[00:01] <pheeror> no thanks
[00:01] <molgrum> :)
[00:02] <pheeror> (:
[00:17] <teamcobra> does intrepid make a nice xen dom0?
[00:23] <teamcobra> or does it support running as a dom0 at all?
[00:32] <ASULutzy> Sure it's been asked 100 times today, but not in the MotD so... When is alpha 2? :)
[00:33] <afflux> ASULutzy: the images are still being tested
[00:34] <ASULutzy> afflux: Thanks
[00:34] <afflux> ASULutzy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-July/000449.html -- I think it still has about 12 hours ;)
[00:34] <ASULutzy> afflux: Hmmm ok, and when it is ready, will it be available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/ ?
[00:34] <afflux> I think so
[00:42] <luis> ...hello :)
[00:42] <luis> I need help to install drivers for a genius webcam
[02:32] <atma__> Any one know why i am getting a white screen after i login through gdm ?
[02:33] <atma__> ..... very talkative i see
[02:33] <RAOF> atma__: Because your 3d drivers aren't working, and you're running compiz.
[02:35] <atma__> RAOF: i am running on a compaq presario c500 i don't think there is any 3d drivers, also i tried removing compiz but same problem
[02:36] <RAOF> Can you expand on "white screen"?  Do you have a mouse?  Can you log in in "failsafe" mode?
[02:37] <atma__> RAOF: failsafe works, yes i have a mouse
[02:37] <RAOF> Right.  So, your 3d drivers are broken, and compiz is loading.
[02:37] <atma__> RAOF: ok i will try that out but one more issue
[02:39] <atma__> RAOF: that was on my presario machine but on my asus f9sg i am getting real ugly responce. Just as we were speaking i was updating on the asus box and then i just heard "bewwwwwwww" and red and black screen any ideas on that one ? its like the linux red screen of death
[02:40] <RAOF> No idea.  Also, linux doesn't have any equivalent to the blue-screen; X is divorced from the kernel, so it's not actually possible :)
[02:41] <atma__> RAOF: thats soooo weird i just got that f'ed up screen then i reboot and now boots up ? hella strange... * I love the development versions makes me feel like i am on windoze :)
[02:41] <atma__> lol
[02:42] <WelshDragon> Quick Q...How do i go about skipping the password check for gksudo? I've already set it up for sudo but it doesn't work for gksudo.
[02:43] <atma__> WelshDragon: i am under the impression that if you skip it with sudo you can run anything from there as root sudo -i
[02:43] <daekdroom> RAOF There's black screen of death. X hang up :p
[02:44] <WelshDragon> What i mean is...If i type sudo <cmd> It'll never ask me for a password...But if an application is launched with gksudo instead of sudo it's still asking me...Can't figure out how to stop it asking.
[02:45] <atma__> daekdroom: the point that RAOF was making that the BSOD kills your computer but in linux X and system are not one
[02:45] <RAOF> Actually, I what I meant was "we can't implement something as useful as the BSOD".
[02:45] <atma__> Lmfao
[02:46] <atma__> RAOF: leave it up to me i will create the first BSOD for linux :)
[02:46] <atma__> ok RAOF, thanks for your help much appreciated i am going to go play on new 8.10 YAY!!
[02:47] <daekdroom> atma__, the only way to get out of X hang up is ssh/remote access or reset. Not everyone uses ssh
[02:48] <atma__> daekdroom: well if you programed a daemon that catched the keys pressed and when they get the combination of alt+ctrl+del then it takes you to tty1 console then no :P
[02:48] <atma__> forgive me but i am being stupid, please excuse me and thanks again RAOF ;)
[02:49] <daekdroom> atma__, Really. X hang up doesn't let you switch to tty1.
[02:49] <RAOF> And kernel panic won't let you SSH, either.
[02:49] <daekdroom> Kernel panic is something we can call black-and-white line of death
[02:50] <atma__> lol
[02:56] <taku> hey there :)
[02:57] <taku> could anyone tell me if, using intrepid alpha1, he(she) manages to get an ipw2200 wifi card working ?
[02:58] <daekdroom> *it
[02:58] <taku> ?
[03:13] <krsnadasa> RAOF: hey (atma) ok i am on the asus machine now but how do i get compiz working ? i have a nvida 9300m on this machine
[03:14] <RAOF> You need to install the nvidia drivers.
[03:14] <RAOF> nvidia-glx-177 should work, I believe.
[03:15] <krsnadasa> RAOF: through envy?
[03:16] <RAOF> No.
[03:16] <RAOF> Why through envy?
[03:16] <RAOF> By installing the nvidia-glx-177 package.
[03:17] <krsnadasa> RAOF: from respiratory ?
[03:17] <RAOF> Yes.  Where else?
[03:18] <krsnadasa> i must admit you are ruff but sure the hell to the point ;) i like it
[03:19] <krsnadasa> and once again thank you
[03:27] <krsnadasa> RAOF: ummm i got the glx nvidia drivers but how do i install them ? i ran nvidia-xconf and then restarted X and the resoultion got messed up and when i click nvidia settings it says i havent installed it right ?
[03:28] <RAOF> You may wish to restart, but simply installing the 'nvidia-glx-177' package and running 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' worked for me.
[03:28] <RAOF> You may also need to install the linux-headers package, now that I think of it.
[03:28] <krsnadasa> i have the headers they come by default
[03:29] <krsnadasa> maybe i need to restart
[03:29] <krsnadasa> be back in a little
[03:38] <krsnadasa> RAOF: restart is magic ;) thanks once again. Do you know how to change default server/channel in xchat or know of better irc client ?
[03:51] <teethdood> alpha2 is out!
[03:52] <teethdood> I guess it's time for me to make the jump
[03:53] <jonpackard> ﻿teethdood: woot! thanks for the heads up!
[03:53]  * Hobbsee raises an eyebrow
[03:53] <Hobbsee> teethdood: citation needed.
[03:54] <teethdood> Hobbsee: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/
[03:54] <Hobbsee> it's not on ubuntu-devel-announce yet
[03:54] <Hobbsee> which is when it's officially released.
[03:55] <jonpackard> hmm still no desktop image.. no biggie but weren't they planning to release one?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> they're not working
[03:55] <teethdood> Hobbsee: why can't we get a jump on it? :P if it's there it's out
[03:55] <jonpackard> hehe.. this brings me back to the days of breezy before live install images =D
[03:56] <Hobbsee> because they may remove it from there, if they find something major.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> and also, because the mirrors are all trying to get it soon too
[03:56] <Hobbsee> the latter being more likely
[03:57] <teethdood> I'll do the upgrade path, not gonna be pretty but I doubt many will jump on it
[04:03] <RAOF> There it goes, now on the ML.
[04:12] <maco> when can we expect alpha 2 desktop isos?
[04:13] <maco> i dont want to install until at least alpha 3, but playing with live cds sounds fun
[04:20] <teethdood> hardy broke my tv tuner, so I want to try intrepid asap...in other words, tonight
[04:51] <teamcobra> heh, I would put it on my server, but no thanks ;)
[04:51] <teamcobra> I did w/ hardy alpha and thugged it out like a champ though ;)
[04:52] <h3sp4wn> hardy was useless on my xen vserver
[04:52] <teamcobra> yeah, I don't think I'm going to go w/ xen on this box, kvm instead
[04:52] <h3sp4wn> and the version of ocaml in hardy is(was) borked
[04:52] <teamcobra> xen has given me _headaches_ for the past 2 days, and I've set it up fine on older hardware
[04:53] <h3sp4wn> This is remote - slicehost they are pretty good
[04:53] <teamcobra> yeah, I pulled my colo box for the weekend, redoing everything on it
[04:53] <h3sp4wn> Is kvm really mature enough for that either I dunno
[04:54] <teamcobra> (mainly to take advantage of vm's)
[04:54] <h3sp4wn> I would use Solaris Express community edition given half a chance
[04:54] <teamcobra> prob w/ sxce + nexenta is the hardware support
[04:55] <h3sp4wn> All my hardware at home is supported
[04:55] <teamcobra> nexenta's new alpha is based on hardy for userland, opensolaris kernel w/ zfs... but it doesn't work w/ the sata controller on my motherboard
[04:55] <teamcobra> ahhhh, then it'd be a decent server choice, just for the zfs space advantage... but zfs needs an extra 1gb of ram just for overhead
[04:56] <h3sp4wn> I have 4gb ram in the box that I use as a home server
[04:56] <teamcobra> this box is a phenom (2.2ghz on each core, forgot the model), 8gb ram, 2.5tb hd space
[04:56] <teamcobra> if you're using a raid, zfs is sweet... but really, I don't care for solaris too much, and they really want to come out w/ a linux distro killer
[04:56] <h3sp4wn> So why not pick up a decent sata controller
[04:57] <teamcobra> yeah, but if I'm going to do that, why not go all the way, buy a hw raid controller, and install proxmox ve ;p
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> I have 2 zpools one for root and one for storage - all fine
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> linux stuff running under xen perfect
[04:57] <teamcobra> anyway, to the previous point... they want to make a linux distro killer, but it'll never happen, have you tried using, for example, glassfish?
[04:58] <teamcobra> the interface is half decent, the reliability kinda sucks (large applications come up every other server start, etc)
[04:58] <h3sp4wn> Thats a tech demo that is all - Most of the stupid stuff gnome does gets reverted by Sun which is useful
[04:58] <teamcobra> and in general, sun's stuff is kinda half-assed ;p
[04:59] <teamcobra> I tried _hard_ to like glassfish, and get it to play nice
[05:00] <teamcobra> but tomcat proved to be 100% rock-solid
[05:04] <teamcobra> does kvm work w/ solaris?
[05:04] <h3sp4wn> I would say the opposite of the half-assed comment really - sometimes its slightly more cumbersome for the administrator to do stuff but the solaris kernel is still being copied from by linux in a half-assed way even now (current examples CFS, Containers, Group Scheduling that I can think of) there is nothing like zfs or dtrace
[05:05] <teethdood> <--taking the upgrade plunge, prepared for horrific death. Good luck to me
[05:05] <teamcobra> but then there's zones..... since solaris doesn't have a true alternative to kvm (unless you pay for a commercial license of VBox)
[05:05] <teamcobra> good luck teeth
[05:05] <teethdood> thanks teamcobra
[05:06] <teamcobra> and xen in opensolaris isn't really that great (can't comment about the commercial version), it kinda bites
[05:06] <teamcobra> zfs is _sweet_, but really, distributed fs's are the future
[05:07] <teamcobra> and zfs is tied to the physical box
[05:07] <teethdood> zfs allows for networked drives no?
[05:07] <teamcobra> yea, and I believe lustre uses it
[05:08] <teamcobra> but w/ linux, not quite sure exactly how they have their setup running
[05:08] <teamcobra> I do know that it is zfs + linux
[05:10] <teethdood> I have 10+ desktops in my office with 500GB HD each, doing nothing but booting the OS up. Such a waste of space. ZFS in the kernel would be awesome
[05:11] <teamcobra> *shrug,* I'm just wary of using too much Sun stuff (like being dependent on their os) in my server environment... I'm sure their commercial vers of Solaris run nicely on all sun hardware, but that's a pretty big dependency, and the horrible usability of OpenSolaris is like the first hit of (shitty) smack
[05:11] <teamcobra> teeth: yeah, but zfs's overhead is BAD
[05:12] <teamcobra> I mean, the linux community has some of the best engineers in the world
[05:12] <teamcobra> I've seen a few distributed fs
[05:12] <teamcobra> and while they're not in use now as much as zfs, they don't take 1gb of ram just for fs activities ;p
[05:13] <teamcobra> (it doesn't _require_ it, but it won't outperform a standard raid unless you feed it properly)
[05:13] <tritium> teamcobra: I'm not sure how many of them have engineering degrees
[05:13] <teamcobra> nexenta is as good of a step in the right direction that opensolaris can hope for
[05:14] <teamcobra> tritium, but does the piece of paper really matter _that_ much?
[05:14] <tritium> yes
[05:14] <teamcobra> and I'm sure sun employs its fair share of non-phd's
[05:15] <teamcobra> trit: as opposed to someone who taught themselves how to code, knows his field by heart because he's immersed himself in it?
[05:15]  * nickrud thinks tritium is an engineer ;P
[05:15] <tritium> coding != engineering
[05:15] <teamcobra> tritium, not always, no
[05:15] <tritium> nickrud would be correct ;)
[05:16] <teamcobra> but the implementation matters as much as the idea, and it
[05:17] <teamcobra> also isn't impossible for someone to learn by all of the example out there..... ex: some 15-year old kid is out there somewhere reading kernel-devel lists and teaching himself the ins and outs of the kernel and in general, best practices for a _lot_ of different situations
[05:17] <teethdood> some ass of a neighbor is lighting up fireworks like the 4th of July, making my dog go nuts
[05:17] <tritium> teamcobra: that's still not engineering.  That's coding.
[05:18] <tritium> Engineering is based on first principles.
[05:20] <teamcobra> and those principles are documented and out there for someone to teach themselves
[05:21] <tritium> Yes, one could teach themselves engineering.  Coding is still not engineering.
[05:21] <teamcobra> tritium, the first example was a bad one
[05:21] <tritium> Nor is obtaining an MSCE, or equivalent.
[05:22] <teamcobra> obviously, as engineering is the first stage, before the first line of code is (or should be) written
[05:22] <tritium> *sigh*
[05:24] <teamcobra> the only point that I wanted to make is that while a large corporation can hire a ton of very bright folks with all of the right credentials on paper, it is still possible for a large group of very dedicated people to outperform them, even though on average, the number of degrees in the latter crowd may be less. nothing more, nothing less
[05:24] <tritium> I agree with that, teamcobra.  :)
[05:25] <teamcobra> and OpenSolaris's terrible end-user experience (and by end-user, I mean admin, as that's it's target) is proof ;p
[05:25] <tritium> heh
[05:25] <teamcobra> there's _loads_ of geniuses @ sun ;p
[05:26] <teamcobra> but either it's an intentional crippling (which I really don't think is the case... or at least hope not), or just plain not eating their dogfood ;p
[05:28]  * teamcobra has been experimenting w/ different distros/os'es all week and making plenty of mental notes ;p ;p
[05:30] <teethdood> I almost jumped ship to fedora cuz of my stupid tv tuner...but intrepid is gonna solve all that...in about 2 hours!
[05:31] <teamcobra> teeth: bust out kernelcheck, and build a custom kernel
[05:31] <teamcobra> w/ the drivers you need
[05:31] <teamcobra> I only recommend kernelcheck because it's impossible to screw up ;)
[05:32] <tritium> teamcobra: which tuner?
[05:32] <teethdood> teamcobra: I did, and initramfs was giving me fits
[05:32] <gluer> hi, is there an update to get nvidia working?
[05:32] <teamcobra> teeth: woah, it should the proper initramfs entries upon installing the kernel-image package in dpkg
[05:32] <teamcobra> teethdood, what tuner?
[05:33] <teethdood> teamcobra: PCTV HD pro stick, 800e I think. My fault for not checking the compat list first
[05:33] <teamcobra> (dpkg calls mkinitramfs before updating grub)
[05:33] <tritium> Ah, USB?
[05:34] <teethdood> tritium: yeah, laptop, so had to do usb
[05:34] <tritium> Cool.
[05:36] <teethdood> I'm assuming intrepid alpha2 here uses 2.6.25+ so I can build a module for it. 2.6.24 didn't play nice
[05:36] <maco> 2.6.26 actually
[05:39] <teethdood> ah nice :)
[05:41] <teamcobra> anyone here really get their hands dirty w/ kvm networking?
[06:05] <Jordan_U> Just curious, is the reason why there is no Desktop CD for Alpha 2 because there was trouble getting the image under 700 meg?
[06:07] <maco> Jordan_U: thats what it says online...that its oversize
[06:07] <maco> dont know what page
[06:07] <maco> i was looking over crimsun's shoulder
[06:53] <emma> Hi Amaranth
[06:53] <emma> :)
[06:53] <Amaranth> hi
[07:06] <Jordan_U> The alternate install CD uses parted rather than fdisk, correct?
[09:04] <krsnadasa> can some one help i am having problems with iwl4965
[09:06] <krsnadasa> anyone?
[09:06] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: for hardy?
[09:06] <krsnadasa> no ibex 8.10
[09:07] <gnomefreak> most likely its due to borked kernel
[09:08] <krsnadasa> borked?
[09:08] <gnomefreak> once kernel gets fixed maybe than try it. Honestly its not smart using ibex yet unless you are a developer and even than most still running chroots
[09:08] <gnomefreak> borked == broken
[09:09] <krsnadasa> well it was working till i tried to upgrade compat-wireless but can't seem to get it working again
[09:10] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: if you find something that doesnt work please file a bug report on it since there isnt anything we can do to fix drivers until beta, Its a vvery very very bad idea to add hacks to your intrepid system since the fix once in repos has a big chance of getting caught up in you hack
[09:11] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: does it work if you remove compat-wireless?
[09:12] <krsnadasa> gnomefreak: Error inserting iwlcore : Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[09:12] <krsnadasa> and same error for iwl4965
[09:14] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: your better off filing a bug.
[09:15] <krsnadasa> that makes me feel like i am giving them a problem i they don't need because it is of my doing
[09:16] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: what did you do to cause this?
[09:16] <gnomefreak> did you build your own kernel? do you use the kernel from repos
[09:16] <krsnadasa> repos
[09:16] <gnomefreak> 04:12 <       krsnadasa > gnomefreak: Error inserting iwlcore : Unknown symbol  in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) <<< tells me its a kernel module issue
[09:17] <krsnadasa> yea thats what it is but how do i fix it ?
[09:17] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: if you didnt install outside packages or build your own FILE A BUG
[09:18] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: have to fix the parameters in the kernel/kernel modules and rebuild if your asking how to fix it your not gonna beable to fiz or build your own kernel with the fix in it
[09:19] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: kernel is very tempermental and not very easy unless you have done it a few times before.
[09:19] <krsnadasa> i have compiled multible kernels on debian and ubuntu
[09:20] <krsnadasa> but when it comes to modules i get a little lost because i havent used linux in 6 years now and back in the day it was bad to build with modules
[09:20] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: than fix it, but beware your kernel may not work nor get updates if you dont do it right.
[09:21] <krsnadasa> ok i was hoping to find someone with a little more knowledge but thanks any way ;)
[09:22] <gnomefreak> krsnadasa: try your hand but i would back up everything. I dont have all day to help with kernel issues today, most of our kernel guys will not be here today at all or tomorrow. if you expect it to get fixed than file a bug or they are likely not gonna see the issue
[09:22] <krsnadasa> yea thanks i removed the headers and reinstalled them and i am going to see if that works
[09:23] <krsnadasa> do you happen to know if there is some magic command that say "install the modules again" or is that done when i do a make install with compat wireless ?
[09:25] <krsnadasa> iwl4965: Unknown symbol iwl_rxq_stop
[09:27] <krsnadasa> gnomefreak: i guess that is a no
[11:13] <gnomefreak> ok who is using intrepid + nvidia or without nvidia? i need test done on something so i can find out what is causing sound to play
[11:28] <th1> Hi, I read the announcement from June 28 of Intrepid Alpha 1, and the link http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/alpha-1/ is broken (also the ubuntu and xubuntu links), where are the images??
[11:29] <gnomefreak> th1: go for alpha 2
[11:29] <th1> ah.. maybe update the announcemnet pages? ;)
[11:29] <gnomefreak> might have released a1 links with a2 links
[11:29] <gnomefreak> th1: what page?
[11:30] <th1> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha1 and others that link to it
[11:30] <th1> also front page of kubuntu.org
[11:30] <gnomefreak> give me a minute
[11:31] <th1> ok, downloading alpha 2 meanwhile ;)
[11:31] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview
[11:31] <gnomefreak> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-2/
[11:32] <gnomefreak> i cant edit kubuntu.org
[11:34] <gnomefreak> i cant edit taht page either since the ubuntu one is documents team pages and kubntu has own editers for thier page since its not a wiki. only wikis everyone can edit. the link fails because alpha 2 is released more than likely (we have had server trouble in past so maybe this is a way to help it)
[11:57] <Bernardo> hi
[11:59] <gnomefreak> hi
[12:07] <molgrum> any time estimate when the nvidia drivers will be fixed?
[12:12] <gnomefreak> molgrum: they are
[12:12] <gnomefreak> molgrum: you will have to remake your xorg.conf
[12:13] <molgrum> on x86_64 even?
[12:13] <gnomefreak> unless newest update today fixed that (yesterday or today) but i got it today
[12:13] <gnomefreak> molgrum: dont know didnt ask
[12:13] <molgrum> hmm
[12:13] <gnomefreak> im assuming its for all archs
[12:13] <molgrum> alright.. what should i do in xorg.conf?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> molgrum: re make it onc eyou install nvidia-glx-xxx replacing xx with the rigth drivers you will lose X and it will tell you to run nvidia-config IIRC
[12:16] <molgrum> i guess i should uninstall nvidia-glx-new and install nvidia-177?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> molgrum: what card do you have?
[12:16] <molgrum> 8800gts
[12:16] <gnomefreak> and its nvidia-glx-177
[12:16] <molgrum> hmm
[12:17] <molgrum> alright, so out goes nvidia-glx-new then?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> it will remove nvidia-glx-new for you. if you have X packages held back install them
[12:17] <molgrum> ah ok
[12:17] <gnomefreak> molgrum: yes
[12:17] <gnomefreak> you need new X with new nvidia
[12:17] <molgrum> i can't install some x packages though, says i need to do a "partial dist upgrade" and fails
[12:17] <gnomefreak> if held back run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:17] <molgrum> ok
[12:17] <gnomefreak> molgrum: it should remove a few X packages
[12:18] <gnomefreak> install alot of them and it will remove nvidia-glx-new
[12:18] <gnomefreak> if not done already
[12:18] <molgrum> is this safe? :)
[12:18] <molgrum> i'm doing it now
[12:18] <molgrum> can't be any worse than it is though, i was already preparing to go back to hardy anyway
[12:19] <gnomefreak> molgrum: its safe for me only because i know what im doing
[12:19] <gnomefreak> molgrum: if you have to ask is it safe? than you should be using hardy not intrepid
[12:20] <gnomefreak> and you will see why in a few minutes
[12:20] <molgrum> guess so
[12:23] <marijus> why does compiz fail if i start it with "compiz --replace" and it runs if i start it with "LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz --replace" ?
[12:23] <marijus> intel i810 gfx driver
[12:23] <gnomefreak> marijus: hardy?
[12:23] <marijus> intrepid
[12:24] <gnomefreak> marijus: than not sure maybe ask monday when our compiz, desktop guys are here
[12:25] <gnomefreak> there are 2 things i can think of but neither have been fixed yet and i cant remember one of the packages but mesa maybe screwing it up
[12:26] <marijus> it seems like compiz trying to run in direct rendering mode but - sadly - fails...
[12:27] <gnomefreak> marijus: i no loger build desktop effects packages i dropped out of my team and changed ownership to someone else from the desktop-effects team
[12:28] <gnomefreak> now its handled by desktop developers
[12:30] <gnomefreak> be back a bit later im helping someone with a problem and it may take a while i hate weekends and phones turned on on weekends
[12:31] <marijus> ;-)
[13:47] <hmuller> Accidentally disconnected, therefore did not see response if one was sent regarding previous question
[13:47] <hmuller> disregard, that was for a different channel
[15:05] <Hobbsee> RAOF: ping?
[15:05] <Chepra> Hello, i am currently trying to uprade to intrepid
[15:05] <Chepra> But getting this error in /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log.
[15:06] <Chepra> http://rafb.net/p/P14cSy22.html
[15:06] <Chepra> Shall i remove nvidia-glx-new myself?
[16:09] <LSD|Ninja> weren't desktop CDs supposed to happen with A2?
[17:33] <SebNaitsabes> what new features for next Ubuntu?
[18:11] <ricsi-pontaz> hello
[18:12] <ricsi-pontaz> i searching an ibex photo to my Intrepid Ibex Wallpapper conception. But i don't found any free pictures. Can somebody help me?
[18:16] <teamcobra> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=ibex&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2   <--there's some ibex's :D
[18:18] <bjwebb> hello
[18:18] <bjwebb> i hope this is the right place for this
[18:18] <bjwebb> is there a way to install just a few packages from ibex?
[18:19] <teamcobra> bj: possibly, but you might back yourself into a dependency problem
[18:20] <ricsi-pontaz> ok teamcobra, but this pictures aren't free. and this is a lincese problem i think, what do you think?
[18:21] <teamcobra> right, you'd have to search deeper in regard to each one
[18:21] <teamcobra> hang on, lemme check something else
[18:24] <teamcobra> ricsi-pontaz, http://search.creativecommons.org , be sure to check both checkboxes, and check the flickr tab after you search for "ibex" :D
[18:24] <teamcobra> I found some cool ones, and they won't be a license problem... too bad I can't give you my search results in a link, but that's how their site is :p
[18:26] <LSD|Ninja> How do you change what runlevel the system boots into? There doiesn;t seem to be an inittab anymore...
[18:27] <ricsi-pontaz> teamcobra thank you very much! ;)
[18:27] <teamcobra> http://flickr.com/photos/tyrian123/507175569/    <---- ricso, that is a NICE photo to start with ;)
[18:27] <tritium> LSD|Ninja: ubuntu/debian only use runlevels 1 and 2.
[18:27] <teamcobra> no problem :D
[18:27] <tritium> LSD|Ninja: 1 is single-user (recovery) mode, so you're in 2.
[18:27] <LSD|Ninja> tritium: how else do you temporarily bypass gdm to upgrade a system with a broken one then?
[18:27] <ricsi-pontaz> bye
[18:28] <tritium> LSD|Ninja: disable gdm
[18:28] <LSD|Ninja> tritium: and how is that achieved?
[18:28] <tritium> LSD|Ninja: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[18:29] <tritium> Use the update-rc.d method
[18:56] <atlas95> hello
[18:56] <atlas95> PAE is actived in intrepid generic kernel??
[18:59] <catweazle> atlas95: no
[19:00] <catweazle> the Pentium M CPU with 400fsb not supporting PAE
[19:01] <catweazle> and it is in many newer laptops
[19:46] <LSD|Ninja> Bah, greeter still crashes - even after a reformat+reinstall
[20:25] <ASULutzy1> Hmmm, any idea why when I try and enable compiz my screen goes white (mouse still moves, just everything else is white) I have an Intel x3100 (i965) using the intel driver. I'll get a pastebin of logs now...
[20:29] <ASULutzy1> Xorg.0.log = http://paste.ubuntu.com/26938/ dmesg | tail has nothing useful, and .xsession-errors = http://paste.ubuntu.com/26939/ again enabling compiz is making the entire screen go white while using an Intel x3100(i965) with intel driver. Currently using Intrepid alpha 2 with all current updates/upgrades
[20:36] <LSD|Ninja> ASULutzy1: you can boot into GNOME without any screen corruption or greeter BS?
[20:39] <ASULutzy1> LSD|Ninja: Sorry was making a forum post about it. Yes I can login to gnome just fine, I'm currently booted into Gnome and everything is peachy, but if I enable compiz by clicking System -> preferences -> appearence, etc, the whole screen goes white
[20:51] <teamcobra> ASU, fwiw, I was setting up a bunch of different distros on a box w/ a radeon 3200hd, and I experienced the same thing in centos w/ fglrx when it ran inside of a xen kernel
[20:51] <teamcobra> it's an issue w/ compiz not working properly w/ the 3d driver (because of xen in the kernel, I believe). Intrepid uses a xen kernel by default
[20:53] <teamcobra> not the answer you wanted, but at least intrepid will force ati (and nvidia) to fix their drivers
[20:53] <teamcobra> nvidia's blob won't even build under xen without a patch made by Amaranth ;p
[20:54] <Amaranth> teamcobra: there are nvidia packages in multiverse
[20:54] <Amaranth> they'll be in restricted soon, if they aren't already
[20:54] <Amaranth> ASULutzy1: that's a known mesa bug, please don't file a bug against compiz for it
[20:54] <teamcobra> Amaranth: right, I was referring to just building the driver from nvidia's package, noting that both major video card makers need to fix the xen issues w/ their drivers on their end as well
[20:55] <Amaranth> teamcobra: my patch just made it disable all its xen code paths
[20:55] <teamcobra> and this is why closed source drivers stink ;p
[20:56] <LSD|Ninja> heh, there are a couple of places on one of my systems where I'd rather have the closed drivers
[20:56] <teamcobra> I mean, you can't really expect ati or nvidia to be looking ahead at different virtualization architectures and ensuring compatibility, for a while it seemed like ati didn't even test fglrx ;p ;p
[20:56] <teamcobra> LSD|Ninja, yeah, but you'd really rather have open drivers that do everything that the closed ones do
[20:56] <LSD|Ninja> teamcobra: meh, I don't really care one way or the other
[20:57] <teamcobra> LSD|Ninja, yeah, but you'd really rather have open drivers that do everything that the closed ones do
[20:57] <teamcobra> whoops
[20:57] <ASULutzy1> Sorry tweaking things up, but I don't have an ati card or an nvidia card, (on my desktop I do) but this is my laptop with an Intel integrated card
[20:57] <ASULutzy1> And it's a regression, because compiz did work in Intrepid alpha 1
[20:57] <Amaranth> ASULutzy1: that's a known mesa bug, please don't file a bug against compiz for it
[20:57] <LSD|Ninja> ath5k ****ing sucks and there's still no decent way to get 3D on nVidia and ATi without closed drivers
[20:58] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: r500 and older ati has _awesome_ open source support
[20:58] <ASULutzy1> Amaranth: Ok, I won't, but the folks who are in charge of mesa realize it's a newly introduced regression, correct?
[20:58] <Amaranth> Yes.
[20:58] <ASULutzy1> Amaranth: Thanks :)
[20:58] <LSD|Ninja> Amaranth: That wasn't in Ubuntu last I checked (which, admittedly, was a while ago)
[20:58] <Amaranth> Because we have a High bug targeted for alpha-3 with like 6 dupes :P
[20:59] <Amaranth> !info xserver-xorg-video-radeon intrepid
[20:59] <teamcobra> LSD|Ninja, I meant to say afterwards that open drivers won't break every time the kernel api changes ;)
[20:59] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: Right there :)
[21:00] <ASULutzy1> tell me about it, on my desktop I have an ATI 2900XT, in order to get my ASUS p5k, hardy heron, and my gfx card to all play nicely with 4 GB of ram I had to write my own startup script that rewrites /proc/mtrr... fglrx ftl ;)
[21:00] <LSD|Ninja> I do recall r300 working quite well the one time I tried it on FBSD. Not quite as well as I recalled fglrx working, but still better than I was expecting from an open source project
[21:01] <ASULutzy1> And it's not just an Ubuntu bug, same thing happened in OpenSuse 11, so I'm not sure if I should blame fglrx, or ASUS, I'm actually leaning towards ASUS, their memory remap in BIOS is probably very hackish ;)
[21:01] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: It's not as fast yet but it's there
[21:02] <teamcobra> on the plus side, ati's drivers won't suck forever
[21:02] <teamcobra> where nvidia's might suck for quite some time to come (go nouveau go!)
[21:12] <LSD|Ninja> Amaranth: Is that new for Intrepid or was it in Hardy too?
[21:12] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: r500 support? intrepid
[21:13] <LSD|Ninja> Does that encompass r300 as well?
[21:17] <teamcobra> wow, I am starting to _love_ kvm ;) now I have to fully grok the networking and I'll be set :D
[21:20] <sergiu> hello
[21:21] <teamcobra> hello sergiu
[21:22] <sergiu> teamcobra hi, do you know, what is the codename of the upcoming ubuntu? (I want to upgrade hardy to latest alpha )
[21:22] <sergiu> :D
[21:22] <teamcobra> intrepid :D
[21:22] <sergiu> and it's works? :\
[21:22] <sergiu> with repository
[21:22] <teamcobra> (short for Intrepid Ibex)
[21:22] <teamcobra> I believe so, that's how I upgraded before alpha1 isos came out
[21:23] <teamcobra> it is still alpha
[21:23] <sergiu> thanks
[21:38] <LSD|Ninja> why in gods name does intrepid try and output stuff through the PC speaker? >_<
[21:41] <teamcobra> LSD: heh, yet another new kernel module
[21:41] <teamcobra> pc-speaker-as-sound-card
[21:42] <teamcobra> saw that when rebuilding a new kernel for hardy a while back
[21:42] <LSD|Ninja> not that s**t again
[21:42] <LSD|Ninja> MS tried this 15 years ago. It was crap then and it's crap now. Let it die already.
[21:43] <teamcobra> I think you can also use it as a mic ;)
[21:43] <LSD|Ninja> I suppose most Linux users would have still been in diapers around the time of Windows 3.1 and SPEAKER.DRV so they won't remember it
[21:44] <LSD|Ninja> So, how do I turn this abomination off?
[21:45] <LSD|Ninja> first time it happened I thought my HDD heads had crashed :P
[21:46] <jordan> LSD|Ninja, Oh I remember, but it's obviously not intentional, probably pulseaudio going to the wrong sync
[21:47] <LSD|Ninja> wtf is the point about exhuming this crap anyway? I mean, it made some sort of sense back in 1994 when sound cards and CD-ROM drives were still relatively new but I don't think there is a consumer motherboard that doesn't run off the production line without some kind of onboard sound
[21:52] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja, Well it's nice just to have a system beep that doesn't require extra speakers
[21:54] <LSD|Ninja> OK, so blacklisting pcspkr didn't do the trick
[21:55] <Jordan_U> Is there a reason why compiz isn't working with the radeon driver, normally I would chock this up to the fact that were're still in alpha but a recent update in fedora 9 broke compiz as well
[21:56] <crdlb> Jordan_U: can you elaborate?
[21:59] <Jordan_U> crdlb, When I first installed fedora 9 compiz worked with the radeon driver, this is the first time it had worked with my card, when I updated I got the error "compiz.real (core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing" from compiz and now I am getting the same error in intrepid ( though this is a fresh install so it has never worked in intrepid or any previous version of Ubuntu )
[22:00] <crdlb> so t_f_p is apparently broken for you
[22:00] <crdlb> do you have direct rendering?
[22:00] <Jordan_U> crdlb, Yes
[22:01] <crdlb> any relevant errors in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[22:02] <Jordan_U> crdlb, Not an error but interestingly it does say "(==) AIGLX enabled"
[22:06] <Jordan_U> crdlb, grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log gives only "(EE) Failed to load module "dri2" (module does not exist, 0)" which I assume is normal
[22:07] <crdlb> I would guess that intrepid is in some sort of transition
[22:08] <Jordan_U> crdlb, I would have assumed it was just that also but the same bug appeared in stable fedora9
[22:19] <teamcobra> Jordan: it's a mesa regression, and yes the devs are aware of it
[22:20] <teamcobra> wait nvm
[22:20] <teamcobra> sorry
[22:20] <teamcobra> going back to my hole and working, but that bug wasn't the same as the one from earlier
[22:34] <teethdood> well, intrepid upgrade hosed my system pretty good :) guess I'll wait awhile
[22:35] <teamcobra> ouch
[22:36] <jbroome> it's almost like intrepid is alpha software
[22:36] <teethdood> umm...alpha 2 to be precise
[22:37] <LSD|Ninja> ...
[22:38] <td123> jbroome: awesome joke
[22:45] <teethdood> the "joke" would've been funny had I bitched and moaned. Damn, I put a smiley in there for emphasis too
[22:46] <td123> teethdood: you're not talking to me right?
[22:47] <teethdood> no :P just saying to the wind