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ryanpgso... now that the newest intel driver is installed... seems like some interesting things are going on00:56
ryanpgI'm seeing some interesting visual effects when doing VT switches00:56
ryanpgdefinitely a step in the right direction00:57
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teethdoodI'm having probs with dpkg. http://paste.ubuntu.com/26145/  anyone can help?07:46
RAOFHeh.  You've installed Debian's 2.6.25 kernel at some point?07:47
teethdoodyeah07:48
teethdoodlooks like I'll have to create a fake initrd.img file then let it run through07:49
RAOFYeah, that'd work.07:49
teethdoodI ran "update-initramfs -k 2.6.25-custom -d -v" the darn thing says "not created by this utility". hmm it doesn't like my fake file07:52
RAOFOne of the options is "take over this initramfs"07:53
teethdoodI added the -t flag (take over this initramfs). same error07:56
RAOFEh.  Reinstall the kernel?08:00
teethdoodreinstall 2.6.25? I'd have to install some packages to build that kernel, but dpkg prevents me from doing so :)08:02
RAOFWhoops.08:02
teethdoodRAOF: anything else I can try?08:07
RAOFManual deletion?08:07
RAOFAlternatively; why is initramfs-tools trying to generaty /boot/initrd.img-2.6.25?08:08
teethdoodI have no clue. I compiled 2.6.25, removed it awhile ago. Everything was peachy until now08:08
RAOFIs there a /boot/initrd.img-2.6.25?08:09
teethdoodno. it complains that there is no /boot/initrg.img-2.6.25    http://paste.ubuntu.com/26145/08:10
coder2000anyone know if the kernel panic for 2.6.26 on virtual machines has been fixed?08:10
teethdoodso I created a fake one, but then it says it didn't create it so it couldn't delete it08:11
RAOFHm.  Dunno.08:11
teethdoodheh I'm gonna cp 2.6.24-19 to 2.6.25 see what happens08:12
RAOFIt's still going to try to update it, and fail.08:12
RAOFThis is my guess :).  Do you have 2.6.25 in grub, perchance?08:13
teethdoodno I don't08:13
RAOFHm.08:15
RAOFStill, dunno.08:15
teethdoodsudo update-initramfs -k 2.6.25-custom -d -vCannot delete version 2.6.25-custom: Not created by this utility.08:16
teethdoodheh I copied initrd.img-2.6.24-19 over to 2.6.25, then I also had to cp /lib/modules/2.6.24-19 over too for initramfs to run08:23
teethdoodeverything is peachy now08:24
BUGabundohi guys.08:49
BUGabundoI'm getting: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg_1%3a7.4~0ubuntu1_amd64.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 108:49
HobbseeBUGabundo: yes.  there's a fire somewhere in the world too.  why don't you put it out?09:01
Hobbsee(both are giving about the same levels of information)09:02
BUGabundosorry Hobbsee09:03
BUGabundoI'm discussing this right now on #ubuntu-x09:03
BUGabundotrying to get the full log on pastbin09:03
Hobbseeah, okay.  may as well get them to solve it09:04
BUGabundohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/26159/09:04
mrtimdogI've got red and white striped console on boot. I've tried dpkg-reconfigure console-setup with various font options but no luck. Any clues as to why this is happening? I can still SSH in to adjust things.09:11
BUGabundolol09:11
BUGabundome too mrtimdog09:12
BUGabundolooks like a xtmas tree09:12
BUGabundoeheh09:12
mrtimdogThat'll be the one :)09:12
Bernardohi09:15
Bernardoon kde4/intrepid, after updating from kde4.1-ppa/hardy, the minimized applications icons are not visible.09:17
BernardoI only have white boxes or the panel icon repeated09:18
Bernardoany idea on which package is broken/not updated?09:18
vhaarrhey, with the latest xorg updates, gnome-panel and nautilus seems to segfault on startup in libgdk-x11.so or somesuch - anyone know if there's a way to get it working?10:18
vhaarrOr if not, maybe someone could help me downgrade all the xorg packages, if I had a X up it wouldn't be a problem, but I have trouble doing it all from the tty.10:29
Unksivhaarr: xorg is broken atm (topic)10:42
vhaarrUnksi: ah, darn, thought I read the whole topic before I queried, guess I missed it since I never really used irssi before.10:43
vhaarrin any case that doesn't really help much.10:43
vhaarrso, can I downgrade then?10:43
BernardoI am guessing the xorg problems are why I don't have application icons in the kde4 system tray applet10:44
vhaarrthe problem I've had with downgrading before is that I have to visit the FTP and manually download all the old deb files.10:44
Unksino idea, perhaps if the repos still have old packages or you still have them cached10:44
vhaarryeah10:44
Unksii think there might be a way to force apt to use a certain version, but dont know how10:44
Unksii remember seeing such option at synaptic10:45
vhaarrindeed, but I don't have access to synaptic at the moment, only the terminal10:45
vhaarrI have some old packages cached it seems10:45
vhaarrI'll go try to downgrade10:45
Unksiyea10:45
Unksithats a good idea, hope it works10:46
vhaarryep that worked, X started now, I just have to downgrade all the input drivers as well10:51
vhaarrhang on10:51
vhaarrUnksi: works fine indeed10:55
vhaarrthanks for the help so far, I'll quit irssi and hop into X again :)10:56
molgrumhow would i migrate to nouveau instead of nv please? :)11:07
molgrumi read that it's better11:07
gnomefreakmolgrum: you cant yet. You would need the launchpad PPA for the person that has it built but at this time doesnt matter X is broken so you wouldnt beable to install it successfully even if it was in repos12:27
RAOFgnomefreak: Actually, X is fixed.  At least, it is for me ;)13:09
=== Hobbsee changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to the home of the Intrepid Ibex, the code name for the next release of Ubuntu due out in October. For more info, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex | Intrepid is ALPHA software, and we do NOT recommend users upgrade at this time. Only developers comfortable with very significant instability and recovering from systems which have suffered up to total system failure should consider running Intrepid for now
RAOFHeh.  'night, Hobbsee :)13:10
Hobbsee:)13:10
BUGabundo_workis something wrong with nvidia-settings in Ibex 64bits?13:16
BUGabundo_workboth darkstar.ist.pt and MAIN give an error while downloading13:17
ph8did i hear the intrepid alpha is out?15:09
ikoniaI can't see it15:11
BUGabundo_workalpha 1 is15:11
ikoniais it / where ?15:11
BUGabundo_workalpha is expected by the end of tommorow or Friday15:11
ikoniaok, so not yet15:12
BUGabundo_work@bugabundo: lol forgot to change type=casper to type=fedora lol. reboot15:12
BUGabundo_worksorry15:12
BUGabundo_workhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/15:12
BUGabundo_workhere it is15:12
ph8i just installed a kvm copy, bugs all over the place15:13
ph8gonna report a few15:14
coder2000I can't get intrepid to run in virtualbox with 2.6.2615:14
coder2000I get a kernel panic15:14
ph8is it the BUG: soft lockup one?15:15
coder2000I don't know.  link?15:15
ph8it's not a bug yet, i'm just typing it up15:15
coder2000BUG: unable to handle kernel15:16
ph8lol15:16
BUGabundo_workyeah... my intrepid is a bit shaky too15:18
BUGabundo_workjust tried fedora 9, and intrepid daily on inetboot, and both failed to an initram... don't know what's wrong15:18
BUGabundo_worklast week I could boot it...15:18
ph8i might install hardy and try an upgrade over15:20
coder2000thats what I did in virtualbox.  I don't have a machine to run it on otherwise.15:20
BUGabundo_worknaaa15:20
BUGabundo_workI can't go back15:21
BUGabundo_worklol15:21
Festoralpha 2 when?15:21
BUGabundo_worktomorrow or Friday, Festor15:21
BUGabundo_worksee the shedule15:21
Festorok, thanks15:21
BUGabundo_workhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule15:21
BUGabundo_work July 10th              Alpha 215:21
hyperair_will alpha 2 have nvidia working?16:02
BUGabundo_workhyperair_: I just got a notification of an update16:06
BUGabundo_workjust instaled it... need to reboot to check if it works16:06
hyperair_seroiusly?16:09
hyperair_woo16:09
hyperair_then i can get back to ubuntu16:09
hyperair_ditch archlinux heheh16:09
BUGabundo_workhyperair_: why aren't you on ubuntu?16:11
jonpackardcoder2000: Reboot your virtualbox guest a few times.. the error should only happen occasionally16:16
jonpackardcoder2000: also, make sure to stick with kernel 2.6.26.2.. see bug 24606716:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 246067 in linux "Kernel panic during boot after upgrading to kernel 2.6.26.3-generic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24606716:22
yuriyanyone able to install nvidia-glx-new on Intrepid?16:36
hyperair_BUGabundo_work: that's because i refuse to use a compiz-fusion-less system16:56
BUGabundo_worklolol hyperair_17:02
LSD|NinjaSo I take it all the drivers previously packages by linux-restricted-modules are being repackaged, not just nVidia? Will this mess be sorted out by Alpha 2?17:40
* LSD|Ninja just blacklisted ath5k thinking he could put madwifi in its place easily enough17:41
UnksiLSD|Ninja: its going to get released tomorrow, i wouldnt build any expectations for that17:47
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gnomefreakRAOF: all X packages have been released?17:49
gnomefreakthey have been built already and in PPA's but will be released to archives today or tomorrow (last i heard as of early this morning17:50
gnomefreakRAOF: they are still held back on the gb archives17:52
gnomefreaknvidia is still not letting X upgrade im guessing same for other non-free drivers17:53
LSD|NinjaI'm upgrading now and there aren't any holds this time...17:54
LSD|Ninjawhy doesn't the quick search option in Synaptic work btw?17:57
linux__1hiya ppl is anyone else having problem with wireless i just update and cant get connection back18:01
LSD|NinjaI've been having wireless tgrouble but it's Intrepid in general, not anything recent18:02
gnomefreakLSD|Ninja: i can upgrade but it will remove nvidia-glx-new xserver-xorg-video-cyrix xserver-xorg-video-imstt xserver-xorg-video-newport xserver-xorg-video-via18:05
gnomefreakthat makes X useless18:05
linux__1oh i had no problem until today :-( , look like i will just have to wait18:05
LSD|NinjaMy wireless problems are due to Intrepid forcing ath5k on me and not giving me the option to use madwifi instead >_<18:05
gnomefreakIIRC madwifi was removed or will be removed18:08
gnomefreakthere is a bug asking to remove it18:08
gnomefreakoh wait i have someone that knows ;)18:08
LSD|Ninjatypical18:08
LSD|NinjaIt doesn't matter the free driver is a steaming pile the fact it's free means it's OK to remove the non-free one18:09
gnomefreakim asking atm18:09
gnomefreakonce i check email it should be in there but im kind of tied up with dapper atm18:09
gnomefreaklol he doesnt know what the outcome of it was but he remembers the topic18:11
jbroomei have some awesome time speedup with the latest ibex in a KVM.18:15
jbroomeif this keeps up i'll have ubuntu+3 in about an hour18:15
linux1right wireless problem was caused by the 2.6.26-3 kernel18:25
* gnomefreak wouldnt blame the whole kernel for one module18:27
gnomefreakor even a package outside the kernel18:27
BUGabundohi there18:31
BUGabundoI seem to have lost the scroll on my touch pad with todays update18:31
BUGabundois there a bug for it_18:31
gnomefreaktodays update isnt much to go on18:31
BUGabundoohh and I lost my keyb conf....18:32
BUGabundohummm18:32
BUGabundoX11 updates suck18:32
gnomefreakBUGabundo: its not fully done yet thats why if you cant deal with breakage or cant fix it not a good diea to use it18:32
gnomefreakX is only the first in a series of breakage to come18:32
BUGabundolol18:33
BUGabundocan't wait for it18:33
BUGabundolol18:33
gnomefreakgive us a few days we can have your intrepid box fail to load ;)18:33
BUGabundoI can't set PT keyb18:33
hyperairhello. does nvidia work yet in intrepid?18:33
BUGabundothe window just closes when I choose it18:33
gnomefreakhyperair: no18:33
BUGabundohyperair: yes18:33
hyperair=(18:33
BUGabundoit installs18:33
hyperairwhat?18:33
BUGabundobut no 3D accel18:33
gnomefreakBUGabundo: it doesnt work18:33
hyperairlol18:33
gnomefreaki have 3d18:33
BUGabundoI have it installed18:33
BUGabundojust rebooted18:33
gnomefreakwith nvidia but i did that weeks ago18:33
hyperairin other words it doesn't work18:33
BUGabundoand am using it18:34
gnomefreaknvidia is failing to update18:34
LSD|NinjaOK, that was interesting. Intrepid is either trying to give me a seizure or subliminally download an order to kill Steve Ballmer...18:34
BUGabundonot to me18:34
hyperairnvidia-glx right?18:34
BUGabundonVidia 8400 am G18:34
BUGabundo17318:34
hyperairi'm using an old one18:34
hyperairrequires nvidia-glx18:34
hyperairnotice the kernel version there18:34
hyperairwhat's yours18:34
hyperairnvidia-glx's is 2.6.24*18:34
gnomefreakLSD|Ninja: i can upgrade but it will remove nvidia-glx-new xserver-xorg-video-cyrix xserver-xorg-video-imstt xserver-xorg-video-newport xserver-xorg-video-via18:35
hyperairso no go.18:35
gnomefreakopps sorry LSD|Ninja18:35
BUGabundoLinux blubug 2.6.26-3-generic #1 SMP Wed Jul 2 21:54:36 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux18:35
gnomefreakhyperair: read above18:35
seisenanybody get a white screen after it loads up in the Ubuntu after logging in?18:35
hyperairgnomefreak what bout nvidia-glx18:35
gnomefreakhint if it removes a package and doesnt replace it it is broken18:35
hyperairah.18:35
hyperairyes i see it18:35
hyperairin the dist-upgrade output18:36
gnomefreakhyperair: give me a minte18:36
BUGabundowait for tomorrow18:36
BUGabundoit should all be build by then18:36
hyperairfor some reason, my nvidia-glx is one version above the nvidia-glx in the repo18:36
hyperairstrange18:36
BUGabundono that much18:36
BUGabundoyou might have instaled manually18:36
hyperairBUGabundo: are you saying that the source packages for nvidia-glx in 2.6.26 are ready?18:36
BUGabundoor used a PPA18:36
gnomefreakthis is broken http://pastebin.mozilla.org/48215218:36
BUGabundodon't know18:36
BUGabundobut I have it installed18:37
hyperairBUGabundo: no, strange because i didn't get it from a ppa. it came from hardy's repo.18:37
BUGabundocome throuth jokey18:37
gnomefreaknvidia-glx isnt the name of the packages it will be nvidia-glx-77 ect...18:37
hyperaireh?18:37
LSD|NinjaI'm refraining from touching any of the restricted modules until I know exactly what is going on with them, heh18:37
gnomefreakBUGabundo: i have it installed because i did it before the X changes18:37
hyperairso it'll be nvidia-glx-96?18:37
gnomefreakhyperair: and so on yes18:37
BUGabundonvidia-173-kernel-source18:37
gnomefreakthere are 4 packages for nvidia-glx-* and thier own r-m packages18:38
gnomefreakenvy may use nvidia-glx but i dont remember18:38
BUGabundonvidia-glx ver> 1>96.43.05.18:38
hyperairi'm using tw.archive.ubuntu.com. guess they're a bit slow18:38
BUGabundoI have main18:38
BUGabundoand lrm ppa18:38
hyperairlrm ppa?18:39
hyperairwhat ppa is that?18:39
BUGabundothe one bryce mention in his email18:39
gnomefreakhere everyone not sure https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-July/025738.html18:39
gnomefreakread that18:39
gnomefreakhyperair: https://launchpad.net/~lrm-intrepid/+archive18:39
BUGabundodeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu intrepid main restricted universe multiverse18:40
BUGabundo#deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/timg-tpi/ubuntu hardy main restricted universe multiverse18:40
BUGabundodeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lrm-intrepid/ubuntu intrepid main18:40
gnomefreakBUGabundo: fta doesnt have them18:40
BUGabundoI kwno18:40
BUGabundoI just did a tail on my sources18:40
BUGabundowith the keyb set to USA18:40
BUGabundothings tend to take longer to do..18:40
BUGabundoand no scroll on thouchpad...18:40
gnomefreakBUGabundo: yours is working because you are using non official sources so please dont say its fixed18:41
BUGabundosorry18:41
gnomefreakyuck i remember why i didnt stick with dapper :(18:41
BUGabundoI-am using public information mention on the dev ML18:41
BUGabundosynaptics doesn't tell me from where it came18:42
hyperairgnomefreak: why?18:42
hyperairyou mean synaptic18:42
BUGabundognomefreak: mine aint 100%18:42
BUGabundono 3D accell yet18:42
gnomefreakhyperair: X isnt fixed18:42
BUGabundocan't get compyz to work18:42
hyperairsynaptics is the driver for laptop touchpads i think18:42
hyperairBUGabundo: if you don't have 3d accel that means nvidia driver isn't working18:42
hyperairbecause nvidia driver comes with 3d.18:42
BUGabundosorry18:42
BUGabundotypo18:42
hyperairyou're either using nv or nouveau18:43
BUGabundowell, jokey shows it...18:43
hyperair...yeah that's because all it cares about is the package manager. i think.18:43
BUGabundodunno18:43
BUGabundoso it seems Ill have to wait for X to be fixed18:45
BUGabundobah18:45
hyperairand it's jockey18:45
hyperairi'll just sit by in archlinux and wait until it's fixed i guess18:45
BUGabundoeheh18:46
BUGabundotrying alphas gets us this18:46
hyperairyeah.18:47
hyperairwhen intrepid comes out i think i'll go reinstall ubuntu or something18:47
BUGabundolol18:47
BUGabundoI-ll have to reinstall with alpha218:47
BUGabundoI didn't do a proper dist/upgrade from hardy18:47
BUGabundoand I still don't have my WiFi intel abgn 4965 working18:47
BUGabundolots of ppl have their fixed....18:48
BUGabundoin my bug report, a commenter mention that it might be the scripts18:48
BUGabundoand not the kernel...18:48
hyperairhmm is it possible to connect to a wireless n network from ubuntu?18:48
hyperairi know b and g are possible18:48
hyperairbut i'm not sure about a and n18:48
DanaGOdd.. NetworkManager can't do vlans.18:49
hyperairwhat's odd about that18:49
DanaGI mean, I make the vlan interfaces manually with vcontrol, but networkmanager doesn't see them as NICs.18:50
DanaGs/NIC/interface/18:50
hyperairwell. i don't see networkmanager seeing tun/tap interfaces either so no big deal18:50
DanaGHaving it see tap interfaces was bad when I tried it last.18:51
hyperairwhat>18:51
hyperairit isn't supposed to see them18:51
DanaGThere was one package version that did, during Gutsy or Hardy development.18:51
laughtearhey buddies,i want to try intrepid ibex, should i or not?18:58
jbroomeno18:59
Unksilaughtear: if you need to ask that question, no18:59
jbroomenot on your main machine18:59
laughtearUnksi ok18:59
Unksiexpect severe problems and breakages with it18:59
laughtearjbroome: why not on my machine? :)18:59
laughtearok18:59
laughteari have an amd64 3000 and nvidia chipset mainboard, and 2 hdd's and nvidia 6600gt graphic card.... i really wonder about it a lot especially after seeing the screenshots..19:00
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laughtearnow, someone please tell me which one fits best for now (or the least bad..:))19:02
jbroomeuh, what?19:03
laughtearyou've heard.. (read)19:04
jbroomerun hardy 32bit until october19:05
* linux1 is confused19:05
laughtearjbroome: i now using hardy 64 with almost no problem...19:06
laughtearsorry for my english...:D19:07
Picilaughtear: Ibex is not stable and will not be stable until close to release. Unless you are ready to fix any issues that you come accross and log the appropriate bugs, I cannot reccomend that you run it19:20
laughtearPici: ok, thank you very much..:)19:21
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shirishhi all, is anybody having issues with going into GNOME-session?19:38
shirishfor I'm having, can somebody look it up19:38
seisenI get a white-screen after logging in19:41
seisenit shows the wallpaper for about 3 seconds19:41
shirishseisen: welcome to the club ;)19:44
seisendid you file a bug report shirish?19:47
shirishseisen: yup, did although don't know if it should have been filed under gnome-session or something else altogether.19:48
seisenok19:48
shirishseisen: bug #24700319:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 247003 in gnome-session "gnome-session crashed on Intrepid 8.10 alpha 1+" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24700319:48
shirishseisen: see if you are having the same issue, if yes, add stuff on top of it.19:49
unstableIs Intrepid going to have support for doing installs with XFS, and not just ext3?19:52
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WelshDragonHellooo :) Anyone managed to get nVidia drivers working yet?20:19
DanaGPeople on forums have, for the 173.something -- but not for older ones.  =(20:21
G_009there were a few interesting xserver upgrades today20:22
gnomefreakWelshDragon: its not ready yet20:23
WelshDragonHmmm kk.20:24
gnomefreakWelshDragon: when X gets fixed fully nvidia will be working. in process of changing names and modules20:24
marijusany one can tell me how to get compiz working with direct rendering on intel i915???20:26
gnomefreakmarijus: hardy or intrepid20:26
marijusintrepid20:26
gnomefreakyou may have to wait for that20:27
gnomefreakmarijus: compiz most likely is gonna need to be respun on new X packages20:27
marijusatm i only get white displays... with a working cube tho20:27
WelshDragonIs there a score which is considered "safe" when using aptitude full-upgrade? Or do the scores have a more indepth meaning?20:28
gnomefreakthat doesnt change my comment20:28
gnomefreakWelshDragon: use apt-get upgrade only if you are on hardy and upgrading to intrepid dont20:28
gnomefreakWelshDragon: using dist-upgrade is gonna break your X20:29
WelshDragonOk...But what do the scores actually mean?20:30
gnomefreakWelshDragon: read what they do with the packages that need to be upgrade20:30
gnomefreakd20:30
gnomefreakWelshDragon: that should explain it all20:30
gnomefreakWelshDragon: first score being the best in most cases20:31
DanaGI use the aptitude UI.20:31
DanaGsudo aptitude  (no parameters)20:31
marijusyou mean compiling compiz on new X packages? @gnomefreak20:31
gnomefreakmarijus: yes but since X org went through major changes i would expect a bit more work than just re compiling20:32
gnomefreakbut X is first to be fixed since nothing else works without it in  GUI setting20:32
marijusgnomefreak: ok i see... thank you!20:33
gnomefreakAmaranth: what is gonna happen with compiz and X? need respin or changes due to X changes20:33
* gnomefreak knew he wasnt here20:34
Amaranthgnomefreak: why would it need changes for X?20:34
gnomefreakdamn20:34
WelshDragonfail, heh20:34
gnomefreakAmaranth: code changes?20:34
Amaranthwhite screen is mesa20:34
* gnomefreak not sure how compiz relies on X packages20:34
Amaranthjust like any other window manager or opengl application20:34
marijusAmaranth: is there a fix in rc-320:34
Amaranthmarijus: as far as i know it's just a build issue20:35
gnomefreakwe just had mesa updates a day or 2 ago20:35
Amaranth*shrug*20:35
AmaranthI'm on OS X20:35
Amaranthbut i know it's not a compiz problem20:35
marijuswe have rc-1... rc-3 was released 2 days ago20:35
gnomefreakjust before X breakage ;)20:36
gnomefreakor same time20:36
marijusi mean mesa20:36
Amaranthprobably need to rebuild drivers against the the new X and mesa20:36
coder2000it seems X was fixed last night.  Although the kernel update didn't fix the issue in VirtualBox.21:33
linux1and for me theres a problem with the rtl8187 drivers21:35
coder2000that sux21:37
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gnomefreakcoder2000: problem is all of X isnt fixed, and as for kernel modules you may have to wait until they get l-r-m back to the way they want it22:08
coder2000its alpha.  I'm not complaining too bad22:13

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