| Shaba1 | hello anyone at the keys here | 00:28 |
|---|---|---|
| Shaba1 | I lost the botton and top panels when I powered off how do I get them back | 00:28 |
| KEAL | why won't my damn computer start | 00:28 |
| KEAL | o.O | 00:29 |
| KEAL | ? | 00:29 |
| zoredache | Shaba1: try running 'xfce4-panel' press alt-f2 to get a run dialog box | 00:29 |
| zoredache | KEAL: because it is broke... Perhaps you would like to elaborate? | 00:29 |
| KEAL | keeps saying either kernel panic or doesnt do anything after finishing trace | 00:30 |
| zoredache | and? Is this a new install, are you booting from the livecd? Did you update the kernel, did you add a driver? | 00:30 |
| KEAL | btw the bios has dead flash | 00:30 |
| KEAL | i installed the os from a new iso 3 days ago | 00:31 |
| KEAL | ever since today it won't start xubuntu | 00:31 |
| zoredache | if it was working 3 days ago, what has changed? Did you add/remove anything? | 00:31 |
| KEAL | it's just a crappy computer | 00:31 |
| KEAL | how do i get it to progress beyond trae | 00:32 |
| KEAL | how do i get it to progress beyond trace | 00:32 |
| KEAL | there is a nonfunctional prompt | 00:32 |
| KEAL | just a blinking curso | 00:32 |
| KEAL | just a blinking cursor | 00:32 |
| KEAL | that doesn't respond | 00:32 |
| zoredache | you probably have read what it is telling you, and search for that error message on google or something | 00:32 |
| KEAL | there is no error | 00:32 |
| KEAL | took me 15 minutes just to get it to stop saying kernel panic | 00:33 |
| KEAL | :( | 00:33 |
| zoredache | try booting off the cd again. Try running something like the memory diagnostic... | 00:34 |
| KEAL | brb moving that computer into here -.- | 00:34 |
| KEAL | ok got computer in here | 00:52 |
| KEAL | once it is working i can use the mirc i have installed on xubuntu | 00:52 |
| KEAL | ok i have no f'ing clue what the f my computer is doing | 00:56 |
| KEAL | use the 'up' and 'down' keys to select which entry is highlighted. | 00:57 |
| KEAL | press enter to boot the selected OS, 'e' to edit the | 00:57 |
| KEAL | commands before booting, or 'c' for a command-line | 00:57 |
| KEAL | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 00:57 |
| KEAL | that is what is on the screen along wih an extended ascii gui | 00:58 |
| KEAL | the list is empty | 00:58 |
| KEAL | it's highlighting a blank line with and arrow pointing right on the right end | 00:58 |
| KEAL | what the heck do i do now? | 00:59 |
| KEAL | it has never done this before | 00:59 |
| zoredache | have you tried booting off the cd yet? | 00:59 |
| KEAL | how do i know which cd? my friend never labeled them | 00:59 |
| KEAL | and i am out of blank cd's | 01:00 |
| Shaba1 | I thin that did is zoredache I am rebooting right now to be suer | 01:00 |
| Shaba1 | sure | 01:00 |
| KEAL | should i just pop in a cd and see what happens until i find the right one? | 01:00 |
| KEAL | the hdd is formatted with xubuntu etc | 01:00 |
| KEAL | it shouldn't pop this up | 01:01 |
| zoredache | KEAL: trying cds shouldn't hurt anything | 01:01 |
| KEAL | it should go to xubuntu after it boots | 01:01 |
| KEAL | it's not even listening to my keyboard now -.- | 01:02 |
| hads | Sounds broken | 01:02 |
| KEAL | kernel panic | 01:02 |
| KEAL | [ 15.488622] Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle Task! | 01:03 |
| KEAL | then it froze | 01:03 |
| Shaba1 | thank zoredache | 01:04 |
| Shaba1 | I will be back | 01:04 |
| KEAL | [ 15.488622] Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task! | 01:04 |
| zoredache | KEAL: and that is when you tried booting from a cd? | 01:04 |
| KEAL | that rather | 01:04 |
| KEAL | i have no idea what the hell it is trying to do | 01:04 |
| KEAL | the bios doesn't even have functional flash | 01:04 |
| zoredache | KEAL: if you don't know what is doing, then turn it off, and put the cd in and try to boot from it... | 01:05 |
| zoredache | if your flash is really, truly fried though you may have to accept that there is nothing you can do | 01:05 |
| KEAL | Starting up... | 01:05 |
| KEAL | Loading, please wait... | 01:05 |
| KEAL | /init: .: 24: Can't open /conf/arch.conf | 01:06 |
| KEAL | [ 16.173465] Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! | 01:06 |
| KEAL | then it froze again | 01:07 |
| aro | g | 01:07 |
| KEAL | btw the pins on the pentium 4 are really short | 01:07 |
| KEAL | SOCKET 476 i think or 478 | 01:07 |
| KEAL | i think it is an act of God that the machine runs at all | 01:08 |
| KEAL | ok it booted off cdrom | 01:10 |
| KEAL | i attempted to test cd for defects and it did kernel panic again -.- | 01:10 |
| KEAL | keeps saying kernel panic -.- | 01:12 |
| hads | Your hardware is broken | 01:12 |
| zoredache | I would guess that is is about 95% likely you have a hardware failure of some sort. Possibly having to do with your trashed flash, or maybe something to do with the ide controller | 01:12 |
| KEAL | either that or rebooting on it's own | 01:12 |
| KEAL | :( | 01:12 |
| KEAL | f this | 01:13 |
| * KEAL goes to the garage to start anew on a new machine i have laying around | 01:13 | |
| KEAL | ok God is seriously f'ing with my head today | 01:15 |
| KEAL | i was just in the garage and the wrong case was on the other computer | 01:16 |
| KEAL | i go out again and the right one is on it | 01:16 |
| zoredache | !language | KEAL | 01:16 |
| ubottu | KEAL: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. | 01:16 |
| xaer0 | hallo | 01:19 |
| zoredache | xaer0: hello | 01:21 |
| xaer0 | ive been using *buntu for about 3 years.. after playing around with openSUSE, Ubuntu, Fedora, GoblinX, Puppy Linux, and Slackware... Xubuntu beat all of em for me :L) | 01:24 |
| zoredache | great :) | 01:24 |
| xaer0 | ive been thinking of getting more involved into the Xubuntu Community.. since my first dealings with a P2 350Mhz, a P3 800Mhz.. xubuntu work great | 01:25 |
| xaer0 | hell even on this 1.8Ghz Semperon 3000+, 1GB 800Mhz RAM.. Xubuntu rules | 01:26 |
| xaer0 | (overclocked my processor from 1.6 to 1.86Ghz) | 01:26 |
| xaer0 | i want to make some artwork for icons and wallpaper... but most my experance is a Paint Shop Pro 9 | 01:28 |
| xaer0 | this new project lead for Xubuntu... oh man reading his Strategy Document. Smart Man !! | 01:29 |
| TheSheep | he does good work :) | 01:30 |
| xaer0 | i see his launchpad is very active o_O more than me... i just help out in Fluxbuntu with Questions | 01:30 |
| xaer0 | i dont have enof time to learn programming.. i love video/audio editing and making images | 01:31 |
| TheSheep | xaer0: have you tried medibuntu? | 01:32 |
| xaer0 | i liked Ubuntu Studio more | 01:32 |
| xaer0 | i just used WINE for my Fruitty Loops Studio | 01:33 |
| xaer0 | and XVidcap for screen capture | 01:33 |
| xaer0 | my girlfriend and i are trying to get some Video Game reviews up | 01:34 |
| TheSheep | cool | 01:37 |
| TheSheep | btw, you know gamelibrewiki.org? | 01:37 |
| xaer0 | nope | 01:40 |
| xaer0 | i an old school gamer... any thing from n64 and before | 01:41 |
| xaer0 | i mostly run Emulators in WINE.. i still have WinXP install for MAME32++ and other emulators that arent ported to Linux like Magic PC Engine | 01:41 |
| TheSheep | xaer0: emulators in wine? there are native ones for most platforms... | 01:43 |
| xaer0 | not the most supported or well made | 01:43 |
| TheSheep | xaer0: which platforms do you miss? | 01:43 |
| xaer0 | N64, MAME, and TG-16... all have to have a GUI | 01:43 |
| xaer0 | i dont like gaming with Command Line :( | 01:44 |
| TheSheep | no idea what tg-16 is, there are several graphical mame frontends and there is mupen64 for n64, no idea how good it is though | 01:44 |
| xaer0 | the Turbo-Grafx 16 .. the first ever 16 bit system ever created. released in 1989 in the US and 1986 in Japan | 01:45 |
| xaer0 | oh check this http://www.lockergnome.com/it/2008/07/07/ubuntu-at-best-buy/ | 01:45 |
| xaer0 | best buy now carried Ubuntu :) | 01:46 |
| xaer0 | *carries | 01:46 |
| xaer0 | well off to watch Hells Kitchen.. laters.. maybe ill get around to making images and logos for Xubuntu soon :L) | 01:48 |
| === xaer0 is now known as xaer0_BBL | ||
| KEAL | test | 01:59 |
| KEAL | nearly electrocuted myself just now | 01:59 |
| KEAL | spilled a soda on a mess of cables | 01:59 |
| madchaz | hey all. having a prob with an old laptop. Installed xubuntu on it and now it stays stuck at loading manual drivers when I boot | 02:35 |
| madchaz | specs: P2 266Mhz. 192Mgs of ram. Builtin graphic (intel, I think) | 02:35 |
| madchaz | used to run gentoo on it, but got tired of updates taking 4 days to compile ;-) | 02:36 |
| madchaz | anyone as an idea? | 02:37 |
| mgroman | !ask | 02:38 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) | 02:38 |
| mgroman | all: ^ | 02:38 |
| madchaz | well, I am trying to get my laptop to boot past 'loading manual drivers'. How do I do that? (how is that?) | 02:39 |
| madchaz | nice chanel. shitload of people, not one helpfull one | 02:46 |
| lc2 | nice nick dos4gw | 03:19 |
| dos4gw | thanks! | 03:22 |
| lc2 | :D | 03:22 |
| === gaurdro is now known as MenschenFleisch | ||
| * lc2 drops pin | 03:32 | |
| Yud_Zroc | how do u make an sd card bootable | 04:50 |
| Chaz | Hello, I was wondering If there is anything wrong with this setup? I was given a Windows Box via remote desktop to make a CoD server for our clan. I really prefer the Linux environment so I installed a Virtual Installation of Xubuntu and plan on running the CoD server from there. Is there anything wrong with this? | 04:53 |
| lc2 | no | 04:56 |
| lc2 | not that i see | 04:56 |
| lc2 | though that depends on how well your virtualisation software plays with remote desktop | 04:57 |
| lc2 | your = the | 04:57 |
| Chaz | if they ask me why I did this, am I right in saying that linux is a more reliable server, especially when this windows server has to be running in gui? | 04:59 |
| Chaz | and more efficient* | 04:59 |
| Chaz | lc2: am i right? | 04:59 |
| lc2 | well | 04:59 |
| Chaz | uh oh :P | 04:59 |
| lc2 | it's only going to be as reliable as the windows box and the virtualisation software | 05:00 |
| Chaz | huh | 05:00 |
| Chaz | whoopss.....g2g | 05:00 |
| Chaz | thx for your input lc2 | 05:00 |
| lc2 | kay | 05:00 |
| === Jack_Of_Clubs_ is now known as Jilobyte | ||
| piju | hello | 05:55 |
| piju | i got problem here | 05:55 |
| piju | my browsing become slow | 05:55 |
| piju | http://pastebin.ca/1066334 | 05:55 |
| piju | this is my firewall script | 05:55 |
| KEAL | piju ? | 07:10 |
| piju | ? | 07:20 |
| zoredache | debugging iptables rules is kinda off-topic here. I would suggest checking #iptables, or maybe #ubuntu-server... | 07:23 |
| zoredache | as a general reccomendation, why not do a tcpdump, or fire up etheral and see if you can see what is going on | 07:23 |
| zoredache | if enabling the firewall makes something slow it usually means you are blocking something. In tcpdump you'll often see something trying to retransmit the same packet several times | 07:25 |
| zoredache | another option would be to simple start clean and just add in one rule at a time, and test after each change | 07:26 |
| zoredache | btw, is that firewall something you wrote yourself from scratch, or did you use something to generate it? | 07:27 |
| hads | Do yourself a favour and use something to generate it if you aren't already. | 07:28 |
| Cuhar2_ | hello | 08:32 |
| Cuhar2_ | anyone is having problems with localization? I have xubuntu with the packages for spanish, but firefox is in english... | 08:32 |
| Cuhar2_ | also the menus when exiting are not translated... | 08:33 |
| microwaver | anyone have any experience setting up a xubuntu startupsound? | 09:04 |
| TheSheep_ | microwaver: in the login window settings | 09:22 |
| microwaver | TheSheep_, Hello sheepy, where can I find it in the GUI | 09:30 |
| microwaver | (native gnome user here :| :p) | 09:30 |
| SlidinZ | ? :p | 09:31 |
| TheSheep_ | microwaver: in setting submenu | 09:31 |
| TheSheep_ | it's the same gui as in gnome | 09:31 |
| TheSheep_ | or you can start it from terminal with sudo gdmsetup | 09:31 |
| microwaver | the terminal thing works, I can't seem to find it in the xcfe desktop gui (don't have the gnome one anymore) | 09:35 |
| TheSheep_ | microwaver: settings->login window | 09:36 |
| microwaver | TheSheep_, Thank you | 10:17 |
| microwaver | TheSheep_, can't seem to find a sound option in gdmsetup | 10:36 |
| microwaver | nvm | 10:36 |
| microwaver | TheSheep_, Do you know what those 'buttons' on the left hand side of applications are ? with th O in it? | 11:23 |
| TheSheep_ | microwaver: "stick", they make the window visible on all workspaces | 11:25 |
| microwaver | TheSheep_, handy, love xubuntu so far, just one downside :P | 11:25 |
| TheSheep_ | microwaver: you can customize which buttojns are visible and where in the window manager settings | 11:25 |
| microwaver | TheSheep_, no multiple dorpping / dragging on desktop | 11:26 |
| TheSheep_ | microwaver: yeah, I don't keep anything on the desktop, it's cleaner | 11:27 |
| microwaver | TheSheep_, Mostly I download from FF straight to Desktop | 11:28 |
| microwaver | and somethimes when I unrar/zip things it gets clutterd | 11:28 |
| * cody-somerville nods. | 11:31 | |
| TheSheep_ | microwaver: you can open the Desktop directory in your home dir | 11:32 |
| microwaver | any news on 'fixes' on that ? or reasons why it won't work in xfce and it does in gnome | 11:33 |
| microwaver | I know sheep. but my lazyness makes me do more work than I wouldn't be doing when i'm not lazy : | 11:33 |
| TheSheep_ | microwaver: it will be fixed in next version of thunar | 11:40 |
| pronto | hello :) | 11:43 |
| microwaver | thunar is the nautilus of xcfe right ? :p | 11:43 |
| pronto | http://pronto185.com/linux/screens/windowshots/07_09_08_06:33:30window.png odd, error :o | 11:43 |
| JannoTT | Is there a way to add keyboard shortcut to System monitor? | 11:45 |
| microwaver | JannoTT, | 11:47 |
| microwaver | Applications > Settings > Settings Manager > Shortcuts | 11:47 |
| JannoTT | Dont have that "shortcuts" button on settings manager. :/ | 11:49 |
| microwaver | no | 11:50 |
| microwaver | Applications > Settings > Settings Manager > Keyboard > Shortcuts | 11:50 |
| microwaver | sorry :) | 11:50 |
| daurn | hey | 11:51 |
| JannoTT | now i got it. Thanks | 11:51 |
| daurn | Disk Managment in my panel menu isn't runnign as root | 11:51 |
| daurn | how do I fix it? | 11:51 |
| JannoTT | Nice! Ctrl and numlock del button now makes system monitor pop-up. | 11:54 |
| microwaver | daurn, not sure what you're plannign to do | 11:55 |
| daurn | microwaver: when I goto Applications -> System -> Disk Management, it says I do not have permissions, and to run as root | 11:56 |
| daurn | I would think I need to edit the command to add gksu infront of the command being called? | 11:56 |
| daurn | but I don't know how to edit the menu | 11:56 |
| daurn | when I goto edit menu, you can only change the master menu, which actually includes the main section from another file | 11:56 |
| microwaver | daurn, you added Disk Management yourself ? did ya? | 11:59 |
| daurn | no? | 11:59 |
| microwaver | because when I go to Applications -> System > <there is no disk managemnt | 12:03 |
| daurn | hmmm | 12:06 |
| daurn | oh well | 12:06 |
| daurn | what do I use for managing partitions? | 12:06 |
| microwaver | you want to resize them and stuff? | 12:08 |
| daurn | yeah | 12:09 |
| microwaver | i've always used gParted | 12:09 |
| Shaba2 | anyone at the keys here | 14:05 |
| kripz | What is the equivalent of Media Player Classic + FFDSHOW for Xubuntu?? | 14:06 |
| === adam is now known as maxamillion | ||
| TheSheep_ | kikr_: totem + ffmpeg | 14:20 |
| Shaba2 | does anyone know how I can control the apci properties of my laptop | 14:25 |
| Shaba2 | like how long it takes before it goes into standby mode,monitor off mode e.t.c | 14:25 |
| TheSheep_ | Shaba2: you can install gnome-power-manager... | 14:26 |
| Shaba2 | TheSheep_: apt-get install gnome-power-manager? | 14:32 |
| Shaba2 | I assume | 14:32 |
| Shaba2 | ? | 14:32 |
| TheSheep_ | yeah, with sudo | 14:33 |
| Shaba2 | thanks | 14:33 |
| Shaba2 | ok second question | 14:33 |
| TheSheep_ | shoot | 14:34 |
| Shaba2 | Someone told me how to get vino to start up automagically at boot on this laptop I am typing on now | 14:34 |
| Shaba2 | I just set up ubuntu on my moms laptop becasue I coudl not get her windows xp recovery disk to install without the laptop shutting down | 14:36 |
| Shaba2 | BUT Now I do not remember the instuctions he gave me. | 14:36 |
| Shaba2 | I have the script that he made in a dpaste | 14:37 |
| Shaba2 | but do not know where I put it or how I start it up :( | 14:37 |
| Shaba2 | any ideas | 14:38 |
| TheSheep_ | can you show the script? | 14:38 |
| Shaba2 | hold on | 14:38 |
| Shaba2 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/23652/ | 14:39 |
| TheSheep_ | Shaba2: I can tell you how to start it n login, but not on boot | 14:40 |
| Shaba2 | this is very important. Since its on my moms laptop. And trust me she will be calling me all hours of day or night asking questions. So I would rather just remote into her laptop and solve them | 14:41 |
| Shaba2 | Well for her its the same thing since I have autologin set up | 14:41 |
| Shaba2 | TheSheep_: ?? | 14:45 |
| TheSheep_ | Shaba2: just put it in ~/.config/autostart | 14:46 |
| TheSheep_ | in a .desktop file | 14:46 |
| Shaba2 | Ok hold on | 14:47 |
| TheSheep_ | alternatively you could also just add it with settings->autostarted applications | 14:47 |
| Shaba2 | I am on the xubuntu side of my laptop | 14:47 |
| Shaba2 | I have vino set up that way on this machine. | 14:47 |
| Shaba2 | but like I said I forgot how I did it. | 14:47 |
| Shaba2 | let me check ~/.config/autostart | 14:48 |
| Shaba2 | TheSheep_: No ts not in there | 14:50 |
| Shaba2 | ah .desktop sounds familiar | 14:50 |
| Shaba2 | where would I normally find those? | 14:50 |
| TheSheep_ | Shaba2: all over the place, these are launcher files | 14:55 |
| TheSheep_ | Shaba2: type 'locate .desktop' to get a list | 14:55 |
| Shaba2 | Sorry to be so dense.But working and 11pm-7:30 am shift does not make ones mind the sharpest in the morning. | 14:57 |
| TheSheep_ | Shaba2: I also don't know a solution | 14:57 |
| TheSheep_ | Shaba2: I'm trying to guess... | 14:57 |
| TheSheep_ | Shaba2: if you remember the name of the file you used, you can 'locate' it too | 14:57 |
| Shaba2 | thanks TheSheep_ i will just leave a memo for cyphase. | 15:00 |
| Shaba2 | He was the one that told me how to do it. | 15:00 |
| Shaba2 | found it TheSheep_ | 15:03 |
| Shaba2 | you gave me enough hints to find where it was | 15:03 |
| Shaba2 | Ok third question TheSheep_ | 15:06 |
| Shaba2 | if you are still here. | 15:06 |
| Shaba2 | I have a wifi print sever that she(mom) brought | 15:06 |
| Shaba2 | I have got it working in windows | 15:06 |
| Shaba2 | how would I get it to print from xubuntu | 15:06 |
| Shaba2 | and yes I know that is a very generic question | 15:06 |
| TheSheep_ | Shaba2: there is some documentation on it on the desktop guide | 15:18 |
| TheSheep_ | Shaba2: I'm not really familiar with printers either | 15:18 |
| Shaba2 | desktop guide? | 15:18 |
| TheSheep_ | https://help.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html | 15:19 |
| TheSheep_ | it's a little incoplete/outdated, but some info is in there | 15:19 |
| TheSheep_ | 15:20 | |
| ubottu | Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows | 15:20 |
| Shaba2 | TheSheep_: I found this http://forums.linksys.com/linksys/board/message?board.id=Wireless_Print_Servers&thread.id=1021&view=by_date_ascending&page=1 | 15:38 |
| CTZen | hello! I'm lookin for help | 16:19 |
| Myrtti | okies | 16:20 |
| Myrtti | I'm looking for eternal happiness but I guess I'll have to wait for that | 16:20 |
| CTZen | yeah maybe next release | 16:21 |
| Myrtti | I hope you don't have to wait that long | 16:21 |
| Myrtti | CTZen: let me get my crystal ball | 16:34 |
| CTZen | yep.. ok | 16:35 |
| CTZen | I got a second harddrive | 16:35 |
| CTZen | fat32 format mounted at /media/diskf32 | 16:36 |
| CTZen | on xubuntu desktop there is a icon "filsystem" | 16:37 |
| CTZen | for the 1st harddrive | 16:37 |
| CTZen | how to add another icon for the second hardrive ?? | 16:37 |
| CTZen | ok hit that ball --> Myrtti | 16:38 |
| Myrtti | well now. I think I've seen someplace a way to tweak that | 16:40 |
| Myrtti | hm, was wrong | 16:42 |
| Myrtti | anyway... | 16:42 |
| Myrtti | do a simple symbolic link to it? | 16:42 |
| Myrtti | ln -s /media/diskf32 $HOME/Desktop/diskf32 | 16:43 |
| CTZen | ok | 16:45 |
| CTZen | is it the same as "Create launcher" ? | 16:45 |
| Myrtti | not exactly | 16:45 |
| Myrtti | symbolic link creates a link that you can use straight up | 16:46 |
| Myrtti | ie. save stuff to Desktop/diskf32/folder/foo/bar | 16:46 |
| Myrtti | it Just Works | 16:46 |
| Myrtti | for every and all of the apps | 16:47 |
| CTZen | ok... I did... | 16:48 |
| CTZen | hey7 cannot change the icon | 16:48 |
| CTZen | mmm... it does not shows on thunar either | 16:49 |
| CTZen | on the left panel | 16:49 |
| CTZen | I can see my home folder, trash, desktop, filesystem. floppy | 16:49 |
| === kikr_ is now known as kikr | ||
| menovamike | Hi! | 19:13 |
| menovamike | I have a problem with autostarting apps in xubuntu: I put them in the autostart list, and nothing happens. I was just trying to get the autostarted apps function to run a script by giving it "sh /path/script.sh" as the command. Any ideas? | 19:15 |
| th0r | menovamike, first, make sure the script is executable, second try it without the sh. If I remember right I am running one or two that are called without the sh | 19:24 |
| menovamike | Great, I'll try it. | 19:25 |
| Shaba2 | does anyone know how to connect to a networked print server. | 21:58 |
| Shaba2 | I can connect to the admin page thru firefox using the url | 21:58 |
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