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some1hello, when i try to watch live tv nothing happens, even though my hauppauge pvr-150 seems to be detected & configured in the backend setup as a mpeg2 card00:20
tgm4883_laptopsome1, please pastebin your /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log file00:23
tgm4883_laptop!pastebin | some100:23
Zinnsome1: Please use paste.ubuntu.com for all configs or multiple line output, pastebin is preferred for large amounts of output as it cuts down on spamming multiple lines.00:23
hadsWhat package is it that creates the structure under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp - mine is empty.00:24
some1tgm4883_laptop: ok http://pastebin.com/f488f181e00:25
tgm4883_laptop2008-07-08 19:14:03.459 TVRec(1) Error: Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'.00:26
tgm4883_laptopseems to be important00:26
tgm4883_laptopdid you go though all the steps of mythtv-setup?00:27
tgm4883_laptop#00:27
tgm4883_laptop2008-07-08 19:14:03.461 ChannelBase(1) Error: InitializeInputs():00:27
tgm4883_laptop#00:27
tgm4883_laptop                        Could not get inputs for the capturecard.00:27
tgm4883_laptop#00:27
tgm4883_laptop                        Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video00:27
tgm4883_laptop#00:27
tgm4883_laptop                        sources to your card's inputs?00:27
tgm4883_laptopactually, going back further in your log00:28
tgm4883_laptopyou can't login to your db00:28
Frans-WillemWas just about to say that00:29
tgm4883_laptopsome1, is this a frontend/backend on the same system?00:29
tgm4883_laptopFrans-Willem, yea I tend to jump to the end of logs and work backwords00:29
some1yep it is, saw that earlier in the log, but it seems that it connected to the db eventually00:29
some1hmm maybe not all the setup steps got completed properly00:30
tgm4883_laptopsome1, start mythbuntu-control-centre and do the connection test00:31
some1it wont allow that, all the stuff below Launch MythTV Setup is greyed out00:32
tgm4883_laptopsec00:33
some1yay, well at least live tv is working, i guess the input settings had not been configured00:34
some1its only getting the first 20 of my 100 cable tv channels though00:34
tgm4883_laptopsome1, sounds like you on us-bcast instead of us-cable00:35
tgm4883_laptopin mythtv-setup00:35
some1hmm ok, let me try and find that setting00:35
some1where is that an option?00:36
some1ah ok found it00:37
tgm4883_laptopit's in mythtv-setup.  You can set the system default in (i believe step 1), you can also set it up per tuner (I believe when you set each tuner up step 2?)00:37
some1great, that worked! now if only the guide info would show up, it all says "unknown" for each station00:43
tgm4883_laptopfor every station, or for just the new ones?00:44
some1all of them00:47
Frans-WillemHmmmz00:47
Frans-WillemPick ext3 or XFS ?00:47
some1uh where is that? ext3 i'd assume00:48
Frans-WillemErr00:48
Frans-WillemThat was more something aimed at the general public :p00:48
Frans-WillemI'm reinstalling my box, wondering whether to pick ext3 or xfs00:48
tgm4883_laptopFrans-Willem, for what partition?00:49
some1XFS is rather old, unless there is some reason to use it, pick ext300:49
tgm4883_laptopsome1, where do you get your channel data from?00:49
tgm4883_laptopsome1, what you just said is incorrect00:49
hadsI use JFS for data partitions myself. EXT3 for the rest00:49
jasperbgFrans-Willem: I've found XFS really good for MythTV00:50
jasperbgand i'm not sure why one would say it's old00:50
tgm4883_laptopext3 for /, XFS for recordings partition (although as hads said, JFS should work too)00:50
jasperbgit's certainly mature00:50
jasperbgbut is still actively developed00:50
some1North America (schedulesdirect.org) which is the only option besides EIT00:50
Frans-Willem...00:50
tgm4883_laptopsome1, did you run mythfilldatabase?00:50
some1yep00:50
some1it runs automatically when setup closes00:51
Frans-WillemOk, so Ext3 for the main HDD, JFS or XFS for the recordings disks ?00:51
tgm4883_laptopFrans-Willem, yes00:51
some1what's the reason for that? ext3 is journaling just like JFS00:51
tgm4883_laptopsome1, can you pastebin your backend log again00:51
hadsXFS/JFS handle large files well.00:51
some1http://pastebin.com/f7ee64d1900:51
hadsAnd a fsck doesn't take years on a large partition00:52
Frans-Willem(also reading this: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2055105,00.asp)00:52
hadsAha, ltsp-update-kernels does what I want.00:53
Frans-Willemk, apparently XFS has better write performance, that'll be it then00:53
tgm4883_laptopsome1, are you say that your live tv works now?00:53
some1tgm4883_laptop: yep its just that the channel guide shows "unknown" for all channels00:54
Frans-WillemOk, so now three disks: One set up as Ext3 (mounted as /) and swap, other two as XFS respectively mounted on /mnt/disk2 and /mnt/disk300:56
Frans-WillemI opted to simply use /mnt/diskX instead of /var/lib/mythtv/recordings and /var/lib/mythtv/recordings2 because that would only confuse me and I don't want to pick one as a primary one00:57
Frans-WillemInstead I'll just remove the default storage group, and add new ones for /mnt/disk2 and /mnt/disk300:57
Frans-Willemanyone feel like telling me that's wrong before I hit "Forward" ;)?00:57
tgm4883_laptopFrans-Willem, sounds good, can I make one suggestion?00:57
Frans-WillemSure, shoot00:57
tgm4883_laptopare the two recording disks identical?00:57
Frans-WillemNo00:58
Frans-WillemOne is like 1GB bigger00:58
Frans-Willemand one is WD while the other is Maxtor00:58
tgm4883_laptopperfect00:58
Frans-WillemRAID ?00:58
tgm4883_laptopi suggest that instead of disk1 and disk2, you do maxtor and wd00:58
tgm4883_laptopor even better00:59
tgm4883_laptopmaxtor###00:59
Frans-WillemI now named them after the SATA channel they are on ;)00:59
tgm4883_laptopwhere ### is the # of gigabytes00:59
tgm4883_laptopFrans-Willem, heh, that works too00:59
tgm4883_laptopas long as you know which one is which if you ever want to upgrade00:59
Frans-WillemAnd I intend to swap at least one of em out later (it's bloody unreliable, already showing some bad sectors)00:59
some1any ideas what could be wrong with my program guide? it totally blank01:01
tgm4883_laptopsome1, try this.  Go into mythtv-setup, remove the channel lineup(step 3), put it in again(step 3), reconnect it to the tuner (step 4) then run mythfilldatabase again01:03
Frans-WillemBtw, does anyone know of a way to mount Windows shares in a way that won't hang when the windows box is unavailable ?01:08
hadsBummer, seems my diskless client has issues with the LTSP image.01:41
hadsActually it's not the client, looks like there's something wrong with the image I created.01:55
hadsThe error I'm getting is "nbd: sysfs_create_file failed!<4>sysfs: duplicate filename 'pid' can not be created" part-way through the boot sequence. Anyone seen that before?01:58
hadsAha, found some better error messages without quiet splash.02:04
hads"mount: Mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device" at least google has some results for that.02:04
some1tgm4883_laptop: ok tried that, program guide is still all blank / unknown :(02:07
thedarkonehey al02:20
thedarkoneall02:20
thedarkoneanyone know why i get this when i start apache202:21
thedarkoneapache2ctl start02:21
thedarkoneSyntax error on line 104 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mythweb.conf:02:21
thedarkoneInvalid command 'php_value', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration02:21
some1oh well thanks for all the help, ill get the program guide working eventually :D02:21
jasperbgthedarkone: the PHP apache module is not installed or not set up correctly02:23
thedarkonejasperbg what one do i need02:24
jasperbgthedarkone: i'm not sure i understand your question. #php or similar might be a better place to get help on setting up PHP in apache, regardless02:24
bmathishello everyone02:35
bmathishow do you requeue a job to transcode after if failed and I fixed the problem that made it fail?02:36
rhpot1992from the job menu when you are viewing your recordings, or via mythweb02:49
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bmathisrhpot1992: makes sense... thanks03:02
rhpot1991np03:04
spiritssightMay I ask where should I go for geting a blank screen when trying to watch TV using Mythbuntu+03:14
rhpot1991check your logs?03:16
rhpot1991!logs | spiritssight03:16
Zinnspiritssight: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/03:16
spiritssightone sec03:33
spiritssightwhat am I looking for03:33
spiritssightI don't know any thing about this stuff03:33
rhpot1991things that indicate something is wrong03:38
spiritssightthere is a few things tolds the bottom that look wrong but I don't uderstad how to go about fixing them, can you please help03:39
spiritssighthttp://pastebin.com/d700d1eb403:39
rhpot1991spiritssight: do you have the 3rd party video drivers running correctly?03:41
spiritssightare you talking about the ATI03:44
spiritssightI think I have the xrandr once used03:44
rhpot1991whatever you may have03:44
spiritssightwhy should that be enabled or can I use the open onces03:45
rhpot1991depends on your card I think, I'm not really an ATI expert03:46
spiritssightok I am asking someone in the ATI area brb03:47
spiritssightwhy is the issue related to the video drivers03:50
rhpot19912008-07-08 14:28:50.080 VideoOutputXv Error: Could not find suitable XVideo surface. 2008-07-08 14:28:50.080 VideoOutputXv: Falling back to X11 video output over a network socket.                               *** May be very slow ***03:52
spiritssightI am not having any luck finding out any information about this issue04:01
rhpot1991spiritssight: install the ATI proprietary drivers and it should fix that04:05
spiritssightreally04:06
hadsAHA! linux-ubuntu-modules wasn't installed in my base image so the initrd didn't have squashfs support.04:18
hadsHmm doesn't look like there's a mapping for Back in the default mythbuntu mceusb2 config06:19
superm1yeah use stop instead06:20
hadsI've just replaced it with my config. Just been playing with the LTSP diskless stuff converting my old diskless frontend.06:23
hadsTook me a few hours to figure out my broken root image. Seems to be working now except for not being able to cleanly shutdown.06:25
superm1what'd you break?06:25
hadsNo idea what I did. The chroot didn't have linux-ubuntu-modules installed so squashfs wasn't available so it couldn't boot.06:26
superm1wooh yuck06:26
superm1did you get a log?06:26
hadsNot that I'm aware of. I used m-c-c to do the initial chroot build step but then I didn't like that because I didn't know what it was doing :) So I did the ltsp-update-image by hand so I could see the output.06:27
superm1ah06:28
hadsDoes m-c-c keep logs? If so they may be still there.06:28
superm1no, but that's probably a good idea06:28
superm1especially for stuff like this06:28
hadsNot sure why it didn't install linux-ubuntu-modules06:28
superm1well thankfully thats an easy enough fix06:29
hadsYeah, once you figure out WTH is going on :)06:29
hadsOverall I'm impressed with m-c-c etc. It all works very well.06:34
hadsIt's good that it uses standard stuff underneath and doesn't try to be too magic.06:35
superm1well its still a bit too monolithic for what my view of it should be06:37
superm1once it gets broken down a little better, it should be easier to add new stuff to06:37
hadsThat mceusb2 config definitly has some odd bits.06:40
superm1well if you've got some ideas, very open to them06:42
hadsSure. There's currently no Back or Record buttons defined. Which I find best at Esc and R respectively.06:44
hadsRecTV is mapped to R currently which doens't seem quite right. Unfortunately keys need to be mapped in myth to make that row of buttons work well.06:45
hadsI map the big green Home button to a MainMenu jumppoint as well but that requires config in myth too.06:48
hadsLastly the closest button to menu on the remote is DVD menu which I map to M06:49
superm1well wehn i was saying ideas, in the form of bus06:51
superm1bugs06:51
superm1because i wont remember them right now :)06:51
hadsheh, fiar enough, I'll make a patch one day and submit it.06:52
bmathisi need a new remote for my front end and dont want to spend a lot of money. does anyone know if a mediagate remote which is supposedly MCE "certified" will work or not?07:34
bmathisheres a link: http://www.yesbuy.net/microsoft-windows-vista-remote-control-receiver-1-channel-ir.html07:34
bmathisor does anyone know where to get a fairly decent priced remote?07:34
hadsThe Microsoft MCE remotes are good and cheap.07:35
bmathischeapest I found was about $40, but im a cheap bastard07:35
bmathisthe link above is a "certified" ms remote for $20 cheaper07:35
hadsDepends where you are and what currency you're talking about I guess.07:36
bmathisim in the US07:36
hadsNo idea but we can get the OEM MS MCE remotes for NZ$45 so you should be able to get them for less than that.07:37
bmathisive been lookin for awhile now.... but thanks!07:37
bmathisi changed my search to oem and found an open box generic from newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880100202R07:40
bmathiswhat do you think?07:41
hads*Looks* like an mceusb207:43
bmathisyeah... but doesnt come with the ir blaster... movin on :(07:43
tgm4883_laptopyea it does08:04
_M0SPN_Hi all11:27
_M0SPN_I have a quick question: Mythbuntu 8.04, the only record group 'out of the box' is Default, hence all my LiveTV 'recordings' are doing the default 'auto expire after 1 day but hang around until disk space requires deletion'11:28
_M0SPN_I've read that if a LiveTV group exists, LiveTV content is automagically put in this group, with the added benefit of being deleted on expiry11:29
_M0SPN_So, do I just need to add this record group?   Is there a database setting for 'delete LiveTV on expiry' or is it really all automatic?11:31
_35mmslr_Hi all, got a problem. when on playback of recorded shows it will skip back in the recording randomly between 1min and 60 mins.  It does not happen all the time and I can find no pattern.  Been googling for hours and I cant find any other ppl with this problem.  I am running a mythbuntu 8.04 box.11:31
_M0SPN__35mmslr_ I've noticed the odd skip back of 3 or 5 seconds - nothing like a minute or an hour though11:33
_35mmslr__M0SPN_, I cant work it out.  It drove the wife nuts last night watching a film11:33
_M0SPN_It's not the ad-skipping going mental is it?11:34
_M0SPN_There's a setting for autorewind after ads somewhere - probably isn't this but it's the only thing that comes to mind.  I'm a n00b though - I'm sure others here will be able to offer some proper advice :)11:35
_35mmslr_not sure, I could try turning off the add skip.  Thanks for the advice11:35
_M0SPN_I'd try playing a program using mplayer from the desktop - see if it skips then11:36
_M0SPN__35mmslr_: I see you're in the UK?11:36
_M0SPN_I am too - had nothing but problems with ad-detection11:37
_35mmslr__M0SPN_, yep.  I neve liked ad protection11:37
_M0SPN_It occasionally detects ad breaks (but often not) but mroe annoyingly it often detects ad breaks where there aren't any.  Who sections of shows just vanish :)11:37
_35mmslr_Always had problems on my old gbpvr box11:37
_M0SPN_who/whole11:37
_35mmslr_think I will disable it and see if that helps11:38
_M0SPN__35mmslr_ Are you using mythbuntu?11:39
_35mmslr_yep. 8.0411:40
_M0SPN_Did you have a 'LiveTV' record group out of the box?11:40
_35mmslr_think so11:40
_35mmslr_I am in the backend no so will check11:40
_M0SPN_I only have 'default', therefor all recordings (and LiveTV viewings) expire after a day and hang around until disk space forces deletion11:41
_M0SPN_whereas the LiveTV group should expire after a day then force deletion11:41
_35mmslr_nope. i only have default aswell11:41
_M0SPN_how odd11:41
_M0SPN_Apparently if a LiveTV record group exists, Myth will automagically use this for LiveTV recordings, then delete on expiry - freeing disk space and also de-cluttering the recorded programs screen11:42
_35mmslr_makes sense11:43
hadsRecordings will always get deleted when nessecary anyway.11:43
_M0SPN_hads: I realise they will to create space, but with my storage that's likely to be some time in the future11:44
hadsDoes it matter?11:44
_M0SPN_hads: Not to me, but my other half is annoyed by the cluttered 'recorded programs' display11:44
_35mmslr_lol. it is always the other half that causes the stress11:45
_M0SPN_we have loads of 3 minute 'livetv' recordings from her channel hopping :(11:45
hadsWell sure, you could just create a small LiveTV group if you wanted.11:45
hadsOr filter the live tv programs from the recorded programs page11:46
_M0SPN_hads: this is what's confusing me.  Are you suggesting a LiveTV storage group with limited disk space, or a LiveTV record group with it's own expiry/deletion ruls?11:46
_M0SPN_ah yes a filter could work - I've not looked into that11:46
hadsEither or.11:46
_35mmslr_Damn,  I already have the advert skip turned off so it is not that causing the problems11:47
_M0SPN_But ... as I lack a LiveTV group, everything is currently in Default, therefor I couldn't filter.   I'll create the group and have a play ...11:47
hadsSure you can filter.11:48
hadsPress m in the watch recordings page11:48
hadsYou can also set it up in the settings too.11:49
hadsWe have ours set to show all the LiveTV stuff under a single LiveTV entry.11:49
_M0SPN_oh now this is confusing me ... MythWeb is showing some shows as belonging to the LiveTV group11:50
_M0SPN_But I can't see they LiveTV group listed anywhere else11:50
_M0SPN_Can I assume it's a valid group, but generally hidden?11:50
_M0SPN_ie, I can't schedule a normal recording and assign it to the LiveTV group?11:51
_M0SPN__35mmslr_: Hopefully someone else will be along with other ideas then11:51
_35mmslr_thanks _M0SPN_11:51
hadsIt's separate to the storage groups functionality, things that are watched live will automatically be in the livetv recording group.11:52
_M0SPN_ok11:53
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spiritssightcan someone please help me get my TV working in mythtv14:15
spiritssightI am using a ATI14:15
jphillip!ask | spiritssight14:26
Zinnspiritssight: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.14:26
_35mmslr_Zinn, do we just post the question straight in the channel or is there a bot monitoring the questions?14:28
jphillip_35mmslr_ ask your question and wait for a user to answer14:29
jphillipif someone knows they will answer, unfortunately IRC is not an instant fix so you might have to wait a while or ask again later14:30
_35mmslr_k,thanks. Thats what I did but just wanted to check14:30
_35mmslr_i'm in no rush. :)14:30
jdugganwhat you mean its not an instant fix??? i pay you good money for support!!14:30
_35mmslr_lol14:31
* _35mmslr_ thinks jduggan needs a refund14:31
Haeginhey, are there any recommendations on partitioning?15:54
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_35mmslr_update to my problem.  When it does skip back it says on the screen Jump Back.16:58
_35mmslr_it just did it and jumped back 9 mins17:00
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scantI've never installed MythBuntu 8.04, but I would like to have /var/lib/myth be on a seperate partition, does anyone know if I do this during the install, or do I have to wait until the install is finished?17:09
lagayou can do that during install17:10
_35mmslr_did a jump back again. 12 mins that tome17:11
_35mmslr_*time17:11
scantlaga: I've been reading the pdf install manual and the forums, but I haven't been able to find information on how to have /var/lib/myth be on a seperate partition, I'm an inexperienced linux user, and not using LVM, I think you can either make soft or hard links to remap /var/lib/myth to another partition, or change the configuration so it looks at the mount point for the other partitio17:12
YoshwaMon disque dur était plein et depuis je ne peux plus lancer MythTV. Quelqu'un a une piste?17:49
zabbadappscant: made a separate partition for /home, and then did a softlink from /var/lib/mythtv -> /home/my_user/media ...17:58
zabbadappworks great17:59
tgm4883_laptopheh18:04
tgm4883_laptopjduggan, for your refund, please pm me your SSN, your bank account number, your birthday, your mothers maiden name, the credit card number that you wish your refund to go back to, your dogs name, your neighbors kids favorite movie, and a twix bar18:05
scantzabbadapp: I haven't been through a MythBuntu install, at what point can I do that?18:06
tgm4883_laptopscant, just mount the other partition at /var/lib/myth18:08
scanttgm4883_laptop: I understand that's what I can do to have /var/lib/myth be on another partition, but at what point can I do that?18:13
zabbadappscant: i did the softlink after the install was completed ... since nothing was stored there yet ... and even if there was, it's just a matter of moving the content over to the new location (pay attention to accessrights though)18:14
scantzabbadapp: after the install completed but before reboot? does MythBuntu reboot after the install is finished?18:18
zabbadappscant: any time you want really ... i relocated it before i started recording or copying stuff into the original location .. but it's no big deal to do later either ... mythtv have no clue that it changed, it just follows the same old path which happens to point to a different partition18:21
scantzabbadapp: how do I get to a xterm window during the live cd install?18:23
zabbadappscant: i did it once everything seemed to be running (after several reboots, and after playing around with the system a bit), so i never needed an xterm during install -- if that is why you wonder18:24
YoshwaMy Hard Drive was full and since I can no more launch MythTV. Has someone any hint?18:25
lagaYoshwa: did you free it again?18:25
scantzabbadapp: MythBuntu reboots after install?18:25
YoshwaYes I did.18:25
zabbadappscant: yes .. and asks you to remove the cd18:25
scantzabbadapp: can I get to a xterm before the 1st reboot?18:26
lagaYoshwa: then try running18:26
lagaperl /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl18:26
YoshwaNothing happens with Frontend; controll center ask password, seems to launch, then nothing too; backend asks for confirmation of launch, then nothing if fill database.18:28
zabbadappscant: i'm not sure, but i think so .. otherwise you can always jump to the console (alt + F1 or F2 ...then ctrl+alt + F7 to return to graphics)18:28
scantzabbadapp: cool, thanks18:28
lagaYoshwa: run:18:29
lagaperl /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl18:29
Yoshwalaga, with sudo?18:29
zabbadappscant: sorry, i mixed the two togheter ... it's ctrl + alt + F1 ... Fx to switch to console, and alt + F7 to return to graphics18:30
lagaYoshwa: not needed usually18:30
scantzabbadapp: do you or anyone else know what's the earliest point during an 'Advanced Install' I can switch to console to remap /var/lib/myth?18:31
lagaum18:31
lagacant you just do that in the partitioner?18:31
Yoshwawithout_sudo: DBI connect('database=mythconverg:host=localhost;port=3306','mythtv',...) failed: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/perl5/MythTV.pm line 33718:31
YoshwaCannot connect to database:18:31
scantlaga: are you talking to me or someone else?18:31
lagascant: talking to you18:32
Yoshwawith sudo: No config found; attempting to find mythbackend via UPnP.18:32
YoshwaNo backends found.  Please copy /root/.mythtv/config.xml from a working MythTV installation instead.18:32
YoshwaCompilation failed in require at /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl line 15.18:32
YoshwaBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl line 15.18:32
zabbadappscant: once again, you can do it at any later point ... infact, i think it would be the far easiest way ... as long as you do not record any show or copy some music etc into mythtv's folders, they will stay exactly the same forever18:33
scantlaga: i don't know, I'm semi-new linux user, and I've been using myth/linux, but not MythBuntu and I've never done a MythBuntu install, but I would like to know what's the earliest point I can remap via softlink /var/lib/myth to another partition, I can't seem to find this information in the manual18:33
Yoshwashould I reinstall with Synaptic?18:33
scantzabbadapp: i would like to know the earliest point I can remap /var/lib/myth, not the latest point in time that I can remap /var/lib/myth18:34
lagascant: why would you do that with a softlink? just mount the partition?18:34
scantlaga: that's what someone suggested, so that's what I'm asking about, if mounting is easier or better, than I can do that too18:34
lagaYoshwa: maybe you need to look at your mysql error logs in /var/log/daemon.log (IIRC)18:34
zabbadappscant: ok, then i don't know :-)  ... and laga's method may be easier for you -- i just explained that softlinking worked very straightforward18:35
lagaif you are doing a fresh install, i'd recommend just mounting it18:35
scantlaga: are you suggesting I just mount the 'other partition' as /var/lib/myth? if so, what's the earliest point I can do that?18:36
lagascant: in the partitioning step in the installer. it'd also help if you just tried it instead of asking the same question over and over again18:36
scantlaga: I don't have a spare system to test this with and I don't want to loose data18:37
lagathen you better get a backup ;)18:37
scantlaga: i can't backup either18:37
YoshwaWhat should I look for in it, laga?18:38
scantlaga: i'm sorry if you feel i'm asking the same question over and over again, i'm trying to figure out how I can do this, and the manual doesn't seem to go into advanced partitioning18:39
scantand mounting18:39
zabbadappscant: or install a virtual machine (i.e. virtualbox) and try it a bit first ... it helps alot to have a complete picture of things to come if you want some special setup18:39
lagayes, try a virtual machine especially if you don't want to lose data18:39
scantzabbadapp: i may be able to do that, and eventually I may, but I thought you guys would be able to tell me exactly what point I can do this, and how18:40
lagascant: i guess nobody has the complete installer memorized.18:40
lagayou can do it in the partitioner. it doesn't get any more specific than that. .)18:40
lagamake sure not to format your partition ;)18:41
scantoh well, thanks anyways, i'll try searching the forums more18:42
zabbadappscant: and you can always bail out before commiting the partition changes .. eventually you A) try vbox, or B) get tired and go for it .. (may end in disaster, may work perfectly)18:42
lagayeah, try vbox.18:43
lagai doubt you'll get more hand holding by searching the forums ;)18:43
scantzabbadapp: i'm not looking for hand holding18:43
scantopps18:43
scantlaga: i'm not looking for hand holding18:43
lagaheh. no, you just want to know where exactly in the installer you can mount your file system. ;)18:44
scantlaga: kind of, i don't think that's hand holding, i'm sorry if you do, i thought that was a very specific question, with a very specific answer18:45
lagascant: we probably have different ideas then, so let's agree to disagree. i can really recommend virtualbox for trying out new distributions, it's also a great toy. i'm sure playing around with mythbuntu in virtualbox will be more educational than searching the forums18:46
lagabut what you end up doing really is up to you :)18:46
scantthe manual doesn't go into advanced installs, that's why i came in here18:47
lagayeah, nobody is blaming you for anything.18:48
scantok, i just thought someone would be able to tell me how to do this, i thought that's what this channel was for, help, rather than, go try it in a sandbox18:48
lagado you think we're not telling you because a) we don't know so you need to try yourself b) we know but we're not telling you because we're mean18:49
scantlaga: i don't know why i haven't received the answer i was looking for, but i expected someone would be able to tell me there was an install step in the 'Advanced Install' to mount a partition on the root filesystem, or if I would have to switch to the console myself, and at what point I could do that, because i'm think after the partitioning step, the bootable partition gets erased18:55
lagawell18:56
lagayou were told that in here, i guess.18:57
lagaso why are you complaining?18:57
scanti didn't think i was, sorry18:57
scanti guess there is a mount step in the 'Advanced Install', but I didn't see anyone say that18:58
lagabecause nobody knows for sure.18:58
lagaand if nobody knows, then nobody is gonna tell you. at least nobody knew what you wanted in that level of detail. i know the possibility is there in the partitioner and that should be enough for you to figure it out yourself. what you are *demanding* here is hand-holding, and yes, you are indeed complaining that nobody can do that.19:00
lagasee.19:00
zabbadappscant: i think the advanced install of mythbuntu is quite like the one in ubuntu ... you may wanna hunt for screenshots of that to get an idea of what's ahead19:00
lagai could give you an answer. however, that would require me to fire up my virtualbox to take a look.19:00
lagawhich is obviously not going to happen because i'm not doing your work19:00
zabbadappscant: the partitioner and so is probably exactly the same as in ubuntu19:01
scantlaga: i'm not demanding anything, and i still don't think i'm asking for handholding, i thought we agreed to disagree19:01
lagasorry if i come across as rude, but your expectations seem a little bit high :)19:01
lagascant: okay, i'm going to leave you alone then and go back to work. good luck :)19:01
scanthow do i know if no one knows the answer to my question if i don't ask it19:02
scanti don't think the question i asked is high in detail level, many people in the forums have the same question, but i haven't been able to find the steps involved19:02
scantI think 8.10 will have the install steps to have a 2 drive (os and data) setup i'm asking about19:03
scantzabbadapp: thanks for the suggestion, I didn't know they were the same, pictures or textual descriptions are useful19:04
jphillipI don't feel like reading everything back so I'll just throw this out here, using your home dir with recordings is a bad idea, can lead to lots of permission headaches19:07
scantjphillip: is this in reference to my question?19:08
jphillipits a reference to someone saying to symlink /var/lib/myth to /home/blah19:10
scantjphillip: yeah, that's me, i wasn't planning on symlinking /var/lib/myth to my home dir, but thanks for the warning19:10
thedarkonehey all19:12
thedarkonewhatz is should be in http.conf mine is blank19:12
sigma_12how do you select extra packages in the alternate installer?19:17
jphillipfor starters wait more than 30 seconds for an answer19:21
jphillipthedarkone I think it is supposed to be blank19:22
thedarkonewell i can't get appache2 to start19:25
thedarkoneit gives a error php_value19:25
jphillipff Easy_Rider9999: #ubuntu-mythtv ("Leaving.")19:30
jphillipsilly putty19:30
Frans-WillemMorning, anyone here ?20:40
jphillip!ask Frans-Willem20:41
ZinnSorry I don't know about ask Frans-Willem20:41
jphillip!ask | Frans-Willem20:41
ZinnFrans-Willem: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.20:41
scanti'm curious to know why the MythBuntu manual notes VIA DMA issues but fails to mention this is no longer an issue(i think) with newer boards and was an issue with boards made like 5-8 years ago20:45
Frans-Willemjphillip: Not specifically in for questions, just hanging around wondering if anyone else is ;)20:48
jphillipsome of us are here :)20:48
Frans-WillemI messed up my backend installation yesterday :(20:50
Frans-WillemI intended to write a proper guide on how I did everything step by step, so I could repeat it at my parents' house20:50
scantI believe the VIA DMA issue was chipsets such as the VT8363 because of a bug. I'm not a VIA history or hardware expert, but I believe the DMA bug has been fixed for a long time.20:51
Frans-WillemBut then I fucked up something, had to fix something, forgot how I did it so I couldn't describe it20:51
Frans-WillemAnd now after running the updates some of the manual config hacks have been broken by updating the system :/20:51
Frans-WillemGuess I should've done that before messing with config files :/20:51
Frans-WillemSo anyone feel like giving me some tips before I set about to re-install my backend again ?20:55
Frans-WillemLike which order to do things ?20:55
hugolpI am having problems when trying to use gstreamer players and mythtv at the same time20:55
hugolpif I am playing a movie with gstreamer and I start mythtv the mythtv video goes in slow-motion20:56
hugolpsame if I start mythtv first, then gstreamer movie goes slow-motion20:56
hugolpit was fine in gutsy20:56
hugolpanyone has heard of something similar?20:57
jphillipwhy are you running both at once?21:06
hugolpjphillip:  I discovered it when I paused mythtv live tv to run a short video on totem.21:07
hugolpI know its not a common thing but it should not happen and it wasnt happeningn before21:07
cvaSince upgrading to .21 directv.pl no longers works correctly within mythtv to control my directv receiver. From the command line all is well. I'm wondering if .21 is expecting a different return value than previous versions.23:09
tgm4883_laptopcva, post your channel change command23:30
cvathe command is "/usr/local/bin/directv.pl"23:43
cvaI can post some debug to pastebin if needed23:44
cvafrom the CLI all is well23:44
cvaI can do a get_channel and it reports fine23:44
cvaI've tried from version 1.6 to 1.923:44
cvahttp://www.pdp8.net/directv/directv.shtml is the script I use23:45

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