperair_: I just got a notification of an update
[16:06] <BUGabundo_work> just instaled it... need to reboot to check if it works
[16:09] <hyperair_> seroiusly?
[16:09] <hyperair_> woo
[16:09] <hyperair_> then i can get back to ubuntu
[16:09] <hyperair_> ditch archlinux heheh
[16:11] <BUGabundo_work> hyperair_: why aren't you on ubuntu?
[16:16] <jonpackard> ﻿coder2000: Reboot your virtualbox guest a few times.. the error should only happen occasionally
[16:22] <jonpackard> ﻿coder2000: also, make sure to stick with kernel 2.6.26.2.. see bug 246067
[16:36] <yuriy> anyone able to install nvidia-glx-new on Intrepid?
[16:56] <hyperair_> BUGabundo_work: that's because i refuse to use a compiz-fusion-less system
[17:02] <BUGabundo_work> lolol hyperair_
[17:40] <LSD|Ninja> So I take it all the drivers previously packages by linux-restricted-modules are being repackaged, not just nVidia? Will this mess be sorted out by Alpha 2?
[17:41]  * LSD|Ninja just blacklisted ath5k thinking he could put madwifi in its place easily enough
[17:47] <Unksi> LSD|Ninja: its going to get released tomorrow, i wouldnt build any expectations for that
[17:49] <gnomefreak> RAOF: all X packages have been released?
[17:50] <gnomefreak> they have been built already and in PPA's but will be released to archives today or tomorrow (last i heard as of early this morning
[17:52] <gnomefreak> RAOF: they are still held back on the gb archives
[17:53] <gnomefreak> nvidia is still not letting X upgrade im guessing same for other non-free drivers
[17:54] <LSD|Ninja> I'm upgrading now and there aren't any holds this time...
[17:57] <LSD|Ninja> why doesn't the quick search option in Synaptic work btw?
[18:01] <linux__1> hiya ppl is anyone else having problem with wireless i just update and cant get connection back
[18:02] <LSD|Ninja> I've been having wireless tgrouble but it's Intrepid in general, not anything recent
[18:05] <gnomefreak> LSD|Ninja: i can upgrade but it will remove nvidia-glx-new xserver-xorg-video-cyrix xserver-xorg-video-imstt xserver-xorg-video-newport xserver-xorg-video-via
[18:05] <gnomefreak> that makes X useless
[18:05] <linux__1> oh i had no problem until today :-( , look like i will just have to wait
[18:05] <LSD|Ninja> My wireless problems are due to Intrepid forcing ath5k on me and not giving me the option to use madwifi instead >_<
[18:08] <gnomefreak> IIRC madwifi was removed or will be removed
[18:08] <gnomefreak> there is a bug asking to remove it
[18:08] <gnomefreak> oh wait i have someone that knows ;)
[18:08] <LSD|Ninja> typical
[18:09] <LSD|Ninja> It doesn't matter the free driver is a steaming pile the fact it's free means it's OK to remove the non-free one
[18:09] <gnomefreak> im asking atm
[18:09] <gnomefreak> once i check email it should be in there but im kind of tied up with dapper atm
[18:11] <gnomefreak> lol he doesnt know what the outcome of it was but he remembers the topic
[18:15] <jbroome> i have some awesome time speedup with the latest ibex in a KVM.
[18:15] <jbroome> if this keeps up i'll have ubuntu+3 in about an hour
[18:25] <linux1> right wireless problem was caused by the 2.6.26-3 kernel
[18:27]  * gnomefreak wouldnt blame the whole kernel for one module
[18:27] <gnomefreak> or even a package outside the kernel
[18:31] <BUGabundo> hi there
[18:31] <BUGabundo> I seem to have lost the scroll on my touch pad with todays update
[18:31] <BUGabundo> is there a bug for it_
[18:31] <gnomefreak> todays update isnt much to go on
[18:32] <BUGabundo> ohh and I lost my keyb conf....
[18:32] <BUGabundo> hummm
[18:32] <BUGabundo> X11 updates suck
[18:32] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: its not fully done yet thats why if you cant deal with breakage or cant fix it not a good diea to use it
[18:32] <gnomefreak> X is only the first in a series of breakage to come
[18:33] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:33] <BUGabundo> can't wait for it
[18:33] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:33] <gnomefreak> give us a few days we can have your intrepid box fail to load ;)
[18:33] <BUGabundo> I can't set PT keyb
[18:33] <hyperair> hello. does nvidia work yet in intrepid?
[18:33] <BUGabundo> the window just closes when I choose it
[18:33] <gnomefreak> hyperair: no
[18:33] <BUGabundo> hyperair: yes
[18:33] <hyperair> =(
[18:33] <BUGabundo> it installs
[18:33] <hyperair> what?
[18:33] <BUGabundo> but no 3D accel
[18:33] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: it doesnt work
[18:33] <hyperair> lol
[18:33] <gnomefreak> i have 3d
[18:33] <BUGabundo> I have it installed
[18:33] <BUGabundo> just rebooted
[18:33] <gnomefreak> with nvidia but i did that weeks ago
[18:33] <hyperair> in other words it doesn't work
[18:34] <BUGabundo> and am using it
[18:34] <gnomefreak> nvidia is failing to update
[18:34] <LSD|Ninja> OK, that was interesting. Intrepid is either trying to give me a seizure or subliminally download an order to kill Steve Ballmer...
[18:34] <BUGabundo> not to me
[18:34] <hyperair> nvidia-glx right?
[18:34] <BUGabundo> nVidia 8400 am G
[18:34] <BUGabundo> 173
[18:34] <hyperair> i'm using an old one
[18:34] <hyperair> requires nvidia-glx
[18:34] <hyperair> notice the kernel version there
[18:34] <hyperair> what's yours
[18:34] <hyperair> nvidia-glx's is 2.6.24*
[18:35] <gnomefreak> LSD|Ninja: i can upgrade but it will remove nvidia-glx-new xserver-xorg-video-cyrix xserver-xorg-video-imstt xserver-xorg-video-newport xserver-xorg-video-via
[18:35] <hyperair> so no go.
[18:35] <gnomefreak> opps sorry LSD|Ninja
[18:35] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.26-3-generic #1 SMP Wed Jul 2 21:54:36 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:35] <gnomefreak> hyperair: read above
[18:35] <seisen> anybody get a white screen after it loads up in the Ubuntu after logging in?
[18:35] <hyperair> gnomefreak what bout nvidia-glx
[18:35] <gnomefreak> hint if it removes a package and doesnt replace it it is broken
[18:35] <hyperair> ah.
[18:35] <hyperair> yes i see it
[18:36] <hyperair> in the dist-upgrade output
[18:36] <gnomefreak> hyperair: give me a minte
[18:36] <BUGabundo> wait for tomorrow
[18:36] <BUGabundo> it should all be build by then
[18:36] <hyperair> for some reason, my nvidia-glx is one version above the nvidia-glx in the repo
[18:36] <hyperair> strange
[18:36] <BUGabundo> no that much
[18:36] <BUGabundo> you might have instaled manually
[18:36] <hyperair> BUGabundo: are you saying that the source packages for nvidia-glx in 2.6.26 are ready?
[18:36] <BUGabundo> or used a PPA
[18:36] <gnomefreak> this is broken http://pastebin.mozilla.org/482152
[18:36] <BUGabundo> don't know
[18:37] <BUGabundo> but I have it installed
[18:37] <hyperair> BUGabundo: no, strange because i didn't get it from a ppa. it came from hardy's repo.
[18:37] <BUGabundo> come throuth jokey
[18:37] <gnomefreak> nvidia-glx isnt the name of the packages it will be nvidia-glx-77 ect...
[18:37] <hyperair> eh?
[18:37] <LSD|Ninja> I'm refraining from touching any of the restricted modules until I know exactly what is going on with them, heh
[18:37] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: i have it installed because i did it before the X changes
[18:37] <hyperair> so it'll be nvidia-glx-96?
[18:37] <gnomefreak> hyperair: and so on yes
[18:37] <BUGabundo> nvidia-173-kernel-source
[18:38] <gnomefreak> there are 4 packages for nvidia-glx-* and thier own r-m packages
[18:38] <gnomefreak> envy may use nvidia-glx but i dont remember
[18:38] <BUGabundo> nvidia-glx ver> 1>96.43.05.
[18:38] <hyperair> i'm using tw.archive.ubuntu.com. guess they're a bit slow
[18:38] <BUGabundo> I have main
[18:38] <BUGabundo> and lrm ppa
[18:39] <hyperair> lrm ppa?
[18:39] <hyperair> what ppa is that?
[18:39] <BUGabundo> the one bryce mention in his email
[18:39] <gnomefreak> here everyone not sure https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-July/025738.html
[18:39] <gnomefreak> read that
[18:39] <gnomefreak> hyperair: https://launchpad.net/~lrm-intrepid/+archive
[18:40] <BUGabundo> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu intrepid main restricted universe multiverse
[18:40] <BUGabundo> #deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/timg-tpi/ubuntu hardy main restricted universe multiverse
[18:40] <BUGabundo> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lrm-intrepid/ubuntu intrepid main
[18:40] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: fta doesnt have them
[18:40] <BUGabundo> I kwno
[18:40] <BUGabundo> I just did a tail on my sources
[18:40] <BUGabundo> with the keyb set to USA
[18:40] <BUGabundo> things tend to take longer to do..
[18:40] <BUGabundo> and no scroll on thouchpad...
[18:41] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yours is working because you are using non official sources so please dont say its fixed
[18:41] <BUGabundo> sorry
[18:41] <gnomefreak> yuck i remember why i didnt stick with dapper :(
[18:41] <BUGabundo> I-am using public information mention on the dev ML
[18:42] <BUGabundo> synaptics doesn't tell me from where it came
[18:42] <hyperair> gnomefreak: why?
[18:42] <hyperair> you mean synaptic
[18:42] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: mine aint 100%
[18:42] <BUGabundo> no 3D accell yet
[18:42] <gnomefreak> hyperair: X isnt fixed
[18:42] <BUGabundo> can't get compyz to work
[18:42] <hyperair> synaptics is the driver for laptop touchpads i think
[18:42] <hyperair> BUGabundo: if you don't have 3d accel that means nvidia driver isn't working
[18:42] <hyperair> because nvidia driver comes with 3d.
[18:42] <BUGabundo> sorry
[18:42] <BUGabundo> typo
[18:43] <hyperair> you're either using nv or nouveau
[18:43] <BUGabundo> well, jokey shows it...
[18:43] <hyperair> ...yeah that's because all it cares about is the package manager. i think.
[18:43] <BUGabundo> dunno
[18:45] <BUGabundo> so it seems Ill have to wait for X to be fixed
[18:45] <BUGabundo> bah
[18:45] <hyperair> and it's jockey
[18:45] <hyperair> i'll just sit by in archlinux and wait until it's fixed i guess
[18:46] <BUGabundo> eheh
[18:46] <BUGabundo> trying alphas gets us this
[18:47] <hyperair> yeah.
[18:47] <hyperair> when intrepid comes out i think i'll go reinstall ubuntu or something
[18:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:47] <BUGabundo> I-ll have to reinstall with alpha2
[18:47] <BUGabundo> I didn't do a proper dist/upgrade from hardy
[18:47] <BUGabundo> and I still don't have my WiFi intel abgn 4965 working
[18:48] <BUGabundo> lots of ppl have their fixed....
[18:48] <BUGabundo> in my bug report, a commenter mention that it might be the scripts
[18:48] <BUGabundo> and not the kernel...
[18:48] <hyperair> hmm is it possible to connect to a wireless n network from ubuntu?
[18:48] <hyperair> i know b and g are possible
[18:48] <hyperair> but i'm not sure about a and n
[18:49] <DanaG> Odd.. NetworkManager can't do vlans.
[18:49] <hyperair> what's odd about that
[18:50] <DanaG> I mean, I make the vlan interfaces manually with vcontrol, but networkmanager doesn't see them as NICs.
[18:50] <DanaG> s/NIC/interface/
[18:50] <hyperair> well. i don't see networkmanager seeing tun/tap interfaces either so no big deal
[18:51] <DanaG> Having it see tap interfaces was bad when I tried it last.
[18:51] <hyperair> what>
[18:51] <hyperair> it isn't supposed to see them
[18:51] <DanaG> There was one package version that did, during Gutsy or Hardy development.
[18:58] <laughtear> hey buddies,i want to try intrepid ibex, should i or not?
[18:59] <jbroome> no
[18:59] <Unksi> laughtear: if you need to ask that question, no
[18:59] <jbroome> not on your main machine
[18:59] <laughtear> Unksi ok
[18:59] <Unksi> expect severe problems and breakages with it
[18:59] <laughtear> jbroome: why not on my machine? :)
[18:59] <laughtear> ok
[19:00] <laughtear> i have an amd64 3000 and nvidia chipset mainboard, and 2 hdd's and nvidia 6600gt graphic card.... i really wonder about it a lot especially after seeing the screenshots..
[19:02] <laughtear> now, someone please tell me which one fits best for now (or the least bad..:))
[19:03] <jbroome> uh, what?
[19:04] <laughtear> you've heard.. (read)
[19:05] <jbroome> run hardy 32bit until october
[19:05]  * linux1 is confused
[19:06] <laughtear> jbroome: i now using hardy 64 with almost no problem...
[19:07] <laughtear> sorry for my english...:D
[19:20] <Pici> laughtear: Ibex is not stable and will not be stable until close to release. Unless you are ready to fix any issues that you come accross and log the appropriate bugs, I cannot reccomend that you run it
[19:21] <laughtear> Pici: ok, thank you very much..:)
[19:38] <shirish> hi all, is anybody having issues with going into GNOME-session?
[19:38] <shirish> for I'm having, can somebody look it up
[19:41] <seisen> I get a white-screen after logging in
[19:41] <seisen> it shows the wallpaper for about 3 seconds
[19:44] <shirish> seisen: welcome to the club ;)
[19:47] <seisen> did you file a bug report shirish?
[19:48] <shirish> seisen: yup, did although don't know if it should have been filed under gnome-session or something else altogether.
[19:48] <seisen> ok
[19:48] <shirish> seisen: bug #247003
[19:49] <shirish> seisen: see if you are having the same issue, if yes, add stuff on top of it.
[19:52] <unstable> Is Intrepid going to have support for doing installs with XFS, and not just ext3?
[20:19] <WelshDragon> Hellooo :) Anyone managed to get nVidia drivers working yet?
[20:21] <DanaG> People on forums have, for the 173.something -- but not for older ones.  =(
[20:22] <G_009> there were a few interesting xserver upgrades today
[20:23] <gnomefreak> WelshDragon: its not ready yet
[20:24] <WelshDragon> Hmmm kk.
[20:24] <gnomefreak> WelshDragon: when X gets fixed fully nvidia will be working. in process of changing names and modules
[20:26] <marijus> any one can tell me how to get compiz working with direct rendering on intel i915???
[20:26] <gnomefreak> marijus: hardy or intrepid
[20:26] <marijus> intrepid
[20:27] <gnomefreak> you may have to wait for that
[20:27] <gnomefreak> marijus: compiz most likely is gonna need to be respun on new X packages
[20:27] <marijus> atm i only get white displays... with a working cube tho
[20:28] <WelshDragon> Is there a score which is considered "safe" when using aptitude full-upgrade? Or do the scores have a more indepth meaning?
[20:28] <gnomefreak> that doesnt change my comment
[20:28] <gnomefreak> WelshDragon: use apt-get upgrade only if you are on hardy and upgrading to intrepid dont
[20:29] <gnomefreak> WelshDragon: using dist-upgrade is gonna break your X
[20:30] <WelshDragon> Ok...But what do the scores actually mean?
[20:30] <gnomefreak> WelshDragon: read what they do with the packages that need to be upgrade
[20:30] <gnomefreak> d
[20:30] <gnomefreak> WelshDragon: that should explain it all
[20:31] <gnomefreak> WelshDragon: first score being the best in most cases
[20:31] <DanaG> I use the aptitude UI.
[20:31] <DanaG> sudo aptitude  (no parameters)
[20:31] <marijus> you mean compiling compiz on new X packages? @gnomefreak
[20:32] <gnomefreak> marijus: yes but since X org went through major changes i would expect a bit more work than just re compiling
[20:32] <gnomefreak> but X is first to be fixed since nothing else works without it in  GUI setting
[20:33] <marijus> gnomefreak: ok i see... thank you!
[20:33] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: what is gonna happen with compiz and X? need respin or changes due to X changes
[20:34]  * gnomefreak knew he wasnt here
[20:34] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: why would it need changes for X?
[20:34] <gnomefreak> damn
[20:34] <WelshDragon> fail, heh
[20:34] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: code changes?
[20:34] <Amaranth> white screen is mesa
[20:34]  * gnomefreak not sure how compiz relies on X packages
[20:34] <Amaranth> just like any other window manager or opengl application
[20:34] <marijus> Amaranth: is there a fix in rc-3
[20:35] <Amaranth> marijus: as far as i know it's just a build issue
[20:35] <gnomefreak> we just had mesa updates a day or 2 ago
[20:35] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[20:35] <Amaranth> I'm on OS X
[20:35] <Amaranth> but i know it's not a compiz problem
[20:35] <marijus> we have rc-1... rc-3 was released 2 days ago
[20:36] <gnomefreak> just before X breakage ;)
[20:36] <gnomefreak> or same time
[20:36] <marijus> i mean mesa
[20:36] <Amaranth> probably need to rebuild drivers against the the new X and mesa
[21:33] <coder2000> it seems X was fixed last night.  Although the kernel update didn't fix the issue in VirtualBox.
[21:35] <linux1> and for me theres a problem with the rtl8187 drivers
[21:37] <coder2000> that sux
[22:08] <gnomefreak> coder2000: problem is all of X isnt fixed, and as for kernel modules you may have to wait until they get l-r-m back to the way they want it
[22:13] <coder2000> its alpha.  I'm not complaining too bad