[08:46] <gnomefreak> asac: did you push 3.0.1 to Hardy yet?
[08:57] <gnomefreak> !info nspluginwrapper intrepid
[08:59] <gnomefreak> asac: did we drop nspluginwrapper? its not showing up with apt-cache policy or search in intrepid and as you see bot cant find it either
[10:15] <gnomefreak> bug 247601
[10:54] <gnomefreak> bug 247682
[10:54] <gnomefreak> this tbird bullshit needs to get fixed soon
[10:57] <gnomefreak> cant send damn email to Lp bugs because tbird doesnt make the reply correctly (changes it after hitting reply) not sure if this is just IMAP) can someone please test with tbird 2.0.0.15 and POP3.
[11:04] <gnomefreak> it seems that new nvidia drivers nvidia-glx-173 builds  its own moduless as if you installed from the .run package on nvidia site, and why after building modules does the log in sound play :(
[11:16] <eagles0513875> hey all i was told in other channel
[11:16] <eagles0513875> and told that there was a fix that was going to be released for gnash spawning multiple processes
[11:19] <gnomefreak> asac: i told eagles0513875 to see you before pushing a gnash fix since i saw you and someone else working on it yesterday (friday the 11th)
[11:19] <asac> gnash fix?
[11:19] <eagles0513875> it keeps spawning multiple processes for me bogging down my system
[11:20] <gnomefreak> asac: too many processes are being spawned
[11:20] <asac> whats the fix?
[11:20] <eagles0513875> asac: gnome told me you guys were working on a gnash fix
[11:20] <gnomefreak> damn he is here
[11:20] <asac> eagles0513875: no. we are working on updating it  to 0.8.3
[11:21] <gnomefreak> fix/merge/sometheing else cant remember what the last one in / / / was
[11:21] <eagles0513875> has that been tested for spawning too many processes
[11:22] <eagles0513875> if you would like i can try gnash again
[11:23] <eagles0513875> !gnash
[11:24] <asac> eagles0513875: try the builds that are in gnash PPA
[11:24] <gnomefreak> i need a package to install (any package i dont alreeady have)
[11:24] <eagles0513875> asac: whats the link to the ppa
[11:25] <asac> Launchpad -> Gnash Team -> PPA ;)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> you started a gnash team?
[11:26] <asac> but i never heard of a gnash problem like that
[11:26] <asac> gnomefreak: long time ago ;)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:26] <asac> (with upstream developers)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> oh cool
[11:26] <eagles0513875> asac: i dont know if it might be me being on 64bit hardy
[11:27] <gnomefreak> iirc asac uses 64
[11:27] <gnomefreak> or did
[11:27] <asac> i am using it
[11:28]  * gnomefreak needs a mac
[11:28] <gnomefreak> s/needs/wants
[11:30] <eagles0513875> asac: using what
[11:31] <asac> 1 week ago i upgraded to intrepid
[11:31] <asac> before that hardy
[11:32] <eagles0513875> ahhhh gotcha
[11:32] <eagles0513875> asac: u haveing any issues with gnash and intrepd
[11:32] <asac> eagles0513875: in hardy it worked great
[11:32] <eagles0513875> really
[11:32] <eagles0513875> were u on 32 or 64
[11:32] <asac> eagles0513875: in intrepid it works, except that video is busted
[11:32] <asac> (due to gstreamer)
[11:33] <asac> eagles0513875: like i said above ... 64bit
[11:33] <asac> anyway ... got to run
[11:33] <asac> bl
[11:33] <asac> bbl
[11:33] <eagles0513875> interesting u never had the ff3 issue wher eit spawns multiple processes
[11:35] <gnomefreak> asac: have fun
[11:35] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: me neither
[11:35] <gnomefreak> but im on 32
[11:35] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:36] <gnomefreak> i need a package to install :(
[11:36] <gnomefreak> oh hell ill look when i get back from smoke
[11:36] <eagles0513875> what package
[11:43] <gnomefreak> anyone
[11:44] <gnomefreak> i want to see if Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[11:44] <gnomefreak> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[11:44] <gnomefreak> Processing triggers for menu ...
[11:44] <gnomefreak> is causing login sound to play
[11:49] <eagles0513875> gnash still isnt working for me even klash isnt working
[11:50] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: throw the harddrive out the window and get a new one than it will work ;)
[11:50] <eagles0513875> :P
[11:51] <eagles0513875> is gnash for gnome and klash for kde
[11:51] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:52] <gnomefreak> but as i remember you can use gnash on kde
[11:52] <gnomefreak> i think klash is for konq. and gnash is for gtk
[11:53] <eagles0513875> cuz there is a serious problem with gnash somewhere
[11:53] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: other people seeing this?
[11:53] <eagles0513875> ?
[11:54] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: anyone else having same problems as you with gnash?
[11:54] <eagles0513875> not that i know of
[11:54]  * gnomefreak thinks it a local problem
[11:54] <eagles0513875> care to help me out gnomefreak
[11:54] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: try new profiles ff3or whatever browser you use
[11:55] <eagles0513875> ff3 is default and how do i create a new profile
[11:55] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: u saying rm -rf .firefox
[11:55] <gnomefreak> hold on ill get you the right way to do it
[11:55] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: no
[11:55] <gnomefreak> and you shouldnt have ~/.firefox
[11:56] <gnomefreak> damnit now my LP page moved to the left
[11:56] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: firefox -ProfileManager in terminal
[11:56] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: make a new one and use it to see if it gets fixed
[11:57] <eagles0513875> could it be an issue having ff3 installed and 2
[11:57] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: also how bad is it? runnig top should tell you the cpu and memory useage. is it only when on say youtube or any flash site
[11:58] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: only if you use both
[11:58] <gnomefreak> waswitching back and forth can really mess things up
[11:58] <eagles0513875> there is only one now
[11:58] <gnomefreak> s/waswitching/switching
[11:59] <gnomefreak> but if it already corrupted your profile it will stay that way
[11:59] <eagles0513875> but for instance i go to you tube its not noticing the plugin is installed
[11:59] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: make sure ff3 is using it
[12:00] <eagles0513875> im restarting ff3
[12:03] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: make sure you set update-alternatives to use gnash. im looking for right one but cant find it but its gonna be an xulrunner-1.9-addons or something like that
[12:03] <eagles0513875> how do i do that
[12:03] <gnomefreak> maybe xulrunner-addons-gnash
[12:04] <eagles0513875> i need to install that instead of gnash pkg
[12:04] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: to set all system defaults use sudo update-alternatives --all (i use --all all the time i never use the set one way
[12:04] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: you can try sudo update-alternatives xulrunner-addons-gnash
[12:05] <gnomefreak> sorry
[12:05] <gnomefreak> xulrunner-1.9-addons-gnash
[12:07] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: also look in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ to see if gnash is in there
[12:08] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:08] <gnomefreak> im not using gnash at this time but it will be something like libgnash.so
[12:08] <eagles0513875> its not it says libflash.so
[12:08] <eagles0513875> should i remove libflsh.so
[12:08] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: remove flash before using gnash
[12:09] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:09] <eagles0513875> so any flash related pkgs go
[12:09] <gnomefreak> IIRC there have been problems with having both on system
[12:09] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:09] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: you can remove it from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[12:09] <gnomefreak> than remove flashplugin-nonfree
[12:09] <eagles0513875> already done
[12:10] <eagles0513875> i removed all flash realted stuff except gnash
[12:10] <eagles0513875> now there is nothing in that flder
[12:10] <gnomefreak> than remove gnash with sudo apt-get remove --purge gnash  than run sudo apt-get autoclean than install gnash again
[12:11] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: because you switched between ff2 adn 3 at one time and it installed in firefox-2 plugins dir
[12:11] <eagles0513875> ahhhhhhhhhh gotcha
[12:11] <eagles0513875> should i remove ff2
[12:12] <gnomefreak> install mozilla-plugin-gnash konqueror-plugin-gnash
[12:12] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: you can, i really dont advice using both due to this problem
[12:12] <gnomefreak> i dont have 2 on my system
[12:12] <gnomefreak> if i need it its just a command away
[12:12] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:12] <eagles0513875> going to remove that
[12:13] <eagles0513875> there is still nothing showing up in that plugins folder
[12:13] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: you installed the 2 packages i told you
[12:14] <gnomefreak> maybe remove ff2 from ~/.mozilla/
[12:14] <eagles0513875> i have gnash installed whats the other pkg
[12:14] <gnomefreak> 07:11 <      gnomefreak > install mozilla-plugin-gnash konqueror-plugin-gnash
[12:14] <eagles0513875> ok will do that now
[12:15] <gnomefreak> those are the plugins the gnash package itself is stand alone
[12:15] <gnomefreak> IIRC
[12:15] <eagles0513875> wouldnt it be easier just to include them as dependencies when u install gnash
[12:17] <eagles0513875> im guessing restart ff
[12:18] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: its the other way around
[12:18] <eagles0513875> ?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> installing the plugins installs gnash. for gnash you dont need browser plugins
[12:19] <eagles0513875> ahhhhhhh gotcha
[12:19] <gnomefreak> since it is for downloaded videos not browser ones
[12:19] <eagles0513875> this is for browser ones im talking bout not downloaded ones
[12:20] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: yep i know thats why i told you to install the 2 packages
[12:20] <gnomefreak> when i said gnash i meant the plugins but i should have used the names of them but they would install gnash anywya
[12:20] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[12:20] <eagles0513875> i understand
[12:21] <gnomefreak> that should clean up your gnash problems now
[12:21] <eagles0513875> so i restart the browser now
[12:21] <gnomefreak> yep
[12:21] <gnomefreak> once it starts back up go to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ see if its there
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i get worried when someone running Intrepid asks if upgrade removing a few packages is safe :(
[12:23] <eagles0513875> lol i would be as well
[12:23] <gnomefreak> told him he should be using hardy if he has to ask that
[12:23] <gnomefreak> but looks like he wants me to run him through nvidia set up :(
[12:23] <eagles0513875> then again i dont think he should be on linux cuz what ever the release he will break something
[12:24] <eagles0513875> my browser is locked up right now
[12:24] <eagles0513875> 3 active gnash processes and 3 defunct according to top
[12:24] <eagles0513875> there is a simlink from flashplugin-alternative.so to somewhere else
[12:26] <eagles0513875> :( gnomefreak
[12:26] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: restart pc since you cant drop memor
[12:26] <gnomefreak> memory
[12:26] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:26] <gnomefreak> drop == dump
[12:27] <eagles0513875> i know
[12:29] <gnomefreak> ill be back in a few
[12:58] <gnomefreak> i guess it worked
[13:04] <gnomefreak> bug 210285
[13:04] <gnomefreak> bug 247761
[13:05] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[13:16] <asac> the guy most likely sees crashes because of libflashsupport
[13:21] <gnomefreak> yep
[13:21] <gnomefreak> there are alot of them
[13:21] <gnomefreak> i cant get it to crash here at all
[13:21] <gnomefreak> well i got 1 site to crash
[13:22] <asac> gnomefreak: why did you enable libflashsuport in your backport?
[13:22] <asac> nevermind.
[13:23] <gnomefreak> asac: i was told to
[13:23] <asac> gnomefreak: by whom?
[13:24] <gnomefreak> on the bug report crimson said to backport libflashsupport and he would work on PA for backports
[13:24] <gnomefreak> including Gutsy and Gutsy never had libflashsupport in repos
[13:24] <asac> gnomefreak: so was this uploaded yet or is it a PPA thing right now?
[13:24] <gnomefreak> asac: Hardy was uploaded to backports
[13:25] <gnomefreak> can do anything with gutsy until crimsun gets PA stuff done
[13:26] <gnomefreak> libflashsupport depends on libpulse0
[13:26] <gnomefreak> and that is in package pulseaudio
[13:26] <asac> so now people in hardy get libflashsupport
[13:26] <asac> great
[13:26] <asac> that sucks
[13:26] <gnomefreak> i agree
[13:26] <asac> you shouldnt have done that :(
[13:26] <gnomefreak> i didnt want to but i didnt have much choice
[13:26] <asac> you dont need PA nor libflashsupport in gutsy-backports
[13:27] <gnomefreak> asac: not my choice. since i have to go through bug reports the backporters make the rules i just build and test
[13:27] <gnomefreak> asac: for sound you do
[13:27] <gnomefreak> dont need but PA fixed the sound problems
[13:27] <asac> no you dont. thats stupid. all this problem was introduced in hardy
[13:27] <asac> in gutsy it will work the same way it worked in flash 9
[13:27] <gnomefreak> the one wher eyou cant listen to more than one sound
[13:28] <asac> yes, but thats neglegtabke
[13:28] <asac> we have the same bug in default hardy
[13:28] <gnomefreak> i agree
[13:28] <asac> we should try to fix things in backports
[13:28] <asac> shouldnt
[13:28] <gnomefreak> not anymore in hardy
[13:28] <asac> we intentionally moved libflashsupport away for hardy
[13:28] <gnomefreak> thats kind of the point of backports is to get version upgrade that doesnt meet SRU
[13:29] <asac> gnomefreak: well. version upgrade: yes. fixing other bugs: no.,
[13:29] <gnomefreak> asac: as in PA i guess you mean
[13:29] <gnomefreak> let me see what they think im gonna ask on bug report if we can just push flash10 to gutsy
[13:30] <asac> for hardy we decided that the crashes are worse than having no sonud
[13:30] <gnomefreak> maybe even pull libflashsupport out of Hardy but i highly doubt it
[13:30] <asac> now introducing the crashes to get sound in -backports is a no go
[13:30] <asac> that doesnt make sense
[13:30] <asac> yeah. not your fault
[13:32] <asac> ok, so who acks backports?
[13:32] <asac> who gave green light for this backport in particular?
[13:33] <asac> scottk?
[13:37] <asac> hmm the backports bug is not even documented in "auto backport" changelog ;)
[13:45] <gnomefreak> asac: the upload was done by pitti IIRC and Scottk just acked it since you only have to have 1 tester and from mostof the users that used my PPA packages removed libflashsupport and thier issues were gone
[13:46] <gnomefreak> i just added a very long post to that bug explaining what my thoughts were on this and libflash and asked for ideas on what is best way to handle this
[13:46] <gnomefreak> long as in my wrist hurts now
[13:49] <gnomefreak> be back
[14:09]  * gnomefreak wonders why people run intrepid dont know what they are doing or what is safe and whats not adn want to build the kernel to include a module :(
[14:12] <gnomefreak> asac: btw thunderbird has a few bugs that im seeing and some are causing alot more trouble than its worth :( like using reply doesnt turn everything into a reply and due to that LP kicks back my reply
[14:14] <gnomefreak> i wish i knew if it was IMAP Thunderbird or LP lp says its my gpg key so i fixed that now they say its the way tbird handles reply
[14:15] <asac> gnomefreak: ok thanks
[14:15] <asac> whats the bug id?
[14:16] <gnomefreak> asac: for tbird? there isnt one yet i am gonna test pop3 to see if it fixes things. oh tbird also hangs when closing it and asks to force or wait
[14:16] <asac> no for flash ;)
[14:17] <gnomefreak> oh
[14:17] <gnomefreak> hold on a sec
[14:17] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gutsy-backports/+bug/235135
[14:18] <gnomefreak> it seems LP had an upload yesterday or today
[14:18] <gnomefreak> my homepage shifted to the left and on top
[14:33] <eagles0513875> asac: u around bro
[14:37] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me with a gnash issue
[14:39] <asac> eagles0513875: whats the problem?
[14:39] <eagles0513875> asac: i have gnash installed and its loading the stuff but cant play back anything
[14:40] <asac> video?
[14:40] <eagles0513875> ya
[14:41] <asac> thats not "anything" ;)
[14:41] <eagles0513875> nothings loading
[14:41] <eagles0513875> it knows the plugin is there
[14:41] <asac> how?
[14:42] <asac> is it in about:plugins ?
[14:42] <eagles0513875> it shows up under addons and plugins
[14:42] <asac> well ... is it in about:plugins ;)
[14:42] <eagles0513875> and it shows up there as well
[14:42] <asac> thats the important question
[14:42] <eagles0513875> si
[14:43] <asac> most likely an extension
[14:43] <eagles0513875> ?
[14:43] <asac> disable all extensions ;)
[14:44] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: sry for dragging u into that mess
[14:44] <eagles0513875> ok from addons
[14:45] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: i dont care
[14:45] <gnomefreak> ask asac if its bad habit
[14:46] <asac> huh?
[14:46] <eagles0513875> asac: disabled all extensions
[14:49] <eagles0513875> whats next
[14:50] <gnomefreak> asac: taxbird - The first free Elster client (German Tax Declarations)  is that like turbo tax wher eyou file taxes online?
[14:52] <gnomefreak> nautilus-gksu << could be fun ;)
[14:53] <asac> gnomefreak: is that new?
[14:53] <gnomefreak> not sure ive never seen it before
[14:53] <asac> cool
[14:53] <asac> i need that ;)
[14:53] <asac> lets see how well it works
[14:53] <gnomefreak> Version: 2.0.0-5ubuntu3
[14:54] <gnomefreak> i dont think so but it might be new to our repos
[14:54] <eagles0513875> ok thats interesting
[14:54] <gnomefreak> asac: how hard would it be to kill IMAP from tbird?
[14:54] <eagles0513875> we have a nun in other channel
[14:55] <gnomefreak> hard bad whatever it may be
[14:55] <gnomefreak> nuns are dangerous with rulers :(
[14:55] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:56] <eagles0513875> galathon or something shes a nun
[14:56] <gnomefreak> ok here we go maybe ill hear the login sound and figure out when
[14:56] <gnomefreak> and why
[14:56] <eagles0513875> asac: do i reenable all the extensions now
[14:56] <eagles0513875> plugins i mean
[14:57] <gnomefreak> you can if you want them did you find out what was was causing issues?
[14:57] <eagles0513875> no
[14:57] <eagles0513875> i am starting to lean towards it being something in gnash
[14:57] <gnomefreak> maybe add one at a time test than add another?
[14:57] <eagles0513875> all i have enabled is gnash
[14:58] <eagles0513875> the other 2 disabled
[14:58] <gnomefreak> it most likely is but gnash shouldnt spawn many processes if you are still having that issue
[14:58] <gnomefreak> oh wtf
[14:58]  * gnomefreak leaning towards going postal on kubuntu devs
[14:58] <eagles0513875> its not spawning manyy processes now
[14:59] <eagles0513875> its the playing issue now
[14:59] <gnomefreak> asac: gnash is comparable to what flash release 7?
[15:02] <asac> gnomefreak: no. most of flash 8 and 9 as well
[15:02] <gnomefreak> oh damn
[15:02] <eagles0513875> then why am i having this playback issue
[15:03] <asac> eagles0513875: no idea. i am sure it works. since you had wierd issues in the beginning i guess that its something unrelated
[15:03] <eagles0513875> :(
[15:07] <gnomefreak> thats not good :(
[15:07] <eagles0513875> u read my min
[15:07] <eagles0513875> mind
[15:07] <eagles0513875> thats the last thing i wanna do is haveto pull out my winblows laptop
[15:08] <asac> eagles0513875: i can only tell you to properly restart everything. uninstall extensions or start with a fresh profile ... check if the flashplugin-alternative.so is really setup correctly
[15:09] <eagles0513875> whats it supposed to be sym linked to
[15:09] <eagles0513875> what folder is it supposed to be in
[15:09] <asac> eagles0513875: use update-alternatives program to check where it points to
[15:10] <asac> the alternative is named: xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[15:11] <eagles0513875> seems like konq was set as default and i changed that to firefox
[15:13] <gnomefreak> asac: ah thats what i thought i just couldnt remember if it was right
[15:15] <eagles0513875> /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[15:15] <eagles0513875> /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[15:15] <eagles0513875> i ran locate and this is what it returned
[15:15] <eagles0513875> those correct
[15:21] <asac> eagles0513875: please read what i said ;)
[15:21] <asac> use update-alternatives ;)
[15:21] <eagles0513875> didnt see anything listed there though
[15:22] <asac> sudo update-alternatives --auto xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[15:22] <asac> then
[15:22] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:22] <asac> update-alternatives --list xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[15:22] <asac> and paste the output
[15:22] <eagles0513875> its /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so
[15:23] <asac> after the --auto?
[15:23] <asac> or before?
[15:23] <asac> if its after restart your X server and see if you can play more flash files
[15:23] <eagles0513875> after the auto
[15:23] <eagles0513875> auto didnt bring back anything
[15:24] <asac> restart your X server then
[15:24] <asac> and star twith a fresh profile .... e.g. backup and then remove $HOME/.mozilla
[15:25] <eagles0513875> ok let me finish what im in the middle of really fast
[15:52] <eagles0513875> back
[15:55] <eagles0513875> asac: i id what u said and it still isnt working
[16:08] <asac> eagles0513875: yeah. sorry, have no additional ideas. if you find the cause let us know.
[16:08] <eagles0513875> asac: will do
[16:08] <eagles0513875> when is the next version of gnash coming out
[16:08] <eagles0513875> im wondering if that will fix it
[16:08] <asac> eagles0513875: 0.8.3 is the next ;)
[16:08] <asac> its not gnash
[16:08] <asac> its your setup for sure
[16:08] <eagles0513875> im at some point going to have to do a total reinstall
[16:09] <asac> eagles0513875: a good thing is to not use backports
[16:09] <eagles0513875> im not
[16:09] <eagles0513875> or am i
[16:10] <asac> but you tried flash 10
[16:10] <asac> thats from backport
[16:10] <asac> if not then i mixed things up
[16:11] <eagles0513875> flashplugin non free is multiverse
[16:13] <asac> but not flash 10 ;)
[16:20] <eagles0513875> yes flash 10 in multiverse im looking in adept right now
[16:21] <eagles0513875> im wondering i removed kernel .18 could that be causing the issue
[16:21] <eagles0513875> when i still had that installed i wasnt having it
[16:22] <asac> eagles0513875: flash 10 is only in backports
[16:22] <asac> this means you have backports enabled
[16:22] <asac> which means that the issues are most likely due to that ;)
[16:22] <eagles0513875> doh ok
[16:23] <asac> eagles0513875: not sure about kernel. unlikely i'd say that this changes a thing
[16:23] <eagles0513875> i uninstalled the nonfree plugin btw
[16:23] <asac> yes. but having -backports enabled will pull in other things
[16:24] <asac> anyway i cant tell. if alternative is setup correctly and flash is not disabled in addons->plugins then it works for everyone i heard of
[16:24] <asac> except if there are extensions like flashblock and stuff like that in between
[16:25] <asac> or cruft in the profile. but since you removed this already, there are not many other options left
[16:26] <asac> eagles0513875: try to install swfdec-mozilla
[16:26] <asac> ;)
[16:26] <asac> if that doesnt work either then you are doomed :)
[16:26] <asac> if you are not using firefox 3 you might have other issues as well