| Chriz21 | Hello | 04:07 |
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| Chriz21 | is there anyway to get this on my eeepc? | 04:07 |
| persia | Chriz21: Not so easily. You'd need to use an i386 kernel and lpia userspace. | 04:08 |
| Chriz21 | any tutorials? | 04:09 |
| Chriz21 | lpia??? | 04:09 |
| Chriz21 | ? | 04:11 |
| Chriz21 | persia ya there? | 04:13 |
| persia | While several people have talked about it, I don't know that anyone wrote a tutorial. | 04:13 |
| persia | lpia is "Low Power Intel Architecture" as is another architecture in the archive. It's somewhat like i386 vs. amd64, except for different reasons. | 04:14 |
| persia | s/as/and/ | 04:14 |
| Chriz21 | so it will not just work outta da box? | 04:15 |
| Chriz21 | persia is there anyway to do something like apt-get install mobile-desktop from an eeexubuntu install? | 04:16 |
| persia | Chriz21: You can do that, but it won't generate the right environment. | 04:18 |
| Chriz21 | :( | 04:19 |
| persia | There are currently too many lpia-specific changes to the source packages. | 04:19 |
| persia | Yeah, it's not ideal :( | 04:19 |
| Chriz21 | yeah... | 04:19 |
| Chriz21 | so how would you go about putting the MID on the eeepc? | 04:19 |
| Chriz21 | persia btw what platform would i use? | 04:21 |
| Chriz21 | mccaslin? | 04:21 |
| persia | That kernel won't boot (assuming you've a C7-M Eee). You'd need to build a custom image. | 04:21 |
| Chriz21 | C7-M? | 04:22 |
| Chriz21 | if i reboot into my ubuntu install can you help me do that? | 04:22 |
| persia | Not easily: I'm not that familiar with mixing architectures. You probably have to do some fairly low-level hacking (and I don't have an Eee) | 04:23 |
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| ogra | lool, persia, do you guys think it makes sense to create ubuntu-netbook a a team in LP ? (i dont want to clash with the remix guys, they dont seem to claim that namespace though (everything tehy do is using *-netbook-remix)) | 11:22 |
| ogra | s/a/as/ | 11:22 |
| lool | ogra: What would it be for? | 11:23 |
| persia | ogra: If you think there is value in a team: I'm increasingly of the opinion that LP teams only make sense when there is code to commit. | 11:23 |
| persia | (or some other permission) | 11:23 |
| ogra | lool, well, the netbook community indeed | 11:24 |
| persia | ogra: Would you imagine such a team managing a collection of seeds? | 11:24 |
| ogra | hmm, seed management should probably be under ubuntu-mobile | 11:24 |
| ogra | and -netbook should be a subteam | 11:25 |
| lool | If we have no immediate need for a new netbook team, I don't think we should create one | 11:25 |
| ogra | i just fear someone grabbing the name :) | 11:25 |
| persia | If seed management is done by the Mobile team, what LP permission requires a netbook team? | 11:25 |
| lool | If there's aneed such as coworking on a particular project, hosting code and packages etc. then I'm for it | 11:25 |
| persia | Namespace probably won't be an issue: if someone else created such a team, I can't imagine they would want to exclude you. | 11:26 |
| ogra | thats not what i fear :) but i suspect we'll have subpages for Netbook on the mobile wiki pages as well ... | 11:27 |
| ogra | was just a thought about consistency | 11:27 |
| persia | Will we? I think of the two as very distinct use cases. | 11:27 |
| persia | Mobile is what I'd like to have on my Zaurus (not that it is powerful enough). | 11:28 |
| ogra | i think they will be very close though ... | 11:28 |
| ogra | we'll surely use the same basic system seeds etc | 11:28 |
| persia | Netbook is more for something like my SR8, which is too small to be good for -desktop, but on which -mobile looks terrible. | 11:28 |
| ogra | and only differ in the desktop package set | 11:28 |
| persia | ]That would be different seeds. | 11:28 |
| ogra | on the toplevel | 11:29 |
| ogra | oh, you dont differentiate that in -mobile ? | 11:29 |
| ogra | (-standard, -minimal, etc) | 11:29 |
| persia | Well, both are likely to inherit the core seeds, but I didn't think the mobile seeds resembled an onion, really. | 11:29 |
| persia | Oh, that's all likely to completely change. | 11:30 |
| persia | So, the future: | 11:30 |
| ogra | ah, i didnt know | 11:30 |
| persia | There will be a single group of all seeds. | 11:30 |
| persia | Different LP teams will manage different seeds for different flavours. | 11:30 |
| ogra | well, thats the current situation already | 11:31 |
| persia | Where there is overlap, there may be additional seeds (e.g. the "platform" seed, which may become the "core" seed). | 11:31 |
| ogra | for the top level ones at least | 11:31 |
| ogra | ah, k | 11:31 |
| persia | Packages referenced by a given seed then become maintained by the team coordinating that seed (after archive-admin review for any changes). | 11:31 |
| ogra | but this platform seed might differ massivley on mobile and netbook platforms vs stadard desktops | 11:31 |
| persia | Currently, there's only 7 approved seed collections: any further would require TB approval. | 11:32 |
| ogra | (do you want compilers and headers on mobile for example ?) | 11:32 |
| persia | Of course, that's not fully approved yet. | 11:32 |
| persia | Well, mobile will need anything not core on which mobile packages build-depend. | 11:32 |
| ogra | in the install ?? | 11:32 |
| persia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation is the current proposal. | 11:32 |
| persia | Right. There's still (roughly) install, ship, and supported. I don't expect a compiler is appropriate for -mobile by default. | 11:33 |
| * ogra surely doesnt want to waste his very limited diskspace on gcc or linux-headers for netbook | 11:33 | |
| ogra | currently the standard or minimal seed depends on them | 11:34 |
| ogra | (not sure which one from the top of my head) | 11:34 |
| ogra | and its likely that the desktop platform seed will do so in the future | 11:34 |
| ogra | so i assume for mobile there will be a stripped version of this ... which i would use for -netbook as well | 11:35 |
| persia | ogra: Yes, but a hypothetical -netbook seed doesn't need to inherit from that: germinate will help create the build-depends, depends/recommends, etc. lists. | 11:35 |
| persia | Ideally, one lists the top-level packages one needs. Everything else gets populated by germinate. | 11:36 |
| ogra | hmm | 11:36 |
| ogra | i dont see that working like that, but we'll see | 11:36 |
| persia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement | 11:36 |
| persia | Actually, that page doesn't do such a good job of describing it :( | 11:37 |
| persia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Germinate does better. | 11:38 |
| persia | ogra: What do you see missing from that model? | 11:39 |
| ogra | but that still uses the same required and minimal seed all over the place | 11:39 |
| ogra | i see missing a mobile-minimal or required seed that is stipped down | 11:40 |
| ogra | i'm sure tere are many apps we dont want from the minimal set | 11:40 |
| persia | Then we just don't depend on minimal. I don't see the issue. | 11:42 |
| persia | Remember, there's no reason one needs to specify certain dependencies in STRUCTURE, as long as one generates a consistent system. | 11:42 |
| persia | ogra: I don't see anything from aptitude show ubuntu-minimal that I'd encourage dropping. Which app? | 11:48 |
| ogra | tsaksel ... | 11:52 |
| ogra | *task | 11:52 |
| ogra | in the cmpc image i was requested to remove aptitude | 11:52 |
| ogra | which tasksel depends on | 11:52 |
| ogra | as an example | 11:52 |
| persia | I suppose if I had to choose, we might drop aptitude, less, netcat, python (keeping python-minimal), tasksel, and vim-tiny, but that's trimming *really* tight. | 11:53 |
| persia | If tasksel depends on aptitude, aptitude shouldn't also be in the seed. | 11:53 |
| ogra | well, the aptitude removal (which pulls some extra packages as well) gained me about 5M | 11:53 |
| ogra | its just an example | 11:53 |
| ogra | indeed i cant predict the future ... | 11:54 |
| ogra | but if every byte counts we will likely have a completely different set of low level seeds | 11:54 |
| persia | ogra: If every byte counts, we probably don't want any seed dependencies. | 11:54 |
| persia | On the other hand, not using the required seed might make it a bit tricky, as policy doesn't mandate Depends: on required. | 11:55 |
| persia | ogra: Watching -devel: are you planning to push imagewriter again this weekend, or can we look at it together next week? | 11:58 |
| ogra | i want the package in | 12:01 |
| ogra | we can change it next week indeed | 12:01 |
| ogra | i'm not pushing, pitti is just processing NEW from my last upload | 12:01 |
| persia | ogra: OK. I've just still a bit of backlog I want to clear today, but have a short list of fixes for it that I'd be happy to add (e.g. licensing, packaging, etc.) | 12:02 |
| ogra | oh, then i'll wait for your fixes and dont fiddle myself :) | 12:03 |
| ogra | make sure to have synced to the last upstream branch though .... i added gettext-isation | 12:03 |
| ogra | and pushed the pot to LP already | 12:03 |
| persia | ogra: As long as you don't mind waiting for a few days (e.g. Monday or Tuesday). Let's you concentrate on the knotty dd issue :) | 12:04 |
| persia | s/'// | 12:04 |
| ogra | ok | 12:05 |
| ogra | persia, right :) | 12:12 |
| ogra | thast what i meant with you have a solution pending :P | 12:12 |
| persia | ogra: Ah, my solution being that I'll do all the busywork packaging so you can fix dd :) | 12:13 |
| ogra | ha :) | 12:14 |
| ogra | well, thats a solution :) | 12:14 |
| persia | The only other thing I thought of was doing a call-out from inside python, rather than calling a script. | 12:15 |
| persia | The trick is getting the status counter back for the progress bar. | 12:16 |
| persia | The ugly way is to send USR1 every pulse and parse the output. I'm sure there's something more elegant. | 12:17 |
| ogra | not for dd | 12:18 |
| ogra | it doesnt output without sending USR1 | 12:18 |
| ogra | and even that output goes to stderr instead of stdout | 12:19 |
| persia | Trapping stderr from a call-out isn't impossible. Are you sure we can't get anything with the right status= argument? | 12:19 |
| ogra | ther is sdd though ... but if we switch to that my stability point which was the reason to choose dd is moot and we can as well take py | 12:19 |
| * persia isn't much of a dd expert. | 12:19 | |
| * ogra is a friend of using existing proven tools ... | 12:20 | |
| persia | Yes. Always better to use the toolkit rather than writing new (surely buggy) code. | 12:20 |
| ogra | i have seen to much weird code that i.e. modifies /etc/passwd instead of using adduser or useradd in my life :) | 12:20 |
| persia | Isn't there a new one of those published every month or so? | 12:21 |
| ogra | so my first shot is always to use the proven tool | 12:21 |
| ogra | those ?? | 12:22 |
| persia | New code in cool-language-of-the-month with cool-interface-of-the-month to directly parse, modify, and break /etc/passwd. | 12:22 |
| ogra | ah, likely heh :) | 12:23 |
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| MeniShevitz | hi all, anybody around? | 18:31 |
| persia | MeniShevitz: Many people. | 18:34 |
| MeniShevitz | that's good. can any of said people tell me how well ubuntu mobile runs on VIA machines yet? | 18:34 |
| MeniShevitz | vx700 chipset, c7m 1.2ghz cpu | 18:35 |
| persia | MeniShevitz: The lpia kernel doesn't boot, and hardy ubuntu-mobile isn't complete. | 18:35 |
| MeniShevitz | oh. shame, i wanted free cool stuff :( | 18:36 |
| persia | Supposedly, you ought be able to run an i386 kernel and lpia userspace, but none of the people I've mentioned this to have reported back that it works. | 18:36 |
| MeniShevitz | it's still a good chan to seek people with my model of umpc to bug for help right? | 18:37 |
| MeniShevitz | ^_^ | 18:37 |
| ogra | likely the best one for that :) | 18:38 |
| MeniShevitz | great :D | 18:38 |
| MeniShevitz | soooo.... | 18:38 |
| MeniShevitz | anybody 'round with a Gigabyte U60 (aka Medion RIM 1000)? | 18:38 |
| MeniShevitz | it's a sweet machine... if you're into developing your own drivers :P | 18:39 |
| MeniShevitz | or just using xp... | 18:39 |
| ogra | well, the plan is to develop something for 8.10 that runs on these little netbooks | 18:40 |
| ogra | currently we only have a mobile specific image | 18:41 |
| * ogra is trying to change that | 18:41 | |
| * MeniShevitz noticed that, thought it ought to be a typo | 18:44 | |
| MeniShevitz | thanks ogra... do you have a VIA machine too? | 18:46 |
| ogra | nope, i'm currently having only the father of all subnotebooks in three HW versions ... | 18:47 |
| ogra | the classmate PC | 18:47 |
| GrueMaster | davidm: ping I hear you need psb video drivers for the next gen Ubuntu. | 18:47 |
| ogra | indeed that has no via HW | 18:48 |
| MeniShevitz | cool... i'm looking for a fellow via user to mooch some knowledge from :) | 18:48 |
| davidm | GrueMaster, yes, we need drivers for Linux 2.6.26 and X 1.5 | 18:50 |
| GrueMaster | I'll need some help creating a development environment if you aren't using MIC for this. | 18:50 |
| ogra | MeniShevitz, what i plan to have is something thats generic enough to run on all x86 compatible netbooks (either as separate image or as ubuntu metapackage that you can install on top of a normal mobile install) | 18:51 |
| MeniShevitz | that will be sweet... heck, i even got os x leopard to run on my little bugger :) | 18:52 |
| MeniShevitz | though it was a pointless ride with no qe/ci and at 800x480 :P | 18:53 |
| ogra | you could try my classmate image, but that has lots and lots of hardcoded and machine specific stuff in it | 18:53 |
| MeniShevitz | nah, i'm not l33t enough | 18:53 |
| ogra | davidm, one critical bug solved, three to go btw ... just building an image with the fix | 18:54 |
| davidm | very very cool | 18:54 |
| GrueMaster | Once I get a dev environment, it should only take a few minutes to build the driver packages, assuming a clean compile. | 18:55 |
| davidm | by the by looking forward to catching up next week in Lexington. Good to have everyone in one place | 18:55 |
| ogra | yeah | 18:57 |
| pmcgowan | davidm, the fridge is stocked | 19:00 |
| davidm | Way cool, thanks, looking forward to catching up with everyone. | 19:00 |
| * ogra has so much to learn about the lexington way things work ... | 19:01 | |
| ogra | and i'm eager to :) | 19:01 |
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| MeniShevitz | anybody managed to install the Gigabyte U60 drivers under 8.04? | 19:24 |
| MeniShevitz | i've got some .ko files for the vga adapter from the official site, but they come with no instructions | 19:27 |
| MeniShevitz | :( | 19:27 |
| ogra | adding them to the kernel is like gambling ... unless you know they are exactly for the abi version used in the kernel you run | 19:28 |
| MeniShevitz | in other words - let the big boys get them in the cvs meni, right? | 19:29 |
| MeniShevitz | :) | 19:29 |
| MeniShevitz | the wibrain drivers work btw, but they poop up the screen output | 19:30 |
| persia | MeniShevitz: If you can find the VCS repo for the drivers, and file a bug, there's a chance the kernel team might merge them. | 19:31 |
| MeniShevitz | if i knew what a vcs is... >< you guys are making me feel dumb! ;) | 19:32 |
| persia | Version Control System: for drivers, probably a git repository. | 19:32 |
| MeniShevitz | oh thanks... not really, i guess one would have to contact Gigabyte for that | 19:33 |
| persia | Depends on the manufacturer: some companies have public VCS, some don't. When it's public, the kernel team is usually willing to handle the coordination. When it's private, it's more complicated. | 19:34 |
| MeniShevitz | hmmm... will a link to the download site help, or is that just tossing work at unsuspecting folks? | 19:36 |
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| MeniShevitz | yeah, thought so... | 19:40 |
| persia | Link to binary download isn't so useful, as it's hard to integrate. | 19:40 |
| MeniShevitz | hmmm... have'nt really seen anything else on the site | 19:41 |
| MeniShevitz | it's supposed to be for 7.10 though so i guess no go | 19:42 |
| MeniShevitz | i haven't even been able to get the touch screen working:/ | 19:42 |
| MeniShevitz | is there a good guide on xorg.conf proper usage? | 19:43 |
| * ogra would do mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old and try if xorg cant detect it itself :) | 19:44 | |
| MeniShevitz | oohhhhhhhh... thanks! doing it right now:) | 19:45 |
| ogra | with 80% of the drivers that works better than putting up an xorg.conf | 19:45 |
| ogra | but wont give you keyboard settings | 19:45 |
| GrueMaster | So what needs to happen for me to build an intrepid menlow development environment under Hardy? Can I take a daily Hardy snapshot and just change the source.list* to point to intrepid and apt-get update? | 19:45 |
| ogra | or touchscreen tweaks (claibration) | 19:45 |
| MeniShevitz | restarting ex... | 19:46 |
| MeniShevitz | *x | 19:46 |
| MeniShevitz | no go... and screen res is too low to use the calib util:/ | 19:46 |
| persia | GrueMaster: The images use unionfs, which may not track the development version well. | 19:48 |
| persia | There are two options: one is to do as you've described, although this will likely break at some point, and you'll have to refresh. | 19:49 |
| GrueMaster | persia: ? I know that the img files use unionfs. What I'm asking is if I can use MIC to create an image or at least a Hardy image then update the repository. | 19:50 |
| persia | The other would be to do a debootstrap install of lpia, although the ubuntu-mobile meta images are likely still broken for intrepid. | 19:50 |
| persia | GrueMaster: You ought be able to do so. | 19:50 |
| ogra | MeniShevitz, well, was worth a try | 19:51 |
| GrueMaster | Ok. | 19:51 |
| GrueMaster | Let me see what I can do and post back after lunch. | 19:51 |
| persia | GrueMaster: If you do use MIC, I recommend changing sources.list in your project, adn updating there, rather than on the image. | 19:51 |
| GrueMaster | ok. That's where I do the builds anyways. | 19:52 |
| GrueMaster | At the project level, not the target. | 19:52 |
| persia | Oh. That works. | 19:52 |
| MeniShevitz | thanks ogra :) | 19:53 |
| MeniShevitz | out of default repos, what's the recommended unichrome flavor? | 19:54 |
| MeniShevitz | gonna try and force use the correct screen via xorg.conf | 19:55 |
| ogra | openchrome | 19:57 |
| ogra | nicely called via as driver in xorg.conf :) happy confusion | 19:57 |
| MeniShevitz | meh... tried uni first. black screen:| | 19:58 |
| MeniShevitz | wow... i think i've found the problem... my xconf Device section: | 19:59 |
| MeniShevitz | Section "Device" | 19:59 |
| MeniShevitz | Identifier "configured video device" | 19:59 |
| MeniShevitz | EndSection | 20:00 |
| MeniShevitz | no via no nothing:| | 20:00 |
| MeniShevitz | what's the missing line? | 20:00 |
| ogra | no, thats the default way in ubuntu now | 20:00 |
| MeniShevitz | oh. | 20:01 |
| MeniShevitz | darn... VIA's so darn touchy | 20:01 |
| ogra | so there is nothing missing ... but indeed you cn add lines as you like, they will then be used | 20:01 |
| ogra | so whats xactly your prob ? only the resolution ? | 20:02 |
| ogra | if so, that might not be graphics driver related but rather be the display not reporting its capabilities | 20:04 |
| MeniShevitz | well, using the wibrain driver the resolution is wrong | 20:05 |
| MeniShevitz | using any driver from the repos gives me a black screen | 20:05 |
| MeniShevitz | i hear it all working | 20:05 |
| MeniShevitz | but output goes to vga port | 20:05 |
| MeniShevitz | :/ | 20:05 |
| MeniShevitz | how can i force output to lcd? if it's not too much | 20:05 |
| ogra | xrandr wuld be an option, but you cant get the info you need for that without having X running | 20:06 |
| MeniShevitz | brb, gonna hook it up to some screen and remove uni/openchrome | 20:06 |
| MeniShevitz | for some reason apt-get remove unichrome openchrome din't work | 20:06 |
| MeniShevitz | guess super cow powers don't always cut it:) | 20:07 |
| ogra | well, even super cows need the right address to get somewhere | 20:09 |
| ogra | xserver-xorg-video-openchrome and xserver-xorg-video-unichrome is what you want ;) | 20:10 |
| MeniShevitz | lol, figured so :) | 20:14 |
| MeniShevitz | did it the hard way already though... downloading the wibrain driver now | 20:14 |
| * MeniShevitz wonders atype how sweet it would be to have freelance driver dudes swarm the osx86 project | 20:15 | |
| MeniShevitz | btw, the wibrain drivers are from google code, so there shouldn't be much trouble incorporating 'em :) | 20:17 |
| MeniShevitz | they're the best v700 drivers for 800x480 screens i found so far, i.e, only working ones i could cope with :) | 20:20 |
| MeniShevitz | but they're preconfigured to work with a 1024x600 panel, which gives slight calibration errors on all resolutions | 20:21 |
| ogra | svn checkout http://wibrain-b1l.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ wibrain-b1l-read-only | 20:21 |
| ogra | ^^^ this is the VCS address persia was talking about | 20:21 |
| MeniShevitz | ohhhhh cool :) where do i send it again? | 20:22 |
| MeniShevitz | whom do i inform? | 20:22 |
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| * MeniShevitz is too unix dumb to do the actual work himself | 20:22 | |
| persia | MeniShevitz: You'd file a bug asking for inclusion. If it's userspace, and you need a new app, file it against "ubuntu", and add the "needs-packaging" tag. | 20:22 |
| persia | if it7s kernelspace, file it against the "linux" source package (in ubuntu). | 20:23 |
| * persia knows nothing about wiibrain, and is just giving generic advice | 20:23 | |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug | 20:24 |
| ogra | MeniShevitz, ^^^^ | 20:24 |
| MeniShevitz | thanks, i don't need more than generic advice i think | 20:25 |
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| MeniShevitz | ok, now it's time to show how daft i really am... adding a tag is just writing "needs-packaging", right? | 20:26 |
| persia | MeniShevitz: After you create the bug, there should be a link to "Edit Description/tags", and from there you can add the tag. | 20:27 |
| persia | Alternately, if you use the complicated bug filing form, you can do it directly. | 20:27 |
| MeniShevitz | cool thanks... again, sorry for being a nag :) | 20:27 |
| ogra | launchpad is not easy in the beginning | 20:28 |
| ogra | so dont worry, we all were where you are atm ;) | 20:29 |
| persia | No worries. We all have to start somewhere, and getting support for more devices is key to market domination :) | 20:29 |
| MeniShevitz | :))) | 20:30 |
| ogra | and market domination is key to world domination !!! | 20:30 |
| ogra | ;) | 20:30 |
| * persia doesn't want to rule the world: too much work. I only want root on all the computers in the world. | 20:30 | |
| ogra | i didnt say anything about rulig | 20:31 |
| ogra | :) | 20:31 |
| ogra | *ruling | 20:31 |
| MeniShevitz | lol@rooting.globe | 20:33 |
| MeniShevitz | submitted:) | 20:34 |
| MeniShevitz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/247700 | 20:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 247700 in ubuntu "A display driver for v700 via umpcs" [Undecided,New] | 20:34 |
| persia | ogra: If you're not going to rule it, what do you do with the world once you've taken it over? Give it back and try again tomorrow night? | 20:35 |
| ogra | persia, i trust the people to be able t rule themselves :) | 20:37 |
| ogra | they just should make sure they dont mess it up ... i would only intervene here and there | 20:39 |
| MeniShevitz | ## at line start ignores it right? | 20:39 |
| MeniShevitz | you trust people... that's your problem right there:) | 20:40 |
| ogra | one of them is enough | 20:40 |
| stgraber | persia: get root on all computers ... all you need is to hardcode your pubkey in openssh and make it added to the minimal seed, doesn't sound that hard :) | 20:40 |
| persia | stgraber: Nah. I just have to upload something in the minimal seed. Then everyone executes my code. | 20:40 |
| persia | openssh can be defeated by firewalls. | 20:41 |
| ogra | MeniShevitz, well, you either trust people or have to do the work yourself ... | 20:41 |
| ogra | i'm lazy thats why i'm a developer :) | 20:41 |
| ogra | (the lazyer you are the better you are suited to be a programmer ... if work annoys you you will start to write a program to do it for you ;) ) | 20:42 |
| MeniShevitz | :) i'm lazy and distrustful... it's great to be me. | 20:42 |
| stgraber | ogra: hmm, what would it be if you had to do all the work :) you already get only a few hours of sleep each day or two ... we'd need at least 50 hours days to do the work :) | 20:43 |
| ogra | well, world domination .... you could just declare 50h days :) | 20:44 |
| persia | 42 fits better with other people's schedules, plus it means that after a two-day weekend, there's only two days left each week on which one need to focus one's laziness | 20:44 |
| MeniShevitz | metric days - like that wasn't tried before:P | 20:44 |
| ogra | and in the end its even the answer t everything :) | 20:45 |
| ogra | *to | 20:45 |
| MeniShevitz | but wouldn't a day stay a day, just divided differently? | 20:45 |
| ogra | just a day with more dark moments ... | 20:47 |
| MeniShevitz | anyway i'm back at square one with the wiibrain driver | 20:47 |
| ogra | open a terminal in X and type in xrandr | 20:48 |
| ogra | it shouold drop you a list of devices and a list of modes for each of them | 20:48 |
| MeniShevitz | sweet, got the hang i think :) | 20:49 |
| MeniShevitz | now to force xorg.conf... | 20:49 |
| ogra | no | 20:49 |
| ogra | look what xrandr reports as modes ? | 20:50 |
| ogra | one of tehm should have a * next to it | 20:50 |
| ogra | thats the current one | 20:50 |
| MeniShevitz | it shows 640*480 up to 1024*600 | 20:50 |
| ogra | which one is used ? | 20:51 |
| MeniShevitz | the one i need is 848*480, it ALMOST fits | 20:51 |
| ogra | 848 ? | 20:51 |
| MeniShevitz | yups. 800 shows too low | 20:52 |
| MeniShevitz | leaves a 20% black bar at the top, and the bottom part won't show:/ | 20:52 |
| ogra | is 848 listed ? | 20:52 |
| persia | 848! Not 852? | 20:52 |
| * persia hasn't heard of 848x480 before | 20:52 | |
| MeniShevitz | it has both, but 852 is 4 more pixels i don't see :P | 20:54 |
| ogra | so is any of the modes you want listed by xrandr ? | 20:54 |
| MeniShevitz | trying to set Server Layout to Default Monitor instead of the costume wiibrain screen | 20:54 |
| MeniShevitz | it's listed, but when used it's miscalibrated | 20:54 |
| ogra | hmm | 20:55 |
| ogra | run vidtune :) | 20:55 |
| ogra | errr | 20:55 |
| ogra | xvidtune | 20:55 |
| ogra | it allows you to adjust the screen and will generate you a modeline for xorg.conf | 20:56 |
| MeniShevitz | one mo'... trying Default Screen first... :) | 20:56 |
| MeniShevitz | seems to be doing the trick... | 20:56 |
| MeniShevitz | (i'm talking noobspeech aren't i?:x) | 20:56 |
| ogra | all fine, dont worry :) | 20:57 |
| MeniShevitz | Yeeeeeeepeeeeeeee! :D | 20:58 |
| ogra | :) | 20:58 |
| MeniShevitz | Acceleration seems to be working, video ain't as jittery :D | 20:58 |
| MeniShevitz | now to make it 1024x600 downscaled to 800x480 | 20:58 |
| ogra | the keyboard of the device looks almost usably big | 20:58 |
| MeniShevitz | it's a sweet if weak machine... | 20:59 |
| MeniShevitz | guess xubuntu would've been the better choice but i picked "classic" :) | 20:59 |
| MeniShevitz | real cheap too | 21:00 |
| ogra | does it do GL ? | 21:00 |
| MeniShevitz | nah... not with the wibrain driver | 21:01 |
| MeniShevitz | and with the via driver i get colored lines which slowly (within 4 seconds) cover the monitor rendering it white and scaring me with the feel it might break for good | 21:01 |
| MeniShevitz | btw, have you checked my bug report? i'm kinda jittery about it, hoping i haven't cocked it :) | 21:02 |
| MeniShevitz | where can i find example xorg.confs? googling for it in the background | 21:04 |
| ogra | probably on the forums | 21:04 |
| ogra | though they might rather be for eeePCs or some such | 21:05 |
| MeniShevitz | if only i remembered my ubuntu forums pass :) | 21:05 |
| MeniShevitz | hmmm... hopefully it's an x-server thing and not driver dependent | 21:05 |
| MeniShevitz | damn... i wasn't as bright as i thought | 21:09 |
| MeniShevitz | Default Monitor pointed back to vesa driver:/ | 21:09 |
| MeniShevitz | all unhatched chickens counted :P | 21:11 |
| MeniShevitz | wow...i think i heard x cry :| | 21:30 |
| persia | MeniShevitz: You can usually quiet it by muting the inputs on your sound card :) | 21:31 |
| MeniShevitz | :D | 21:35 |
| MeniShevitz | the cry came from the very heart of x, it was not input insofar as it was pure emotion, kindled in the machine for the first time, in a machine for the first time, by my inane abuse | 21:36 |
| ogra | can you get it starting with the driver from google ? | 21:36 |
| persia | :) | 21:37 |
| MeniShevitz | could, and will be able to again soon, even if it means a reinstall :| | 21:38 |
| ogra | do that ... if its off xvidtune should help to kick it in place | 21:39 |
| MeniShevitz | yeah... only figured xvidtune had nothing to do with xvid when it was too late O_o | 21:40 |
| MeniShevitz | sooooo my bad | 21:40 |
| MeniShevitz | btw, the wibrain driver is kinda messy in that that it adds modelines for any possible res | 21:40 |
| MeniShevitz | to xorg.conf | 21:41 |
| MeniShevitz | hmmm... xvidtune doesn't seem to really have any effect | 21:56 |
| MeniShevitz | can i specify for which screen? | 21:56 |
| MeniShevitz | need it run sudo? | 21:57 |
| ogra | you need to click the test button :) | 22:01 |
| ogra | after every change | 22:01 |
| ogra | (or apply, but test is safer, that reverts after some seconds) | 22:01 |
| MeniShevitz | i got it but test has no result:( | 22:06 |
| ogra | did you change any values ? | 22:07 |
| ogra | you need to change values and then click test | 22:07 |
| MeniShevitz | yeah of course | 22:15 |
| * MeniShevitz dislikes VIA | 22:23 | |
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