=== Syntux_ is now known as Syntxu === Syntxu is now known as Syntux [00:16] Good evening [00:57] hi [00:58] i've a problem with revu... i've uploaded my first package more than 5 hours ago, but i cannot see it in the revu page [00:58] can somebody help me_ [00:58] ? [01:06] i've uploaded it again [01:09] ah i've found the problem [01:56] Hello All, I am learning to package, I have a question, When I create a package, I use on the maintener field, latin characters: as ñ and é, using gdebi it outputs bad. [01:56] theres is a way to use the latin characters, to output well ? [01:58] cesar_bo: for all fields in debian/control, you should use the UTF-8 encoding [01:59] but I don't know if gdebi supports display of non-ASCII characters, it could be a gdebi bug [02:01] slangasek: Well I don't know if I am using utf-8 on the control file [02:01] I would look, thanks very much [02:02] cesar_bo: a simple commandline check is to run: iconv -futf-8 -t ucs-2le < debian/control > /dev/null [02:03] slangasek: thanks, it prints bad as on gdebi [02:05] cesar_bo: hmm? that check won't print anything except an error message [02:05] the <> are necesary ? :D [02:06] can somebody please kick my other nick? sorry about that [02:07] doing that, outputs no error: mariocesar@dedalo:/~/lidios-0.1/debian$ iconv -futf-8 -t ucs-2le < control > /dev/null [02:10] cesar_bo: right, then it's a gdebi bug [02:10] slangasek: well thanks [02:15] slangasek: There is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gdebi/+bug/109907 thanks again :-) [02:15] Launchpad bug 109907 in gdebi "Unicode characters not shown correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:15] no problem === Hobbsee` is now known as Hobbsee === keylocker is now known as leleobhz [03:03] Hi guys! [03:03] I wanto to kick in this group to help out [03:04] I already signed the CoC, but can't find an option to go in [03:04] Right. That's because anyone can help. :) [03:04] Anything in particular you'd like to do? [03:04] Packaging [03:04] Specially, rare software, or with special patch's or fixes [03:05] For example, Wine + 3DMark [03:06] Wine + 3dmark? [03:06] I'm now compiling official winehq's sources with that patch, to test it and upload it to my PPA [03:06] RAOF, it makes wine spoof some of it's characterirstics so more games will run [03:07] Right. That's not going to be very useful on the MOTU front, but may be useful for other things. [03:07] RAOF, Although it won't modify anything else [03:07] RAOF, I mean, i can try to package anything you ask for, and have my PPA for non-MOTU soft [03:07] The way to get that into the official Ubuntu packgaes would be to file a bug against the Wine package, attach the patch, and give some justification. [03:08] Anyway, it's not a bug, so it won't just fit [03:08] Particularly: is it likely to be accepted into wine mainline? If not, why not, and why should we go against upstream. [03:08] I would use my PPA instead [03:08] Sounds like the bug is "Some games don't run under wine" [03:08] And this patch fixes that bug. Right? [03:09] RAOF, Actually, they run, but they will whine about DX errors, this patch spoofs wine's capabilities so games run better [03:10] Do they actually run better, or do they just report fewer warnings? If the former, that's something we may want to have in the official packages. [03:11] Just because it doesn't result in a program failing to work doesn't mean it's not a bug. [03:12] RAOF, I mean, w/o the patch, games like CoD 4 won't run [03:12] :) [03:12] Right. So that's _definitely_ a bug. [03:13] Still, that patch has been available since 9.* branch, but it hasn't been applied to upstream [03:13] Why?, dont ask me [03:15] `morning [03:15] night [03:15] lol [03:16] Drk_Guy: So, there's probably a reason why it isn't applied. Either that reason isn't good (such as: no one's actually _asked_ the wine devs to apply it - again, attach to upstream bug), or there _is_ a good reason :) [03:16] RAOF, maybe it is worth asking in #winehq [03:16] Right. [03:17] The aim is to get the fix out to the maximum number of people - so the best place is upstream. The second best place is in the official Ubuntu repositories, and a PPA runs a distant third :) [03:17] Gonna research about PPA by now [03:18] RAOF, Maybe creating a fork, wine3dmark and wine [03:18] ;) [03:35] guys [03:35] I have an issue [03:35] I just created my PPA, but it is 404 [03:35] Is it normal? [03:37] No, but you probably want to ask in #launchpad about PPA issues. [03:37] Ok [03:48] is there a command for generating the special date format of changelog file? [03:48] debian/changelog [03:48] date -R [03:48] Thx [03:49] Does debuild clean the compile dir? [03:52] Drk_Guy, if you're building from Debian source package, running "./debian/rules clean" might help. If you're building from source, then try "./make clean", it should work. [03:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete [03:53] Jazzva, I don't want to recompile [03:53] ;) [03:53] It's just a lil changelog change [03:54] Anyway, gonna try to make a deb tomorrow [03:54] Thanks for help [03:54] GTG [04:01] hi elkbuntu [04:01] :p [04:22] hi sladen [04:22] >_< slangasek [04:22] :p === doko_ is now known as doko [04:41] hi all. is there a script to replace Maintainer: with me, and set XS-Original-Maintainer: to the old Maintainer: value? === tritium_ is now known as tritium [04:45] kgoetz: update-maintainer [04:45] null_vector: cheers. [04:46] is it in devscripts? [04:46] ubunutu-dev-tools [04:47] thanks mate [04:47] np [05:34] soren: ping [06:36] good morning [06:36] hi dholbach [06:36] hi nxvl [06:40] dholbach : Guetan tag [06:41] hi bliZZardz: Guten Tag! [06:47] Morning Daniel [06:47] * Iulian yawns [06:47] heya Iulian! [06:51] its not posable to use dget on an LP PPA (because the .dsc and .gz will be saved in different locations). should i file a bug against devscripts or LP? i'm thinking the latter. [06:53] kgoetz: there's dgetlp in ubuntu-dev-tools [06:53] dholbach: thanks, i'll use that. [06:54] kgoetz: OR use dget on http://ppa.launchpad.net/5-a-day/ubuntu/pool/main/f/five-a-day/ [06:55] or use apt-get source [06:56] nxvl: would involve sources.list changing and updating package lists and similar annoyance. [06:56] well, yes, but if you have it already not [06:56] :D [06:57] dholbach: hm. well i have the dgetlp. thanks for that :) [07:01] there's already a bug on it [07:01] i think they said they were going to fix it fairly soon, months ago [07:31] Laney: hi - what about those ffmpeg sponsoring bugs? are you going to add patches too? === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [07:38] does anyone have some overview how much fallout/breakage the new ffmpeg package caused? [07:39] AFAIK, main is cleared already, and most of universe, at least for packages from debian === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [07:47] siretart: There are a few more FTBFS that I haven't done yet, will get you a list after work later [07:47] Laney: thanks [07:47] dholbach: geser did a load of them and I'll attach patches for the rest if he doesn't plan on doing those one [07:47] s [07:47] Laney: excellent! [07:48] * dholbach just triaged a bunch of bugs in the sponsoring queue [07:51] Hm, is the sponsors queue moving slowly ATM? I've had some merges awaiting for some weeks now [07:54] Laney: Yes, it's moving slowly just now. [07:55] persia: OK, no worries. So am I to be honest, just started a new job [07:56] ...which I have to leave for now. Have a good day all [07:56] Laney: Have a good day. [08:02] * Hobbsee wonders why dholbach is light blue. [08:02] * Hobbsee ponders doing something on the sponsorship queue [08:17] i am wondering, has anyone contributed a package for Perl? [08:17] Which particular perl? [08:18] 5.10.0 [08:18] Yes. [08:18] o, ok [08:18] Hobbsee: dholbach isn't light blue to me. [08:19] Various pieces of absolutely core Debian infrastructure depend on perl. It's well maintained :) [08:20] ah, ok [08:20] (In fact, I think it's currently breaking Etch->Lenny upgrades in some cases ;)) [08:28] Heh. Kmos mass-closed all the xmms bugs in debian. [08:30] Uhh [08:31] RAOF: you're not surprised, are you [08:32] ? [08:32] Not really. It's just interesting to run into. [08:32] because xmms was removed from sid [08:33] Yeah. The remark wasn't really intended to indicate my approval or disapproval. Just surprise at seeing a familiar name :) [08:34] i'm surprised they dont' make all bugs stay until it falls out of all supported releases [08:34] We have surprisingly few xmms bugs, actually. [08:36] Oh, including one against Xmms2. Whoops :) [08:51] Hobbsee: Debian usually don't. [08:53] ah === jmunro_ is now known as jmunro [09:35] Hello === TiMiDo is now known as ubuntu === ubuntu is now known as TiMiDo [09:40] Why does lintian generate the "native-package-with-dash-version" warning when the version has -0ubuntu1 appended at the end? [09:41] Because you don't have an orig.tar.gz? [09:42] morning dear MOTUs and contributors :) [09:44] Morning. [09:44] RAOF: oh umm... I used dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot as suggested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU (this is my own app). How do I generate orig.tar.gz? [09:46] dushara: What should generally be done is: you grab a copy of the software that you want to package. This will generally be distributed as a tarball (.tar.gz, or .tar.bz2, or whatever). [09:46] To build the Debian package, you take this (upstream) tarball, unpack it, and add a debian/ directory. [09:47] So, in the case of your own software, you probably want to distribute it more widely than just Ubuntu, right? [09:47] yes [09:47] In order to do that you basically want to release the code in some useful way. A .tar.gz is the canonical way. === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [09:49] Yes I've got tge .tar.gz. I created a debian dir within the extracted tar.gz with the version postfix etc. Then I entered the command I showed earlier. Have I missed a step? [09:50] dushara: Rename the tarball to packageName_version.orig.tar.gz [09:51] jpds: ok thanks [10:04] emgent: congrats !!! [10:12] huats: thanks [10:13] Congrats emgent. [10:13] Iulian: thanks :) [10:30] <\sh> emgent: congratulations...rocking news :) [10:45] \sh: thanks :) [10:49] emgent: congratulations!!!! \o/ great mate [10:49] sebner: thanks === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch [11:12] congrats emgent :) [11:12] vorian: thanks :) [11:13] wd :) [11:18] emgent: Congratulations. Security ... must be tough work. :-) [11:19] Does anyone have any idea how much usually a package takes to clear from 'NEW" queue? [11:20] slytherin: At least a week I think. [11:20] depends when someone deals with ti [11:20] slytherin: :) [11:20] * kgoetz giggls and pokes Hobbsee at teh queue [11:21] Hobbsee: What if another new version review is waiting for a package in queue. Can I poke someone about it? [11:22] slytherin: You can ask "archive-admins: Please NEW $(packagename) to allow an update of $(depending package)" in #ubuntu-devel. If that doesn't work, you can look up today's archive-admin on the wiki, and highlight them directly. [11:24] persia: Thanks, will try [11:35] hi all [11:37] Just uploaded pkg to REVU. What happens now? [11:37] dushara, wait [11:38] Fester: Cool. [11:44] dushara, Festor... no Fester.. xD [11:44] Oops sorry :-D [11:44] Does anyone know what this means? [11:44] "N: 1 tag overridden (1 warning)" [11:45] * persia welcomes vorian to the U-U-S team [11:45] I get to run the lintian [11:45] Festor: Assuming that's lintian output it means that there's an override file. [11:45] Festor: and it overrode 1 warning. [11:46] Is there any way to locate it? [11:46] [11:46] I do not understand the problem very well. This is the first time I see this warning [11:46] emgent: you have to join too \o/ [11:47] Festor: Look in the debian dir for an lintian file. [11:47] yes, there is a folder called lintian [11:47] sebner: i know :) [11:48] sebner: persia mailed :) [11:48] Festor: That's probably where the override is. [11:48] ops, wait [11:48] emgent: Most people ask for U-U-S here. Mailing me takes longer :p [11:48] persia: hehe np :) [11:49] emgent: hrhr. [11:50] thanks jpds I found the problem [11:50] emgent: Now go sponsor some stuff :) [11:50] Festor: You're welcome. [11:50] ha [11:50] persia: hahaha [11:52] emgent: now go and upload eggdrop :P [12:03] What's the average time people wait for a response for an updated debdiff while doing the U-U-S dance? [12:04] Anyone here feeling an hero? If you are brave enough to test an hardy-proposed fix, head to bug 242635. [12:04] Launchpad bug 242635 in trousers "The package cannot be removed if the daemon fails to start" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242635 [12:05] RAOF: For me, depends on the issue. In many cases, if it's trivial, and someone doesn't respond to an IRC ping within a couple hours, I just fix it and upload. [12:16] norsetto: I felt an hero indeed, but It was an easy one :) [12:17] warp10: you cheat, being a medical doctor you know the tricks of the trade, its not fair ;-) [12:18] * warp10 0:-) [12:19] lol [12:20] warp10: thanks for checking that out, much appreciated [12:20] here i am ;-) [12:21] norsetto: my pleasure! :) [12:22] :-) [12:22] impi226: shoot, we are all ears (and somebody is all nose too) [12:23] my problem is that i do not really know how good my skills are and how i can contribute to ubuntu [12:24] impi226: what is it you want to do? Help with translation, triaging bugs, helping to manage the universe repo? [12:25] my best skills are php, mysql (webdevelopment), but i am also working on and very interested in getting skills programming c++ & java... [12:26] impi226: perhaps you should read a bit about how we develop ubuntu, I think this should help you to clarify things [12:27] in what extend "about how we develop ubuntu"? [12:27] impi226: did you go through this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment ? [12:28] i read it. [12:29] but there is no real starting point saying "contact that person, and he will help you getting involved" [12:30] or i don't read intently enough :-) [12:30] impi226: there is no such person [12:31] impi226: but there are such persons, right here [12:31] thats the matter why i am here... [12:31] but i have to go to lunch now... [12:32] my workmate is waiting ;-) [12:32] so long... [12:32] impi226: guten appetit then [12:34] * norsetto goes to lunch too, his stomach is waiting [12:48] How often is http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ updated? [12:49] Iulian: Every few hours. If you fix something, please leave the bug number in a comment. [12:50] persia: Sure, thanks. [12:51] Iulian: Said differently, everything in RCbugs generally deserves an LP bug. It's not so important now, but as the freezes come, RC bugs helps provide justification for freeze exceptions (although the pressure to backport the fix increases). Also, many of those might affect Hardy, and may deserve an SRU (although it depends on the specific RC bug). [12:55] persia: Yea, sure, I will have a look at them though. [13:09] emgent: congrats :) [13:11] emgent: Congratulations. Use the power wisely... [13:11] QUICK! UPLOAD CRACK!!! [13:13] ScottK: RainCT thanks :) === lmr__ is now known as lmr [13:25] morning [13:26] morning null_vector [13:29] RC bugs page is not correct at least in one respect. cairo-java has same version as Debian, still it is listed on page. [13:29] <\sh> sebner: hey, you are famous now :) reading p.g.o ;) [13:30] slytherin: Many Ubuntu packages has the same version as the ones from Debian. [13:30] Iulian: Then hwo to correct list on that page? [13:30] null_vector: any news about that dh thing? [13:31] slytherin: I don't know. persia says that it's updating every few hours. [13:31] \sh: hrhr. didn't know that he is on the planet [13:34] \sh: but please, no photos xD [13:36] norsetto: Yeah, it doesn't work without pysupport installed as is. If you remove that bit and have pysupport installed, it doesn't work. [13:36] <\sh> sebner: :) [13:36] norsetto: That's why it was a binary upload in debian [13:36] \sh: but thanks for the hint :) [13:37] null_vector: ok, please prepare a patch for Ubuntu then, so that we get it out of the way [13:37] norsetto: ok [13:38] back :-) [13:40] norsetto: You want to make python-support a dependency? [13:40] *build-dep [13:41] null_vector: no need, with my patch it builds and installs with just pycentral [13:41] norsetto: alright [13:42] null_vector: you are using pbuilder I hope? [13:42] norsetto: yes [13:42] null_vector: good [13:43] norsetto: Where's the patch? [13:44] null_vector: in my email, its not a patch, its how rules looks now (practically, you delete the after/before and leave one line only) [13:49] siretart: did you see my msg yesterday? [13:58] norsetto: bug 247275 [13:58] Launchpad bug 247275 in python-minimock "FTBFS in intrepid." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247275 [13:58] null_vector: ok, thanks, its on my todo list [14:02] norsetto: ! [14:02] !! [14:02] :) [14:02] how are you ? [14:02] huats!!! [14:02] i went to talk to mrevell about the reception mailing list [14:02] apparently we need to talk to jorge about that [14:02] ... [14:02] to fasten a bit the process... [14:03] huats: to speed up :-) [14:03] huats: unless you want to tie jorge down and abuse him ;-) [14:03] exactly [14:04] ;) [14:04] sure [14:04] (about speed up) [14:04] * norsetto was scared for a moment [14:05] ;) [14:07] jcastro: (wodoo voice) jcastro, if you can hear us, please give us a sign [14:07] Anything that needs special attention or just go back to FTBFS? [14:07] huats: do you think we should sacrifice a cock? [14:07] :) [14:08] coq [14:08] ::) [14:08] null_vector: you are doing an amazing work with ftbfs, you want to continue or do you want to do something else? [14:09] norsetto: no that's fine and thanks [14:09] null_vector: thanks to you [14:11] norsetto: first off i will carry on reading the ubuntu wiki... is there any use for a php programmer with medium c++ skills and the declared intention doing everything for improving ubuntu? ;-) [14:12] impi226: everyone is welcome, we can do with all the possible skills [14:13] impi226: if your interest is mainly in php, you ould help a lot just by triaging php specific bugs [14:13] impi226: s/ould/could [14:13] norsetto: but how can my php skills help improving ubuntu? ;-) [14:16] norsetto: i don't think there are much websites to be coded.... [14:16] impi226: as an example, give a look at bug 87333 [14:16] Launchpad bug 87333 in php-mail-mime "get notice about returning variables" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87333 [14:16] impi226: True, but if you have a lot of experience in php, you could probably help a lot with triage of php package bugs. [14:17] impi226: this is the kind of bugs where your expertise could help us [14:18] hi folks [14:18] norsetto: okay... that sounds good for me... [14:18] impi226: if you go to this page: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=php you will see 298 packages which are related to php [14:19] * norsetto bows to supermaster sistpoty|work [14:19] hi norsetto [14:19] (and no, I'm no supermaster :P) [14:20] * norsetto checks again sistpoty|work and wonders what the big S on his chest means [14:20] norsetto: S is for Stefan *g* [14:21] *g* [14:23] norsetto: you looking for me? [14:23] jcastro: is that a De Niro voice? [14:24] heh [14:24] That'd be s/for/at/ :) [14:25] jcastro: I was told by huats (who has been told by mrevell) that we should plead and beg you to have our team mailing list approved (thats mentoring-reception team) [14:25] norsetto: we're blocking on IS tickets. [14:25] jcastro: If you are the right person, this is one team that's been without a mailing list for over a year, and could really use one. [14:25] persia: yes, the haircut gave him away :-) [14:25] :) [14:25] norsetto: once we finish with guadec we're going to london and fixing lists is like, a top priority [14:26] norsetto: (I share your frustration) :) [14:26] persia: the queue for mailing lists is full of fail on our side [14:26] jcastro: that would be cool, we are waiting since a week and we really miss the list now that we have a full team [14:26] norsetto: only a week! [14:26] * norsetto swear against himself for giving up so easily [14:27] jcastro: did I say a week? Sorry I meant a year [14:28] More than. It's been since last April or so, hasn't it? [14:28] persia: april of last year, yes === ember_ is now known as ember [14:28] norsetto: you have my promise that I will escalate your issue. :D [14:29] jcastro: now, don't close by saying "I'll be back" ... [14:29] norsetto: I have to go now, can you do me a favor and forward me any correspondance you've had with us wrt. your list? [14:29] jorge@ubuntu.com [14:30] we've been waiting for the mailing list tickets to get approved since last uds. :-/ [14:30] * persia pokes dholbach to help contribute prehistory [14:30] jcastro: sure, thanks for helping, next time I see you at an UDS I will let persia hug you [14:32] Now there's a dangerous offer :) [14:32] persia: lol [14:33] zzz.... =.o [14:33] hi norsetto [14:33] gaspa: morning [14:34] persia: i'm still working on that nbs page, don't think that i dismissed it. (just too busy and a lot of mishaps) [14:35] gaspa: No worries. There's a new channel where people are gathering to work on such tools: #ubuntu-quality. [14:35] ah,wow. [14:43] jcastro: thanks ! [14:43] and enjoy your guadec [14:43] ! === smarter_ is now known as smarter [14:58] Is PATH_MAX defined somewhere in Linux? I thought that was Windows only. [14:59] null_vector: yes, it is [15:00] sistypost: thanks, then it's the gcc4.3 prob [15:00] null_vector: for gcc 4.3 you have to inlude [15:01] or for c++ [15:18] mmmh [15:19] : [1.396031] BUG: unable to handle kernel [15:20] interpid alpha 1 [15:20] impi226: That's the trick with running the development release: it's usually broken in a few ways :( [15:21] persia: yes, but directly after the bootscreen? :-D [15:21] impi226: All sorts of times: depends on which packages are broken that day, or what transition is underway. [15:22] persia: maybe because i'm at work (running windows, big sorry!!!) and trying to run it in sun xvm virtualbox [15:22] ? [15:22] Maybe. Report a bug. [15:22] okay [15:24] persia: you have any non-raid hot swap (sata drives) experience with linux? [15:24] thus far, everything seems to be about raid [15:24] I know our controller supports hot swapping, but when you pull a mounted drive out, all hell breaks loose [15:25] nixternal: Nope. All my non-raid hotswap experience is old enough to have been SCSI (and I don't have any current test equipment). [15:25] ya, same here [15:25] That said, back then, you had to stop the filesystem before you unplugged the drive. [15:25] I suspect this is still the case. [15:26] If it still crashes after being unmounted, that'd be a bug. [15:26] ya, warm swapping when not in raid [15:26] I can warm swap all day long [15:28] You want to hot-swap when not in raid? That's not supposed to work. [15:28] I suppose you could turn off all caching, and disable the VM layer, and have a chance, but... [15:30] hm... that would still lead to the question with what you want to swap the drive? [15:31] * persia suspects a non-broken drive to replace the failed one [15:31] but where should it get the contents from? [15:32] How do you disable certain checks in lintian? [15:33] null_vector: you can provide overrides, or just use a brain filter when looking at the output [15:36] sistypoty: They are actual errors keeping it from building, like non-stripped binarys. But those binaries are explicitly skipped in dh_strip. [15:38] null_vector: lintian errors keep it from building? [15:39] null_vector: and there's also the question, why these binaries are not stripped (problems with pitti's -dbg magic?) [15:39] sistpoty: nvm, sorry. slow this morning [15:39] heh [15:40] per changelog: http://pastebin/ubuntu.com/26477 [15:44] ugh. nice. sounds like deep crack (but of course that's no news in regards to a bootloader *g*) [15:45] persia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/247293 ;-) [15:45] Launchpad bug 247293 in ubuntu "BUG: unable to handle kernel" [Undecided,New] [15:49] persia: prehistory about what exactly? [15:51] sebner: you should add the scrollkeeper dependency though [15:51] dholbach: prehistory of the mentoring-reception :-) [15:51] dholbach: Any ancient correspondence about mentoring reception that might help jorge get the mailing list created. [15:52] which mailing list? one for the mentoring-reception? [15:52] dholbach: I'm trying to get a team mailing list, so, if tehre was any request made by you, it could help [15:52] no, there wasn't [15:56] boo [15:56] -ECHANNEL [15:57]