[00:02] apachelogger: they do but most debian people prefer not to install sudo in the first place [00:02] they are used to su [00:02] apachelogger: they have a kdesudo package, but not that well maintained [00:03] apachelogger: other distros are sing it (gentoo, archlinux...) [00:03] but not really debian [00:03] apachelogger: although that's really stupid, sysadmins don't really use sudo in fact... [00:05] I hate to write packages descriptions.... [00:05] especially when there is none written [00:15] * apachelogger is pretty freaked because he almost had a car accident due to a deer Oo [00:18] Does anyone have an example of a Python KCM? [00:19] And if not, is there some other way I could be lending a helping hand to Kubuntu? [00:20] papabean: checkout the guidance kcms [00:20] Have the guidance kcms been ported to KDE4 yet? [00:20] no idea [00:21] heh [00:21] because that's about where I am with jockey [00:21] otherwise kde4 integration is pretty tight [00:21] you lost me [00:22] Language Selector seems ready to go...someone else should check that. [00:22] except for turning it into a kcm. [00:22] The KDE4 spec said that jockey-kde needed porting to pykde4, and also systemsettings integration if possible [00:23] Jockey pretty much just needs review at this point + a kcm module [00:28] JontheEchidna: Just read the spec. Looks like there needs to be a wrapper to load python kcontrol modules. [00:45] oi oi who pingy pingy [00:45] * apachelogger pokes nixternal with the broken kdepim [00:46] * nixternal steps on kdepim [00:46] evolution ftw! [00:46] * nixternal pukes then dies [00:47] apachelogger: what's wrong with kdepim? [00:47] nixternal: everything possible is wrong [00:48] * apachelogger finally managed to get it build in proper shape after 6 hours of work [00:48] kdepim4? [00:48] nixternal: aye [00:48] I am actually wondering if kdebindings can actually still be worse than that [03:11] will there be kde3 packages in intrepid, for 'compatibility'? [03:12] or for those still wanting that version? [03:13] claydoh: No. [03:14] Those wanting KDE3 should stick with Hardy. [03:14] There will be KDE3 bits where needed, but no more than needed for stuff that hasn't been ported yet. [03:14] No KDE3 desktop. [03:15] cool, answers a forum question thanks [03:16] claydoh: My Kubuntu Intrepid slogan is, "The Intrepid Ibex, adventuring through the jungles of KDE4. In the jungle, some days you eat the tiger and some days the tiger eats you. Which will it be? Upgrade and find out." [03:16] heh. [03:16] It should be pretty exciting either way. [03:17] Heya crimsun. [03:17] 'lo ScottK- [03:18] So, we had some fun this weekend with our Flash 10 backport attempt. [03:18] ya, [03:18] Should be all back like it was now though. [03:18] I just rebuilt my dead system and installed 8.04.1 and just got bit by that [03:19] a week with a 233 mmx thinpad is no fun for some things :( [03:19] ;-) [03:19] but puppy linux is now my 2nd fave OS now :) [03:20] One is about all I can handle. [03:20] I only have 2 now [03:21] It's getting so I have trouble helping people with Windows now because it's been so long since I've used it. [03:21] ScottK-laptop: eh? what broke? [03:22] crimsun: For 64 bit, non-PA systems, very bad. [03:22] Not sure which of those factors was more important. [03:22] I stopped helping w/windows problems for the same reason [03:23] ScottK-laptop: huh. I just walked someone through it yesterday. [03:23] crimsun: As much as I know about it is in Bug 235125 - It was enough trouble I reverted it. [03:23] Launchpad bug 235125 in perlpanel "Please merge perlpanel 1:0.9.1+cvs20051225-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235125 [03:23] Bah. [03:23] Not that one [03:24] Bug 235135 [03:24] Launchpad bug 235135 in flashplugin-nonfree "[MASTER] Please backport flashplugin-nonfree version 10 beta and asound-plugins from Intrepid so we can drop libflashsupport and the crashes it causes" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235135 [03:24] That one. [03:24] (looking) [03:25] nixternal probably has some choice words on the subject too. [03:28] what does libflashsupport have to do with 525 (intrepid's latest flashplugin-nonfree)? [03:28] it's not even a recommends anymore [03:28] people don't get libflashsupport installed unless they explicitly did so by hand [03:29] part of the problem here is that different reporters experience conflicting symptoms [03:30] some people don't get sigsegvs with libflashsupport installed on 32-bit or 64-bit, some do [03:30] Yes. I decided it'd be better to troubleshoot without breaking some fraction of the installed base. [03:30] they shouldn't even have that lib installed, so we could forcibly Conflicts with that in flashplugin-nonfree [03:31] I don't pretend to understand at this point what went wrong, just that it wasn't good. [03:31] hi... was there some change that had something to do with font sizes in intrepid? [03:31] I couldn't make it sigsev on my Kubuntu i386. [03:31] Flash requires a crapload to be backported. I tried to make that clear. You'd have to backport alsa-lib and alsa-plugins, too [03:32] * ScottK-laptop should have waited and asked you. [03:32] * ScottK-laptop should have seen that gnomefreak didn't have a solid handle on the requirements. [03:33] well, to be fair, it's also because no one else seems to have a solid grasp of how deep the issue is [03:34] I'm trying to bring a couple other people up to speed so that stuff doesn't fall apart [03:34] Yes, please do. [03:35] Please let me NOT be one of the ones you bring up to speed. [03:44] nixternal: aw come on, it's an Adobe beta. I know the known issues portion of the release notes is lacking (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/releasenotes.html#known), but still - it's beta. It's going to blow more than usual. [03:44] now the interesting bit is figuring out how these folks got libflashsupport installed... [03:45] Although removing that didn't help nixternal any. [03:45] It was my impression that those of us on Kubuntu and not using PA by default still wanted it? [03:46] Although the impression was very vague. My laptop was Flash free until I had to test upgrading out of the problematic packages today. [03:47] it'd be more worthwhile to backport swfdec0.6. [03:48] no, definitely don't want libflashsupport [03:50] I don't think anyone has asked for that. === ScottK-laptop is now known as ScottK2 [05:46] mugginz__: did you get it figured out? [05:46] yuriy: Yep [05:47] I've uploaded the debdiff [05:47] what bug? [05:47] * vorian is awake atm === mugginz__ is now known as mugginz [05:49] * yuriy isn't, is exhausted [05:49] hehe [05:49] so many bugs, so little time [05:50] mugginz: thanks for working on this [05:50] no wories, now I'm onto a kmix/kmilo bug [05:51] vorian: bug 241916 [05:51] Launchpad bug 241916 in kdebase "Kde help index creation fails due to dash incompatability" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/241916 [05:51] :o [05:51] kmilo only works with Mixer0, so if ya have multiple sound cards it only will control the first one. [05:52] vorian: I'm also still looking for someone to test the patch in bug 243683 [05:52] Launchpad bug 243683 in kdelibs "paste function inserts double text" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243683 [05:52] * yuriy passes out [05:52] oh no! [05:52] hail [05:54] It doesn't seem to double paste for me [05:56] hmm not doing it right now either o_O. but just to make sure, KDE 4.0.5, and only in ktextedits (such as when editing the wiki) [05:56] oh woops that was firefox. umm yeah I should be sleeping [05:57] what time is it ova your neck of the woods? [05:58] 1am, but I was hiking today and have been up since 4:30am [05:59] My god. Your keen! [06:47] in the KubuntuIntrepidDefaults it has "In System Settings, move the Advanced items to the bottom of the main page, and remove the tabs. Use smaller text and enable word wrap. " <-- what is the benefit/point of this? === mzungu_ is now known as mzungu === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [10:51] Could someone try disabling the "allow uninvited connections to control the desktop" setting in krfb, and see whether it actually does anything? It doesn't work for me, but I'm running it from a script rather than kinetd. [14:35] <|gunni|> Does somebody know howto enable the filter box in konqueror KDE4? I miss this feature a lot. [15:18] apachelogger: halp! http://paste.ubuntu.com/27078/ can't build it in pbuilder :( [15:19] JontheEchidna: remove the configure from config.status [15:20] thanks [15:20] thankfully I don't have to download 50 MB of oxygen icons again >.> [15:25] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27079/ [15:25] uah [15:25] JontheEchidna: your tree isn't clean [15:26] there is cmakecache present from the non-pbuild environment [15:26] oh hey, there is... [15:27] That appears to be the only non-cleanness [15:27] ScottK2: the new updated flash in backports fixes every issue that I saw...thanks! [15:27] nixternal: Great. That just gets us back to square one, but progress. [15:36] apachelogger: CMake Error: The source directory "/tmp/buildd" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt. [15:37] Why is it looking for CMakeLists.txt there? [15:38] probably some fallback feature [15:38] like from cmake's pov you are currentl in a subdirectory of the build directory [15:38] as the direcory above contains the cache [15:39] assuming the build directory is a sub directory of the source directory that would be another level above [15:39] that's just a guess though ;-) [15:39] * apachelogger writes a script to update the l10n packages [15:40] Maybe I should just use cbds... [15:41] JontheEchidna: won't help since your source tree still is poluted with cmakecache files :P [15:41] no it isn't [15:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/27082/ [15:47] JontheEchidna: check the tarball [15:47] CMake Error: The current CMakeCache.txt directory /tmp/buildd/plasmoid-am4rok-0.5/CMakeCache.txt is different than the directory /home/jonathan/Documents/sauce/plasma-am4rok/plasmoid-am4rok-0.5 where CMackeCache.txt was created. This may result in binaries being created in the wrong place. If you are not sure, reedit the CMakeCache.txt [15:47] cmake usually ain't lying ;-) [15:48] maybe I forgot to rebuild the source package... === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi [16:00] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27084/ [16:11] some debhelper is missing [16:12] or maybe the semicolon at the line ends scrus something up [16:13] * apachelogger doesn't see anything else that could cause these troubles [16:13] JontheEchidna: remove 'em and try again [16:14] building now [16:15] er, well, pbuilder is doing it's stuff [16:15] don't know if it'll actually build now [16:15] meh [16:15] ./testimonial.rb:75:in `exe': undefined method `origFile' for # (NoMethodError) [16:18] apachelogger: lack of semicolons doesn't help :( [16:19] I can't say why [16:20] * JontheEchidna tries cbds [16:20] ah [16:20] hm [16:20] JontheEchidna: merge the cd and the cmake lines [16:20] I think the path restored for every line [16:21] ah, right [16:21] * JontheEchidna pbuilds again [16:26] apachelogger: We got farther! http://paste.ubuntu.com/27087/ [16:27] oops, forgot to merge the cd and make on the build target [16:29] Hmmm... Riddell on holidays? [16:37] apachelogger: The binary builds now, but it does some funky crap afterwards: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27089/ [16:37] is build.stamp supposed to try to build it again? [16:40] JontheEchidna: adding touch config.status to the end of the config.status target should prevent this [16:40] then again [16:40] I forgot all of that magic from all the cdbs stuff :P [16:40] cdbs is evil [16:47] apachelogger: that fixes that problem [16:48] forgot to merge the cd and make install lines though [16:52] apachelogger: It builds! [16:53] hooray [16:53] uploading to revu [16:54] I'll make the same changes to plasmoid-wifi and re-up it too. [16:55] Oh, but since the package name changed I guess they'll both show up as different packages [16:55] Guess the old ones should be archived? [17:05] JontheEchidna: archived [17:12] I'll run plasmoid-wifi through pbuilder and then upload it === hunger_t is now known as hunger [17:13] Anything I need to watch out for when upgrading to intrepid at this time? Besides the normal "may break your system" stuff that is... [17:14] you may have problems getting a usable X environment with proprietary nvidia drivers [17:17] JontheEchidna: Thanks. I am using free ati drivers, so I should be save there. [17:18] Great. Aptitude wants to deinstall kubuntu-desktop:-( [17:19] Hmmm... looks like a upgrade from hardy to intrepid is not really straight forward at this time:-| [17:20] apachelogger: uploaded plasmoid-wifi, please archive plasma-wifi [17:24] afternoon [17:31] I think the lack of tabs in nautilus has fried the gnomies' brains. [17:31] Now they're adding tabs everywhere [17:34] * JontheEchidna will be afk for 15 mins [17:37] * hunger grumbles that updating anything x-related with aptitude will result in kubuntu-desktop getting deinstalled:-( [17:38] afternoond vorian [17:40] afternoond to you too jpds :) [17:41] i think ktorrent-kde4 needs an sru [17:41] Torrent stuff always seems to need an SRU. === ScottK-laptop is now known as ScottK2 [17:42] :) [17:47] morning [17:47] Good afternoon. [17:48] Isn't it afternoon for you too yuriy? [17:49] yuriy: Did you like my mail on Guidance triage? [17:52] ScottK2: it is afternoon, but I had a long day yesterday [17:52] Fair enough. [17:52] ScottK2: yeah, that sounds good [17:54] Anyone here have a moment to help with with a simple (for someone who knows kde/qt) patch? [17:54] mhb did it for me a Prague, but then didn't send me the patch and I've given up. [17:55] I could give it a try [17:55] Great. [17:55] The package is klamav. [17:55] If you install it/run it, I'll show you what needs changed. [17:59] ok running it, there's a wizard [17:59] Just take the defaults on that. [17:59] On the right, near the top, you'll see a box for 'options'. [17:59] Click on that. [17:59] k [18:00] There is a section called auto scan. [18:00] It needs to go away as upstream removed the auto scan functionality without removing the U/I for it. [18:00] ah, OK [18:00] It doesn't hurt if it's still there invisible, just needs to not appear in that list to click on. [18:01] I managed to get rid of the rest of the auto scan u/i, but got stuck on that. [18:11] ScottK2: I think you just need to comment out the addPage line [18:12] line 64 in configdialog.cpp [18:13] yuriy: Thanks. I'll have a look. === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK-laptop [18:18] yuriy: Building now. If it works, how do you want to be credited in debian/changelog? [18:34] don't terribly care, it's one '#' :P [18:34] err '//' [18:34] too much python [18:34] heh [18:34] * JontheEchidna packages more plasmoids [18:35] 3rd party plasmoids are getting more common now [18:41] yuriy: Looks like that did it. Thanks. [18:41] Dunno why I didn't find that before. [19:11] nixternal: What do you think about Bug #239451? [19:11] Launchpad bug 239451 in cmake "ccmake missing?" [Unknown,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/239451 [19:14] If anyone's available, revus please: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=plasmoid-previewer [19:14] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=plasmoid-weather [19:15] yuriy: Uploaded to Debian. Thanks again. [19:26] * vorian takes a peek at plasmoid-previewer [19:31] They're both nice plasmoids [19:31] JontheEchidna: in copyright [19:31] /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2 [19:32] rather than /usr/share/common-lecenses/GPL ? [19:33] it's gpl 2, and it's missing the full text of the copyright :( [19:33] (in the source package) [19:33] Ah, right. [19:34] Oh, I forgot the author email, didn't I? [19:34] I don't know :P [19:34] You must have a full copy of $LICENSE in the source package or you'll get rejected by the archive admins. [19:34] yes, please email upstream [19:34] Oh, it needs a copy of GPL itself. [19:34] I usually attatch the correct COPYING file [19:34] gotcha [19:35] copy of GPL-2, actually [19:37] Is KDE4 GPL v3 or GPL V2 and later? [19:40] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/COPYING?revision=760422&view=markup [19:45] ScottK: KDE 4 is going to evolve to 'GPL 2 + 3 or any later approved by the e.V.' [19:46] OK. As long as it's 2+, then it's OK, but if it goes to just 3, then I expect GPK v2 plasmoids will be problematic [19:46] ScottK: well, it really depends on parts anyway [19:46] like all of kdelibs is LGPL IIRC [19:46] yuriy: I gave you credit anyway: http://incoming.debian.org/klamav_0.44-1_i386.changes [19:47] If it's LGPL, then it should be fine. [19:47] hm [19:47] oh [19:47] gnome3 [19:47] lovely [19:47] It's just a young project trying to play version number catch up. [19:48] [12:31:28] I think the lack of tabs in nautilus has fried the gnomies' brains. [19:48] [12:31:37] Now they're adding tabs everywhere [19:48] * vorian tabs JontheEchidna [19:48] D: [19:48] * apachelogger doesn't like tabs for most usecases [19:48] Well that's what Gnome3 is [19:48] according to planet.gnome.org [19:48] I think it's mostly a joke [19:48] Nightrose: btw, if you push out super annoying promotion for amarok 2.0.0 and deliver windows and mac binaries you can take down the internet [19:49] i want composite back please [19:49] "KDE has clocks, Gnome 3 has tabs" [19:49] * apachelogger just made himself some new composite [19:49] intel++ [19:49] apachelogger: ;-) [19:49] which card? [19:49] yuriy: at least clocks are useful :P [19:49] apachelogger: btw are you going to blog about kubuntu packages for amarok? [19:49] vorian: none at all, that is the point of intel ;-) [19:49] 965 or something [19:49] erm [19:50] that's mine too [19:50] haha [19:50] * apachelogger starts dancing to his vis in amarok [19:50] oh [19:50] right [19:50] there is no :P [19:50] * apachelogger pokes NickNak [19:50] By the way, has any considering been done for default plasmoids in Intrepid? [19:50] * apachelogger pokes Nightrose and well and goes over to kill some quassel devs [19:50] that autocompletion is ripping my mind out [19:51] ;-) [19:51] * JontheEchidna cowers behind Konversation/KDE3 [19:51] JontheEchidna: I honestly don't want to touch plasma-appletsrc anymore [19:51] the kioskibility of plasma [19:51] heh [19:51] is [19:51] not existing [19:51] oh [19:51] JontheEchidna: why not set it on the agenda for the next meeting? [19:51] actually kiosk + plasma is worse then kdepim packaging [19:52] Nightrose: Where do I do that? [19:52] in the wiki [19:52] that said [19:52] JontheEchidna: are you kubuntu member yet? [19:52] JontheEchidna: sec [19:52] apachelogger: Nope [19:52] apply for that as well then [19:52] Ok! [19:52] JontheEchidna: and get vorian to review the plasmoids [19:53] JontheEchidna: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [19:53] hm [19:53] Nightrose: thx [19:53] yw [19:54] Hmm, doesn't seem updated since the last meeting, \o/ [19:54] go ahead then [19:55] oh [19:55] actually [19:55] I wanted to request a meeting for something anyway [19:55] but since I forgot about it... [19:55] checkout my latest invention: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/testimonial.rb [19:56] ooh, what's it do? [19:56] updating l10n packages [19:57] nice [19:58] JontheEchidna: plasmoid-weather is GPL v3 [19:58] Nightrose: amarok is b0rked [19:58] how? [19:58] doesn't start [19:58] oO [19:58] svn? [19:58] neon? [19:58] aye [19:58] apachelogger: When's the next meeting going to be? [19:59] oh [19:59] now it does [19:59] Nightrose: apparently my sycoca was just too old [19:59] ok [19:59] JontheEchidna: whenever the Riddell comes back ... usually they happen on wed or sat [19:59] k [20:00] Nightrose: nice current track thingy [20:00] reminds me on something [20:00] :) [20:00] looks like my taskbar [20:00] ahhh [20:00] done by a friend of Liw [20:00] hehe [20:00] amarok stole my taskbar :P [20:00] :P [20:00] Nightrose: that thingy should adapt to the color scheme really [20:01] jep jep - nhn has got it on his todo according to his last blog entry [20:01] sebr also did another applet [20:01] vorian: reuploading [20:01] showing albums by the current artist [20:01] well [20:01] roger [20:01] does not [20:01] man, that svg is huge [20:02] Nightrose: and they don't scale enough [20:02] ? [20:02] when you make the cv bigger? [20:02] that is on purpose [20:03] Liw is working on colums [20:03] Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot048.png [20:03] Nightrose: yes, but not at this size [20:04] that is almost 1:1:1 [20:04] JontheEchidna: these plasmoids are not werking :/ [20:04] vorian: did you run kbuildsycoca4 after install? [20:04] Currently you have to do that or log out/back in [20:07] * JontheEchidna is assuming that the plasmoids aren't showing up in the add widgets thingy [20:11] or did it switch back to kbuildsycoca in Intrepid? [20:12] JontheEchidna: nada [20:12] :/ [20:12] Wonder what's wrong... [20:13] cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` [20:14] JontheEchidna: kde renamed it to kdebuildsycoca, so there ain't any switching back [20:15] *kbuildsycoca4 [20:16] Oh. I had it set to /usr [20:16] JontheEchidna: it is /usr in intrepid?! [20:16] apachelogger: I guess? [20:17] so what is the "Oh" about? :P [20:17] vorain said it was cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` [20:18] well that is going to end up in /usr as well [20:18] :o [20:19] Then I wonder what's wrong... [20:19] * apachelogger hates bash quite the much [20:19] * JontheEchidna reuploaded with the kde4-config bit [20:19] Nightrose: did markey already suggest to exchange bash with irb? ... if not you might suggest him to suggest it to someone [20:19] should be available in a bit I guess [20:19] :P [20:20] ah [20:20] I have an awesome idea [20:20] I guess [20:20] don't you always ;-) [20:20] ? [20:21] hm [20:21] true [20:21] * apachelogger hands Nightrose a cookie [20:21] * Nightrose munches the cookie [20:28] vorian: Ok, latest try should be available now [20:39] oi oi oi [20:41] Is oi oi oi good or bad? :P [20:41] just trying a few things here [20:49] Is there no #kubuntu+1? [20:52] vorian: Could you check to see if plasma_applet_weather.so is in /usr/lib/kde4/? [20:53] it's not [20:54] the .desktop is not in usr/share/kde4/services/ either [20:55] hmm [20:55] The package built ok in pbuilder, so I don't know what's wrong [20:55] did it install fine? [20:58] lemme paste the pbuilder build log in pastebin quickly [20:59] i got it to build fine as well [21:00] http://paste.ubuntu.com/27120/ [21:00] sometimes those blasted packages dont' .install like you want them to [21:00] I know this did work in Hardy with a slightly different rules file [21:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/27122/ <- old one [21:29]