[00:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: yeah - I noticed the amount of LP bug mail related to that :)
[00:00] <Quatroking> ...
[00:00] <Quatroking> The Live Cd doesn't work on it :(
[00:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: i have one physical machine running Intrepid i'm using for the init script testing and development
[00:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: i can repurpose it for iso testing thereafter
[00:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: that would be great - as of the timeframe, alpha2 is due tomorrow
[00:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: so having testing done by then would be helpfull :D
[00:01] <kirkland> mathiaz: :-/
[00:12] <gbooks> hi all!
[00:13] <gbooks> trying to set up mod_rewrite... ran the ln -s... command and then wen to do: apache2 -k restart and got error:
[00:13] <gbooks> apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}
[00:14] <hads> `sudo a2enmod rewrite` is what you should be running
[00:17] <gbooks> hads, thanks!  that did it!
[00:18] <hads> np
[00:41] <zul> kirkland: lemme know when its really done :)
[00:41] <kirkland> zul: okey doke
[00:41] <kirkland> it's all really done
[00:41] <kirkland> zul: i've subscribed you to the bugs I need sponsoring
[00:41] <kirkland> slangasek sponsored the lsb upload
[00:41] <kirkland> and slangasek sponsored the one for samba
[00:41] <zul> kirkland: cool
[00:42] <kirkland> zul: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lsb/+bug/203169/comments/33
[00:42] <kirkland> zul: that comment has links to each of the bugs
[00:42] <kirkland> zul: with patches that require uploads
[00:43] <kirkland> zul: take a look and see if they're okay
[00:43] <zul> kirkland: cool ill do it first thing tomorrow just trying to get liam to go to slee
[00:43] <kirkland> zul: if they are, I'm going to write a wiki page on how to create similar patches for any other generic server package
[00:43] <kirkland> zul: nxvl expressed an interest in helping
[00:43] <zul> kirkland: cool
[00:44] <kirkland> zul: there are dozens (hundreds? thousand+?) of other init scripts that could use this
[00:44] <kirkland> zul: should be done in Debian, obviously
[00:44] <kirkland> i'll push each of these patches to Debian
[00:45] <zul> kirkland: sounds good to me
[00:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm downloading ISO's now
[00:51] <mathiaz> kirkland: great ! thanks for help testing the new isos
[01:19] <hessml> does anyone here have an opinion about managed switches - brands that you like or dislike?
[02:23] <Jberg88> hi, is anyone in here?
[02:29] <ScottK> Yes
[02:29] <ScottK> lamont: Ping.
[02:30] <ScottK> lamont: I'm looking for a policy compliant way to add another service to master.cf to reinject mail from amavisd-new after scanning.
[02:31] <Jberg88> oh ok I was wondering if i would loose my google apps if i were to use BIND9 for my home webserver
[02:31] <ScottK> How is it you think those are related?
[02:33] <Jberg88> I don't know.
[02:34] <ScottK> Then it seems like an odd question to me.
[02:38] <pschulz01> Greetings.. what is the 'best way' to add new users to a ubuntu-server box?
[02:39] <ScottK> pschulz01: See man adduser
[02:46] <pschulz01> ScottK: Ta. Is there a command to list the deatils of a user? (regardless of if they are registered via LDAP or passwd)
[02:46] <pschulz01> (Different system)
[02:47] <ScottK> Dunno.
[02:48] <pschulz01> I remember that 'ypcat' kind of worked for systems that used NIS.
[02:48] <sommer> pschulz01: try the id command: id username... gives you some information anyway
[02:49] <pschulz01> .. and 'id' shows me groups. I was after the rest of the password info.. particularly 'shell'
[02:49]  * ScottK me slaps the entire Ubuntu Server team (except sommer) in the head via email.
[02:52] <sommer> ScottK: Bug #247144
[02:53] <ScottK> Kewl.
[02:53] <ScottK> sommer: Thanks.  I really appreciate you working on it.
[02:54] <sommer> np, hopefully its complete :)
[02:54] <ScottK> sommer: You ready for me to review it?
[02:55] <sommer> ScottK: yep, I think its complete
[02:55] <ScottK> Is it really dbs?
[02:56] <sommer> it says it in the control file... and there's an include in the rules file for dbs-build.mk
[02:56] <sommer> wasn't really sure what dbs was, but looked like a patch system
[02:57] <sommer> also the debian policy on the package is rather dated :(
[02:57] <ScottK> It's the predecessor to cbds.
[02:57] <sommer> ah, I'm not sure that it's actually doing anything, but it's there
[02:58] <ScottK> What version do you have.  My says 3.7.3.0?
[02:58] <ScottK> And compat = 7
[02:58] <ScottK> I think you reviewed an old version of the package.
[02:58] <sommer> libsocket6-perl_0.19-1
[02:59] <ScottK> You want 0.20-1
[02:59] <sommer> ah balls, I wasn't in my intrepid chroot... doh
[02:59] <ScottK> ;-)
[02:59] <sommer> I'll update the mir
[03:06] <ScottK> sommer: dbs is part of the packaging system, not a patch system.
[03:07] <sommer> ah, gotcha
[03:11] <sommer> ScottK: updated, the rest of the questions still pertain... at least I think so
[03:11]  * ScottK looks again.
[03:13] <ScottK> sommer: 3.6/3.7 in standards version.  What work does it need?
[03:14] <sommer> Homepage field, is really the only one I can think of, so I figured there may be more
[03:14] <sommer> heh, just read your email... kind of spooky that I was working on another one when you were writing that
[03:14]  * ScottK bets not.
[03:14] <ScottK> Thanks again for your work on this.
[03:15] <sommer> fair enough, I'll soften the language on that question
[03:15] <sommer> np
[03:15] <sommer> what's the deadline for MIRs?
[03:16] <ScottK> Approval by feature freeze.
[03:17] <sommer> ah, so we've got some time :)
[03:21] <sommer> libsocket6-perl updated again
[03:22] <ScottK> You need to mention dbs
[03:22] <sommer> as a patch system?
[03:23] <ScottK> As part of the packaging system.
[03:23] <sommer> ScottK: or as a dependcy?
[03:23] <ScottK> Tarball in Tarball is worth a mention as a packaging oddity.
[03:23] <ScottK> It makes patching MUCH harder and so it a supportability consideration.
[03:24] <sommer> ya, I wondered about that, but I've seen another package like that
[03:24] <ScottK> It's odd, but not impossible.
[03:24] <ScottK> Also it does have a test suite.
[03:24] <helfire> acl's rock
[03:24] <helfire> just thought i'd throw that out there
[03:25] <sommer> ScottK: do you get that from the dh_testdir in debian/rules?
[03:26] <sommer> oooohhhh, the "t" directory
[03:26] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:26] <sommer> but is it used in the package?
[03:27] <ScottK> Not sure.  Looking.
[03:29] <helfire> would it be safe to give www-data an acl for r-x to /var/www so apache will default have access to all new users
[03:30] <sommer> helfire: should be, as far as I know
[03:30] <helfire> if someone hacks the user www-data, i have bigger issues anyways i'd suppose
[03:31] <sommer> heh, your pretty much in a world of pain at that point... I'd also keep an eye on who's in the www-data group also
[03:32] <helfire> ya, using acl's no one should really be in it
[03:33] <ScottK> sommer: It's listed in the MANIFEST, so I know it gets installed.  Not sure about running it.
[03:35] <sommer> ScottK: if it were being run wouldn't that be in the debian/rules file?
[03:35] <ScottK> Run at install, not during build.
[03:35] <ScottK> There's some Perl specific magic for that that I don't recall how works.
[03:35] <sommer> ah gotcha, I can look into that
[03:36] <ScottK> Other than that, I think it's good.
[03:37] <sommer> cool, thanks
[03:47] <helfire> well /var/web/user/phptemp wont work unless i chown it back to www-data:www-data (even with proper acl's)
[03:49] <helfire> nevermind i did it recursive so all the sessions got changed as well :)
[04:06] <helfire> does anything report ACL violations?
[06:08] <pschulz01> ping.. anyonw have experience with ssmtp ? I just installed and does exactly what I want it to do..
[06:09] <sommer> pschulz01: I use it for simple mail testing with mutt
[06:10] <pschulz01> Is there anything tricky about it at all???
[06:10] <pschulz01> sommer: I have installed it on a gateway box that doesn't need to have a mailserver on it.
[06:11] <pschulz01> sommer: This is to get sysadmin emails off the system.
[06:11] <sommer> pschulz01: I've never noticed anything tricky... I think as long as you don't want it to do anything too complicated it'll work great for you
[06:12] <sommer> basically as long as it has somewhere to relay mail off of ssmtp is great
[06:12] <pschulz01> sommer: :-) .. well it hasn't open any ports, which is an excellent start.
[06:12] <pschulz01> opened
[06:13] <sommer> yep, I kind of think of it as just the sendmail binary and not the sendmail service
[06:13] <sommer> but I'm also not sure how accurate that analogy is :)
[07:46] <CrummyGummy> Elo
[08:40] <redguy> hi
[08:42] <redguy> my gutsy LTSP server stopped working after a minor update. .xsession-errors files in users' ~ complain about MAGIC-COOKIE . Anyone has an idea what might go wrong?
[09:00] <kraut> moin
[09:58] <nandersson> What has OpenSUSEs Build Service that Launchpad doesn't? I'm asking as I write for Swedish tech-mag TechWorld Open Source and I'm curious
[09:59] <nandersson> I.e could OpenSUSE Build Service be of any use for Ubuntu?
[10:00] <blue-frog> the opposite you mean
[10:01] <nandersson> blue-frog, Yes, could be - in what way do they complement eachother
[10:01] <blue-frog> no idea
[11:02] <j0nr> hello
[11:02] <j0nr> anyone able to help me set up vnc?
[11:03] <j0nr> I need an understanding to the difference between whether you log into an existing sessions or start a new one
[11:14] <ATA_Dark_Shadow> greetings, if you would need to choose a mailserver with very good connection to php, to send thousands of emails an hour, what would you choose? sendmail rather then qmail?
[11:15] <hads> Most MTAs can send a large amount of emails without difficulty.
[11:16] <xt> ATA_Dark_Shadow: postfix
[11:16] <ATA_Dark_Shadow> hmm
[11:17] <ATA_Dark_Shadow> ill try postfix then, as its already installed :)
[11:23] <hads> I'd be more worried about PHP than the choice of mail server
[11:27] <xt> truth (:
[12:43] <jdstrand> soren: can you accept my email to ubuntu-server ml. I think I got it all straightened out (finally)
[12:43] <soren> jdstrand: will do
[12:43] <jdstrand> soren: thanks
[12:44] <soren> done
[12:44] <jdstrand> \o/
[12:44]  * soren <3 listadmin
[12:44] <jdstrand> ?
[12:44] <soren> Yes, I'm hooking up file descriptor three to read from listadmin.
[12:44] <soren> (It's actually meant to resemble a heart)
[12:45] <jdstrand> ah-- sideways
[12:45] <soren> It's the way all the cool kids say that they like something.
[12:45] <henkjan> :)
[12:45] <jdstrand> with my aliased font, it really doesn't look much like a heart
[12:45] <soren> Yeah. I think kids use their computers lying down more than they used to. :) <3 etc.
[12:46] <jdstrand> heh
[12:46] <ogra> soren, see and i thought it was a damsel from the top (looking up)
[12:46]  * jdstrand I was really interested in soren's use of file descriptor 3 for a moment
[12:46] <jdstrand> s/I//
[12:47] <jdstrand> (darn third person references)
[12:47] <soren> jdstrand: That's where love is. Apparantly.
[12:47] <zul> morning
[12:47] <jdstrand> hi zul!
[12:47]  * soren finds it slightly confusing, too.
[12:47] <zul> hey jdstrand
[12:47] <soren> zul: Hey, Chuck.
[12:48] <zul> soren: Hey, Soren.
[12:48] <jdstrand> soren: love is found in file descriptor 3!?! neat-- that is an answer to one of life's great questions
[12:48] <soren> jdstrand: Yep. You heard it in #ubuntu-server first.
[12:48]  * soren breaks for few minutes
[12:48]  * jdstrand notes soren is useful for all sorts of things
[12:48] <zul> jdstrand: unless you are hans reiser
[12:49] <jdstrand> zul: dude, you're obsessed with that guy ;)
[12:49] <zul> jdstrand: i think the jokes are humorous
[12:49] <jdstrand> though I admit, I did see that thing on him last night (20/20?)
[12:50] <zul> he was on again last night/
[12:50] <zul> i think I was watching futurerama :)
[13:01] <kraut> what's the difference between 8.04.1 and 8.04?
[13:02] <Deeps> in windows lingo, service pack 1
[13:02] <kraut> ok, just another release
[13:02] <kraut> and from the point of a server-os, are there relevant changes?
[13:03] <Deeps> release info + changelog should have that info
[13:04] <kraut> ok
[13:04] <kraut> that info is missing on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases?highlight=(releases)
[13:06] <Deeps> kraut: release info as in the announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2008-July/000112.html
[13:12] <kraut> Deeps: thanks
[13:30] <sommer> morning
[13:31] <lukehasnoname> morning
[13:33] <zul> hi sommer
[13:50] <lukehasnoname> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=220529437#Features
[13:50] <lukehasnoname> rightmost column
[13:54] <dthacker> not funny
[13:55] <lukehasnoname> k
[14:03] <ScottK> lamont: Would you have a moment to put your Postfix maintainer hat on for a discussion?
[14:04] <lamont> meh.  just for you dear.
[14:04] <lamont> :-)
[14:05] <lamont> wassup?
[14:05] <ScottK> I'm trying to come up with a policy compliant way to automagically integrate amavisd-new into Postfix.
[14:05] <ScottK> All the main.cf stuff I can do through postconf.
[14:05] <lamont> main.cf changes: postconf -e.  master.cf changes: erk
[14:05] <ScottK> Yeah.
[14:06] <lamont> I'd welcome a patch to postconf (or new utility) to add/remove/edit bits in master.cf.....;
[14:06] <ScottK> Would you be willing to consider a helper script in the postfix package that would append the needed stuff on the end.
[14:06] <ScottK> Add I can do.  Remove is fraught with peril.
[14:06] <lamont> agreed
[14:07] <lamont> I was hoping you'd give me edit to. :))
[14:07] <ScottK> ;-)
[14:08] <ScottK> I was thinking something like postfix-add-filter $FILTERNAME $PORT_TO_LISTEN_ON
[14:08] <ScottK> With a man page to explain.
[14:09] <lamont> it'll take more args than that, I expect... like command args for example..
[14:09] <lamont> but yeah
[14:10] <ScottK> Start simple and standard and then add complexity as we go.  The amavisd-new docs have a very nice sample.
[14:10] <lamont> heh. yeah
[14:10] <lamont> sounds like a plan
[14:10] <ScottK> OK.
[14:10] <ScottK> Do you care if it's shell or python?
[14:11] <ScottK> lamont: ^^^
[14:12] <lamont> python has less scary auto-expansion crap in it/
[14:15] <zul> kirkland: ping me when you are around?
[14:16] <ScottK> Instead of pinging you when he's not around?
[14:19] <helfire> Is there a way to make an image of a remote server then transfer it to my desktop and use it as a virtual server?
[14:19] <helfire> like with dd or simialr
[14:19] <soren> Yes.
[14:20] <helfire> any guide or tips on how it's done :)
[14:20] <soren> with dd or simialr.
[14:21] <soren> I think it's easier if you tell me that parts you're not sure about.
[14:22] <helfire> haha, well i vaugly know how dd works. My server has only 1 partition so can i dd to the same partition i'm reading?
[14:22] <soren> No.
[14:22] <helfire> didnt think so
[14:23] <helfire> i can dd to a stream though, but my home connection is only 7mbps
[14:23] <helfire> so 16 gigs would take a while, but probably doable
[14:24] <soren> You can't shut the server down while you do it?
[14:24] <helfire> no it's remote colocated in FL and i'm in MN :)
[14:24] <soren> Is that Montana or Minnesota? I forget?
[14:24] <ScottK> Minnesota.
[14:24] <helfire> yup
[14:24] <soren> Ok, not *that* bad, then :)
[14:24] <ScottK> It's a long way either way.
[14:25] <ScottK> Compared to .dk, I guess not.
[14:25] <helfire> haha only a 300$ plane ticket now adays
[14:25] <soren> At any rate, I don't see how it being far away relates to whether you can shut it down?
[14:25] <helfire> and i'm sure they wouldnt let me in the server room
[14:25] <soren> What would you do if it crashed? Cry and buy a new one?
[14:25] <helfire> well i can shut it down i suppose, but how would that help me?
[14:25] <helfire> yes :P
[14:26] <soren> Well, most colo's that I know of offer some sort of recovery boot option. From there, I can access the hard drives and such without them being moutned.
[14:27] <helfire> hmm, i guess i havent looked into that
[14:27] <soren> So my question wasn't so much of a "can you reach the power button", but more of a "would a few hours of downtime be a huge problem"?
[14:27] <soren> Again:
[14:27] <soren> What would you do if it crashed? Cry and buy a new one?
[14:27] <helfire> downtime at night wouldnt be a problem
[14:27] <kirkland> zul: hey, give me a half hour or so to get my day going ;-)
[14:28] <zul> kirkland: sure ill be here
[14:28] <soren> Say you smashed your /etc/passwd and couldn't log in... What'd you do?
[14:28] <helfire> call them and figure out their recovery options
[14:28] <helfire> but i dont know them since i never have needed to use them
[14:30] <soren> The thing is... dd won't detect if stuff you've already read has changed and such, so if you dd a runnning system's drives off to somewhere else, the filesystem integrity is out the window.
[14:30] <soren> ...but if this is just for fun and giggles, that's probably not a bit problem.
[14:30] <soren> If, however, you're doing it to set up a serious testing environment of some kind, then it's one heck of a problme.
[14:30] <soren> problem, even.
[14:31] <helfire> this is just for fun
[14:31] <soren> no giggles?
[14:31] <helfire> never
[14:31] <soren> Oh. then i'm not sure.
[14:31] <soren> You could try.
[14:31] <soren> There's nothing lost (apart from time and bandwidth) if it doesn't work.
[14:32] <helfire> i could just install 7.10 in vmware, copy the user space and file i know i've changed in /etc/, get a list of installed programs from apt and sync them, it would be a realitivly close copy
[14:35] <soren> Oh, sure, if that's sufficient for you, just do that.
[14:35] <helfire> probably :)
[14:35] <soren> dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections are going to be handy.
[14:35] <helfire> thanks
[14:36] <soren> "dpkg --get-selections > foo.lst" on the source, and then "dpkg --set-selections < foo.lst ; dselect install" on the destinatino.
[14:36] <soren> destionation, even.
[14:36]  * soren is having a bad typing day
[14:37] <helfire> yup, that should be good enough for me. Will give that a go this weekend
[15:08] <zul> kirkland: ping so those patches have been blessed?
[15:12] <cl0s> i'm having trouble with installing ebox..
[15:12] <cl0s> getting this errror..
[15:12] <cl0s> dpkg: error processing ebox (--configure):
[15:12] <cl0s>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[15:12] <cl0s> Errors were encountered while processing:
[15:12] <cl0s>  ebox
[15:12] <cl0s> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:13] <cl0s> i tried to remove it, but i get the same error..
[15:14] <dexem> probably it's showing more related errors
[15:14] <cl0s> ubuntu 8.04 server ... only things its running/ has installed is openssh-server, vsftpd & svn server..
[15:15] <cl0s> ill paste bin the entire thing.. 1 sec.. by the way its the latest from launchpad that they recommend on the ubuntu wiki and ebox site..
[15:15] <cl0s> the repo version was giving me the same results also though..
[15:16] <cl0s> ubuntu repo*
[15:16] <cl0s> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26473/
[15:20] <kirkland> zul: okey doke, what up
[15:20] <kirkland> zul: break out the vial of holy penguin pee
[15:20] <zul> kirkland: those status patches have the go ahead now?
[15:20] <zul> eww :)
[15:21] <kirkland> zul: for the blessing
[15:21] <zul> kirkland: ok Ill do that now then
[15:21] <kirkland> zul: let me check my mail and see if I got any show stopping responses
[15:22] <zul> got the bug # handy as well?
[15:22] <soren> It's funny how "show stoppers" used to be a good thing.
[15:22] <kirkland> zul: start at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lsb/+bug/203169/comments/33
[15:22] <kirkland> that comment has links to all of the other bugs
[15:23] <zul> kirkland: merci buckets
[15:23] <soren> u has a bukkit?
[15:24] <zul> I do, its full of monkeys
[15:25] <soren> Wicked.
[15:27] <kirkland> zul: yep, no negative responses
[15:28] <kirkland> zul: those are ready then
[15:28] <zul> sweet
[15:28] <kirkland> zul: once Debian accepts the latest lsb-base patch, I'll push all of these to Debian
[15:29] <zul> kirkland: yep yep
[15:29] <kirkland> zul: also, i might need some MIR help from you today
[15:30] <kirkland> zul: dendrobates said you're da man for MIR's
[15:30] <zul> kirkland: sure
[15:34] <zul> kirkland: samba has already been taken care of correct?
[15:34] <zul> and lamont is ok with the one for bind?
[15:34] <kirkland> zul: slangasek "approved" it in IRC, but it doesn't look look like he's applied it yet
[15:35] <kirkland> zul: you can leave that one, if you want, and I'll ping slangasek in IRC later today
[15:35] <kirkland> zul: or you can apply it
[15:35] <kirkland> zul: see #ubuntu-devel yesterday
[15:35] <kirkland> zul: grep for "B+"
[15:35] <zul> kirkland: k
[15:35] <lamont> zul: and uploaded.. well, modulo fixing it for yesterdays thing
[15:35] <lamont> which will land in -3 sometime soonish
[15:36] <lamont> kirkland: I assume the syntax in -2 will still _work_ with the new status_of_proc, yes?
[15:36] <kirkland> lamont: yes, if you don't pass it a -p $pid
[15:36] <kirkland> lamont: -3 is needed if you want -p $pid
[15:36] <zul> kirkland: cjwatson ok with ssh as well?
[15:36] <kirkland> zul: I have not spoken with cjwatson
[15:37] <lamont> kirkland: that's what I'll be adding. :-)
[15:37] <kirkland> i can ping him, if you like
[15:37] <zul> kirkland: please
[15:37] <kirkland> okay, i'll move that over to #ubuntu-devel
[15:58] <cl0s> how would i search for and remove gconf modified keys set by ebox?
[16:02] <soren> mathiaz: I'm curious about the timeline for your openldap cn=config work?
[16:03] <mathiaz> soren: I'm planning to get something done by the end of this week so that I can get a review from slangasek during next week sprint
[16:03] <mathiaz> soren: are you looking for something particular in the cn=config migration ?
[16:03] <soren> mathiaz: Sounds great. I have a bit of a pet project that needs it :)
[16:03] <mathiaz> soren: a new feature ?
[16:04] <mathiaz> soren: what would you require ?
[16:04] <soren> If just cn=config would be enabled by default, that would should be more than enough.
[16:05] <mathiaz> soren: well - you can already setup cn=config - you just need to convert slapd.conf manually and modify /etc/default/slapd to point to your /etc/ldap/slapd.d/ directory
[16:05] <soren> Sure, I know.
[16:05] <mathiaz> soren: slapd already supports cn=config for quiet some time
[16:06] <soren> ..but is this is going to be the default from now on, I'm not going to spend time automating that process for my little use case.
[16:07] <soren> And I do believe this is going to be the default, right?
[16:07] <mathiaz> soren: yes - that's my plan
[16:07] <soren> Good.
[16:08] <soren> I might try to sell my little pet project to one of you guys next week :)
[16:23] <kirkland> mathiaz: zul: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InitScriptStatusActions when you get a chance
[16:23] <kirkland> I put step-by-step instructions in there for adding status actions to init scripts
[16:24] <kirkland> mathiaz: zul: as soon as Debian's lsb takes the patch, I'll merge lsb again for Intrepid, and then I'll send a note out to the ubuntu-server@ mailing list asking for some volunteers
[16:25] <zul> kirkland: sounds good to me
[16:25] <kirkland> zul: since you've looked at a bunch of these patches now, you might have additional advice to add to that page
[16:26] <zul> kirkland: sure I can think of openvpn at the top of my head
[16:26] <kirkland> zul: oh, well, i meant more the instructions for how to create/test/submit an appropriate patch for this
[16:27] <kirkland> zul: i link to owh's page where he has lists of packages that need this
[16:27] <mathiaz> jdstrand: kees: what's the state of bug 227464 ?
[16:28] <kirkland> mathiaz: jdstrand: kees: fwiw, I have a php5.2.6 for Hardy built in my PPA, if that helps your testing/review
[16:29] <jdstrand> mathiaz: kees is handling that one, but we'll talk about it
[16:29] <jdstrand> kirkland: that is most helpful
[17:18] <lamont> so after I create the file in /etc/event.d, how do I make whatever decide to notice that it's there?
[18:00] <bdmurray> kirkland: doc search rules
[18:01] <kirkland> bdmurray: ;-)  i like your enthusiasm
[18:01] <kirkland> bdmurray: have you seen the manpage archive I created?
[18:01] <kirkland> bdmurray: http://ubuntu.dustinkirkland.com/manpages/
[18:01] <bdmurray> kirkland: no, not yet.  I like how doc search can help augment my memory
[18:02] <kirkland> bdmurray: the manpage repo is nice for reading manpages that you don't have installed on your system
[18:02] <kirkland> bdmurray: or perhaps from older/newer ubuntu versions that you have installed on your system
[18:03] <kirkland> bdmurray: if I could bribe kees into auditing the code, I could get it onto ubuntu.com :-P
[18:04] <bdmurray> kirkland: maybe you'll get that chance next week!
[18:04] <kirkland> bdmurray: true dat.  you're in London, I assume?
[18:05] <bdmurray> kirkland: Indeed, that made the most sense
[18:16] <mm_202> Hey guys, is there a way to get chown / chmod to affect hidden files / dirs as well?  I do a 'chmod -R a+r *', but it skips '.svn', etc..
[18:18] <kees> mm_202: I use "." instead of "*" for that.
[18:19] <mm_202> hmm.  Yep, that makes sense.
[18:19] <mm_202> Thank you, kees!
[18:19] <kees> mm_202: your shell expands the "*" to all non-hidden files before chmod goes recursive on your list.  using "." means chmod does the recursion from "."
[18:19] <kees> mm_202: np :)
[18:20] <mm_202> heh, yeah, forgot about the shell expandion...
[19:18] <kirkland> zul: can you review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportEcryptfsUtils
[19:20] <zul> kirkland: looks good to me
[19:20] <kirkland> zul: thanks.  now what?
[19:21] <kirkland> :-P
[19:21] <zul> kirkland: file a bug in launchpad subscribe ubuntu-mir and wait
[19:22] <kirkland> zul: k
[19:22] <kirkland> zul: one bug per MIR, or per batch?
[19:22] <kirkland> zul: I have a total of 5 that go together
[19:22] <zul> one bug per MIR
[19:29] <W8TAH>  hi folks -- im running samba on ubuntu hardy server -- working with my MS active directory -- user authentication works a treat -- but members of the group cannot access the folder even though the folder is 770
[19:34] <W8TAH> smb.conf is at http://www.pastebin.ca/1068355
[19:37] <ScottK> kirkland: When I have several that are related, I mention that in the bug.
[19:37] <kirkland> ScottK: separate bugs?
[19:37] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:37] <kirkland> ScottK: one per MIR?
[19:37] <kirkland> k
[19:37] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:45] <kirkland> zul: can you add your name as a reviewer of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportEcryptfsUtils if you're happy with it?
[19:45] <warchief_ryan> anyone know why my server box was unresponsive when I woke up? I guess mainly the interface as I was still able to reboot it once I got the keyboard out...
[19:46] <zul> kirkland: consider it dne
[19:46] <kirkland> zul: can you review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportPkcs11Helper next?
[19:47] <sommer> warchief_ryan: did you have a balanced breakfast before checking it?
[19:47] <warchief_ryan> not really
[19:47] <W8TAH>  hi folks -- im running samba on ubuntu hardy server -- working with my MS active directory -- user authentication works a treat -- but members of the group cannot access the folder even though the folder is 770
[19:47] <W8TAH> smb.conf is at http://www.pastebin.ca/1068355
[19:47] <zul> kirkland: I was doing that one as well this morning: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MIRpkcs11
[19:47] <sommer> warchief_ryan: that explains it :-)
[19:48] <kirkland> zul: no way :-)
[19:48] <kirkland> zul: for what?
[19:48] <zul> there was a request to add smartcard support for openvpn
[19:48] <zul> and I thought it was a good idea
[19:48] <kirkland> gotcha
[19:48] <sommer> W8TAH: is it a unix group or an AD group?
[19:49] <W8TAH> AD group
[19:49]  * kirkland goes read zul's MIR for MIRpkcs11
[19:49] <zul> kirkland: lets merge them
[19:49] <kirkland> zul: k
[19:49] <sommer> W8TAH: does Samba know about the AD group?
[19:49] <warchief_ryan> W8TAH: check the shares owner/group
[19:49] <W8TAH> yes - it does --
[19:49] <kirkland> zul: Upstream is vigorous.  :-)
[19:49] <W8TAH> owner is set to my user
[19:49] <kirkland> zul: it hasn't been touched since 2007-12
[19:49] <W8TAH> group is set to the all faculty group
[19:49] <kirkland> zul: I called that "calm"
[19:49] <W8TAH> which my user is part of
[19:50] <kirkland> zul: how about I add your differences to my report, and you review mine?
[19:53] <zul> kirkland: sure update the bug number in your report and then delete mine
[19:54] <kirkland> zul: done, review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportPkcs11Helper and add your name to the bottom
[19:54] <kirkland> zul: still saving ....
[19:54] <kirkland> saved
[19:56] <zul> kirkland: done
[19:57] <kirkland> zul: deleted your page with a message pointing to the merged named
[20:03] <warchief_ryan> was about to say why hes using 'inherit permissions = yes nt, acl support = yes'
[20:05] <warchief_ryan> with the forces
[20:05] <warchief_ryan> and to check the permissions
[20:05] <warchief_ryan> im out
[20:10] <zul> kirkland: and update the bug as well
[20:10] <kirkland> k
[20:39] <kirkland> zul: next one for you.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportTrousers
[21:07] <ph8> how do i see all bugs in ubuntu server? do you just grab general ubuntu bugs that could be server related?
[21:17] <mathiaz> ph8: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs is a good place to start
[21:20] <ph8> thanks mathiaz, and how do i know which packages not to bother with (ones that will be dealt with by 'upstream' is the terminology?)
[21:21] <mathiaz> ph8: none - we're all looking after all the bugs in there
[21:21] <mathiaz> ph8: I'm not sure what you mean exactly
[21:21] <mathiaz> ph8: all the bugs listed there have been reported by Ubuntu users - so they need to be triagged correclty
[21:22] <ph8> well for example, a while back i put in a patch for a simple mysql bash script that had a bug against it, but my patch was overriden because the debian team fixed it
[21:22] <ph8> ah ok, i'll read the wiki about the procedure
[21:31] <ph8> what do you do when a bug is the responsibility of the php devs for example? Leave it open till they amend php and the MOTU have put it into a package?
[21:38] <gegema> My server time seems to always fall behind for some reason. At first install it was about 8 mins behind. I did an ntpdate (ntp.ubuntu.com) to sync it.... but it was still falling behind. I tried adding the ntpdate command asa CRON job but kep on getting errors from CRON.
[21:38] <gegema> 1) Why does the server time keep on falling behind? ( I haven't noticed this on my Desktop)
[21:38] <gegema> 2) how do I enter CRON jobs that need to run as root?
[21:39] <gegema> PS. cron.daily was done per instructions on http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/NTP.html
[21:39] <sommer> gegema: sudo crontab -e
[21:39] <sommer> for number 2
[21:40] <sommer> for number 1... could be the battery on your mother board, or another hardware issue
[21:40] <kirkland> zul: hey, you still around?
[21:40] <gegema> sommer, yeah but if ntpdate needs to run as root and I just enter the ntpdate command in cron, will it run as root?
[21:40] <sommer> gegema: if it's in root's crontab then yeppers
[21:41] <gegema> Cool deal... now I need a refresher on cron entries
[21:41] <gegema> sommer: Thanks!
[21:41] <sommer> np
[22:21] <quatroking> Hello
[22:22] <quatroking> I was wondering, what packets do I need to run a LAMP?
[22:24] <quatroking> Anyone?
[22:25] <Brazen> "sudo apt-get install php5-mysql mysql-server" should pull in everything you need.
[22:25] <quatroking> thank you.
[22:26] <Brazen> php5-mysql will automatically pull in Apache and the php module as dependencies.
[22:26] <quatroking> Alright.
[22:26] <Nafallo> there is some magic to install the task as well.
[22:26] <quatroking> It should all work in Xubuntu, right?
[22:26] <Nafallo> I can never remember what the magic is though :-/
[22:27] <quatroking> Ubutnu Server Edition won't seem to install my network card.
[22:27] <quatroking> *ubuntu
[22:27] <Nafallo> quatroking: sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
[22:27] <Nafallo> :-)
[22:28] <quatroking> sounds even easier.
[22:29] <Brazen> depending on the version of Ubuntu, there may not be a "lamp-server" metapackage.
[22:29] <quatroking> Its kinda strange how the Server edition wont install my network cards, while Xubuntu does
[22:30] <quatroking> But at least I now directly have a handy GUI I like.
[22:30] <Brazen> that IS strange
[22:30] <Nafallo> Brazen: I'm pretty sure that existed in dapper already?
[22:33] <Brazen> Nafallo: I double checked on a Dapper server and aptitude did not find it.
[22:34] <Nafallo> Brazen: strange. I checked on LP and php5 seems to have some relation to that.
[22:34] <Nafallo> anyway. why would someone install the previous LTS now?
[22:35] <quatroking> Couldn't find the lamp-server package in 8.04
[22:35] <Nafallo> quatroking: not a package. it's a task. hence the ^ behind
[22:35] <quatroking> oh.
[22:35] <quatroking> well it couldn't find the task then.
[22:35] <quatroking> its now downloading the php and mysql stuff
[22:36] <Nafallo> that sounds quite extremely odd.
[22:36] <Brazen> I still use Dapper, but that's because I know it inside out and haven't taken the time to QA Hardy yet.
[22:36] <quatroking> oh, it was a
[22:36] <quatroking> ^
[22:36] <quatroking> i've read *
[22:36] <quatroking> will try again after its done with the php and mysql
[22:37] <quatroking> Is it hard to configure mysql by the way?
[22:38] <quatroking> I'm used to configuring it on webhosts, not on an own server
[22:38] <Brazen> You can put phpmyadmin on your lamp server
[22:38] <quatroking> Awesome, i've worked with that before.
[22:40] <Brazen> There is a package for it, but I prefer to download the sources.  It's all just regular php files.
[22:41] <quatroking> those can be used to configure the server from other pc's through the web, right?
[22:41] <quatroking> just like they do on webhosts
[22:41] <Brazen> yes, from any computer that can access the website being hosted on the server.
[22:41] <quatroking> just insert the login data and full access.
[22:42] <quatroking> thats a lot easier than I tought
[22:42] <Brazen> yes, there is a little bit of setup, but it's been too long since I've done it to get to specific.  I think you just browse to a setup page, put in your database server information and then it creates a config file for you.
[22:43] <Brazen> Then you just login and go nuts.
[22:43] <quatroking> nice.
[22:43] <quatroking> Just like IPB andphpBB, just install it with a page and everything is configured already
[22:44] <Brazen> yeah
[22:45] <quatroking> Alright, the LAMP is installed.
[22:45] <quatroking> install the phpmyadmin sources now?
[22:46] <Brazen> browse to http://localhost first to make sure Apache is workinng
[22:46] <quatroking> lets see
[22:46] <zul> kirkland: im quasi around
[22:47] <quatroking> haha, Ït Works!
[22:47] <kirkland> zul: ogey doke...  just filed the mir bug for ecryptfs-utils https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/247400
[22:47] <zul> kirkland: nifty
[22:47] <kirkland> zul: but also, i have a patch that significantly simplifies the MIR for ecryptfs-utils: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/247389
[22:48] <kirkland> zul: there are a couple of not useful, not required build deps that should be removed
[22:48] <quatroking> brazen: install the myphpadmin sources now/
[22:48] <quatroking> ?
[22:48] <Brazen> quatroking: then yeah, you should just be able to extract the sources to the document root (I think it's like /var/www/html_docs) and then browse to the setup file
[22:49] <kirkland> zul: I've filed it with Debian upstream too: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490233
[22:49] <Brazen> quatroking: you'll probably have to read the phpmyadmin documentation to find out exactly what file you have to browse to.
[22:49] <quatroking> How can I obtain full rights to var/www/ again?
[22:49] <zul> kirkland: you want me to sponsor that upload tomorrow?
[22:49] <kirkland> zul: yes, if the Debian maintainer doesn't take it immediately
[22:50] <kirkland> zul: i suspect he will
[22:50] <zul> kirkland: nifty if he does we can merge it if he doesnt then we will upload it
[22:50] <zul> and im off to the park with liam
[22:51] <Brazen> quatroking: I would use sudo to copy the files in there, or else chown the directory to your username ( " sudo chown -R username /var/www" )
[22:51] <quatroking> okay
[22:51] <kirkland> zul: adios
[22:52] <lamont> so after I create something in /etc/event.d - how do I make the system notice?
[23:25] <ScottK> kees or jdstrand: I'm uncertain if Bug #247409 should remain private or not.  I'd appreciate it if you'd look and see.