[00:04] edge's ui is now odd [00:05] say what? [00:06] launchpad [00:06] read broken [02:02] * Hobbsee grumbles at emma [02:05] Hobbsee: what now? [02:05] she's going and bugging other people to remove the bans i set on her. and all she seems to do is put ":) [02:06] " in channels, every once in a while [02:06] * Hobbsee could write a bot to do that... [02:06] whats emmas full name anyways? [02:06] Haven't we had trouble with emma for a long time now? [02:07] tritium: yup [02:07] it's not Emma Jane Hogbin is it? [02:07] no [02:07] no, that would be emmajane. [02:07] tha'ts emmajane on irc [02:07] ok [02:07] thought so [02:09] it's more hte point where she does progress from dumping smiley faces randomly in channel, gets told off for it, and ends up arguing in here for hours over it that i'm thinking of [02:09] and wondering if it's worth it [02:10] and the probability that it ends up happening like that, vs the probability that she'll actually start doing useful development stuff [02:10] Hobbsee: IMHO we have a lot more problems than someone dumping an occaisional smiley in a channel. Id suggest someone have a private word to her ( I can do that if you like) and see what happens. [02:11] jussi01: other people have already wasted hours in private with her. [02:11] jussi01: but i'm planning to be more strict on -devel anyway. about the fact that it's really not a support channel. [02:12] Hobbsee: Ive talked sometime in private with her - and things got better after I did. [02:12] jussi01: she's one of the few on my "do not contact me, or i'll report you for harassment" list. [02:12] which is even stronger than my ignore list. [02:12] in fact, she's the only one on there, apart from paddy. [02:13] Hobbsee: Ill have a word anyway - is there any other problem apart from the smileys? [02:17] Hmm... [02:17] I forgot I posted that on youtube. [02:17] See Mez do Magic: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KANikzPe1gM [02:19] Mez: that's you? [02:19] tritium, yeah [02:19] cool [02:20] he.. actually - rewatching that video - wasnt a bad attempt after all. [02:20] :) [02:21] tritium, what do you think? [02:21] Mez: excellent! [02:21] haha, one of the most basic tricks I know - but impressive nontheless [02:23] Mez: you are up late [02:23] yp [02:23] mind - me also [02:24] @now helsinki [02:24] jussi01: Current time in Europe/Helsinki: July 12 2008, 04:24:06 - Next meeting: Xubuntu Community in 11 hours 35 minutes [02:24] hehe... I just sorta stayed up a lil [02:24] @now London [02:24] Mez: Current time in Europe/London: July 12 2008, 02:24:14 - Next meeting: Xubuntu Community in 11 hours 35 minutes [02:32] actually, that color change is lame [02:41] jussi01: no, i don't think so [02:41] actually, i'll swap it to a +q, so she'll be able to lurk [05:28] ugh! is there a policy that says I can ban-redirect non-English speaking users into the proper channel? [05:29] Not specifically, but I don't think it would be inappropriate after first asking them to either speak English, or join the channel of their language. [05:30] how about using !es on them for like... 4 times? [05:30] Oh, definitely. [05:30] redirecting them is kind of you [05:31] although it's a bit more complicated than that... [05:31] (as opposed to simply muting or banning) [05:31] Jucato: I've done it before. [07:07] * bazhang goes to check the forums [07:07] bazhang: URL? [07:09] tritium, not found yet [07:10] ok [07:10] suspect it was just trolling [07:10] perhaps [07:11] not a thing about mgs dude or spartans video [07:11] ah [07:12] mgs being metal gear solid and not exactly ubuntu support material :) [08:59] the bot does do !info packagename intrepid right? [09:02] !info pastebinit intrepid [09:02] pastebinit (source: pastebinit): command-line pastebin client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10-1 (intrepid), package size 9 kB, installed size 88 kB [09:06] bazhang: you running intrepid? [09:06] gnomefreak, tempted but not yet :) [09:07] bazhang: ah ok i cant find nspluginwrapper and we have no intent on removing it :( [09:13] http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/nspluginwrapper gnomefreak [09:13] than why doesnt bot know it and apt-cache doesnt know it [09:14] seems the bot is still catching up :) [09:14] bazhang: but apt-cache policy nor apt-cache search see it [09:14] gnomefreak, that is odd. [09:14] why do i feel im going to be merging this [09:15] i need amd64 to test but search should still give it since its in the repos (there is no 64bit repos they are all mixed) [09:16] wish I had an answer [09:19] me too :( [09:19] i wish people would learn to file bugs instead of asking how to fix this in the kenrel :( [09:19] kernel == hardest package in Ubuntu to fix/build [09:21] it worries me that so many newcomers in #ubuntu so blithely want to hack their kernels [09:28] bazhang: yep kernel is not something to screw with if you havent done it many times before [09:28] i dont touch kernels anymore i learned my lesson [09:29] yet so many mess something up and then ask 'fix it for me!' [09:29] cf yao_ziyuan yesterday [10:41] nomnom [13:22] anyone know if you have to run compiz to use avant-window-navigator? [13:23] you need to run ... hold on, forgot the word [13:24] DA THING no... [13:24] composite atleast [13:24] might be compiz too [13:33] hello, auditing will start now at 6:02PM IST (non-freenode) time every conversation will be loged and displayed on public boards for auditing thankyou [13:34] a-ha [13:34] well this conversation is logged anyway [13:36] dmseg: ?? [13:39] ping PriceChild [13:41] !logs [13:41] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [13:41] have fun, dmesg [13:42] elkbuntu: ohh thankx sorry to barge in like this but this has to be done ill chek out the logs (do you have anything you want to improve in #ubuntu-ops) PriceChild: are you available to talk about the IRC team thing [13:42] elkbuntu: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79218/ ;) [13:43] I don't quite get the meaning of this [13:43] dennda, nor do i. [13:43] @btlogin [13:43] neither do I [13:44] * Mez is confused [13:44] dmseg, you're not adding any value to this channel, and you're only here to stir trouble. none of us appreciate this and hence i advise you move along. [13:44] I don't get the whole purpose of this? [13:44] Myrtti, he's trying to scare us [13:45] well that I know [13:45] huh audit! ill see the logs thankyou very rude i must say [13:45] dmseg, please see /msg [13:45] dmseg, yes, you are being quite rude. [13:46] logs will tell me i got that [13:46] dmseg: the channel is logged. [13:46] oh noes, I'm getting wrinkles to my forehead for raising my eyebrows so strongly [13:46] thanks Myrtti [13:47] kk [13:47] * Mez headdesks. [13:47] * Mez pms dmesg to find out whats going on [13:47] * Myrtti hands Mez a pillow [13:47] gnomefreak: if you've got time I wanted to blast a short document across for an opinion [13:47] as in - I don't want you to look at it now, just when you've got a minute [13:47] i will see the logs thankyou done heh i dont get whats the confussion [13:48] dmseg: what are you talking about auditing this channel ? [13:48] ikonia: pm me the link i will look at it when i come back going to get a drink and smoke [13:48] dmseg: and why does this "have to be done" ? [13:48] what is wrong with this channel? [13:48] gnomefreak: perfect, no rush, just a second set of eyes, mapped out multi-lib and wanted an opinion if I've broke anything/missed anything, I ask you because I've bored you with this before [13:49] sorry i will leave you will be pmed with public response [13:49] ikonia: i never get bored [13:49] dmseg: Bye. [13:49] thankyou [13:49] be back in a few [13:49] gnomefreak: thanks [13:50] np [13:50] dmseg: where will you be making these logs public to? [13:50] heh no only support/abuse/bans/kicks will be show all else is useless to me [13:51] well, seeing as none of the above is happening, i can't see your reason for staying. [13:52] I was under the impression he was on his way out anyway. [13:52] * Myrtti retreats in orderly fashion [13:52] Hobbsee: i might consider this but logs will tell thankyou all great job you guys do a great job here very well [13:53] someone care to explain to me wtf that's all about - seeing as he doesnt seem to want to via /msg [13:54] Mez: I think we all are equally boggled [13:54] Apparently spybots became human after all [13:54] PriceChild has explained why he has been removed from ops team in launchpad [13:54] (They still have some glitches, though) [13:54] dennda: well, that was known [13:54] Mez: I believe pricechild rejected his applicaton for ubuntu-irc on launchpad and he's not too happy about it [13:54] but it still doesn't explain that behaviour totally [13:55] Myrtti, was he ever in ops team? [13:55] probably logging the channel to find fault with existing people to make his case that $X said this so they should not be allowed either [13:55] s/ops/irc/ [13:55] Mez: tbh, I dunno [13:55] Myrtti: most things like that can be accounted as bitterness [13:55] Hobbsee: true [13:56] he's quit the network now too... [13:56] And I just seriously got a headache for frowning so much [13:56] hmm - who has power to edit the ubuntu-irc team anyways? [13:56] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc/ - wrong link to bantracker [13:57] council I think [13:57] yeah, the council [13:58] * Mez is still totally confused by dmseg [13:58] * wgrant adds some further confusion. [13:59] hmmm.. does LjL fall under " We reserve the right to remove idlers from the channel " :P [13:59] Mez: LOL [14:01] hmmm I want licorice fudge [14:01] just dont have liquorice schnapps... horrible stuff [14:01] (and yet I still drank a load on Monday) [14:01] Mez: oh, we've got lot more horrible stuff here [14:02] AHA! [14:02] now I know what to bring as a "Greets from Finland" gift :-D [14:03] ? [14:03] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmiakki_Koskenkorva [14:04] sounds like a sausage gun (salami kalashnikov) [14:04] ooooh [14:04] that sounds extremely good :-) [14:05] * Nafallo knowing what Koskenkorva actually is and all... ;-) [14:05] you like the idea of a sausage gun Nafallo ? [14:06] Mez: no. Salmiakki Koskenkorva [14:06] oh the days when being a student meant you could get a salmari shot with 1.6€ [14:06] and the morning afters with your socks sticking on the floor [14:09] ikonia: ok im back [14:10] gnomefreak: just getting stuff together [14:10] ikonia: ok ill be around for a little while to clean up from yesterday that i didnt finish [14:10] cool [14:10] I'll nudge over the link, just look when you have time, it's not urgent and I've spotted some errors already [14:11] ok [14:18] dmesg was back... [14:18] ok next time he returns, if I'm not here again, someone else feel free to deal with him. [14:18] See https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc [14:18] Specifically "The IRC Council accepts new members to this group after observing the sustained positive contribution of an operator in one or more Ubuntu channels." [14:19] PriceChild, care to explain to us what it's all about? [14:19] ie if they're not an op, or are an op in an obscure channel and the ircc doesn't participate there, then they can't satisfy that criteria [14:21] when this person applying is someone i've never heard of, (ie not someone active in channels i'm in despite not being an op/doesn't list a nick on launchpad) I will usually decline the application straight-off. [14:22] PriceChild: is he in any channels ? [14:22] /whois says he isn't online [14:22] I mean in general [14:23] has he said he's a regular in $X channel ? [14:23] Uuu edge has tidied up a bit. [14:23] I've never seen him, hence the ask [14:23] I have absolutely no idea. [14:24] In #ubuntu, ere4si said: !iso |kcman - this is it [14:24] PriceChild: do you know what this auditing stuff he's on about is all about ? [14:25] I would guess he thinks its a good idea he informs channels via a script that he keeps full logs of channels he enters which may end up on the net. [14:26] all seemed a bit random [14:27] thats a bad idea [14:36] I looked soooo wrong with purple hair [14:37] http://files.sourceguru.net/pics/2003_1029_214548AA.sized.jpg [14:59] nomnom waffles [15:31] ikonia: ... [15:31] I know I know [15:31] tab [15:32] sorry [15:32] ikonia: :P [15:32] ? [15:32] Mez: nothing ping in #u [15:32] :P [15:33] jussi01: we know how much you like time wasting pings [15:33] * jussi01 gets out his chomping machhine... [15:33] ha [15:36] * Hobbsee feeds ikonia to the Green Monster Of Doom. [15:36] how does that relate to the stick ? [15:37] Hobbsee: not to Australian dingos? [15:37] or Tasmanian devils? [15:37] nah...they have enough to eat [15:43] argh [15:44] why can I get the xine plugin for mozilla to fuilscreen grr [15:44] ikonia: the Green Monster Of Doom minds the stick, in conjunction with the Orange, Pink, Yellow, Blue and Purple Monsters of Doom, while i'm asleep. [15:45] and you can never get it off them [15:45] interesting [15:45] * Hobbsee notes the orange one is getting scrawny [15:45] * Hobbsee feeds Myrtti to the Orange Monster Of Doom. [15:51] thanks. I've always liked sunflowers. [15:55] just a thought - it might just be that I will *not* be wearing pink at LRL [15:55] blasphemy, I know. [15:58] :O [15:58] purple? [15:58] green, black and blue [15:58] though my jacket is pink... [15:59] no purple ? [15:59] (COSS.fi shirt is green, Nomovok shirt is black and GNOME shirt is blue) [15:59] :( [15:59] I don't think I've got anything purple akshully [15:59] until you steal my KDE shirt that is :P [15:59] (thought thats blue) [15:59] ych KDE [16:00] :-Å [16:00] you should get yourself a PHPWomen Tshirt :D [16:00] :-P * [16:00] oooooohhh [16:00] they're a lovely purple [16:30] time to start and get wasted, tatah. [16:43] fri13 in #ubuntu [16:46] whats up ? [16:46] he's claiming that ubuntu cannot connect to open wifi networks [16:46] how odd, I was on there yesterday [16:47] as in an open access point [16:47] I've done it countless times. [16:47] yes [16:47] and my one at home doesn't use any encyption, so that could be "open" classed [16:47] there was a bug in gnome with a specific intel driver though [16:47] you had to do a work around [16:47] that was in 7.10 I think [16:47] seen no sign of it in 8.04 [16:47] said he is writing an article, but it turns out he was just sniffing packets (he has left) [16:48] ah [16:48] there was an issue in 7.10 where gnome said it had set the card to no-encyption, but it hadn't, you had to iwconfig it to disable it [16:48] but that was only with a specific intel driver [16:49] he said that network manager in 8.04 simply could not connect. [16:49] demonstrably false statement. [16:50] not seen it in 8.04, but there was elements of truth in that for 7.10 [16:50] I have an intel card and never seen that. [16:51] in any version of ubuntu from dapper onwards. [16:51] maybe he was really running hoary :) [16:51] it was only specific models, and only through gnome - the actual issue wasn't with the card or the wirless tools, just gnome not actually setting it [16:52] hmm that is odd. [16:52] but he claimed it for hardy heron. [16:52] not seen a sniff of it in 8, although there could be an element of truth in there, but the work around is easy [16:54] majortool is going to be an issue [16:54] as is sebnaitses in ot [16:54] ...or not [16:58] banned from Ubuntu for stupid reasons, and I came there origianlly to see if I could help someone. [16:58] SebNaitsabes, how may we assist you [16:58] SebNaitsabes> !ubottu bazhangidiot [16:58] bazhang your not a mod are you? [16:59] SebNaitsabes: everyone in here with +v is an operator [16:59] I can't see if that's you [16:59] SebNaitsabes, you were repeatedly asked to cease being offtopic [16:59] are you a mod or not? [17:00] if so that would make me the idiot :d [17:01] SebNaitsabes, I let the convo with you and xerxes go on a long time [17:01] in #ubuntu irssi is giving me pain due to "channel not in sync" [17:01] SebNaitsabes: bazhang is an operator in #ubuntu [17:01] SebNaitsabes, and then you came back and started again and were asked to stop. [17:01] then went off topic on something else yes [17:02] SebNaitsabes, then you sent some bot commands to myself and ikonia that were not appropriate and further offtopic. [17:02] ,but yes seems I am the idiot for calling a mod an idiot [17:02] sorry about that [17:03] yes, because it seems go slighty offtopic and all that stuff about being off topic and it's annoying [17:03] there is an ot channel for that SebNaitsabes ; #ubuntu is a very busy channel. [17:03] yeah I am in there to [17:03] SebNaitsabes, you were asked politely to refrain. [17:04] SebNaitsabes, which you then ignored, and sent jokey bot commands. [17:04] take #Windows or a channel like that, and people go off topic loads and it dosan't really matter there it seems [17:04] SebNaitsabes, this is not ##windows or other channel. [17:04] yes [17:04] ,but why is Ubuntu so strict? [17:04] SebNaitsabes: we have rules for a reason - its up to you to follow them or not be there. [17:04] ,because it's a very busy channel? [17:05] SebNaitsabes, first of all it is a very busy channel. [17:05] and? [17:05] SebNaitsabes, you really want to drag this out? [17:06] SebNaitsabes, ie you feel you were somehow wronged? [17:06] yes people going off topic can be annoying in a channel. peopel flooding the channel also [17:06] SebNaitsabes, there are channel rules. [17:06] SebNaitsabes, that you chose to ignore. [17:07] how long does a bann last? assuming a mod does not just unbann [17:08] @btlogin [17:08] well that depends [17:08] * ompaul lagggggggs [17:08] so much it is silly [17:08] !guidelines | SebNaitsabes read this [17:08] SebNaitsabes read this: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [17:09] !coc | SebNaitsabes and this [17:09] SebNaitsabes and this: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [17:10] SebNaitsabes, please read those and let us know when you understand them, and why you were banned. [17:10] over a thousand people in the channel at the same time [17:10] SebNaitsabes, and? [17:10] and many people I think just leave there comps in the channel and are not really there [17:10] so [17:11] is this going somewhere? [17:11] please read those urls [17:11] then consult with the ops in question [17:11] btw please part in the interim [17:11] The operators of the channel do lots of work to keep the channel friendly and to keep people happy. and tend to do a good job of that it seems, resulting in me being banned from it today though [17:12] SebNaitsabes, please read those urls and part until you have read them thanks [17:15] yeah fair enough I got banned [17:19] icqnumber called the ops in #ubuntu () [17:20] taken care of [17:20] SebNaitsabes: just because bazhang is an operator, does not mean he is right, nor that he deserves more respect of better treatment than anyone else in that channel. [17:20] agreed [17:20] however on this one he was right [17:22] wonders why Icqnumber called the ops [17:22] * nickrud has a hard time understanding how bazhang could be wrong. ompaul, on the other hand ... [17:23] SebNaitsabes, you have read those links? [17:23] yes [17:23] SebNaitsabes, and you understand why you were banned? [17:23] yes [17:23] SebNaitsabes, the reason being? [17:23] ,because I broke the rules [17:24] and made a newsance of myself as a result [17:24] SebNaitsabes, I am willing to revisit this in 24 hrs time [17:24] meaning I am banned for 24 hours? [17:25] SebNaitsabes, would you come here tomorrow to talk about it? [17:25] maybe [17:25] or probably depends [17:26] banned for 24 hours hummmmmmmmmm that's pretty strict, and over little things to [17:26] SebNaitsabes, that is a very minimum; it can be longer if you wish. [17:27] no thanks :D I think i'll take the 24 hours then [17:27] SebNaitsabes, best to part now and we can chat again tomorrow. [17:27] SebNaitsabes, give us a shout at that point - have a good day [17:28] part [17:28] well [17:28] just this channel? [17:28] yeap [17:28] SebNaitsabes, yes [17:28] ok not offtopic and kubuntu then [17:29] no [17:29] just be aware that bans in one channel are not topic of conversation in others [17:29] no? [17:29] ,but sure you guy are probalby in offtopic to [17:29] you guys [17:30] we are [17:30] exactly [17:30] but we don't talk about other channel bans [17:30] you are removed from one channel; [17:30] we can assist you if your requirement is to be removed from others [17:30] and I could get banned from offtopic if I was to mention it there, that's what your saying? [17:30] however I doubt that :) [17:31] yes that would certainly happen [17:31] ok [17:31] well bye then [17:31] give us a yell tomorrow [17:31] cheers [17:35] Neo_The_User (n=neo@c-24-12-190-159.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #ubuntu [17:36] is that the neoguy that was a banned from about 10 channels the other day ? [17:36] yup [17:36] ikonia, the network dropped lots of [17:37] history [17:37] I banned in #ubuntu [17:37] I just took out anything beofer the network [17:37] seems he is ban-evading again. [17:37] no [17:37] oh okay. [17:37] unless you banned by name [17:37] I only take out IP [17:37] both name and ip [17:37] if real name I never thouch [17:37] touch [17:38] * ompaul plods back though his records [17:38] * ompaul removes ban on *!*@c-24-12-190-159.hsd1.il.comcast.net [17:38] 8 something this morning [17:38] that is the ban that was set [17:38] aha [17:38] if it had been anything else [17:39] it would not have been removed [17:39] he was ban-evading sometime ago (like 8 times) [17:39] I really don't go near user(any wild card)@* [17:39] unless they turn up here [17:39] though that was I was using Konversation [17:40] you experimenter you :) [17:40] haha [17:40] check your logs [17:40] got most of canada iirc :) [17:40] lovely [17:40] you blaming canada again? [17:40] hehe [17:40] always. [21:40] jordan called the ops in #ubuntu () [21:41] nickrud: ?? [21:41] ? [21:41] nothing is wrong with ubottu [21:41] doh, I'm brian dead (as well as brain dead) I meant why didn't floodbots catch thtat [21:42] There are only 2 of them online, so they are in emergency mode. [21:42] There are only two bots online me thinls [21:43] so when do they get hooked up with more than one or two people that can poke them? [21:47] nickrud: I've started one up which I think is ok for me to do... [21:47] y1215895651 20080712T214731 < ~evga> geek girl needs love pvt me ^^ [21:47] heh, if you can't who can ;) [21:48] nickrud, I was running one... but basically told not to bother anymore... so I didnt start one when I noticed it gone earlier [21:49] Mez: nobody said that :( [21:54] idiot [21:54] yeah, but it woulda been fun ;( [21:55] ... [21:55] and now another bot has gone [21:55] I killed it. [21:56] murderer