[00:00] <Laptop125> I installed the Governor applet three times trying to get it to show in the panel .. how do I remove them when I can't see them ?
[00:02] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, you can't see them?
[00:03] <cody-somerville> Have you confirmed they're running?
[00:05] <Laptop125> No I can't see them .. the panels.xml shows three of them so I'm guessing they are running.
[00:06] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, can you pastebin your process list?
[00:09] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, how do I get the proccess list?
[00:10] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, Easiest way would be to type the following at the terminal: ps ux
[00:15] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, Pasted it
[00:16] <Laptop125> Guess you need this .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/26773/
[00:23] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, what exactly did you type and as what user?
[00:24] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, also, what version of Xubuntu are you running?
[00:27] <Laptop125> ps -A as the defualt user .. ps ux asked fr switches .. you want i again as sudo ?? .. xubunu 8.04 cody-somerville
[00:28] <Laptop125> Sorry .. some of my keys don't always work :-(
[00:28] <cody-somerville> "ps ux" should work fine
[00:28] <cody-somerville> can you try again?
[00:32] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, I did ps us he first time :-/ .. here ya go .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/26775/
[00:33] <cody-somerville> Okay, I need you to do it one more time
[00:33] <cody-somerville> This time, run: ps ux | cat
[00:35] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26776/
[00:35] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, Does Xubuntu ever freeze on login for you?
[00:37] <Laptop125> No it doesn't cody-somerville  .. I have it setup for auto login and it always works.
[00:38] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, Sorry to take a tangent here but can you post me the contents of this file?: /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:38] <Laptop125> Sure
[00:41] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26778/
[00:42] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, if you do: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; what does it say?
[00:44] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:46] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, whats the contents of ~/.dmrc ?
[00:47] <cody-somerville> and can you pastebin the output of this command?: apt-cache policy xfce4-utils
[00:48] <Laptop125> cody-somerville,  [Desktop]     Session=default
[00:48] <cody-somerville> Can you give me the output of ~/.xsession-errors ?
[00:50] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, first one .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/26780/
[00:51] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, second one .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/26782/
[00:53] <cody-somerville> This might not be related but it appears you're suffering from bug #220899
[00:53] <Laptop125> I don't use the power manager so thats not a problem for me.
[00:53] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, try the work around as described in the bug and try again - lets see if that fixes it
[00:54] <Laptop125> Ok
[00:54] <cody-somerville> Actually.. hold on a second Laptop125
[00:54] <Laptop125> Ok
[00:55] <cody-somerville> If you would, please enable the -proposed pocket and install the new version of xubuntu-default-settings
[00:58] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, what's a proposed pocket ?
[00:59] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, you know how we have -updates and -security?
[01:00] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, like the update manager does ? .. if so I did those yesterday.
[01:01] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, those are different "pockets"
[01:01] <cody-somerville> -proposed is a pocket containing proposed updates
[01:01] <cody-somerville> Once the updates in -proposed get tested, they get moved to -updates
[01:02] <Laptop125> I can set synaptic to get those right ???
[01:02] <cody-somerville> I've uploaded a fix for that bug to -proposed and I need someone to verify it before it can be moved over to -updates for everyone
[01:03] <cody-somerville> So I'd like you to click Applications > System > Software Sources
[01:03] <cody-somerville> and in there, you'll want to enable -proposed
[01:03] <cody-somerville> Once you've done that, it'll say there are more updates available but I want you to only install the new xubuntu-default-settings package.
[01:03] <Laptop125> ok .. hold on
[01:06] <Laptop125> cody-somerville,  would that be the same as pre-release updates ?
[01:07] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, Basically, for a developer to update a package in a stable release, we need to upload it first to -proposed for testing and verify it works w/o regressions before it gets moved to -updates for everyone to get.
[01:07] <cody-somerville> So you may not want to leave -proposed enabled after we're done here and only upgrade xubuntu-default-settings
[01:10] <Laptop125> Unfortunatly cody-somerville my software sourses doesn't show a proposed option.
[01:11] <cody-somerville> On the "Updates" tab, it is the "pre-release updates".
[01:11] <Laptop125> Ok .. got that ..
[01:12] <cody-somerville> Ok, so close it and it should ask you to reload your package info
[01:12] <Laptop125> Sorry I'm on a slow computer so things take a while.
[01:13] <cody-somerville> no problem
[01:13] <cody-somerville> Thanks for all your help btw.
[01:13] <cody-somerville> Greatly appreciated.
[01:14] <Laptop125> no problem .. so now do an apt-get install xubuntu-default-settings .. ?
[01:14] <cody-somerville> yup
[01:14] <Laptop125> k
[01:17] <Laptop125> Okie dokie it's installed cody-somerville
[01:19] <cody-somerville> Okay. Can you logout and then log back in? After you do that, please paste ~/.dmrc and ~/.xsession-errors again please.
[01:19] <Laptop125> ok .. brb
[01:24] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, here's both of them .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/26787/
[01:25] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, Okay, can you do delete ~/.dmrc and then do that again?
[01:26] <Laptop125> ok .. brb
[01:31] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, .drmc is empty .. here's the other file .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/26788/
[01:32] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, Can you please create a new user, logout, login as the new user, pastebin their ~/.dmrc and ~/.xsession-errors and then come back :)
[01:34] <Laptop125> okie dokie .. brb
[01:35] <mindslant> Howdy, heres a new one.  What would I have to do and redirect to load some programs onto a properly formatted removable flash drive?
[01:41] <cody-somerville> mindslant, I'm not sure I understand your question.
[01:42] <mindslant> I have an EEE with about 1.5 gigs left on the HD.  I have an empty 4 gig "camera" flash card.  can I install some programs onto the flash card?
[01:43] <mindslant> and run them from there
[01:43] <rand0m> anyone know any recording programs other than audacity ?
[01:43] <test125> cody-somerville, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26790/
[01:44] <cody-somerville> test125, what is the outpout of apt-cache policy xubuntu-default-settings ?
[01:46] <test125> cody-somerville, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26791/
[01:47] <cody-somerville> Can you pastebin etc/xdg/xubuntu/gdm/gdm.conf ?
[01:49] <test125> cody-somerville, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26792/
[01:52] <xaer0> hello
[01:53] <cody-somerville> Doh. I think I know what the problem is.
[01:53] <cody-somerville> test125, Can you reboot please (or just restart x server completely so that gdm is killed)
[01:53] <cody-somerville> test125, gdm is still using old config :)
[01:54] <cody-somerville> xaer0, hello
[01:54] <test125> I'll reboot .. brb
[01:56] <xaer0> GDM was throwing me errors... after i installed Kubuntu
[01:58] <xaer0> first was Ubuntu 8.04, then put Xubuntu 8, and then Kubuntu 8.04 ... then added KDE4 and then it wouldnt load to XServer... i had to put "GDM &" in some text file
[01:59] <xaer0> even tried to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm" and that didnt work
[01:59] <xaer0> after adding that "gdm &" in that txt file it runs fine
[02:01] <cody-somerville> xaer0, did you report the bug?
[02:01] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, welcome back
[02:01] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, .dmrc is still empty for my default user .. I deleted it before rebooting
[02:02] <xaer0> ya i think i found it in a bug report somewere
[02:02] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, Empty you mean the file exists and nothing is in it?
[02:02] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, yup
[02:02] <xaer0> i cant remember.. but i got Xubuntu running like a champ on this 1.6ghz sempron and on a P@ 350Mhz :-D
[02:02] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, and you deleted the file? So the file was recreated?
[02:02] <xaer0> *P3
[02:03] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, yup again lol
[02:04] <Laptop125> Wasn't much in it to begin with.
[02:05] <cody-somerville> Interesting.
[02:05] <xaer0> so you got a loop on a file?
[02:05] <xaer0> weird
[02:05] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, Okay. So, lets try creating a new user again
[02:05] <xaer0> what program is creating that?
[02:05] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, and then logout, login as them, and paste ~/.dmrc and ~/.xsession-errors
[02:05] <cody-somerville> xaer0, gdm
[02:05] <cody-somerville> xaer0, what do you mean by a loop on a file?
[02:06] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, ok .. brb
[02:06] <xaer0> loop.... like recreation or recreated
[02:06] <xaer0> so he is trying to create new users?
[02:07] <cody-somerville> xaer0, no
[02:08] <cody-somerville> xaer0, I'm trying to verify that my fix for bug #220899 works
[02:08] <xaer0> oh okay
[02:08] <cody-somerville> :]
[02:08] <xaer0> im still new to this :-D
[02:08] <xaer0> ive been using *buntu for about 3 years now
[02:09] <xaer0> well Linux in general.. Puppy, SUSE, Fedora, DSL, *buntu, GoblinX
[02:09] <xaer0> Xubuntu is were i started and cant find anything like it :)
[02:09] <cody-somerville> :)
[02:09] <cody-somerville> You enjoy using Xubuntu?
[02:09] <xaer0> well GoblinX and Puppy is up there for low system requirements
[02:10] <xaer0> ya i like Xubuntu.. thought about making some Backgrounds and Icons for the project :-D
[02:10] <cody-somerville> :)
[02:10] <cody-somerville> That would be pretty cool.
[02:10] <cody-somerville> If you're interested in contributing, feel free to hang out in #xubuntu-devel
[02:10] <xaer0> right now i have openSUSE 11.0, XP SP3, and U/X/Kubuntu on here :-D
[02:11] <xaer0> i just joined both of your newsgroups
[02:11] <cody-somerville> :)
[02:12] <xaer0> checking out the last one... got me thinking about my next computer Purchase
[02:12] <xaer0> a IBook G3 :-D
[02:12] <xaer0> use that Power PC :_D
[02:12] <xaer0> my first experances with a Unix like OS was BeOS 4 back in 1999 :)
[02:13] <cody-somerville> :]
[02:13] <xaer0> ya BeOS too me was very fun when i started with Alternative OSes
[02:14] <xaer0> i hardly ever use Windows.. at my work, Sears, I got 2-3 people in the electronics dept. to jump on the *buntu bandwagon :)
[02:15] <xaer0> oh i noticed something.. Xubuntu is the only Buntu distro were you cant order a free cd with right
[02:16] <xaer0> i got to thinking... how about we try this for a bit
[02:16] <xaer0> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/USA
[02:17] <me125> cody-somerville, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26794/
[02:17] <xaer0> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Information
[02:17] <xaer0> something like this for Xubuntu :)
[02:17] <cody-somerville> me125, woot :)
[02:18] <cody-somerville> me125, Do you notice much of a difference?
[02:18] <cody-somerville> me125, can you pastebin "ps ux" for me?
[02:18] <me125> cody-somerville, difference in what way ?
[02:19] <me125> yes
[02:19] <cody-somerville> me125, It had Session=Default before
[02:19] <cody-somerville> it now reads: Session=xfce4
[02:19] <xaer0> that would speed it up wouldnt it?
[02:20] <whileimhere> Hi. Is there an easy way to install ICON sets like GNOME or is it harder in XFCE? If so where can I get the install icon instructions please?
[02:20] <cody-somerville> Also, you see that startxfce4 is used where as it wasn't before? So xfce4 is now starting correctly where it may not have been before.
[02:20] <cody-somerville> !xfce-icons
[02:20] <me125> cody-somerville, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26795/
[02:21] <whileimhere> Thanks!
[02:21] <cody-somerville> me125, "ps ux | cat" please
[02:21] <me125> k
[02:22] <genelyk> downloading alpha2 ....
[02:23] <me125> cody-somerville, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26796/
[02:25] <me125> I suspect I can just copy this .dmrc over to my normal user without problems.
[02:25] <genelyk> Fedora Lite???
[02:26] <xaer0> ... fedora 9. kde4 what a broken POS IMO
[02:27] <cody-somerville> me125, what is the output of  ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager ?
[02:27] <me125> cody-somerville, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2008-07-09 16:01 /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/xfce4-session
[02:30] <cody-somerville> me125, It appears that the biggest difference in your case is that plugging in a printer now will mean it "automatically" works.
[02:30] <whileimhere> Is there a version of ubuntustudio for XFCE or is it all the same?
[02:30] <me125> Just added that Governor plugin as this new user .. still doesn't show in the panel .. ;-)
[02:31] <xaer0> well download studio.. then install xubuntu
[02:31] <xaer0> ;)
[02:31] <whileimhere> me125 I have issues with the volume control showing up in the panel
[02:31] <xaer0> i was using Ubuntu Studio.. but then switched to Xubuntu :)
[02:31] <me125> cody-somerville, I'm running at 700mhz with 128 megs of ram .. don't think I'll be printing .. :-)
[02:32] <cody-somerville> It also looks like network manager applet started too
[02:32] <cody-somerville> Did you notice that as new?
[02:32] <whileimhere> I am using xubuntu I just figured rather than install the apps one by one to install ubuntu studio but I dont want to install GNOME with it
[02:33] <xaer0> well...
[02:33] <me125> NM was already working for me
[02:33] <xaer0> there is really nothing like that that i know of
[02:33] <whileimhere> ok
[02:33] <whileimhere> ill do it one at a time
[02:33] <xaer0> i would just install Studio .. then apt-get xubuntu-desktop
[02:34] <me125> whileimhere, volume control is showing here.
[02:34] <whileimhere> me125 do you have to install a package to get it to show up?
[02:34] <me125> cody-somerville, I should mention this was an upgrade from 7.10 fyi
[02:35] <whileimhere> I find that I end up using XFCE as the desktop and then K3B, Scribus, and digikam for the most part
[02:35] <me125> whileimhere, no .. just right click the panel and add new item
[02:35] <whileimhere> Yeah I have done that before it just never shows up me125
[02:35] <xaer0> well.. i use Nero Linux 3, Gimp, and digikam mostly
[02:36] <xaer0> K3B has ruined over 4 disc for me
[02:36] <whileimhere> Let me clarify that me125 it wont show up on the upper panel but will show up on the lower panel. I end up just moving it up to the top panel.
[02:36] <acalbaza> how does one set up for wake on lan?
[02:36] <xaer0> i lost all my Naruto Shippuden episodes.. not fun
[02:36] <whileimhere> xaer0 I use it mostly to backup photos and small videos I ilm
[02:36] <whileimhere> ilm = film
[02:37] <me125> whileimhere, k .. I only use a bottom panel.
[02:37] <xaer0> im probrobly going to do screencast and making some video game reviews with Xvid
[02:37] <whileimhere> oh I also use it to play my advanced mame
[02:38] <xaer0> MAME... on linux...
[02:38] <xaer0> i dont like it
[02:38] <whileimhere> Oh Advanced MAME works great !
[02:38] <xaer0> its all command line isnt?
[02:39] <xaer0> i need a MAME with a GUI
[02:39] <xaer0> mostly i play SHMUPS and Fighters.. long live King of Fighters. Also WINE with video game emulation kicks ass
[02:39] <whileimhere> xaer0 are you ready for a shameless plug? There is a program I give feedback on its called Wah!Cade and it does MAME, ZSNES, GFCEU and most of the other emulators really well. Its just a front-end but man it sure makes it more like selecting a game in the arcade.
[02:39] <xaer0> i was playing Paper Mario with Wine and Project 64.. ran like a champ
[02:40] <xaer0> windows is only installed here for the gaming LOL
[02:41] <xaer0> i noticed that Linux lacks a good Turbografx-16 emulator
[02:41] <cody-somerville> me125, Weird. It is working for me. It is probably segfaulting. Up for trying to debug it? :)
[02:41] <whileimhere> xaer0 I just need to learn how to create DEB files to release Advanced MAME for most users.
[02:42] <xaer0> it needs a GUI! thats all i can say LOL
[02:42] <whileimhere> Wah!Cade comes in deb, rpm, and source
[02:42] <whileimhere> xaer0 there is a great emulator for the TG 16 called HUGO
[02:43] <me125> cody-somerville, I'd just like to remove it .. since I added it three times and can't see it .. Don't think I really need it.
[02:43] <xaer0> not as compatible as the Magic PC Engine emulator
[02:43] <cody-somerville> me125, You can modify the xml files in ~/.config/
[02:43] <xaer0> or less of a system hog.. maybe i should give HuGo a try again...
[02:43] <cody-somerville> me125, but from your process list, the actual plugins aren't running
[02:44] <xaer0> i dont like any emulator with out a gui
[02:44] <whileimhere> xaer0 I know that the developer or HUGO once sent me the updated version because the version he had posted on his site was for an older compiler. It worked great on my old p2 128meg.
[02:45] <xaer0> well i give it a whirl again
[02:45] <whileimhere> xaer0 I know what you mean. That why I WAH!CADE!
[02:45] <me125> cody-somerville, I tried that .. but it that panels.xml shows it back in there when I login again.
[02:46] <cody-somerville> me125, try editing it while not logged in
[02:46] <me125> OK .. brb
[02:47] <whileimhere> Sadly enough I cannot upgrade from 7.10 my USB CDRW drive dies and my wireless goes nuts
[02:47] <xaer0> that sucks
[02:49] <mindslant> I had asked earlier how one could choose to keep only certain programs on a removable flash drive and a friend told me, "Compile from source with statically linked libraries, copy the resulting binaries to flash drive. "...I get compile from source.  translation?
[02:50] <cody-somerville> If you statically link a lib then it actually includes the code of the lib in the executable
[02:51] <whileimhere> What does anyone think of the Xara Extreme prog?
[02:51] <mindslant> this is kind of like star trek for me.  I hear the words and it seems like it would make sense, but I'm not sure exactly how to configure it.
[02:51] <mindslant> How does one statically link?
[02:52] <cody-somerville> mindslant, what are you trying to do exactly?
[02:52] <whileimhere> Use the force? (sorry I could not resist)
[02:53] <mindslant> On my little eee I got 1.5 gigs left which I'd like to leave open just in case.  I'd like to keep the bulk of network utility programs on a removable flash drive. ^ funny, I would if it worked
[02:53] <mindslant> I know it's odd
[02:53] <mindslant> maybe not really possible but it seems like it should be
[02:54] <cody-somerville> okay.
[02:54] <cody-somerville> I understand you.
[02:54] <whileimhere> And I have no clue
[02:54] <mindslant> making some headway.
[02:55] <whileimhere> In fact I tried to once buy a clue but I am still clueless here.
[02:55] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, thanks .. it's gone .. :-)
[02:55] <cody-somerville> You can download the source for the program and recompile it and install it to the removable flash drive
[02:55] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, :)
[02:55] <cody-somerville> If you try to re-add it, does it still bork?
[02:55] <Laptop125> Lets see
[02:56] <mindslant> I assume I'll have to manually create the menu launchers
[02:56] <Laptop125> cody-somerville,  yup .. still doesn't show in the panel
[02:56] <cody-somerville> mindslant, yes
[02:57] <mindslant> okay.  I'm willing to call this a path to victory
[02:57] <mindslant> thank you
[02:58] <Laptop125> Now I have to go get rid of it again .. ;-) .. thank god for midnight commander.
[02:58] <whileimhere> I expect to hear superman themes playing
[02:58] <mindslant> uh, what was all the statically linked talk about?  I'm not going to end up having to do that I assume
[02:59] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, Are you interested in figuring out why it isn't working or have I abused you already too much tonight? haha
[02:59] <Laptop125> Go for it cody-somerville
[03:01] <whileimhere> Is there a wet trout involved in this smacking around?
[03:02] <whileimhere> You know when I pop in a cd into the USB CDRW it shows up on the desktop. When I am done I can right click on the icon and ask it to eject. Is there a way to get that icon on the desktop to open and close the CDRW no matter if it has a cd in it or not?
[03:02] <cody-somerville> whileimhere, not w/o modifying source code :P
[03:03] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, maybe the icon for it is just missing .. :-)
[03:03] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, I'm looking at the packaging and it doesn't look like it was done correctly.... what makes you think that?
[03:03] <whileimhere> cody-somerville thanks
[03:04] <Laptop125> I can't see it i the panel so I was just making a guess cody-somerville .
[03:05] <cody-somerville> okay
[03:05] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, What is the output of the following?: ls -l /usr/lib/xfce4-governor-plugin/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-governor-plugin
[03:06] <Laptop125> I need the link to pasterbin again
[03:07] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 15368 2007-08-07 07:13 /usr/lib/xfce4-governor-plugin/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-governor-plugin
[03:08] <Laptop125> nm I gt the link
[03:09] <whileimhere> Each time I see the word link I hear the zelda themesong!
[03:12] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[03:14] <Laptop125> Ummmm you want me to do this cody-somerville ?
[03:14] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, lol, well... yes :P
[03:15] <Laptop125> Okie dokie .. hold on .. ;-)
[03:20] <Laptop125> cody-somerville, dpkg -l yelp isn't giving me the info I need
[03:21] <cody-somerville> You don't want the debug symbols for yelp ;]
[03:22] <Laptop125> well is this line correct then cody-somerville  .. sudo apt-get install yelp-dbgsym=2.22.1-0ubuntu2.8.04.1
[03:22] <cody-somerville> no
[03:22] <cody-somerville> You don't want the debug symbols for yelp
[03:23] <cody-somerville> You want the debug symbols for the xfce4-governor-plugin package
[03:24] <Laptop125> Oh .. I was just going step by step .. so somewhere i this page it tells me how to get that Hmmm
[03:25] <Laptop125> Maybe I should email you my computer.
[03:25] <cody-somerville> yelp is an example
[03:26] <cody-somerville> You want to install xfce4-governor-plugin-dbgsym
[03:27] <steven> hey cody!
[03:27] <cody-somerville> Hi steven :)
[03:27] <steven> does anyone know how to change the cpu-graph-panel-plugin?
[03:27] <steven> it has three colors
[03:28] <steven> the first two you can change
[03:28] <Laptop125> ok cody-somerville  installed
[03:28] <steven> the third stays blue
[03:28] <steven> how do i change?
[03:28] <steven> i have temp net mem swap
[03:28] <steven> all color coded
[03:28] <steven> any thoughts?
[03:29] <cody-somerville> steven, I think I remember reading a bug report about that
[03:29] <steven> oh yes?
[03:29] <steven> you would know
[03:29] <steven> i am glad youy
[03:29] <steven> you're on
[03:30] <cody-somerville> :]
[03:31] <cody-somerville> hmm... I don't see anything in launchpad
[03:32] <steven> no?
[03:32] <steven> i didn't
[03:32] <steven> thought maybe you had super-secret access
[03:32] <cody-somerville> steven, Can you file a bug :)? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-cpugraph-plugin/+filebug
[03:32] <steven> not exactly aure how...
[03:32] <steven> willing to learn
[03:32] <steven> as i have been
[03:32] <steven> trying...
[03:33] <cody-somerville> steven, when I click the third colour, it is almost as if the button is disabled. Is this the same behaviour for you?
[03:33] <steven> yes exactly
[03:33] <steven> i don't like blue
[03:33] <steven> it's all red and yellow
[03:33] <steven> except for that one
[03:34] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, now we need to create a wrapper script that will start the plugin process within gdb so that we  can obtain a backtrace
[03:35] <Laptop125> I don't know if I like that word "we" .. ok .. show me you magic !
[03:36] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, At the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace there is a script that we'll use to automate the collection. Just download that and save it somewhere convenient. You'll need to make sure it has executable permissions (chmod +x)
[03:36] <steven> cody must be french what with all the oui
[03:36] <steven> lol
[03:37] <steven> cody, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-cpugraph-plugin/+bug/247769
[03:37] <steven> good enough?
[03:38] <cody-somerville> steven, thank you muchly :)
[03:38] <steven> no prob
[03:38] <steven> that was painless!
[03:38] <steven> now i can file bugs!
[03:38] <steven> honestly the only problem i have
[03:39] <steven> other than being able to change the background color for the IM windows in pidgin
[03:39] <steven> ::sheepishly grins::
[03:39] <cody-somerville> :]
[03:40] <steven> any thoughts?
[03:40] <Laptop125> I named it script .. so .. chmod +x script     ???
[03:40] <steven> i am using xfce-dusk or whatever it's official name is
[03:40] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, yes
[03:40] <Laptop125> K done
[03:40] <steven> and pidgin is black and i can't read black text unless mine is white and then my friends can't read it!
[03:41] <cody-somerville> steven, pidgin allows you to tweak gtk stuff
[03:41] <steven> i can't seem to find it
[03:41] <cody-somerville> I think it is one of the plugins
[03:41] <cody-somerville> So you need to enable it
[03:41] <steven> i'm a newbuntero
[03:41] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, Okay, now we're getting into something a bit more trickier.
[03:41] <Laptop125> OK ;-/
[03:42] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, type this: sudo mv /usr/lib/xfce4-governor-plugin/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-governor-plugin /usr/lib/xfce4-governor-plugin/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-governor-plugin.real
[03:42] <steven> oh my other teensy whine
[03:42] <steven> why won't my mouse stay uniform?
[03:42] <steven> some apps, white
[03:43] <steven> others black and on panels a plain default
[03:43] <steven> sorry for the whines
[03:43] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, then I want you to create the file then type: sudo nano /usr/lib/xfce4-governor-plugin/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-governor-plugin and put this in it:
[03:43] <Laptop125> First one ..  No such file or directory
[03:44] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, what is the output of /usr/lib/xfce4-governor-plugin/xfce4/panel-plugins/ ?
[03:45] <Laptop125> bash: /usr/lib/xfce4-governor-plugin/xfce4/panel-plugins/: is a directory
[03:45] <cody-somerville> ls  /usr/lib/xfce4-governor-plugin/xfce4/panel-plugins/
[03:46] <Laptop125> xfce4-governor-plugin.real
[03:46] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, I have to head home (it is gettting late and I'm still at the office!) but I'll be on when I get home which will be in 30 mins or so
[03:46] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, so the first one worked :)
[03:47] <cody-somerville> Laptop125,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/26814/
[03:47] <steven> thx cody
[03:47]  * cody-somerville waves.
[03:47] <Laptop125> Maybe we can tackle this tomrrow .. cody-somerville  .. I'm getting tired of standing ..lol
[03:47] <cody-somerville> Laptop125, okay
[03:48] <Laptop125> Thanks cody-somerville
[03:58] <Genelyk> installing xubuntu alpha2 ....
[04:19] <Genelyk> total time of instalation  1 hour 18 min  8.10 alpha 2
[04:21] <Genelyk> firts  login = crashing
[04:22] <Genelyk> 1 hub problem
[04:30] <Genelyk> T_T
[04:47] <carbuntu> anybody familiar with any fix to keep google earth from crashing upon initialization i would appreciate... seems to be some prob associated with graphics card driver, but i have not been able to correct the driver problem
[05:56] <eca> ﻿i set .pls files to be opened with gmplayer in firefox, it needs the -playlist option with it, how do i add that? in preferences-applications nothing shows up
[06:19] <hacksilber> hello
[06:21] <j1mc> hi hacksilber
[06:22] <hacksilber> know anything about networking?
[06:22] <hacksilber> rather configuring in ubuntu?
[06:23] <j1mc> a little
[06:23] <j1mc> what is your question?
[06:24] <hacksilber> well my network was just fine until i installed xen-server and rebooted
[06:24] <hacksilber> i originally only had lo and eth0 when i did ifconfig
[06:24] <hacksilber> now i have eth0 lo and peth0  and i can't ping my router
[06:34] <j1mc> hacksilber: sorry, i think that one's a little beyond me.  have you checked any of the wiki networking guide.
[06:34] <hacksilber> yeah i've been searching around and i'm wondering if this kernel doesn't pick up on my nic
[06:34] <hacksilber> i'm gonna try rebooting into my old kernel
[06:36] <j1mc> ok.  sorry i can't be of more help.
[06:38] <hacksilber> no worries
[06:38] <hacksilber> well it seems to be a kernel issue
[06:38] <hacksilber> gonna see if i can find a patched kernel set
[06:39] <owen1> can my bluetooth work with skype?
[06:40] <hacksilber> does skype read your bluetooth device?
[06:46] <owen1> hacksilber: i never used bluetooth...
[06:47] <hacksilber> hmm nor have i
[06:48] <hacksilber> try asking in #ubuntu
[06:48] <owen1> hacksilber: ok. thanks
[07:34] <owen1> enouf: installed bluez-utils and run idd --search
[08:16] <rand0m> do i need to do anything in order to transfer music to my ipod nano in xubuntu aside from just plug it in ?
[08:18] <ere4si> rand0m: this is helpful - http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9266
[08:19] <rand0m> nice, thanks
[08:19] <ere4si> :)
[08:27] <rand0m> uhmm.. i plugged in my ipod and my optical USB mouse stopped working
[08:28] <ere4si> rand0m: try plugging it into a diff usb port
[08:28] <rand0m> no dice
[08:29] <rand0m> i have 4 ports, none work with the mouse now
[08:30] <ere4si> hmmm , if it is the system taking time to sync the ipod you might have to wait a couple of min...
[08:30] <rand0m> i already ejected & unplugged it
[08:31] <ere4si> k
[08:31] <rand0m> because it wouldn´t recognize in amarok
[08:31] <ere4si> it should do - I'd open amorak after the ipod is connected and see
[08:32] <rand0m> for the moment, i´m more concerned with getting my mouse working again
[08:33] <ere4si> with the ipod out it isn't working?
[08:34] <rand0m> no
[08:34] <rand0m> red light isn't even on
[08:36] <ere4si> dmesg | tail 20 might give more clues
[09:26] <ggD> helo
[09:27] <ggD> i am a Archlinux user and i have a question
[09:28] <ggD> could someone help me?
[09:29] <ere4si> if you ask the question probably :)
[09:29] <ggD> i just wan't to know the default xubuntu theme
[09:29] <ggD> it looks very nice
[09:30] <ggD> Setting >> User Interface Setting
[09:30] <ere4si> xubuntu looks good in blue - I'm not on my xubuntu box atm and don't know offhand - give me a min
[09:31] <ggD> thanks!
[09:33] <cody-somerville> Murrina Dark Storm Cloud
[09:33] <ere4si> there you go ggD  ^^
[09:34] <ggD> thanks, and please tell me Setting >> WIndow Manager Settings
 coud you  tell me Setting >> Window Manager Settings, too
[09:38] <cody-somerville> Xfwm-4.5-svn is mine
[09:39] <ggD> well, still thank you ^^
[10:06] <N3tst0rm> hi community, i downloaded xubuntu iso via http://xubuntu.org/ and burned it to CD. I started my old laptop with this ISO and choose install in the menu. The PC started from the CD, but the XFCE-Desktop doesn t start. Now I am on console. How can i start installation manually?
[10:08] <ere4si> N3tst0rm: what happened when you chose install from the menu?
[11:25] <Rev_> hello ppl
[11:25] <cody-somerville> Hello
[11:25] <Rev_> any idea how to edit the shortcuts side pane in Thunar? i want to remove trash and filesystem and add my NTFS partition but i cant find how to edit it
[11:28] <cody-somerville> You just drag and drop
[11:28] <ere4si> and there is the right click options yes?
[11:29] <cody-somerville> sure
[11:33] <Rev_> nope
[11:33] <Rev_> the right click option doesnt work
[11:33] <Rev_> it's grey
[11:33] <Rev_> you cant edit it
[11:33] <Rev_> oh, maybe as root?
[11:33] <cody-somerville> You can't remove the the stuff above the horizontal break
[11:36] <Rev_> yeah, thats exactly what i want to remove
[11:36] <Rev_> thats a pity
[11:36] <Rev_> anyway, cody-somerville , do you know a good VNC client on xubuntu?
[11:39] <ere4si> Rev_: apt cache search vnc will give you the choices
[11:39] <Rev_> okidoki ere4si
[11:39] <Rev_> thanks
[11:39] <ere4si> np :)
[11:59] <eustas> Hi all. I experience some sound problems. It is crackly when applications (games) use 3D rendering. However distiv
[11:59] <eustas> distinct 3d tests show well performance
[12:00] <eustas> moreover - the strength of distortion depends on window size - larger window - stronger distortion
[12:03] <ere4si> is your mic on?
[12:03] <eustas> Two examples - NWN linux client - all good in 640x480, very bad on 1024x768. Diablo II in wine - all good with DirectDraw, distorted music on D3d
[12:03] <eustas> microphone is off
[12:05] <ere4si> if you type   alsamixer   in a terminal you can change settings for diff sound elements - try turning some down as a start
[12:05] <eustas> already tried
[12:07] <ere4si> is pcm the master?
[12:08] <eustas> how can i see it? in alsamixer there is master, then pcm, then front, etc.
[12:09] <ere4si> do you have the mixer plugin for volume control - a right click on that will tell
[12:09] <ere4si> it's on the panel if it's there
[12:10] <eustas> wannable maser: Master, 0
[12:10] <ere4si> try changing it to pcm
[12:11] <eustas> doesn't help
[12:14] <ere4si> I'm sorry but that's the limit of my sound trouble shooting knowledge eustas
[12:15] <eustas> thanks for your help =)
[12:16] <ere4si> wasn't much help but... :)
[12:32] <ere4si> N3tst0rm: are you past the install yet?
[13:54] <Rev_> hello ppl
[13:54] <Rev_> any way to edit the shortcuts list in Thunar's side left pane?
[13:55] <Rev_> i mean, above the separator
[13:55] <steven> unable to Rev_
[13:55] <steven> as far as i know
[13:55] <steven> unless you wanna man edit files
[13:55] <steven> i think
[13:55] <steven> but as far as i know you can't
[13:57] <Rev_> ok steven , thats a pity though
[13:57] <steven> no prob
[13:57] <steven> i was bugged for a while
[13:58] <steven> rev_ i remember seeing a workaround
[13:58] <steven> you could always use another file manager
[13:58] <steven> you're using thunar?
[13:58] <steven> :-)
[13:58] <steven> cheap workaround
[13:58] <Rev_> indeed :p
[13:58] <Rev_> yeah, im using thunar, since its light and rather powerful
[13:59] <Rev_> but this is really annoying
[13:59] <Rev_> this, and the fact that it doesnt auto mount my winXP partition
[13:59] <Rev_> and even , when i manually mount it, it doesnt appear in the shortcuts in Thunar
[13:59] <steven> doesn't automount you say
[13:59] <steven> ?
[13:59] <steven> hmm i had this exact prob
[13:59] <steven> fixed it on accident tho
[13:59] <nikin> hy how can i set xfwm to use the windows key insteaad of ALT for moving and resizeing windows?
[13:59] <steven> lemme hop on my desktop see what i did
[14:00] <steven> nikin look for keyboard shortcuts
[14:00] <steven> set your own?
[14:00] <nikin> i didnt see it there
[14:00] <steven> appls>settings>settings man>key shorts
[14:00] <steven> you can make your own
[14:02] <Rev_> sorry steven my X just died ;p
[14:02] <Rev_> it simply restarted withotu any reason
[14:03] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu meeting is now starting in #ubuntu-meeting - all are welcome to attend
[14:04] <nikin> it only lets me add commands...
[14:04] <Rev_> gotta go
[14:04] <Rev_> see ya all
[14:04] <steven> adios
[14:07] <nikin> its in setting man > window manager tweaks > accesiblity... but why?
[14:07] <Diskdoc> Ah, wonderful :) IRC:ing is always like returning home, somehow. Back in the day etc.
[14:07] <cody-somerville> :)
[14:07] <Diskdoc> Having some screensaver trouble with XUbuntu Hardy.. It doesn't switch on at all..
[14:08] <steven> hmm
[14:08] <steven> what is command for scrren lock?
[14:08] <Diskdoc> ctrl+alt+l I think
[14:08] <steven> what do you use to engage?
[14:08] <Diskdoc> Just a timer
[14:08] <steven> no i mean terminal command
[14:08] <steven> xfce-lcok?
[14:08] <steven> something like that?
[14:08] <Diskdoc> I'll check
[14:08] <steven> are you using gnome-screensaver or x-screensaver
[14:09] <Diskdoc> Don't have it..I'll check synaptic to see if I'm missing something
[14:09] <steven> yeaH
[14:09] <Diskdoc> xscreensaver
[14:10] <steven> OKAY
[14:10] <steven> i had some serious prob with that
[14:10] <steven> hold on
[14:11] <Diskdoc> Can't see any xfce-lock package..
[14:11] <cody-somerville> xflock4
[14:11] <steven> there ya go!
[14:11] <steven> cody to the rescue\
[14:11] <Diskdoc> Found a bugreport that advised users to log in using "xfce" session after upgrading to a proposed xubuntu-desktop-setting 0.39.1 But it didn't help
[14:12] <Diskdoc> Ok, xflock4 works
[14:12] <steven> coolio
[14:12] <Diskdoc> locks the screen
[14:12] <cody-somerville> Diskdoc, If that worked then the workaround worked
[14:13] <Diskdoc> Well I still can't get the screensaver working using a timeout
[14:13] <steven> hmm
[14:14] <cody-somerville> Diskdoc, can you pastebin the output of this command? ps ux | cat
[14:14] <cody-somerville> And also pastebin the contents of this file: ~/.xsession-errors
[14:15] <steven> you nkow
[14:15] <steven> now that i thiking
[14:15] <steven> how do i remove xscreensaver and have on;y gnome?
[14:15] <steven> i liked their stuff better
[14:15] <steven> not really
[14:15] <steven> but i need an onscreen keyboard for login
[14:15] <cody-somerville> if you install gnome-screensaver then it'll use that
[14:15] <steven> tablet user
[14:16] <steven> gnome-screensaver is already the newest version.
[14:16] <Diskdoc> Pastebin?
[14:16] <steven> you know what pastebin is?
[14:17] <Diskdoc> Does gnome-screensaver use more memories due to gnome libraries?
[14:17] <Diskdoc> No, never heard of pastebin before
[14:17] <steven> i think technically yes
[14:17] <steven> oh a pastebin is an editable file you basically dump all the text and others can go read it
[14:17] <Diskdoc> (memory no memories..gawd I'm tired)
[14:17] <steven> lol
[14:18] <Diskdoc> I can do that, but don't really have a good place to put the output to make it accessible
[14:18] <steven> that's what the pastebin is
[14:18] <steven> it's all the output
[14:19] <steven> you copy it and paste it
[14:19] <steven> then others can go to the webpage and view it
[14:19] <Diskdoc> Cool, found it with Google
[14:20] <steven> yep
[14:21] <Diskdoc> http://pastebin.com/d5c18a44f
[14:21] <Diskdoc> That's ps ux
[14:21] <steven> ok
[14:28]  * Diskdoc has a headache due to slightly excessive drinking last night
[14:29] <Diskdoc> I'm at work too so I might be slow to answer when there's customers
[14:36] <Diskdoc> http://pastebin.com/d60344a41
[14:36] <Diskdoc> That's .xsession-errors
[14:49] <Diskdoc> I'll try gnome-screensaver instead..
[14:50] <cody-somerville> Why did you run that as root?
[14:51] <Diskdoc> Just happened to have a root terminal open
[14:52] <cody-somerville> please run it as your user
[14:52] <Diskdoc> ps ux? ok
[14:52] <Diskdoc> Oh of course..sorry. "u"=user :)
[15:02] <iCEifer> hello, in terms of performance will xubuntu 8.04 run the same as xubuntu 6.06.1 LTS? same system requirements?
[15:03] <iCEifer> it looks like ubuntu & kubuntu no longer have an older 6.x version for LTS and offer LTS for the latest 8.x version, is this going to happen with xubuntu soon as well?
[15:03] <charlie-tca> Unless you want the latest in 3d (compiz), it seems to be real close
[15:04] <iCEifer> with compiz does 6.06.1 run a lot faster?
[15:05] <iCEifer> or will it not even run on 6.0x?
[15:05] <charlie-tca> It's not faster
[15:05] <charlie-tca> I think compiz slows my system down, it takes a lot of memory for video
[15:05] <Diskdoc> http://pastebin.com/d68554645
[15:05] <Diskdoc> There's ps ux
[15:07] <iCEifer> okay, thought so, thanks :)
[15:07]  * charlie-tca :0
[15:08]  * charlie-tca :)
[15:33] <Diskdoc> Gnome-screensaver fails to start automatically as well..
[15:34] <Diskdoc> I wonder if there's some kind of timer problem with this laptop?
[15:34] <Diskdoc> Tried "sleep 3" though and it worked fine
[15:34] <Diskdoc> So does the clock
[16:15] <Diskdoc> Still no screensaver..
[16:28] <Diskdoc> Hmm.. I think I just figured out what stops the screensavers from activating
[16:28] <Diskdoc> Will need help to fix it though
[16:29] <cody-somerville> Diskdoc, what is it?
[16:31] <Diskdoc> The laptop here has a BIOS related problem - it keeps sending the key-event for sleep-mode although no key has been pressed.
[16:32] <Diskdoc> I "fixed" it by renaming the sleep script that comes with ACPI-utils (I think it was..)
[16:32] <Diskdoc> But I think the event is still being sent and perhaps the screensavers pick up on that activity
[16:32] <Diskdoc> Could be a tricky one to fix
[16:44] <Diskdoc> Need to find some way for the kernel to ignore a specific event
[17:48] <Carouselbeast> I recently installed Xubuntu 8.04 on my system, and I am now looking for a C++ editor and compilator. I have been using Bloodshed dev-cpp before, is there something like it for xubuntu ?
[18:05] <cody-somerville> Carouselbeast, hi
[18:06] <cody-somerville> Carouselbeast, Are you looking for just an editor or an entire IDE?
[18:06] <Carouselbeast> Entire IDE
[18:07] <cody-somerville> Anjunta isn't bad
[18:07] <Carouselbeast> cody-somerville: Anjunta? I'll check it out, thanks
[18:07] <cody-somerville> np :)
[18:23] <Carouselbeast> cody-somerville : Still there ?
[18:23]  * cody-somerville nods.
[18:24] <Carouselbeast> This might sound kind of stupid, but I'm not exactly sure on how to install things yet, with dependencies and so on
[18:25] <Carouselbeast> I downloaded Anjuta 2.4.2 from their website, and it's on my desktop in the form of a .tar.bz2 file
[18:25] <Carouselbeast> How do I go on from here
[18:25] <cody-somerville> Step 1:
[18:25] <cody-somerville> Delete what you downloaded :)
[18:25] <cody-somerville> Step 2:
[18:25] <Carouselbeast> Oh right
[18:25] <cody-somerville> Click applications > settings > add/remove
[18:26] <cody-somerville> Search for anjuta (you may have to select "All available applications" from the dropdown before it appears), check the box off, and click install
[18:26] <Carouselbeast> Oh
[18:26] <Carouselbeast> Is that it ?
[18:26] <cody-somerville> Yup :)
[18:26] <Carouselbeast> Do I find all the software I need with this ?
[18:26] <zoredache> most
[18:26] <Carouselbeast> Alright, thank you
[18:29] <cody-somerville> no problem :)
[18:37] <jimbo> hello, good morning!!!
[18:37] <jimbo> I have a probleme
[18:38] <cody-somerville> jimbo, tell us about it :)
[18:38] <jimbo> I have install xubuntu 8.04 but the display is wrong
[18:38] <cody-somerville> try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver -phigh
[18:38] <jimbo> sorry but i dont speak very well english
[18:39] <jimbo> the display is only 800x600 and 640x480
[18:40] <jimbo> my screen is incomplete
[18:42] <jimbo> anyone speack spanish
[18:42] <cody-somerville> !spanish
[18:42] <jimbo> cody-somerville: thank
[18:42] <jimbo> but thear no helpme
[18:46] <cody-somerville> jimbo, type this command in the terminal: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver -phigh
[18:48] <jimbo> cody-somerville: i dont have install xserver
[18:48] <cody-somerville> sorry
[18:48] <cody-somerville> xserver-xorg
[18:48] <jimbo> ok
[19:21] <SharKii> Does anyone have experience in creating a bootable usb install?:)
[19:43] <PriceChild> !install | SharKii
[20:01] <Carouselbeast> cody-somerville, another question ?
[20:01] <cody-somerville> :)
[20:03] <Carouselbeast> Firstly, do I need an external compiler ?
[20:03] <Carouselbeast> I mean, is there a compiler included in Anjuta
[20:05] <Carouselbeast> Secondly, it seems to be set to American Keyboard, can I change this ?
[20:05] <cody-somerville> I don't think anjuta pulls in a compiler automatically (although it does recommend it)
[20:05] <cody-somerville> I would install the build-essential package
[20:06] <Carouselbeast> Uh... ok
[20:07] <Carouselbeast> Do I find that too in Add/Remove ?
[20:11] <cody-somerville> Probably not
[20:11] <cody-somerville> You'll want to open up Applications > System > Synaptics
[20:12] <Carouselbeast> How would you do to install the build-essential package ?
[20:14] <cody-somerville> Open the Synaptic package manager by clicking Applications > System > Synaptic Package Manager
[20:14] <cody-somerville> Search for build-essential
[20:14] <cody-somerville> Check off box and click install
[20:15] <Carouselbeast> Alright, thank you. I am still kind of lost in xubuntu
[20:16] <cody-somerville> np
[20:19] <Carouselbeast> How do I switch keyboard layouts in xubuntu ?
[20:19] <Carouselbeast> Like Shift-Alt in Windows
[20:29] <cody-somerville> Carouselbeast, Right click panel, click add to panel
[20:29] <cody-somerville> There is a panel applet
[21:06] <Carouselbeast> Oh
[21:08] <Carouselbeast> There is only one choice however
[21:08] <Carouselbeast> en_US
[23:31] <Genelyk> Yeah