[00:00] <p2p> its not a warning, its an error
[00:00] <daekdroom> DRI2 for ati?
[00:00] <RAOF> Ok.  That harmless error is harmless, and is going away.
[00:00] <p2p> yes
[00:00]  * daekdroom jumps like a kid.
[00:00] <RAOF> daekdroom: No.
[00:00] <daekdroom> Aw.
[00:00] <p2p> but X doesn't load anyway
[00:00] <RAOF> p2p: Then it's not the dri2 error that's causing it.
[00:00] <daekdroom> RAOF: I thought I was going to have decent videoboard support
[00:01] <RAOF> daekdroom: No one has DRI2 in intrepid.
[00:01] <RAOF> Because libdrm still haven't decided on a memory-manager, and DRI2 requires one.
[00:02] <p2p> I've got both errors
[00:02] <p2p> Failed to load module "dri2"
[00:03] <p2p> and RADEONHD AtomBIOS returned 12 Grey Levels
[00:03] <RAOF> Right, the DRI2 error is normal, and I'm typing this from an X server which has spat the DRI2 error out.
[00:03] <p2p> and the 12 Grey Levels error?
[00:03] <RAOF> The second doesn't exactly sound like an error.
[00:03] <RAOF> Also, try ati rather than radeonhd
[00:05] <RAOF> Pastebinning the whole Xorg.0.log might be a winner, but I'd start by trying the ati driver rather than radeonhd.
[00:06] <p2p> ok, with ati works
[00:06] <p2p> but I don't know why with this xorg intrepid version doesn't ends properly ati-propietary.sh
[00:06] <p2p> it doesn't ends with installation ok
[00:07] <RAOF> p2p: I'm not sure what you're actually saying.  But the answer may be that the fglrx driver doesn't work with xserver 1.5?
[00:07] <daekdroom> xserver 1.5?
[00:07] <daekdroom> Wasn't it 1.4.1?
[00:08] <RAOF> No.
[00:08] <daekdroom> I'm pretty sure I read Alpha 1 had 1.4.1
[00:08] <RAOF> It might have.  We have 1.5 rc5 now.
[00:09] <p2p> yes RAOF
[00:09] <p2p> it doesn't get installed
[00:09] <daekdroom> Well. Maybe fglrx supports an older version of xserver, because I read at unnoficial wiki it had intrepid support
[00:09] <p2p> how can I downgrade xorg version? :S
[00:10] <RAOF> By using Hardy.
[00:11] <p2p> there is no way back, i'm on intrepid :S
[00:12] <RAOF> Then use ati until a package of fglrx is built for Intrepid :)
[00:13] <p2p> that's what i'm going to have to do
[00:18] <daekdroom> .......
[00:19] <daekdroom> Great. Upgraded to Vbox 1.6 before installing intrepid in a VM and now I don't even have Vbox :p
[00:19] <jasperus> strange
[00:19] <p2p> thanks a lot RAOF
[00:19] <jasperus> i installed virtualbox
[00:19] <jasperus> and it is not in my menu
[00:20] <daekdroom> I installed Vbox from Sun's website.
[00:20] <p2p> i prefer new vmware 2.0 rc1
[00:20] <p2p> it doesn't take as much of recurses like vbox-ose
[00:20] <daekdroom> I heard its performance is better than Vbox's
[00:20] <p2p> for my single centrino works really better
[00:21] <daekdroom> I get an error. "A disk read error ocurried"
[00:21] <daekdroom> I think I might have lost my VM's HD.
[00:21] <jasperus> nice
[00:28] <p2p> I've also lost my wireless interface updating to intrepid
[00:28] <p2p> even using old kernel
[00:29] <p2p> I can't see my ath0 interface doing an iwconfig
[00:35] <td123> so where is alpha 2?
[00:35] <daekdroom> Its supposed to be out.
[00:36] <daekdroom> CD Image shows 404 but Wiki links to it.
[00:36] <Amaranth> Every time you ask the release is delayed 2 hours
[00:36] <daekdroom> Great.
[00:36] <td123> Amaranth: so is it out yet? :P
[00:36] <daekdroom> Let's delay 6.10 for 2 months.
[00:36] <daekdroom> and push it to 6.12
[00:36] <Amaranth> how do you delay edgy?
[00:36] <td123> lol
[00:37] <daekdroom> *8.10
[00:37] <daekdroom> My brain is not multitasking optimized
[00:37] <td123> you mean you STILL don't have pthreads?
[00:38] <daekdroom> youtube + fixing a virtual machine + making jokes about ubuntu releases don't scale well.
[00:39] <jasperus> lol
[00:42] <td123> daekdroom: wiki links to alpha-2 image?
[00:43] <daekdroom> td123, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview
[00:44] <td123> ahha, so it will come out soon, nice
[00:44] <daekdroom> hopefully
[01:09] <p2p> i've lost my madwifi drivers even loading old kernel
[01:17] <td123> p2p: did you try reinstalling?
[01:23] <p2p> reinstalling what?
[01:23] <p2p> i don't know why ath_pci kernel module doesn't have been installed
[01:23] <p2p> as with old kernel version
[01:24] <p2p> and also kwin messed up and wasn't installed
[01:37] <td123> p2p: have you tried reinstalling madwifi?
[01:42] <p2p> ok, i've noticed atheros driver has changed it's name
[01:43] <p2p> madwifi-tools?
[01:44] <p2p> or reinstalling madwifi from tarball?
[01:46] <p2p> i've tried but gives me an error when making make install
[01:53] <p2p> this error td123
[01:53] <p2p> http://pastebin.com/m40e3314
[01:57] <td123> p2p:  are you using a developement version of madwifi?
[01:59] <p2p> no .9.4
[02:00] <p2p> i've installed sharutils, build-essential and bin86
[02:01] <td123> ya, well that error message doesn't mean there is something wrong with your tools
[02:01] <p2p> i'm going to try with subversion version
[02:02] <td123> p2p: that just means that __skb_append is defined after it is used.. the compiler doesn't know about that function yet
[02:02] <p2p> i'm going to try another version of madwifi package
[02:05] <p2p> ok, with subversion at least compiles
[02:05] <p2p> td123 now that I have compiled madwifi what should I do?
[02:06] <td123> well I don't know the correct procedure, normally make install to install it.. but you have to read the readme and docs that come with the drivers
[02:07] <p2p> yes, I've done make and make install
[02:07] <p2p> but still don't localizing wireless mi wireless adaptator
[02:09] <p2p> i've modprobed ath_pci module...
[02:10] <td123> p2p: I really have never installed madwifi.. you have to help yourself from here :) I would just be doing the reading for you if I kept helping
[02:12] <p2p> ok, thanks a lot anyway
[02:12] <p2p> my interface now seems to be a wireless interface but doesn't scan
[02:14] <gQuigs> I recently upgraded and it worked for a while, but now many permissions errors have appeared
[02:14] <gQuigs> I can't seem to figure out where they came from
[02:14] <gQuigs> for instance klogd doesn't start with permission errors
[02:15] <gQuigs> and I can't log in with my non-root account because it can't cd to my home directory
[02:16] <gQuigs> if anyone has any suggestions on what to check, it would be appreciated
[02:21] <G_009> try   sudo nautilus  (in a terminal)  on your 'non-root' accnt
[02:22] <gQuigs> I can't get into my non-root account
[02:22] <gQuigs> sudo is also broken
[02:22] <gQuigs> On another machine: -r--r----- 1 root root 655 2008-06-13 13:34 /etc/sudoers
[02:22] <gQuigs> on broken one: -r--r----- 1 root root 470 2008-06-15 01:36 /etc/sudoers
[02:23] <gQuigs> changing that just gives me this: root@homer:/home# sudo
[02:23] <gQuigs> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0650, should be 0440
[02:24] <G_009> !permissions | gQuigs
[02:28] <Jpratt> Hey Everyone, I have tried installin 8.10 several times everytime on boot it throws out a bunch of text and saying Kernel Panicked.
[02:29] <p2p> I don't have konqueror on dolphin and even I had to install kwin when I upgraded to intrepid
[02:29] <p2p> what packages should I install?
[02:30] <gQuigs> oh.. ok... but it's still giving me a permission error
[02:30] <Jpratt> p2p atleast you got it to boot >.>
[02:31] <DanaG> Heh, "security badge" doesn't make me think of "lock channel volumes together"
[02:31] <DanaG> I mean, what does audio balance have to do with security?
[02:31] <Jpratt> I cant even Boot it to install it
[02:31] <Jpratt> I tried installing in a VirtualBox same
[02:31] <Jpratt> And so i was like okay install hardy upgrade packages, all the same Crap >.>
[02:31] <G_009> try another disc and chksum it too
[02:32] <Jpratt> I have tried 2 disks an image and the actual thing
[02:32] <Jpratt> It doesnt give me any menu just says "Kernel Panicked" along with a bunch of other Crap
[02:33] <G_009> you can check cd integrity from the installation menu. did you check there were no errors in it
[02:34] <Jpratt> I have tried 2 disks, an image and a CD (sorry just looked confusing to me so i changed it), It doesnt Get that far, The Only "Install i have been able to do is an upgrade
[02:35] <Jpratt> I would enjoy using it and Helping to make it better, Report Bugs and Stuff because I love Ubuntu
[03:02] <jonpackard> Anybody know if Alpha2 is still coming today?
[03:05] <td123> jonpackard: looks like another bump in the road
[03:07] <shirish> hi all, any idea if I want to find a package to which a certain file/binary is part of, how do I find out that?
[03:07] <shirish> for e.g. if I want to find about /usr/bin/ls  as to which .deb its part of
[03:09] <Hobbsee> dpkg -S
[03:12] <shirish> Hobbsee: I tried that, atleast for this one it doesn't work
[03:13] <shirish> Hobbsee: shirish@Mugglewille:~$ dpkg -S /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[03:13] <shirish> dpkg: /etc/X11/default-display-manager not found.
[03:13] <shirish> Hobbsee: while the file is there in /etc/X11/
[03:13] <RAOF> shirish: That means it's not in any installed package, or is possibly generated at install time.
[03:20] <DanaG> What is it that actually broke OpenGL?
[03:21] <RAOF> In what way is it broken, incidentally?
[03:21] <RAOF> It'll be a linear combination of new X and new mesa.
[03:21] <DanaG> glxinfo       ...         Error: glXCreateContext failed
[03:21] <RAOF> Oooh, cool.
[03:21] <DanaG> ......     X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
[03:22] <DanaG> And Locking assertion failure, with a backtrace starting in libxcb-xlib.
[03:22] <RAOF> Maybe something needs a rebuild.
[03:22] <RAOF> Maybe things are just messed up.
[03:22] <DanaG> Well, at least X itself is fine.
[03:23] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the transition from vesafb to uvesafb may throw people for a loop; luckily, I read (present and past tense both work) the change logs.
[03:23] <DanaG> I saw uvesafb, and remember having tried it (and the precursor vesafb-tng) before, so I knew what to do.
[03:29] <wers> is it just me or did ubuntulooks gtk got faster?
[03:29] <RAOF> I think it might be you.  Unless being built against a newer cairo makes a big difference.
[03:31] <wers> i think, it did make a big difference. I used to have a hard time with it before because of my jurassic specs
[03:31] <DanaG> Hmm, are you actually using the ubuntulooks engine?
[03:32] <wers> DanaG, with the classic Human theme, yes
[03:32] <DanaG> Aah.
[03:33] <DanaG> My theme: http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[03:33] <wers> DanaG, I used to use Nodoka to. IMO, it's one of the best engines
[03:34] <DanaG> If I could get Murrine to look the same, I'd use it.
[03:34] <DanaG> Aurora is pretty cool, too -- but the glossy progress bars clash with the non-glossy $EVERYTHING_ELSE in the theme.
[03:35] <RAOF> I don't like Aurora.  Maybe it's just that I haven't found a decent theme using it, but it's a bit too... big.
[03:35] <wers> DanaG, aurora's too heavy for me
[03:35] <DanaG> s/pretty/reasonably/
[03:35] <DanaG> yeah.
[03:36] <wers> it's very good but it's not polished enough and it's a resource hog
[03:36] <DanaG> It is bulky, compared to Nodoka and others.
[03:37] <wers> yeah. I'm waiting for improvements to the New Human theme
[03:37] <wers> i think, it has a nice future but they just really have to fix usability issues or else, it's not going to be nice
[03:38] <td123> does anyone know why alpha 2 is getting delayed?
[03:38] <RAOF> Is it getting delayed?
[03:39] <cjb> well, alpha1 was delayed
[03:39] <cjb> it seems reasonable to delay alpha2 if you're trying to have the same amount of time between alpha releases
[03:39] <td123> RAOF: I think so, since alpha 2 was supposed to be released today but its already 10pm here @ illinois
[03:40] <RAOF> td123: And in GMT+0, the timezone that counts, it's now 3AM
[03:40] <td123> RAOF: :P so it's officially delayed
[03:40] <Hobbsee> not enough testers
[03:42]  * Hobbsee points at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing#head-23b21b368030f6c1c8d2dd33a06da8cef41e0573
[03:42] <DanaG> Here;s the theme I use when in Windows: eminence
[03:42] <DanaG> http://www.wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=5758&libid=1
[03:44] <td123> DanaG: how much memory does your windows take up from fresh boot?
[04:10] <DanaG> I haven't checked my memory use, actually.
[04:20] <p2p> thats an xp DanaG ?
[04:20] <DanaG> That's not a screenshot of my own desktop, but that theme does work with Windowblinds 6 under both XP and Vista.
[04:21] <DanaG> I've never found a theme I like more than that one.
[04:21] <DanaG> And I haven
[04:21] <DanaG> I haven't yet found a theme I like more than my orange Nodoka theme.
[05:00] <DanaG> Odd: I have two copies of "Blank DVD-ROM Disc" on my desktop.
[05:01] <DanaG> argh, and now brasero is unkillable.
[05:02] <DanaG> Even with -9.
[05:02] <DanaG> Even as root!
[05:02] <DanaG> Argh!
[05:02] <DanaG> sr 12:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device
[05:03] <RAOF> Everyone loves D state!P
[05:03] <RAOF> Kernel patches to un-unkillable such processes are incoming, I seem to recall.
[05:03] <DanaG> We need a "PLEASE*******DIENOW" signal.
[05:03] <DanaG> And I need my firewire CD enclosure to work.... it doesn't.
[05:03] <DanaG> Works fine in Windows.
[05:03] <RAOF> SIGKILL _is_ that signal.
[05:04] <RAOF> The problem is that the program code isn't actually being executed at all, so there's no chance for it to even recieve signals.
[05:04] <DanaG> How about a "remove process from memory" possibility?
[05:04] <DanaG> Instead of signaling it to die.... just make it cease to exist.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> DanaG: isn't that called the power button?
[05:04] <DanaG> Nope, that's ALL processes.
[05:06] <DanaG> And why is there still a "Blank DVD-ROM Disc" on my desktop even after I turn off the enclosure?
[05:08] <DanaG> Argh!
[05:08] <DanaG> Fine, off I go to boot Windows.
[05:12] <emma> DanaG: I wonder if this might be something you would be interested in --- http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/05/howto-restart-ubuntu-safely-when-it-is.html
[05:14] <DanaG> Better idea: different enclosure.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> emma: it apperas that DanaG wants to kill one process, not all of them...
[05:53] <ionstorm> why hasnt intrepid been released on time?
[05:53] <ionstorm> is there some serious issues or something?
[05:55] <RAOF> You mean the Alpha?
[05:55]  * crdlb notes that it is not yet October
[05:56] <ionstorm> yes
[05:57] <ionstorm> alpha of course
[06:00] <RAOF> My, the intrepid kernel _really_ doesn't like unpacking tarballs.
[06:03]  * Hobbsee wonders why X didn't work.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> i could switch to a vt, and just got a black screen
[07:06] <mouz> Hobbsee: using kvm?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> mouz: nope
[07:16] <mouz> Hobbsee: anyway some mention it in bug 243677. That bug is about kvm, but the broken X could be non kvm. I do not have the issue (which is strange; I'm up-to-date). I wonder whether a bug should be filed or maybe that's one thing they are busy with anyway.
[07:16] <mouz> (broken X mentions at the bottom)
[07:44] <geek_inn2> alpha 2 is where
[07:45] <RAOF> Everywhere.
[08:38] <laughtear> HEY, I NEED ATTENTION!  please...
[08:39] <laughtear> i want to talk to somebody who develops ubuntu (for now intrepid ibex). that's important for a user (a human being)
[08:39] <laughtear> (not that much, but it is for ubuntu)
[08:39] <rsk> chek launchpad laughtear
[08:40] <rsk> to get in contact
[08:40] <laughtear> rsk: how, where?
[08:40] <rsk> on the internet
[08:41] <laughtear> ain't there any in irc servers?
[08:41] <rsk> im sure they are but not so much acticity here
[08:42] <rsk> might have to wait a while
[08:42] <rsk> best is to state what you are wondering
[08:42] <rsk> so they can answear whenever they are cheking here
[08:42] <laughtear> rsk: i just woke up, yesterday nite i tried intrepid ibex, now it's what i'm using to talk here. everything looks fine (at least gonna be fine) but one thing i'm afraid going to be forgotten again...
[08:45] <laughtear> rsk: you and all people probably know that today we use a mouse that has at least 2 keys.. and we are used to drag and drop by these buttons, but in ubuntu this could be done only with one on the left. why?. is unix unable to?... i think not, it's been several years ubuntu is being used at home, and this is a foolish mistake.
[08:46] <rsk> right-key is for alt + mouse2
[08:46] <rsk> to drag windows
[08:46] <rsk> try it
[08:46] <rsk> it's one of the nicest things in gnome imho
[08:47] <laughtear> rsk: i know that buddy, and i'm not in the mood of being haved fun of (sorry for bad english, this is from istanbul)
[08:47] <rsk> no problem
[08:49] <laughtear> rsk: for me, this is an issue that should be solved. and second, in both Mac osx and Windows there is an option to rename files by clicking and waiting on the file name. this is sometimes so much necessary for people who is dealing with bunches of files...
[08:50] <laughtear> rsk: here, the rite click is not enough for that...
[08:50] <gnomefreak> laughtear: what do you need help with?
[08:50] <laughtear> rsk: do you and anybody hear?
[08:51]  * gnomefreak cant hear you but i see you typing
[08:52] <laughtear> gnomefreak: i need to be a developer but have a long way to learn stuff you know... for now i just say my opinions...
[08:52] <laughtear> gnomefreak: ;)
[08:53] <gnomefreak> laughtear: if you want help with becoming a dev please try asking in #ubuntu-motu but they will most likely giv eyou the links im about to
[08:53] <gnomefreak> !packaging
[08:53] <gnomefreak> laughtear: those links will help you get started
[08:54] <laughtear> gnomefreak: ok buddy, but please tell these everyone, i will too (at least as a ubuntu loving user).
[09:44] <LSD|Ninja> So, is Alpha 2 late yet? o_O
[09:49] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: No, because it's been delayed to Friday :)
[09:50] <LSD|Ninja> 18th?
[09:53] <RAOF> 12th.
[09:53] <LSD|Ninja> The 12th is Saturday
[09:54] <LSD|Ninja> even in assbackwards america land
[09:58] <RAOF> Quite true.
[09:58] <RAOF> I may mean the 11th.
[09:59] <LSD|Ninja> It's currently 16:58 on the 11th where I am which is why I'm wondering whether it's late or just being released on assbackwards americaland time
[10:00] <RAOF> Canonical _remains_ based in the UK, on GMT+0.  It's about 9am there.
[10:11] <molgrum> how's nvidia going?
[10:13] <Unksi> closed
[10:14] <molgrum> you mean it's done?
[10:14] <molgrum> Unksi
[10:18] <Unksi> that they are closed ;) there seems to be some new packages, so i guess they are going to be working soon
[10:19] <molgrum> ah ok, nice
[10:20] <RAOF> I think they work right now.
[10:20] <RAOF> As long as you're using new enough ones.
[10:21] <LSD|Ninja> Will my GF2MX be orhpaned in Intrepid? That would be... unfortunate
[10:24] <molgrum> RAOF: i have all sources checked, and security is added as third-party cause of a bug
[10:25] <molgrum> what package exactly is it that keeps nvidia from working?
[10:25] <RAOF> Security is empty, anyway.
[10:25] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: Only if nvidia don't update their drivers.  Aren't proprietary drivers wonderful?
[10:26] <molgrum> hehe
[10:27] <LSD|Ninja> RAOF: nVidia dropped support for GF2s ages ago, what I'm wondering is will nvidia-legacy survive into intrepid or not because I don't have anything to replace that card with and it's not strictly important that that machine run Linux so...
[10:27] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: We've now got 4 drivers (nvidia dropped support for geforce 5 in their latest drivers)
[10:28] <RAOF> Your GF2MX will be supported by _something_ until the end of time.
[10:29] <LSD|Ninja> good to know :)
[11:13] <afflux> morning
[15:18] <yuriy> hmm nvidia-glx-new still not installable
[15:18] <yuriy> though the .26 kernel now boots
[15:19] <pheeror> nice, what error did you get before?
[16:01] <daekdroom> Alpha 2 isn't out yet.
[16:01] <daekdroom> >.<
[16:02] <pheeror> tomorrow
[18:42] <geek_inn2> are we there yet
[18:47] <jasperus> nope
[19:06] <td123> does anyone know the ubuntu testing channel?
[19:13] <jasperus> td123 what do you mean?
[19:14] <td123> jasperus: nvm
[19:14] <jasperus> Alright
[19:16] <td123> jasperus: it's #ubuntu-testing
[19:16] <jasperus> Thanks.
[20:47] <daekdroom> Anyone else having kernel panics when running Intrepid under Vbox?
[20:48] <nand> daekdroom: I used to, while loading the live CD
[20:48] <nand> strangely, removing and reloading the CD on vbox fixed the pb.
[20:48]  * nand is wondering if it is a vbox issue
[20:49] <daekdroom> I had them while loading the alternate CD, but it disappeared. during 2nd boot it happened again.
[20:49] <nand> yeah, in fact I was using the alternate CD too
[23:59] <molgrum> nvidia drivers?