[00:04] <tolun> Hi guys...
[00:05] <tolun> I want to know that how can I install egd on ubuntu server...
[01:48] <CppIsWeird> i cant find the package libapache-mod-dav? apt-cache search returns nothing, as well as searchs for apache-mod and apache2-mod, none of which return a dav module
[02:47] <darthanubis> whats the difference in the "generic" and "server" kernels?
[02:51] <jetole> can anyone recommend a good method for syslog from windows to syslog-ng, lots of methods mentioned on the net, basically want to know what any of you use that works
[03:41] <HellMind> Hello, which is the cmd to configure modules? (I want to load a mod for my nic)
[03:42] <HellMind> And I need a tool like prime95 to stress the cpu
[03:49] <hads> I've no idea what prime95 is but you could try cpuburn which is a package in universe.
[03:58] <nijaba> HellMind: modprobe is a usefull comand for modules
[04:00] <HellMind> primeworks
[04:00] <HellMind> i will try cpuburn
[04:00] <HellMind> but i dont know the name of the module :(
[04:01] <nijaba> darthanubis: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/kernel should give you a good idea
[04:01] <HellMind> then i should do insmod -i
[04:03] <nijaba> HellMind: mmh if you do not know the module, and it is not loaded automatically, you may have to do so search on the net to find it out in the first place
[04:03] <nijaba> HellMind: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/search.html might help filtering your search
[04:04] <kirkland> nijaba: light night?
[04:04] <kirkland> nijaba: or early morning?
[04:04] <nijaba> kirkland: preparing for jetlag
[04:04] <kirkland> nijaba: ah, you must have traveled over the pond before :-)
[04:05] <nijaba> kirkland: a few hundred times I think
[04:05] <kirkland> nijaba: :-P
[04:05] <nijaba> err...  no, more like below a hundred
[04:05] <nijaba> but by not much
[04:06] <nijaba> funny how you get highlighted when I point someone to your search engine
[04:09] <kirkland> nijaba: thanks for the advertisement ;-)
[04:09] <nijaba> :)
[04:09] <kirkland> nijaba: i point a lot of newbies to it
[04:09] <kirkland> nijaba: and, actually developers too
[04:10] <kirkland> nijaba: newz2000 still hasn't turned on search.ubuntu.com, sadly
[04:10] <nijaba> it is very useful
[04:10] <kirkland> nijaba: you mess with the manpage repo any?
[04:10] <nijaba> kirkland: we have to accept that things take time
[04:10] <kirkland> nijaba: i use that one allday, everyday
[04:10] <sommer> hey all
[04:11] <nijaba> kirkland: not yet, haven't had time to look at the access details :(
[04:11] <nijaba> hey sommer
[04:11] <kirkland> nijaba: it's just ubuntu.dustinkirkland.com
[04:11] <kirkland> sommer: howdy
[04:11] <sommer> nijaba kirkland yo... anyone know about doc.u.c?
[04:11] <nijaba> kirkland: thanks, bookmarked.  I'll drop comments if I have any
[04:11] <kirkland> nijaba: thanks
[04:11] <nijaba> sommer: know what?
[04:12] <kirkland> sommer: never seen it before
[04:12] <sommer> mdke hasn't been around for awhile, and the site is dated... at least the serverguide
[04:12] <nijaba> hmm really?
[04:12] <nijaba> we should talk with elmo about that
[04:12] <kirkland> sommer: have you raised it on the doc mailing list?
[04:12] <sommer> ya, and there's some good samba stuff in there
[04:13] <sommer> kirkland: nope... was kind of waiting to see if he'd show up
[04:13] <kirkland> sommer: ah
[04:13] <sommer> I know he's updated it in the past
[04:13] <kirkland> sommer: yeah, it's funny how little traffic there is in #ubuntu-doc
[04:14] <sommer> kirkland: it picks up closer to release time
[04:14] <nijaba> ok, past 11pm in Boston, I can go to bed :)
[04:14] <kirkland> nijaba: see ya Sunday
[04:15] <sommer> later on nijaba
[04:16] <nijaba> kirkland: definitely.  I may be around tomorrow with some fun at finishing my limesurvey package.  emmet did raise a few issue.  As you will soon know, the first one it tough.
[04:16] <nijaba> *is
[04:16] <kirkland> brb, grabbing 'nother beer ;-)
[04:16]  * sommer has a great italian wine :)
[04:16]  * sommer dolcetto... yay!
[04:17]  * nijaba has a lot of french wine but drinks coke
[04:17]  * hads continues recovering from last night
[04:17] <sommer> party!
[04:17] <emgent> hello there :)
[04:17] <kirkland> emgent: howdy!
[04:17] <nijaba> emgent: hello! congratulations !
[04:17] <kirkland> sommer: super tuscan?
[04:18] <kirkland> emgent: i see you like folk music?
[04:18] <sommer> kirkland: not sure where exactly, but it's good
[04:18] <emgent> kirkland: sure.
[04:18]  * kirkland pours himself a heffeweizen
[04:18] <emgent> nijaba: thanks :)
[04:18] <sommer> that's a good one
[04:18] <emgent> kirkland: do you know "Modena City Remblers" ?
[04:18] <kirkland> emgent: a close friend of mine is a folk musician in Tuscany
[04:18] <kirkland> emgent: I don't...
[04:18] <nijaba> ok, call of the hay...  good whatever guys!
[04:19] <emgent> argh :)
[04:19] <kirkland> emgent: i'll have to check them out
[04:20] <emgent> kirkland: http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=SqJIb3_4P0Q
[04:21] <kirkland> emgent: Irish Italian?
[04:21] <kirkland> emgent: http://www.vanessapeters.com/ontheroad.html  <- those are my friends
[04:21] <emgent> yeah
[04:22] <emgent> kirkland: http://www.ramblers.it/home/home_1.asp?idpag=17&lang=eng
[04:23] <kirkland> emgent: good stuff ;-)
[04:23] <emgent> hehehe :)
[04:23] <emgent> someone use moinmoin ?
[04:32] <emgent> kirkland: when you come back in italy mail me :)
[04:32] <kirkland> emgent: will do!
[04:32] <kirkland> emgent: i spent 2 weeks there, last year
[04:34] <emgent> :)
[04:34] <emgent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orvieto
[04:36] <kirkland> emgent: is that where you live?
[04:36] <emgent> sure
[04:36] <kirkland> emgent: cool
[04:37] <kirkland> emgent: we spent a week in Castiglion Fiorentio, near Arezzo
[04:37] <emgent> http://www.ou.edu/ccac/images/orvieto.jpg
[04:37] <emgent> oh cool
[04:37] <emgent> 1 hour by car :P
[04:39] <kirkland> emgent: Assisi is in Umbria, right?
[04:40] <emgent> yes
[04:44] <emgent> kirkland: but it`s a clerical city..
[04:44] <emgent> orvieto too :(
[04:45] <kirkland> emgent: "clerical"?  you mean, "religious"?
[04:45] <emgent> yeah
[04:45] <kirkland> ah, right
[04:45] <kirkland> well, we enjoyed it for what it was worth
[04:45] <kirkland> very medieval too
[04:46] <kirkland> my wife and i enjoy little old italian cities, inside the ancient walls and such
[04:46] <helfire> is there a RAID option that is not mirroring but just paridy so I dont need to have 2x the disk space for mirroring?
[04:46] <emgent> yes it`s true, but in italy  Vatican > *, and it`snt good.
[04:47] <kirkland> helfire: are you looking for RAID5?
[04:48] <helfire> i belive so, is that a viable option for LVM+mdadm+RAID5?
[04:48] <kirkland> helfire: i think you're mixing up your terms
[04:48] <kirkland> helfire: you can certainly run an LVM on top of a RAID5
[04:49] <kirkland> mdadm is just a command line tool used to administer RAIDs
[04:49] <kirkland> and yes, mdadm supports RAID5
[04:49] <helfire> oh i thought mdadm was a software raid utility
[04:49] <kirkland> helfire: well, it is a command line utility for setting up a software raid, yes
[04:50] <kirkland> helfire: the linux kernel handles the low level details of the raid devices though
[04:50] <helfire> so i'd add physical disks to a software raid5 set, then create a LVM on top of it?
[04:50] <kirkland> helfire: yup
[04:50] <kirkland> helfire: and if you want to understand the different raid levels, make yourself a pot of tea and read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
[04:50] <helfire> is expanding and failing as easy with RAID5 as RAID1?
[04:51] <helfire> i've been reading tutorials on lvm+raid, but they all focus on raid1
[04:51] <kirkland> helfire: mostly, yes
[04:51] <kirkland> helfire: there's one kick, though, i'd say with raid5
[04:51] <kirkland> with raid1, at any time, you can take one of your hard drives and go play elsewhere
[04:52] <kirkland> helfire: ie, you can take it out of one computer and put it somewhere else and have all your data
[04:52] <kirkland> helfire: with raid5, you have to have at least 3 disks to start with
[04:52] <kirkland> helfire: and any one of your disks only contains a subset of the total data
[04:52] <kirkland> helfire: so no single disk itself has all of your data
[04:53] <kirkland> helfire: i have a 4 disk RAID 5....  it has 4 x 500GB drives
[04:53] <kirkland> helfire: for a total of about 1.5 TB of space
[04:53] <kirkland> a full disk is lost to parity
[04:53] <kirkland> but with RAID5, that parity is striped across all 4 disks
[04:54] <kirkland> helfire: I can lose any 1 of the 4 disks, without losing data
[04:54] <kirkland> helfire: I cannot lose 2 disks, though
[04:54] <hads> You aren't required to do LVM with RAID either, unless you want to.
[04:54] <helfire> ya, i want to maximize space with the ability to expand (LVM)
[04:54] <helfire> and the ability to repair if needed
[04:54] <kirkland> helfire: well, technically, RAID5 is expandible now too
[04:55] <hads> You can expand a RAID5 array
[04:55] <helfire> oh interesting
[04:55] <kirkland> lvm has been able to do that for a long time
[04:55] <kirkland> but somewhere around 2.6.20 (???) roughly, it became possible to expand raid5
[04:55] <hads> So if that's the only reason you want LVM it may not be nessecary (although you may want it for other reasons).
[04:56] <hads> kirkland: Sounds about the right timeline to me
[04:56] <helfire> could i have raid5 with say 2x250GB, 2x500gb and then add maybe 2x1TB
[04:56] <kirkland> hads: i know it was just after RHEL5, which was 2.6.18
[04:56] <helfire> see i keep buying big HD's when they're cheap but my files are just all over, i want one file server with a huge repository
[04:57] <kirkland> helfire: you sound like a classic case for a raid5 ;-)
[04:57] <helfire> it doesnt matter that they're a bunch of different sizes? I can just keep extending?
[04:58] <kirkland> helfire: now you cannot do that
[04:58] <hads> RAID5 is designed for same size disks
[04:58] <kirkland> helfire: with raid5, you have to have identically sized disks
[04:58] <helfire> ahh
[04:58] <helfire> but i could get around that with making say 500GB LVM "partitions"
[04:58] <kirkland> helfire: or, rather, if you have a 300, 400, 500, 600 G disks, you'd have 4 x 300G raid5 devices
[04:59] <helfire> i'm confusing myself on what is the lowest layer RAID or LVM
[05:00] <kirkland> helfire: you'd put RAID below LVM
[05:00] <kirkland> helfire: the stack looks something like this....
[05:00] <kirkland> helfire: disks are /dev/hda, /dev/hdb, /dev/sda, /dev/sdb
[05:01] <kirkland> helfire: you'd partition a disk into partitions, /dev/hda1, /dev/hdb1, /dev/hdc1
[05:01] <kirkland> helfire: you'd mark those partitions as type 0xfd, which is Linux software raid
[05:02] <kirkland> helfire: you'd construct a raid device, /dev/md0, out of a set of raid partitions, say /dev/sd[a-d]1
[05:02] <kirkland> helfire: you could then format /dev/md0 as a filesystem itself
[05:02] <kirkland> helfire: or use that as a physical volume for lvm
[05:03] <helfire> hmm i see
[05:04] <kirkland> helfire: good luck, i'm signing off
[05:04] <helfire> alright, thanks for the info
[05:12] <runes> will adduser.conf run bash commands?
[05:16] <helfire> could try to put a command in there like `touch /tmp/itworks`
[05:16] <helfire> but man adduser.conf says it just reads in variables, but it does look very similar to bash
[05:19] <runes> ok.  The challenge is that I am trying to figure out how to get adduser to create an sql user account at the same time it creted the linux account
[05:19] <runes> created=creates
[05:20] <runes> so I'm not sure where to put the commands to get it to run them or how to get it to call an external bash script
[05:21] <runes> it's a pita to have to first create the user then go into mysql create the user there then create the mail user...
[05:28] <hads> Why not a wrapper around adduser
[05:33] <runes> hads can you explain?
[05:35] <runes> I'm still quite new at linux
[05:35] <runes> But I ahve no problem looking things up
[05:36] <helfire> make your own shell script that calls both adduser and the mysql command to add a user
[05:36] <runes> ok I was thinkign that i twas goign to be something like that
[05:37] <runes> I guess the good thing about creating the bash script is that I can reuse it for multiple account creations
[05:38] <runes> thanx helfire
[05:38] <helfire> ya, you can add as much initial setup as you want to it
[05:38] <runes> perfect
[05:38] <helfire> when i was managing users, i had a 700 line perl script to do everything for me
[05:41] <runes> You knwo I started using ubuntu a year ago...the last few months I started to take the learning more seriously and have figured out virtual hosting a bit of php and some MySQL but in truth the most important things like how to create backups, shell scripting etc I overlooked.. so now I'm forcing myself to use shell commands
[05:41] <runes> it reminds me of the old dos days only a lot more exciting
[05:42] <helfire> you can do anything with shell scripts, I couldnt live without em
[05:43] <runes> the one thing I really don't understand is why there isin't an advanced backup utility for linux
[05:43] <runes> yes I know tar is the usual way to do things and from what I am reading to create nfs shares to dump to
[05:44] <runes> but soem kind of util-tool with compression and encryption.
[05:44] <helfire> rsync?
[05:44] <runes> oops....ok so there is one
[05:45] <helfire> well it's simple to use something like rsync and other commands together to get compression and encryption etc that there's no reason to build a new utility
[05:45] <runes> well back to the man pages I go
[05:46] <helfire> the simplest just thinking off the top of my head todo remote backups would make a ssh tunnel from one server to the other and rsync over that, it'd give you compression over the network and encryption
[05:47] <helfire> someone probably has thought of better ways, google i'm sure would come up with some good examples
[05:49] <runes> one of the ways they mentioned is to tar the files and place them on a nfs mount (usually pointing to some kind of external drive tape or raid array)
[05:49] <runes> but that makes me think of someone using winrar to back up a windows server only translated to linux
[05:49] <helfire> ya
[05:50] <runes> now in linux do you have to worry about locked files when you back them up
[05:51] <helfire> maybe if your backing up like the active system partition, but if it's just user data I dont worry too much
[05:51] <hads> rsync supports ssh natively
[05:52] <runes> so at least I can run it through a remote session
[05:52] <helfire> see, i havent used rsync forever, my backup needs are so tiny i just do a full tar each time :)
[05:53] <runes> for me it would be mainly for the /home  /etc and  mysql files
[05:53] <hads> helfire: rsync foo host:/home/foo/
[05:54] <runes> helfire, and the tar grabs everything? Including the boot sector?
[05:55] <helfire> no
[05:55] <helfire> tar i belive only can grab filesystem files
[05:55] <runes> ok
[05:55] <helfire> like tar cvzf home.bak.tgz /home
[05:56] <helfire> would create a compressed file of home
[05:57] <helfire> bedtime, i might wake up and try for an iphone tomorrow haha
[06:00] <runes> bah I'd wait have a good night!
[08:20] <warchief_ryan> doesn't samba use both CIFS and SMB? i'm confused  when there referred to separately as if you can choose to use one or the other with samba...
[09:33] <chmac> Is there an equivalent of ssh-add I can use in a terminal?
[09:34] <chmac> Or rather ssh-agent as ssh-add complains that it can't reach ssh-agent
[09:36] <_ruben> ssh-agent and ssh-add can be used just fine in a terminal
[09:41] <chmac> _ruben: I was missing the eval $(ssh-add -s) part :)
[09:41] <_ruben> ah :)
[11:57] <ctx144k> hello all
[11:58] <ctx144k> i need an easy mail-server for sending inform,ationmails to an admin-email-adress, and sending cron-nmessages localy
[12:26] <nijaba> ctx144k: what's easy?  to install?
[12:26] <ctx144k> yes..
[12:26] <ctx144k> i configured postfix. but... i have a problem with it
[12:27] <ctx144k> if i say ion /etc/mailname a really domain mails to foobar@lingox.de are comming in, but mails to locally adresses (from cron and so on) doesent doesent come in
[12:27] <nijaba> ctx144k: sudo tasksel install mail-server should install and do a basic working config
[12:29] <ctx144k> if i say in /etc/mailname localhost, i get locally emails, but mails to another server willbe bounced:
[12:29] <ctx144k> http://rafb.net/p/SFPGA958.html
[12:29] <nijaba> ctx144k: bounced by whom?  what's the error?
[12:30] <ctx144k> the another server is bouncing mails wich are from root@localhost
[12:30] <ctx144k> so i need there a correct name
[12:30] <nijaba> right, you need to have a correct domain name defined
[12:30] <nijaba> ctx144k: do you operate your own dns?
[12:30] <ctx144k> but if i set there a correct name locally emails willnot comming on local pc
[12:31] <ctx144k> no
[12:31] <nijaba> ctx144k: for a given domain?
[12:31] <ctx144k> my pc has no domain
[12:31] <ctx144k> its a client in internet. i need onmly sending administration emails to another server
[12:32] <nijaba> ctx144k: so you do not really need postfix
[12:32] <ctx144k> okay
[12:32] <nijaba> ctx144k: or a real mail server
[12:32] <ctx144k> i installed exim4, but there i dont get mails too
[12:32] <ctx144k> what do i need?
[12:32] <nijaba> ctx144k: try a package like msmtp-mta
[12:33] <ctx144k> i need only a way getting locally mail from cron and so on, ans sending emails out
[12:33] <nijaba> ctx144k: which should allow you to send email to any destination, without having to deal with a full smtp server
[12:35] <ctx144k> yes
[12:36] <ctx144k> http://rafb.net/p/knC8Py85.html
[12:38] <nijaba> http://ubuntu.dustinkirkland.com/manpages/hardy/man1/msmtp.html has some good config example that should be easy to follow
[12:53] <ctx144k> nijaba, merci its running
[12:54] <nijaba> ctx144k: il n'y a pas de quoi, andre
[12:54] <ctx144k> ?!?
[12:54] <nijaba> ^^french for you ara welcome
[12:55]  * nijaba kicks uvirtbot
[12:56] <nijaba> ctx144k: sorry, your first name and your use of merci, made me thought you spoke french
[13:07] <cropalato> Some one can help me? Where can i get more info about "NICs standby failover"?
[13:17] <ctx144k> no iam german :)
[13:22] <ogra> nijaba, we germans are good pretenders ;)
[13:54] <ctx144k> but another question, ghow can i disable sending mails in cron?
[13:54] <ctx144k> all cron-jopbs are sending mails to root
[14:41] <_ruben> cropalato: you're looking for info on redundant networking or what?
[14:45] <cropalato> _ruben, yes. redundat network, HA!
[14:52] <_ruben> cropalato: what exactly do you want to know? the proper term in linux is "bonding" btw
[14:55] <cropalato> _ruben, i want the my server don't lose any connection if my wire or NIC stop.
[14:58] <_ruben> cropalato: google will find lots of articles explaining how to configure nic bonding, like http://pmjdebruijn.blogspot.com/2006/04/ubuntu-bonding.html
[14:58] <cropalato> _ruben, thanks. bonding is the word.
[14:59] <_ruben> cropalato: the details (like which bonding method to use), depends on your network. like redundant switches or not, or if you want to use both nics for increased bandwith when both nics are operational
[15:00] <cropalato> _ruben, ok. thanks
[15:06] <_ruben> yw
[16:26] <namzezam> using amazon ec2, what is your recommended ami for Ubuntu Server Edition with Nginx on ma.large  (64bit 7.5 GB RAM) ?
[16:34] <chmac> Any suggestion on how to tell apt that otrs is already configured and no longer requires configuration?
[16:50] <dthacker> I'm planning on converting my squid proxy to a transparent proxy.   I currently have a cable modem.-->fw/router--->6 pc's  Do I need to move the squid server between the cable modem and fw/router for it to receive all web requests?
[17:50] <didymus7777> I am running the new hardy server, with the webmin program (boss wants to see stuff) however when I set up the DHCP server with it (or with out it for that matter) even with the step by step fools way of setting it up I still get the error message- "starting DHCP server dhcpd3 ...fail!  I am not seeing what I am screwing up on, in fact I don't even really know were to look. yes I have ip-forwarding set up and the client computer with a stati
[17:52] <sergevn> nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://127.0.0.1/: Invalid credentials
[17:52] <sergevn> doe anyone know what this error means.
[17:52] <sergevn> besides invalid credentials ofcourse
[17:52] <sergevn> sure they are right
[17:53] <sergevn> getent passwd gives back the correct users
[17:53] <sergevn> to the connection to ldap works
[17:53] <sergevn> pulling my hair  out here :P
[17:58] <dthacker> sergevn: looking at the error message. It expects to find an LDAP server on localhost, and is not finding one?
[18:09] <sergevn> it finds it
[18:09] <sergevn> because getent gives back the ldap users
[18:09] <sergevn> dthacker: :)