[01:06] <cesar_bo> Sorry, the Session: ﻿"Encouraging women to participate in Ubuntu", would be tomorrow, I don't find the event on the schedule on the wiki ...
[01:12] <cesar_bo> where can I find information about the session of tomorrow?
[16:43] <huats> there :)
[16:44] <persia> heh
[16:44] <persia> The idea of attending 1/3 meetings was about a demonstration of commitment.  I have no strong feelings about it.
[16:45] <huats> Oh
[16:45] <huats> I think it is necessary to show the commitment...
[16:45] <huats> but maybe 1/3 is a bit to hard to acheive
[16:45] <huats> especially with the rotation of timezone
[16:45] <huats> ...
[16:46] <huats> may be a good idea could be, but I am sure many mentors wont agree, to let the mentor handle this commitment dea
[16:46] <huats> idea (I mean)
[16:47] <norsetto> who is pleia2, james_w ?
[16:47] <huats> why not have a "regular" meeting beetween a mentor and his mentees...
[16:47] <huats> so the mentee can show his progress...
[16:47] <huats> or at least his activities
[16:47] <huats> or just an email from the mentee to the mentor, to keep him imformed
[16:48] <huats> of the work in progress
[16:49] <persia> huats: Could be: I was thinking of education as much as mentoring.
[16:49] <norsetto> what would be different from now? I mean, do we need to say to the mentor to keep track of his mentee activities?
[16:49] <huats> norsetto: we should not
[16:49] <huats> but you cannot impose someone to attend regular meetings...
[16:49] <huats> the mentee can have his commitment when he can...
[16:49] <huats> that is my main pb...
[16:49] <norsetto> why not? thats what you normally do in schools, isn't?
[16:50] <huats> norsetto: sure
[16:50] <huats> but may be just a regular report might do it..
[16:50] <norsetto> I mean, when you attend your fine arts lesson, you know there are these lessons, at a certain time, why would it be different here
[16:50] <huats> norsetto: i clearly see you point...
[16:51] <huats> and I agree that this proof of commitment is a necessity
[16:52] <huats> I am not sure, that attending a meeting is a good prrof
[16:52] <norsetto> the proposal is to integrate the two activities more closely, in a way school and mentoring will not be two separate activities anymore
[16:52] <huats> I understand
[16:52] <huats> and it is great
[16:53] <norsetto> we will not require to attend all lessons, but we have to guarantee a minimum attendance, at least to show that you are serious and willing to take commitments
[16:53] <norsetto> to me, having mentees available to act as "teachers" for these lessons, is a very good plus
[16:54] <huats> but I would rather a report from a mentee that tells me :"I could not attend the lesson, but I use it in my work in progress for the last week" rather than someone who shows up idling... because he uses sccreen...
[16:54] <huats> if putput that "small" reaction
[16:54] <huats> aside, I strongly agree with the idea...
[16:55] <huats> and allowing mentees to act as teachers is great too...
[16:55] <norsetto> but by making it free we will end it up in weaking the bond
[16:57] <norsetto> you know, people just say, oh well, I can't make, I have to walk the dog, and next time will be grandma sick and so on
[16:57] <huats> norsetto: I agree
[16:58] <norsetto> what do you think of the time limit for mentoring totally new contributors?
[16:58] <huats> my idea would be : ask mentee to send regular reports of the work in progress, showing their usage of the last classrooms...
[16:58] <huats> this is my idea for showing the commitment, that is all :)
[16:59] <norsetto> I have to think about it, I'm not thrilled to add more and more bureaucracy
[16:59] <huats> norsetto: i understand
[17:00] <persia> From my limited experience as a mentor (one mentee now almost u-u-c), I'll say that more reports aren't interesting: it's mostly about interaction with the group.
[17:00] <huats> it was just a rought idea
[17:00] <huats> persia: I totally agree
[17:01] <huats> but if we do the 1/3 stuff, we have some problems : when to have meetings
[17:01] <huats> let's start with the timezone rotation
[17:02] <huats> so I can only attend 2//3 of the lessons (related to the timezone pb) ... at the maximum...
[17:02] <huats> then we should have a rotation between, weekend and work days...
[17:03] <huats> so we split again in 2
[17:03] <huats> so I can only attend 1/3 of the lessons
[17:03] <norsetto> in the proposal we say "those not in regularattendance (at least 1/3 sessions) may no longer be eligible forMentoring
[17:03] <persia> Which was the reason for the initial 1/3 sessions :)
[17:04] <huats> so I cannot miss even 1 lesson that I cannot be part of the mentoring... I think it is too strict
[17:05] <norsetto> first of all, its may, not shall, second, we talk about mentoring, if you can't make a committment, we should not be obliged to waste resources for nothing
[17:05] <huats> norsetto: come on... we are talking about missing 1 lesson let's say out of 10....
[17:06] <norsetto> of course if one loses a lesson, will be ok, the spirit is that a certain level of commitment must be given
[17:06] <huats> norsetto: but I strongly agree....
[17:06] <huats> i just say that may be, we can be a little more comprehensive...
[17:07] <norsetto> we will, but not upfront
[17:07] <huats> ok
[17:08] <huats> regarding the limited time, once again, I fear that 3 monthes can be a little short for new comers...
[17:08] <norsetto> I'm a bit confused now, wasn't james_w looking at the school?
[17:09] <huats> if I remember correctly, to become a member it is needed to be active for at least 2 monthes...
[17:09] <norsetto> thats good, I thougth it was too long :-)
[17:10] <huats> on the other side, it is enought time...
[17:10] <huats> sure
[17:10] <huats> I agree too :)
[17:10] <norsetto> again, this falls into the committment basket
[17:10] <huats> 3 monthes is great
[17:11] <norsetto> I don't know, I feel as if it is too long actually, depends very much on the contributor and his level of committment
[17:12] <norsetto> you see, what I want to avoid is having mentors frozen for long time, for contributors which are not particularly (if at all) active and on the other side have willing contributors which have to wait because we have no mentors
[17:13] <persia> I think it's a good timeframe for the mentoring.  If someone needs longer, they may do well with team help, or switching mentors.
[17:13] <norsetto> huats: by the way, before I forget, do you think you can take care of jadi?
[17:14] <huats> norsetto: sure
[17:14] <huats> I'll be happy to
[17:14] <huats> !
[17:14] <huats> but you know I am not even a contributor yet ...
[17:15] <norsetto> what I have seen so far, is that willing and committed contributors take a month or less to be productive, while if they take longer, is certainly longer than 3 months
[17:15] <huats> (well I have to admit that I am not really sure what would be better for me if I apply)
[17:15] <norsetto> huats: I mean to couple him with a mentor :-)
[17:15] <huats> norsetto: oh :)
[17:16] <huats> i think you were refering to this proposal already :)
[17:16] <norsetto> huats: you can help him if you are willing, that would be a great idea
[17:16] <huats> norsetto:  no pb I'll find a match :)
[17:16] <norsetto> huats: it will help you too to see things in a different perspective
[17:16] <huats> norsetto: definitly...
[17:17] <norsetto> huats: as far as I'm concerned, I'll be happy if you introduce him to the basics
[17:17] <huats> norsetto: I can do that sure...
[17:17] <huats> (I just need to find out what are the basics)
[17:17] <huats> ;)
[17:17] <huats> but I will help him...
[17:17] <norsetto> huats: well, I can help you to help him ;-)
[17:18] <huats> norsetto: anyhow you know that I would bother you if I have some pbs ;)
[17:18] <norsetto> huats: alas !
[21:14] <Drk_Guy> Hi all