[00:00] Here's an img of the screen artifact I saw: http://www.nxnw.org/~steve/tmp/screenshot-intrepid-artifact-small.jpg [00:00] Machine looks to have locked up. :-( [00:01] sbeattie: yep, mine was the same, slightly different position (mine was a tad to the right) [00:08] Mmm, how much ram are you giving your VMs? [00:09] I got my crash machine to boot, but it has 1GB of RAM. top shows it using over 400MB though. [00:09] my VMs have 2GB [00:10] My vmware image I had only given it 384MB... [00:10] stgraber: really? You must have gobs of ram. [00:12] I have 4GB on my lappy :) [00:13] I give mine 400-500MB [00:14] when I want really fast testing I just put the HDD image and the ISO on a ramdisk and assign 512MB to the machine (and I still have some 1GB remaining) [00:14] copying things from RAM to RAM is uhm ... fast :) [00:16] pfft [00:28] stgraber: daily/20080710.1 [00:29] stgraber: if you find that it works better for you, I'm happy to switch it into place for alpha2; otherwise I won't bother since 20080709 has already been tested [00:30] ok, downloading now [00:44] Something in usplash is using uninitialized memory, I booted without usplash, manually ran casper-md5sum, everything checked out okay, warm rebooted, tried to boot into the live desktop, and got utter random garbage on the screen. [00:48] Sigh, or I could be having memory problems. Argh! [00:49] lucky you, memtest is on the same CD-ROM :) [00:53] Ummm'kay, now I'm utterly confused. memtest86 on the intrepid i386 image throws up a bazillion errors. memtest86+ from the 8.04.1 disk doesn't find anything. [00:53] My intrepid burn could be bad, I guess, though manually running casper-md5sum turned out okay, and the md5sum of the iso I burned matched the MD5SUMS file. [00:57] cjwatson: still around ? [00:58] is the secondary problem the "unsafe swap space" one ? :) [00:58] Even weirder; I now have LaserJock's mouse only in the lower right corner behavior, but in vmware instead of kvm/qemu. [00:59] slangasek: the initial bug seems to be fixed but I now get an error because the installer thinks my swap isn't in the encrypted part of the HDD (but it's :)) [00:59] slangasek: so still can't install :( [01:01] hmm, without swap it also fails [01:01] sbeattie: yikes! [01:01] /dev/mapper/ doesn't seem to be updated with the new lvm partitions so mkfs fails :( [01:04] really weird, it's like if the installer disable the LVM before running mkfs :) [01:05] I tried to force LVM using "lvchange -a y ubuntu" (ubuntu is my vg), the partitions appear in /dev/mapper then disappear just before the installer calls mkfs :) [01:07] stgraber: ok, leaving it as a caveat for alpha2 then, thanks for testing :) [01:09] what's weird is that "erase-disk + encrypted LVM" works fine :) [02:30] stgraber: the secondary problem was the appearance then disappearance of /dev/mapper/VG-LV, as you describe [02:31] stgraber: I have a suspicion the fault is still in parted, but it'll need another strace run and I lost the will to live somewhere in the middle [05:27] sigh, is anyone seeing this problem (under VMware for me) that booting the liveCD gets you a blank screen (background-colored)? [06:14] slangasek: yeah [06:14] I think sbeattie and I were getting that [06:15] in VMware Player and VMware server [06:15] for me in qemu it didn't do that but the mouse doesn't seem to work right [06:43] LaserJock: well, I've tested now on real hardware and get the same error [06:43] LaserJock: is it specific to amd64, or does i386 have the same problem? [06:45] I've only done i386 [06:46] hrm [06:46] kinda inconvenient, then [06:47] a bit [06:55] and there's no way to switch vts in VMware (AFAICS), and when I switch vts on my real hardware I get corrupted video, so awesome [06:55] hmm [06:56] we were getting some usplash screen artifacts earlier [06:56] yeah, the corrupted video includes part of a usplash impression [06:56] perhaps I should try booting the installer without usplash? [06:58] I think stgraber tried that [06:58] and still got the blank screen [06:58] oh, well, I expect I'll still get the blank screen, it's some sort of GNOME problem [06:58] but if I can get a working vt1, maybe I can debug it :) [06:59] hmm, I bet it's easier to boot my vmware in rescue mode and install ssh [07:05] ah, that doesn't help, because whatever happens when gdm starts locks up the session entirely, brilliant :P [07:06] so, guess I'll be trying it on real hardware again, blah [07:11] * slangasek tries to reproduce the problem by booting the liveCD on a box that he doesn't have room to install on, and instead it loads up just fine :/ [07:12] so instead I have to start it on my laptop again, sigh [07:52] sigh, so the cause of the login trouble is compiz [07:52] killall compiz.real from vt1, and the desktop appears [07:53] interesting [07:57] possibly bug #245823 [07:57] Launchpad bug 245823 in compiz "[intrepid] After apt-get upgrade, Desktop Effects Cause Blank Brown Screen On Boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245823 [08:53] Morning everyone [08:56] * slangasek mumbles something about caffeine and sleep [08:57] slangasek: you can't do both ;) [08:57] just updating the images [09:11] slangasek: You knows these "USABLE" desktop iso which ones are they the one I just burnt to cd cause it still oversized doesn't seem to be doing anything on any platform (bare box/Windows/Linux) [09:11] davmor2: Did you remember to use 800MB media? :) [09:11] I burnt it to dvd [09:12] Heh. That works. [09:12] I'm going to burn another incase it is the burn at fault [09:17] wierd must of been the burn ? [09:18] davmor2: there are certainly bugs, but I've tested the desktop amd64 image here and it certainly does more than nothing [09:19] and the kubuntu ones probably have fewer bugs (still downloading in order to see) because they don't use compiz [09:19] wubi: doesn't work from the dvd it's detected as a bad disk because it is on the dvd. Grumble snarl [09:20] slangasek: yes must of just been an off burn I just can't remember the last time I had one :) [09:46] Bloody EDID [09:48] brb [10:00] Ubuntu on my 19 inch just gives me a pleasant white screen :( with my intel gfx :( [10:03] at what point? [10:04] Desktop the heron is visible below if you hit alt-ctrl-backspace [10:04] so I'm guessing it's compiz playing up [10:06] brb kubuntu in and I need to swap out monitors again [10:15] change the res and I can use my old monitor again :) [10:21] Kubuntu doesn't install :-/ [10:22] * davmor2 getting P.O. at this point [10:31] slangasek: Ubiquity fails to start on kubuntu [10:31] desktop at least works [10:36] davmor2: fails to start, or fails to complete? [10:36] (i.e., bug #247519) [10:36] Launchpad bug 247519 in ubiquity "partitioner hangs in an infinite loop with 'manual partitioning' option" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247519 [10:37] fails to start up I'm writing a bug now. I've got an error from the cli so I'll add that [10:37] slangasek: ^ [10:39] ok [10:46] slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/247537 [10:46] Launchpad bug 247537 in ubiquity "ubiquity on intrepid kubuntu fails to start" [Undecided,New] [10:52] davmor2: ah, explains why I didn't see it; my mouse isn't working in vmware so I had to run ubiquity from the commandline as well, and I reflexively ran it as 'sudo ubiquity' [10:53] should it be ran as sudo ubiquity or just as ubiquity though? [10:53] clearly, running it as just 'ubiquity' is supposed to work [10:54] but I guess you tried to click on the desktop shortcut, and that didn't work? [10:54] slangasek: and fails :) [10:54] slangasek: That's correct [10:54] right [10:54] so, it works if you boot straight into it ;) [10:54] slangasek: that's why I ran the cli to see why it wasn't [10:56] slangasek: you mean instead of running desktop run Ubiquity direct from the main boot option menu? [10:56] yes [10:56] if you do that, it works [10:56] I'll try it [10:56] and then it fails later when you try to partition, so [10:56] slangasek: is that in vm or on hw [10:57] vm [10:58] slangasek: I'll try it on hw then and see if it's a vm thing shall I [10:59] if you're talking about the partitioning failures, they aren't [10:59] cjwatson is looking into them already [10:59] okay np's so scrap the live tests then [11:01] slangasek: mind you the new KDE 4.1 does seem a lot more stable :) [11:01] sorry, slightly delayed because I'm also trying to figure out what's up with the CD check [11:03] cjwatson: why does that not work either? [11:04] not for me, anyway [11:05] cjwatson: just trying it in kvm [11:05] it just hangs at the usplash pulsate bar [11:05] It certain seems to I'll try on hw and see if it does there too [11:07] oh, I see [11:07] we are at last being bitten by the fucking stupid PATH setting in casper [11:07] I wondered when that was going to cause real problems [11:08] cjwatson: It just booted into the desktop on kvm [11:08] and it works :) [11:08] cassper sticks /root/usr/bin etc. at the front of PATH; grep in the installed system now links to libpcre; libpcre ain't in the initramfs [11:09] snort [11:09] is that also why we get the libacl.so.1 and libsepol.so.1 errors that I caught on boot when debugging? [11:10] yes [11:10] bearing in mind the stage we're at in the release, this seems like an excellent time to rip that out and see what else breaks [11:10] :) [11:10] 'cos it's Just Wrong [11:11] there is actually an attempt to deal with the library thing by means of /etc/ld.so.conf, but it doesn't work for some reason [11:11] cjwatson: if you need a test doing on it and you get a 20080711 iso out give me a shout [11:13] I'm currently at the stage of hacking up test ISOs for myself [11:14] np's === asac_ is now known as asac [14:18] uploads done to at least try to fix most of the serious desktop CD problems - just waiting for builds and archive processing [14:24] jeos cd seems to be uninstallable because the metapackages for the "virtual" kernel flavour are not installable (not built since linux-meta >= 2.6.26) [14:36] stgraber: ping [14:45] Hi. Where can I participate in image testing? [14:47] cjwatson: any idea how long roughly? [14:48] davmor2: couple of hours [14:48] cool :) [14:48] vadi2: #ubuntu-testing, iso.qa.ubuntu.com [14:48] cgregan: pong [14:48] afflux: right :-( [14:48] afflux: the ports kernel isn't getting a lot of TLC of late [14:48] (I think virtual is in ports now, at least) [14:48] afflux: ...will be fixed early next week, probably. [14:49] I'm not sure what "in ports" means? [14:49] okay [14:49] stgraber: I wanted to find out the level of effort to duplicate the x86 cases in ISO Tracker to a new "mobile" branch. [14:49] I've put a testing report on the tracker for the record anyway. [14:49] It's maintained outside the standard kernel tree, in a git tree of its own. [14:49] cjwatson: ok thanks [14:49] Let's call it the "mobile" flavour to reduce confusion :) [14:50] persia: portable would be better :D [14:50] soren: linux-ports [14:50] soren: oh, is it YA tree? [14:51] davmor2: Well, not really, as it's the ubuntu-mobile seed. "mobile" is fairly fixed. Also, a laptop is portable, but I wouldn't want to run ubuntu-mobile on a laptop. [14:51] persia: good point. stgraber...correction mobile flavor. [14:51] cjwatson: Right now, yes. [14:51] persia: I was just joking ;) [14:51] cgregan: can that be done as one more "build" on the ISO tracker or would you like a separate tracker for it ? [14:52] stgraber: build would be fine [14:54] ok, so you will need one more product to be added "Ubuntu mobile" then add testcases to it. [14:54] stgraber: basically I want all the cases and everything from x86 [14:54] Can you send me a mail with the list of testcases you'd like to see there and the wiki link to them ? [14:54] stgraber: a clone [14:55] what do you mean by "everything from x86" ? [15:01] stgraber: I'll put together an email...and do some more research [15:02] stgraber: once you have it though.....what is the effort level. An hour, day? [15:03] avmor2 [15:03] h0neypie [15:08] davmor2: Don't forget to adjust that :) [15:09] persia: What? [15:10] davmor2: h0neypie [15:12] it's the pass for my test machine it'll only be on there for another hour and it's now switched off :) I forgot which keyboard I was at [15:12] davmor2: It's usually that: but hard to tell if it's a meaningful password: I just tend to encourage people to change when they slip :) [15:15] I had to swap monitors to get the res right I've check the EDID it's 1024X768 but it isn't displaying but then I noticed they put through the vfreq and hfreq as 1024 768 too grrr [15:18] I couldn't get my jeos to boot at all. Is that known? [15:26] cgregan: an hour but I can't do it myself, I'll do it on my test server then file a RT ticket so the sysadmins do it [15:27] stgraber: Cool.....thanks. I'll start working on the email and listing the cases, etc. [15:27] cgregan: ok, when I get it I'll do a simulation on the test server and send you some screenshots of the result [15:28] stgraber: excellent [15:33] vadi2: yeah, the virtual kernel hasn't been updated yet; soren says he should have it done early next week [15:34] ok. [15:35] is there anything to test at the moment or is everything waiting for rebuild ? [15:37] waiting :( [15:40] stgraber: really quick is the biggest understatement I think I've ever heard :) [15:41] :) [15:43] davmor2: I can do up to 4 install at once here so I can validate an complete image in ~ 1 hour [15:44] so validating Ubuntu should be possible (alternate + desktop), I have big doubts about validating the derivatives as well [15:45] stgraber: That's if it will play nicely with VM it's been dying a death so far :) [15:45] right, I didn't manage to have a desktop working in KVM so far [15:45] alternate works fine though [15:45] damned ubiquity ;) [15:46] not really, I didn't even get X to start so can't blame ubiquity (yet) :) [15:48] stgraber: that's been the fault for me mind you the other fault has been a bit more catastrophic in that my monitor EDID (I think refresh rate) is wrong so consequently I get no gfx at all. [15:48] argh [15:48] * stgraber is afk for a moment, going back home [15:49] I have to plug in my main monitor resize the desktop then swap monitors again [15:54] right, initramfs-tools casper ubiquity rebuilt, rebuilding CDs now [16:27] * stgraber is back home and ready for some testing [16:27] it's a-building [16:52] new desktop images are ready for testing [16:53] * stgraber takes amd64 entire disk and manual [16:56] I'll have to wait :( got to go for tea and then shopping so I'll be gone for a bit :( But hopefully all the iso's will of downloaded by then :) [16:57] is virgin going fast again ? :) [16:58] faster yes [16:59] 1:34 for the first of the iso's to update [16:59] minutes and not days [17:00] :) [17:04] sbeattie: I have the screen corruption with ubiquity when in cylon-mode :) [17:05] and still no X so won't be able to test that image :( [17:08] err, ubiquity doesn't have a cylon-mode - do you mean usplash? [17:08] oops, yes s/ubiquity/usplash/ [17:08] what's cylon mode btw? [17:08] usplash's pulsating progress bar [17:09] ah, I see [17:09] it's what it uses when it has no reasonable information on how far to step the progress bar [17:09] yup [17:09] desktop-amd64 in vmware: usplash looks good here [17:10] autologin isn't working for some reason [17:10] or rather, it's working but it sits at gdm waiting for input before doing autologin [17:10] still no mouse in qemu ... [17:14] argh vmware is breaking my shift key o.o [17:14] or rather, it removes all the modifiers set by xmodmap on my host system [18:43] Mmm, that's no good. Doing a cd check on the latest image dropped into an initramfs busybox shell. [18:45] which image? [18:45] desktop or alternate? [18:46] seems to be working for me ... [18:47] desktop [18:48] any particular log I should be looking for? dmesg didn't have anything exciting in it. [18:49] mmmm casper.log claims it could not find a medium containing a live file system [18:56] doesn't sound specific to the CD checker; it's a problem detecting your CD [19:05] anyone knows why ubuntu server 20080710 has been removed from the tracker ? [19:11] td123: hi, are you the tomd123 who posted test results on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/1772/4 ? [19:14] slangasek: ya [19:15] td123: great! Could you please look at bug #245823, and see whether yours is the same problem? [19:15] Launchpad bug 245823 in compiz "[intrepid] After apt-get upgrade, Desktop Effects Cause Blank Brown Screen On Boot (dup-of: 245888)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245823 [19:15] Launchpad bug 245888 in mesa "Intrepid, on latest updates (mesa updates - 7.1~rc1-0ubuntu1), compiz no longer works and gives white screen on login" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245888 [19:18] slangasek: sure, let me boot up the livecd again === asac_ is now known as asac [19:27] slangasek: ya, your description in bug #245823 seems to be the same bug I am encountering, I went into tty1 found compiz (2 instances) killed them both and I could go back into the main screen and everything seemed to work (besides the borders but its better then nothing) [19:27] Launchpad bug 245823 in compiz "[intrepid] After apt-get upgrade, Desktop Effects Cause Blank Brown Screen On Boot (dup-of: 245888)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245823 [19:27] Launchpad bug 245888 in mesa "Intrepid, on latest updates (mesa updates - 7.1~rc1-0ubuntu1), compiz no longer works and gives white screen on login" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245888 [19:29] slangasek: I also have a 945 chipset if it has anything to do with it [19:31] td123: ok, thanks. you might want to link that bug from your ISO test report [19:31] slangasek: ya ok [19:43] ok, all images are now updated on the tracker [19:43] please note that they aren't all the "current" ones, so please check the version number and md5sum before starting testing [19:44] davmor2: ^ [19:44] * stgraber takes the two server images [20:19] Ubuntu server amd64 => Completed [20:21] * stgraber finishes server i386 and takes alternate amd64 [20:21] stgraber: bear in mind this is an early alpha, we don't require full test coverage - just "it boots and installs" === asac__ is now known as asac [20:22] sure, I only did minimal post-install testing (basically checking that stuff got installed) [20:25] my main problem is the download speed, once I get the iso I can just start 4-5 VMs and do all testcases at once [20:26] right :) [20:47] bugger [20:47] ah ? [20:48] what this about the images stgraber [20:48] you mean testing old images ? [20:49] 10 has been released by mistake and 10.1 was some kind of test-build so the one we are testing is 09 [20:50] what about the new releases that cjwatson was doing? that fix ubiquity? [20:50] wont those be 11 [20:50] * cody-somerville checks up on Xubuntu. [20:51] there are 11 Desktop CDs [20:51] alternate and server look like 9 [20:51] Lovely. memtest86+ v2.01 on our alpha 2 isos reports thousands of errors on my test machine. [20:52] memtest86+ v2.01 from memtest.org reports no errors. [20:52] in some ways it would be really handy to have the "version" string in the iso name [20:52] davmor2: desktop is 11, alternate is 09 [20:52] I can't remember at the moment exactly if I have 09 or 10 [20:52] davmor2: versions on the tracker are right but IIRC dl-iso uses current/ so that's why I mentioned it here [20:52] okay cool [20:53] LaserJock: yeah, that's something I really dislike about the dl-iso script. [20:53] Let's get ready to rumble...... [20:53] LaserJock: +1 that's something I do by hand after downloading because otherwise I end up with tons of ISO and don't know what they are [20:54] same problem with kubuntu and ubuntu both will be intrepid-desktop-i386.iso :( [20:54] ugg, yeah, that's not good [20:54] I hadn't gotten that far :-) [20:54] stgraber: dl-iso script should shove them in different locations. [20:54] different paths [20:55] stgraber: that's why the dl-script puts them in separate folders :) [20:55] can I help with testing for alpha 2? [20:55] yeap pick a test :) [20:55] sbeattie: I can probably hack a bit the tracker to generate a page with all the cdimage.u.c links for all images being tested [20:56] (I planned not to add any feature and focus on qatracker-ng but that looks like a 10-liner) [20:56] ah cool, that would be good. [20:56] which iso's can I test? [20:57] on cdimage.uuntu.com => latest daily> [20:57] ? [20:57] Daniell, you can test Xubuntu ISOs :) [20:57] Daniell, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all [20:57] Daniell, click the image of the cd to get download info [20:57] Daniell: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all will show you what needs testing still. [20:58] and yes, xubuntu needs some attention, though I can't get the xubuntu desktop cd to boot locally. [20:59] cjwatson|slangasek: would memtest86+ v2.01 failing from our cds but working from cd images downloaded from memtest.org indicate toolchain problems? [21:00] i'll first test the ubuntu desktop cd [21:00] sbeattie: it /could/, but it's not definitive [21:01] I'm now downloading, is the busybox problem fixed which I experienced a few days ago? [21:02] slangasek: I can't get any of the alpha 2's to boot successfully on that machine, usplash hangs or I have other random problems. I've had no problems with this machine under 8.04{,.01}. [21:03] sbeattie: yeah, alpha2 is excitingly bleeding-edge :) [21:03] I'll start on Kubuntu desktop if that's okay :) [21:03] sbeattie, I think the point of testing is to report such failures :P [21:04] slangasek: does that actually mean broken ;) [21:04] Daniell, davmor2: I believe the desktop CDs won't work, I've just identified a partman problem to evand that I think blocks them from being installable [21:04] slangasek: should we just mark all desktop images as broken and focus on alternates ? [21:04] so I wouldn't bother doing any more desktop testing, since I won't be releasing them for alpha2 [21:04] stgraber: yes [21:04] slangasek: damn blast and all that old chap [21:04] slangasek: ok [21:04] slangasek, k [21:04] ak [21:05] slangasek, Is it possible to mark this in the ISO QA tracker? [21:05] done [21:05] cody-somerville: xubuntu alternate testing would still be a good idea, we don't have any results in from those yet :) [21:05] * cody-somerville nods. [21:05] cody-somerville: yes, that's what stgraber just asked about :) [21:05] so Xubuntu and Kubuntu needs testing [21:06] I'm finishing ubuntu server and ubuntu alternate so please take derivatives :) [21:11] * stgraber also takes JEOS (kvm + lvm) [21:11] well, we still don't have the right kernel for JeOS [21:12] so I've just disabled that on the tracker too [21:12] ah, ok [21:12] one less VM then :) [21:12] heh, testing gets easier as slangasek weeds them out one by one :-) [21:13] yeah [21:14] erk, alternate just failed with a scary grub error :( [21:14] no /boot/grub/device.map (that's with encrypted LVM) [21:16] if it's only encrypted LVM that fails, that's caveat material now [21:16] I get a scary kernel-like segfault from grub :( [21:16] I have the syslog saved so I'll just reinstall without the LVM so I can do edubuntu testing [21:18] slangasek,cjwatson: http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/lvmcrypto/grubsegfault.log [21:20] testing Xubuntu now :) [21:21] slangasek: I'm setting up another VM to try reproducing that segfault [21:21] (just to make sure it's not one of kvm's bugs :)) [21:44] do the current builds fix that nasty bug where you got a blank screen? [21:47] td1231: on live? [21:51] Oh cool. I have a qa account. [21:52] davmor2: yes [21:52] probably not [21:52] and live cd's don't work anyway [21:53] * cody-somerville downloads an ISO to test. :) [21:53] hmm, ok. Looks like he was only interested in the desktop CD :) [21:54] stgraber: probably looking for a CD to install from [21:54] cody-somerville: I got 64bit annd 32 bit whole hd on test if you want to try a different test :) [21:55] I don't have a PowerPC [21:55] part timer [21:55] or sparc [21:55] or etc. [21:55] Just i386s [21:55] cody-somerville: I did say test not cd :) [21:55] Oh, sorry, I misread :) [21:55] davmor2: if you have a 32bit system around (better if it's ubuntu), can you try edubuntu i386 on it when installed ? [21:56] davmor2: I'm doing kvm testing and only amd64 seems to work with it :( [21:57] stgraber: I can do that both the tests I'm running are on my main box as kvm so my test machines are both free at the moment :) [21:57] * stgraber is happy we don't have to test ports :) With the powerpc I have here it'd take weeks to validate all images :) [21:58] davmor2: cool, it's just loading the CD and selecting all packages, they should install fine without internet (I usually just turn off the networkmanager) [21:58] I'm glad we only need to test the main cds could you imagine all the vairiants of all the cd'S [21:58] davmor2: how do you mean? [21:59] yeah and we would need extra hardware too :) I don't have sparc, hppa, ia64, ... at home :) [22:02] LaserJock: Currently we test Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Server, Jeos and Edubuntu we don't really test Mythbuntu, Gobuntu, UbuntuStudio or UME plus all the ports versions it would be a nightmare come true [22:04] hmm, they probably should get some testing at some point though [22:04] LaserJock: Well volunteered :D [22:04] well, I was thinking more along the lines of figuring an automatic installation tester [22:05] Well, Xubuntu is universe. Studio wants testing, but the kernel doesn't work for Alpha 2. Gobuntu is cancelled. cgregan was talking about Mobile testing earlier. I'm not sure about Mythbuntu: I know it's custom installer, so it's rather likely to benefit. [22:05] we got our hands full with the supported versions. Plus to be far if you want that type of port it's cause you have that type of machine :) [22:06] someone could try : ubuntu alternate amd64 ? [22:06] davmor2: supported has nothing to do with installation tests I don't think, at least for Ubuntu (the project) [22:06] I never managed to have it install, grub segfaults [22:06] persia: Too many and too little time :( Gobuntu is but now there is the free version to test instead [22:06] davmor2: now the ports, I agree with you [22:06] as it's VM I'd appreciate having someone else trying it [22:06] davmor2: Just needs more hands :) [22:07] davmor2: can't test if you don't have the hardware :-) [22:07] * cody-somerville is at 55% downloaded la ISO. [22:09] stgraber: I'm on it, lvm+cryptroot currently [22:10] stgraber: I'm on vmware [22:10] ok [22:10] I got a scary grub error at the end of the install (no error until that) and looking at the console I saw a nice segfault :( [22:11] hum.. I'll be there in about 5 mins, it's configuring packages at the moment [22:21] stgraber: from your lvmcrypto grubsegfault log, at least one problem there is that grub is crashing and grub-installer isn't trapping it [22:21] Jul 11 20:12:32 grub-installer: sed: can't read /boot/grub/device.map: No such file or directory [22:22] yes, because grub died with a segfault, so we shouldn't go trying to sed any files after that, grub-installer should have aborted... [22:22] for the segfault itself, this needs to be turned over to the kernel folks [22:25] cody-somerville: looks okay :) [22:25] :) [22:26] right, anyway the error message (user's side) looks good : "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error." [22:26] stgraber: is the tracker on a go slow? [22:26] davmor2, make sure /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitirc is being ran on login [22:26] davmor2: looks like [22:26] cody-somerville: want to say that again in english? [22:27] 32bit ubuntu going in on hw for the edubuntu test now [22:27] davmor2, can you paste me your .xsession-errors? [22:28] *pastebin [22:28] cody-somerville: I didn't have any it just worked :) [22:29] Daviey, ~/.xsession-errors will still have some output in it :) [22:29] np's two ticks I'll need to restart it [22:31] davmor2, thanks :) [22:40] afflux: what's the result of your alternate amd64 install ? [22:40] cody-somerville: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26756/ [22:41] davmor2, okay, thanks :) [22:49] Me thinks this won't get finished in time some how :( [22:50] slangasek: how's your alternate amd64 install going ? as we seem to have lost afflux :) [22:52] stgraber: I'm currently waiting on scrollkeeper [22:54] * cody-somerville thinks the image download link needs to be more intuitive / scream out [23:01] stgraber: sorry [23:02] "five minutes", haha... :( [23:02] stgraber, slangasek: grub seems to have installed without issues for me. [23:03] ok, so that's a kvm issue [23:07] davmor2: did you manage to do any edubuntu testing yet ? [23:07] I don't have any installed system other than my own lappy, everything else failed due to kvm here :( [23:08] is anyone working on kubuntu alternae? [23:08] ubuntu just finished and ofcourse I now need to swap monitors so I can change the setting brb [23:10] slangasek: could do "manual partitioning", "entire disk" and "cryptroot" on kubuntu amd64, if needed [23:10] is there a known bug about the gdm issue? [23:11] afflux: go with entire disk, d-i seems to work fine so what we want to test is kubuntu itself [23:12] afflux: which gdm issue is this? [23:13] slangasek: unable to log in after install and autologin on desktop images does not work (both freeze on brown screen) [23:13] afflux: VMware? [23:13] yes [23:14] afflux: well, there's bug #246969, but this doesn't describe the symptoms that I see personally [23:14] Launchpad bug 246969 in linux "[Intrepid alpha1] gdmgreeter freezes in VMware Server 1.0.6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246969 [23:14] well, or maybe it does, I'm not sure [23:15] the 'soft lockup' might fit, because what I see is that the vm goes brown and stops responding to pings [23:15] I'm not really sure, maybe it's bug 245823. I can't change to VT because alt+strg+f1 affects the host :( [23:15] Launchpad bug 245823 in compiz "[intrepid] After apt-get upgrade, Desktop Effects Cause Blank Brown Screen On Boot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245823 [23:16] you could check whether it's 245823 by booting in text mode, uninstalling compiz, and starting gdm [23:16] stgraber: edubuntu fails due to kstars [23:16] but I've done this already, and vmware still locked up for me, so I don't think it's 245823 :) [23:16] however individual packages install fine [23:16] davmor2: ++verbose, please? is kstars missing, uninstallable...? [23:16] slangasek: ah okay [23:17] slangasek: two ticks I need to swap monitors again [23:17] afflux: it is /something/ gnome-related, since kubuntu doesn't lock up for me in the same way [23:17] I see [23:19] slangasek: add-on looks good here except some packages conflict (edubuntu-desktop, kstars and maybe some others) but files are on the cd and the installer starts correctly [23:19] so can still be used as repo to install edu applications (just not all at once) [23:20] those conflicts are actually in Ubuntu itself and not directly related to the add-on CD [23:20] kstars: Depends: indi (= 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu2) but it is not installable [23:20] and khelpcenter4: Conflicts: khelpcenter but 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2 is to be installed. [23:21] so worth releasing, with a caveat [23:21] does someone want to think up some wording to use for the caveat entry? [23:22] "Some packages from the Ubuntu educational add-on CD may not install because of unresolved dependencies." ? [23:22] slangasek: stgraber: Install starts fine, cd is added to the repo list, fail depends: kstars but is not going to be installed. However Kstars is included version 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu2 is in. So I'm guessing it is something attached to it rather than kstars itself [23:23] stgraber: what's the proposed workaround? [23:23] davmor2: yep, look at what I pasted before, it's depending on something non-existing [23:23] slangasek: none, that's broken in the repos :( [23:23] fallout from KDE3 -> KDE4? [23:23] no monitor when you wrote it :) [23:23] stgraber: well, what's the workaround for making use of edubuntu as a whole? [23:24] well, the point is though that *most* of the Add-on CD is usable [23:24] exactly [23:24] but edubuntu-desktop is not as such [23:24] you can install most softwares from that CD which is what people usually want [23:24] you just can't install kstars and our meta package [23:24] this is true :) [23:24] right - so what do we tell users about how they should use it? I've actually never used the edubuntu addon CD, so I don't know how the edubuntu-desktop problem will show up, or what users should do instead [23:25] you get into gnome-app-install showing a set of packages [23:25] they can tick all of them except edubuntu-desktop and kstars [23:25] all the others install just fine, gnome-app-install will tell them what packages they can install and what they can't [23:25] "Packages must be installed individually rather than using the edubuntu-desktop metapackage"? [23:26] ok [23:26] slangasek: I've installed 5 apps from the cd so that bit works. [23:27] slangasek: the cd effectively becomes an extra repo. So the same rules that apply to normal repo packages except there on a cd :) [23:27] yep, I just tried installing italc from the add-on CD and worked fine too, the user just can't tick "Edubuntu desktop" and KStars in gnome-app-install. [23:28] ok, since I have the wiki lock still, I'll try to synthesize the above into a caveat entry [23:28] right it's 11:30 I'm knackered and am going to bed now hope the tests get finished :) [23:29] 'night, folks :) [23:29] well, davmor2 [23:29] though I guess others are probably going to drop off soon as well :) [23:29] indeed :) [23:29] nn everyone :) [23:29] I've been dropping off since 7am this morning [23:30] caveat added for the kstars issue [23:31] argh, what's hapenning to kumquat ... we did a good lot of DB optimization and have a proxy in front of it so that kind of issue shouldn't happen. 3 minutes I'm trying to load that page now [23:32] slangasek: caveat looks good [23:33] would that make sense to mention that installing using KVM is completely broken ? :) [23:33] yes, preferably with a bug number [23:34] is it KVM and qemu or just KVM? [23:34] slangasek: running 2.6.26-3 in virtualbox does not work at all: bug 246067 (that means all the isos fail to start) [23:34] Launchpad bug 246067 in linux "Kernel panic during boot after upgrading to kernel 2.6.26.3-generic" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246067 [23:34] I only get that when using kvm, qemu is extremely slow but works [23:34] looking at LP now for a bug report [23:37] slangasek: bug 243677 ? [23:37] Launchpad bug 243677 in kvm "intrepid kernel 2.6.26-2-generic won't boot as kvm guest" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243677 [23:37] seems to contain comments about almost all virtualization related issues :) [23:37] looks right, thanks [23:38] I don't really know if that's a kvm bug or a mix of having a new X server (so I don't get a X server to start with the desktop image) and the new kernel ... [23:40] stgraber: based on the bug state, someone thinks it's a kvm bug :) [23:43] so, ah, did kubuntu alternate get tested? because I still don't see any test results on the website [23:43] afflux: ? [23:43] I'm still pulling it [23:44] ok [23:44] afflux: which arch? [23:44] amd64 [23:44] I have amd64 already here, which I can test... would be good if someone could test i386? [23:45] eek, I asked some minutes ago whether I should take amd64 :P I can download i386, will take about 25 minutes [23:52] slangasek: you are the wiki page man right? might be good to include a hint that the kernel does not work in virtualbox either (but for different reasons that kvm, as far as I can see) [23:52] afflux: yes, I'll add that too, once my buffer clears :) [23:52] ah okay [23:52] thanks [23:55] (done) [23:56] anything else broken that we should document? :) [23:58] I've not yet tested kubuntu-alternate-i386 ;)