[11:35] <chrisjrob> I've been testing Edubuntu 8.04 and noticed that the thin client manager is not installed by default and must be added by installing thin-client-manager-gnome (the backend is already installed), could anyone advise whether this is a bug and if so where I should log it?
[11:36] <ogra> its no bug
[11:37] <ogra> we dropped tcm in favour of italc for which the client is installed by default and the control app is shipped on the edubuntu addon CD
[11:37] <chrisjrob> thanks ogra!
[11:37] <chrisjrob> I guess the documentation is lagging a little behind development...!
[11:38] <ogra> as always (sadly)
[11:38] <ogra> sorry for that
[11:38] <ogra> it shoudl probably be mentioned on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyClassroomServer
[11:40] <chrisjrob> yes, that was the page I had followd.  thanks for the info ogra.
[13:50] <edistar> hello, anyone here using italc? it doesn't seem to work here..
[13:50] <edistar> do I need to start the italc client manually on every client?
[13:56] <edistar> and the clients all run locally on the server, how do I connect to them?
[13:58] <ogra> there is a special port you need to connect to
[13:58] <ogra> use: external_server_ip:port for that
[13:58]  * ogra forgot which port that was .... 
[14:01] <edistar> ogra: ok, I'll check that then
[14:01] <edistar> external_server_ip =?
[14:02] <ogra> well, if you have two NICs in your server, the one facing the outside world, not the client network
[14:02] <edistar> I only need one NIC
[14:02] <ogra> well, then that one i guess
[14:02] <edistar> ok
[14:02] <ogra> i only tested with a two NIC setup
[14:02] <ogra> and it didnt work with the TC network IP
[14:07] <edistar> well, I just put the router/gateway into the same network so that other clients not booting via LTSP could also access the internet
[14:08] <edistar> so now I don't need the second NIC for internet anymore
[14:27] <edistar> ogra: doesn't the port change every time the person logs on?
[14:29] <edistar> I don't understand how to set it up..
[14:32] <edistar> http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=ITALC_in_a_ThinClient_environment I tried this
[14:32] <edistar> but an echo $DISPLAY does not output the same at all..
[14:35] <ogra> thats al ltsp4.x which is obsolete since 3 years
[14:35] <edistar> ogra: ah, ok
[14:37] <ogra> stgraber, do you remember the port number for italc (that really needs to go on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iTalc) i cant find your mail to RichEd where you outlined it
[14:37] <ogra> and thats my only reference for the port :(
[14:38] <edistar> ogra: isn't it 11 + last bit of ip?
[14:38] <ogra> something like that
[14:38] <ogra> i think it was 10+last bit for ltsp5
[14:40] <edistar> ogra: and localhost doesn't work for ip?
[14:42] <edistar> ogra: don't the ips change every boot? or do I need to setup fixed ips for certain MAC addresses then?
[14:46] <ogra> they usually dont change unless you have more clients than your IP range defines in dhcpd.conf
[15:16] <edistar> ogra: okey..
[15:17] <edistar> ogra: do you think the wiki entry will be updated soon?
[15:17] <ogra> if someone updates it :)
[15:17] <edistar> then I'll look into that program again in a few days..
[15:17] <ogra> its a wiki, anyone can (*hint*) :)
[15:17] <edistar> stgraber could do that ;)
[15:18] <edistar> ogra: I don't know exactly what to do, otherwise I'd edit it
[16:34] <stgraber> edistar: hi
[16:35] <stgraber> edistar: did you try the release we have in the PPA ? it has avahi support and should solve all your ports problem
[16:36] <stgraber> italc uses two different ports, one of ISD (service daemon) and one for IVS (vnc server). With LTSP I'm using 10000+last-byte-of-ip and 11000+last-by-of-ip
[16:37] <stgraber> the iTalc wiki page still needs a lot of work, the idea would be to have an howto for all possible way of installing it (that's a lot :)). Feel free to update it with your own experience.
[17:12] <edistar> stgraber: thanks, will try that
[17:16] <edistar> stgraber: I added the repos but it doesn't find any updates
[17:18] <edistar> stgraber: so it won't install the ppa version
[17:21] <stgraber> you are using Hardy right ?
[17:34]  * ogra would assume so for everyone since ltsp in intrepid doesnt work currently
[18:55] <edistar> stgraber: yes, I am
[19:57] <stgraber> so you should have a proposed upgrade to 1.0.9-rc4
[20:04] <edistar> stgraber: no, dist-upgrade told me that there was nothing to upgrade
[20:53] <edistar> stgraber: thanks for your help anyway :) I'll be off.. I'll have another look around in a few days