[00:19] huh. does anyone know why doing a fresh install of 8.04.1 on a macbook doesn't allow it to boot? it just goes to a white screen and flashes a question mark [00:19] I would have thought grub would take care of everything [00:24] mrooney: did you use bootcamp? [00:35] sn9: nope, just booted from the CD, deleted all the partitions, and made new ones [00:35] from the hardy cd that is [00:35] mrooney: that's why [00:36] I think it is bug 222126 [00:36] Launchpad bug 222126 in mactel-support "MBR Partition Table is cleared during install" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222126 [00:36] EFI needs an EFI partition [00:36] you have to use bootcamp to create it, AIUI [00:38] mrooney: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro [00:39] Flannel: any particular section? [00:40] I don't see a section on just "installing ubuntu" [00:53] wow this is really hard! [00:54] every single guide I can find is dual or triple booting [00:54] I just want ubuntu! [00:54] if you can't figure out how to do that from the guides yourself, get someone else to install it for you [00:55] mrooney: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#head-95cace70d21bfdc171ab9030459c118bfd999450 [00:55] mrooney: Debian vs Ubuntu vs arbitrary other linux doesn't matter. [00:56] basically, you install like normal. And the boot stuff does BIOS compatability, and everyone is happy [00:57] Flannel: ah okay, just I just do that and reinstall? [00:58] mrooney: Yep [01:05] Flannel: thanks! let us see how this works [01:06] oh boy, new partition table, looks promising! [01:14] what a nasty bug [01:14] though I am really glad to see an improved Wubi in 8.04.1 [01:14] it's not like wubi can get any worse [01:14] :) [01:15] it worked alright except it messed up the menu.lst so it couldn't boot [01:15] also it broke windows from booting [01:15] but I looked it up online and it was a known issue and just involved changing the menu.lst I think, anyone the new version worked like a charm on the same machine [01:16] sn9: you aren't impressed with Wubi? [01:16] it sounds much more impressive than it is [01:16] well, what it does for ease of installation and trying for windows users is impressive, I think [01:17] it prevents people from loading the live cd, and asking how to do stuff like booting from a live cd :) [01:17] it takes a whole bunch of overwhelming steps (to 98% of the population) and throws them out the window [01:17] haha [01:17] seriously, there's a whole bunch of them at ubuntuforums [01:17] they could have easily made it work with fat filesystems [01:18] it only works on ntfs? [01:18] yep [01:18] well it's a good marketing idea to steal users :p [01:19] Flannel: it's booting, hooray! thanks a thousand [01:19] savvas: yeah, it makes it trivial to give to my parents and say "here, try this" [01:20] I think it will allow users of ubuntu to get others to try it out much easier [01:20] haha, then after five minutes.. "where's my screen!!!" [01:20] it's less trivial to get your parents to like it [01:20] haha [01:20] all fair points I guess [01:20] my dad and I learned together dos from a book in greek [01:21] that's how i got attached to computers as my hobby heh [01:21] i wish i had the chance to show ubuntu to my dad, but it didn't exist during his lifetime [01:43] sn9: I do too [02:20] any release managers around? [02:48] sn9: yes, why? [02:49] sru been sitting around a couple of days... [02:49] #246834 [02:50] bug 246834 [02:50] Launchpad bug 246834 in xkeyboard-config "No support for for Mac-like keyboard layouts with extra characters" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246834 [02:54] sn9: man, you sure are persistent :-) [02:54] LaserJock: yep [02:55] it's how things get done [02:55] somewhat, a balance is good [02:56] somewhere between bringing it to people's attention and nagging them to death :-) [02:56] persistence balances neglect, so it's all good [02:57] * Hobbsee isn't touching sru's, anyway [02:58] if it's been uploaded the archive admins will get to it when they can [02:58] how big is the backlog? [03:00] sn9: here is the hardy queue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= [03:00] that's certainly not all they have to do [03:00] sn9: besides, if you hadn't noticed, people have been trying to get the next alpha of intrepid out, so sru's may fall down the totem pole. [03:01] well, at least it'll be in the alpha... [03:02] LaserJock: thanx!! [03:09] wow, that was only filed on wednesday [03:10] and it's already dead-center in the queue [03:13] sn9: fyi, as a general piece of advice, if you get a reputation as being very persistent, no matter how important whatever you want to be done is, people are likely to deprioritise your stuff, out of principle. [03:13] various people have found this. [03:14] * sn9 grumbles [03:16] Hobbsee: well, there is a difference between persistent and annoyingly persistent [03:16] it's just that that line isn't always clear at the beginning [03:17] ah, yes, that's what i meant. [03:17] sn9: from our perspective we see some SRUs taking more than a month often times [03:18] sn9: so going from filed to in -proposed in 3 days is actually rather fast [03:18] and i'd also suggest that people actually test the prereleases, so people find such bugs quicker. [03:18] an sru for samba i could expect to last a year, but this one is tiny [03:19] well, that might be true, but we've had "tiny" ones cause pretty bad problems before [03:20] that wouldn't be possible with this one -- it doesn't even affect any code, just data [03:21] ... and it's getting processed very quickly [03:22] i'll be considerably less persistent with bug 246850 if it qualifies for an sru [03:22] Launchpad bug 246850 in libx11 "certain keyboard layouts irreparably broken in hardy; fix already in intrepid" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246850 [03:22] no you won't. [03:22] you'll find another bug to be persistant about. [03:22] Hobbsee: now now ;-) [03:22] not to this degree [03:23] LaserJock: true. but it's obvious :) [03:23] * RAOF goes to ammend that bug. It's title is really misleading. [03:35] !sru [03:35] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [03:35] that i read [03:38] i was reading it. === LucidFox is now known as TSLRPFox [06:01] should I be concerned that the gedit spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "ubuntu"? [06:02] i wondered that myself [06:03] meh, ultimately yet another manifestation of bug 1 [06:03] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 === TSLRPFox is now known as LucidFox [08:58] oh mighty #ubuntu-bugs: Bug #231732 -> 'triaged' please [08:58] Launchpad bug 231732 in xorg "problems with hp dv6700 touchpad on hardy 8.04 32-bit" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/231732 === mcas_away is now known as mcas [09:03] oh mighty Awsoonn: done :) [09:03] * Awsoonn grabs the butter [09:03] thanks thekorn [09:04] thekorn, does it usually take long to be approved / denied for bug control? [09:06] Awsoonn, it depends on the workload of the involved people, [09:06] it is now release/testing time and some conferences, [09:06] so it might take some time [09:06] but usualy within weeks and not years :) [09:07] very cool === mcas is now known as mcas_away [10:14] morning [10:54] What can be statuses for Breezy bugs? ;) [11:16] jpds: you really dont want to unban AMarigot-102-1 [11:17] you are just askiung for problems if you do [11:17] gnomefreak: Couldn't find him/her/it in the bantracker. [11:18] jpds: dont go by bantracker as it has been having problems sicne new bot was active [11:18] around the time seveas left and took ubotu [11:20] gnomefreak: Well, if it goes that far back, I doubt they'll come back soon. :) [11:22] jpds: i hope not he was really really bad every #ubuntu-* channel. trolling for lack of a better word [11:58] bliZZardz: invalid, if they don't occur in later releases [13:36] can someone paste the output of: ls -l /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.info [13:36] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10684 2008-07-04 02:20 /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.info [13:37] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10684 2008-07-03 18:25 /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.info [13:37] thanks [13:37] I wonder why they can't replace the file [13:38] (bug 244093) [13:38] Launchpad bug 244093 in python-apt "Checking security repository in Updates adds deb line to Third-Party Software" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/244093 [13:43] they were probably just not root [13:48] mm true [13:49] cool, I have a greyed out firefox that works! [16:02] Hello, could somebody lend me a hand in triaging bug #242196, I'm suspecting erroneous drivers, any comments? (and yes, I've not done much triaging before) [16:02] Launchpad bug 242196 in ubuntu-meta "Ubuntu will not recognize Cell Phone storage devices to copy files" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242196 [16:14] Ienorand, request dmesg info as well ... since udev doesnt seem to see it its likely a kernel issue [16:32] ogra, Ienorand: upon reading the bug, it's clear that the kernel does see a device [16:33] i have a sneaking suspicion that the device simply isn't in storage mode [16:36] Well, the phone thinks it is connected, thus I thought the error would not lie on that half. [16:36] oh, i misread === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [16:39] but it may be that the phone won't connect properly without its software suite.... by the way, how do you see that the kernel sees a device? [16:40] i misread "the phone will register that it is plugged into the computer" as "the phone will register when it is plugged into the computer" [16:42] ah, right. === hefe_bia_ is now known as hefe_bia === teKnofreak is now known as techno_freak [17:12] w.r.t bug 247916 : how do we ensure that dependant pkgs are always packages together. I stumbled on the same problem reported in this bug. [17:12] Launchpad bug 247916 in gettext "gettext should depend on cvs, not suggest" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247916 [18:25] wow, bug 75611 is hilarious! "Where's the F0 key?" [18:25] Launchpad bug 75611 in tilda "Bad default (None + F1)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75611 [18:26] sn9 : lol [18:26] i can't stop laughing [18:28] or rather, its duplicate, bug 222269 [18:28] Launchpad bug 222269 in tilda "invalid default preferences (dup-of: 75611)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222269 [18:28] Launchpad bug 75611 in tilda "Bad default (None + F1)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75611 [18:46] !ubuntulog [18:46] ubuntulog is a logging bot run on various Ubuntu channels. You can read the logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [18:46] !ubottu [18:46] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-bugs's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [19:45] hi, would somebody kindly set the status for the linux-source-2.6.17 task in this report to 'wont fix' please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/69046 [19:45] Launchpad bug 69046 in linux "Kernel panic at boot time on 64bit generic" [Undecided,Fix released] [19:50] it's not showing Won't Fix as an option [19:51] you need to be a member of ubuntu bug control to set that status;) [19:51] ah [20:04] chrisccoulson, let me have a look at it [20:05] chrisccoulson, wont fix would not be the correct status, would it? [20:05] it would be the correct status for the linux-source-2.6.17 task, as support for Edgy has expired [20:06] as the guy claims the issue is fixed in later releases, I added a linux task and set it to fixed [20:06] chrisccoulson, OK [20:06] done [20:07] I added a blurb explaining why [20:08] thanks for that. much appreciated"! [20:10] welcome === asac_ is now known as asac === mcas_away is now known as mcas [22:09] Can I volunteer to help test #245122? What do I have to do? [22:24] bug 245122 [22:24] Launchpad bug 245122 in nss "libnspr4-0d missing conflicts+replaces libnspr4?" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245122 [22:31] You have to downgrade your version of the upgrades, then attempt the upgrade thru upgrade manager or [22:31] using apt-get update [22:32] This only applies if you use the apps mentioned in the bug report [22:32] I haven't applied the fix yet, so I'm still getting the error, but I'm guessing the main repo hasn't had the fix applied yet [22:34] That sounds right. did you test using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed ? [22:38] Ah, that sounds like the link I've been looking for. I'll check it out and see it helps. Thanks [22:39] No problem. Good luck and thanks for testing [22:41] I thought it was about time I gave some hours back to Ubuntu for all the time it's saved me :-) And it makes a change from programming other projects :-) [22:43] :0 [22:43] :) === mcas is now known as mcas_away [23:33] I think I've got it setup to test buut it turns out there's been a lot happening on the repos recently so still waiting on apt-get to finish that... [23:34] If I understand bug 245122 correctly, the fix is just in the package, so a successful install is a confirmed fix, correct? [23:35] Launchpad bug 245122 in nss "libnspr4-0d missing conflicts+replaces libnspr4?" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245122 [23:38] mad_goldfish: if you upgrade from hardy-updates's version to hardy-proposed's version successfully, yes, that can be considered confirmation of the fix [23:39] hello fellow devels [23:39] another day, another failures of ubuntu. [23:40] how to report general problems like "network stops working" or "slow video playback (all players, xorg and xgl etc" ? [23:40] mad_goldfish: so, for nss, we're considering 1.9-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 -> 3.12.0.3-0ubuntu0.8.04.2, and for nspr, 4.7.1+1.9-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 -> 4.7.1+1.9-0ubuntu0.8.04.3 [23:40] err [23:41] nss: 3.12.0.2+1.9-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 -> 3.12.0.3-0ubuntu0.8.04.2 [23:41] LimCore: you can just file them under Ubuntu, but those symptoms are much too vague to be useful. [23:42] well someone should fix it, unless we want ubuntu to remain a failure [23:43] is there some program like this? i.e. developer concentrates on given bug untill it is fixed? [23:43] LimCore: sure, purchase support from Canonical [23:44] or a vetted reseller of support, I suppose [23:44] then some real developer will concentrate on solving given ubuntu bug? [23:44] with respect to the symptoms that you mentioned, you can help by being more precise. [23:44] (not just some support intern) [23:44] sure I will [23:44] but will they fix it then [23:45] you'll need to contact Canonical in that regard. [23:45] good idea [23:45] I am not a Canonical employee, and I do not intend to misstate their policies. [23:52] Hmm.. That's odd, and slightly worrying, Aptitude wants to uninstall debhelper, samba, gcc and others. I'll have to fix that before I can test the bug. [23:54] mad_goldfish: You didn't remove any repositories, did you? [23:55] No. proposed was already in my repo list so I didn't have to change anything. I think it might be a hangover from a previous install. I'll set them to ignore for now [23:58] charlie-tca, unless the /etc/apt/preferences file broke something [23:58] :-( Install from proposed didn't work. Same error. I'll post t to the bug [23:59] orry to hear that. [23:59] But, each tester helps, I think.