[00:32] <yuriy> oh crap I wasn't supposed to upgrade that
[00:32] <yuriy> oh well, it just breaks flash, right?
[00:45] <luis> hello?
[00:45] <luis> I need help to install the drivers for a genius webcam
[01:20] <ryanakca> Has any ``announcement'' been made about the new website?
[01:22]  * JontheEchidna hasn't heard any announcement about the new website
[01:50] <yuriy> ryanakca: ooh new website!
[01:51] <yuriy> ryanakca: "download kubuntu and copy it to a blank CD" could that be changed to say something other than copy it to because it sounds like it tells you to copy the .iso file to the CD the wrong way
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> Oh hey, nice website.
[01:53] <yuriy> also alpha announcements probably shouldn't be so huge
[01:53] <vorian> THAT IS AWESOME
[01:54] <yuriy> actaully, I think this website has most of the same problems the old one did, it just looks a lot nicer :-\
[01:55] <yuriy> oooh didn't know about discover.kde.org, looks sweet
[01:56] <yuriy> why does package management link to MOTU?
[02:00] <Jucato> yuriy: I think that space up there is actually for any current announcement/news. it just so happens that it's Alpha 1 this time :)
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_kubuntu_org_website_gets_a_makeover
[02:01] <yuriy> Jucato: yeah that's what I figured, but it shouldn't be used for that
[02:01] <yuriy> the only announcement that should be that big is a new stable release
[02:01] <yuriy> also, d'oh I can't test my patch because I built the packages on i386 and my desktop is amd64
[02:05] <yuriy> looking for testers for bug 243683
[02:20] <vorian> bug #246682
[04:00] <vorian> can has libsolidcontrol?
[05:04] <papabean> Could someone point me in the right direction to figure out how to integrate something into system-settings?
[05:12] <Jucato> papabean: the only thing I can find is an old KDE 3(?) one: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/kcm_howto.html
[05:12] <Jucato> you might have better luck than me searching in techbase
[05:12] <papabean> Thanks Jucato.  I'm looking at techbase right now.
[05:15] <papabean> I like how the techbase documentation links back to kubuntu.org.   :)
[05:16] <Jucato> O.o
[05:19] <papabean> And much of that documentation is either a spec or discussion about the design.
[05:26]  * papabean slaps his forehead in disgust.
[05:27] <papabean> I'll get the source package for systemsettings-kde4 and see what I can glean from that.
[05:29] <Jucato> papabean: you might want to look at the source for actually kcm's :)
[05:29] <Jucato> er.. "for actual"*
[05:31] <papabean> You're referring the .desktop files that kcmshell4 activates.  Correct?
[05:32] <yuriy> your program needs to be a kcm, and you need a .desktop file
[05:33] <papabean> Ahhh...ok.
[05:33] <papabean> That gives me a good nudge to start looking for documentation.
[05:35] <yuriy> look at the code for an existing kcm, and look at the kcm apidox
[07:10] <papabean> If I performed an apt-get source and an apt-get build-dep for a package I have installed, theoretically, it should build without issue.  Is that correct?
[07:11] <papabean> For a package that's either in one of the Ubuntu repo's or the ubuntu members kde4 ppa.
[10:34] <mugginz> yuriy: Are you there?
[10:38] <mugginz> Anyone able to help me with a question regarding sending in a patch for kdebase?
[10:46] <Nightrose> mugginz: just ask :)
[10:46] <Nightrose> it is weekend and people might not be around
[10:46] <Nightrose> so wait a bit for an answer
[10:49] <mugginz> Re: Bug number #241916 - I've been asked to post a debdiff but as the file I've updated is also patched by /kdebase-3.5.9/debian/patches/25_khelp_htdig.diff I asume I should build a new 25_khelp_htdig.diff and send the diff in with that?
[10:53] <Nightrose> do those two patches do different things?
[10:53] <Nightrose> if so you should probably keep them seperate so one can be removed if it is no longer needed
[10:54] <Nightrose> which would be hard if you merge them
[10:55] <mugginz> The patch I've made requires that the old patch be applied first.  So I dont know how to build a deb diff that takes this into acount
[10:55] <Nightrose> ah ok - the patch system should take care of that
[10:55] <mugginz> The file I'm patching is patched by 25_khelp_htdigg.diff
[10:55] <Nightrose> no idea how that works though
[10:55] <Nightrose> maybe someone else can help you
[10:56] <mugginz> I dont think the patch system deals with this
[10:58] <mugginz> The debdiff I built left 25_khelp_htdigg.diff as it was and then also specifies the changes I made to /kdebase-3.5.9/khelpcenter/khc_searchhandlers/khc_htdocbookdig.pl.in
[11:05] <apachelogger> mugginz: does this package use quilt as patchsystem?
[11:06] <apachelogger> because then it's no problem, even though patch dependencies aren't a nice thing in general :S
[11:07] <mugginz> I'n not sure which patch system is used.  I was directed to use the info here -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide/Complete#head-b1654e82d4e54cbb4e3807d7ac328cd744934403
[11:08] <mugginz> I'm not sure if the 25_khelp_htdig.diff would get applied before my patch or not but I guess  can do some testing to see if this is the case.
[11:09] <apachelogger> mugginz: please paste debin/rules
[11:10] <mugginz> Its a faily big file.  Is it ok to spam this thread?
[11:10] <apachelogger> mugginz: paste.ubuntu.com
[11:12] <mugginz> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26863/
[11:13] <apachelogger> :S
[11:13] <apachelogger> it's using simple-aptch
[11:13] <apachelogger> mugginz: you could either try to migrate to quilt, or recreate 25 as kubuntu_25
[11:13]  * apachelogger is lunching
[11:14] <mugginz> Cool, will try to do that.  I'm gunna make tea and then give it a go.  Thanks for the info.
[11:15] <Xand3r> hi ho
[11:17] <Xand3r> vorian: why you got an ftbfs from my digikam package?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> whats a cool kde app? i need to test instalation of a package
[11:42] <apachelogger> gnomefreak: plasma :P
[11:44] <gnomefreak> i have it i think doesnt it come with kubuntu-desktop in Intreepid
[11:45] <gnomefreak> and its not a package
[11:45] <gnomefreak> W: Unable to locate package plasma
[11:46] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: are you running intrepid or just a chroot?
[11:46] <apachelogger> I am running intrepid and I am runng a (hardy) chroot
[11:47] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: when you update or install a package do you hear login sound play?
[11:47] <apachelogger> nope
[11:47] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: im guessing kde and you dont have nvidia ?
[11:48] <apachelogger> actually I have nvidia
[11:48] <gnomefreak> what package?
[11:48] <apachelogger> but how does the graphics relate to that?
[11:48] <mugginz> apachelogger: found the solution - In the kdebase (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu2) update, the following was changed.  Update 25_khelp_htdig.diff with correct $kdekdehtmldir location
[11:48] <gnomefreak> nvidia-glx-xxx?
[11:48] <apachelogger> nope
[11:48] <apachelogger> <-- floss dude :P
[11:48] <mugginz> from this I guess its legal for me to use the same tequnique
[11:48] <gnomefreak> free 3d drivers?
[11:48] <apachelogger> nope
[11:48] <apachelogger> but who needs 3d?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> ayh
[11:49] <gnomefreak> i like to have it but you are right not really needed unless  you are using kde4 or compiz
[11:49] <gnomefreak> im guessing kde4 effects need 3d
[11:50] <gnomefreak> effects as it compiz type effects as i recall kde4 implemented its own
[11:50] <apachelogger> actually
[11:51] <apachelogger> you don't necessarily need hardware acceleration for that
[11:51] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:51] <gnomefreak> you do for compiz i just figured you did for kde4 effcts
[11:51] <apachelogger> one can use that... eh xrandr thingy
[11:51] <apachelogger> that is not as shiny as real 3d and stuff
[11:52] <apachelogger> but if that is the price of freedom... ;-)
[11:52] <gnomefreak> is xrandr the package name?
[11:53]  * gnomefreak would like to see this maybe its less cpu/mem intesive than cmopiz
[11:53] <gnomefreak> compiz*
[11:56] <apachelogger> *shrug* it's some basic X11 feature actually
[11:56] <apachelogger> oh, nice, kdebase-runtime finished
[11:56]  * apachelogger continues with kdeadmin
[12:09] <vorian> morning yo
[12:14] <apachelogger> hey vorian
[12:15] <vorian> heya apachelogger
[12:15] <vorian> whoa!
[12:15] <vorian> launchpad is all in one column!
[12:35] <Tonio_> hi there
[12:36] <apachelogger> bonjour Tonio_
[12:38] <Tonio_> :)
[12:38] <Tonio_> I just finished my migration to intrepid....
[12:38] <Tonio_> pretty much of a hard work
[12:40] <Tonio_> but now I'm ready to package and test kde4 apps, which is a good thing
[12:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: xrender?
[13:01] <Tonio__> apachelogger: I have lots of apps with icons missing on kde4/intrepid....
[13:01] <Tonio__> apachelogger: is that known issue ?
[13:02] <Tonio__> for example, no icon or kmix in the systray
[13:22] <Xand3r> how i can change kde3 settings while i am using kde4?
[14:36] <apachelogger> Tonio__: with a clean profle?
[14:36] <apachelogger> *profile
[14:36] <apachelogger> Xand3r: open kcontrol
[14:36] <Tonio__> apachelogger: with a new user, I can't even login
[14:36] <Tonio__> seems to hang at ksplash
[14:36] <apachelogger> :O
[14:36] <apachelogger> that should be fixed by now
[14:36] <Tonio__> apachelogger: no problem with my standard user, but when I create a new user, I have the issue, no way to login
[14:37] <Tonio__> apachelogger: I'll wait for the next update then
[14:37] <apachelogger> well, that should be fixed since wednesday or something
[14:37] <Tonio__> apachelogger: ah :/
[14:37] <apachelogger> Tonio__: does it just hang or show such a stupid xmessage window?
[14:38] <Tonio__> apachelogger: the login screen goes away and then nothing happens
[14:39] <apachelogger> that does sound like work :S
[14:39]  * apachelogger install kuser
[14:40] <apachelogger> hum
[14:40] <apachelogger> now that is abug
[14:40] <apachelogger> new user -> uid = 0
[14:40] <apachelogger> hooray :S
[14:43] <Tonio__> :/
[14:43] <Tonio__> apachelogger: my testing user has uid 1001, but cannot connect
[14:44] <Tonio__> and the profile is clean, since I never connected with this user at all
[14:46] <Tonio__> apachelogger: also I saw a battery monitoring app that doesn't appear anymore (not the applet, it was in the tray)
[14:46] <Tonio__> apachelogger: any idea of the binary app name ?
[14:46] <Tonio__> apachelogger: it looked like a port of guidance-power-manager in fact
[14:46] <apachelogger> so that is the name ;-)
[14:46] <apachelogger> it is a port actually
[14:46] <apachelogger> hm
[14:46] <apachelogger> ok
[14:46] <Tonio__> same binary ?
[14:46] <apachelogger> that issue looks pretty bad
[14:46] <Tonio__> I can't find it
[14:47] <Tonio__> apachelogger: hum right, it was removed ;)
[14:47] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/guidance-power-manager
[14:49] <apachelogger> hm
[14:49] <apachelogger> for some reason I had no wallpaper
[14:49] <apachelogger> anyway
[14:49] <apachelogger> Tonio__: login works for me
[14:49] <Tonio__> apachelogger: http://toniox.org/temp/capture88.png
[14:49] <Tonio__> here is the problem with some icons
[14:50] <apachelogger> so it should work at least after we published rc1
[14:50] <Tonio__> hard to figure out what happens
[14:50] <apachelogger> I think \sh had that issue as well, but for the complete menu
[14:50] <apachelogger> and it should be fixed by now
[14:51] <apachelogger> oh
[14:51] <apachelogger> Tonio__: change your iconset
[14:51] <Tonio__> apachelogger: done already ;)
[14:51] <apachelogger> hm
[14:51] <apachelogger> well
[14:51] <apachelogger> nuke your kdeglobals config
[14:52]  * apachelogger thinks we should add a postinst to kdelibs ditching that file if previous version was KDE 3 
[14:52] <Tonio__> apachelogger: that's what I'm affraid of, since I can't seem to login when no .kde :)
[14:52] <apachelogger> well, not .kde
[14:52] <apachelogger> .kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[14:52] <Tonio__> yeah I know.... but I wonder if I'll be able to login after that ;)
[14:52] <Tonio__> since I have that issue
[14:52] <apachelogger> yes
[14:53] <Tonio__> let's come back....
[14:55] <apachelogger> wb Tonio_ ;-)
[14:59] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: i found more depnds issue
[14:59] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: if you want it let me know
[14:59] <apachelogger> gnomefreak: just file bug reports and assign them to me
[14:59] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: ok
[15:01] <Tonio_> re.... still problems with madwifi.... I really consider going back to ndiswrapper....
[15:02] <apachelogger> Tonio_: do the icons work now?
[15:02] <Tonio_> apachelogger: they do, thanks :)
[15:03]  * apachelogger is now quite sure that we should remove the kdeglobals file upon upgrades :)
[15:03] <apachelogger> hm
[15:03] <apachelogger> Xand3r: pling
[15:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I think my padawan is broken :S
[15:04] <Nightrose> :P did you break it?
[15:05] <emma> hehe :)
[15:06] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[15:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I think I need a new one
[15:07] <apachelogger> oh
[15:07] <apachelogger> uh
[15:07] <apachelogger> edu is building
[15:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: getting you new padawans all the time is getting hard for me ;-)
[15:07] <apachelogger> games, pim, network still to go
[15:07] <Nightrose> not like they grow on trees around the corner
[15:08] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:08] <apachelogger> they don't
[15:08] <Nightrose> nope :(
[15:08] <apachelogger> that seriously hurt my feeling :(
[15:08] <Nightrose> :/
[15:08] <apachelogger> I thought everyone wants to be a minion of allmighty me
[15:08] <Nightrose> hihi
[15:09] <gnomefreak> ok thats one i filedd
[15:09] <apachelogger> but really, someone could do the l10n packages
[15:10] <Arby> apachelogger: I might be able to do them, how much are we talking about here?
[15:10] <apachelogger> all KDE languages :P
[15:10] <gnomefreak> little over 30
[15:10] <gnomefreak> lol
[15:10] <apachelogger> actually
[15:11] <apachelogger> ~50
[15:11] <Arby> OK so point out the list and lets see where we get to
[15:11] <gnomefreak> if they are in .xpi its fairly simple just move them into folder and respin
[15:11] <gnomefreak> atleast thats who we do it in mozilla
[15:11] <Arby> with the caveat that I've never done them before
[15:11]  * apachelogger wonders how to publish them
[15:12] <gnomefreak> well out of 15 kde4 packages only 1 was not installable
[15:12] <gnomefreak> not too bad
[15:12] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: you have the new ones?
[15:12] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: i would have figured to get them right from kde and replace old ones with new ones
[15:13] <nixternal> ooh, well look who it is :P
[15:13] <nixternal> ScottK: come on, lets corner him before he gets away!
[15:13] <gnomefreak> lol
[15:13] <gnomefreak> nixternal: remove libflashsupport
[15:14] <apachelogger> gnomefreak: uh?
[15:14] <nixternal> it has been removed
[15:14]  * apachelogger rsyncs
[15:14] <nixternal> actually, I don't even think I had it installed to begin with
[15:15] <Xand3r> apachelogger: pong
[15:15] <apachelogger> sometimes I am surprised by my own magic
[15:15] <apachelogger> Xand3r: wanna join the kde-l10n fun?
[15:15] <Arby> apachelogger: so where do I start then?
[15:16] <Xand3r> apachelogger: apachelogger what do you exactly mean?
[15:16] <apachelogger> Xand3r: update the l10n packages for rc1
[15:17] <Xand3r> apachelogger: all?
[15:17] <apachelogger> yah
[15:17] <apachelogger> ah
[15:17] <Xand3r> arent that many?
[16:01] <gnomefreak> sorry nixternal i had phone call. When i said did you remove it i meant the .so from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[16:02] <gnomefreak> its not likely removeing the package itself will remove the .so from the dir above. just like removing flashplugin-nonfree it doesnt remove that .so
[16:03] <gnomefreak> i will be gone the rest of today doing the weekend thing but i should be back tomorrow and monday, if you need me thats when ill be back
[16:05] <nixternal> gnomefreak: ya, it isn't there at all
[16:05] <nixternal> have a good weekend!
[16:05] <gnomefreak> nixternal: is it all flash sites or just one
[16:06] <nixternal> a majority of the sites I use on a daily basis
[16:06] <gnomefreak> nixternal: ok we can talk tomorrow or monday by than i should have some things you can try
[16:06] <gnomefreak> have a good weekend
[16:07] <vorian> nixternal: you chicago folks are gonna take over the world!
[16:09] <nixternal> you know it :)
[16:36] <jjesse_> morning all :)
[16:37] <Arby> morning
[17:09] <Artemis_Fowl> hey seele
[17:09] <Artemis_Fowl> are you back from holidays?
[18:08] <papabean> If I ran apt-get source <package> and apt-get build-dep <package>, theoretically, that package should build, correct?
[18:08] <papabean> Or only if I build with .dsc?
[18:11] <papabean> Am I not phrasing that question correctly?
[18:12] <papabean> Or is it just slow in here on the weekends?  :)
[18:12]  * JontheEchidna waves hi to everyone
[18:12] <papabean> hi JontheEchidna
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> what question did you have, btw?
[18:14] <papabean> If I ran apt-get source <package> and apt-get build-dep <package>, that package should, theoretically, build.  Correct?
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> apt-get build-dep should grab the dependencies for the package
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> debuild would build the package
[18:15] <papabean> debuild.  Difference between that and say, a cmake?
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> debuild builds an ubuntu package
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> with debuild you'd get a nice .deb whereas cmake would make the binaries.
[18:17] <papabean> Ok.  That should get me started.  Trying to build a debug version of an existing package.
[18:25] <seele> ah, missed artemix
[18:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wanna join the rc1 package fun?
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> Sure
[18:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: one thing about kde4....
[18:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'm trying to build some extragears components to test (konq-plugins)
[18:58] <Tonio_> I have issue with cmake since there is no cmake folder and it fails finding functions...
[18:58] <Tonio_> I don't know much about cmake yet and am a bit lost to be honnest
[18:58] <ScottK> Tonio_: Are you familiar with Augeas?
[18:58] <Tonio_> ScottK: not at all :)
[18:59] <ScottK> I think it may be the answer to some of your complaints about configuration management for large scale deployments.
[18:59]  * ScottK gets a reference.
[18:59] <Tonio_> ScottK: I heard about it, know what it does but that's all :)
[18:59] <Tonio_> ScottK: isn't that the read hat lib to deal with config files ?
[18:59] <etoile> nixternal: ping
[18:59] <Tonio_> a "standard" and unified way ?
[18:59] <ScottK> Tonio_: Yes.  We have it in Ubuntu now.
[19:00] <apachelogger> Tonio_: install kdelibs5-dev
[19:00] <Tonio_> ScottK: great :)
[19:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: done
[19:00] <apachelogger> it includes the necessary cmake modules
[19:00] <apachelogger> then create a build directory and run cmake
[19:00] <apachelogger> e.g.
[19:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'm not that stupid :)
[19:00] <apachelogger> mkdir build && cd build && cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr
[19:00] <ScottK> Tonio_: It is leading to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCentralizedServiceAdministrator
[19:00] <ScottK> Is the idea anyway.
[19:01] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I know, I just like to write a lot ;-)
[19:01] <Tonio_> apachelogger: lemme show you the problem
[19:01] <apachelogger> aye
[19:01] <Tonio_> apachelogger: forget about it, I was just doing cmake in a subfolder..... stupid of me :)
[19:01] <ScottK> Tonio_: It's in the archive, so now we need data for it: http://nvalcarcel.aureal.com.pe/?p=199
[19:01] <ScottK> Thought you might be interested.
[19:01] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'd like to have the searchbar in konq
[19:02] <Tonio_> apachelogger: in fact I'm stupid :)
[19:02] <Tonio_> ScottK: I am, but what's needed is coders writing frontend or backend that use it :)
[19:02] <Tonio_> ScottK: nothing that I can do unfortunatelly :)
[19:03] <apachelogger> Tonio_:  oh, righto, we should take of that before intrepid
[19:03] <apachelogger> the searchbar not the stupidness :P
[19:03] <ScottK> Tonio_: We'll get at least a basic front end with UCSA spec, so that'll be something.
[19:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the code is there, I'm trying to make it to work
[19:04] <apachelogger> *thumbs up*
[19:04]  * apachelogger watches kdepim compile
[19:04] <Tonio_> ScottK: very interesting and promissing for the future I must say :)
[19:05] <ScottK> Tonio_: nxvl is the guy pushing for it and he's looking for help if you think of something you might contribute ...
[19:12] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'd like to but what for ?
[19:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: I know that the server team is loking closelly to it
[19:13] <Tonio_> I discussed with nick barcet (canonical) last week about that
[19:15] <ScottK> The server team is thinking about centralized server administration.
[19:15] <ScottK> That could also leverage into centralized desktop deployment administration.
[19:15] <Tonio_> which would be nice :)
[19:17] <ScottK> That's why I thought you'd be interested.
[19:17] <ScottK> It's actually something we could be ahead of Ubuntu desktop on, because they aren't thinking in those terms.
[19:43] <Tonio_> apachelogger: plugins do work :)
[19:43] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I have to package it cleanly now
[19:43] <Tonio_> apachelogger: would you revu that one ?
[19:43] <apachelogger> sure
[19:44] <Tonio_> apachelogger: also, there is no more kdeaddons tree now so how to deal with this ?
[19:44] <Tonio_> I thought about a separate konq-plugins package
[19:44] <Tonio_> but that means same binary with a new source package
[19:44] <Tonio_> I suspect we'll have to write a MIR
[19:45] <apachelogger> well, maybe Riddell can sneak it in ;-)
[19:45] <apachelogger> and considering only the source package changed, I doub the MIR is going to be a problem
[19:46] <Tonio_> yeah
[19:46] <Tonio_> http://toniox.org/temp/konq-plugins.png
[19:46] <Tonio_> there it is :)
[19:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: or we can name the source package kdeaddons too.... I don't know
[19:47] <Tonio_> the current tree i simply "extragears/base"
[19:47] <Tonio_> I don't know what to think about that...
[19:49] <apachelogger> Tonio_: one source konqueror-plugins
[19:49] <apachelogger> kdeaddons is history, we should treat it like that ... forget about it as soon as possible ;-)
[19:49] <Tonio_> so then konqueror-plugins
[19:50] <Tonio_> with a metapackage konq-plugins that depends on konqueror-plugins
[19:50] <Tonio_> is that right for you ?
[19:50] <Tonio_> but then new mir :)
[19:50] <apachelogger> I think the metapackage should be called konqueror-plugins as well
[19:50] <apachelogger> more structured
[19:51] <apachelogger> individual plugins are konqueror-plugin-foobar
[19:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yeah but for transition it would be nice to eventually push a konq-plugins empty package
[19:52] <Tonio_> that would depend on konqueror-plugins
[19:52] <apachelogger> yes
[19:52] <apachelogger> sounds good to me
[19:52] <Tonio_> okay let's go that way then and separate the plugins :)
[19:52] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll ping you once the package is done
[19:52] <apachelogger> k
[19:52] <Tonio_> apachelogger: and this time I'm back :)
[19:52] <apachelogger> hehe
[19:52] <Tonio_> apachelogger: cause I didn't do much till now :)
[19:52]  * apachelogger hands Tonio_ a cookie
[19:52]  * Tonio_ hands apachelogger a beer
[19:53] <apachelogger> uh
[19:53] <apachelogger> cheers :D
[20:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it looks like debian already has something http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/konq-plugins/trunk/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
[20:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/konq-plugins
[20:10] <Tonio_> there it is
[20:11] <Tonio_> so no need to repackage everything I guess
[20:11] <Tonio_> also I'd like to split up the package a bit
[20:11] <apachelogger> hm, cool
[20:11] <apachelogger> Tonio_: less work for you :)
[20:12] <Tonio_> yup :)
[20:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I should ask debian before splitting the package, since I don't want to fully maintain it in the future
[20:16] <apachelogger> Tonio_: good point, give it a try
[22:44] <apachelogger> kdepim officially hates me
[22:46] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: In ~45 minutes or when it gets to your mirror you ought to be able to upgrade out of the flash backport disaster.
[23:12] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I didn't reallize there was that many plugins :)
[23:12] <Tonio_> apachelogger: splitting everything will end up a complicated package to maintain....
[23:13] <apachelogger> hm
[23:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: btw I'm doing it, since some plugins should never be installed for the average user (dom inspector for example)
[23:13] <apachelogger> Tonio_: maybe split those out which should come by default
[23:13] <apachelogger> and leave all others in konqueror-plugins itself
[23:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's a matter of personal choice, debian will not agree with us :)
[23:13] <apachelogger> making it a wanna-be-metapackage ;-)
[23:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: splitting everything has more chances to be accepted
[23:14] <apachelogger> well
[23:14] <apachelogger> doesn't make sense for me
[23:14] <Tonio_> what doesn't make sense ?
[23:14] <apachelogger> splitting everything at that amount of plugins
[23:14] <apachelogger> we don't split kdebase-bin either
[23:15]  * apachelogger needs to take a look at the plugins
[23:15] <apachelogger> hm
[23:16] <apachelogger> autorefresh, crashes, dirfilter, domtree, fsview, microformat, minitools, rellinks, sidebar, smbmount, uachanger, vlaidators, webarchiver
[23:16] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well splitting makes sense, really
[23:17] <Tonio_> not all of them are built btw
[23:17] <apachelogger> well, I am really not sure whether splitting all is worth the maintenance
[23:17] <apachelogger> but, up to you, Tonio_ :P
[23:18] <Tonio_> apachelogger: bah....dh_install --list-missing is your friend :)
[23:19] <apachelogger> hm
[23:19] <apachelogger> you know
[23:19] <apachelogger> I am working on kdepim for 5 hours now
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> Is it not building?
[23:19] <Tonio_> ouch.... kdepim is a complicated package, true that :)
[23:19] <apachelogger> don't even think I reached the state where list-missing is possible :P
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> ouch
[23:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: s/not/totally slow
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> aah
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> It probably would take literally forever on my computer
[23:20]  * apachelogger should have done kdebindings before pim
[23:20] <apachelogger> I am used to the crap going on in bindings ;-)
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> heh
[23:22]  * apachelogger also fixed 300 lintian warnings about Tonio_'s broken email address :P
[23:23] <Tonio_> apachelogger: tonio@kubuntu ? ;)
[23:23] <apachelogger> aye
[23:23] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yeah, I usually use /etc/mailname for completion, and when I reinstalled my computer I completly forgot about that
[23:23] <Tonio_> apachelogger: and since I only use dch (aka I never open a changelog file) I never noticed :)
[23:24] <Tonio_> apachelogger: lots of packages have that issue :)
[23:24] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sorry for this :)
[23:24] <apachelogger> very true :D
[23:24]  * apachelogger hopes that we can nuke these warnings until intrepid+4
[23:24] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that also mean I tend not to use lintian, which is VERY bad ;)
[23:24] <apachelogger> well
[23:24] <apachelogger> debuild is super sweet nowadays
[23:25] <apachelogger> running lintian on the source and binaries
[23:29] <apachelogger> ah
[23:29] <apachelogger> plasma starts again
[23:29]  * apachelogger can finally do something short-term-todo-listed
[23:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: add "help with kde 4 rc1 packaging" or similar to your package activity list
[23:31] <apachelogger> and why did apachelogger not revu plasma-wifi -.-
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> oh man, forgot about plasmoid-am4rok...
[23:32] <apachelogger> oh
[23:33] <apachelogger> that reminds me
[23:33] <apachelogger> what naming scheme to use
[23:33] <apachelogger> plasmoid-foobar
[23:33] <apachelogger> or plasma-foobar
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> I named those two plasma-foobar because that's what they were called at kde-look
[23:33] <apachelogger> yes
[23:33] <apachelogger> but how should we name it
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[23:33] <apachelogger> upstreams always do what they want anyway :P
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> :P
[23:33] <apachelogger> and that reminds me
[23:34] <apachelogger> Tonio_: kdesudo-kde4 nees to be merged with kdesudo
[23:34] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I know that :)
[23:34] <Tonio_> apachelogger: still have to write the code btw
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> Once downloading new plasmoids via the Add Widget dialog becomes good enough I don't think that there needs to be as much as an emphasis on packaging plasmoids
[23:34] <apachelogger> and that reminds me, that I should change kdebase to use sudo for that kdesu thingy
[23:34] <apachelogger> hm
[23:35]  * apachelogger is getting creative here
[23:35] <Tonio_> apachelogger: once done it'll replace kdesudo and I'll had a dummy package for transition
[23:35] <Tonio_> hopefully tomorrow
[23:35] <apachelogger> hooray
[23:35] <Tonio_> apachelogger: building kdesu with sudo support ?
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> brb, need to reset router
[23:35] <apachelogger> aye
[23:35] <Tonio_> apachelogger: why for ? it doesn't work and we are diverting kdesu btw
[23:35] <apachelogger> well, it works better than kdesu with su
[23:36] <apachelogger> some mentioned that without kubuntu-desktop kdesudo doesn't get pulled in
[23:36] <apachelogger> which means installing a clean kde on a server or ubuntu-desktop will come with broken kdesu
[23:36] <apachelogger> and from my point of view - bad sudo support > no sudo support
[23:40] <Tonio_> apachelogger: my package is technically done, all I have to do now is writting the packages description :)
[23:40] <Tonio_> most boring thing ever ;)
[23:40]  * jtechidna curses metrocast cablevision
[23:41] <Tonio_> apachelogger: is there any package depending on kdesu ?
[23:41] <Tonio_> I don't think so
[23:41] <apachelogger> isn't kdesu itself part of kdebase?
[23:41] <apachelogger> me@apoc:~/src/deb/kdepim/kdepim-4.0.98/debian/tmp/usr$ apt-cache search kdesu
[23:41] <apachelogger> kdesudo-kde4 - sudo frontend for KDE4
[23:41] <apachelogger> kdesudo - sudo frontend for KDE
[23:43] <Tonio_> kdebase-runtime: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu
[23:43] <Tonio_> there it is
[23:44] <apachelogger> so you can't get a KDE desktop without kdesu
[23:44] <apachelogger> of course, instead of compiling kdesu with sudo support - we could as well add kdesudo as dependency for kdebase-runtime
[23:45] <apachelogger> that said, I am actually wondering why it isn't already
[23:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: cause that's something diverging from debian ? :)
[23:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: so something that will be forgotten some day durig a merge....
[23:46] <apachelogger> well
[23:47] <apachelogger> why does debian not use kdesudo?