[00:56] <vorian> evening
[01:40] <vorian> anyone else have keyboard failure in kdm?
[01:40] <Mythor_> version? what failure?
[01:40] <vorian> my keyboard works fine w/out X
[01:40] <vorian> intrepid
[01:41] <Mythor_> works fine here
[01:41] <vorian> hmm
[01:41] <vorian> the odd thing is my touchpad works, and trackpoint
[01:41] <vorian> (laptop)
[01:42] <Mythor_> worked before?
[01:42] <vorian> yes
[01:43] <vorian> well, friday night it did
[01:44] <Mythor_> sorry, dont have an idea
[01:44] <vorian> roger
[01:45] <vorian> brb
[01:57] <nixternal> The following packages have been kept back: libkdcraw-dev libkexiv2-dev
[01:57] <nixternal> what's the story with that? been a couple of weeks now and I still have that....need to fixy fixy
[02:39] <Hobbsee> install them manually
[03:01] <papabean> Will there be another KubuntuTutorialsDay?
[03:12] <kduser> papabean: Ah Yeah I think so
[05:06] <emma> :)
[06:54] <supert0nes> kubuntuTutorialsDay must inclue plasma
[06:57] <kduser> for?
[07:24] <Tm_T> ryanakca: you're the man I should poke if new kubuntu.org doesn't render perfectly in Konqueror?
[10:15] <davmor2> Riddelll: Why the big window around the install icon on intrepid?
[10:21] <davmor2> Riddelll: The install button doesn't seem to do anything either
[11:36] <allee> How do others debug/explore pykde4/qt4 scripts?  It would help a bit if at least app.exec_() could be convinced to do it's work in bg and immediately return and give a python prompt when python -i debugme.py is used
[11:55] <Riddelll> davmor2: that'll just be plasma doing its thing
[11:55] <Riddelll> allee: well it's a main loop, wouldn't be much use if it returned
[11:55] <Riddelll> you can use kApplication.processEvents()
[12:04] <davmor2> Riddelll: But still why so big it takes up a third of the screen for 2 icons
[12:08] <Riddelll> I've not looked at it, but 1/3rd of the screen is 2/3rds less than most icon views take up on the desktop
[12:15] <nixternal> Riddelll: I never got that email from ya, so I am guessing you didn't need me to help out
[12:47] <gnomefreak> has anyone done amarok2 for intrepid?
[12:47] <allee> Riddelll: well the mainloop could, poll, wait for readline input too ;)
[12:48] <allee> Riddelll: that how it was done in the perl/tk shell
[12:49] <allee> Riddelll: I'll try processEvents() ...
[13:02] <Nightrose> gnomefreak: apachelogger was working on it
[13:02] <Nightrose> afaik
[13:03] <gnomefreak> Nightrose: i know he was working on it for Hardy but libtools(or whatever it was) was too low a version to do it in Hardy at this time it needs 1.5
[13:04] <Nightrose> k
[14:27] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:27] <apachelogger> ok
[14:27] <apachelogger> is just me or is bug 45843 == bug 45846
[14:56] <Xand3r> hi @ all
[14:56] <jtechidna> apachelogger: I'd say so
[14:56] <Xand3r> apachelogger: please look in the querry
[14:56] <apachelogger> there is no query
[14:57] <Xand3r> apachelogger: never mind
[14:57]  * apachelogger never minds
[14:57] <Xand3r> ^^
[14:58] <Xand3r> i start to hate qt apps
[14:58] <Xand3r> some times they use the colore sheme sometimes not
[15:00] <allee> sed -ie 's/QApplicatin/KApplication/'
[15:02]  * apachelogger blames KDE
[15:03] <Xand3r> allee: dont understand waht you mean
[15:05] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what has allee said?
[15:06] <allee> Xand3r: sorry, this wasn't meant serious:  is qt (app) sucks make ist a kde (app)
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> Don't forget the KCmdLineArgs!
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:06] <apachelogger> +1
[15:07] <allee> JontheEchidna: pimp my qtapp :)
[15:07] <Xand3r> allee: do you think it would work?
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> Xand3r: you mean porting the app to KDE?
[15:08] <Xand3r> jea
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> That would probably get it to respect the color scheme
[15:08] <Xand3r> hey that i will do later on, thx
[15:09] <Xand3r> cya, i am going to do some sports
[15:48]  * freeflying 
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> Bug 216408 <-wtf?
[15:56] <freeflying> sorry, type wrong
[16:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: rofl
[16:37] <apachelogger> I think
[16:37] <apachelogger> his splash is b0rked
[16:37] <apachelogger> "there used to be a set of widgets that appeared as the login completed booting showing system tools , internet, multimedia etc."
[16:37] <apachelogger> that appears to be the normal splash content as represented by the appropriate icons
[16:38] <apachelogger> now there is a small box approximatly 2000%^%2000 pixels that has a line prompt for these actions
[16:38] <apachelogger> that is the b0rkage
[16:38] <apachelogger> though I can't really imagine how that would look like
[16:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ask him to provide a photo or something
[16:38] <apachelogger> oh
[16:38] <apachelogger> thinking about it
[16:39] <apachelogger> it might well be that we are facing an broken compability
[16:39] <apachelogger> anyway, I can't imagine how that line prompt looks ;-)
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> ah
[16:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I probably need hardy+ppa4 testers for amarok some time soon
[16:46] <Nightrose> ai
[16:49] <daskreecH> hi manchicken
[16:49] <apachelogger> Riddelll: is someone on 4.0.98 yet?
[16:49] <manchicken> hiya
[16:52] <Riddelll> apachelogger: nope
[16:53] <yuriy> would that be RC?
[16:54] <apachelogger> Riddelll: I could start with kde4libs
[16:56] <apachelogger> yuriy: pretty much so
[17:00] <yuriy> do y'all think bug 243683 needs to be fixed in Hardy?
[17:02] <Nightrose> yuriy: pusling fied it upstream afaik
[17:02] <Nightrose> *fixed
[17:02] <yuriy> yes, in trunk
[17:02] <Nightrose> jep
[17:02] <apachelogger> yuriy: +1
[17:07] <Riddelll> apachelogger: that would be most excellent.  do you have access to ktown?
[17:08] <apachelogger> Riddelll: ... I used to be the amarok release dude ;-)
[17:08] <apachelogger> kdelibs building
[17:16] <Riddelll> nixternal: Ii  dde--mail  butI guess  itwent to your spam folder or something
[17:17] <Riddelll> gosh, what happened to that line
[17:17] <nixternal> alcohol? :)
[17:17] <nixternal> I will check my spam folder
[17:17] <Riddelll> nixternal: I did e-mail but I guess it went to your spam folder or something
[17:17] <yuriy> apachelogger: to fix this in 4.0.5, do I put hardy-backports in the changelog?
[17:17] <Riddelll> nixternal: I don't know what the current state of alpha 2 is, maybe davmor2 knows
[17:18] <apachelogger> yuriy: hardy-proposed
[17:18] <Riddelll> I heard they were all horribly oversized
[17:18] <yuriy> apachelogger: but this is not for updates, the bug isn't in 4.0.3 iirc
[17:18] <apachelogger> hm
[17:18] <apachelogger> then, yes hardy-backports
[17:19] <apachelogger> Riddelll: bug 244293
[17:19] <nixternal> Riddelll: I have on spam message from you:
[17:19] <nixternal> Riddell to ubuntu-motu-ow.
[17:19] <nixternal> show details Jul 3 (8 days ago)
[17:19] <nixternal> Reply
[17:19] <nixternal> Erase all doubts about your masculinity with your brand new pecker
[17:19] <nixternal> http://www.qualitystand.com/
[17:19] <nixternal> hahahahahahahahahahahaha
[17:19] <apachelogger> there were times kubuntu didn't ship libmad :S
[17:20] <nixternal> Riddelll: found it....interesting that I didn't get it at home, but it is in gmail
[17:20] <yuriy> Riddelll: or should I put hardy and upload to kubuntu-updates-testing?
[17:36] <yuriy> I could also backport the fix to bug 205517 from upstream, but I'm not sure about that one since I haven't run into that problem
[17:40] <yuriy> If the upstream fix included changes to tests, and adding a test, is it OK to not include that if the patch doesn't apply?
[17:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do we have some testers?
[17:44] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i have a list of people for tarball testing
[17:44] <Nightrose> a few of them use kubuntu
[17:44] <Nightrose> i can mail them
[17:44] <Nightrose> or ask in #amarok
[17:44] <Nightrose> depending on how fast you need it
[17:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you do :P
[17:45] <Nightrose> which of the two? ;-)
[17:45] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:45] <apachelogger> both
[17:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: KDE 4 PPA + deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/apachelogger/ubuntu hardy main
[17:45] <apachelogger> install amarok-kde4
[17:45] <Nightrose> k
[17:45] <Nightrose> which folder does it use for settings?
[17:45] <Nightrose> .kde4?
[17:46] <Riddelll> apachelogger: commented on bug 244293
[17:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: just like the rest of kde4 ppa :P
[17:46] <Nightrose> k
[17:46] <Riddelll> yuriy: I don't know what the question is but updates go to hardy-proposed
[17:46] <Nightrose> just making sure
[17:46] <apachelogger> Riddelll: thanks
[17:47] <yuriy> Riddelll: bug 243683, it's in 4.0.5 but I don't think it's in 4.0.3
[17:48] <Riddelll> yuriy: ah, then not -proposed
[17:49] <yuriy> Riddelll: If the upstream fix included changes to tests, and adding a test, is it OK to not include that if the patch doesn't apply?
[17:53] <Riddelll> yuriy: yes
[17:55]  * Mez slaps Riddell
[17:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger: mail send and asked/added to topic in #amarok
[17:58] <daskreecH> hey Mez
[17:58] <Mez> hi
[18:01] <daskreecH> how are you?
[18:01] <daskreecH> Busy I know :)
[18:04] <Xand3r> JontheEchidna: hi , you hade the great idea with porting an qt app to kde, can you help me with taht?
[18:05] <yuriy> aw the fix doesn't apply cleanly :(
[18:05]  * yuriy thought that was gonna be easy
[18:06] <daskreecH> yuriy: Always think it's going to be ridiculously hard. That way at worst you are satatied and at best very pleasently surprised :)
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> Xand3r: Actually it wasn't my idea <.<
[18:10] <Xand3r> hmm
[18:10] <Xand3r> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=screenie-qt done the change please upload it, thx a lot
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> and unless it's written in python I couldn't help anyway
[18:11] <Xand3r> where could be a problem that the color sheme s not used in qt apps everytime?
[18:14] <apachelogger> Xand3r: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev (>=4.4)
[18:15] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ?
[18:15] <apachelogger> please either use (>=1.1) or (>= 1.1)
[18:15] <apachelogger> either whitespace or no whitespace
[18:15] <apachelogger> :P
[18:15] <apachelogger> *uploading*
[18:15] <Xand3r> ah ok
[18:15] <Xand3r> apachelogger: thx
[18:20] <apachelogger> hum
[18:20]  * apachelogger is top contributor today, this week and this month at 5-a-day
[18:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: any test results yet?
[18:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: Myriam is testing right now and some guy in #amarok
[18:22] <apachelogger> cool
[18:23] <klerfayt> apachelogger: how do you "forward a bug"? bug 243820
[18:25] <apachelogger> klerfayt: copy the original description and add the launchpad bug URL
[18:25] <apachelogger> then attach the backtrace
[18:28] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what could be the reason that qt apps not use the colorcheme fully?
[18:28] <apachelogger> qt bug
[18:28] <apachelogger> kdelibs bug
[18:28] <Xand3r> hmm
[18:28] <Xand3r> ok, than i have to live wit it
[18:28] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what do you define as 'fully' anyway?
[18:28] <Nightrose> apachelogger: myriam's error: http://pastebin.com/d7444a66a
[18:29] <Xand3r> apachelogger: the text uses the colorsheme the background not
[18:29] <apachelogger> uah
[18:29] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you guys should add a note to the cmake output
[18:30] <apachelogger> "libplasma not found, going to install necessary plasma files blah blah"
[18:30] <apachelogger> Xand3r: sounds funky ;-)
[18:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: k - telling the guys
[18:31] <Xand3r> apachelogger: but if i use the standart sheme, everything is fine
[18:32] <klerfayt> apachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166315
[18:33] <klerfayt> wow. smart bot ;-)
[18:33] <klerfayt> Xand3r: using kate?
[18:33] <Xand3r> yes
[18:33] <klerfayt> Xand3r: which kde? 3?
[18:34] <Xand3r> 4
[18:34] <Xand3r> nightly build
[18:34] <Xand3r> hardy
[18:34] <klerfayt> Xand3r: you probably saved the color scheme setting in kate, that is why it won't use the background of overall kde color scheme
[18:35] <klerfayt> Xand3r: I could be wrong though ;-) (haven't used kde4 for some days)
[18:35] <Xand3r> klerfayt: what do you mean with sved in kate? i changed the settings with in "systemsettings" -> "apperance"
[18:37] <klerfayt> Xand3r: from my own experience with kde3 - whenever you save whatever settings in kate, the color scheme won't be applied fully next time
[18:37] <apachelogger> klerfayt: thank you very much
[18:37] <klerfayt> no problem
[18:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: uploading new package
[18:38] <Nightrose> ok :)
[18:52] <yuriy> apachelogger: oh, is 5-a-day fixed now?
[18:52] <apachelogger> yuriy: fixed?
[18:53] <daskreecH> There are less than 5 bugs to triage?
[18:53] <daskreecH> :)
[18:54] <yuriy> apachelogger: it wasn't working for me last I tried it, and a couple people in #ubuntu-bugs confirmed it ( Nightrose?)
[18:54] <Nightrose> yea
[18:54] <Nightrose> b0rked for me
[18:54] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:54] <Nightrose> doesn't submit
[18:55] <apachelogger> what's the error
[18:55] <apachelogger> ?
[18:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ~15 minutes until the new package is available
[18:57] <Nightrose> ok :)
[19:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: available
[19:26] <Nightrose> k will tell them
[19:27] <ScottK> yuriy: For guidance-power-manager, we need to go through the existing bugs and see which ones still apply to the KDE4 version and then move the bugs there.  Wishlist stuff should just move and stuff that's not SRU worthy should get won'tfixed in kde-guidance.
[19:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: installs fine here now - trying to get a collection now
[19:36] <Nightrose> songs play fine
[19:41] <Xand3r> btw Nightrose my amarok nightlydoesnt creat the collection
[19:41] <Xand3r> it scans my data but after nothing hapens
[19:41] <Nightrose> delete your collection.db
[19:41] <Nightrose> there were changes to the db scheme that might screw it up
[19:41] <Xand3r> Nightrose: found where?
[19:42] <Nightrose> ~/.amarok-nightly/share/apps/amarok
[19:42] <Xand3r> Nightrose: thx
[19:42] <Nightrose> yw
[19:44] <Xand3r> Nightrose: when will the lyric widget complete available
[19:44] <Nightrose> when Liw finishes it ;-)
[19:44] <Nightrose> really I have no idea
[19:45] <Xand3r> hmm
[19:47] <yuriy> ScottK: already working on that for other kde packages, I'll add power manager to the list of bugs for next hug day if we're not done with that by tuesday
[19:48] <ScottK> OK.
[19:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: package works fine I'd say
[20:07] <Xand3r> ScottK: screenie-qt is now ready for backportm could you do this?
[20:07] <ScottK> Sure.  What's the bug?
[20:11] <Xand3r> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/244959
[20:11] <Xand3r> thx a lot
[20:40] <Xand3r> hi if a package depends on an other package from backports, have i to include the backport to my ppa depends that it works?
[20:41] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ^
[20:43] <Xand3r> vorian: hi
[20:43] <Nightrose> apachelogger: 2 other successful tests
[20:43] <Nightrose> works fine for them
[20:44] <ScottK> Xand3r: I need a statement in the bug that the new revision builds, installs, and runs on Hardy.
[20:46] <davmor2> Riddell: you rang me lord?
[20:52] <Xand3r> ScottK: i gave the statment
[20:53] <Xand3r> ScottK: have i to include the backports in my ppa if i want to build something with the backport qt?
[20:53] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:53] <ScottK> Xand3r: Approved.  Generally you should set it to confirmed after you test it.
[20:54] <ScottK> Not needed in this case though.
[20:55]  * ScottK notes gnomefreak is conviently absent after nixternal complained about is Flash backport.
[21:08] <nixternal> ScottK: :)
[21:10] <kyleprager> can someone help my trouble shoot my Hardy 8.04 install freezing up on me during normal use?
[21:10] <kyleprager> my search through system logs hasnt turned up anything
[21:11] <ScottK> kyleprager: You probably want #kubuntu for that.
[21:11] <kyleprager> i just tried in there but no one responded for about 15 minutes... its pretty dead in there.  just thought i'd check in here too
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> By the way, good job guys, only 399 bugs left in kdebase!
[21:23] <yuriy> gj JontheEchidna
[21:23] <yuriy> btw, dholbach's harvest is being pretty useful
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: Plus apachelogger and maybe a few others
[21:26] <yuriy> geez though, 399 is still a lot. hope most of those are upstream
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: That's +wishlists too
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> Which guidance modules are dying in Intrepid?
[21:30] <yuriy> powermanager is in its own package now
[21:30] <ScottK> Everything else dies.
[21:30] <yuriy> userconfig i believe is being ported
[21:31] <ScottK> OK.  Not that.
[21:31] <ScottK> How about mountconfig?
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> mountconfig was what I was wondering about
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> afaik there isn't a kcm module for hard disk management
[21:32] <yuriy> userconfig and mountconfig are supposed to be ported but there isn't anybody doing that according to the wiki
[21:32] <yuriy> though I thought someone had volunteered
[21:32]  * JontheEchidna should have checked the todo
[21:41] <yuriy> debdiff attached to bug 243683 please test
[21:59] <yuriy> Riddelll: would bug 241916 go for SRU? there is a patch attached
[22:01] <Riddelll> yuriy: seems a sensible one yes
[22:02] <ScottK> nixternal: If you force remove liflashsupport, does the Flash backport magically improve?
[22:18] <nixternal> ScottK: libflashsupport has been gone
[22:18] <nixternal> doesn't help
[22:19] <ScottK> OK.
[22:19] <ScottK> Urgh.
[22:20] <ScottK> Still no gnomefreak either.
[22:20] <nixternal> I am not the only one with this issue, every poor sap that I told to update is hating me right now in this office :)
[22:20] <nixternal> suckahs!
[22:20] <ScottK> You know backports is crack.  Every now and then we need to prove it.
[22:21]  * ScottK is open to suggestions on how to fix it.
[22:21] <nixternal> backports has been good to me, but we backported a package that adobe labs said to not use until it got fixed
[22:21] <nixternal> ScottK: remove it and wait for the next update if possible
[22:22] <ScottK> Urgh.
[22:23] <ScottK> Riddelll: Can you do a removal from hardy-backports?
[22:24]  * nixternal gets ready to head home and enjoy the weekend....I am totally free this weekend so if you need some Kubuntu work done, message me or highlight me :P
[22:24] <nixternal> later!
[22:25] <ScottK> Riddelll: If you get a moment and you can, I'd appreciate removal of the packages that were backported in Bug 235135
[23:10] <ryanakca> Tm_T: yes, I just got back from a week long vacation, can you poke me on Sunday? I'll be gone again tomorrow :/
[23:12] <vorian> howdy
[23:16] <apachelogger> re
[23:16] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I just copied the packages over to the kde4 ppa
[23:16] <Nightrose> nice :)
[23:26]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger and snoozes
[23:26] <Nightrose> nini :)
[23:26] <apachelogger> nini Nightrose
[23:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nice flood :S
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Bug report wise?
[23:28] <apachelogger> aye
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> ^_^