| mrooney | huh. does anyone know why doing a fresh install of 8.04.1 on a macbook doesn't allow it to boot? it just goes to a white screen and flashes a question mark | 00:19 |
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| mrooney | I would have thought grub would take care of everything | 00:19 |
| sn9 | mrooney: did you use bootcamp? | 00:24 |
| mrooney | sn9: nope, just booted from the CD, deleted all the partitions, and made new ones | 00:35 |
| mrooney | from the hardy cd that is | 00:35 |
| sn9 | mrooney: that's why | 00:35 |
| mrooney | I think it is bug 222126 | 00:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 222126 in mactel-support "MBR Partition Table is cleared during install" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222126 | 00:36 |
| sn9 | EFI needs an EFI partition | 00:36 |
| sn9 | you have to use bootcamp to create it, AIUI | 00:36 |
| Flannel | mrooney: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro | 00:38 |
| mrooney | Flannel: any particular section? | 00:39 |
| mrooney | I don't see a section on just "installing ubuntu" | 00:40 |
| mrooney | wow this is really hard! | 00:53 |
| mrooney | every single guide I can find is dual or triple booting | 00:54 |
| mrooney | I just want ubuntu! | 00:54 |
| sn9 | if you can't figure out how to do that from the guides yourself, get someone else to install it for you | 00:54 |
| Flannel | mrooney: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#head-95cace70d21bfdc171ab9030459c118bfd999450 | 00:55 |
| Flannel | mrooney: Debian vs Ubuntu vs arbitrary other linux doesn't matter. | 00:55 |
| Flannel | basically, you install like normal. And the boot stuff does BIOS compatability, and everyone is happy | 00:56 |
| mrooney | Flannel: ah okay, just I just do that and reinstall? | 00:57 |
| Flannel | mrooney: Yep | 00:58 |
| mrooney | Flannel: thanks! let us see how this works | 01:05 |
| mrooney | oh boy, new partition table, looks promising! | 01:06 |
| mrooney | what a nasty bug | 01:14 |
| mrooney | though I am really glad to see an improved Wubi in 8.04.1 | 01:14 |
| sn9 | it's not like wubi can get any worse | 01:14 |
| mrooney | :) | 01:14 |
| mrooney | it worked alright except it messed up the menu.lst so it couldn't boot | 01:15 |
| mrooney | also it broke windows from booting | 01:15 |
| mrooney | but I looked it up online and it was a known issue and just involved changing the menu.lst I think, anyone the new version worked like a charm on the same machine | 01:15 |
| mrooney | sn9: you aren't impressed with Wubi? | 01:16 |
| sn9 | it sounds much more impressive than it is | 01:16 |
| mrooney | well, what it does for ease of installation and trying for windows users is impressive, I think | 01:16 |
| savvas | it prevents people from loading the live cd, and asking how to do stuff like booting from a live cd :) | 01:17 |
| mrooney | it takes a whole bunch of overwhelming steps (to 98% of the population) and throws them out the window | 01:17 |
| mrooney | haha | 01:17 |
| savvas | seriously, there's a whole bunch of them at ubuntuforums | 01:17 |
| sn9 | they could have easily made it work with fat filesystems | 01:17 |
| mrooney | it only works on ntfs? | 01:18 |
| sn9 | yep | 01:18 |
| savvas | well it's a good marketing idea to steal users :p | 01:18 |
| mrooney | Flannel: it's booting, hooray! thanks a thousand | 01:19 |
| mrooney | savvas: yeah, it makes it trivial to give to my parents and say "here, try this" | 01:19 |
| mrooney | I think it will allow users of ubuntu to get others to try it out much easier | 01:20 |
| savvas | haha, then after five minutes.. "where's my screen!!!" | 01:20 |
| sn9 | it's less trivial to get your parents to like it | 01:20 |
| mrooney | haha | 01:20 |
| mrooney | all fair points I guess | 01:20 |
| savvas | my dad and I learned together dos from a book in greek | 01:20 |
| savvas | that's how i got attached to computers as my hobby heh | 01:21 |
| sn9 | i wish i had the chance to show ubuntu to my dad, but it didn't exist during his lifetime | 01:21 |
| tritium | sn9: I do too | 01:43 |
| sn9 | any release managers around? | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | sn9: yes, why? | 02:48 |
| sn9 | sru been sitting around a couple of days... | 02:49 |
| sn9 | #246834 | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | bug 246834 | 02:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246834 in xkeyboard-config "No support for for Mac-like keyboard layouts with extra characters" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246834 | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | sn9: man, you sure are persistent :-) | 02:54 |
| sn9 | LaserJock: yep | 02:54 |
| sn9 | it's how things get done | 02:55 |
| LaserJock | somewhat, a balance is good | 02:55 |
| LaserJock | somewhere between bringing it to people's attention and nagging them to death :-) | 02:56 |
| sn9 | persistence balances neglect, so it's all good | 02:56 |
| * Hobbsee isn't touching sru's, anyway | 02:57 | |
| LaserJock | if it's been uploaded the archive admins will get to it when they can | 02:58 |
| sn9 | how big is the backlog? | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | sn9: here is the hardy queue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | that's certainly not all they have to do | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | sn9: besides, if you hadn't noticed, people have been trying to get the next alpha of intrepid out, so sru's may fall down the totem pole. | 03:00 |
| sn9 | well, at least it'll be in the alpha... | 03:01 |
| sn9 | LaserJock: thanx!! | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | wow, that was only filed on wednesday | 03:09 |
| sn9 | and it's already dead-center in the queue | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | sn9: fyi, as a general piece of advice, if you get a reputation as being very persistent, no matter how important whatever you want to be done is, people are likely to deprioritise your stuff, out of principle. | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | various people have found this. | 03:13 |
| * sn9 grumbles | 03:14 | |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: well, there is a difference between persistent and annoyingly persistent | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | it's just that that line isn't always clear at the beginning | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | ah, yes, that's what i meant. | 03:17 |
| LaserJock | sn9: from our perspective we see some SRUs taking more than a month often times | 03:17 |
| LaserJock | sn9: so going from filed to in -proposed in 3 days is actually rather fast | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | and i'd also suggest that people actually test the prereleases, so people find such bugs quicker. | 03:18 |
| sn9 | an sru for samba i could expect to last a year, but this one is tiny | 03:18 |
| LaserJock | well, that might be true, but we've had "tiny" ones cause pretty bad problems before | 03:19 |
| sn9 | that wouldn't be possible with this one -- it doesn't even affect any code, just data | 03:20 |
| LaserJock | ... and it's getting processed very quickly | 03:21 |
| sn9 | i'll be considerably less persistent with bug 246850 if it qualifies for an sru | 03:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246850 in libx11 "certain keyboard layouts irreparably broken in hardy; fix already in intrepid" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246850 | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | no you won't. | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | you'll find another bug to be persistant about. | 03:22 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: now now ;-) | 03:22 |
| sn9 | not to this degree | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: true. but it's obvious :) | 03:23 |
| * RAOF goes to ammend that bug. It's title is really misleading. | 03:23 | |
| Hobbsee | !sru | 03:35 |
| ubottu | Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 03:35 |
| sn9 | that i read | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | i was reading it. | 03:38 |
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| pwnguin | should I be concerned that the gedit spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "ubuntu"? | 06:01 |
| sn9 | i wondered that myself | 06:02 |
| sn9 | meh, ultimately yet another manifestation of bug 1 | 06:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | 06:03 |
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| Awsoonn | oh mighty #ubuntu-bugs: Bug #231732 -> 'triaged' please | 08:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 231732 in xorg "problems with hp dv6700 touchpad on hardy 8.04 32-bit" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/231732 | 08:58 |
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| thekorn | oh mighty Awsoonn: done :) | 09:03 |
| * Awsoonn grabs the butter | 09:03 | |
| Awsoonn | thanks thekorn | 09:03 |
| Awsoonn | thekorn, does it usually take long to be approved / denied for bug control? | 09:04 |
| thekorn | Awsoonn, it depends on the workload of the involved people, | 09:06 |
| thekorn | it is now release/testing time and some conferences, | 09:06 |
| thekorn | so it might take some time | 09:06 |
| thekorn | but usualy within weeks and not years :) | 09:06 |
| Awsoonn | very cool | 09:07 |
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| afflux | morning | 10:14 |
| bliZZardz | What can be statuses for Breezy bugs? ;) | 10:54 |
| gnomefreak | jpds: you really dont want to unban AMarigot-102-1 | 11:16 |
| gnomefreak | you are just askiung for problems if you do | 11:17 |
| jpds | gnomefreak: Couldn't find him/her/it in the bantracker. | 11:17 |
| gnomefreak | jpds: dont go by bantracker as it has been having problems sicne new bot was active | 11:18 |
| gnomefreak | around the time seveas left and took ubotu | 11:18 |
| jpds | gnomefreak: Well, if it goes that far back, I doubt they'll come back soon. :) | 11:20 |
| gnomefreak | jpds: i hope not he was really really bad <trolling> every #ubuntu-* channel. trolling for lack of a better word | 11:22 |
| Hobbsee | bliZZardz: invalid, if they don't occur in later releases | 11:58 |
| savvas | can someone paste the output of: ls -l /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.info | 13:36 |
| Hobbsee | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10684 2008-07-04 02:20 /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.info | 13:36 |
| thekorn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10684 2008-07-03 18:25 /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.info | 13:37 |
| savvas | thanks | 13:37 |
| savvas | I wonder why they can't replace the file | 13:37 |
| savvas | (bug 244093) | 13:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 244093 in python-apt "Checking security repository in Updates adds deb line to Third-Party Software" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/244093 | 13:38 |
| james_w | they were probably just not root | 13:43 |
| savvas | mm true | 13:48 |
| savvas | cool, I have a greyed out firefox that works! | 13:49 |
| Ienorand | Hello, could somebody lend me a hand in triaging bug #242196, I'm suspecting erroneous drivers, any comments? (and yes, I've not done much triaging before) | 16:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 242196 in ubuntu-meta "Ubuntu will not recognize Cell Phone storage devices to copy files" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242196 | 16:02 |
| ogra | Ienorand, request dmesg info as well ... since udev doesnt seem to see it its likely a kernel issue | 16:14 |
| sn9 | ogra, Ienorand: upon reading the bug, it's clear that the kernel does see a device | 16:32 |
| sn9 | i have a sneaking suspicion that the device simply isn't in storage mode | 16:33 |
| Ienorand | Well, the phone thinks it is connected, thus I thought the error would not lie on that half. | 16:36 |
| sn9 | oh, i misread | 16:36 |
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| Ienorand | but it may be that the phone won't connect properly without its software suite.... by the way, how do you see that the kernel sees a device? | 16:39 |
| sn9 | i misread "the phone will register that it is plugged into the computer" as "the phone will register when it is plugged into the computer" | 16:40 |
| Ienorand | ah, right. | 16:42 |
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| bliZZardz | w.r.t bug 247916 : how do we ensure that dependant pkgs are always packages together. I stumbled on the same problem reported in this bug. | 17:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 247916 in gettext "gettext should depend on cvs, not suggest" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247916 | 17:12 |
| sn9 | wow, bug 75611 is hilarious! "Where's the F0 key?" | 18:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 75611 in tilda "Bad default (None + F1)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75611 | 18:25 |
| bliZZardz | sn9 : lol | 18:26 |
| sn9 | i can't stop laughing | 18:26 |
| sn9 | or rather, its duplicate, bug 222269 | 18:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 222269 in tilda "invalid default preferences (dup-of: 75611)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222269 | 18:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 75611 in tilda "Bad default (None + F1)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75611 | 18:28 |
| sumitc | !ubuntulog | 18:46 |
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| sumitc | !ubottu | 18:46 |
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| chrisccoulson | hi, would somebody kindly set the status for the linux-source-2.6.17 task in this report to 'wont fix' please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/69046 | 19:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 69046 in linux "Kernel panic at boot time on 64bit generic" [Undecided,Fix released] | 19:45 |
| sn9 | it's not showing Won't Fix as an option | 19:50 |
| chrisccoulson | you need to be a member of ubuntu bug control to set that status;) | 19:51 |
| sn9 | ah | 19:51 |
| hggdh | chrisccoulson, let me have a look at it | 20:04 |
| hggdh | chrisccoulson, wont fix would not be the correct status, would it? | 20:05 |
| chrisccoulson | it would be the correct status for the linux-source-2.6.17 task, as support for Edgy has expired | 20:05 |
| chrisccoulson | as the guy claims the issue is fixed in later releases, I added a linux task and set it to fixed | 20:06 |
| hggdh | chrisccoulson, OK | 20:06 |
| hggdh | done | 20:06 |
| hggdh | I added a blurb explaining why | 20:07 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks for that. much appreciated"! | 20:08 |
| hggdh | welcome | 20:10 |
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| mad_goldfish | Can I volunteer to help test #245122? What do I have to do? | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | bug 245122 | 22:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245122 in nss "libnspr4-0d missing conflicts+replaces libnspr4?" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245122 | 22:24 |
| charlie-tca | You have to downgrade your version of the upgrades, then attempt the upgrade thru upgrade manager or | 22:31 |
| charlie-tca | using apt-get update | 22:31 |
| charlie-tca | This only applies if you use the apps mentioned in the bug report | 22:32 |
| mad_goldfish | I haven't applied the fix yet, so I'm still getting the error, but I'm guessing the main repo hasn't had the fix applied yet | 22:32 |
| charlie-tca | That sounds right. did you test using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed ? | 22:34 |
| mad_goldfish | Ah, that sounds like the link I've been looking for. I'll check it out and see it helps. Thanks | 22:38 |
| charlie-tca | No problem. Good luck and thanks for testing | 22:39 |
| mad_goldfish | I thought it was about time I gave some hours back to Ubuntu for all the time it's saved me :-) And it makes a change from programming other projects :-) | 22:41 |
| charlie-tca | :0 | 22:43 |
| charlie-tca | :) | 22:43 |
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| mad_goldfish | I think I've got it setup to test buut it turns out there's been a lot happening on the repos recently so still waiting on apt-get to finish that... | 23:33 |
| mad_goldfish | If I understand bug 245122 correctly, the fix is just in the package, so a successful install is a confirmed fix, correct? | 23:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245122 in nss "libnspr4-0d missing conflicts+replaces libnspr4?" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245122 | 23:35 |
| crimsun | mad_goldfish: if you upgrade from hardy-updates's version to hardy-proposed's version successfully, yes, that can be considered confirmation of the fix | 23:38 |
| LimCore | hello fellow devels | 23:39 |
| LimCore | another day, another failures of ubuntu. | 23:39 |
| LimCore | how to report general problems like "network stops working" or "slow video playback (all players, xorg and xgl etc" ? | 23:40 |
| crimsun | mad_goldfish: so, for nss, we're considering 1.9-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 -> 3.12.0.3-0ubuntu0.8.04.2, and for nspr, 4.7.1+1.9-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 -> 4.7.1+1.9-0ubuntu0.8.04.3 | 23:40 |
| crimsun | err | 23:40 |
| crimsun | nss: 3.12.0.2+1.9-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 -> 3.12.0.3-0ubuntu0.8.04.2 | 23:41 |
| crimsun | LimCore: you can just file them under Ubuntu, but those symptoms are much too vague to be useful. | 23:41 |
| LimCore | well someone should fix it, unless we want ubuntu to remain a failure | 23:42 |
| LimCore | is there some program like this? i.e. developer concentrates on given bug untill it is fixed? | 23:43 |
| crimsun | LimCore: sure, purchase support from Canonical | 23:43 |
| crimsun | or a vetted reseller of support, I suppose | 23:44 |
| LimCore | then some real developer will concentrate on solving given ubuntu bug? | 23:44 |
| crimsun | with respect to the symptoms that you mentioned, you can help by being more precise. | 23:44 |
| LimCore | (not just some support intern) | 23:44 |
| LimCore | sure I will | 23:44 |
| LimCore | but will they fix it then | 23:44 |
| crimsun | you'll need to contact Canonical in that regard. | 23:45 |
| LimCore | good idea | 23:45 |
| crimsun | I am not a Canonical employee, and I do not intend to misstate their policies. | 23:45 |
| mad_goldfish | Hmm.. That's odd, and slightly worrying, Aptitude wants to uninstall debhelper, samba, gcc and others. I'll have to fix that before I can test the bug. | 23:52 |
| charlie-tca | mad_goldfish: You didn't remove any repositories, did you? | 23:54 |
| mad_goldfish | No. proposed was already in my repo list so I didn't have to change anything. I think it might be a hangover from a previous install. I'll set them to ignore for now | 23:55 |
| mad_goldfish | charlie-tca, unless the /etc/apt/preferences file broke something | 23:58 |
| mad_goldfish | :-( Install from proposed didn't work. Same error. I'll post t to the bug | 23:58 |
| charlie-tca | orry to hear that. | 23:59 |
| charlie-tca | But, each tester helps, I think. | 23:59 |
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