| beuno | Rinchen, https://help.launchpad.net/FAQ | 00:27 |
|---|---|---|
| beuno | *ugly* | 00:27 |
| beuno | now, I'm off to bed :) | 00:27 |
| LarstiQ | beuno: sleep well :) | 00:30 |
| Rinchen | beuno, thanks. Fixed as best I could | 00:42 |
| bbyever | hi | 00:50 |
| bbyever | is there a problem with staging.lp.net? | 00:51 |
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| bbyever | also, how can i register a project under a team? | 00:53 |
| Rinchen | bbyever, looking now | 00:58 |
| bbyever | thanks, Rinchen | 00:58 |
| Rinchen | has been offline for a bit. thought it might have been the normal update but it's taking a bit longer than it should be | 00:58 |
| Rinchen | bbyever, you can register a project and then change the owner to a team | 00:59 |
| bbyever | ok | 00:59 |
| bbyever | ah ok | 00:59 |
| bbyever | thanks | 00:59 |
| Rinchen | bbyever, not quite sure what's going on there. It's not a production machine (hence staging) so I can't wake up a sysadmin to look at it. | 01:02 |
| Rinchen | bbyever, the box is alive but it's possible the application server on it has died for some reason. Will be interesting to see why | 01:02 |
| Rinchen | bbyever, well, one of our sysadmins who doesn't sleep just kicked it and it's back | 01:04 |
| bbyever | great, thanks! | 01:04 |
| bbyever | i have another question. What is the best license that LP offers at project registration for things that are not software, like documentation and such? | 01:05 |
| Rinchen | bbyever, I'm not a lawyer...but a lot of folks use CC or GFDL | 01:05 |
| bbyever | but CC doesnt appear at the project registration page... | 01:06 |
| bbyever | Rinchen, unless its under some other name... Im not very experienced with this... | 01:08 |
| * LarstiQ would try to stay away from the GFDL. | 01:08 | |
| LarstiQ | bbyever: if you don't care at all, I'd probably pick the GPL. | 01:08 |
| LarstiQ | or well, if you don't care what people do with it, BSD or PD. | 01:09 |
| Rinchen | bbyever, then the best thing to do is email feedback@launchpad.net, mention you talked to me and I recommended email the feedback email. We'll have someone in that area get back to you with guidance. | 01:09 |
| LarstiQ | or listen to Rinchen | 01:09 |
| Rinchen | hehe. You can modify your license too, so you're not fixed | 01:09 |
| bbyever | Rinchen: thanks i'll do that. | 01:09 |
| bbyever | LarstiQ: I'll pick the GPL for now, i guess you can change it afterwards , right? | 01:10 |
| Rinchen | LarstiQ had another good suggestion with BSD. I have seen that a bit as well. | 01:10 |
| LarstiQ | bbyever: Rinchen said so, I trust him :) | 01:10 |
| Rinchen | best thing bbyever is to review the available choices and then look at the licenses themselves. | 01:10 |
| LarstiQ | true. | 01:11 |
| bbyever | ok | 01:12 |
| Rinchen | yeah +edit allows you to change it. If for some reason you cannot, then you ask a question (see the channel topic) and a LP admin can do it for you | 01:12 |
| bbyever | ok, thanks for your time! | 01:12 |
| Rinchen | you bet | 01:12 |
| Rinchen | off to a late dinner | 01:12 |
| Rinchen | have a good evening | 01:12 |
| bbyever | same | 01:14 |
| bbyever | bye! | 01:14 |
| idnar | how do I rename a project on Launchpad? | 01:19 |
| LarstiQ | idnar: +edit? | 01:20 |
| idnar | uhm | 01:20 |
| idnar | my project is http://launchpad.net/$NAME | 01:21 |
| idnar | $NAME is what I want to change, which I can't seem to do via that interface | 01:21 |
| LarstiQ | ah hmm | 01:22 |
| idnar | I thought about deleting it and creating a new one (I only created it about a week ago), but I can't see a way to delete it either | 01:23 |
| LarstiQ | if you'd been here 10 minutes earlier Rinchen would still have been able to answer. | 01:24 |
| LarstiQ | idnar: as is, I don't really know, other than asking an admin to do it. | 01:25 |
| idnar | okay | 01:25 |
| idnar | should I just hang around and wait for an admin to show up? | 01:25 |
| persia | Or you could post a question at answers.launchpad.net and one of them will see it later. | 01:25 |
| LarstiQ | idnar: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion | 01:26 |
| idnar | okay, did that | 01:28 |
| idnar | thanks | 01:28 |
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| Rafik | Hello | 01:45 |
| Rafik | any Launchpad admin please ? ^^ | 01:45 |
| LarstiQ | Rafik: I don't know if any are awake, but what is your problem? | 01:46 |
| Rafik | hi LarstiQ | 01:46 |
| Rafik | I wanted to know if it's possible to get an old inactive nickname | 01:47 |
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| LarstiQ | Rafik: owned by someone else? | 01:47 |
| Rafik | .... does not use Launchpad. This page was created on 2005-06-15. | 01:47 |
| LarstiQ | Rafik: if you already own it, you should be able to merge it with your current one yourself | 01:47 |
| LarstiQ | ah. | 01:47 |
| Rafik | Im not the owner | 01:48 |
| LarstiQ | does indeed seem like an admin request. | 01:48 |
| Rafik | yes :) | 01:48 |
| Rafik | I sent an email a week ago with no answer yet | 01:49 |
| Rafik | Since it's my real name, my IRC nickname... I really want it :) | 01:49 |
| Drk_Guy | Hi guys! | 01:51 |
| LarstiQ | Rafik: have you considered asking a question via Launchpad's Answers section? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion | 01:51 |
| Drk_Guy | My PPA register no packages, and it is http 404 | 01:51 |
| Rafik | LarstiQ, No. I just sent an email. | 01:51 |
| Rafik | You advise me to add a question ? | 01:52 |
| Rafik | hello Drk_Guy | 01:52 |
| Drk_Guy | Hi Rafik | 01:52 |
| LarstiQ | Rafik: I think that is the proces, yes. (A quick check turns up someone else asking for the same thing (different name though :)) | 01:52 |
| Rafik | :) | 01:53 |
| LarstiQ | Drk_Guy: could you give a little more context? | 01:53 |
| Rafik | LarstiQ, Thank you. | 01:53 |
| Drk_Guy | LarstiQ, I uploaded a src package like 4 hours back, and it is not up still | 01:53 |
| Drk_Guy | I've signed CoC, accepted policy, everything | 01:54 |
| Drk_Guy | But it won't work | 01:54 |
| Drk_Guy | This is supposed to be my PPA: http://ppa.launchpad.net/drk-red/ubuntu | 01:54 |
| Drk_Guy | LarstiQ, Any ideas? | 01:55 |
| Drk_Guy | Rafik, | 01:56 |
| RAOF | Drk_Guy: That URL is broken. | 01:56 |
| RAOF | Drk_Guy: You actually meant https://edge.launchpad.net/~drk-red/+archive | 01:56 |
| Drk_Guy | RAOF, That's what Launchpad gave me | 01:57 |
| RAOF | Oh, right. Yes. That'd be the url for the repository, yes. | 01:57 |
| RAOF | But you haven't uploaded anything yet :) | 01:57 |
| Rafik | Drk_Guy, I'm sorry. I can't help with your issue. | 01:57 |
| LarstiQ | Drk_Guy: no mail with a build failure or anything? | 01:58 |
| Drk_Guy | RAOF, I've uploaded a special wine package like 4 hours ago | 01:58 |
| RAOF | Not to that PPA you didn't. | 01:58 |
| RAOF | Did you get the "accepted" mail back? | 01:58 |
| LarstiQ | Drk_Guy: how did you upload it? | 01:59 |
| Drk_Guy | LarstiQ, dput | 01:59 |
| Drk_Guy | LarstiQ, My changes were rejected | 01:59 |
| Drk_Guy | Why? | 01:59 |
| Drk_Guy | It's my PPa, i can upload what i want | 01:59 |
| RAOF | That's true. But you need to format them the correct way :) | 01:59 |
| LarstiQ | Drk_Guy: well, within limits of course. You can't upload the Lord of the Rings :) | 01:59 |
| RAOF | You'd want to pastebin the reject email if you want more help :) | 02:00 |
| Drk_Guy | LarstiQ, I'm uploading a special verson of wine, with 3DMark | 02:00 |
| LarstiQ | Drk_Guy: I don't have PPA experience, but I have some dput experience. One issue that can trip you up is if you don't specify which host to put to, it picks the default one. | 02:00 |
| Drk_Guy | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26558/ | 02:01 |
| Drk_Guy | LarstiQ, I followed the PPA guide | 02:01 |
| LarstiQ | Could not find person 'drk-red' | 02:01 |
| LarstiQ | I don't know why that is raised, but that seems the critical problem. | 02:01 |
| LarstiQ | if you can figure that out, you're a step closer to fixing the problem. | 02:02 |
| RAOF | You'd want to pastebin your dput.cf :) | 02:02 |
| LarstiQ | ok, I'm off to catch a ride to the airport. | 02:02 |
| RAOF | Have aviatronic fun! | 02:02 |
| LarstiQ | heh, thanks :) | 02:02 |
| Drk_Guy | RAOF, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26559/ | 02:03 |
| Drk_Guy | LarstiQ, Good luck | 02:03 |
| RAOF | Drk_Guy: That looks OK. Try uploading the source package again? Maybe it was a transient error. | 02:04 |
| Drk_Guy | Ok | 02:04 |
| Drk_Guy | RAOF, Already uploaded | 02:05 |
| RAOF | You need to pass -f to dput, because it normally won't upload twice. | 02:06 |
| Drk_Guy | RAOF, Nopey | 02:07 |
| Drk_Guy | -f won't work | 02:07 |
| RAOF | A more useful response would be to paste(bin, if necessary) the output of the failed attempt. dput -f my-ppa foo.changes most assuredly will work :) | 02:08 |
| Drk_Guy | Ahh! | 02:08 |
| Drk_Guy | the -f was on a different spot | 02:09 |
| Drk_Guy | ;) | 02:09 |
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| LaserJock | can anybody elighten me as to what purpose the "Upstream Version" column in +source pages really is? | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: i think it's got something to do with being useful where upstream uses launchpad as well | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | as in, to link the corresponding series | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | but i've found next to no use for it in practice, probably because the upstreams of stuff i touch aren't on there | 02:59 |
| persia | Or where someone bothered to define it: the "upstream series" can also link to other trackers. | 02:59 |
| persia | The main issue is that it requires 15,000 definitions every cycle, which nobody every does. | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | well | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | my problem is that I'll set the upstream link one time in one release | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | but since that all has to be updated by hand | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | old versions are still linked to "trunk" | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | and since vcsimports only support trunk I'm not sure how we're supposed to use it | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | so now I'm removing all the links I did back in gutsy or so | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | and why are the names/email addresses of people in some of the changelog entries on the +source page and some aren't | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | it's *very* frustrating to be looking at changes and not know *who* did them | 03:05 |
| jml | what's an example page? | 03:09 |
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| jml | I can't quite follow this conversation without an example | 03:10 |
| persia | jml: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/(anything) | 03:11 |
| LaserJock | jml: I'm looking at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcompris | 03:11 |
| LaserJock | and 6 of the entries don't have any person attached to them | 03:12 |
| jml | ok. | 03:12 |
| LaserJock | and the publishing history doesn't have *anything* either | 03:13 |
| persia | Note that we're also missing all the changelog entries between 8.3.2-1ubuntu2 and 8.4.2-1ubuntu1 (specifically at least 8.4.2-1) | 03:13 |
| jml | so there's a changelog issue, plus the "upstream version" thing | 03:13 |
| jml | but they aren't necessarily directly related, right? | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | yeah, the upstream version thing I'm just giving up on | 03:13 |
| persia | jml: Yes, two separate things, on the same page. No direct relation. | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | no, not at all related, I just saw it on the same page | 03:13 |
| jml | LaserJock: why is only being able to import trunk an issue here? | 03:14 |
| persia | jml: If you look at e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdebi | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | jml: because the packages don't *come* from trunk | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | jml: so it makes linking pointless | 03:14 |
| persia | There exist version of gdebi that would be suitable for adjustment for -updates in prior releases. There's no means to either track those well or import them. | 03:15 |
| persia | s/version/versions/ | 03:15 |
| persia | jml: To put it another way, it would be nice if the upstream version link could actually link to the correct upstream version for each release. | 03:15 |
| persia | As it stands now, it might make sense to link a project to a source package, but on a per-release basis it's useless information, and requires 15,000 manual actions every six months. | 03:16 |
| jml | persia: when you say 15,000, you are referring to the number of packages, right? | 03:17 |
| persia | (Or not even useless information, but rather incorrect information) | 03:18 |
| persia | jml: Yep. | 03:18 |
| jml | good. | 03:18 |
| LaserJock | persia: I think it's worse than that as it stands now | 03:19 |
| persia | LaserJock: worse than incorrect information that requires massive manual action? How? | 03:19 |
| LaserJock | because for vcsimports (which is the majority right now), you can only link to trunk | 03:19 |
| LaserJock | so you have no hope of getting correct information for even at one time | 03:19 |
| persia | Ah, which is exceedingly unlikely to have close relation to the source used in the source package. I see what you mean. | 03:19 |
| persia | To look at a recent example that hit the archives: the libdrm 2.3.1 update (required for Xorg1.5) specifically discludes some contentious patches being tested in trunk, as these were determined to be insufficiently stable and tested for an upstream release. | 03:21 |
| jml | *nod* | 03:23 |
| persia | Now, if imports were more flexible and were able to pull based on release tags for the upstream version identified in the version code, it might be rather useful. | 03:24 |
| persia | Where versions are messy (e.g. 0.1+dfsg-3), the watch file ought contain a dversionmangle option to help determine the correct upstream version. | 03:25 |
| persia | That depends on all upstreams properly tagging releases, but that's likely the sort of best practice we'd like to encourage anyway. | 03:25 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 03:25 |
| persia | As an additional benefit, such a system is largely automated, so distro developers don't have to manually link things: they just complain to upstream that the branches aren't tagged properly, and it all automagically works. | 03:26 |
| jml | persia: upstream might have different ideas about what "properly" means. | 03:27 |
| jml | persia: but I agree that such a feature would be useful. | 03:27 |
| persia | jml: Oh, certainly. I still think there's likely the possibility of there being a best practice for each common VCS. | 03:27 |
| jml | for sure. | 03:28 |
| persia | Much as most upstreams now release a $(sourcepackage)-$(version).tar.gz, rather than the mishmash we used to get, defining some standards and prosletysing can be fairly powerful. | 03:28 |
| persia | Some upstreams will not comply, but if we could automate even 60% of it, and have it be correct and useful, it would be a huge step towards any sort of VCS adoption for distro packagers: without that VCS distro packaging is only interesting where 1) someone works with the same source regularly, or 2) a close team is making rapid changes to a single source package. | 03:29 |
| * jml jots down a few notes | 03:31 | |
| persia | And without VCS distro packaging, there's really no point to linking to upstream VCS, as one generally wants to grab the distro source anyway. | 03:31 |
| * persia wonders why "distro" ends in 'o' when it's short for distribution | 03:32 | |
| jml | persia: I'd like to credit it to an Australian influence | 03:33 |
| jml | persia: but I'd just be making stuff up. :) | 03:33 |
| RAOF | Heh. | 03:33 |
| persia | Awww.. I thought there was some historical standard of -oifying things in Australian slang :( | 03:34 |
| RAOF | Oh, there is. | 03:35 |
| RAOF | We're all about the oing of words. | 03:35 |
| jml | persia: well there is. | 03:35 |
| jml | persia: but I couldn't chart it into the world of Linux distributions | 03:35 |
| persia | RAOF: So jml is creating truth from the same substance that binds Fenris? | 03:35 |
| persia | s/Fenris/Fenrir/ | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | ok, so on the changelog thing ... Launchpad currently only has record of 32 out of 51 entries since the package was first introduced into Ubuntu | 03:36 |
| jml | persia: e.g. most Australians quickly find my given name, Jonathan, too cumbersome, and shorten it by default to Jono. | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | for gcompris that is | 03:36 |
| jml | LaserJock: yeah, that changelog thing is best filed as a bug. | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | and it only has 32 out of the whole 114 entries that are present in the current Intrepid package | 03:37 |
| persia | jml: One bug or two? There's the missing entries (likely from overliteral parsing of .changes files rather than checking the source changelog), and the lack of attribution for some changes. | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I can at least understand the first one | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | because it's just grabbing the changelog entries for the versions *in* Ubuntu | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | but the lack of attribution is maddening | 03:39 |
| persia | LaserJock: I suspect both have the same cause: there are ways to create a .changes file without the signature line. | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | there isn't any consistency to it that I can find | 03:39 |
| jml | persia: two. | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | persia: hmm, well I wouldn't have though that I'd been changing how I've done .changes | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | *thought | 03:40 |
| persia | LaserJock: Do you not sometimes pass -v and sometimes not? | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | or wait | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | the ones that are missing are new upstream releases | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | so I'd have put -v in | 03:41 |
| persia | Also, I suspect some people pass -k even when they don't need to because they don't want to bother trying to get their changelog entry and key aligned, which might impact it. | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | I wouldn't have done that one I don't think | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | I suspect it'd be -v | 03:41 |
| * persia suspects there are other ways to make .changes suspect, but doesn't want to research it now | 03:41 | |
| LaserJock | well, the plain fact of the matter is that it's rather stupid to not use the changelog for that kind of thing | 03:42 |
| LaserJock | the whole reason I write changelog entries is for people to read them!! | 03:42 |
| persia | Well, maybe just pragmatic: one has the .changes file in the upload, but has to parse the source package to get the changelog. | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | yes, but that's being done anyway for changelogs.ubuntu.com | 03:43 |
| persia | Well, yes, but by a different subsystem. | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | it's just trying to cut corners IMO and getting it wrong even | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | hmmpf, another bug to look at | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | maybe I'll get more done *not* being LP Liaison ;-) | 03:47 |
| Hobbsee | i didn't think you were anymore? | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | that's what I'm saying | 03:48 |
| LaserJock | I've just found at least 3 bugs to file :-) | 03:48 |
| jml | LaserJock: I have to confess, I didn't realise there was such a thing until I heard you were leaving :) | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | oh, right, maybe you'll get more done on *launchpad* when not being the liason | 03:48 |
| LaserJock | jml: yes yes, I certainly didn't do as thorough of a job as I probably should have | 03:48 |
| jml | LaserJock: oh, that hadn't occurred to me :) | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | jml: however, since I was also an LP bug contact I saw a lot of what you guys were doing | 03:49 |
| jml | LaserJock: it's just that most of the time I've got my head down in a pile of codehosting stuff :) | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | and frankly, not a ton of the bugs I did file got fixed | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | in fact, I'm not sure that *any* LP bug I've filed has every gotten fixed | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: oh, i'm sure maybe one did. somewhere. sometime. | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | either htat, or you don't file enough launchpad bugs. | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | heck, even wgrant and i have managed to get a few bugs marked "critical" (many months after filing, but that's another gripe) each | 03:51 |
| LaserJock | well, usually mine never make "critical", I just +1 you and wgrant's ;-) | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:52 |
| LaserJock | and of course in trying to see if any of my bugs have been fixed I've run into another one | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | i try not to file them now though, tbh. | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | for the reason you cited. | 03:52 |
| LaserJock | can you really *not* do an advanced search on reporter? | 03:53 |
| emma | :) | 03:53 |
| jml | LaserJock: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=laserjock&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&search=Search | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | or a search on a person at all? | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | ah, I figured it out, you have to go to your personal bug page first and then do it | 03:53 |
| jml | no you don't | 03:53 |
| persia | LaserJock: Visit that person's page, and click on their reported bugs. | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | jml: that's not available from the advanced search is it? | 03:54 |
| jml | LaserJock: that's where I found it. | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | I don't know I'm getting myself confused | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 03:54 |
| jml | LaserJock: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project, "Advanced search" | 03:54 |
| jml | LaserJock: "Reporter" is in the right column of "People" | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | jml: the idea would be to have the reported bugs from any project, no | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | ? | 03:55 |
| jml | Hobbsee: the initial question was about Launchpad bugs, I thought | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | ok, I'm totally lying though | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | 4 out of 16 LP bugs I've files have been fixed | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | *filed | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | jml: i think it was, but i took [12:53] <LaserJock> can you really *not* do an advanced search on reporter? to be a separate thing :) | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: that's doing pretty well. | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: that's probably better than my and wgrant's ratio. | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | in fact, i'm sure ti is. | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: Fix-it-Friday's | 03:56 |
| jml | Hobbsee: oh. | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | I pick easy ones | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: heh. some of my bugs that are easy, like adding a checkbox, still are waiting from gutsy development. | 03:57 |
| LaserJock | jml: it apears you can't do an advanced search on a report *from* the reporter's page | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | they'll hit their 1 year aniversary in a few months | 03:57 |
| jml | LaserJock: oh, right. | 03:57 |
| jml | LaserJock: that sucks. | 03:57 |
| LaserJock | jml: it was smart enough to know that I was already there | 03:57 |
| jml | oh, that doesn't suck then :) | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | but they're on a mostly-unused section, so it's understandable | 03:58 |
| jml | fwiw, 56 / 139 for me | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | jml: well done! | 03:58 |
| LaserJock | my oldest one is "High" and was filed 2007-03-25 | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | oldest open one | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | though I guess maybe the Bug Janitor needs to get it 'cause it's Incomplete | 04:00 |
| * Hobbsee wonders if the stats are any better on launchpad questions now | 04:01 | |
| Hobbsee | speaking of that rotten janitor. | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | hmm. i'm sure i reported more than that. | 04:06 |
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| Hobbsee | 14 not fixed, 1 invalid, 8 fixed. 23 total. | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | 1 high, 2 critical | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | ah, + 2 dupes | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | well, I found changelog entries at /ubuntu/<release>/+source/<pkg>/+changelog | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | but there's no /ubuntu/+source/<pkg>/+changelog which is sort of weird | 04:10 |
| jml | Hobbsee: I would have thought you'd reported more than that. | 04:11 |
| persia | LaserJock: It's also not reliable, as changelogs aren't necessarily in series between releases (and actually may not be in series within a release, but that's not usually as important) | 04:11 |
| persia | LaserJock: Unless you'd expect it to go to the current source package? | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | jml: yeah... | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | persia: hmm, and apparently during syncs the sync requester get's the attribution for the Debian changelog entry :-) | 04:13 |
| persia | LaserJock: Yep. This is good for Ubuntu tracking purposes, but clearly wrong for changelog purposes. | 04:14 |
| persia | We could do better to differentiate "Changed-By", "Uploaded-By", and "Changelog-By", but it's confusing. | 04:15 |
| persia | If we rely entirely on the changelog, we lose track of who requested the sync. | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | agreed | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | but I think it could be fairly reasonably worked out | 04:16 |
| persia | As it is, there's still some confusion as to whether it is supposed to be the requestor or the approver, and different archive-admins do it differently. | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | Changelog-By should get the credit for the upload | 04:16 |
| persia | (note that in many cases, the requestor and approver are the same party) | 04:16 |
| persia | LaserJock: For syncs? Should Changed-By: be mangled? If it is mangled, whose name goes there? Anyway, I think it needs more general thought before launchpad can be expected to handle it sanely. | 04:17 |
| LaserJock | if Changelog-By != Changed-By or Uploaded-By then other fields should be filled in (Synced By: ? and Sponsored By:) | 04:17 |
| LaserJock | the problem is that a simply attributing an entire package version to 1 person doesn't suffice | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | that Changelog-By might not be the same as Change-By which might not be the same as Uploaded-By needs to be taken into account | 04:19 |
| persia | Well, if you want to get complicated, what about team-maintained packages where Changes-By is different than Changelog-By is different than Changed-By, is different than Uploaded-By? | 04:20 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I'm not sure I follow that case | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | you mean if there are multiple people in the changelog entry? | 04:21 |
| persia | Yes. | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | well, that is a point | 04:22 |
| persia | e.g.: someone makes changes, a DD sponsors it, the changer makes a sync requests, a MOTU sponsors it, the archive admin pushes it, what does LP display? | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 04:23 |
| persia | The point being that it's hard, so I'm very much unsure of what is correct behaviour. That said, it's a bug if no name is displayed, and a bug if entries are missing. | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | I think Changelog-By = Debian changelog , Changed-By = sync requester, Uploaded-By = signer | 04:27 |
| persia | s/signer/approver? | 04:28 |
| persia | How about the multiple people who changed the package, none of whom may be the changelog author? | 04:29 |
| LaserJock | I personally don't think we need a sync approver field | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | in the case of a sync I think Uploaded-By could be blank, or perhaps be Archive Admin to show it was synced by them perhaps | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | well, I think we can get very complicated with it | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | tracking Maintainer:, Uploaders:, etc. and getting out every person who touched the package at all | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | but the essentials as I see it are attributing upstream, current "changer", and uploader | 04:37 |
| jml | wow. tabs eh? | 05:49 |
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| gnomefreak | Can anyone give me a clue on what OOPS-922CEMAIL1 was caused by? | 06:30 |
| mwhudson | gnomefreak: Signature couldn't be verified: (7, 8, 'Bad signature') | 06:31 |
| gnomefreak | mwhudson: there isnt anything wrong with my key it works most of time and always has worked until sometime on the pre-release for 2.0 (i think thats next version | 06:32 |
| gnomefreak | its been only the last week or so that im getting failures | 06:33 |
| gnomefreak | that bug listed one of my posts from email but wouldnt do this bug | 06:35 |
| mwhudson | gnomefreak: the signature is definitely bad | 06:35 |
| mwhudson | gnomefreak: i don't really know enough about gpg to say why | 06:35 |
| gnomefreak | mwhudson: than i shouldnt beable to sign any malone mail | 06:35 |
| gnomefreak | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/246694 | 06:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246694 in firefox-3.0 "Can Not Uninstall Add-Ons" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 06:35 |
| gnomefreak | that has one from me the other one would be last one but you dont see it | 06:36 |
| mwhudson | gnomefreak: the mail looks a bit oddly wrapped, maybe tbird is screwing you over? | 06:36 |
| gnomefreak | what do you mean as oddly wrapped i knwo what it means but what do you say that makes you think that? | 06:36 |
| mwhudson | uh | 06:37 |
| mwhudson | gnomefreak: that didn't make a lot of sense | 06:37 |
| mwhudson | in the oops report, i have a link to your original mail | 06:37 |
| mwhudson | if i download it, gpg refuses to verify it | 06:37 |
| gnomefreak | mwhudson: you said its oddly wrapped what makes you think its oddly wrapped | 06:37 |
| mwhudson | and if i look at it, it looks like this: | 06:37 |
| mwhudson | sharshabeeeel wrote: | 06:38 |
| mwhudson | > Thank you John but the flashplugin-nonfree has been previously removed | 06:38 |
| mwhudson | using Synaptic Package Manager. | 06:38 |
| gnomefreak | being on different lines shoudlnt matter its still able to be read and emailed and i know my signature is good since well you can see on bug report it let one go through but not this time | 06:39 |
| mwhudson | well i don't know | 06:39 |
| mwhudson | i would guess that somehow the mail got mangled en-route | 06:40 |
| mwhudson | gnomefreak: and, heh, if i manually put the long lines back together, the signature is good | 06:41 |
| gnomefreak | that makes me think its Tbird, Maybe i use tbird 3 once i get caught up | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | holy cow, my edge just changed :-) | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | I just noticed the new tabs | 06:50 |
| * Hobbsee pokes edge. | 06:51 | |
| Hobbsee | yes, you do want to load | 06:51 |
| * Hobbsee blinks | 06:51 | |
| Hobbsee | \o/ the useful panel moved up | 06:52 |
| Hobbsee | and, uh, yay for cascading multiple horizontal menus... | 06:52 |
| gnomefreak | i just noticed that as well | 06:53 |
| Hobbsee | interesting design decision... | 06:53 |
| * gnomefreak can do without the right handed menu but i guess i have to get used to it | 06:53 | |
| LaserJock | heh, that made me chuckle | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | originaly they were on the right, then they were moved to the left | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | now they're back right | 06:54 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 06:54 |
| Peng | OOPS-923D576 | 07:26 |
| ubottu | https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/923D576 | 07:26 |
| Peng | Oh, right, I forgot, devpad requires HTTP auth. | 07:27 |
| Peng | Working now, so never mind. | 07:27 |
| poolie | hello Hobbsee | 07:32 |
| poolie | ooh shiny | 07:33 |
| * mwhudson off for the weekend | 07:34 | |
| Peng | mwhudson: Have a nice weekend. :) | 07:35 |
| Peng | Huh, in bug displays, the related branch has been moved below the summary. | 07:36 |
| Peng | I don't like the new layout. It's a lot of white space with links and little icons and everything else all strewn about. | 07:37 |
| RAOF | Hm. I think I like the new tabs. | 07:44 |
| poolie | i like the look | 07:47 |
| poolie | i haven't tried it enough to know if it works well | 07:47 |
| poolie | is it just me or is the middle of the footer a weird place for the search field? | 07:48 |
| poolie | that seems very odd | 07:48 |
| RAOF | No, I think that's a strange place, too. You're not alone. | 07:49 |
| Laibsch | Can sombody please abort the import of https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gnucash/trunk (the admin of the server is complaining about excessive use of bandwidth) and use http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~siretart/gnucash/svn-repo.tar.gz for the initial setup instead? mwhudson? | 08:04 |
| Peng | Laibsch: mwhudson just left. | 08:06 |
| * Peng leaves too. | 08:06 | |
| Laibsch | peng anybody else you recommend? | 08:07 |
| Laibsch | mwhudson not in London time zone? | 08:07 |
| andrea-bs | Laibsch: try with one of this people: https://launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/+members | 08:07 |
| Laibsch | thanks | 08:08 |
| andrea-bs | you're welcome | 08:08 |
| Laibsch | ping lifeless, thumper, rockstar, jml about gnucash import six or seven lines above. please abort the download and use the tarball instead | 08:10 |
| jml | Laibsch: I've suspended the import. | 08:13 |
| Laibsch | jml: thanks | 08:13 |
| Laibsch | can you also import from the tarball? | 08:13 |
| jml | Laibsch: I can't kill the currently running job though | 08:13 |
| jml | Laibsch: I personally can't. | 08:13 |
| Laibsch | where should I file the request for that? | 08:14 |
| jml | Laibsch: mwhudson may be able to, but it's dinnertime on a Friday night for him. | 08:14 |
| jml | Laibsch: ask a question on Launchpad-Bazaar | 08:14 |
| Laibsch | Oh, asia? | 08:14 |
| jml | NZ | 08:14 |
| Laibsch | close enough ;-) | 08:14 |
| Laibsch | btw, I think the wiki-link on https://launchpad.net/~vcs-imports should be fixed | 08:14 |
| Laibsch | plus there should be a link to that page where you can request an import | 08:15 |
| Laibsch | I always have a bitch of a time hunting that down | 08:15 |
| jml | I think those are both good ideas. | 08:16 |
| Laibsch | can you do that? | 08:16 |
| jml | not right now :) | 08:16 |
| Laibsch | I can't even file a bug or a question against vcs-imports | 08:16 |
| jml | that's because vcs-imports is a team | 08:17 |
| Laibsch | I guess launchpad-bazaar will have to do, then | 08:17 |
| jml | you can't file a bug against a team | 08:17 |
| Laibsch | well, LP suggests it is possible ;-) | 08:17 |
| jml | where? | 08:17 |
| Laibsch | LP can be pretty confusing there | 08:17 |
| Laibsch | https://bugs.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports | 08:18 |
| Laibsch | https://answers.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports | 08:18 |
| Laibsch | the sheer existence of that page | 08:18 |
| jml | Laibsch: I don't find that so confusing. I mean, I wouldn't think I could file a bug on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~r0lf | 08:20 |
| Laibsch | well, but the page at least has a meaning | 08:21 |
| Laibsch | so, I would say the natural thing is to assume that the page has some meaning | 08:21 |
| Laibsch | All I am saying is it can be confusing | 08:21 |
| Laibsch | It confused me | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | I kind of agree with Laibsch | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | though I know you can't | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | 1) I'd often like to file bugs against teams | 08:22 |
| andrea-bs | how about a message "This page is not to report a bug against this team/person" on the top of the page? | 08:22 |
| jml | andrea-bs: maybe | 08:23 |
| Laibsch | andrea-bs: why not eliminate that page for teams? | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | 2) a team can be subscribed and assigned to bugs, seems logical to be able to file a bug against a team | 08:23 |
| jml | andrea-bs: a thing with that style of solution is that there are many things that the page is not :) | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | Laibsch: what page? | 08:23 |
| Laibsch | https://bugs.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports | 08:23 |
| jml | Laibsch: because it's *useful* | 08:23 |
| Laibsch | https://answers.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports | 08:23 |
| andrea-bs | Laibsch: because it is useful to see which bugs are related to a team/person | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | Laibsch: those pages are useful | 08:23 |
| Laibsch | OK | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | heh | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | it's just you can file a bug against a team, but you can subscribe or assigne the team to a bug | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | *can't file | 08:24 |
| jml | LaserJock: something along the lines of filing bugs against people or teams would be useful | 08:25 |
| jml | LaserJock: except probably not actual defect reports | 08:25 |
| andrea-bs | jml: mh... maybe giving some buttons to report bugs to the related projects? | 08:25 |
| jml | Bug against jml: fails to buy new milk when the old carton runs out | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | it's especially useful if there isn't a related project | 08:25 |
| jml | Expected: new milk to be bought | 08:25 |
| jml | Observed: no new milk | 08:25 |
| jml | Steps to reproduce bug: drink almost all the milk | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I wonder if people appling for membership in a team could be treated as a bug | 08:26 |
| jml | andrea-bs: yeah, I like that idea more. | 08:26 |
| andrea-bs | jml: should I file a bug? | 08:27 |
| jml | andrea-bs: please do. | 08:27 |
| LaserJock | andrea-bs: how do you know what the related project is? | 08:27 |
| andrea-bs | LaserJock: when a team is linked to a project (e.g. is a bug supervisor) | 08:27 |
| jml | LaserJock: "most active in" is another way of getting a short list | 08:28 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't particularly see the usefullness of that | 08:28 |
| LaserJock | I don't know that there's confusion between a team and it's corresponding project is there? | 08:28 |
| jml | LaserJock: it's certainly not the most pressing issue on Launchpad | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | I thought the confusion was that it seemed like it should be possible to file a bug against a team | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | or have we gotten on a tangent :-) | 08:29 |
| jml | LaserJock: we've gone on two tangents :) | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | \o/ | 08:29 |
| jml | just like that, yes. | 08:30 |
| * jml makes a bad geometry / ascii-art pun | 08:30 | |
| jml | time to run away! | 08:30 |
| jml | g'night folks. | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | that was rather funny ;-) | 08:30 |
| mrevell | hi | 08:57 |
| thekorn | hi, how is Security vulnerability been presented in a bugreport on stable these days? | 09:28 |
| thekorn | as far as I remeber there was a big sign with an exclamation mark near the private icon some time ago, | 09:28 |
| thekorn | but it's gone now | 09:28 |
| tzd | hi. I've recently received emails regarding a thread I'm not subscribed to. I can't find it under subscribed bugs and I was hoping you could delete the subscription please? | 09:38 |
| stgraber | tzd: have a look at the bottom of the mail, there is the reason why you received that mail | 09:38 |
| stgraber | (for example, you may be in a team that's bug contact for a project/package) | 09:39 |
| tzd | stgraber: i see. Thanks! | 09:40 |
| tzd | stgraber: hmm can't find anything like that. I've got: "You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug". | 09:41 |
| stgraber | hmm, maybe someone subscribed you to this bug ? | 09:42 |
| stgraber | in this case you can go to the bug page and unsubscribe from it | 09:42 |
| tzd | stgraber: yeah i tried that but i can't find that exact bug under "List subscribed bugs"... I only have 5 subscriptions and it's not under there | 09:45 |
| stgraber | there is a link to the bug in the e-mail | 09:47 |
| * beuno wonders why edge is more up to date then staging | 09:52 | |
| tzd | stgraber: there usually is one but for this thread there's not a link. The only listed link there is to the actual bug itself | 09:52 |
| wgrant | beuno: Because it has updated more recently, perhaps... | 09:52 |
| wgrant | tzd: Go to the actual bug, and click unsubscribe there... | 09:52 |
| beuno | wgrant, AFAIK, staging is updated first, then, if nothing goes terribly wrong, that moves on to edge | 09:52 |
| beuno | I may be wrong though | 09:53 |
| wgrant | beuno: I believe they're unrelated. | 09:53 |
| wgrant | How would wrongness detection work? | 09:53 |
| tzd | wgrant: ah found it now! Thanks to you and stgraber! | 09:53 |
| beuno | well, staging uses the actual full LP DB, so it's a good place to see if the changes made have problems on a larger scale | 09:54 |
| wgrant | beuno: edge doesn't use the full LP DB? | 09:58 |
| beuno | wgrant, it does, but the production DB | 09:59 |
| beuno | and, well, over 1000k users using it | 09:59 |
| beuno | as opposed to staging | 09:59 |
| wgrant | edge will only update when there are no DB changes yet, so there's likely no benefit it doing it on staging first. | 10:00 |
| beuno | right | 10:00 |
| beuno | well, I guess I just assumed it worked that way | 10:00 |
| beuno | I'll poke mpt about it when he gets here | 10:00 |
| wgrant | Hardly anybody seems to use staging, and we get regressions on edge all the time, so it doesn't work well even if it is the case. | 10:01 |
| beuno | wgrant, true | 10:02 |
| mpt | Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! | 10:30 |
| === jscinoz_ is now known as jscinoz | ||
| thekorn | hi mpt, I think you are the right one to answer my question I ask about one hour ago | 10:37 |
| thekorn | let me quote it: | 10:37 |
| thekorn | 10:28 < thekorn> hi, how is Security vulnerability been presented in a bugreport on stable these days? | 10:38 |
| thekorn | 10:28 < thekorn> as far as I remeber there was a big sign with an exclamation mark near the private icon some time ago, | 10:38 |
| thekorn | hi, how is Security vulnerability been presented in a bugreport on stable these days? | 10:38 |
| thekorn | < thekorn> but it's gone now | 10:38 |
| mpt | thekorn, it's not shown on launchpad.net currently, but it's shown on edge.launchpad.net, and launchpad.net will be fixed within a week. | 10:39 |
| mpt | oh, snap | 10:40 |
| * mpt didn't even notice you were pasting the question :-) | 10:40 | |
| mpt | I was reading scrollback | 10:40 |
| thekorn | mpt: ok, thanks | 10:42 |
| thekorn | and sorry for pasting it again, did not notic ou were 'away ' when I asked the question | 10:42 |
| mpt | nm | 10:43 |
| klausthorn | hi. i can't login to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu. Anyone time to give an advice? | 10:52 |
| klausthorn | since I can't login to launchpad and nobody cared for my problem, where can I go next? | 11:08 |
| beuno | klausthorn, what's your LP username? | 11:10 |
| mrevell | klausthorn: Hey, yeah, if you could give us your username I'll take a look. | 11:11 |
| mrevell | klausthorn: Could you tell me what you mean by no one cared for the problem? | 11:11 |
| klausthorn | I just know what email address I entered. Username is probably "Klaus Thorn". thanks | 11:11 |
| klausthorn | emaila ddress would be klaus@trillke.net by the way | 11:11 |
| beuno | mornin' mrevell | 11:12 |
| mrevell | howdy beuno. How's London today? | 11:12 |
| mrevell | klausthorn: I'll look up your account | 11:12 |
| klausthorn | mrevell: I just meant that no one answered to my initial question ("cant login...anyone time to give advice?") | 11:12 |
| mrevell | klausthorn: Ah, sorry I didn't spot your original question. | 11:13 |
| beuno | mrevell, no rain, so it's probably a great day :) | 11:13 |
| mrevell | heh :) | 11:13 |
| klausthorn | mrevell: no problem, I just didn't know what to do next | 11:13 |
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| mrevell | klausthorn: Hi - I'll ask one of my colleagues to take a look at your account. I'm sorry you've been unable to login. What error message does it give you? | 11:14 |
| klausthorn | mrevell: unfortunately no error message. I get the page where I clicked on "Login/Register" again, still not logged in. (I also tried to give a false password which gives me a good error message.) | 11:16 |
| mrevell | klausthorn: Thanks. | 11:17 |
| mrevell | klausthorn: I'll get one of my colleagues to take a look and hopefully we should have you back up and running soon. It may be a couple of hours, though, I'm afraid. | 11:18 |
| klausthorn | mrevell: thanks very much. I'll make notes to not forget what I wanted to enter into launchpad for the meantime. | 11:19 |
| === rraphink is now known as raphink | ||
| mrevell | klausthorn: Great, thanks and sorry again. | 11:20 |
| intellectronica | klausthorn: do you have cookies enabled in your browser? | 11:20 |
| klausthorn | intellectronica: thanks for this question. To my surprise - yes they are enabled to almost any site. And to my second surprise launchpad.net was in the list of blocked sites. You solved my problem. thanks | 11:23 |
| mrevell | ah, intellectronica, thanks. | 11:23 |
| intellectronica | np | 11:24 |
| klausthorn | mrevell: sorry for my request. But although I could have known better I did not check cookies. Nevertheless it could be helpfull to make launchpad a cookie-check and warning(if disabled) automatically. | 11:26 |
| Rafik_ | Hi all, | 11:45 |
| === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik | ||
| mpt | bug 30679 | 11:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 30679 in launchpad "Login requires cookies, but does not say so" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30679 | 11:59 |
| mpt | klausthorn, mrevell: ^ | 12:00 |
| mrevell | thanks mpt! | 12:01 |
| andrea-bs | mpt: "Also affects distribution" should be "Also affects distribution/package" or something similar ;) | 12:24 |
| mpt | andrea-bs, yeah, see bug 1334 and the other reports linked from there | 12:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1334 in malone ""Also affects:" "Project…" and "Distribution/Package…" links should be merged" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334 | 12:25 |
| andrea-bs | thanks, mpt | 12:25 |
| * mpt knows that bug number by heart ;-) | 12:26 | |
| andrea-bs | :D | 12:26 |
| persia | mpt: Don't you know all the bug numbers by heart? | 12:26 |
| mpt | not any more | 12:27 |
| persia | Hmm. I'm not sure if that's good or not. | 12:27 |
| mpt | Not since I was told I was spending too much time dealing with new bug reports :-) | 12:27 |
| persia | mpt: Yeah: balance of sanity vs. volume :) | 12:29 |
| klausthorn | mpt: thanks. Always sad seeing bugs open for months though. | 12:30 |
| mpt | That one's actually kinda my fault, I should have designed a combined page | 12:32 |
| klausthorn | bye and thanks for the help to all | 12:33 |
| andrea-bs | mpt: sorry, I don't remember a thing: will menus on the right sidebar be collapsible in the new UI? | 12:46 |
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| mpt | andrea-bs, no | 12:52 |
| andrea-bs | mpt: ok, thanks | 12:53 |
| wgrant | mpt: Ermmmm. | 12:59 |
| wgrant | mpt: That is a fatal flaw. | 12:59 |
| wgrant | With the current subscriber setup. | 13:00 |
| wgrant | You will have people flying over just to attack you for that decision. | 13:00 |
| andrea-bs | wgrant: I think that there will be a "More..." link when subscribers or tags are too much to be listed | 13:01 |
| andrea-bs | wgrant: there's a bug about that, let me find it | 13:01 |
| mpt | wgrant, first, the subscription links will very shortly be moving from the bottom to the top of the box | 13:02 |
| geser | good to hear | 13:02 |
| wgrant | mpt: And what about the tags list which is dozens of screens long? | 13:02 |
| mpt | wgrant, second, gmb is going to disappear the "Duplicates of this bug" box so that it's not above the Subscribers box | 13:02 |
| wgrant | Will it go somewhere sane like behind a 'This bug has N duplicates' link? | 13:03 |
| mpt | wgrant, and third, in the unlikely event that BjornT doesn't fix bug 152878 in time, the source package details box will move above the Subscribers box. | 13:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 152878 in malone "Source package details box hampers bug page context-independence" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152878 | 13:03 |
| mpt | wgrant, exactly. | 13:03 |
| wgrant | mpt: Yay! | 13:03 |
| wgrant | What about the tag list? | 13:03 |
| wgrant | Or is that already gone? | 13:03 |
| wgrant | Because it is gigantic in Ubuntu. | 13:03 |
| mpt | The tag list, that's still a problem. | 13:04 |
| mpt | Maybe now someone will fix it. ;-) | 13:04 |
| wgrant | It would be wonderful to not have tags exist forever... | 13:04 |
| wgrant | And to require privileges to create new tags... | 13:04 |
| andrea-bs | wgrant: bug #59154 | 13:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 59154 in malone "Don't show all tags on the bug listing page" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59154 | 13:04 |
| === salgado-afk is now known as salgado | ||
| Odd_Bloke | The new tabs on the Edge interface have a border at the left-most edge which ruins the rounded effect. | 13:23 |
| beuno | Odd_Bloke, I don't follow | 13:25 |
| Odd_Bloke | Yeah, that's the least specific sentence ever. The new tabs at the top of the interface (Overview, Bugs &c.) seem to have a straight border at the left of each tab, reaching down to the base of the button. | 13:27 |
| Odd_Bloke | I wonder if this is a rendering issue. | 13:27 |
| beuno | Odd_Bloke, what broswer are you using? | 13:27 |
| Odd_Bloke | Epiphany. | 13:28 |
| mpt | Odd_Bloke, we're still not sure exactly which part you're talking about -- could you take a screenshot and draw a ring around the exact problem? | 13:28 |
| Odd_Bloke | Sure, gimme a moment. | 13:29 |
| mpt | thanks | 13:30 |
| Odd_Bloke | http://daniel.daniel-watkins.co.uk/Screenshot.png | 13:31 |
| Odd_Bloke | mpt: ^ | 13:31 |
| mpt | weeeird | 13:32 |
| wgrant | Odd_Bloke: Which backend? | 13:32 |
| Odd_Bloke | I'm seeing it with Galeon and Iceweasel too. | 13:32 |
| wgrant | As that's not Ubuntu. | 13:32 |
| Odd_Bloke | Well, the one that's shared with Galeon and Iceweasel, the name of which completely escapes me. | 13:32 |
| wgrant | Gecko. | 13:32 |
| Odd_Bloke | It's Debian (hence Iceweasel). | 13:32 |
| Odd_Bloke | wgrant: Yup. | 13:32 |
| wgrant | Epiphany can do WebKit as well. | 13:32 |
| Odd_Bloke | Yeah, I was going to say 'not WebKit', but didn't know if there were only two choices. | 13:33 |
| wgrant | Which version of Gecko are you using? | 13:33 |
| * andrea-bs uses Epiphany with Gecko too but doesn't have any problem | 13:33 | |
| wgrant | Works fine on Intrepid here. | 13:33 |
| Odd_Bloke | "Powered by gecko-1.9" | 13:33 |
| Odd_Bloke | From Epiphany's About. | 13:33 |
| Odd_Bloke | I'm afraid I have to run now. | 13:33 |
| wgrant | What does Iceweasel say? | 13:33 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 13:33 |
| wgrant | Unfortunate. | 13:34 |
| Odd_Bloke | "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008062910 Iceweasel/3.0 (Debian-3.0~rc2-2)" | 13:34 |
| Odd_Bloke | Anyhow, *GONE*. | 13:34 |
| wgrant | Hrm. | 13:34 |
| mpt | I don't know what we can do about that | 13:35 |
| mpt | Possibly it's a problem with the image library | 13:35 |
| mpt | or a problem with the graphics card | 13:36 |
| === jaypipes_mysql is now known as jaypipes | ||
| === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn | ||
| HomeDawg | any admins around that I can ask a quick question? | 15:42 |
| persia | HomeDawg: You might ask the question anyway: sometimes other people also have the answer (but not always). | 15:44 |
| HomeDawg | well, i'm looking to take control of the nubuntu project on launchpad | 15:46 |
| HomeDawg | tomb has been out of the question for years and is no longer around to move ownership to my accuont | 15:46 |
| HomeDawg | so, basically, what i was wondering is if there was any way to have that switched over so I can now manage the project | 15:47 |
| beuno | HomeDawg, file a questions requesting it with all the information | 15:47 |
| beuno | it has been done before | 15:48 |
| HomeDawg | any idea what i should submit that o? | 15:50 |
| andrea-bs | HomeDawg: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | 15:50 |
| HomeDawg | andrea-bs: thank you :) | 15:50 |
| andrea-bs | HomeDawg: you're welcome | 15:51 |
| zwnj | hi there | 16:47 |
| zwnj | i want to patch a package an upload to my PPA, but i forgot what should i do, after changes, to make the *_source.changes files | 16:48 |
| Nyad | Hi. I am working on a project which does calculations for dams and how much water they can yield. The project is for work and currently only calculates values based on my country's data. I have permission to release this as GPL from my boss. Does this allow it to be hosted on launchpad? | 16:48 |
| Nyad | legally | 16:48 |
| andrea-bs | zwnj: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart should be what are you looking for | 16:48 |
| persia | If you add all the right GPL headers, it's certainly OK to be hosted as GPL. | 16:49 |
| Nyad | thanks | 16:50 |
| zwnj | #ubuntu-devel | 16:51 |
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| bbyever | hello | 18:08 |
| bbyever | we in ubuntu-mx-marketing would like to have a mailing list, but when we try to activate it we get a "The application for this team's mailing list has been declined. Please contact a Launchpad administrator for further assistance" message | 18:09 |
| mario_limonciell | Hi guys, I was wondering about bug 134456. How do I get added to the uploaders list for a package at this point? | 18:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 134456 in soyuz "Soyuz needs package-specific uploaders" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134456 | 18:14 |
| mario_limonciell | since it appears that this fix is released now | 18:14 |
| laga | oooh, nice | 18:18 |
| mario_limonciell | yeah it's kinda important too now, since the context of the example in the bug is the situation now | 18:20 |
| persia | mario_limonciell: There's currently neither a UI nor an approvals process. | 18:23 |
| mario_limonciell | persia, yeah that's what i had thought was probably the case | 18:24 |
| persia | mario_limonciell: As I understand it, getting an approvals process for Ubuntu is currently waiting on TB review of the larger archive-reorg proposal. | 18:25 |
| mario_limonciell | persia, so it's a bit too hopeful for this portion of it to be done sooner than i suppose :( | 18:26 |
| parumi | hi, I requested a svn import which unfortunately failed (see https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/clam/trunk), which i guess needs to be manually reactivated. Yesterday I left a question about this (https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38806) but no answer so far. Maybe asking here I'm more luky :-) | 18:27 |
| persia | mario_limonciell: I'm not sure. I expect per-package to work sooner than per-seed, but in terms of policy, it's probably the same decision. | 18:28 |
| === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado | ||
| mario_limonciell | persia, any idea who particularly is driving this portion of it? | 18:29 |
| persia | mario_limonciell: Not really. Colin drafted the proposal, but I don't know if it's been submitted to the TB. It's not on the TB agenda (although I also don't see the next meeting on the fridge). | 18:29 |
| mario_limonciell | so maybe i'll ask colin in -devel then.. | 18:30 |
| bbyever | is there anything we could do to get a mailing list? | 18:35 |
| mzjilani | Hello, i have a question : How can i delete my Launchpad account ? | 18:36 |
| persia | mzjilani: Not easily: if you delete it, and do anything anywhere, it gets recreated anyway. | 18:37 |
| mzjilani | persia : What do you mean by "do anything anywhere" ? | 18:37 |
| persia | mzjilani: Commit any code to any tracked project. Submit any bug to any tracked bugtracker. Comment on any said bug. Send email to any tracked list. | 18:38 |
| mzjilani | persia : Ok. | 18:39 |
| bdmurray | intellectronica: ping | 18:43 |
| Isotopp | " Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode. " <- http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lenz-mysql/ | 18:44 |
| beuno | Isotopp, how did you land on that page? | 18:45 |
| Isotopp | via the homepage of mylvmbackup (also gave that message) and then hitting "up" multiple times | 18:46 |
| Isotopp | all levels have that message | 18:46 |
| beuno | Isotopp, well, that's not a valid URL :) | 18:47 |
| Isotopp | ah, https://code.launchpad.net/~lenz-mysql/mylvmbackup/trunk is bacl | 18:47 |
| Isotopp | Thanks | 18:47 |
| Isotopp | but http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lenz-mysql/mylvmbackup/trunk/changes now gives me that mesage | 18:48 |
| beuno | Isotopp, yes, that's a real problem | 18:48 |
| beuno | mwhudson, ^ | 18:49 |
| beuno | Isotopp, admins will take a look | 18:49 |
| beuno | I'd say trying again in a few minutes should fix it | 18:49 |
| beuno | if not, we can nag more people :) | 18:49 |
| Isotopp | The important thing is that I got my checkout. | 18:50 |
| Isotopp | The rest is decoration... | 18:50 |
| bigdo2 | is launchpad browse source down? | 18:51 |
| bigdo2 | Please try again Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. | 18:51 |
| bigdo2 | is the browser message I have been getting | 18:51 |
| intellectronica | bdmurray: hi | 19:01 |
| bdmurray | intellectronica: Hi, I was looking at bug 191639 again and thought there might be a use case for date-left-closed or something like that | 19:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 191639 in malone "Bug status transitions should be recorded" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191639 | 19:02 |
| beuno | lifeless, LH in LP seems dead again | 19:03 |
| intellectronica | bdmurray: sure, if you think that you can use it, let's do it. it's quite cheap to implement | 19:04 |
| bdmurray | intellectronica: I think it be useful to find bugs that were once closed - unless there is another way to track that... | 19:04 |
| intellectronica | bdmurray: well, we have bugactivity, but you know the limitation of that facility. it's quite difficult to search in it, since it's textual. | 19:05 |
| bdmurray | intellectronica: right, I'll submit a new bug then | 19:05 |
| intellectronica | bdmurray: it's really quite easy to record date_left_closed, so go ahead and file a bug (feel free to subscribe me to it) | 19:06 |
| bdmurray | intellectronica: I've reported it as bug 247675 | 19:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 247675 in malone "record date a closed bug is reopened" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247675 | 19:12 |
| intellectronica | bdmurray: thanks. i'll bring it up next week and make sure it gets scheduled soon | 19:13 |
| intellectronica | oright, weekend time | 19:14 |
| intellectronica | have a good one everyone | 19:14 |
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| thekorn | codebrowse on http://bazaar.launchpad.net seems to be down :( | 19:26 |
| beuno | Rinchen, ^ (don't know who to ping) | 19:27 |
| elmo | bounced | 19:29 |
| beuno | thanks elmo :) | 19:30 |
| thekorn | thanks, it's working again | 19:30 |
| === asac__ is now known as asac | ||
| Laibsch | Can somebody please abort the running import of https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gnucash/trunk (the admin of the server is complaining about excessive use of bandwidth) and use http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~siretart/gnucash/svn-repo.tar.gz for the initial setup instead? | 21:02 |
| Rinchen | Laibsch, someone suspended it for you | 21:36 |
| Laibsch | yes | 21:37 |
| Laibsch | but the current import is still running | 21:37 |
| Laibsch | plus, I'd like somebody to make the import from the tarball | 21:37 |
| Rinchen | Laibsch, I have to defer to mwhudson on that. | 21:38 |
| Rinchen | He's not available currently. | 21:39 |
| Laibsch | Is he the only one who can do the change? | 21:39 |
| Laibsch | Will he be available on weekends? | 21:39 |
| Laibsch | I understand he is based off NZ | 21:40 |
| Rinchen | He's the only one trained for it. I can invalidate the import but I can't import the tarball | 21:41 |
| Laibsch | well, that is one more step at least | 21:42 |
| Laibsch | I'd be thankful | 21:42 |
| Rinchen | do you want me to see if I can completely cancel the import? | 21:42 |
| Rinchen | Laibsch, ^^ | 21:43 |
| Rinchen | I'm not sure I can cancel it completely without taking down the entire import machine, which I won't do. | 21:45 |
| Rinchen | but I can attempt it. | 21:45 |
| Rinchen | looks like it will run for another 30 hours before timing out | 21:47 |
| Laibsch | yes, please cancel the current import if you can do so without collateral damage | 21:54 |
| Rinchen | Laibsch, best I can do is mark it failing (which it is anyway). :-( | 22:02 |
| Rinchen | Laibsch, I'm going to email mwh and others and see if I can learn how to do this better in the future. | 22:03 |
| Laibsch | thanks | 22:06 |
| Rinchen | it seems to me we should have a means to cancel active jobs on the import worker but I don't see an option to do that, even with my admin privs. | 22:08 |
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| === salgado is now known as salgado-afk | ||
| sistpoty | hi, does anyone know the answer to https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38935 ? | 23:23 |
| sistpoty | (in short: why do I have xserver-xorg-driver-ati installed, but the info on lp might tell me that it's nonexistant since dapper?) | 23:24 |
| sistpoty | (which is only a guess, from what the info about min12xxw tells me) | 23:24 |
| Rinchen | sistpoty, I'd pose that one to the ubuntu folks actually | 23:27 |
| Rinchen | sistpoty, looks like they are separate packages | 23:27 |
| sistpoty | Rinchen: sure, the two are separate packages | 23:28 |
| Rinchen | sistpoty, and they configure those packages inside LP, not the LP devs per se | 23:28 |
| sistpoty | Rinchen: maybe I should rephrase the question to "how can I determine if a package has been removed from the archive" | 23:29 |
| X-R3 | hello | 23:29 |
| Rinchen | ah! yes, that's a different question :-) | 23:29 |
| sistpoty | (or rather *when*) | 23:29 |
| sistpoty | Rinchen: I'm quite puzzled by this, since slangasek told me that he believes that xserver-xorg-driver-ati would have been present still in 8.04 (which matches my broken upgrade path) | 23:30 |
| Rinchen | sistpoty, unfortunately I know we can answer that but I cannot since I don't know enough about how that works | 23:30 |
| sistpoty | heh | 23:30 |
| Rinchen | sorry about that :-( | 23:31 |
| sistpoty | Rinchen: anything I should add to make the question more clear? or would you like to clarify? | 23:31 |
| sistpoty | np | 23:31 |
| Rinchen | sistpoty, no, I'll add something and point the soyuz guys at it. | 23:32 |
| sistpoty | Rinchen: ok, thanks a lot! | 23:32 |
| beuno | sistpoty, maybe you have https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati ? | 23:32 |
| sistpoty | beuno: no, actually this package superseeds the -driver package, (but is missing a conflicts entry against it) | 23:34 |
| sistpoty | beuno: cf. bug #247681 | 23:35 |
| geser | sistpoty: are you sure xserver-xorg-driver-ati is still in intrepid? because apt-cache showsrc doesn't return anything | 23:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 247681 in xserver-xorg-video-r128 "missing conflict against xserver-xorg-driver-ati" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247681 | 23:35 |
| beuno | sistpoty, and it's not possible you've been draggong it from dapper? | 23:35 |
| Rinchen | it could be if it's installed locally | 23:35 |
| sistpoty | geser: my first guess was that it was *not* in intrepid... | 23:35 |
| sistpoty | beuno: might be the case actually, but very unlikely, since then xserver-xorg-driver-all would have had an unmet dependency for hardy | 23:36 |
| geser | p.u.c lists the package only for dapper | 23:36 |
| beuno | sistpoty, well, I can't find that package in the archive | 23:36 |
| sistpoty | (as told by slangasek) | 23:36 |
| sistpoty | geser: yes, and rmadison does as well | 23:37 |
| X-R3 | hello | 23:37 |
| X-R3 | Yaw burda türkce bilen bi allahin kulu yokmu | 23:37 |
| * beuno blinks | 23:38 | |
| === X-R3 is now known as KuRDiSTaN | ||
| KuRDiSTaN | Burda Türkce Kürtce BiLen Yokmu | 23:38 |
| sistpoty | hm... indeed I can confirm that xserver-xorg-driver-ati doesn't exist on gutsy... so it seems likely I dragged it in from dapper | 23:39 |
| LaserJock | hmm, would there be any way to tell people when they try to bzr branch that is failed that it isn't an up-to-date branch? | 23:39 |
| Rinchen | merhaba I sakin düşünmek birisi -in bizi burada konuşmak Türk. | 23:39 |
| Rinchen | except KuRDiSTaN I guess :-) | 23:39 |
| KuRDiSTaN | Rinchen Sen Türkce biliyonmu | 23:40 |
| beuno | LaserJock, say what? | 23:40 |
| beuno | branch that is failed? | 23:40 |
| LaserJock | beuno: yeah | 23:40 |
| LaserJock | vcsimports | 23:40 |
| geser | sistpoty: I see that xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.6.3-2ubuntu1 (feisty) had the conflicts but it isn't mentioned afterwards | 23:41 |
| LaserJock | like right now if I bzr branch 3/4 vcsimports I've done they've failed and I get an outdated branch | 23:41 |
| beuno | LaserJock, ah, they should probably block that before the branch is successful. Sounds like a bug to me :) | 23:41 |
| LaserJock | it would be interesting if bzr could tell me that when branching/pulling rather than hunting down why I haven't had any updates for a couple months :-) | 23:42 |
| LaserJock | beuno: well, it's after the VCS has been running | 23:42 |
| LaserJock | so you I don't know that you can just stop serving that branch | 23:42 |
| LaserJock | or I guess that would at least give you an error so maybe it would be better | 23:43 |
| sistpoty | geser: it would make some sense, in case the xserver-xorg-video-all has an or'd dependency | 23:43 |
| geser | sistpoty: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/xserver-xorg-video-ati/1:6.8.0-1 lists the conflicts also for hardy. only intrepid doesn't have them | 23:43 |
| beuno | LaserJock, ah, that's an interesting use case. Probably falls on LP side, or a plugin for bzr | 23:43 |
| sistpoty | geser: though it still gives me the creeps that slangasek is wrong and I was right in the first place *g* | 23:43 |
| LaserJock | beuno: well, for me it's a quite common use case ;-) | 23:44 |
| LaserJock | beuno: apparently I only pick projects that kill bzr imports ;-) | 23:44 |
| beuno | LaserJock, the issue would be distringuishing between branches that just don't have anything new, and branches that have failed | 23:45 |
| beuno | bzr doesn't have anything that can handle that, but LP could | 23:45 |
| LaserJock | but maybe LP should stop serving imports that have failed | 23:45 |
| beuno | yes, after X days of failing, I think it should | 23:46 |
| beuno | that sounds like a better bug to file :) | 23:46 |
| LaserJock | I have 1 that hasn't worked since Oct./Nov. 2007 :-) | 23:46 |
| geser | sistpoty: enjoy it, it won't happen again that fast | 23:46 |
| sistpoty | xheh | 23:47 |
| sistpoty | -x | 23:47 |
| LaserJock | and it tries to import it twice a day :-) | 23:47 |
| beuno | ah, the server must be quite annoyed | 23:48 |
| LaserJock | but yeah, 3 out of 4 isn't a good rate at all :( | 23:48 |
| beuno | no, although there's something to be said about your choice in branches :) | 23:49 |
| LaserJock | well, they don't do anything exotic that I know of | 23:49 |
| LaserJock | git-svn/git-cvs work just fine on them ;-) | 23:50 |
| LaserJock | another thing that would be a nice general workaround at least | 23:50 |
| LaserJock | would be to be able to import from a specific revision on | 23:50 |
| beuno | stacked branches | 23:51 |
| LaserJock | I really don't care too much about the old revisions that broke, I want to see the right now | 23:51 |
| beuno | that will land in 1.6 | 23:51 |
| beuno | so that'l work in a couple of weeks :) | 23:51 |
| LaserJock | on Launchpad? | 23:51 |
| beuno | "everywhere" | 23:51 |
| beuno | LP uses the latest and greates bzr | 23:52 |
| LaserJock | but there probably wouldn't be an interface for it | 23:52 |
| LaserJock | would the code hosting admins have to do it? | 23:52 |
| beuno | LaserJock, nope, you will be able to do it from the bzr UI | 23:54 |
| LaserJock | beuno: how do you mean? | 23:54 |
| beuno | LaserJock, let me try and find you a link... | 23:55 |
| beuno | LaserJock, http://jam-bazaar.blogspot.com/2008/05/this-week-in-bazaar_29.html | 23:56 |
| beuno | anyway, I'm off to bed now | 23:58 |
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