| sbeattie | Here's an img of the screen artifact I saw: http://www.nxnw.org/~steve/tmp/screenshot-intrepid-artifact-small.jpg | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| sbeattie | Machine looks to have locked up. :-( | 00:00 |
| LaserJock | sbeattie: yep, mine was the same, slightly different position (mine was a tad to the right) | 00:01 |
| sbeattie | Mmm, how much ram are you giving your VMs? | 00:08 |
| sbeattie | I got my crash machine to boot, but it has 1GB of RAM. top shows it using over 400MB though. | 00:09 |
| stgraber | my VMs have 2GB | 00:09 |
| sbeattie | My vmware image I had only given it 384MB... | 00:10 |
| sbeattie | stgraber: really? You must have gobs of ram. | 00:10 |
| stgraber | I have 4GB on my lappy :) | 00:12 |
| LaserJock | I give mine 400-500MB | 00:13 |
| stgraber | when I want really fast testing I just put the HDD image and the ISO on a ramdisk and assign 512MB to the machine (and I still have some 1GB remaining) | 00:14 |
| stgraber | copying things from RAM to RAM is uhm ... fast :) | 00:14 |
| LaserJock | pfft | 00:16 |
| slangasek | stgraber: daily/20080710.1 | 00:28 |
| slangasek | stgraber: if you find that it works better for you, I'm happy to switch it into place for alpha2; otherwise I won't bother since 20080709 has already been tested | 00:29 |
| stgraber | ok, downloading now | 00:30 |
| sbeattie | Something in usplash is using uninitialized memory, I booted without usplash, manually ran casper-md5sum, everything checked out okay, warm rebooted, tried to boot into the live desktop, and got utter random garbage on the screen. | 00:44 |
| sbeattie | Sigh, or I could be having memory problems. Argh! | 00:48 |
| stgraber | lucky you, memtest is on the same CD-ROM :) | 00:49 |
| sbeattie | Ummm'kay, now I'm utterly confused. memtest86 on the intrepid i386 image throws up a bazillion errors. memtest86+ from the 8.04.1 disk doesn't find anything. | 00:53 |
| sbeattie | My intrepid burn could be bad, I guess, though manually running casper-md5sum turned out okay, and the md5sum of the iso I burned matched the MD5SUMS file. | 00:53 |
| stgraber | cjwatson: still around ? | 00:57 |
| stgraber | is the secondary problem the "unsafe swap space" one ? :) | 00:58 |
| sbeattie | Even weirder; I now have LaserJock's mouse only in the lower right corner behavior, but in vmware instead of kvm/qemu. | 00:58 |
| stgraber | slangasek: the initial bug seems to be fixed but I now get an error because the installer thinks my swap isn't in the encrypted part of the HDD (but it's :)) | 00:59 |
| stgraber | slangasek: so still can't install :( | 00:59 |
| stgraber | hmm, without swap it also fails | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | sbeattie: yikes! | 01:01 |
| stgraber | /dev/mapper/ doesn't seem to be updated with the new lvm partitions so mkfs fails :( | 01:01 |
| stgraber | really weird, it's like if the installer disable the LVM before running mkfs :) | 01:04 |
| stgraber | I tried to force LVM using "lvchange -a y ubuntu" (ubuntu is my vg), the partitions appear in /dev/mapper then disappear just before the installer calls mkfs :) | 01:05 |
| slangasek | stgraber: ok, leaving it as a caveat for alpha2 then, thanks for testing :) | 01:07 |
| stgraber | what's weird is that "erase-disk + encrypted LVM" works fine :) | 01:09 |
| cjwatson | stgraber: the secondary problem was the appearance then disappearance of /dev/mapper/VG-LV, as you describe | 02:30 |
| cjwatson | stgraber: I have a suspicion the fault is still in parted, but it'll need another strace run and I lost the will to live somewhere in the middle | 02:31 |
| slangasek | sigh, is anyone seeing this problem (under VMware for me) that booting the liveCD gets you a blank screen (background-colored)? | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | slangasek: yeah | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | I think sbeattie and I were getting that | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | in VMware Player and VMware server | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | for me in qemu it didn't do that but the mouse doesn't seem to work right | 06:15 |
| slangasek | LaserJock: well, I've tested now on real hardware and get the same error | 06:43 |
| slangasek | LaserJock: is it specific to amd64, or does i386 have the same problem? | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | I've only done i386 | 06:45 |
| slangasek | hrm | 06:46 |
| slangasek | kinda inconvenient, then | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | a bit | 06:47 |
| slangasek | and there's no way to switch vts in VMware (AFAICS), and when I switch vts on my real hardware I get corrupted video, so awesome | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | we were getting some usplash screen artifacts earlier | 06:56 |
| slangasek | yeah, the corrupted video includes part of a usplash impression | 06:56 |
| slangasek | perhaps I should try booting the installer without usplash? | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | I think stgraber tried that | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | and still got the blank screen | 06:58 |
| slangasek | oh, well, I expect I'll still get the blank screen, it's some sort of GNOME problem | 06:58 |
| slangasek | but if I can get a working vt1, maybe I can debug it :) | 06:58 |
| slangasek | hmm, I bet it's easier to boot my vmware in rescue mode and install ssh | 06:59 |
| slangasek | ah, that doesn't help, because whatever happens when gdm starts locks up the session entirely, brilliant :P | 07:05 |
| slangasek | so, guess I'll be trying it on real hardware again, blah | 07:06 |
| * slangasek tries to reproduce the problem by booting the liveCD on a box that he doesn't have room to install on, and instead it loads up just fine :/ | 07:11 | |
| slangasek | so instead I have to start it on my laptop again, sigh | 07:12 |
| slangasek | sigh, so the cause of the login trouble is compiz | 07:52 |
| slangasek | killall compiz.real from vt1, and the desktop appears | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | interesting | 07:53 |
| slangasek | possibly bug #245823 | 07:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245823 in compiz "[intrepid] After apt-get upgrade, Desktop Effects Cause Blank Brown Screen On Boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245823 | 07:57 |
| davmor2 | Morning everyone | 08:53 |
| * slangasek mumbles something about caffeine and sleep | 08:56 | |
| davmor2 | slangasek: you can't do both ;) | 08:57 |
| davmor2 | just updating the images | 08:57 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: You knows these "USABLE" desktop iso which ones are they the one I just burnt to cd cause it still oversized doesn't seem to be doing anything on any platform (bare box/Windows/Linux) | 09:11 |
| persia | davmor2: Did you remember to use 800MB media? :) | 09:11 |
| davmor2 | I burnt it to dvd | 09:11 |
| persia | Heh. That works. | 09:12 |
| davmor2 | I'm going to burn another incase it is the burn at fault | 09:12 |
| davmor2 | wierd must of been the burn ? | 09:17 |
| slangasek | davmor2: there are certainly bugs, but I've tested the desktop amd64 image here and it certainly does more than nothing | 09:18 |
| slangasek | and the kubuntu ones probably have fewer bugs (still downloading in order to see) because they don't use compiz | 09:19 |
| davmor2 | wubi: doesn't work from the dvd it's detected as a bad disk because it is on the dvd. Grumble snarl | 09:19 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: yes must of just been an off burn I just can't remember the last time I had one :) | 09:20 |
| davmor2 | Bloody EDID | 09:46 |
| davmor2 | brb | 09:48 |
| davmor2 | Ubuntu on my 19 inch just gives me a pleasant white screen :( with my intel gfx :( | 10:00 |
| slangasek | at what point? | 10:03 |
| davmor2 | Desktop the heron is visible below if you hit alt-ctrl-backspace | 10:04 |
| davmor2 | so I'm guessing it's compiz playing up | 10:04 |
| davmor2 | brb kubuntu in and I need to swap out monitors again | 10:06 |
| davmor2 | change the res and I can use my old monitor again :) | 10:15 |
| davmor2 | Kubuntu doesn't install :-/ | 10:21 |
| * davmor2 getting P.O. at this point | 10:22 | |
| davmor2 | slangasek: Ubiquity fails to start on kubuntu | 10:31 |
| davmor2 | desktop at least works | 10:31 |
| slangasek | davmor2: fails to start, or fails to complete? | 10:36 |
| slangasek | (i.e., bug #247519) | 10:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 247519 in ubiquity "partitioner hangs in an infinite loop with 'manual partitioning' option" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247519 | 10:36 |
| davmor2 | fails to start up I'm writing a bug now. I've got an error from the cli so I'll add that | 10:37 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: ^ | 10:37 |
| slangasek | ok | 10:39 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/247537 | 10:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 247537 in ubiquity "ubiquity on intrepid kubuntu fails to start" [Undecided,New] | 10:46 |
| slangasek | davmor2: ah, explains why I didn't see it; my mouse isn't working in vmware so I had to run ubiquity from the commandline as well, and I reflexively ran it as 'sudo ubiquity' | 10:52 |
| davmor2 | should it be ran as sudo ubiquity or just as ubiquity though? | 10:53 |
| slangasek | clearly, running it as just 'ubiquity' is supposed to work | 10:53 |
| slangasek | but I guess you tried to click on the desktop shortcut, and that didn't work? | 10:54 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: and fails :) | 10:54 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: That's correct | 10:54 |
| slangasek | right | 10:54 |
| slangasek | so, it works if you boot straight into it ;) | 10:54 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: that's why I ran the cli to see why it wasn't | 10:54 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: you mean instead of running desktop run Ubiquity direct from the main boot option menu? | 10:56 |
| slangasek | yes | 10:56 |
| slangasek | if you do that, it works | 10:56 |
| davmor2 | I'll try it | 10:56 |
| slangasek | and then it fails later when you try to partition, so | 10:56 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: is that in vm or on hw | 10:56 |
| slangasek | vm | 10:57 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: I'll try it on hw then and see if it's a vm thing shall I | 10:58 |
| slangasek | if you're talking about the partitioning failures, they aren't | 10:59 |
| slangasek | cjwatson is looking into them already | 10:59 |
| davmor2 | okay np's so scrap the live tests then | 10:59 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: mind you the new KDE 4.1 does seem a lot more stable :) | 11:01 |
| cjwatson | sorry, slightly delayed because I'm also trying to figure out what's up with the CD check | 11:01 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: why does that not work either? | 11:03 |
| cjwatson | not for me, anyway | 11:04 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: just trying it in kvm | 11:05 |
| cjwatson | it just hangs at the usplash pulsate bar | 11:05 |
| davmor2 | It certain seems to I'll try on hw and see if it does there too | 11:05 |
| cjwatson | oh, I see | 11:07 |
| cjwatson | we are at last being bitten by the fucking stupid PATH setting in casper | 11:07 |
| cjwatson | I wondered when that was going to cause real problems | 11:07 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: It just booted into the desktop on kvm | 11:08 |
| davmor2 | and it works :) | 11:08 |
| cjwatson | cassper sticks /root/usr/bin etc. at the front of PATH; grep in the installed system now links to libpcre; libpcre ain't in the initramfs | 11:08 |
| slangasek | snort | 11:09 |
| slangasek | is that also why we get the libacl.so.1 and libsepol.so.1 errors that I caught on boot when debugging? | 11:09 |
| cjwatson | yes | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | bearing in mind the stage we're at in the release, this seems like an excellent time to rip that out and see what else breaks | 11:10 |
| slangasek | :) | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | 'cos it's Just Wrong | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | there is actually an attempt to deal with the library thing by means of /etc/ld.so.conf, but it doesn't work for some reason | 11:11 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: if you need a test doing on it and you get a 20080711 iso out give me a shout | 11:11 |
| cjwatson | I'm currently at the stage of hacking up test ISOs for myself | 11:13 |
| davmor2 | np's | 11:14 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| cjwatson | uploads done to at least try to fix most of the serious desktop CD problems - just waiting for builds and archive processing | 14:18 |
| afflux | jeos cd seems to be uninstallable because the metapackages for the "virtual" kernel flavour are not installable (not built since linux-meta >= 2.6.26) | 14:24 |
| cgregan | stgraber: ping | 14:36 |
| vadi2 | Hi. Where can I participate in image testing? | 14:45 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: any idea how long roughly? | 14:47 |
| cjwatson | davmor2: couple of hours | 14:48 |
| davmor2 | cool :) | 14:48 |
| cjwatson | vadi2: #ubuntu-testing, iso.qa.ubuntu.com | 14:48 |
| stgraber | cgregan: pong | 14:48 |
| cjwatson | afflux: right :-( | 14:48 |
| cjwatson | afflux: the ports kernel isn't getting a lot of TLC of late | 14:48 |
| cjwatson | (I think virtual is in ports now, at least) | 14:48 |
| soren | afflux: ...will be fixed early next week, probably. | 14:48 |
| soren | I'm not sure what "in ports" means? | 14:49 |
| afflux | okay | 14:49 |
| cgregan | stgraber: I wanted to find out the level of effort to duplicate the x86 cases in ISO Tracker to a new "mobile" branch. | 14:49 |
| afflux | I've put a testing report on the tracker for the record anyway. | 14:49 |
| soren | It's maintained outside the standard kernel tree, in a git tree of its own. | 14:49 |
| vadi2 | cjwatson: ok thanks | 14:49 |
| persia | Let's call it the "mobile" flavour to reduce confusion :) | 14:49 |
| davmor2 | persia: portable would be better :D | 14:50 |
| cjwatson | soren: linux-ports | 14:50 |
| cjwatson | soren: oh, is it YA tree? | 14:50 |
| persia | davmor2: Well, not really, as it's the ubuntu-mobile seed. "mobile" is fairly fixed. Also, a laptop is portable, but I wouldn't want to run ubuntu-mobile on a laptop. | 14:51 |
| cgregan | persia: good point. stgraber...correction mobile flavor. | 14:51 |
| soren | cjwatson: Right now, yes. | 14:51 |
| davmor2 | persia: I was just joking ;) | 14:51 |
| stgraber | cgregan: can that be done as one more "build" on the ISO tracker or would you like a separate tracker for it ? | 14:51 |
| cgregan | stgraber: build would be fine | 14:52 |
| stgraber | ok, so you will need one more product to be added "Ubuntu mobile" then add testcases to it. | 14:54 |
| cgregan | stgraber: basically I want all the cases and everything from x86 | 14:54 |
| stgraber | Can you send me a mail with the list of testcases you'd like to see there and the wiki link to them ? | 14:54 |
| cgregan | stgraber: a clone | 14:54 |
| stgraber | what do you mean by "everything from x86" ? | 14:55 |
| cgregan | stgraber: I'll put together an email...and do some more research | 15:01 |
| cgregan | stgraber: once you have it though.....what is the effort level. An hour, day? | 15:02 |
| davmor2 | avmor2 | 15:03 |
| davmor2 | h0neypie | 15:03 |
| persia | davmor2: Don't forget to adjust that :) | 15:08 |
| davmor2 | persia: What? | 15:09 |
| persia | davmor2: h0neypie | 15:10 |
| davmor2 | it's the pass for my test machine it'll only be on there for another hour and it's now switched off :) I forgot which keyboard I was at | 15:12 |
| persia | davmor2: It's usually that: but hard to tell if it's a meaningful password: I just tend to encourage people to change when they slip :) | 15:12 |
| davmor2 | I had to swap monitors to get the res right I've check the EDID it's 1024X768 but it isn't displaying but then I noticed they put through the vfreq and hfreq as 1024 768 too grrr | 15:15 |
| vadi2 | I couldn't get my jeos to boot at all. Is that known? | 15:18 |
| stgraber | cgregan: an hour but I can't do it myself, I'll do it on my test server then file a RT ticket so the sysadmins do it | 15:26 |
| cgregan | stgraber: Cool.....thanks. I'll start working on the email and listing the cases, etc. | 15:27 |
| stgraber | cgregan: ok, when I get it I'll do a simulation on the test server and send you some screenshots of the result | 15:27 |
| cgregan | stgraber: excellent | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | vadi2: yeah, the virtual kernel hasn't been updated yet; soren says he should have it done early next week | 15:33 |
| vadi2 | ok. | 15:34 |
| stgraber | is there anything to test at the moment or is everything waiting for rebuild ? | 15:35 |
| davmor2 | waiting :( | 15:37 |
| davmor2 | stgraber: really quick is the biggest understatement I think I've ever heard :) | 15:40 |
| stgraber | :) | 15:41 |
| stgraber | davmor2: I can do up to 4 install at once here so I can validate an complete image in ~ 1 hour | 15:43 |
| stgraber | so validating Ubuntu should be possible (alternate + desktop), I have big doubts about validating the derivatives as well | 15:44 |
| davmor2 | stgraber: That's if it will play nicely with VM it's been dying a death so far :) | 15:45 |
| stgraber | right, I didn't manage to have a desktop working in KVM so far | 15:45 |
| stgraber | alternate works fine though | 15:45 |
| davmor2 | damned ubiquity ;) | 15:45 |
| stgraber | not really, I didn't even get X to start so can't blame ubiquity (yet) :) | 15:46 |
| davmor2 | stgraber: that's been the fault for me mind you the other fault has been a bit more catastrophic in that my monitor EDID (I think refresh rate) is wrong so consequently I get no gfx at all. | 15:48 |
| stgraber | argh | 15:48 |
| * stgraber is afk for a moment, going back home | 15:48 | |
| davmor2 | I have to plug in my main monitor resize the desktop then swap monitors again | 15:49 |
| cjwatson | right, initramfs-tools casper ubiquity rebuilt, rebuilding CDs now | 15:54 |
| * stgraber is back home and ready for some testing | 16:27 | |
| cjwatson | it's a-building | 16:27 |
| stgraber | new desktop images are ready for testing | 16:52 |
| * stgraber takes amd64 entire disk and manual | 16:53 | |
| davmor2 | I'll have to wait :( got to go for tea and then shopping so I'll be gone for a bit :( But hopefully all the iso's will of downloaded by then :) | 16:56 |
| stgraber | is virgin going fast again ? :) | 16:57 |
| davmor2 | faster yes | 16:58 |
| davmor2 | 1:34 for the first of the iso's to update | 16:59 |
| davmor2 | minutes and not days | 16:59 |
| stgraber | :) | 17:00 |
| stgraber | sbeattie: I have the screen corruption with ubiquity when in cylon-mode :) | 17:04 |
| stgraber | and still no X so won't be able to test that image :( | 17:05 |
| cjwatson | err, ubiquity doesn't have a cylon-mode - do you mean usplash? | 17:08 |
| stgraber | oops, yes s/ubiquity/usplash/ | 17:08 |
| afflux | what's cylon mode btw? | 17:08 |
| cjwatson | usplash's pulsating progress bar | 17:08 |
| afflux | ah, I see | 17:09 |
| cjwatson | it's what it uses when it has no reasonable information on how far to step the progress bar | 17:09 |
| afflux | yup | 17:09 |
| afflux | desktop-amd64 in vmware: usplash looks good here | 17:09 |
| cjwatson | autologin isn't working for some reason | 17:10 |
| cjwatson | or rather, it's working but it sits at gdm waiting for input before doing autologin | 17:10 |
| cjwatson | still no mouse in qemu ... | 17:10 |
| afflux | argh vmware is breaking my shift key o.o | 17:14 |
| afflux | or rather, it removes all the modifiers set by xmodmap on my host system | 17:14 |
| sbeattie | Mmm, that's no good. Doing a cd check on the latest image dropped into an initramfs busybox shell. | 18:43 |
| cjwatson | which image? | 18:45 |
| cjwatson | desktop or alternate? | 18:45 |
| cjwatson | seems to be working for me ... | 18:46 |
| sbeattie | desktop | 18:47 |
| sbeattie | any particular log I should be looking for? dmesg didn't have anything exciting in it. | 18:48 |
| sbeattie | mmmm casper.log claims it could not find a medium containing a live file system | 18:49 |
| cjwatson | doesn't sound specific to the CD checker; it's a problem detecting your CD | 18:56 |
| stgraber | anyone knows why ubuntu server 20080710 has been removed from the tracker ? | 19:05 |
| slangasek | td123: hi, are you the tomd123 who posted test results on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/1772/4 ? | 19:11 |
| td123 | slangasek: ya | 19:14 |
| slangasek | td123: great! Could you please look at bug #245823, and see whether yours is the same problem? | 19:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245823 in compiz "[intrepid] After apt-get upgrade, Desktop Effects Cause Blank Brown Screen On Boot (dup-of: 245888)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245823 | 19:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245888 in mesa "Intrepid, on latest updates (mesa updates - 7.1~rc1-0ubuntu1), compiz no longer works and gives white screen on login" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245888 | 19:15 |
| td123 | slangasek: sure, let me boot up the livecd again | 19:18 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| td123 | slangasek: ya, your description in bug #245823 seems to be the same bug I am encountering, I went into tty1 found compiz (2 instances) killed them both and I could go back into the main screen and everything seemed to work (besides the borders but its better then nothing) | 19:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245823 in compiz "[intrepid] After apt-get upgrade, Desktop Effects Cause Blank Brown Screen On Boot (dup-of: 245888)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245823 | 19:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245888 in mesa "Intrepid, on latest updates (mesa updates - 7.1~rc1-0ubuntu1), compiz no longer works and gives white screen on login" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245888 | 19:27 |
| td123 | slangasek: I also have a 945 chipset if it has anything to do with it | 19:29 |
| slangasek | td123: ok, thanks. you might want to link that bug from your ISO test report | 19:31 |
| td123 | slangasek: ya ok | 19:31 |
| stgraber | ok, all images are now updated on the tracker | 19:43 |
| stgraber | please note that they aren't all the "current" ones, so please check the version number and md5sum before starting testing | 19:43 |
| stgraber | davmor2: ^ | 19:44 |
| * stgraber takes the two server images | 19:44 | |
| stgraber | Ubuntu server amd64 => Completed | 20:19 |
| * stgraber finishes server i386 and takes alternate amd64 | 20:21 | |
| slangasek | stgraber: bear in mind this is an early alpha, we don't require full test coverage - just "it boots and installs" | 20:21 |
| === asac__ is now known as asac | ||
| stgraber | sure, I only did minimal post-install testing (basically checking that stuff got installed) | 20:22 |
| stgraber | my main problem is the download speed, once I get the iso I can just start 4-5 VMs and do all testcases at once | 20:25 |
| slangasek | right :) | 20:26 |
| davmor2 | bugger | 20:47 |
| stgraber | ah ? | 20:47 |
| davmor2 | what this about the images stgraber | 20:48 |
| stgraber | you mean testing old images ? | 20:48 |
| stgraber | 10 has been released by mistake and 10.1 was some kind of test-build so the one we are testing is 09 | 20:49 |
| davmor2 | what about the new releases that cjwatson was doing? that fix ubiquity? | 20:50 |
| davmor2 | wont those be 11 | 20:50 |
| * cody-somerville checks up on Xubuntu. | 20:50 | |
| LaserJock | there are 11 Desktop CDs | 20:51 |
| LaserJock | alternate and server look like 9 | 20:51 |
| sbeattie | Lovely. memtest86+ v2.01 on our alpha 2 isos reports thousands of errors on my test machine. | 20:51 |
| sbeattie | memtest86+ v2.01 from memtest.org reports no errors. | 20:52 |
| LaserJock | in some ways it would be really handy to have the "version" string in the iso name | 20:52 |
| stgraber | davmor2: desktop is 11, alternate is 09 | 20:52 |
| LaserJock | I can't remember at the moment exactly if I have 09 or 10 | 20:52 |
| stgraber | davmor2: versions on the tracker are right but IIRC dl-iso uses current/ so that's why I mentioned it here | 20:52 |
| davmor2 | okay cool | 20:52 |
| sbeattie | LaserJock: yeah, that's something I really dislike about the dl-iso script. | 20:53 |
| davmor2 | Let's get ready to rumble...... | 20:53 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: +1 that's something I do by hand after downloading because otherwise I end up with tons of ISO and don't know what they are | 20:53 |
| stgraber | same problem with kubuntu and ubuntu both will be intrepid-desktop-i386.iso :( | 20:54 |
| LaserJock | ugg, yeah, that's not good | 20:54 |
| LaserJock | I hadn't gotten that far :-) | 20:54 |
| sbeattie | stgraber: dl-iso script should shove them in different locations. | 20:54 |
| sbeattie | different paths | 20:54 |
| davmor2 | stgraber: that's why the dl-script puts them in separate folders :) | 20:55 |
| Daniell | can I help with testing for alpha 2? | 20:55 |
| davmor2 | yeap pick a test :) | 20:55 |
| stgraber | sbeattie: I can probably hack a bit the tracker to generate a page with all the cdimage.u.c links for all images being tested | 20:55 |
| stgraber | (I planned not to add any feature and focus on qatracker-ng but that looks like a 10-liner) | 20:56 |
| sbeattie | ah cool, that would be good. | 20:56 |
| Daniell | which iso's can I test? | 20:56 |
| Daniell | on cdimage.uuntu.com => latest daily> | 20:57 |
| Daniell | ? | 20:57 |
| cody-somerville | Daniell, you can test Xubuntu ISOs :) | 20:57 |
| cody-somerville | Daniell, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all | 20:57 |
| cody-somerville | Daniell, click the image of the cd to get download info | 20:57 |
| sbeattie | Daniell: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all will show you what needs testing still. | 20:57 |
| sbeattie | and yes, xubuntu needs some attention, though I can't get the xubuntu desktop cd to boot locally. | 20:58 |
| sbeattie | cjwatson|slangasek: would memtest86+ v2.01 failing from our cds but working from cd images downloaded from memtest.org indicate toolchain problems? | 20:59 |
| Daniell | i'll first test the ubuntu desktop cd | 21:00 |
| slangasek | sbeattie: it /could/, but it's not definitive | 21:00 |
| Daniell | I'm now downloading, is the busybox problem fixed which I experienced a few days ago? | 21:01 |
| sbeattie | slangasek: I can't get any of the alpha 2's to boot successfully on that machine, usplash hangs or I have other random problems. I've had no problems with this machine under 8.04{,.01}. | 21:02 |
| slangasek | sbeattie: yeah, alpha2 is excitingly bleeding-edge :) | 21:03 |
| davmor2 | I'll start on Kubuntu desktop if that's okay :) | 21:03 |
| cody-somerville | sbeattie, I think the point of testing is to report such failures :P | 21:03 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: does that actually mean broken ;) | 21:04 |
| slangasek | Daniell, davmor2: I believe the desktop CDs won't work, I've just identified a partman problem to evand that I think blocks them from being installable | 21:04 |
| stgraber | slangasek: should we just mark all desktop images as broken and focus on alternates ? | 21:04 |
| slangasek | so I wouldn't bother doing any more desktop testing, since I won't be releasing them for alpha2 | 21:04 |
| slangasek | stgraber: yes | 21:04 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: damn blast and all that old chap | 21:04 |
| stgraber | slangasek: ok | 21:04 |
| cody-somerville | slangasek, k | 21:04 |
| Daniell | ak | 21:04 |
| cody-somerville | slangasek, Is it possible to mark this in the ISO QA tracker? | 21:05 |
| stgraber | done | 21:05 |
| slangasek | cody-somerville: xubuntu alternate testing would still be a good idea, we don't have any results in from those yet :) | 21:05 |
| * cody-somerville nods. | 21:05 | |
| slangasek | cody-somerville: yes, that's what stgraber just asked about :) | 21:05 |
| stgraber | so Xubuntu and Kubuntu needs testing | 21:05 |
| stgraber | I'm finishing ubuntu server and ubuntu alternate so please take derivatives :) | 21:06 |
| * stgraber also takes JEOS (kvm + lvm) | 21:11 | |
| slangasek | well, we still don't have the right kernel for JeOS | 21:11 |
| slangasek | so I've just disabled that on the tracker too | 21:12 |
| stgraber | ah, ok | 21:12 |
| stgraber | one less VM then :) | 21:12 |
| LaserJock | heh, testing gets easier as slangasek weeds them out one by one :-) | 21:12 |
| stgraber | yeah | 21:13 |
| stgraber | erk, alternate just failed with a scary grub error :( | 21:14 |
| stgraber | no /boot/grub/device.map (that's with encrypted LVM) | 21:14 |
| slangasek | if it's only encrypted LVM that fails, that's caveat material now | 21:16 |
| stgraber | I get a scary kernel-like segfault from grub :( | 21:16 |
| stgraber | I have the syslog saved so I'll just reinstall without the LVM so I can do edubuntu testing | 21:16 |
| stgraber | slangasek,cjwatson: http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/lvmcrypto/grubsegfault.log | 21:18 |
| davmor2 | testing Xubuntu now :) | 21:20 |
| stgraber | slangasek: I'm setting up another VM to try reproducing that segfault | 21:21 |
| stgraber | (just to make sure it's not one of kvm's bugs :)) | 21:21 |
| td1231 | do the current builds fix that nasty bug where you got a blank screen? | 21:44 |
| davmor2 | td1231: on live? | 21:47 |
| cody-somerville | Oh cool. I have a qa account. | 21:51 |
| td1231 | davmor2: yes | 21:52 |
| davmor2 | probably not | 21:52 |
| davmor2 | and live cd's don't work anyway | 21:52 |
| * cody-somerville downloads an ISO to test. :) | 21:53 | |
| stgraber | hmm, ok. Looks like he was only interested in the desktop CD :) | 21:53 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: probably looking for a CD to install from | 21:54 |
| davmor2 | cody-somerville: I got 64bit annd 32 bit whole hd on test if you want to try a different test :) | 21:54 |
| cody-somerville | I don't have a PowerPC | 21:55 |
| davmor2 | part timer | 21:55 |
| cody-somerville | or sparc | 21:55 |
| cody-somerville | or etc. | 21:55 |
| cody-somerville | Just i386s | 21:55 |
| davmor2 | cody-somerville: I did say test not cd :) | 21:55 |
| cody-somerville | Oh, sorry, I misread :) | 21:55 |
| stgraber | davmor2: if you have a 32bit system around (better if it's ubuntu), can you try edubuntu i386 on it when installed ? | 21:55 |
| stgraber | davmor2: I'm doing kvm testing and only amd64 seems to work with it :( | 21:56 |
| davmor2 | stgraber: I can do that both the tests I'm running are on my main box as kvm so my test machines are both free at the moment :) | 21:57 |
| * stgraber is happy we don't have to test ports :) With the powerpc I have here it'd take weeks to validate all images :) | 21:57 | |
| stgraber | davmor2: cool, it's just loading the CD and selecting all packages, they should install fine without internet (I usually just turn off the networkmanager) | 21:58 |
| davmor2 | I'm glad we only need to test the main cds could you imagine all the vairiants of all the cd'S | 21:58 |
| LaserJock | davmor2: how do you mean? | 21:58 |
| stgraber | yeah and we would need extra hardware too :) I don't have sparc, hppa, ia64, ... at home :) | 21:59 |
| davmor2 | LaserJock: Currently we test Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Server, Jeos and Edubuntu we don't really test Mythbuntu, Gobuntu, UbuntuStudio or UME plus all the ports versions it would be a nightmare come true | 22:02 |
| LaserJock | hmm, they probably should get some testing at some point though | 22:04 |
| davmor2 | LaserJock: Well volunteered :D | 22:04 |
| LaserJock | well, I was thinking more along the lines of figuring an automatic installation tester | 22:04 |
| persia | Well, Xubuntu is universe. Studio wants testing, but the kernel doesn't work for Alpha 2. Gobuntu is cancelled. cgregan was talking about Mobile testing earlier. I'm not sure about Mythbuntu: I know it's custom installer, so it's rather likely to benefit. | 22:05 |
| davmor2 | we got our hands full with the supported versions. Plus to be far if you want that type of port it's cause you have that type of machine :) | 22:05 |
| stgraber | someone could try : ubuntu alternate amd64 ? | 22:06 |
| LaserJock | davmor2: supported has nothing to do with installation tests I don't think, at least for Ubuntu (the project) | 22:06 |
| stgraber | I never managed to have it install, grub segfaults | 22:06 |
| davmor2 | persia: Too many and too little time :( Gobuntu is but now there is the free version to test instead | 22:06 |
| LaserJock | davmor2: now the ports, I agree with you | 22:06 |
| stgraber | as it's VM I'd appreciate having someone else trying it | 22:06 |
| persia | davmor2: Just needs more hands :) | 22:06 |
| LaserJock | davmor2: can't test if you don't have the hardware :-) | 22:07 |
| * cody-somerville is at 55% downloaded la ISO. | 22:07 | |
| afflux | stgraber: I'm on it, lvm+cryptroot currently | 22:09 |
| afflux | stgraber: I'm on vmware | 22:10 |
| stgraber | ok | 22:10 |
| stgraber | I got a scary grub error at the end of the install (no error until that) and looking at the console I saw a nice segfault :( | 22:10 |
| afflux | hum.. I'll be there in about 5 mins, it's configuring packages at the moment | 22:11 |
| slangasek | stgraber: from your lvmcrypto grubsegfault log, at least one problem there is that grub is crashing and grub-installer isn't trapping it | 22:21 |
| slangasek | Jul 11 20:12:32 grub-installer: sed: can't read /boot/grub/device.map: No such file or directory | 22:21 |
| slangasek | yes, because grub died with a segfault, so we shouldn't go trying to sed any files after that, grub-installer should have aborted... | 22:22 |
| slangasek | for the segfault itself, this needs to be turned over to the kernel folks | 22:22 |
| davmor2 | cody-somerville: looks okay :) | 22:25 |
| cody-somerville | :) | 22:25 |
| stgraber | right, anyway the error message (user's side) looks good : "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error." | 22:26 |
| davmor2 | stgraber: is the tracker on a go slow? | 22:26 |
| cody-somerville | davmor2, make sure /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitirc is being ran on login | 22:26 |
| stgraber | davmor2: looks like | 22:26 |
| davmor2 | cody-somerville: want to say that again in english? | 22:26 |
| davmor2 | 32bit ubuntu going in on hw for the edubuntu test now | 22:27 |
| cody-somerville | davmor2, can you paste me your .xsession-errors? | 22:27 |
| cody-somerville | *pastebin | 22:28 |
| davmor2 | cody-somerville: I didn't have any it just worked :) | 22:28 |
| cody-somerville | Daviey, ~/.xsession-errors will still have some output in it :) | 22:29 |
| davmor2 | np's two ticks I'll need to restart it | 22:29 |
| cody-somerville | davmor2, thanks :) | 22:31 |
| stgraber | afflux: what's the result of your alternate amd64 install ? | 22:40 |
| davmor2 | cody-somerville: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26756/ | 22:40 |
| cody-somerville | davmor2, okay, thanks :) | 22:41 |
| davmor2 | Me thinks this won't get finished in time some how :( | 22:49 |
| stgraber | slangasek: how's your alternate amd64 install going ? as we seem to have lost afflux :) | 22:50 |
| slangasek | stgraber: I'm currently waiting on scrollkeeper | 22:52 |
| * cody-somerville thinks the image download link needs to be more intuitive / scream out | 22:54 | |
| afflux | stgraber: sorry | 23:01 |
| afflux | "five minutes", haha... :( | 23:02 |
| afflux | stgraber, slangasek: grub seems to have installed without issues for me. | 23:02 |
| stgraber | ok, so that's a kvm issue | 23:03 |
| stgraber | davmor2: did you manage to do any edubuntu testing yet ? | 23:07 |
| stgraber | I don't have any installed system other than my own lappy, everything else failed due to kvm here :( | 23:07 |
| slangasek | is anyone working on kubuntu alternae? | 23:08 |
| davmor2 | ubuntu just finished and ofcourse I now need to swap monitors so I can change the setting brb | 23:08 |
| afflux | slangasek: could do "manual partitioning", "entire disk" and "cryptroot" on kubuntu amd64, if needed | 23:10 |
| afflux | is there a known bug about the gdm issue? | 23:10 |
| stgraber | afflux: go with entire disk, d-i seems to work fine so what we want to test is kubuntu itself | 23:11 |
| slangasek | afflux: which gdm issue is this? | 23:12 |
| afflux | slangasek: unable to log in after install and autologin on desktop images does not work (both freeze on brown screen) | 23:13 |
| slangasek | afflux: VMware? | 23:13 |
| afflux | yes | 23:13 |
| slangasek | afflux: well, there's bug #246969, but this doesn't describe the symptoms that I see personally | 23:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246969 in linux "[Intrepid alpha1] gdmgreeter freezes in VMware Server 1.0.6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246969 | 23:14 |
| slangasek | well, or maybe it does, I'm not sure | 23:14 |
| slangasek | the 'soft lockup' might fit, because what I see is that the vm goes brown and stops responding to pings | 23:15 |
| afflux | I'm not really sure, maybe it's bug 245823. I can't change to VT because alt+strg+f1 affects the host :( | 23:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245823 in compiz "[intrepid] After apt-get upgrade, Desktop Effects Cause Blank Brown Screen On Boot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245823 | 23:15 |
| slangasek | you could check whether it's 245823 by booting in text mode, uninstalling compiz, and starting gdm | 23:16 |
| davmor2 | stgraber: edubuntu fails due to kstars | 23:16 |
| slangasek | but I've done this already, and vmware still locked up for me, so I don't think it's 245823 :) | 23:16 |
| davmor2 | however individual packages install fine | 23:16 |
| slangasek | davmor2: ++verbose, please? is kstars missing, uninstallable...? | 23:16 |
| afflux | slangasek: ah okay | 23:16 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: two ticks I need to swap monitors again | 23:17 |
| slangasek | afflux: it is /something/ gnome-related, since kubuntu doesn't lock up for me in the same way | 23:17 |
| afflux | I see | 23:17 |
| stgraber | slangasek: add-on looks good here except some packages conflict (edubuntu-desktop, kstars and maybe some others) but files are on the cd and the installer starts correctly | 23:19 |
| stgraber | so can still be used as repo to install edu applications (just not all at once) | 23:19 |
| stgraber | those conflicts are actually in Ubuntu itself and not directly related to the add-on CD | 23:20 |
| stgraber | kstars: Depends: indi (= 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu2) but it is not installable | 23:20 |
| stgraber | and khelpcenter4: Conflicts: khelpcenter but 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2 is to be installed. | 23:20 |
| slangasek | so worth releasing, with a caveat | 23:21 |
| slangasek | does someone want to think up some wording to use for the caveat entry? | 23:21 |
| stgraber | "Some packages from the Ubuntu educational add-on CD may not install because of unresolved dependencies." ? | 23:22 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: stgraber: Install starts fine, cd is added to the repo list, fail depends: kstars but is not going to be installed. However Kstars is included version 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu2 is in. So I'm guessing it is something attached to it rather than kstars itself | 23:22 |
| slangasek | stgraber: what's the proposed workaround? | 23:23 |
| stgraber | davmor2: yep, look at what I pasted before, it's depending on something non-existing | 23:23 |
| stgraber | slangasek: none, that's broken in the repos :( | 23:23 |
| persia | fallout from KDE3 -> KDE4? | 23:23 |
| davmor2 | no monitor when you wrote it :) | 23:23 |
| slangasek | stgraber: well, what's the workaround for making use of edubuntu as a whole? | 23:23 |
| LaserJock | well, the point is though that *most* of the Add-on CD is usable | 23:24 |
| stgraber | exactly | 23:24 |
| LaserJock | but edubuntu-desktop is not as such | 23:24 |
| stgraber | you can install most softwares from that CD which is what people usually want | 23:24 |
| stgraber | you just can't install kstars and our meta package | 23:24 |
| davmor2 | this is true :) | 23:24 |
| slangasek | right - so what do we tell users about how they should use it? I've actually never used the edubuntu addon CD, so I don't know how the edubuntu-desktop problem will show up, or what users should do instead | 23:24 |
| stgraber | you get into gnome-app-install showing a set of packages | 23:25 |
| stgraber | they can tick all of them except edubuntu-desktop and kstars | 23:25 |
| stgraber | all the others install just fine, gnome-app-install will tell them what packages they can install and what they can't | 23:25 |
| LaserJock | "Packages must be installed individually rather than using the edubuntu-desktop metapackage"? | 23:25 |
| slangasek | ok | 23:26 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: I've installed 5 apps from the cd so that bit works. | 23:26 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: the cd effectively becomes an extra repo. So the same rules that apply to normal repo packages except there on a cd :) | 23:27 |
| stgraber | yep, I just tried installing italc from the add-on CD and worked fine too, the user just can't tick "Edubuntu desktop" and KStars in gnome-app-install. | 23:27 |
| slangasek | ok, since I have the wiki lock still, I'll try to synthesize the above into a caveat entry | 23:28 |
| davmor2 | right it's 11:30 I'm knackered and am going to bed now hope the tests get finished :) | 23:28 |
| slangasek | 'night, folks :) | 23:29 |
| slangasek | well, davmor2 | 23:29 |
| slangasek | though I guess others are probably going to drop off soon as well :) | 23:29 |
| stgraber | indeed :) | 23:29 |
| davmor2 | nn everyone :) | 23:29 |
| LaserJock | I've been dropping off since 7am this morning | 23:29 |
| slangasek | caveat added for the kstars issue | 23:30 |
| stgraber | argh, what's hapenning to kumquat ... we did a good lot of DB optimization and have a proxy in front of it so that kind of issue shouldn't happen. 3 minutes I'm trying to load that page now | 23:31 |
| stgraber | slangasek: caveat looks good | 23:32 |
| stgraber | would that make sense to mention that installing using KVM is completely broken ? :) | 23:33 |
| slangasek | yes, preferably with a bug number | 23:33 |
| LaserJock | is it KVM and qemu or just KVM? | 23:34 |
| afflux | slangasek: running 2.6.26-3 in virtualbox does not work at all: bug 246067 (that means all the isos fail to start) | 23:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246067 in linux "Kernel panic during boot after upgrading to kernel 2.6.26.3-generic" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246067 | 23:34 |
| stgraber | I only get that when using kvm, qemu is extremely slow but works | 23:34 |
| stgraber | looking at LP now for a bug report | 23:34 |
| stgraber | slangasek: bug 243677 ? | 23:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 243677 in kvm "intrepid kernel 2.6.26-2-generic won't boot as kvm guest" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243677 | 23:37 |
| stgraber | seems to contain comments about almost all virtualization related issues :) | 23:37 |
| slangasek | looks right, thanks | 23:37 |
| stgraber | I don't really know if that's a kvm bug or a mix of having a new X server (so I don't get a X server to start with the desktop image) and the new kernel ... | 23:38 |
| slangasek | stgraber: based on the bug state, someone thinks it's a kvm bug :) | 23:40 |
| slangasek | so, ah, did kubuntu alternate get tested? because I still don't see any test results on the website | 23:43 |
| stgraber | afflux: ? | 23:43 |
| afflux | I'm still pulling it | 23:43 |
| slangasek | ok | 23:44 |
| slangasek | afflux: which arch? | 23:44 |
| afflux | amd64 | 23:44 |
| slangasek | I have amd64 already here, which I can test... would be good if someone could test i386? | 23:44 |
| afflux | eek, I asked some minutes ago whether I should take amd64 :P I can download i386, will take about 25 minutes | 23:45 |
| afflux | slangasek: you are the wiki page man right? might be good to include a hint that the kernel does not work in virtualbox either (but for different reasons that kvm, as far as I can see) | 23:52 |
| slangasek | afflux: yes, I'll add that too, once my buffer clears :) | 23:52 |
| afflux | ah okay | 23:52 |
| afflux | thanks | 23:52 |
| slangasek | (done) | 23:55 |
| slangasek | anything else broken that we should document? :) | 23:56 |
| afflux | I've not yet tested kubuntu-alternate-i386 ;) | 23:58 |
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