[00:27] Rinchen, https://help.launchpad.net/FAQ [00:27] *ugly* [00:27] now, I'm off to bed :) [00:30] beuno: sleep well :) [00:42] beuno, thanks. Fixed as best I could [00:50] hi [00:51] is there a problem with staging.lp.net? === bac is now known as bac|away [00:53] also, how can i register a project under a team? [00:58] bbyever, looking now [00:58] thanks, Rinchen [00:58] has been offline for a bit. thought it might have been the normal update but it's taking a bit longer than it should be [00:59] bbyever, you can register a project and then change the owner to a team [00:59] ok [00:59] ah ok [00:59] thanks [01:02] bbyever, not quite sure what's going on there. It's not a production machine (hence staging) so I can't wake up a sysadmin to look at it. [01:02] bbyever, the box is alive but it's possible the application server on it has died for some reason. Will be interesting to see why [01:04] bbyever, well, one of our sysadmins who doesn't sleep just kicked it and it's back [01:04] great, thanks! [01:05] i have another question. What is the best license that LP offers at project registration for things that are not software, like documentation and such? [01:05] bbyever, I'm not a lawyer...but a lot of folks use CC or GFDL [01:06] but CC doesnt appear at the project registration page... [01:08] Rinchen, unless its under some other name... Im not very experienced with this... [01:08] * LarstiQ would try to stay away from the GFDL. [01:08] bbyever: if you don't care at all, I'd probably pick the GPL. [01:09] or well, if you don't care what people do with it, BSD or PD. [01:09] bbyever, then the best thing to do is email feedback@launchpad.net, mention you talked to me and I recommended email the feedback email. We'll have someone in that area get back to you with guidance. [01:09] or listen to Rinchen [01:09] hehe. You can modify your license too, so you're not fixed [01:09] Rinchen: thanks i'll do that. [01:10] LarstiQ: I'll pick the GPL for now, i guess you can change it afterwards , right? [01:10] LarstiQ had another good suggestion with BSD. I have seen that a bit as well. [01:10] bbyever: Rinchen said so, I trust him :) [01:10] best thing bbyever is to review the available choices and then look at the licenses themselves. [01:11] true. [01:12] ok [01:12] yeah +edit allows you to change it. If for some reason you cannot, then you ask a question (see the channel topic) and a LP admin can do it for you [01:12] ok, thanks for your time! [01:12] you bet [01:12] off to a late dinner [01:12] have a good evening [01:14] same [01:14] bye! [01:19] how do I rename a project on Launchpad? [01:20] idnar: +edit? [01:20] uhm [01:21] my project is http://launchpad.net/$NAME [01:21] $NAME is what I want to change, which I can't seem to do via that interface [01:22] ah hmm [01:23] I thought about deleting it and creating a new one (I only created it about a week ago), but I can't see a way to delete it either [01:24] if you'd been here 10 minutes earlier Rinchen would still have been able to answer. [01:25] idnar: as is, I don't really know, other than asking an admin to do it. [01:25] okay [01:25] should I just hang around and wait for an admin to show up? [01:25] Or you could post a question at answers.launchpad.net and one of them will see it later. [01:26] idnar: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion [01:28] okay, did that [01:28] thanks === bac|away is now known as bac [01:45] Hello [01:45] any Launchpad admin please ? ^^ [01:46] Rafik: I don't know if any are awake, but what is your problem? [01:46] hi LarstiQ [01:47] I wanted to know if it's possible to get an old inactive nickname === bac is now known as bac|away [01:47] Rafik: owned by someone else? [01:47] .... does not use Launchpad. This page was created on 2005-06-15. [01:47] Rafik: if you already own it, you should be able to merge it with your current one yourself [01:47] ah. [01:48] Im not the owner [01:48] does indeed seem like an admin request. [01:48] yes :) [01:49] I sent an email a week ago with no answer yet [01:49] Since it's my real name, my IRC nickname... I really want it :) [01:51] Hi guys! [01:51] Rafik: have you considered asking a question via Launchpad's Answers section? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion [01:51] My PPA register no packages, and it is http 404 [01:51] LarstiQ, No. I just sent an email. [01:52] You advise me to add a question ? [01:52] hello Drk_Guy [01:52] Hi Rafik [01:52] Rafik: I think that is the proces, yes. (A quick check turns up someone else asking for the same thing (different name though :)) [01:53] :) [01:53] Drk_Guy: could you give a little more context? [01:53] LarstiQ, Thank you. [01:53] LarstiQ, I uploaded a src package like 4 hours back, and it is not up still [01:54] I've signed CoC, accepted policy, everything [01:54] But it won't work [01:54] This is supposed to be my PPA: http://ppa.launchpad.net/drk-red/ubuntu [01:55] LarstiQ, Any ideas? [01:56] Rafik, [01:56] Drk_Guy: That URL is broken. [01:56] Drk_Guy: You actually meant https://edge.launchpad.net/~drk-red/+archive [01:57] RAOF, That's what Launchpad gave me [01:57] Oh, right. Yes. That'd be the url for the repository, yes. [01:57] But you haven't uploaded anything yet :) [01:57] Drk_Guy, I'm sorry. I can't help with your issue. [01:58] Drk_Guy: no mail with a build failure or anything? [01:58] RAOF, I've uploaded a special wine package like 4 hours ago [01:58] Not to that PPA you didn't. [01:58] Did you get the "accepted" mail back? [01:59] Drk_Guy: how did you upload it? [01:59] LarstiQ, dput [01:59] LarstiQ, My changes were rejected [01:59] Why? [01:59] It's my PPa, i can upload what i want [01:59] That's true. But you need to format them the correct way :) [01:59] Drk_Guy: well, within limits of course. You can't upload the Lord of the Rings :) [02:00] You'd want to pastebin the reject email if you want more help :) [02:00] LarstiQ, I'm uploading a special verson of wine, with 3DMark [02:00] Drk_Guy: I don't have PPA experience, but I have some dput experience. One issue that can trip you up is if you don't specify which host to put to, it picks the default one. [02:01] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26558/ [02:01] LarstiQ, I followed the PPA guide [02:01] Could not find person 'drk-red' [02:01] I don't know why that is raised, but that seems the critical problem. [02:02] if you can figure that out, you're a step closer to fixing the problem. [02:02] You'd want to pastebin your dput.cf :) [02:02] ok, I'm off to catch a ride to the airport. [02:02] Have aviatronic fun! [02:02] heh, thanks :) [02:03] RAOF, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26559/ [02:03] LarstiQ, Good luck [02:04] Drk_Guy: That looks OK. Try uploading the source package again? Maybe it was a transient error. [02:04] Ok [02:05] RAOF, Already uploaded [02:06] You need to pass -f to dput, because it normally won't upload twice. [02:07] RAOF, Nopey [02:07] -f won't work [02:08] A more useful response would be to paste(bin, if necessary) the output of the failed attempt. dput -f my-ppa foo.changes most assuredly will work :) [02:08] Ahh! [02:09] the -f was on a different spot [02:09] ;) === sm is now known as sm1 [02:56] can anybody elighten me as to what purpose the "Upstream Version" column in +source pages really is? [02:58] LaserJock: i think it's got something to do with being useful where upstream uses launchpad as well [02:58] as in, to link the corresponding series [02:59] but i've found next to no use for it in practice, probably because the upstreams of stuff i touch aren't on there [02:59] Or where someone bothered to define it: the "upstream series" can also link to other trackers. [02:59] The main issue is that it requires 15,000 definitions every cycle, which nobody every does. [03:00] well [03:00] my problem is that I'll set the upstream link one time in one release [03:00] but since that all has to be updated by hand [03:00] old versions are still linked to "trunk" [03:01] and since vcsimports only support trunk I'm not sure how we're supposed to use it [03:02] so now I'm removing all the links I did back in gutsy or so [03:03] and why are the names/email addresses of people in some of the changelog entries on the +source page and some aren't [03:05] it's *very* frustrating to be looking at changes and not know *who* did them [03:09] what's an example page? === bac|away is now known as bac [03:10] I can't quite follow this conversation without an example [03:11] jml: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/(anything) [03:11] jml: I'm looking at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcompris [03:12] and 6 of the entries don't have any person attached to them [03:12] ok. [03:13] and the publishing history doesn't have *anything* either [03:13] Note that we're also missing all the changelog entries between 8.3.2-1ubuntu2 and 8.4.2-1ubuntu1 (specifically at least 8.4.2-1) [03:13] so there's a changelog issue, plus the "upstream version" thing [03:13] but they aren't necessarily directly related, right? [03:13] yeah, the upstream version thing I'm just giving up on [03:13] jml: Yes, two separate things, on the same page. No direct relation. [03:13] no, not at all related, I just saw it on the same page [03:14] LaserJock: why is only being able to import trunk an issue here? [03:14] jml: If you look at e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdebi [03:14] jml: because the packages don't *come* from trunk [03:14] jml: so it makes linking pointless [03:15] There exist version of gdebi that would be suitable for adjustment for -updates in prior releases. There's no means to either track those well or import them. [03:15] s/version/versions/ [03:15] jml: To put it another way, it would be nice if the upstream version link could actually link to the correct upstream version for each release. [03:16] As it stands now, it might make sense to link a project to a source package, but on a per-release basis it's useless information, and requires 15,000 manual actions every six months. [03:17] persia: when you say 15,000, you are referring to the number of packages, right? [03:18] (Or not even useless information, but rather incorrect information) [03:18] jml: Yep. [03:18] good. [03:19] persia: I think it's worse than that as it stands now [03:19] LaserJock: worse than incorrect information that requires massive manual action? How? [03:19] because for vcsimports (which is the majority right now), you can only link to trunk [03:19] so you have no hope of getting correct information for even at one time [03:19] Ah, which is exceedingly unlikely to have close relation to the source used in the source package. I see what you mean. [03:21] To look at a recent example that hit the archives: the libdrm 2.3.1 update (required for Xorg1.5) specifically discludes some contentious patches being tested in trunk, as these were determined to be insufficiently stable and tested for an upstream release. [03:23] *nod* [03:24] Now, if imports were more flexible and were able to pull based on release tags for the upstream version identified in the version code, it might be rather useful. [03:25] Where versions are messy (e.g. 0.1+dfsg-3), the watch file ought contain a dversionmangle option to help determine the correct upstream version. [03:25] That depends on all upstreams properly tagging releases, but that's likely the sort of best practice we'd like to encourage anyway. [03:25] yeah [03:26] As an additional benefit, such a system is largely automated, so distro developers don't have to manually link things: they just complain to upstream that the branches aren't tagged properly, and it all automagically works. [03:27] persia: upstream might have different ideas about what "properly" means. [03:27] persia: but I agree that such a feature would be useful. [03:27] jml: Oh, certainly. I still think there's likely the possibility of there being a best practice for each common VCS. [03:28] for sure. [03:28] Much as most upstreams now release a $(sourcepackage)-$(version).tar.gz, rather than the mishmash we used to get, defining some standards and prosletysing can be fairly powerful. [03:29] Some upstreams will not comply, but if we could automate even 60% of it, and have it be correct and useful, it would be a huge step towards any sort of VCS adoption for distro packagers: without that VCS distro packaging is only interesting where 1) someone works with the same source regularly, or 2) a close team is making rapid changes to a single source package. [03:31] * jml jots down a few notes [03:31] And without VCS distro packaging, there's really no point to linking to upstream VCS, as one generally wants to grab the distro source anyway. [03:32] * persia wonders why "distro" ends in 'o' when it's short for distribution [03:33] persia: I'd like to credit it to an Australian influence [03:33] persia: but I'd just be making stuff up. :) [03:33] Heh. [03:34] Awww.. I thought there was some historical standard of -oifying things in Australian slang :( [03:35] Oh, there is. [03:35] We're all about the oing of words. [03:35] persia: well there is. [03:35] persia: but I couldn't chart it into the world of Linux distributions [03:35] RAOF: So jml is creating truth from the same substance that binds Fenris? [03:36] s/Fenris/Fenrir/ [03:36] ok, so on the changelog thing ... Launchpad currently only has record of 32 out of 51 entries since the package was first introduced into Ubuntu [03:36] persia: e.g. most Australians quickly find my given name, Jonathan, too cumbersome, and shorten it by default to Jono. [03:36] for gcompris that is [03:37] LaserJock: yeah, that changelog thing is best filed as a bug. [03:37] and it only has 32 out of the whole 114 entries that are present in the current Intrepid package [03:38] jml: One bug or two? There's the missing entries (likely from overliteral parsing of .changes files rather than checking the source changelog), and the lack of attribution for some changes. [03:38] yeah, I can at least understand the first one [03:38] because it's just grabbing the changelog entries for the versions *in* Ubuntu [03:39] but the lack of attribution is maddening [03:39] LaserJock: I suspect both have the same cause: there are ways to create a .changes file without the signature line. [03:39] there isn't any consistency to it that I can find [03:39] persia: two. [03:39] persia: hmm, well I wouldn't have though that I'd been changing how I've done .changes [03:40] *thought [03:40] LaserJock: Do you not sometimes pass -v and sometimes not? [03:40] or wait [03:40] yeah [03:40] the ones that are missing are new upstream releases [03:41] so I'd have put -v in [03:41] Also, I suspect some people pass -k even when they don't need to because they don't want to bother trying to get their changelog entry and key aligned, which might impact it. [03:41] I wouldn't have done that one I don't think [03:41] I suspect it'd be -v [03:41] * persia suspects there are other ways to make .changes suspect, but doesn't want to research it now [03:42] well, the plain fact of the matter is that it's rather stupid to not use the changelog for that kind of thing [03:42] the whole reason I write changelog entries is for people to read them!! [03:43] Well, maybe just pragmatic: one has the .changes file in the upload, but has to parse the source package to get the changelog. [03:43] yes, but that's being done anyway for changelogs.ubuntu.com [03:43] Well, yes, but by a different subsystem. [03:43] it's just trying to cut corners IMO and getting it wrong even [03:47] hmmpf, another bug to look at [03:47] maybe I'll get more done *not* being LP Liaison ;-) [03:47] i didn't think you were anymore? [03:48] that's what I'm saying [03:48] I've just found at least 3 bugs to file :-) [03:48] LaserJock: I have to confess, I didn't realise there was such a thing until I heard you were leaving :) [03:48] oh, right, maybe you'll get more done on *launchpad* when not being the liason [03:48] jml: yes yes, I certainly didn't do as thorough of a job as I probably should have [03:49] LaserJock: oh, that hadn't occurred to me :) [03:49] jml: however, since I was also an LP bug contact I saw a lot of what you guys were doing [03:49] LaserJock: it's just that most of the time I've got my head down in a pile of codehosting stuff :) [03:49] and frankly, not a ton of the bugs I did file got fixed [03:50] in fact, I'm not sure that *any* LP bug I've filed has every gotten fixed [03:51] LaserJock: oh, i'm sure maybe one did. somewhere. sometime. [03:51] either htat, or you don't file enough launchpad bugs. [03:51] heck, even wgrant and i have managed to get a few bugs marked "critical" (many months after filing, but that's another gripe) each [03:52] well, usually mine never make "critical", I just +1 you and wgrant's ;-) [03:52] heh [03:52] and of course in trying to see if any of my bugs have been fixed I've run into another one [03:52] i try not to file them now though, tbh. [03:52] for the reason you cited. [03:53] can you really *not* do an advanced search on reporter? [03:53] :) [03:53] LaserJock: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=laserjock&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&search=Search [03:53] or a search on a person at all? [03:53] ah, I figured it out, you have to go to your personal bug page first and then do it [03:53] no you don't [03:53] LaserJock: Visit that person's page, and click on their reported bugs. [03:54] jml: that's not available from the advanced search is it? [03:54] LaserJock: that's where I found it. [03:54] I don't know I'm getting myself confused [03:54] :-) [03:54] LaserJock: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project, "Advanced search" [03:55] LaserJock: "Reporter" is in the right column of "People" [03:55] jml: the idea would be to have the reported bugs from any project, no [03:55] ? [03:55] Hobbsee: the initial question was about Launchpad bugs, I thought [03:56] ok, I'm totally lying though [03:56] 4 out of 16 LP bugs I've files have been fixed [03:56] *filed [03:56] jml: i think it was, but i took [12:53] can you really *not* do an advanced search on reporter? to be a separate thing :) [03:56] LaserJock: that's doing pretty well. [03:56] LaserJock: that's probably better than my and wgrant's ratio. [03:56] in fact, i'm sure ti is. [03:56] Hobbsee: Fix-it-Friday's [03:56] Hobbsee: oh. [03:56] I pick easy ones [03:57] LaserJock: heh. some of my bugs that are easy, like adding a checkbox, still are waiting from gutsy development. [03:57] jml: it apears you can't do an advanced search on a report *from* the reporter's page [03:57] they'll hit their 1 year aniversary in a few months [03:57] LaserJock: oh, right. [03:57] LaserJock: that sucks. [03:57] jml: it was smart enough to know that I was already there [03:57] oh, that doesn't suck then :) [03:58] but they're on a mostly-unused section, so it's understandable [03:58] fwiw, 56 / 139 for me [03:58] jml: well done! [03:59] my oldest one is "High" and was filed 2007-03-25 [03:59] oldest open one [04:00] though I guess maybe the Bug Janitor needs to get it 'cause it's Incomplete [04:01] * Hobbsee wonders if the stats are any better on launchpad questions now [04:02] speaking of that rotten janitor. [04:06] hmm. i'm sure i reported more than that. === sm1 is now known as sm [04:07] 14 not fixed, 1 invalid, 8 fixed. 23 total. [04:08] 1 high, 2 critical [04:09] ah, + 2 dupes [04:10] well, I found changelog entries at /ubuntu//+source//+changelog [04:10] but there's no /ubuntu/+source//+changelog which is sort of weird [04:11] Hobbsee: I would have thought you'd reported more than that. [04:11] LaserJock: It's also not reliable, as changelogs aren't necessarily in series between releases (and actually may not be in series within a release, but that's not usually as important) [04:12] LaserJock: Unless you'd expect it to go to the current source package? [04:12] jml: yeah... [04:13] persia: hmm, and apparently during syncs the sync requester get's the attribution for the Debian changelog entry :-) [04:14] LaserJock: Yep. This is good for Ubuntu tracking purposes, but clearly wrong for changelog purposes. [04:15] We could do better to differentiate "Changed-By", "Uploaded-By", and "Changelog-By", but it's confusing. [04:15] If we rely entirely on the changelog, we lose track of who requested the sync. [04:15] agreed [04:16] but I think it could be fairly reasonably worked out [04:16] As it is, there's still some confusion as to whether it is supposed to be the requestor or the approver, and different archive-admins do it differently. [04:16] Changelog-By should get the credit for the upload [04:16] (note that in many cases, the requestor and approver are the same party) [04:17] LaserJock: For syncs? Should Changed-By: be mangled? If it is mangled, whose name goes there? Anyway, I think it needs more general thought before launchpad can be expected to handle it sanely. [04:17] if Changelog-By != Changed-By or Uploaded-By then other fields should be filled in (Synced By: ? and Sponsored By:) [04:18] the problem is that a simply attributing an entire package version to 1 person doesn't suffice [04:19] that Changelog-By might not be the same as Change-By which might not be the same as Uploaded-By needs to be taken into account [04:20] Well, if you want to get complicated, what about team-maintained packages where Changes-By is different than Changelog-By is different than Changed-By, is different than Uploaded-By? [04:21] hmm, I'm not sure I follow that case [04:21] you mean if there are multiple people in the changelog entry? [04:22] Yes. [04:22] well, that is a point [04:22] e.g.: someone makes changes, a DD sponsors it, the changer makes a sync requests, a MOTU sponsors it, the archive admin pushes it, what does LP display? [04:23] hmm [04:25] The point being that it's hard, so I'm very much unsure of what is correct behaviour. That said, it's a bug if no name is displayed, and a bug if entries are missing. [04:27] I think Changelog-By = Debian changelog , Changed-By = sync requester, Uploaded-By = signer [04:28] s/signer/approver? [04:29] How about the multiple people who changed the package, none of whom may be the changelog author? [04:34] I personally don't think we need a sync approver field [04:34] in the case of a sync I think Uploaded-By could be blank, or perhaps be Archive Admin to show it was synced by them perhaps [04:35] well, I think we can get very complicated with it [04:35] tracking Maintainer:, Uploaders:, etc. and getting out every person who touched the package at all [04:37] but the essentials as I see it are attributing upstream, current "changer", and uploader [05:49] wow. tabs eh? === wormsxulla___ is now known as wormsxulla [06:30] Can anyone give me a clue on what OOPS-922CEMAIL1 was caused by? [06:31] gnomefreak: Signature couldn't be verified: (7, 8, 'Bad signature') [06:32] mwhudson: there isnt anything wrong with my key it works most of time and always has worked until sometime on the pre-release for 2.0 (i think thats next version [06:33] its been only the last week or so that im getting failures [06:35] that bug listed one of my posts from email but wouldnt do this bug [06:35] gnomefreak: the signature is definitely bad [06:35] gnomefreak: i don't really know enough about gpg to say why [06:35] mwhudson: than i shouldnt beable to sign any malone mail [06:35] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/246694 [06:35] Launchpad bug 246694 in firefox-3.0 "Can Not Uninstall Add-Ons" [Undecided,Incomplete] [06:36] that has one from me the other one would be last one but you dont see it [06:36] gnomefreak: the mail looks a bit oddly wrapped, maybe tbird is screwing you over? [06:36] what do you mean as oddly wrapped i knwo what it means but what do you say that makes you think that? [06:37] uh [06:37] gnomefreak: that didn't make a lot of sense [06:37] in the oops report, i have a link to your original mail [06:37] if i download it, gpg refuses to verify it [06:37] mwhudson: you said its oddly wrapped what makes you think its oddly wrapped [06:37] and if i look at it, it looks like this: [06:38] sharshabeeeel wrote: [06:38] > Thank you John but the flashplugin-nonfree has been previously removed [06:38] using Synaptic Package Manager. [06:39] being on different lines shoudlnt matter its still able to be read and emailed and i know my signature is good since well you can see on bug report it let one go through but not this time [06:39] well i don't know [06:40] i would guess that somehow the mail got mangled en-route [06:41] gnomefreak: and, heh, if i manually put the long lines back together, the signature is good [06:42] that makes me think its Tbird, Maybe i use tbird 3 once i get caught up [06:49] holy cow, my edge just changed :-) [06:50] I just noticed the new tabs [06:51] * Hobbsee pokes edge. [06:51] yes, you do want to load [06:51] * Hobbsee blinks [06:52] \o/ the useful panel moved up [06:52] and, uh, yay for cascading multiple horizontal menus... [06:53] i just noticed that as well [06:53] interesting design decision... [06:53] * gnomefreak can do without the right handed menu but i guess i have to get used to it [06:53] heh, that made me chuckle [06:54] originaly they were on the right, then they were moved to the left [06:54] now they're back right [06:54] oh [07:26] OOPS-923D576 [07:26] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/923D576 [07:27] Oh, right, I forgot, devpad requires HTTP auth. [07:27] Working now, so never mind. [07:32] hello Hobbsee [07:33] ooh shiny [07:34] * mwhudson off for the weekend [07:35] mwhudson: Have a nice weekend. :) [07:36] Huh, in bug displays, the related branch has been moved below the summary. [07:37] I don't like the new layout. It's a lot of white space with links and little icons and everything else all strewn about. [07:44] Hm. I think I like the new tabs. [07:47] i like the look [07:47] i haven't tried it enough to know if it works well [07:48] is it just me or is the middle of the footer a weird place for the search field? [07:48] that seems very odd [07:49] No, I think that's a strange place, too. You're not alone. [08:04] Can sombody please abort the import of https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gnucash/trunk (the admin of the server is complaining about excessive use of bandwidth) and use http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~siretart/gnucash/svn-repo.tar.gz for the initial setup instead? mwhudson? [08:06] Laibsch: mwhudson just left. [08:06] * Peng leaves too. [08:07] peng anybody else you recommend? [08:07] mwhudson not in London time zone? [08:07] Laibsch: try with one of this people: https://launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/+members [08:08] thanks [08:08] you're welcome [08:10] ping lifeless, thumper, rockstar, jml about gnucash import six or seven lines above. please abort the download and use the tarball instead [08:13] Laibsch: I've suspended the import. [08:13] jml: thanks [08:13] can you also import from the tarball? [08:13] Laibsch: I can't kill the currently running job though [08:13] Laibsch: I personally can't. [08:14] where should I file the request for that? [08:14] Laibsch: mwhudson may be able to, but it's dinnertime on a Friday night for him. [08:14] Laibsch: ask a question on Launchpad-Bazaar [08:14] Oh, asia? [08:14] NZ [08:14] close enough ;-) [08:14] btw, I think the wiki-link on https://launchpad.net/~vcs-imports should be fixed [08:15] plus there should be a link to that page where you can request an import [08:15] I always have a bitch of a time hunting that down [08:16] I think those are both good ideas. [08:16] can you do that? [08:16] not right now :) [08:16] I can't even file a bug or a question against vcs-imports [08:17] that's because vcs-imports is a team [08:17] I guess launchpad-bazaar will have to do, then [08:17] you can't file a bug against a team [08:17] well, LP suggests it is possible ;-) [08:17] where? [08:17] LP can be pretty confusing there [08:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports [08:18] https://answers.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports [08:18] the sheer existence of that page [08:20] Laibsch: I don't find that so confusing. I mean, I wouldn't think I could file a bug on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~r0lf [08:21] well, but the page at least has a meaning [08:21] so, I would say the natural thing is to assume that the page has some meaning [08:21] All I am saying is it can be confusing [08:21] It confused me [08:21] I kind of agree with Laibsch [08:22] though I know you can't [08:22] 1) I'd often like to file bugs against teams [08:22] how about a message "This page is not to report a bug against this team/person" on the top of the page? [08:23] andrea-bs: maybe [08:23] andrea-bs: why not eliminate that page for teams? [08:23] 2) a team can be subscribed and assigned to bugs, seems logical to be able to file a bug against a team [08:23] andrea-bs: a thing with that style of solution is that there are many things that the page is not :) [08:23] Laibsch: what page? [08:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports [08:23] Laibsch: because it's *useful* [08:23] https://answers.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports [08:23] Laibsch: because it is useful to see which bugs are related to a team/person [08:23] Laibsch: those pages are useful [08:23] OK [08:23] heh [08:24] it's just you can file a bug against a team, but you can subscribe or assigne the team to a bug [08:24] *can't file [08:25] LaserJock: something along the lines of filing bugs against people or teams would be useful [08:25] LaserJock: except probably not actual defect reports [08:25] jml: mh... maybe giving some buttons to report bugs to the related projects? [08:25] Bug against jml: fails to buy new milk when the old carton runs out [08:25] it's especially useful if there isn't a related project [08:25] Expected: new milk to be bought [08:25] Observed: no new milk [08:26] Steps to reproduce bug: drink almost all the milk [08:26] hmm, I wonder if people appling for membership in a team could be treated as a bug [08:26] andrea-bs: yeah, I like that idea more. [08:27] jml: should I file a bug? [08:27] andrea-bs: please do. [08:27] andrea-bs: how do you know what the related project is? [08:27] LaserJock: when a team is linked to a project (e.g. is a bug supervisor) [08:28] LaserJock: "most active in" is another way of getting a short list [08:28] hmm, I don't particularly see the usefullness of that [08:28] I don't know that there's confusion between a team and it's corresponding project is there? [08:29] LaserJock: it's certainly not the most pressing issue on Launchpad [08:29] I thought the confusion was that it seemed like it should be possible to file a bug against a team [08:29] or have we gotten on a tangent :-) [08:29] LaserJock: we've gone on two tangents :) [08:29] \o/ [08:30] just like that, yes. [08:30] * jml makes a bad geometry / ascii-art pun [08:30] time to run away! [08:30] g'night folks. [08:30] that was rather funny ;-) [08:57] hi [09:28] hi, how is Security vulnerability been presented in a bugreport on stable these days? [09:28] as far as I remeber there was a big sign with an exclamation mark near the private icon some time ago, [09:28] but it's gone now [09:38] hi. I've recently received emails regarding a thread I'm not subscribed to. I can't find it under subscribed bugs and I was hoping you could delete the subscription please? [09:38] tzd: have a look at the bottom of the mail, there is the reason why you received that mail [09:39] (for example, you may be in a team that's bug contact for a project/package) [09:40] stgraber: i see. Thanks! [09:41] stgraber: hmm can't find anything like that. I've got: "You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug". [09:42] hmm, maybe someone subscribed you to this bug ? [09:42] in this case you can go to the bug page and unsubscribe from it [09:45] stgraber: yeah i tried that but i can't find that exact bug under "List subscribed bugs"... I only have 5 subscriptions and it's not under there [09:47] there is a link to the bug in the e-mail [09:52] * beuno wonders why edge is more up to date then staging [09:52] stgraber: there usually is one but for this thread there's not a link. The only listed link there is to the actual bug itself [09:52] beuno: Because it has updated more recently, perhaps... [09:52] tzd: Go to the actual bug, and click unsubscribe there... [09:52] wgrant, AFAIK, staging is updated first, then, if nothing goes terribly wrong, that moves on to edge [09:53] I may be wrong though [09:53] beuno: I believe they're unrelated. [09:53] How would wrongness detection work? [09:53] wgrant: ah found it now! Thanks to you and stgraber! [09:54] well, staging uses the actual full LP DB, so it's a good place to see if the changes made have problems on a larger scale [09:58] beuno: edge doesn't use the full LP DB? [09:59] wgrant, it does, but the production DB [09:59] and, well, over 1000k users using it [09:59] as opposed to staging [10:00] edge will only update when there are no DB changes yet, so there's likely no benefit it doing it on staging first. [10:00] right [10:00] well, I guess I just assumed it worked that way [10:00] I'll poke mpt about it when he gets here [10:01] Hardly anybody seems to use staging, and we get regressions on edge all the time, so it doesn't work well even if it is the case. [10:02] wgrant, true [10:30] Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! === jscinoz_ is now known as jscinoz [10:37] hi mpt, I think you are the right one to answer my question I ask about one hour ago [10:37] let me quote it: [10:38] 10:28 < thekorn> hi, how is Security vulnerability been presented in a bugreport on stable these days? [10:38] 10:28 < thekorn> as far as I remeber there was a big sign with an exclamation mark near the private icon some time ago, [10:38] hi, how is Security vulnerability been presented in a bugreport on stable these days? [10:38] < thekorn> but it's gone now [10:39] thekorn, it's not shown on launchpad.net currently, but it's shown on edge.launchpad.net, and launchpad.net will be fixed within a week. [10:40] oh, snap [10:40] * mpt didn't even notice you were pasting the question :-) [10:40] I was reading scrollback [10:42] mpt: ok, thanks [10:42] and sorry for pasting it again, did not notic ou were 'away ' when I asked the question [10:43] nm [10:52] hi. i can't login to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu. Anyone time to give an advice? [11:08] since I can't login to launchpad and nobody cared for my problem, where can I go next? [11:10] klausthorn, what's your LP username? [11:11] klausthorn: Hey, yeah, if you could give us your username I'll take a look. [11:11] klausthorn: Could you tell me what you mean by no one cared for the problem? [11:11] I just know what email address I entered. Username is probably "Klaus Thorn". thanks [11:11] emaila ddress would be klaus@trillke.net by the way [11:12] mornin' mrevell [11:12] howdy beuno. How's London today? [11:12] klausthorn: I'll look up your account [11:12] mrevell: I just meant that no one answered to my initial question ("cant login...anyone time to give advice?") [11:13] klausthorn: Ah, sorry I didn't spot your original question. [11:13] mrevell, no rain, so it's probably a great day :) [11:13] heh :) [11:13] mrevell: no problem, I just didn't know what to do next === jt1 is now known as jtv [11:14] klausthorn: Hi - I'll ask one of my colleagues to take a look at your account. I'm sorry you've been unable to login. What error message does it give you? [11:16] mrevell: unfortunately no error message. I get the page where I clicked on "Login/Register" again, still not logged in. (I also tried to give a false password which gives me a good error message.) [11:17] klausthorn: Thanks. [11:18] klausthorn: I'll get one of my colleagues to take a look and hopefully we should have you back up and running soon. It may be a couple of hours, though, I'm afraid. [11:19] mrevell: thanks very much. I'll make notes to not forget what I wanted to enter into launchpad for the meantime. === rraphink is now known as raphink [11:20] klausthorn: Great, thanks and sorry again. [11:20] klausthorn: do you have cookies enabled in your browser? [11:23] intellectronica: thanks for this question. To my surprise - yes they are enabled to almost any site. And to my second surprise launchpad.net was in the list of blocked sites. You solved my problem. thanks [11:23] ah, intellectronica, thanks. [11:24] np [11:26] mrevell: sorry for my request. But although I could have known better I did not check cookies. Nevertheless it could be helpfull to make launchpad a cookie-check and warning(if disabled) automatically. [11:45] Hi all, === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik [11:59] bug 30679 [11:59] Launchpad bug 30679 in launchpad "Login requires cookies, but does not say so" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30679 [12:00] klausthorn, mrevell: ^ [12:01] thanks mpt! [12:24] mpt: "Also affects distribution" should be "Also affects distribution/package" or something similar ;) [12:25] andrea-bs, yeah, see bug 1334 and the other reports linked from there [12:25] Launchpad bug 1334 in malone ""Also affects:" "Project…" and "Distribution/Package…" links should be merged" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334 [12:25] thanks, mpt [12:26] * mpt knows that bug number by heart ;-) [12:26] :D [12:26] mpt: Don't you know all the bug numbers by heart? [12:27] not any more [12:27] Hmm. I'm not sure if that's good or not. [12:27] Not since I was told I was spending too much time dealing with new bug reports :-) [12:29] mpt: Yeah: balance of sanity vs. volume :) [12:30] mpt: thanks. Always sad seeing bugs open for months though. [12:32] That one's actually kinda my fault, I should have designed a combined page [12:33] bye and thanks for the help to all [12:46] mpt: sorry, I don't remember a thing: will menus on the right sidebar be collapsible in the new UI? === asac_ is now known as asac [12:52] andrea-bs, no [12:53] mpt: ok, thanks [12:59] mpt: Ermmmm. [12:59] mpt: That is a fatal flaw. [13:00] With the current subscriber setup. [13:00] You will have people flying over just to attack you for that decision. [13:01] wgrant: I think that there will be a "More..." link when subscribers or tags are too much to be listed [13:01] wgrant: there's a bug about that, let me find it [13:02] wgrant, first, the subscription links will very shortly be moving from the bottom to the top of the box [13:02] good to hear [13:02] mpt: And what about the tags list which is dozens of screens long? [13:02] wgrant, second, gmb is going to disappear the "Duplicates of this bug" box so that it's not above the Subscribers box [13:03] Will it go somewhere sane like behind a 'This bug has N duplicates' link? [13:03] wgrant, and third, in the unlikely event that BjornT doesn't fix bug 152878 in time, the source package details box will move above the Subscribers box. [13:03] Launchpad bug 152878 in malone "Source package details box hampers bug page context-independence" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152878 [13:03] wgrant, exactly. [13:03] mpt: Yay! [13:03] What about the tag list? [13:03] Or is that already gone? [13:03] Because it is gigantic in Ubuntu. [13:04] The tag list, that's still a problem. [13:04] Maybe now someone will fix it. ;-) [13:04] It would be wonderful to not have tags exist forever... [13:04] And to require privileges to create new tags... [13:04] wgrant: bug #59154 [13:04] Launchpad bug 59154 in malone "Don't show all tags on the bug listing page" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59154 === salgado-afk is now known as salgado [13:23] The new tabs on the Edge interface have a border at the left-most edge which ruins the rounded effect. [13:25] Odd_Bloke, I don't follow [13:27] Yeah, that's the least specific sentence ever. The new tabs at the top of the interface (Overview, Bugs &c.) seem to have a straight border at the left of each tab, reaching down to the base of the button. [13:27] I wonder if this is a rendering issue. [13:27] Odd_Bloke, what broswer are you using? [13:28] Epiphany. [13:28] Odd_Bloke, we're still not sure exactly which part you're talking about -- could you take a screenshot and draw a ring around the exact problem? [13:29] Sure, gimme a moment. [13:30] thanks [13:31] http://daniel.daniel-watkins.co.uk/Screenshot.png [13:31] mpt: ^ [13:32] weeeird [13:32] Odd_Bloke: Which backend? [13:32] I'm seeing it with Galeon and Iceweasel too. [13:32] As that's not Ubuntu. [13:32] Well, the one that's shared with Galeon and Iceweasel, the name of which completely escapes me. [13:32] Gecko. [13:32] It's Debian (hence Iceweasel). [13:32] wgrant: Yup. [13:32] Epiphany can do WebKit as well. [13:33] Yeah, I was going to say 'not WebKit', but didn't know if there were only two choices. [13:33] Which version of Gecko are you using? [13:33] * andrea-bs uses Epiphany with Gecko too but doesn't have any problem [13:33] Works fine on Intrepid here. [13:33] "Powered by gecko-1.9" [13:33] From Epiphany's About. [13:33] I'm afraid I have to run now. [13:33] What does Iceweasel say? [13:33] Ah. [13:34] Unfortunate. [13:34] "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008062910 Iceweasel/3.0 (Debian-3.0~rc2-2)" [13:34] Anyhow, *GONE*. [13:34] Hrm. [13:35] I don't know what we can do about that [13:35] Possibly it's a problem with the image library [13:36] or a problem with the graphics card === jaypipes_mysql is now known as jaypipes === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [15:42] any admins around that I can ask a quick question? [15:44] HomeDawg: You might ask the question anyway: sometimes other people also have the answer (but not always). [15:46] well, i'm looking to take control of the nubuntu project on launchpad [15:46] tomb has been out of the question for years and is no longer around to move ownership to my accuont [15:47] so, basically, what i was wondering is if there was any way to have that switched over so I can now manage the project [15:47] HomeDawg, file a questions requesting it with all the information [15:48] it has been done before [15:50] any idea what i should submit that o? [15:50] HomeDawg: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [15:50] andrea-bs: thank you :) [15:51] HomeDawg: you're welcome [16:47] hi there [16:48] i want to patch a package an upload to my PPA, but i forgot what should i do, after changes, to make the *_source.changes files [16:48] Hi. I am working on a project which does calculations for dams and how much water they can yield. The project is for work and currently only calculates values based on my country's data. I have permission to release this as GPL from my boss. Does this allow it to be hosted on launchpad? [16:48] legally [16:48] zwnj: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart should be what are you looking for [16:49] If you add all the right GPL headers, it's certainly OK to be hosted as GPL. [16:50] thanks [16:51] #ubuntu-devel === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [18:08] hello [18:09] we in ubuntu-mx-marketing would like to have a mailing list, but when we try to activate it we get a "The application for this team's mailing list has been declined. Please contact a Launchpad administrator for further assistance" message [18:14] Hi guys, I was wondering about bug 134456. How do I get added to the uploaders list for a package at this point? [18:14] Launchpad bug 134456 in soyuz "Soyuz needs package-specific uploaders" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134456 [18:14] since it appears that this fix is released now [18:18] oooh, nice [18:20] yeah it's kinda important too now, since the context of the example in the bug is the situation now [18:23] mario_limonciell: There's currently neither a UI nor an approvals process. [18:24] persia, yeah that's what i had thought was probably the case [18:25] mario_limonciell: As I understand it, getting an approvals process for Ubuntu is currently waiting on TB review of the larger archive-reorg proposal. [18:26] persia, so it's a bit too hopeful for this portion of it to be done sooner than i suppose :( [18:27] hi, I requested a svn import which unfortunately failed (see https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/clam/trunk), which i guess needs to be manually reactivated. Yesterday I left a question about this (https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38806) but no answer so far. Maybe asking here I'm more luky :-) [18:28] mario_limonciell: I'm not sure. I expect per-package to work sooner than per-seed, but in terms of policy, it's probably the same decision. === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [18:29] persia, any idea who particularly is driving this portion of it? [18:29] mario_limonciell: Not really. Colin drafted the proposal, but I don't know if it's been submitted to the TB. It's not on the TB agenda (although I also don't see the next meeting on the fridge). [18:30] so maybe i'll ask colin in -devel then.. [18:35] is there anything we could do to get a mailing list? [18:36] Hello, i have a question : How can i delete my Launchpad account ? [18:37] mzjilani: Not easily: if you delete it, and do anything anywhere, it gets recreated anyway. [18:37] persia : What do you mean by "do anything anywhere" ? [18:38] mzjilani: Commit any code to any tracked project. Submit any bug to any tracked bugtracker. Comment on any said bug. Send email to any tracked list. [18:39] persia : Ok. [18:43] intellectronica: ping [18:44] " Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode. " <- http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lenz-mysql/ [18:45] Isotopp, how did you land on that page? [18:46] via the homepage of mylvmbackup (also gave that message) and then hitting "up" multiple times [18:46] all levels have that message [18:47] Isotopp, well, that's not a valid URL :) [18:47] ah, https://code.launchpad.net/~lenz-mysql/mylvmbackup/trunk is bacl [18:47] Thanks [18:48] but http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lenz-mysql/mylvmbackup/trunk/changes now gives me that mesage [18:48] Isotopp, yes, that's a real problem [18:49] mwhudson, ^ [18:49] Isotopp, admins will take a look [18:49] I'd say trying again in a few minutes should fix it [18:49] if not, we can nag more people :) [18:50] The important thing is that I got my checkout. [18:50] The rest is decoration... [18:51] is launchpad browse source down? [18:51] Please try again Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. [18:51] is the browser message I have been getting [19:01] bdmurray: hi [19:02] intellectronica: Hi, I was looking at bug 191639 again and thought there might be a use case for date-left-closed or something like that [19:02] Launchpad bug 191639 in malone "Bug status transitions should be recorded" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191639 [19:03] lifeless, LH in LP seems dead again [19:04] bdmurray: sure, if you think that you can use it, let's do it. it's quite cheap to implement [19:04] intellectronica: I think it be useful to find bugs that were once closed - unless there is another way to track that... [19:05] bdmurray: well, we have bugactivity, but you know the limitation of that facility. it's quite difficult to search in it, since it's textual. [19:05] intellectronica: right, I'll submit a new bug then [19:06] bdmurray: it's really quite easy to record date_left_closed, so go ahead and file a bug (feel free to subscribe me to it) [19:12] intellectronica: I've reported it as bug 247675 [19:12] Launchpad bug 247675 in malone "record date a closed bug is reopened" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247675 [19:13] bdmurray: thanks. i'll bring it up next week and make sure it gets scheduled soon [19:14] oright, weekend time [19:14] have a good one everyone === asac_ is now known as asac [19:26] codebrowse on http://bazaar.launchpad.net seems to be down :( [19:27] Rinchen, ^ (don't know who to ping) [19:29] bounced [19:30] thanks elmo :) [19:30] thanks, it's working again === asac__ is now known as asac [21:02] Can somebody please abort the running import of https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gnucash/trunk (the admin of the server is complaining about excessive use of bandwidth) and use http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~siretart/gnucash/svn-repo.tar.gz for the initial setup instead? [21:36] Laibsch, someone suspended it for you [21:37] yes [21:37] but the current import is still running [21:37] plus, I'd like somebody to make the import from the tarball [21:38] Laibsch, I have to defer to mwhudson on that. [21:39] He's not available currently. [21:39] Is he the only one who can do the change? [21:39] Will he be available on weekends? [21:40] I understand he is based off NZ [21:41] He's the only one trained for it. I can invalidate the import but I can't import the tarball [21:42] well, that is one more step at least [21:42] I'd be thankful [21:42] do you want me to see if I can completely cancel the import? [21:43] Laibsch, ^^ [21:45] I'm not sure I can cancel it completely without taking down the entire import machine, which I won't do. [21:45] but I can attempt it. [21:47] looks like it will run for another 30 hours before timing out [21:54] yes, please cancel the current import if you can do so without collateral damage [22:02] Laibsch, best I can do is mark it failing (which it is anyway). :-( [22:03] Laibsch, I'm going to email mwh and others and see if I can learn how to do this better in the future. [22:06] thanks [22:08] it seems to me we should have a means to cancel active jobs on the import worker but I don't see an option to do that, even with my admin privs. === wormsxulla___ is now known as wormsxulla === salgado is now known as salgado-afk [23:23] hi, does anyone know the answer to https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38935 ? [23:24] (in short: why do I have xserver-xorg-driver-ati installed, but the info on lp might tell me that it's nonexistant since dapper?) [23:24] (which is only a guess, from what the info about min12xxw tells me) [23:27] sistpoty, I'd pose that one to the ubuntu folks actually [23:27] sistpoty, looks like they are separate packages [23:28] Rinchen: sure, the two are separate packages [23:28] sistpoty, and they configure those packages inside LP, not the LP devs per se [23:29] Rinchen: maybe I should rephrase the question to "how can I determine if a package has been removed from the archive" [23:29] hello [23:29] ah! yes, that's a different question :-) [23:29] (or rather *when*) [23:30] Rinchen: I'm quite puzzled by this, since slangasek told me that he believes that xserver-xorg-driver-ati would have been present still in 8.04 (which matches my broken upgrade path) [23:30] sistpoty, unfortunately I know we can answer that but I cannot since I don't know enough about how that works [23:30] heh [23:31] sorry about that :-( [23:31] Rinchen: anything I should add to make the question more clear? or would you like to clarify? [23:31] np [23:32] sistpoty, no, I'll add something and point the soyuz guys at it. [23:32] Rinchen: ok, thanks a lot! [23:32] sistpoty, maybe you have https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati ? [23:34] beuno: no, actually this package superseeds the -driver package, (but is missing a conflicts entry against it) [23:35] beuno: cf. bug #247681 [23:35] sistpoty: are you sure xserver-xorg-driver-ati is still in intrepid? because apt-cache showsrc doesn't return anything [23:35] Launchpad bug 247681 in xserver-xorg-video-r128 "missing conflict against xserver-xorg-driver-ati" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247681 [23:35] sistpoty, and it's not possible you've been draggong it from dapper? [23:35] it could be if it's installed locally [23:35] geser: my first guess was that it was *not* in intrepid... [23:36] beuno: might be the case actually, but very unlikely, since then xserver-xorg-driver-all would have had an unmet dependency for hardy [23:36] p.u.c lists the package only for dapper [23:36] sistpoty, well, I can't find that package in the archive [23:36] (as told by slangasek) [23:37] geser: yes, and rmadison does as well [23:37] hello [23:37] Yaw burda türkce bilen bi allahin kulu yokmu [23:38] * beuno blinks === X-R3 is now known as KuRDiSTaN [23:38] Burda Türkce Kürtce BiLen Yokmu [23:39] hm... indeed I can confirm that xserver-xorg-driver-ati doesn't exist on gutsy... so it seems likely I dragged it in from dapper [23:39] hmm, would there be any way to tell people when they try to bzr branch that is failed that it isn't an up-to-date branch? [23:39] merhaba I sakin düşünmek birisi -in bizi burada konuşmak Türk. [23:39] except KuRDiSTaN I guess :-) [23:40] Rinchen Sen Türkce biliyonmu [23:40] LaserJock, say what? [23:40] branch that is failed? [23:40] beuno: yeah [23:40] vcsimports [23:41] sistpoty: I see that xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.6.3-2ubuntu1 (feisty) had the conflicts but it isn't mentioned afterwards [23:41] like right now if I bzr branch 3/4 vcsimports I've done they've failed and I get an outdated branch [23:41] LaserJock, ah, they should probably block that before the branch is successful. Sounds like a bug to me :) [23:42] it would be interesting if bzr could tell me that when branching/pulling rather than hunting down why I haven't had any updates for a couple months :-) [23:42] beuno: well, it's after the VCS has been running [23:42] so you I don't know that you can just stop serving that branch [23:43] or I guess that would at least give you an error so maybe it would be better [23:43] geser: it would make some sense, in case the xserver-xorg-video-all has an or'd dependency [23:43] sistpoty: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/xserver-xorg-video-ati/1:6.8.0-1 lists the conflicts also for hardy. only intrepid doesn't have them [23:43] LaserJock, ah, that's an interesting use case. Probably falls on LP side, or a plugin for bzr [23:43] geser: though it still gives me the creeps that slangasek is wrong and I was right in the first place *g* [23:44] beuno: well, for me it's a quite common use case ;-) [23:44] beuno: apparently I only pick projects that kill bzr imports ;-) [23:45] LaserJock, the issue would be distringuishing between branches that just don't have anything new, and branches that have failed [23:45] bzr doesn't have anything that can handle that, but LP could [23:45] but maybe LP should stop serving imports that have failed [23:46] yes, after X days of failing, I think it should [23:46] that sounds like a better bug to file :) [23:46] I have 1 that hasn't worked since Oct./Nov. 2007 :-) [23:46] sistpoty: enjoy it, it won't happen again that fast [23:47] xheh [23:47] -x [23:47] and it tries to import it twice a day :-) [23:48] ah, the server must be quite annoyed [23:48] but yeah, 3 out of 4 isn't a good rate at all :( [23:49] no, although there's something to be said about your choice in branches :) [23:49] well, they don't do anything exotic that I know of [23:50] git-svn/git-cvs work just fine on them ;-) [23:50] another thing that would be a nice general workaround at least [23:50] would be to be able to import from a specific revision on [23:51] stacked branches [23:51] I really don't care too much about the old revisions that broke, I want to see the right now [23:51] that will land in 1.6 [23:51] so that'l work in a couple of weeks :) [23:51] on Launchpad? [23:51] "everywhere" [23:52] LP uses the latest and greates bzr [23:52] but there probably wouldn't be an interface for it [23:52] would the code hosting admins have to do it? [23:54] LaserJock, nope, you will be able to do it from the bzr UI [23:54] beuno: how do you mean? [23:55] LaserJock, let me try and find you a link... [23:56] LaserJock, http://jam-bazaar.blogspot.com/2008/05/this-week-in-bazaar_29.html [23:58] anyway, I'm off to bed now