[00:16] <chi> hello
[00:17] <richiefrich> ok why is there no icon to install this OS? i booted into the special graphics
[00:17] <richiefrich> cause i have a VIA
[00:17] <richiefrich> whats the script to install it
[00:18] <richiefrich> anyone please
[00:18] <richiefrich> 0o
[00:18] <richiefrich> it is gutsy 7.10
[00:18] <richiefrich> i need it for llinuxmce
[00:21] <dr_Willis> should be an icon on the desktop called 'install'
[00:22] <aakash_> there should be an icon from the LIve CD -- Named: Install
[00:22] <aakash_> Beat me, :(
[00:22] <dr_Willis> 8.04 is the latest. - but I dont use Linuxmce.  Id hope that Linuxmce has updated to support 8.04
[00:22] <richiefrich> dr_Willis: not there
[00:22] <richiefrich> dr_Willis: can mi run it from the termainl
[00:22] <dr_Willis> look under the couch. :)
[00:22] <richiefrich> doe you know the name of the script
[00:22] <dr_Willis> I normally install with the alternative installer cd.
[00:22] <smarty> you should be able to install without having to need to use the Live CD
[00:22] <smarty> *Live portion
[00:23] <richiefrich> how
[00:23] <smarty> when you boot
[00:23] <smarty> what options to you have
[00:23] <richiefrich> install / specail graphics
[00:23] <BenPa85> hi guys, please can someone help me with updating my kde (4.0.3) version?
[00:23] <richiefrich> and some other options
[00:23] <richiefrich> but nothing about installing from command line like gentoo
[00:24] <richiefrich> i know ubuntu has a script
[00:24] <smarty> hmm
[00:24] <richiefrich> doesnt kubuntu have one
[00:24] <richiefrich> 0o
[00:24] <smarty> im not sure now
[00:24] <richiefrich> i see the icon on youtube
[00:24] <richiefrich> but i dont have one
[00:24] <richiefrich> one my desktop
[00:24] <richiefrich> on
[00:24] <smarty> did you burn the CD yourself?
[00:25] <richiefrich> it took 45 mins to bot
[00:25] <richiefrich> boot
[00:25] <richiefrich> i did
[00:25] <smarty> try installing another ISO image
[00:25] <richiefrich> i burned two
[00:25] <smarty> hmm
[00:25] <richiefrich> there were no errors
[00:25] <richiefrich> i wanted to get linuxmce to install
[00:26] <richiefrich> there are no packages in gentoo for that m
[00:26] <richiefrich> or arch
[00:26] <richiefrich> those are what i use normally
[00:26] <richiefrich> so no clue?
[00:26] <smarty> not from what I can see
[00:27] <smarty> Im looking it up though
[00:27] <richiefrich>   ok
[00:27] <richiefrich> ty
[00:27] <smarty> Np
[00:29] <BenPa85> can someone tell me what to do, for update kde?
[00:30] <richiefrich> smarty: ubiquity is what they said in #ubuntu
[00:30] <richiefrich> smarty: might there be a kubiquity
[00:30] <richiefrich> or is it still ubiquity
[00:32] <crimsun> ubiquity-frontend-kde
[00:33] <richiefrich> crimsun: ok
[00:36] <BenPa85> no one? :(
[00:37] <crimsun> BenPa85: for 8.04?
[00:38] <richiefrich> BenPa85: sure
[00:38] <richiefrich> BenPa85: apt-get
[00:38] <crimsun> http://www.kubuntu.org/node/29
[00:39] <xiaobo> you ren zai bu?
[00:40] <xiaobo> shu ru fa ze me ann zhuang?
[00:40] <crimsun> xiaobo: ubuntu-zh
[00:59] <oscar> hola hay alguien ahi?
[00:59] <richiefrich> crimsun: my VIA is so slow
[01:00] <oscar> alguien sabe como  buscar mas servidores, soy nuevo aki
[01:01] <oscar> somebody speak spanish?
[01:04] <BenPa85> richiefrich: sry, was afk, which parameters for apt-get?
[01:04] <richiefrich> ahh you can just apt-get update
[01:04] <BenPa85> my kde was broken, I've ran "apt-get install kde4"
[01:04] <richiefrich> ahh you can just apt-get upgrade
[01:05] <BenPa85> k, I'll try
[01:05] <richiefrich> there is  distro-update   or upgrade
[01:05] <richiefrich> im not sure
[01:06] <BenPa85> both work, but it says there is nothing to update
[01:06] <BenPa85> how can I check the kde version?
[01:06] <richiefrich> you caan with like dpkg
[01:06] <richiefrich> i forget i think dpkg -i
[01:06] <richiefrich> :\
[01:08] <richiefrich> BenPa85: you can -> man dpkg
[01:08] <BenPa85> ah k, thx
[01:08] <richiefrich> and see what the options are
[01:08] <Bahaa> may I ask a technical question ?
[01:08] <chi> how to fix my ubuntu?
[01:08] <richiefrich> 0o\
[01:08] <BenPa85> richiefrich: I is for info
[01:09] <richiefrich> there you go
[01:09] <richiefrich> info on a package
[01:09] <richiefrich> chi: why is it going so SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
[01:09] <richiefrich> i love VIA
[01:09] <Bahaa> can I download ubuntu then download KDE from its site, to make Kubuntu
[01:09] <chi> no it is move funny
[01:09] <Bahaa> ?
[01:09] <BenPa85> richiefrich: THX :)
[01:09] <richiefrich> sure can
[01:10] <richiefrich> BenPa85: use apt-get
[01:10] <richiefrich> err
[01:10] <richiefrich> Bahaa:
[01:10] <Bahaa> is it a download program ?
[01:10] <richiefrich> Bahaa: apt-get to install kde
[01:10] <chi> my ubuntu mous is no work
[01:10] <Bahaa> aha
[01:11] <richiefrich> chi: and i hear your install is sllow
[01:11] <richiefrich> slow
[01:11] <chi> for plese help to fix ubuntu mouse
[01:11] <richiefrich> 0o
[01:11] <Bahaa> and how can I make ubuntu support my language
[01:11] <Bahaa> ?
[01:12] <richiefrich>  /c
[01:17] <BenPa85> richiefrich: I've looked into adept-manager which tells me that installed version is 3.3 is this the actual version?
[01:20] <j1luis> Hola
[01:20] <j1luis> como estan??
[01:22] <BenPa85> can someone tell me where firefox is installed from adept?
[01:22] <j1luis> hola
[01:22] <j1luis> hi
[01:22] <BenPa85> I'm trying to install flash-player but can't find the right directory ...
[01:22] <j1luis> yes
[01:22] <BenPa85> j1luis: hi
[01:23] <richiefrich> BenPa85: it would seem so
[01:23] <j1luis> firefox installed for adept
[01:23] <BenPa85> richiefrich: thx :)
[01:23] <j1luis> ok
[01:23] <j1luis> where installing aplications for konsole??
[01:24] <BenPa85> ah sh** sorry guys, i've installed it without adept, now i've found :)
[01:24] <ubuntu_> $ sudo apt-get install "aplication"
[01:25] <BenPa85> ubuntu_: thx
[01:29] <richiefrich> :)
[01:42] <UberTaco> hey, for some reason my vanilla Kubuntu 8.04 install doesn't have katapault
[01:42] <UberTaco> and I can't just apt-get install it
[01:42] <UberTaco> nor can I find it in Adept. Has it been removed from the standard repos?
[01:43] <dr_Willis> !find katapult
[01:43] <dr_Willis> !info katapult
[01:43] <dr_Willis> its in main.
[01:43] <UberTaco> nevermind,
[01:43] <UberTaco> I spelled it wrong.
[01:43] <UberTaco> or rather, right
[01:43] <UberTaco> heh
[01:44] <UberTaco> thanks anyways
[01:44] <dr_Willis> :)
[01:44] <j1luis> hi
[01:45] <j1luis> where instaling progran with konsole??
[01:45] <j1luis> please
[01:45] <dr_Willis> !apt-get
[01:45] <dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install WHATEVERYOUWANTTOINSTALL
[01:45] <dr_Willis> :)
[01:45] <j1luis> ok
[01:45] <dr_Willis> ie: --> sudo apt-get install cowsay
[01:46] <j1luis> dowunload the program?
[01:46] <j1luis> downoad the program?
[01:46] <j1luis> dowunload
[01:46] <dr_Willis> downloading has nothing to do with it...
[01:46] <j1luis> download
[01:46] <j1luis> ok
[01:46] <dr_Willis> the package manager will download/install the proper packages. :)
[01:46] <dr_Willis> Unless you want to rephrase the question/clarify what you are trying to do.
[01:48] <j1luis> ok
[01:48] <j1luis> thank
[01:49] <j1luis> and with apt-get?
[01:49] <dr_Willis> What about it?
[01:57] <marion> Hi
[02:03] <j1luis> dr Willis
[02:03] <dr_Willis> Howdy martijn81
[02:03] <j1luis> for installing limewire
[02:04] <dr_Willis> j1luis,  it dosent do a lot of good to just say someones name in irc. :)
[02:04] <dr_Willis> !frostwire
[02:04] <bobJR> .
[02:04] <dr_Willis> use frostwire instead of limewire.
[02:04] <j1luis> ok
[02:05] <j1luis> ok
[02:05] <j1luis> Since I install it? For apt-get or adept??
[02:06] <dr_Willis> For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[02:06] <dr_Willis> I beluive its in the medibuntu repositorys also.
[02:08] <j1luis> ok
[02:10] <afeijo> where can I found volume control on kde4?
[02:23] <mofux> hi, i have hardy running with a radeon 9600 + fglrx driver + xserver-xgl and video / scrolling of internetpages is kinda slow, when i try to remove xserver-xgl all i get is a white screen when i log back in to gnome... i couldn't find anything usefull on the net yet, could you guys maybe point me?
[02:24] <mofux> same goes for kde4
[02:44] <kjetil1001> trying to install kububtu on a toshiba satellite. Litte progress. can that be done?
[02:45] <filo1234> hello i have installed kpowersave, but at reboot start kpowersave and other battery status icon too
[02:45] <filo1234> how is the name of power status battery
[02:46] <filo1234> i want only kpowersave active
[02:55] <psyco> Is it poissible to defragment my hd in linux?
[02:56] <Agent_bob> what fs ?
[02:57] <Agent_bob> and why do you think it needs it ?
[02:57]  * mr---t- though that was not needed inlinux
[02:57] <Agent_bob> mr---t- generally it's not.
[02:58] <Agent_bob> i have seen ext# fs with as high as 5% noncontiguous   but that is very rare
[02:59] <psyco> Oh, well I have a diablo 2 error in wine and one of the solutions is to defragment
[02:59] <crimsun> I don't think it's terribly rare
[02:59] <crimsun> I have about 6% fragmentation on /, but that's in part due to carrying this over from Debian Potato
[02:59] <DamienG> Hi
[02:59] <Agent_bob> crimsun what i usually see is .3 to .5 %
[03:00] <DamienG> I was wondering if it's okay to delete boson_crash reports from my home folder
[03:00] <cinex> psyco: you dont need to
[03:00] <psyco> Alright then.
[03:00] <cinex> windows is very sloppy when it saves files. it 'spits them' at the drive. its designed to speed things up
[03:00] <crimsun> Agent_bob: I'd say somewhere between 2-3% is not unusual for installs having seen at least three Ubuntu dist-upgrades
[03:00] <cinex> but int he end slows it down. thats why you need to defragment
[03:00]  * mr---t- thats what i thought
[03:01] <Agent_bob> crimsun yeah but 5 is double that ...
[03:01] <cinex> linux stores them properly
[03:01] <psyco> Anyone here played diablo and got the erro:
[03:02] <psyco> :Diablo 2 Unhandled Exception: Access_violation (c0000005)
[03:02] <tony_> hi all
[03:03] <tony_> im new to using kubuntu
[03:03] <tony_> i need some help please any one up for giving a new guy a hand?
[03:04] <Agent_bob> tony_ it's the second door on the left, down the hall there...  ->
[03:04] <Agent_bob> tony_ i mean stop asking for help, and explain what the issue is,
[03:06] <mr---t-> you scared him
[03:06] <Agent_bob> i guess so...
[03:06] <Agent_bob> !ask
[03:07] <tony_> oh ok ill just ask away
[03:07] <tony_> im having problems with trying to connect to my wifi
[03:07] <Agent_bob> !wifi
[03:08] <Agent_bob> tony_ first visit that page and see if the answer is already spelled out for you   ^
[03:08] <tony_> it can find the wifi but can not connect
[03:08] <Agent_bob> if not we'll see if we can find one.
[03:08] <tony_> i put in my wep key but it just dont want to connect
[03:09] <Agent_bob> mr---t-  do you think he is typing and not reading... ?
[03:09] <mr---t-> possibly
[03:10] <tony_> oops sorry i did not look at the screen.......my bad
[03:10] <Agent_bob> :)
[03:11] <mr---t->  :-P
[03:11] <Agent_bob> tony_ it's ok.   and welcome to #kubuntu  by the way.
[03:12] <tony_> thx agent_bob
[03:12] <tony_> its my first day using it :)
[03:12] <mr---t-> many common issues have detailed instructions on the link bob provided if that doesn't help someone will still be here
[03:13] <tony_> ok mr----t just reading it now :)
[03:13] <mr---t->  :-)
[03:14] <asobi> got firefox 3, klipper and addons don't work
[03:14] <filo1234> wich is the name of power manager on kubuntu hardy kde 3.5??
[03:15] <Agent_bob> tony_ not trying to distract your attention, nor discurage you in any way.   but, the best way to learn linux, is to forget every thing you think you know about computers and start from zero.   it saves time and things make much more sense if you don't aproach them from an M$ mentality.
[03:16] <Agent_bob> just a word to the wise.
[03:16] <filo1234> wich is the name of power manager battery_status on kubuntu hardy kde 3.5??
[03:16] <mr---t-> Agent_bob:  are you on a lappy?
[03:17] <tony_> agent_bob i will try my best
[03:18] <martijn81> filo1234: kpowersave?
[03:19] <martijn81> i am on sidux so i do not know
[03:19] <filo1234> martijn81:  nope i want use kpowersave, but at reboot start default power manager too
[03:19]  * mr---t- doesn't use power management, on a desktop
[03:19] <Agent_bob> mr---t- yes and no.  why ?
[03:19] <mits> did anyone install intrepid and get very small default fonts?
[03:20] <esterichia_coli> h
[03:20] <filo1234> mr---t-:  i have a lap_top
[03:20] <Agent_bob> mr---t- i was looking for a kde app with apm or power in it's name but dont see one...
[03:20] <mr---t-> I'm desktop only so I don't know about power saving
[03:20] <Agent_bob> mits i installed dapper and got very small fonts   default = 8
[03:21] <martijn81> Agent_bob: why dapper when we have an 8.04 LTS?
[03:21] <Agent_bob> martijn81 cause it was two years ago
[03:21] <mr---t-> he he
[03:22] <mits> i just installed intrepid and the default general font is dejavu sans 9... but i think on hardy 9 is the default too...
[03:22] <mits> changed it to 12 on intrepid to get the same size
[03:23] <Agent_bob> mits hmm at least they up'd one.   but that's still to small for a default.  imo default fonts should be at least 11
[03:24] <Agent_bob> i generally set my fonts to 14  i can zome out if needed
[03:24] <mits> Agent_bob: so maybe on my other installs the fonts look too large for their size number :D
[03:25] <Agent_bob> mits that's entirely possable   and would also explain why the defaults get set so low.   perhaps the guy setting them had the same problem with font rendering.   (displaying too large)
[03:25] <di48lo> why is my kde missing menus in kubuntu?
[03:26] <Agent_bob> di48lo kde3 or kde4 ?
[03:27] <mits> probably... weird though... didn't notice something like that in any previous install (even intrepid alpha 1 i check out some days ago)
[03:27] <Agent_bob> di48lo in kde3 a lot of stuff is hidden in the default kmenu    you can run "kmenuedit" and dehide them.
[03:29] <Agent_bob> mits heh i have literally held up a magnifying glass in fernt of the monitor to see how to initially configure things, because the deafult fonts were too small to read.   no joke.
[03:29] <Agent_bob> front
[03:30] <mits> hehe same thing on that install :D
[03:30]  * mr---t- uses kmag
[03:30] <Agent_bob> mr---t- but how do you find it ?
[03:30] <Agent_bob> have to find it to use it...
[03:31] <mr---t-> I pnig it sonar!
[03:31] <mr---t-> ping^
[03:31] <Agent_bob> oh the ole' alt+f2 way...  got it...
[03:32] <mr---t-> he he
[03:37] <Agent_bob> woe!  /usr/bin/klaptop_acpi_helper  has a switch "--toshibalcd"   </blinks>
[03:38] <Agent_bob> but no man page :(
[03:43] <Agent_bob> what is  kpm ?
[03:44] <cinex> k package manager (im guessing)
[03:44] <cinex> kde package manager (im guessing)
[03:44] <Agent_bob> or power manager ?
[03:44] <cinex> google it man
[03:44] <cinex> ya
[03:44] <cinex> sounds good
[03:44] <cinex> lol
[03:45] <Agent_bob> would be easier to start it than google it...
[03:45] <cinex> Definition: kpm: Process manager for KDE This is a process manager (top + ps and all) for KDE
[03:45] <cinex> who won ?
[03:46] <Agent_bob> process manager
[03:46] <Agent_bob> won ?
[03:46] <cinex> muahahah
[03:46] <cinex> and my net crawls at seriously low speeds
[03:46] <Agent_bob> won what ?
[03:46] <cinex> i did
[03:46] <cinex> in finding out what it was
[03:47]  * Agent_bob wonders who won in finding out what it was...  seeing that he asked cinex and cinex went to the web for him....
[03:48] <cinex> hmmmmmmm
[03:49] <cinex> That's not cricket!
[03:50]  * mr---t- thinks cricket is a noisey bug at night
[03:51] <Agent_bob> mr---t- :)
[03:51] <Agent_bob> indeed
[03:53] <smarty> hi - is there a a way you can adjust the startup programs
[03:53] <cinex> yep
[03:54] <cinex> in the kde enviroment or server type programs ?
[03:54] <smarty> kde4
[03:54] <cinex> there is a directory: ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:54] <cinex> erm
[03:54] <cinex> ~/.kde4/Autostart
[03:54] <cinex> you can put shortcuts and scripts in there to run when you log in
[03:55] <cinex> it should be documented in the khelp
[03:55] <smarty> ok, let me check it out
[03:55] <smarty> one sec
[03:55] <smarty> thanks by the way
[03:56] <Agent_bob> !autostart
[03:56] <tony_> Agent_bob I still can not get it working :(
[03:57] <Agent_bob> tony_ ok  you'll probably need to pastebin the output of "lspci -nn "   and ask for help with your specific wifi card,   unfortunately i'm no good with wifi / or network in general.  i'm just the cli / disk and file systems guy.
[03:58] <Agent_bob> can someone help tony_ with wifi please.
[03:58] <cinex> whats wrong with the wifi ?
[03:58] <cinex> i can set up wifi
[03:58] <mr---t-> !pastebin
[03:59] <Agent_bob> cinex he said that "<tony_> it can find the wifi but can not connect <tony_> i put in my wep key but it just dont want to connect "
[03:59] <smarty> cinex: when I try to go through Konsole (cd .kde -> sudo gedit Autostart) I get the following mesasge
[03:59] <smarty> Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again
[04:00] <cinex> ~/.kde4/A <tab>
[04:00] <Agent_bob> smarty don't use sudo for that, use kdesu and you probably don't have gedit  use kedit or kate
[04:00] <cinex> kde 4 has .kde4 not .kde
[04:00] <Agent_bob> smarty also you can't edit a dirrectory
[04:00] <smarty> that would make sense :)
[04:00] <cinex> tony_: must you use wep ????
[04:00] <smarty> sorry, im a noob
[04:00] <cinex> I have never got wep to work
[04:01] <cinex> but it might be possible to set it up with the iwconfig command
[04:01] <Agent_bob> !kdesu | smarty there are good reasons not to use sudo for gui apps
[04:01] <cinex> wpa2 works well easy.
[04:01] <tony_> in knetwork manager it shows my wifi then it asks for my wep passphrase if i type it in here nothing happens
[04:02] <smarty> It says command not found : kdesudo Autostart
[04:02] <White_Pelican> I'm interested in installing skype. It's not in the repositories as you know. I am running Hary Heron. There is a deb on the skype web site for version 7.04. Can I still use it?
[04:02] <smarty> oh wait
[04:02] <cinex> smarty: do ls ~/.kde4/
[04:02] <Agent_bob> smarty :)
[04:02] <White_Pelican> hardy*
[04:02] <smarty> cinex: ok
[04:02] <Agent_bob> cinex he doesn't want to execute the dir either
[04:03] <Agent_bob> cinex "<smarty> It says command not found : kdesudo Autostart " <<< Autostart is not a command. it's a dir  :)
[04:03] <smarty> OH
[04:04] <smarty> nothin in that dir
[04:04] <cinex> ya. u put shortcuts (like .desktop files)  in it
[04:04] <cinex> and scripts
[04:04] <cinex> so they run at boot
[04:04] <tony_> cinex yeah its my security so no one else can access my wifi
[04:04] <Agent_bob> i'll repost the link smarty.   http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html
[04:04] <smarty> Ok
[04:04] <cinex> yeah but tony_ can u change the format to wpa2 ?
[04:04] <cinex> or is it wep only
[04:05] <mr---t-> wep is not very secure any way
[04:05] <smarty> tony_ -- what kind of router do you have -- i had the same issue but resolved it
[04:05] <Agent_bob> it's like most "locks" it will only keep an honest person honest
[04:05] <White_Pelican> is anyone going to answer my question?
[04:05] <smarty> You may have to change the type of key (in the kmanager) to WEP with 128 Hex or ASCII
[04:05] <mr---t-> yes but omly 64 bit
[04:06] <cinex> White_Pelican: sorry. go to the website
[04:06] <cinex> they have a linux version
[04:06] <tony_> no the other option is web 40/104-bit hex.......and if i try to type any thing in there it does not give me the option to connect
[04:07] <tony_> smarty its a belkin n1
[04:08] <Agent_bob> Q if anyone thinks they know...    is it better for the battery in a lappy to keep it fully charged as much as possable,  or to completely discharge / recharge it often ?
[04:08] <tony_> smarty is that in the knetwork manager?
[04:08] <mr---t-> depends on the type of battery
[04:09] <mr---t-> ni-cads ,nimh, li-ion
[04:10] <smarty> try both
[04:10] <smarty> WEP 40/104-bit hex and ASCII
[04:10] <smarty> I see,
[04:10] <mr---t-> Agent_bob: what type of battery
[04:11] <tony_> smarty i have tryed them both and both dont give me the option to connect
[04:11] <Agent_bob> mr---t-   <sheepishly>   " a laptop battery "  </sheepishly>
[04:12] <mr---t-> it will say on the battery and sometimes on the charger, ni-cad , nimh, lith-ion ect
[04:12] <mr---t-> they behave differently
[04:12] <Agent_bob> without pulling the battery it says nothing.  i looked before you asked.
[04:13] <Agent_bob> and i was trying to find something in the manual..   but it would obviously be faster to use linux to identify the batterey
[04:13] <mr---t-> well then if it's ni-cad they develope a "memory" so it's best to kill them dead between charges...
[04:15] <mr---t-> if it's nimh not so much but they do still tend to develope a shoter life cycle if charged when not needed...
[04:15] <Agent_bob> mr---t- lshw says           description: Lithium Ion Battery
[04:16] <tmbg> lithium ions battery don't develop much of a memory
[04:16] <tmbg> so you can keep it topped off if you like.
[04:16] <Agent_bob> so do they last longer one way or the other ?
[04:16] <mr---t-> ah the best (imo) option , has nearly no memory characteristics but I would still not worry about keeping it charged as they have charging circiuts to prevent over charging
[04:16]  * Agent_bob is more interested in total years than charge cycle timming
[04:17] <mr---t-> thats my point if they develope shorter cycles every charge they have a shorter life
[04:19] <mr---t-> all batteries have some (even a little) memory problem where as if you charge them before they are dead that becomes the new dead point
[04:20]  * Agent_bob doubts the integrety of that statement.   think lead acid
[04:20] <mr---t-> batteries are made to be cycled , max life (imo) is to run dead or nearly so between charges
[04:21] <Agent_bob> if you tried to apply that theory to a lead acid battery you would drasticly shorten it's total life
[04:21] <mr---t-> Agent_bob: it's not real computer type memory , it's a term used in batteries as in a new remembered dead point at a shorter cycle
[04:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> Agent_bob: what did you use with lshw to find out the battery type?  i grep'd for description and got nothing about a battery at all
[04:22] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Laptop use with ?   nothing,  just  lshw as root
[04:22] <mr---t-> yes but I don't think lead acid  have been used in lappys
[04:23] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Laptop you could specify   -C battery
[04:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> mr---t-: thank you captain obvious.  that was a big problem with NiCad, it's barely a problem anymore if at all with Lithium Ion batteries - 20 years ago, you would have been correct
[04:24] <mr---t-> so to max yourbatery life?
[04:25] <Agent_bob> mr---t- point noted.    sorry for being technical about "type"    you are right in assuming that it should only apply to laptop batteries.  my bad.
[04:26] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Laptop actually "20 years ago" laptops were not.
[04:27] <smarty> ok back-- :) any idea how to isntall BitDefender? I have the tar.bz2
[04:27] <mr---t-> sorry for trying to answer your question
[04:27] <smarty> me?
[04:27] <Agent_bob> smarty what is BitDefender
[04:27] <smarty> Security Software
[04:28] <smarty> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/BitDefender+FE?content=18216
[04:28] <nadu> guys i just insatlled kubuntu and i went to a website and it says i need java installed
[04:28] <mr---t-> smarty:  no not you
[04:28] <nadu> should i install sunjava-j2sdk1.5?
[04:28] <Agent_bob> !find bitdefender
[04:28] <smarty> mr--t: oh ok
[04:29] <mr---t-> !java
[04:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> Agent_bob: was talking about rechargable batteries for consumer use (ie. not lead acid)
[04:29] <mr---t-> he specifically asked about lead acid read above
[04:30] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Laptop yes yes.  i said sorry for keying on key word "all"  and bringing in l/a
[04:30] <smarty> Agent_bob : Sorry for asking such stupid questions... How do I install from the Icedove thing
[04:30] <mr---t-> and as i said li-ion the best option
[04:30] <mr---t-> so far
[04:31] <Agent_bob> smarty i was looking for a .deb package for you.   i don't see one.  so if you want to install your tarball package i'll have the bot post you a link you should read about it...   but i'll also have it post you a like as to why you may not need it.  k.
[04:31] <mr---t-> nadu: did you see the link for java
[04:31] <Agent_bob> !virus | smarty
[04:31] <nadu> i got it sorted out
[04:32] <nadu> ty
[04:32] <Agent_bob> !b-e | smarty
[04:32] <smarty> Haaha touche
[04:32] <smarty> Thanks
[04:32] <Agent_bob> you bet.
[04:32] <smarty> :) I forgot :P
[04:32] <dragon_> hello everyone
[04:32] <smarty> Hello
[04:33] <dragon_> hi smarty
[04:33] <tekteen> hi
[04:33] <dragon_> hi tek
[04:34] <Agent_bob> mr---t- now,  if only the rest of my lappy were as good as the battery ...
[04:34] <mr---t-> he he yeah the only bad I've heard about them is an explosino or two
[04:35] <mr---t-> explosion
[04:35] <Agent_bob> ah that's no biggy.   as long as it's not over 6m-ton
[04:36] <Agent_bob> this bunker is rated at 6m-ton
[04:37] <mr---t-> you can actually make a battery in your mouth if you have a metal filling and a piece of aliminum foil...
[04:37] <mr---t-> aluminum^
[04:37] <Agent_bob> aluminium
[04:38] <mr---t-> yeah got it
[04:39] <mr---t-> get your buddy to try it feels great
[04:39] <Agent_bob> does kwikdisk open a window for you ?
[04:39] <Pici> !ot
[04:40] <Agent_bob> trying to figure out why kwikdisk is just sitting there doing d'nada
[04:41] <Agent_bob> naught zero nothing zilch
[04:41] <Agent_bob> it aint worken'
[04:42] <mr---t-> kde 4?
[04:42] <Agent_bob> kde 3
[04:43] <Agent_bob> well it's a kde 3  app i'm looking at.   kde is not running.
[04:43] <Agent_bob> not as far as kwin kinit is concerned
[04:44] <Agent_bob> and of course "kdeinit" does start if you call a kde app... so  it should work.   other kde apps work ok.
[04:44] <mr---t-> I can't find it on my system
[04:45] <Agent_bob> really ?      did i misspell it ?    "/usr/bin/kwikdisk "
[04:46] <Agent_bob> seems to have come from package  "kdf"
[04:46] <Agent_bob> !info kdf
[04:46] <flaccid> hmm Agent_bob keep !enter in mind. but um whats your error sorry?
[04:49] <Agent_bob> maybe it's not supposed to open it's own window ?
[04:50] <flaccid> run it from konsole, do you get any output?
[04:50] <flaccid> also kwikdisk is a system try icon/program
[04:59] <Agent_bob> what's the kde command for the kde docs ?
[05:00] <Agent_bob> i tried kdedoc something  but only get an error message out of that.
[05:00] <flaccid> khelpcenter Agent_bob
[05:00] <Agent_bob> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdelibs-apidocs does not appear to contain your KDE docs.
[05:01] <flaccid> Agent_bob: what says that?
[05:01] <Agent_bob> anyone ?
[05:02] <flaccid> kdedoc is for viewing kde class documentation
[05:04] <flaccid> Agent_bob: yeah i get that too. i can't find a package with it in it
[05:06] <desmond> No Python OpenGL support
[05:06] <desmond> No Python GTKGLExt support
[05:06] <desmond> how i fix
[05:07] <Agent_bob> desmond what spit that error out ?
[05:07] <flaccid> !info kdelibs4-doc
[05:07] <flaccid> ^^ Agent_bob
[05:08] <Agent_bob> !info python-opengl
[05:09] <desmond> oh sru
[05:09] <desmond> i was trying somthing in 3d
[05:09] <Agent_bob> !info python-gtkglext1
[05:16] <Agent_bob> i found it.  it's     khelpcenter   ffr
[05:16] <Agent_bob> but nothing in it on kwikdisk either
[05:17] <flaccid> [14:00] <flaccid> khelpcenter Agent_bob  <-- thats what i said?
[05:17] <cinex> have you tried man kwickdisk
[05:17] <flaccid> sorry Agent_bob what is your problem?
[05:17] <Agent_bob> i'm thinking that several kde things don't work outside of kde like they should.
[05:17] <cinex> or konqueror man:kwickdisk
[05:17] <flaccid> like?
[05:18] <Agent_bob> cinex heh.   i'm a cli guy,  yes that was the first thing i checked.  then  --help
[05:18] <cinex> sorry.
[05:18]  * cinex goes back to the corner
[05:18] <flaccid> i don't see any problems yet Agent_bob. what is the actual problem sorry?
[05:18] <Agent_bob> no no.   i'm just saying,  yes i looked.
[05:19] <Agent_bob> i was just wondering why it wouldn't open any kind of window.
[05:19] <Agent_bob> so i was also looking for some documentation on that     switch maybe  ;/
[05:19] <flaccid> [13:50] <flaccid> also kwikdisk is a system try icon/program  <-- thats why
[05:20] <flaccid> you right click on it in system tray
[05:25] <Agent_bob> most kde apps seem to work fine when started in any DE  some however dont.
[05:26] <flaccid> define 'don't' ?
[05:28] <tung> !info kdeinit
[05:28] <Agent_bob> part of  kdelibs-bin
[05:28] <Agent_bob> !info kdelibs-bin
[05:29] <Agent_bob> well.    </shrugs>
[05:29] <Agent_bob> was in dapper.    or should i say is in dapper.
[05:30] <Agent_bob> !find kdelibs
[05:30] <Agent_bob> maybe they dropped the -bin ?
[05:30] <flaccid> Agent_bob: i still don't understand the problem/know what it is specifically
[05:33] <Agent_bob> tung ffr. where i have "*" you can put the full path to any file,   example /usr/bin/kdeinit  >>>>    basename `grep -Rwe "*" /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | cut -d':' -f1` 2>/dev/null   <<<<
[05:34] <Agent_bob> should show where any installed file came from.
[05:35]  * flaccid feels ignored
[05:43] <tung> i installed ubuntu first then the kubuntu-desktop package
[05:43] <tung> but when i started kde it show the error comment
[05:44] <tung> could not start kdeinit. check your installation
[05:44] <Agent_bob> "which kdeinit"
[05:44] <tung> i have googled it but there is no solution
[05:45] <Agent_bob> also "sudo apt-get install -f kubuntu-desktop "  to make sure it's installed and not broken
[05:45] <flaccid> yeah its most likely broken
[05:46] <tung> Reading package lists... Done
[05:47] <tung> Building dependency tree
[05:47] <tung> Reading state information... Done
[05:47] <tung> kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[05:47] <tung> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:47] <flaccid> !etner | tung
[05:47] <flaccid> !enter | tung
[05:47] <Agent_bob> tung ok.   and you did "which kdeinit" ?
[05:47] <flaccid> tung: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop   (try that because it is a meta package)
[05:48] <Agent_bob> who's calling the bot ?
[05:48]  * Agent_bob checks to see if he has anyone on ignore
[05:48] <flaccid> yes Agent_bob you have had me on ignore and i've answered all your questions that you have been asking.
[05:48] <Agent_bob> flaccid was that you ?
[05:49] <flaccid> yes its me
[05:49] <flaccid> can you hear me now? lol you put me on ignore
[05:49] <Agent_bob> i don't know why you were on my ignore list.
[05:49] <Agent_bob> yes
[05:49] <flaccid> probably because we had argument or something. i actually answered every single one of your questions with solutions that you have been asking...
[05:50] <Agent_bob> the kwikdisk question ?
[05:50] <flaccid> yeah and everything else
[05:51]  * Agent_bob asked something else ???
[05:52] <Agent_bob> well at the cost of repeting your self,  why does kwikdisk not open it's own window ?
[05:52] <flaccid> [13:50] <flaccid> also kwikdisk is a system try icon/program | [14:00] <flaccid> khelpcenter Agent_bob | [14:02] <flaccid> kdedoc is for viewing kde class documentation | [14:07] <flaccid> !info kdelibs4-doc
[05:52] <flaccid> (kwikdisk is a tray icon)
[05:54] <Agent_bob> oh yeah i remember the kinfocenter question,  hehhe i found it anyway.      and where did kdelibs4-doc come in ???
[05:56] <Agent_bob> or were you sujesting that kdelibs4-doc now provides kdeinit ?
[05:57]  * Agent_bob checks his ignore list again....
[05:57] <Agent_bob> you aren't there this time. flaccid :)
[05:58] <flaccid> brb
[05:59] <flaccid> Agent_bob: the doc package means you can do stuff like kdedoc KConfig and you won't get that error from before about missing apidocs
[06:01] <flaccid> pays to not ignore flaccid heh :p
[06:02]  * Agent_bob is so much richer now
[06:03] <Agent_bob> oh not that kind of pay....
[06:03] <flaccid> haha
[06:22]  * Agent_bob is starting to wonder how long his lappy can do "cat /dev/urandom" on battery power alone.
[06:26] <Agent_bob> ah finnly a warning light is flashing on it...
[06:26] <Agent_bob> wonder how long it will run like that....
[06:27] <dsmith_> Agent_bob: must be really bored
[06:28] <Agent_bob> dsmith_ yep.    must be.
[06:30] <Agent_bob> about that long.
[06:40] <Agent_bob> ghost__ some names are just too popular ;/
[06:41] <ghost__> Agent_bob i see... i need to change that
[06:42] <Agent_bob> that should work
[06:43] <darcy> how do you find a program in the KDE menu editor???
[06:43] <darcy> sorry - to add it to your menu
[06:44] <darcy> anyone, Bueler...
[06:45] <Agent_bob> darcy konsole   which command_name
[06:45] <Agent_bob> !tab
[06:47] <darcy> I have installed Lightscribe on my computer but cant' run it because I can't find the darn program. I don't know what folder to look for it under. I'm used to Windows where it is under programs...
[06:48] <flaccid> darcy: which package did you install?
[06:48] <Agent_bob> which lightscribe
[06:49] <flaccid> i can't find lightscribe in the repos
[06:49] <Agent_bob> which light<tab>
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[06:49] <darcy> LightScribe System Software 1.14.17.1 then LaCie LightScribe Labeler for Linux 1.0-r6
[06:50] <flaccid> we havnt verified the source of the software or anything yet.
[06:50] <flaccid> darcy: how did you install it and where from. it looks 3rd party to me.
[06:50] <darcy> the package labels are "lightscribe" and "4l"
[06:50] <flaccid> darcy: where are they from?
[06:50] <darcy> I installed it through Daemon??
[06:51] <Agent_bob> !find lightscribe
[06:51] <flaccid> what is Daemon ?
[06:51] <darcy> www.lightscribe.com and
[06:51] <darcy> no not Daemon. one sec.
[06:51] <flaccid> darcy: oh you should read their documentation and failing that, open the .deb in ark and look at the contents to see what binaries it has
[06:51] <darcy> ya debian that's it.
[06:52] <flaccid> darcy: you might also like to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LightScribe
[06:52] <darcy> I'm still new to Linux. I don't know what you mean by binaries
[06:52] <flaccid> darcy: binaries are the actual program's executable(s). usually install into /usr/bin or something
[06:53] <flaccid> still rule 1 applies here: read the documentation.
[06:54] <darcy> sounds like I have some reading to do. Thanks flaccid.
[06:54] <Agent_bob> "use which to find the executable installed, after you use the tab key to get the exact executable names"  still works wonders.   almost as good as   "reboot will fix anything" in that other os
[06:55] <flaccid> no need to do which as its in the path already. you would need to know the binaries name
[06:55] <flaccid> np darcy
[06:55] <Agent_bob> in the mean time    dpkg -L lightscribe | grep bin/
[06:56] <Agent_bob> the question was how to find it's binary/executable    "nothing says it has to be binary though"
[06:58] <flaccid> Agent_bob: thats a wicked command!
[06:58] <Agent_bob> "<darcy> how do you find a program in the KDE menu editor?  <darcy> sorry - to add it to your menu"  <<<  so i could only assume he wanted the executable's location.
[06:58] <Agent_bob> flaccid pays to listen to Agent_bob  :)))
[06:59] <flaccid> haha took you a while but :p
[07:00] <Agent_bob> no.  i answered as soon as i saw it.    prolly had a full pipe tho
[07:00] <Agent_bob> -:- CTCP PING reply from Agent_bob: 50.160 seconds
[07:00] <flaccid> no you suggested which lightscribe
[07:00] <Agent_bob> no i sujested using which  and the tab key
[07:01] <Agent_bob> the which lightscribe came much later
[07:01] <flaccid> that was assuming the binary file is named lightscribe ..
[07:02] <Agent_bob> yep.  that assumption came after he named the package.
[07:03] <flaccid> why assume?
[07:03] <Agent_bob> didn't have sufficent information to avoid it
[07:03] <darcy> Agent_bob: do I enter in light<tab> in the Konsole??
[07:04] <Agent_bob> darcy the <tab>  means hit the tab key
[07:04] <flaccid> darcy: you are better to run [15:55] <Agent_bob> in the mean time    dpkg -L lightscribe | grep bin/  and see the binaries (however the documentation tells all)
[07:04] <Agent_bob> to help you find the executables name.
[07:05] <Agent_bob> and yes after you mentioned that you installed it via dpkg *debian*   i came up with a better answer.
[07:05] <Agent_bob> better information does yeld better answers
[07:05] <flaccid> so does research.
[07:06] <darcy> flaccid: I went to the help website and followed it's instructions, but it does not say how to then run the program when you can't find it. I have it installed right but now I have to find the invisible program. It does not show up in my Kmenu.
[07:06] <flaccid> darcy: yes which is why agent bob suggested the dpkg command to find the executables
[07:07] <flaccid> far out their website seems to have windows directions despite saying its for linux too
[07:08]  * flaccid goes to install to test
[07:09] <Agent_bob> flaccid research?     ok, answer the question "how do i find a program i installed so i can add it to the kmenu?"
[07:09] <flaccid> darcy: follow the Links section of the ubuntu wiki page and download the manual for linux: http://www.lacie.com/download/manual/LightScribeLabelerLinux_en.pdf
[07:09] <flaccid> Agent_bob: yeah i found the entry on the ubuntu wiki. im looking at the rpm contents now to see what they have. still the research found the manual for linux..
[07:10] <Agent_bob> in 25 words or less you can't genericly answer that question without assumptions or asking me several questions.
[07:10] <Agent_bob> reguardless of how much research you do.
[07:11] <flaccid> is this a game show now?
[07:11] <Agent_bob> no   just saying,   research doesn't help when you don't yet know what they are asking about.
[07:12] <flaccid> but in this case we do know
[07:12] <Agent_bob> i might have been asking about   quicktables-2.3.tar.gz
[07:12] <flaccid> google is quite handy..
[07:12] <ilkin> hi people?
[07:12] <ilkin> what does it mean -"Mixer cannot be found"?
[07:13] <Agent_bob> ilkin what program gave that message ?
[07:13] <ilkin> I lost sound in Kubuntu)))
[07:13] <ilkin> could anybody help me?
[07:13] <flaccid> darcy: as per the manual, the base commands are 4L-cli and 4L-gui depending on if you want command line or gui
[07:14] <Agent_bob> it obviously means it can't find "Mixer"
[07:14] <flaccid> ilkin: someone will help if they can
[07:14] <ilkin> KMix
[07:15] <Agent_bob> !sound
[07:15] <Agent_bob> ilkin     https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootin
[07:15] <Agent_bob> ilkin what did you do that caused this ?
[07:16] <Agent_bob> i'm wondering if he has been playing in the package manager...
[07:17] <ilkin> I have just installed modem driver -linuxant for conexant
[07:17] <ilkin> with alsa enhanced HDA modem support driver
[07:17] <Agent_bob> ah you have been playing in the packages...  and alsa no less....  wonder why sound is out.
[07:18] <Agent_bob> anyway,  try restarting arts.  as per the bot  ^
[07:19] <ilkin> and also i have message can not build kernel... while starting Kubuntu
[07:20] <macnoob> hello there
[07:21] <Agent_bob> sounds like your install of the new stuff borked. ilkin do you have build-essential installed ?
[07:21] <flaccid> ilkin: thats a weird error to have on boot. what is the exact error as it is printed on the screen?
[07:22] <flaccid> nevertheless sounds like you broke something
[07:22] <ilkin> no build-essentila is not installed
[07:22] <macnoob> does anybody know how to create an e+' , or an o+" ?
[07:22] <Agent_bob> and your kernel source.       ^ installed
[07:22] <Agent_bob> ilkin for building modules you'll need it.
[07:23] <Agent_bob> macnoob i dont even know what chars you  are asking about  how to create an e+' , or an o+" ?
[07:24] <Agent_bob> oh  i think i do.   but not what you need to do to type them though
[07:24] <macnoob> like accents on top of as letter
[07:24] <macnoob> a
[07:24] <Agent_bob> yeah i cought on.
[07:24] <Agent_bob> but don't know.
[07:24] <ilkin> I can not sya exact error tex however it says that something wrong with buildin kernel
[07:24] <Agent_bob> !b-e | ilkin
[07:25] <ilkin> *say
[07:27] <ilkin> is it possible to reinstall Kubuntu without formatting?
[07:29] <ilkin> is it possible to reinstall Kubuntu without formatting????
[07:30] <Agent_bob> ubiquity didn't accept that in it's infantcy   i can't say about now,  maybe someone else knows if they have fixed that.
[07:30] <flaccid> ilkin: don't repeat. if someone can help, they will.
[07:30] <Agent_bob> !ubiquity
[07:30] <ilkin> ok sorry i thought message is not sent
[07:30] <Agent_bob> !info ubiquity
[07:32] <Agent_bob> in short,   yes it's possable.   this is linux,  even the impossable is possable if you know what you are doing,
[07:32] <ilkin> but how?
[07:33] <flaccid> i don't think there is an automatic way to do it but. i don't think ubiquity can do it as its also image-based install. you would have to do it manually in cli i would assume
[07:33] <Agent_bob> will the native installer (ubiquity) allow you to proceed without formating / is your true question.   and i don't know about later modle ubiquity.
[07:33] <ilkin> ok thanks
[07:33] <ilkin> bye
[07:33] <Agent_bob> try it and see.   that's my advice.
[07:34] <Agent_bob> if it wont allow it,  just bail out
[07:34] <Agent_bob> flaccid image based ?
[07:35] <flaccid> well i thought it was image-based. there is this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityPreserveHome but im not sure if its implemented yet
[07:35] <Agent_bob> i'm not sure what you mean by "image-based"
[07:36] <Agent_bob> if you mean like windows recovery disks,   no.
[07:36] <flaccid> it copies an image as opposed to installing from debian packages
[07:36] <Agent_bob> no.  i think not.
[07:37] <flaccid> how does it to do it then considering there are no debian packages on the livecd?
[07:37] <Agent_bob> that would limit the root fs type and size to the image constraints
[07:37] <Agent_bob> flaccid sense when are there no .udeb's on the disk ?
[07:38] <flaccid> i dont understand
[07:39] <flaccid> i don't mean a disk image. how does the ubiquity work then?
[07:40] <Agent_bob> it's just a glorified frontend to apt basicly
[07:40] <Agent_bob> err dpkg
[07:40] <flaccid> hmm what is a .udeb
[07:42] <Agent_bob> a debian package specally designed for ubiquity.  generally trimmed and tweeked to allow the setup of the base system so that one can then chroot the dpkg commands   if i understand them correctly
[07:42] <Agent_bob> i.e. to install libc6 where there is no system you have to use a udeb  cause the deb will fail.
[07:43] <Agent_bob> but i'm not very educated on udeb's either
[07:43] <flaccid> so there are .udebs on the livecd and not .debs ?
[07:43]  * Agent_bob reminds flaccid about research.
[07:43] <Agent_bob> both me thinks.
[07:44] <flaccid> i am researching, but i aint finding anything sir..
[07:44] <Agent_bob> both .udeb's and .deb's could be found on the dapper live
[07:44] <Agent_bob> have a live CD handy ?
[07:44] <flaccid> ubiquity has changed a bit since then i'd say
[07:45] <Agent_bob> drop it in and mount + search it
[07:45] <flaccid> i don't actually
[07:45] <Agent_bob> oh
[07:45] <flaccid> im at my g/f's place
[07:45] <Agent_bob> i don't have anything newer than dapper
[07:45] <Agent_bob> i hope ubiquity has changed some.  it was very limited in dapper
[07:45] <flaccid> in my research i do have people calling ubuntu's install, image-based..
[07:46] <Agent_bob> flaccid they are probably refering to the squashfs image on the cd
[07:47] <Agent_bob> or at least should be.
[07:47] <flaccid> yeah im not sure, but you are right i do need t learn how this install works
[07:48] <flaccid> i still can't find a workflow for ubiquity installs
[07:48]  * Agent_bob installs ubiquity to look into
[07:50] <flaccid> mad
[07:50] <flaccid> i think people got mixed up about this (including me) when m$ announced vista image-based install
[07:51] <Agent_bob> yeah...   that type "image-based" install is an fs image file that's copied to the hdd
[07:51] <Agent_bob> affectively formating the and installing the system in one data transit
[07:52] <flaccid> and so the only requirement is to have hard disk space thats at least the size of the install image?
[07:52] <flaccid> well you know what i mean..
[07:53] <Agent_bob> basicly.  i think that they only image the fs and not the partition table   but basicly yes.
[07:54] <flaccid> cool
[07:55] <Agent_bob> kinda like   dd if=/dev/hda1 of=image.file     but with their fs size is not then important as it is with a real fs
[07:56] <Agent_bob> that would not work with ext# for obvious reasons.
[07:56] <flaccid> and obviously problems would exist with vista there and hardware drivers because its not like a linux kernel heh
[07:57] <Agent_bob> yep   but they get around that with their ole trusty "scan all hardware and update" at each boot
[07:59] <Agent_bob> which i hate to see linux (ubuntu especally) moving more and more toward.   bloated slower and often buggy systems, simply for the sake of "just works", which often don't work.
[07:59] <Agent_bob> and then the software buys just say "well you'll have to update your hardware to run it i guess"
[08:00] <Agent_bob> which really tic's me off.
[08:00] <flaccid> but i didn't think ubuntu does any userland scanning of hardware on boot?
[08:01] <flaccid> its all kernel based
[08:02] <Agent_bob> think xorg
[08:03] <Agent_bob> and knetwork...
[08:03] <flaccid> thats different. i think the approach taken there is appropriate
[08:03] <flaccid> knetwork?
[08:04] <Agent_bob> it's just one step in "that" dirrection though.   if it flys everything that can will follow.
[08:04] <flaccid> and kdm/X takes hardly anything to detect and get going compared to the boot process with kernel..
[08:04] <flaccid> i disagree as 'plug n play' style X is important
[08:05] <Agent_bob> "boot process with kernel" ?
[08:06] <Agent_bob> this system will boot from bios to login in less time than it takes xorg to start.   well to start anything usable that is.
[08:06] <flaccid> yep. everything including and after init
[08:06] <Agent_bob> i can get an x cursor in about the same time
[08:06] <flaccid> wtf. i don't think so. my system takes nearly a minute to boot and when kdm is called it takes max 2secs to start
[08:07] <Agent_bob> this system is from bios post to login in about 3 seconds.
[08:07] <flaccid> say you kill kdm/X and then run startx from a tty. X starts up in very little time
[08:07] <flaccid> 3 seconds wtf
[08:08] <Agent_bob> but you already have everything loaded that way.  test it from scratch and see how long it takes.
[08:08] <Agent_bob> boot to cli   and then run startx
[08:08] <flaccid> ive already tested all of this
[08:09] <Agent_bob> i have too. i'll turn my lappy on and you can time it
[08:09] <flaccid> its better to be portable which is part of the point of the linux kernel then to have configs and drivers for hardware explicitly defined in userland so that when it boots with different hardware, it cannot. detection rules..
[08:09] <Agent_bob> lilo prompt now.
[08:09] <Agent_bob> login now
[08:10] <Agent_bob> how long ?
[08:10] <Agent_bob> it's better to be free :)
[08:10] <flaccid> i don't think time is an important factore here, we are debating what should do what and ubuntu only uses the kernel for hardware detection besides what Xorg does..
[08:11] <Agent_bob> the kernel is the only thing that can be used for hardware detection...     what am i missing ?
[08:12] <chacho> ok i have a problem with an old linux install i did a while back.....
[08:12] <flaccid> xorg does some direct probing as well
[08:13] <chacho> it was when I first started with this stuff
[08:13] <Agent_bob> chacho describe
[08:13] <chacho> i installed red hat linux 6.2 and I dont remeber the pass word or the user name
[08:13] <flaccid> i dunno you were saying that ubuntu is moving more towards  "scan all hardware and update" at each boot which is userland
[08:13] <flaccid> chacho: try single user mode
[08:14] <chacho> it boots in lilo
[08:14] <Agent_bob> chacho tab key to add options
[08:14] <chacho> ok guys i gonna need a walk thru on this
[08:14] <chacho> sorry
[08:15] <Agent_bob> chacho actually you don't have to tab.   you can just press "1" and "enter" and it should boot to single user mode.
[08:15] <flaccid> chacho: goto #fedora for fedora help or google single user mode fedora. its just a kernel boot option..
[08:15] <Agent_bob> but, iirc that will still ask for the root password.
[08:15] <flaccid> some older linux may not require password for single user mode
[08:15] <chacho> ok let me see if they can help
[08:16] <flaccid> chacho: just do what Agent_bob said above..
[08:16] <Agent_bob> chacho so.  you may need to boot to init=/bin/sh
[08:16] <chacho> thats the thing guys I dont know how
[08:17] <flaccid> he just said ow
[08:17] <flaccid> how
[08:17] <flaccid> chacho: why did you come to #kubuntu for Fedora support?
[08:18] <chacho> i didnt know about fedora
[08:19] <Agent_bob> at the lilo prompt select the kernel image you want to boot and hit the tab key,  add the keyword "init=/bin/sh"  and boot it.     mount the root fs in rw mode  "mount -no remount,rw /" and set the password, "passwd root"     mount in ro  "mount -no remount,ro /"  and ctrl+alt+del
[08:19] <Agent_bob> chacho take notes  ^  that's how.
[08:19] <flaccid> nice job
[08:20] <Agent_bob> fedora is a hat.
[08:21] <Agent_bob> disk tracy wore a fedora.
[08:22]  * Agent_bob wonders which is more important, getting the right nick or setting the root password....
[08:23] <Agent_bob> -:- chacho is now known as chacho_  -:- chacho_ is now known as helpthisnoobiw  -:- helpthisnoobiw is now known as helpthisnoobie
[08:23] <helpthisnoobie> cant talk in fedora w/o registered nick
[08:23] <flaccid> helpthisnoobie: bob already gave you a solution anyway
[08:23] <Agent_bob> don't need to.  they won't have any better trick than i just posted.
[08:24] <flaccid> yerp
[08:24] <helpthisnoobie> ok my comp is restarting gonna give it a try
[08:25] <Agent_bob> you'll have to tell flaccid how it went,  cause i'm just on my way out.
[08:25] <Agent_bob> and you're welcome.
[08:25] <flaccid> hmm i'lll be off very soon too
[08:26] <helpthisnoobie> ok i guess i dont have dual boot
[08:27] <helpthisnoobie> only thing i get when i hit tab is "linux"
[08:27] <flaccid> you don't need dual boot.
[08:28] <flaccid> helpthisnoobie: here is directions in a webpage: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/s1-rescuemode-booting-single.html
[08:28] <helpthisnoobie> it says 'boot:' i hit tab then shows 'linux'
[08:28] <flaccid> and you change it to linux single as per the manual above
[08:28] <flaccid> google does wonders for those that use it
[08:29] <helpthisnoobie> i was using it and i have seen this manual
[08:29] <helpthisnoobie> I cant get it to work
[08:30] <helpthisnoobie> plus i dont have grub and I dont know wha grub is
[08:30] <flaccid> !doesntwork | helpthisnoobie
[08:31] <flaccid> helpthisnoobie: i don't think you actually read the above link! it says: If you are using LILO, specify one of these options at the LILO boot prompt (if you are using the graphical LILO, you must press [Ctrl]-[x] to exit the graphical screen and go to the boot: prompt):
[08:32] <flaccid> if you cannot understand this kind of stuff then maybe its too hard for you
[08:34] <helpthisnoobie> thanx guys....I thought this was a community that wanted to help each other
[08:34] <helpthisnoobie> like i said...I new to this and trying to learn
[08:34] <helpthisnoobie> thanx anyway
[08:34] <flaccid> we have helped you
[08:35] <flaccid> depsite asking in the wrong place. now thats a pretty good community if you ask me
[08:35] <helpthisnoobie> and i appreciate that....
[08:36] <flaccid> pretty good for unpaid support isnt it
[08:44] <flaccid> helpthisnoobie: here is the 6.2 manual entry: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-6.2-Manual/ref-guide/s1-sysadmin-boot.html  (says same thing for lilo: linux single)
[08:49] <helpthisnoobie> ok looks like im in single user mode....i have 'bash#' prompt
[08:49] <flaccid> cool. now you can passwd root and set a new passwd
[08:50] <flaccid> actually just passwd is fine as you are root already
[08:51] <helpthisnoobie> looks like I did it
[08:51] <flaccid> cool
[08:51] <helpthisnoobie> ctrl+alt+del now
[08:51] <flaccid> no. issue command reboot
[08:51] <helpthisnoobie> ok
[08:51] <hola> hi guys, when my kubuntu starts, compiz is active but i want it unactive at the start....how can i do?
[08:52] <flaccid> helpthisnoobie: or if you don't have that in that rhl 6.2 you can probably do runlevel 6
[08:52] <helpthisnoobie> ok rebooting now
[08:53] <flaccid> helpthisnoobie: actually hehe the manually says to do shutdown -r now which is probably the same thing heh
[08:53] <flaccid> they say this because: "Although the reboot and halt commands are now "smart" enough to invoke shutdown if run while the system is in runlevels 1-5, it is a bad habit to get into, as not all Linux-like operating systems have this feature."
[08:54]  * flaccid brb
[08:54] <helpthisnoobie> this thing is old and slow....but just using it to leard
[08:55] <helpthisnoobie> learn even
[08:58] <emons> hello
[08:59] <emons> is there anyone?
[08:59] <emons> i think i need some help
[08:59] <emons> im not able to open my hard disks
[08:59] <emons> it says permission denied
[08:59] <emons> and it doesn't let me mount them either
[08:59] <emons> someone can help?
[09:00] <emons> hello??
[09:00] <emons> hel please
[09:01] <emons> hello? can someone help?
[09:02] <willluongo1> Did you try it as root?
[09:03] <steve___> Hello all.  Greetings from Rock Hill, South Carolina, USA.
[09:03] <emons> im wuite of a newbie in kubuntu
[09:03] <emons> i dunno what that means
[09:03] <emons> sorry
[09:03] <Algyz> !hi | steve___
[09:03] <willluongo1> try mounting it with the command sudo in front
[09:03] <cyberponix> does anyone know how to get a six sided cube in kde 4 using the advanced desktop settings or is there another way?
[09:03] <flaccid> !enter | emons
[09:04] <flaccid> !kde4 | cyberponix
[09:04] <steve___> I have FINALLY got Kunbutu to be able to connect to the internet.  WAAAA HOOOO!
[09:04] <flaccid> emons: try mounting/enabling in system settings -> disk and filesystems, do you get an error?
[09:21] <baudthief> I'm running compiz fusion with twinview, everything is great until I try and play a fullscreen game. The game appears on one screen with half of it cut off
[09:22] <baudthief> is there a way to make it utilise only one monitor?
[09:25] <fredthemonkey> hi
[09:28] <fredthemonkey> i am trying to compile gnunet. to get it working the readme says that i must install various packages - libextractor-dev is one of them. But when i try to do so, adept says the package is broken :( Does anyone know what to do now?
[09:29] <steveny> hello:) I can't find my poor little mp3 player now that I upgraded to 8.04 :( http://pastebin.com/d2dba97f5
[09:30] <flaccid> !info libextractor-dev
[09:30] <flaccid> fredthemonkey: paste/bin the exact/all of the error
[09:31] <fredthemonkey> you mean when i install it with apt-get? okay wait a sec
[09:32] <flaccid> yeah
[09:32] <steveny> any luck??? http://pastebin.com/d2dba97f5 beforeit was plug and play...now it is plug and charge(no more play:( )
[09:34] <fredthemonkey> the errors are in german, but it says that there is a needed package libextractor1c2a (= 0.5.18a-2) is installed but 0.5.20-2~ppa0 should be installed :?
[09:34] <fredthemonkey> *the package is not installed yet i mean
[09:34] <flaccid> fredthemonkey: pastebin sudo apt-cache madison libextractor-dev
[09:36] <fredthemonkey> okay
[09:36] <fredthemonkey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27023/
[09:37] <Algyz> fredthemonkey:  try with sudo aptitude
[09:38] <flaccid> that won't help Algyz
[09:38] <fredthemonkey> it says that it will deinstall a package and install a new one
[09:39] <flaccid> cool, i guess aptitude does some fuzzy logic then, my bad
[09:39] <Algyz> yes ;)
[09:40] <Algyz> it is better managing with dependencies
[09:42] <fredthemonkey> i guess i compile it myself. where can i get the source?
[09:43] <steveny> no one can spare a minute:(
[09:43] <flaccid> steveny: people will help you if they can. its not about sparing minutes.
[09:44] <flaccid> !info gnunet | fredthemonkey why would you its in the repos
[09:45] <fredthemonkey> well the version from the repos didnt really work, too
[09:45] <fredthemonkey> so i want to compile it myself
[09:46] <flaccid> didn't really work ? <== what exactly didn't really work?
[09:46] <flaccid> you are welcome to google to find the projects home page and source. we shouldn't have to do that for you..
[09:47] <fredthemonkey> yes i found the source, sorry.
[09:48] <fredthemonkey> well the errors were that it didnt seem to work properly, there were some errors and the repo didnt seem to work fine, too (adept always wanted to update another broken package)
[09:49] <flaccid> if you give us specific errors/problems we can help with solutions. but a doesn't work description doesn't really help either of us
[09:50] <fredthemonkey> the deamon didnt start automatically when i ran it from the gtk gui. and also i couldnt download any files - i tried a "COPYING" license with only a few kb and it didnt work
[09:51] <fredthemonkey> i mean i started the deamon first before i tried to download that file
[09:51] <flaccid> you can turn on the daemon for auto in system settings - system services
[09:51] <flaccid> and if not fails you can check logs/ run manual etc.
[09:52] <fredthemonkey> okay thanks - but i guess i am better off when i compile it myself because the gnunet repo is buggy
[09:58] <flaccid> um i don't think so. its not in a 'gnunet repo' and im not sure how the repos is buggy and how you would be better off compiling especially because you could have the same problem with that compiled version etc.
[09:58] <fredthemonkey> first the official repo didnt work - so you have to add the gnunet repo which has that bug
[09:59] <flaccid> i installed gnunet from the universe repos without problem, and we are here to help with specific errors etc.
[09:59] <fredthemonkey> okay sorry
[10:00] <fredthemonkey> well i tried it yesterday so i dont know the exact error anymore
[10:00] <flaccid> fredthemonkey: run sudo aptitude install gnunet and advise any specific errors to get some help..
[10:00] <flaccid> (if needed)
[10:00] <fredthemonkey> okay i'll do that
[10:02] <emons> hi guyz
[10:02] <emons> what kate for kde?
[10:02] <emons> whatz the command?
[10:02] <fredthemonkey> now i know it: it wasnt the last version. in the official repos it is 0.7.3, but in the other from gnunet it is 0.8.0 or so
[10:02] <fredthemonkey> emons: type kate in a konsole?
[10:02] <emons> yes im trying to modify fstab
[10:03] <emons> but kate command seems not to be working
[10:03] <emons> kate /etc/fstab
[10:03] <emons> how do i do that?
[10:03] <emons> it isnt kate it seems
[10:03] <flaccid> emons: kdesudo kate /etc/fstab (you need root privs)
[10:03] <flaccid> !enter emons
[10:03] <emons> im in the root
[10:03] <flaccid> !enter | emos for the last time please abide by this rule
[10:03] <fredthemonkey> an okay - now i got the error. gnunet from the official repo is a bit outdated, but seems to work fine. gnunet-gtk doesnt: libgnunetutil.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:04] <emons> sorry flaccid?
[10:04] <emons> what happened?
[10:04] <fredthemonkey> emons, dont press enter after each sentence.
[10:05] <emons> ah alright im sorry
[10:05] <flaccid> fredthemonkey: if you use gnunet-gtk or gnunet-qt from the ubuntu repos you won't get that error..
[10:06] <fredthemonkey> no i just installed it from the ubuntu repo and it gave me that error i posted
[10:06] <flaccid> fredthemonkey: what command gave you the error?
[10:07] <fredthemonkey> that error came by just running it
[10:07] <flaccid> [19:06] <flaccid> fredthemonkey: what command gave you the error?
[10:08] <flaccid> 'just running it' is not a command
[10:08] <fredthemonkey> gnunet-gtk
[10:09] <flaccid> and that was installed from the ubuntu repos fredthemonkey?
[10:10] <flaccid> fredthemonkey: if it was then its a bug. ie. package maintainer didn't include it in the package and a bug report should be submitted. to get around this i would just use gnunet-qt from the repos.
[10:11] <fredthemonkey> okay i'll fill a bug report. yes it was from the repos. and i'll try gnunet-qt now
[10:11] <flaccid> ok good luck then
[10:14] <fredthemonkey> here we go with the next error. i type gnunet-qt, some gui flashes for a sec and the console says Segmentation fault
[10:22] <illusive> anyone know anything similar to daemon tools for ubuntu? :)
[10:24] <fredthemonkey> you can mount isos by konsole
[10:24] <fredthemonkey> http://sathyasays.com/2007/12/15/mounting-iso-and-mdsmdf-files-in-linux/
[10:25] <usama> Hello Everyone!
[10:25] <usama> How can I chanage titlebar color?
[10:26] <maxen_> hi everyone
[10:27] <maxen_> I would like to know how to update my kubuntu ?
[10:28] <jussi01> !mount | illusive
[10:28] <usama> maxen_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:29] <maxen_> thanks
[10:30] <usama> maxen_: np :)
[10:33] <flaccid> fredthemonkey: another bug. so you could be right. you might have to compile it.
[10:33] <flaccid> !iso | illusive
[10:34] <flaccid> !adept | maxen_
[10:34] <usama> From color management in kcontrol i am tring to change the active titlebar color but its not changing, can anylone tell me that why the color is not changing and how can i change it?
[10:34] <flaccid> i gtg
[10:34] <neoneurone> Hi all. I've just installed the Kubuntu-kde4 but Ubuntu seems to hang after display the line "Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20". Any idea please ?
[10:39] <fredthemonkey> well where can i submit a bugreport for these 2 broken packages?
[10:41] <flaccid> !bugs | fredthemonkey
[10:41] <flaccid> community would much appreciate that
[10:41] <flaccid> just make sure you include that missing file error etc. which is the most important part
[10:41] <fredthemonkey> flaccid: thanks
[10:41] <flaccid> np
[11:13] <vivzy> i need headr file conio.h..whch packg shud i install..?any1
[11:13] <Takeda> uhm.. it's an Official  chan ?
[11:14] <vivzy> can any1 help me?
[11:26] <jussi01> !find conio.h
[11:26] <nathan__> !find webmin
[11:26] <jussi01> vivzy: ^^
[11:27] <nathan__> !awstats
[11:27] <nathan__> !webmin
[11:27] <nathan__> !ebox
[11:27] <jussi01> !botabuse > nathan__
[11:28] <vivzy> hw can i get lib fnctions of conio.h???
[11:28] <jussi01> vivzy: what is the program wanting it?
[11:29] <vivzy> @<jussi01>:i wanna use the fnctn kbhit and getch..
[11:29] <jussi01> !tab vivzy
[11:30] <jussi01> !tab |  vivzy
[11:32] <vivzy> ubottu: thnx man..hehe..
[11:32] <vivzy> jussi01: dint get u?
[11:33] <jussi01> vivzy: I was calling the bot for you :)
[11:33] <jussi01> ubottu: is a bot
[11:33] <GTS> Can i connect to irc using telnet?
[11:33] <vivzy> ubottu: wh r bots?o
[11:34] <jussi01> vivzy:  bot is short for robot
[11:34] <vivzy> jussi01: yaya got tht..
[11:35] <vivzy> ubottu: can u  help me...pckg 4 conio.h?
[11:35] <vivzy> jussi01: hw to ask queries to the bot?
[11:36] <jussi01> !bot | vivzy
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> if i uninstall knetworkmanager will my network interfaces stop working or it merely a config tool?
[11:40] <bazhang> ActionParsnip, to use wicd or other
[11:41] <vivzy> jussi01: can u temme abt this factoids? hw n whn to use them
[11:41] <jussi01> vivzy: theyu are useful to call when someone needs information the bot has - it is just a way of saving time on frequently asked questions.
[11:42] <jussi01> if you want to play with them, go tot #ubuntu-bots and try them out
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> bazhang: im using wifi
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> bazhang: but is it just a config tool as i have manually populated /etc/network/interfaces
[11:43] <bazhang> ActionParsnip, well to use wicd you need to remove it, so guessing wifi will still function without it
[11:44] <yacc> ActionParsnip, in my personal experience, KNetworkManager stops working properly if you have something configured in interfaces, but you mileage may vary.
[11:44] <bazhang> ActionParsnip, ie using ifconfig etc will still function
[11:44] <yacc> ActionParsnip, but if you are prepared to manage the interfaces manually, you can drop it.
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> yacc: awesome, just trying to skim down my system
[11:44] <yacc> ActionParsnip, And naturally the backend that does the evil config stuff like network-manager
[11:45] <yacc> ActionParsnip, Well, there is a simple way to skim it down. Drop KDE, Drop Gnome, use something like ion3, and only the apps you need :-P
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> yacc: way ahead of you. Im using fluxbox
[11:47] <yacc> ActionParsnip, checkout ion3, it's clearly even more bare, OTOH, it's useful, it's optimized for non-mouse users :-P
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> yacc: Im checking it now
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> yacc: wow thats not too different to kde2 :D
[12:08] <Minnozz> Hi, I was changing the mount points of several drives in/attached to my pc, so I edited fstab. But now I'm wondering what controls what is displayed in "media:/", because it contains drives I don't want to be able to mount at all
[12:11] <Boinc> hi all, im thinking of switching to kubuntu but need to be sure it supports my hardware first. Does it support really high spec systems?
[12:12] <bazhang> Boinc, what specs
[12:14] <Boinc> Asus P5 mobo, Intel Quad q6850 extreme processor, Nvidia 8800GTX 768MB , Nvidia 8600GT 512MB, 4gig 1066 RAM, Triple Monitor, 3x Sata2 Drives (2 running raid 1)
[12:16] <Boinc> bazhang ^^
[12:18] <bazhang> !hcl | Boinc check this first
[12:20] <Boinc> bazhang - in the case of my mobo they dont have the exact same P5 as mine but they have others P5 boards by Asus. Is that a good indication it will work?
[12:21] <jussi01> Boinc: why dont you just grab a live cd and see?
[12:21] <Boinc> because i run a business and i cannot spare the time to be formatting, testing, and if it doenst work re-formatting and putting everything back
[12:22] <Boinc> if it works and makes my system more stable i can spare the time to mess around getting it working
[12:22] <Minnozz> !partition
[12:22] <Minnozz> !fstab
[12:22] <Boinc> ubottu - was that directed at me?
[12:23] <Boinc> Minnozz - was that directed at me?
[12:23] <jussi01> Boinc: a live cd meand you boot from the cd - the os runs from the cd, so you check it out without installing
[12:23] <Minnozz> Boinc: No sorry, I needed the info myself
[12:23] <Boinc> Minnozz - :)
[12:24] <jussi01> Minnozz: please use #ubuntu-bots for that in future
[12:24] <Boinc> jussi01 - but surely it wont have the drivers for my hardware on there?
[12:24] <jussi01> Boinc: except the nividia card drivers, of course it will
[12:24] <jussi01> Boinc: most of the drivers are built into the kernel
[12:25] <Boinc> ohhh excellent
[12:25] <Boinc> even for my network printer?
[12:25] <jussi01> Boinc: you can install stuff onto the "live" area and it installs them in your ram - so you can check out how things work without affecting your normal system at all
[12:25] <jussi01> Boinc: which printer?
[12:26] <Boinc> HO Photosmart C7200 series
[12:26] <Boinc> HP*
[12:27] <jussi01> Boinc: 1 moment please
[12:27] <Boinc> thanks for your help :)
[12:27] <inuka> hello, i have a partition on my hard drive that's not used by my kubuntu installation (it just stores random stuff), is there a way that i can set this to auto mount when kde starts?
[12:30] <jussi01> Boinc: that machine should work perfectly
[12:30] <jussi01> (the printer)
[12:30] <Boinc> ohh great
[12:30] <jussi01> Boinc: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PhotoSmart_C7200
[12:31] <bazhang> Boinc, have never had any probs with asus hw; have a similar mobo here; though your mileage may vary
[12:31] <bazhang> Boinc, ie no guarantees etc
[12:32] <Boinc> fantastic, which just leaves my nvidia gfx cards
[12:32] <jussi01> Boinc: you can install the drivers for them on the live cd to test also
[12:32] <jussi01> Boinc: the instrctions for them you can see here:
[12:32] <Boinc> yeah ive just downloaded a cd thats about 600+mb, is that the live cd?
[12:32] <jussi01> !ati
[12:32] <jussi01> Boinc: whats it called?
[12:33] <Boinc> kubuntu-kde4-8.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[12:33] <jussi01> yes, thats the live cd
[12:33] <Boinc> great, thanks
[12:33] <jussi01> Boinc: so pop over, load the cd and have a play
[12:33] <jussi01> Boinc: just remember - live cd performance... well I dont need to say it do i?
[12:34] <Boinc> wil be slow cos its running off a cd?
[12:34] <Boinc> will*
[12:34] <jussi01> yes, of course :)
[12:34] <bazhang> Boinc, of course the livecd will be slower
[12:34] <bazhang> :)
[12:35] <Boinc> ohh i have 1 more question if you dont mind.....
[12:35] <jussi01> go ahead!
[12:36] <Boinc> i run a website with a live help system called phplive. This requires something to be installed on my persoanl system to interact with the website for the support requests. This requires MS framework 1.1 to be installed on my system. Is there anyway around getting this to work on linux?
[12:36] <jussi01> hrm... /me doesnt know the answer to that one...
[12:37] <Boinc> is the only way to install an .exe file to install wine?
[12:38] <jussi01> Boinc: is it something I can login to to test from here?
[12:39] <Boinc> got an email address?
[12:43] <yacc> Boinc, no, you can also install Windows as such in a VM (vmware, VirtualBox, ...)
[12:44] <Boinc> yeah but i dont want to run a VM perminatly
[12:46] <inuka> is there a gui application that works in KDE 4.1 for mounting external drives and setting auto mount properties?
[12:47] <inuka> i was using kwikdisk before but it doesn't work since i upgraded my kde
[12:48] <jussi01> inuka: try asking in #kubuntu-kde4
[12:50] <inuka> thanks
[13:05] <beaf> hi together
[13:06] <beaf> i have a question
[13:06] <beaf> does anybody have see in his netstat -t sth like this wih kubuntu
[13:07] <beaf> kubuntu.loca:59471 64.12.24.218:aol
[13:10] <tchough> hi guys... i just did security updates and after a reboot, any account i graphically log in to is immediately logged out.  only console logins work
[13:10] <tchough> any ideas?
[13:10] <tchough> is there any sort of kde log that could tell me why it's borked up? the kdm log gives absolutely no clue except that it's not an xorg issue
[13:12] <ubuntu__> test
[13:13] <simi> hi, my alt+ta is not working normaly(it swittches application in  a ring and it do not gibe me back the previous application i used if i have more then 2 windows open)
[13:15] <xv3_> googd morning all
[13:16] <xv3_> my audio it's not working! how can i set up it?
[13:16] <jussi01> xv3_: what is your audio hardware?
[13:17] <Sir_Corgi> Can someone please help me?  I ran gnome-settings-daemon in the terminal in order to have my GTK apps take on the look of my GTK theme in GNOME.  But it turned out ugly and I want to undo it.  I don't know how.
[13:18] <jussi01> Sir_Corgi: tried killing gnome-settings-daemon?
[13:18] <Sir_Corgi> Let me try that.
[13:18] <Sir_Corgi> Thank you.
[13:18] <Sir_Corgi> It worked.
[13:18] <jussi01> :D
[13:18] <xv3_> jussi01
[13:18] <xv3_> i buy a lap top
[13:18] <Sir_Corgi> Sorry.  I'm just having trouble making my GTK apps use the Domino style.
[13:19] <xv3_> and my hardware it's intel i think, because my video bord it is
[13:19] <jussi01> !info gtk-qt-engine
[13:19] <jussi01> !intelhda | xv3_
[13:20] <jussi01> Sir_Corgi: install the above mentioned package
[13:20] <xv3_> thank you
[13:20] <Sir_Corgi> jussi01: I already have it installed.
[13:21] <Sir_Corgi> I set it to use my KDE theme in GTK apps, but for some reason it doesn't want to display Domino correctly.
[13:21] <Sir_Corgi> The buttons look like Domino buttons but have an odd-looking brown rectangle behind them.
[13:22] <jussi01> hrm
[13:22] <Sir_Corgi> Screenshot: http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk122/SpecKtacle/screenshot11-1.png
[13:23] <jussi01> try installing the scrollbar fix... maybe might help...
[13:24] <Sir_Corgi> Didn't work.
[13:25] <jussi01> Sir_Corgi: Im sorry, I have no answer top that
[13:25] <Sir_Corgi> That's okay.
[13:25] <Sir_Corgi> You at least helped me with the first problem.
[13:25] <jussi01> :)
[13:26] <Sir_Corgi> They need to develop a more Qt-friendly Firefox.
[13:26] <xv3_> jussi01
[13:26] <xv3_> maybe it's already installed
[13:26] <jussi01> Sir_Corgi: I cant wait for arora to get mature
[13:27] <xv3_> doesn't have a comand to set up it?
[13:27] <Sir_Corgi> What's arora?
[13:27]  * jussi01 reminds Sir_Corgi of this wonderful invention called google :D
[13:28]  * Sir_Corgi glares at jussi01, squinting in disdain.
[13:31] <illusive> could anyone recommend a better movie player than totem? :)
[13:31] <Sir_Corgi> mplayer
[13:31] <Sir_Corgi> vlc
[13:32] <illusive> I feel dumb now
[13:32] <illusive> really must be sunday - i'm not properly braining :P
[13:32] <illusive> thanks!
[13:32] <Sir_Corgi> I wasn't trying to make you feel dumb. lol
[13:32] <Sir_Corgi> No problem.
[13:32] <illusive> any idea how I can make an alias for sudo ?
[13:34] <illusive> it would be nice to write "Domo apt-get install" :P
[13:45] <KRF> illusive, alias Domo='sudo'
[13:46] <illusive> thanks :)
[13:46] <illusive> awesome :P
[13:47] <drif> anyone has knowledge why livecd doesn't work on Asus P5Q-E?
[13:55] <ubuntu__> Hi all
[13:58] <multifreq> leave
[14:09] <senorpedro> !help java
[14:09] <senorpedro> ! java
[14:09] <senorpedro> ! java 64bit
[14:09] <senorpedro> ! java amd64
[14:10] <senorpedro> ! java firefox
[14:11] <senorpedro> ! java plugin
[14:11] <senorpedro> does anybody know how to get the firefox java plugin to work under 8.04 amd64?
[14:14] <jussi01> !java64 | senorpedro
[14:19] <filo1234> hi to all i have an eeepc 900 with kubuntu hardy, the info on battery status are wrong, say me wich remaing 10 hours ...now :)
[14:29] <rafel> hola
[14:34] <snake73> hallo
[14:56] <Nix3r> kde4 remix is VERY buggy.. am i right? or am i the only one is having  troubles?
[14:59] <Jucato> Nix3r: #kubuntuy-kde4 please (and you kinda have to be bit more specific as to how it's buggy :)
[14:59] <Nix3r> applications
[15:00] <Nix3r> crashes
[15:00] <Nix3r> none responisve
[15:15] <darcy> flaccid: do you know why when I try to print in LaCie application for Lightscribe that I get an error message "printing requires root privileges"?
[15:16] <darcy> flaccid: I've tried researching and reading but I can't seem to find a fix.
[15:17] <h2i> oi, how can i get spanish characters in kubuntu?
[15:35] <sourcemaker> should i install -dev and -dbg files?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[15:38] <Dragnslcr> sourcemaker- do you need to?
[15:39] <sourcemaker> Dragnslcr: I am not sure... this files are only required for debugging? so i do not need.. right?
[15:39] <Dragnslcr> What makes you think you need them?
[15:40] <sourcemaker> Dragnslcr: to receive more informations why a application crashs :-) for example amarok *g*
[15:42] <Dragnslcr> If you know how to use the debugger, go for it. Otherwise you might want to wait for instructions from someone from the Amarok dev team
[15:49] <Mokoll> hi, dies anyone know, how i can get my 4 virtual workspaces to work? i just have 2, and it wont apply if i change it to four
[15:51] <snake73> cu
[16:01] <Tomika> Hi!
[16:01] <Tomika> Van itt magyarul beszélõ?
[16:02] <Tomika> Can anyone speak Hungarian?
[16:03] <Tomika> Can anyone speak Hungarian?
[16:03] <drmarwat> hello
[16:03] <Tomika> Hello
[16:03] <drmarwat> how to set my HP Laserjet 1018 printer on kubuntu?
[16:04] <Tomika> sorry I can't help you.
[16:04] <drmarwat> the system settings shows the printer already but it seems not to work still
[16:04] <drmarwat> do i need the firmware for it?
[16:05] <Tomika> Have you seen detailed settings?
[16:05] <noaXess> hi all
[16:05] <Tomika> hi
[16:05] <noaXess> i have dd'ed my 160gb hd to a 200gb hd.. no i have a free part of 40gb..
[16:05] <noaXess> i want no add this free 40gb to my first partition /dev/sda1
[16:06] <Tomika> edit the fstab file
[16:06] <noaXess> on /dev/sda2 is the extended partition with /dev/sda5 for swap (6gb)
[16:08] <toshatosha> авр
[16:08] <Jucato> !ru | toshatosha
[16:11] <noaXess> can i unmount my linux swap partition to move it to the end of my hd?
[16:14] <donsdl> Does anyone here know what -:0 in the list of processes is?
[16:15] <geir_> Yes as long as you (your maschine) dont need it.
[16:15] <geir_> Why move it to the end???
[16:17] <jeisma> how do i get my min/max/close buttons/toolbar back on my openoffice programs?
[16:19] <donsdl> jeisma: I just went through that on my system.  I'm not sure if I remember enough to be much help, but...
[16:19] <jasonago> hello
[16:20] <jasonago> what could be the major advantage of kubuntu over ubuntu?
[16:20] <donsdl> Go to System Settings:Appearance:Window Decorations:
[16:21] <jeisma> donsdl its just my open office programs not showing their titlebars
[16:21] <jeisma> donsdl ;(
[16:21] <jeisma> oops, i meant sad face
[16:21] <jeisma> anyway
[16:22] <donsdl> jeisma: Have you looked at a KDE window, like Firefox?
[16:23] <jeisma> yeah
[16:24] <donsdl> jeisma: If firefox is okay, must be a setting in OpenOffice (which I do not use).  Sorry, I cannot help beyond that.
[16:24] <jeisma> donsdl thanks anyway
[16:26] <egle> Hello is here onlx english support or german too?
[16:27] <Jucato> !de | egle
[16:28] <egle> ubottu: Thans for information so i can leave this ;)
[16:28] <emilsedgh> !de | egle
[16:29] <emilsedgh> hey Jucato :)
[16:29] <Jucato> emilsedgh: echo? :)
[16:41] <ubuntu> hi:)
[16:50] <ronr_laptop> hi, I'm trying to get sound to work on my kubuntu laptop, it works but the volume is extremely low and if I put in earphones i don't hear anything
[16:54] <maltedik> ronr_laptop: fire up "alsamixer" from konsole. the first entries are the most important, yank up pcm and master
[16:56] <ronr_laptop> maltedik: that helps a bit, but the headphone still doesn't work (I see a headphone entry in alsamixer but I can't increase it)
[16:57] <maltedik> then try starting "kmix" from alt+f2. there is a tab with options. maybe one of those will help
[16:58] <\bin\tclsh> hi
[16:58] <\bin\tclsh> exists some way to force to kubuntu tu use more swap instead use so much memory?
[16:58] <maltedik> btw: what application are you playing the soudn with, ronr_laptop? maybe it has a seperate vol-control, like amarok e.g.
[16:58] <KRF> \bin\tclsh, whats the benefit? slower programs?
[16:59] <\bin\tclsh> not really, i just have all memory used and swap just unused
[16:59] <ronr_laptop> maltedik: kaffeinne, it's set to max. sound; the boxes in the laptop just aren't that loud, that's why I want to use headphones
[17:00] <Jucato> !ram | \bin\tclsh
[17:00] <ronr_laptop> \bin\tclsh: that's a good thing
[17:00] <Jucato> \bin\tclsh: that's actually the point of RAM
[17:01] <Jucato> RAM/memory is lots faster than swap. swap (or as Windows calls it, virtual memory) should only be used as backup when RAM *really* runs out of space
[17:01] <\bin\tclsh> aha
[17:01] <psyco> Anyone know how to change this part of kopete http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5822/kopeteqg5.jpg  to a darker colour?
[17:01] <\bin\tclsh> so swap is only for emergency use
[17:02] <Jucato> \bin\tclsh: sort of. see the first link for more info
[17:02] <Pici> The Linux kernel will determine what should be using swap and what should be using RAM
[17:02] <\bin\tclsh> ok thanks
[17:02] <maltedik> ronr_laptop: hm. at that point my unlimited knowledge seems to be not that unlimited anymore :( ;)
[17:04] <ronr_laptop> maltedik: it amazes me too, the jack output on the laptop should just take over from the internal boxes right, no drivers or anything needed for such an output
[17:05] <elgokulo> ronr_laptop, often the output is muted. but you should see it quite quickly with i.e. kmix or alsamixer
[17:07] <ronr_laptop> elgokulo: the kmix (and alsamix) do show the headphones, not muted, but the volume slider just isn't there
[17:12] <ronr_laptop> I suspect kubuntu think I got something like 5.1 sound and has the outputs confused
[17:14] <neptum> Вау ахринеть я в ирц =)
[17:15] <Pici> !ru | neptum
[17:20] <guillermo> hola a todos
[17:26] <steveny> hello friendly people...my poor mp3 player is lost in a blackhole :( it worked great with 7.10...but now with 8.04 it is gone http://pastebin.com/m8865425
[17:27] <Anaconda> hi
[17:29] <bradhex> Running kubuntu 8.0.4, need help with this error when running apt-get -f install: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[17:31] <psycholic> hello all i have a problem i cant get my sound card to work and i think its because it need to be swiched to digital
[17:32] <psycholic> anyone know how to swich it to digital out put
[17:32] <psycholic> i have a audigy 2 zs
[17:33] <wesley> !adeptfix
[17:34] <guillermo> ALGUIEN SABE ESPAÑOL¿?
[17:34] <Pici> !es | guillermo
[17:35] <editing> ehm i have deleted my files and now to recover them?
[17:35] <psycholic> wesley is that for me?
[17:35] <wesley> no for myself
[17:35] <psycholic> ohh
[17:35] <psycholic> ok
[17:35] <wesley> its a command then the bot gives me the fix
[17:36] <psycholic> ahh that sounds cool
[17:37] <psycholic> is there a room to chat about hardware on this server?
[17:38] <Jucato> psycholic: ##hardware maybe?
[17:38] <psycholic> i'll give that a go thanks
[17:39] <psycholic> hot damn you where right thanks Jucato
[17:39] <Jucato> :)
[17:42] <bradhex> wesley: I wouldn't say that apt-get is locked, it's more like a package failure with libc6 and i can't resolve it
[17:44] <wesley> did i say anything about it i just know how to fix it
[17:44] <bradhex> i was just trying to be more specific about the issue
[17:53] <augusto> bom tarde. alguém pode dizer se o konsole suporta conversa em aúdio?
[17:53] <Jsn0327> After trying to return my laptop from standby mode, after grub, all i get is the blank screen.  I know that it has at least started to initalize ubuntu because my wifi light is blinking which means that the driver was loaded.  I've had this problem before but it was a while back and I can't remember what I did to fix it.  I think that I had to do something through recovery mode.  I am running gusty.  Can someone please help me out?
[17:58] <psycholic> how do i start the alsa confige menu in term?
[18:01] <GWillakers> psycholic: do a "apropos alsa" and see if anything there will work for you.
[18:03] <psycholic> ok i see the problem my onboard sound card is the one thats active
[18:03] <psycholic> how can i change that
[18:04] <psycholic> ahh aconnect
[18:04] <Assurbanipal> hey guys, can someone help me through installing oxygen openoffice?
[18:12] <Assurbanipal> hey guys, can someone help me through installing oxygen openoffice?
[18:15] <Dr_willis> Never heard of Oxygen Openoffice...
[18:24] <rhubarb> heya, not the specific place to ask, but I figured someone here would know: its been a long time since I built a PC, what should I buy these days. Or is there a channel for this
[18:25] <jussi01> rhubarb: youd probably get a better response fron #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:26] <rhubarb> ah kk
[18:26] <Dr_willis> You meaning 'buy' vs 'build your own' ?
[18:26] <rhubarb> no build...
[18:27] <rhubarb> unless buy is cheaper these days?
[18:27] <rhubarb> I'll be in offtopic ubuntu
[18:27] <Dr_willis> Buy will proberly be cheaper. (it always has been basicially) but wigh building your own- you get exactly what you want.
[18:28] <rhubarb> mm
[18:30] <Dr_willis> There are getting to be many sites that sell preinstalled ubuntu systems also. :) worth checking out.
[18:38] <donsdl> Anyone know of a write-up on how I can change the colors of the ls command?
[18:39] <jonathan__> okay this one should be simple: Try and load warsow but wine trys to load it up instead
[18:40] <jonathan__> its the warsow i386 file
[18:42] <robigno> j amici
[18:44] <Maska> hello there, did someone noticed or reported the Kubuntu.org RSS feed issue? (or it just has been canceled or something?) thank you.
[18:45] <faiz> lisy
[18:47] <pooplumbpie> ive been stupid and zoomed in with my mouse
[18:47] <pooplumbpie> how do i zoom out?
[18:48] <pooplumbpie> cmon help how do i zoom out
[18:52] <pooplumbpie> how do i zoom out my desktop is all huge :(
[18:52] <pooplumbpie> i did it by accident
[18:52] <Maska> you zoom using what?
[18:53] <Maska> i mean, what app...
[18:53] <pooplumbpie> mouse and rested my hand on my keyboard then suddenly everything super sized
[18:53] <pooplumbpie> no app just the entire desktop
[18:54] <slow-motion> hi
[18:54] <Maska> you mean the screen display or an Magnify effect like Compiz?
[18:54] <Maska> a*
[18:54] <pooplumbpie> hmmm.........
[18:54] <pooplumbpie> magnify effect
[18:55] <Maska> ok, so i just want to know, with what programme you do that?
[18:56] <Pici> pooplumbpie: Try holding down the super key (the windows key) and scrolling your mouse wheel
[18:56] <pooplumbpie> okay
[18:57] <pooplumbpie> hmmm
[18:57] <Squall> hola
[18:57] <pooplumbpie> could be compiz
[18:57] <Squall> como estan?
[18:57] <Pici> !es | Squall
[18:57] <pooplumbpie> ah crap the windows key isnt zooming out
[18:57] <vitojejo> pici #kubuntu-es
[18:57] <Tiaguinho_20> It have portuguese?
[18:58] <pooplumbpie> i have no idea how my desktop is doing this
[18:58] <Pici> Tiaguinho_20: no, #ubuntu-br or #ubuntu-pt does though
[18:58] <Tiaguinho_20> thanks
[18:58] <pooplumbpie> ah nevermind ill be back in a hour anyways
[18:58] <pooplumbpie> brb
[18:58] <pooplumbpie> thanks anyway
[19:01] <Downix> Hello everyone
[19:02] <Downix> I just tried a Kubuntu + KDE4 install on a Xeon and it's just not working right.  Can't get it to run WINE for anything
[19:03] <Downix> very odd as I have the normal Kubuntu on my other machine
[19:10] <nicola> ciao
[19:12] <Calida> hi there, as i am not sure how this works here i am just going to pop my question. I have problems with my raid on my kubuntu machine, and i would need help if anyone is able to help me with it ;)
[19:14] <simula> what file do i modify to permanently add a path to my include paths?
[19:17] <rokra> lu
[19:18] <drmarwat> hello
[19:18] <drmarwat> anybody used Remastersys Backup on kubuntu?
[19:24] <Downix> it is sad when it looks as if the kubuntu w/ KDE4 is broken
[19:30] <Calida> anyone who can help me with raids problems?
[19:30] <Downix> I'm in much the same boat, so no help
[19:30] <ciacon> hi folks - is it possible to install kubuntu on a g4 iBook and what 'hardware-difficulties' should / may I expect?
[19:38] <wesley> !adeptfix
[19:38] <fabien__> ki est partan pour une lan sur urban terror?
[19:39] <KRF> !fr
[19:40] <kray> Hi. I'm having trouble with resume on my x61t. I just see a blank screen with a text cursor.
[19:50] <ciacon> hi folks - where can I find kubuntu for ppc??
[19:52] <genii> ciacon: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/8.04/release/
[19:52] <genii> ciacon: Thats the Ubuntu release but you can install the kde desktop with kubuntu-desktop
[19:52] <ciacon> genii: thanks =)
[19:53] <genii> ciacon: np
[20:06] <kray> Hi. I'm having trouble with resume on my x61t. I just see a blank screen with a text cursor after resuming. I can change virtual terminals but not type anything.
[20:12] <bbeck> join #kde4
[20:14] <genii> kray: Perhaps see http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installation_instructions_for_the_ThinkPad_X61 section regarding suspend/resume fix
[20:15] <raavi> How to set the cpufreq-selector always to performance?
[20:16] <evan__> hello, how can i prevent raptormenu from autostarting at login?
[20:22] <aakash> Hello all! Is there a reason why Shell (Konsole) starts on boot?
[20:23] <k350> is there any way I cna remove all kde related things form my machine with apt?
[20:23] <genii> !puregnome | k350
[20:23] <aakash> I love how eeveryone knows all these commands, like !xxx
[20:23] <genii> aakash: Likely because you have session saving on where Konsole has been running. So it loads every time
[20:24] <k350> ubottu: thanks a lot!:)
[20:24] <genii> k350: You're welsome
[20:24] <genii> *welcome
[20:24] <k350> http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome/c
[20:24] <k350> oups
[20:24] <aakash> lol, ok thanks genil
[20:25] <genii> aakash: np
[20:25] <bopferman> How do you disable session saving?
[20:26] <genii> System Settings...Advanced tab... Session Manager
[20:27] <bopferman> Thanks!
[20:27] <genii> bopferman: You're welcome
[20:28] <pulaski> Hi, I'm trying to --purge a deb package I just installed and using the name "bjfiltercups-2.4-1.i386.deb" but I got the following error: "dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in" does anyone know what name I should use?
[20:30] <genii> pulaski: To find the name to use, perhaps search the apt database like: apt-cache search bjfiltercups                      then use the name which seems most appropriate in the remove/purge command
[20:31] <pulaski> genii: Thanks for responding, I'll try it.
[20:31] <genii> pulaski: Likely the name is just bjfiltercups
[20:33] <pulaski> genii: Bingo! Thanks a lot
[20:34] <pulaski> genii: gotta go, my friend.
[20:34] <genii> pulaski: Have fun
[20:42] <lisaAa> Hi guys, I'm at the end of beta test for my website and looking for feedback from internet savvy people. mind if I post url please?
[20:42] <crimsun> kubuntu-offtopic and/or ubuntu-offtopic may be more appropriate
[20:42] <genii> Yes
[20:43] <darcy> does anyone know why when I try to print in LaCie Lightscribe softwarein GUI I get an error message "printing requires root privileges"?
[20:45] <darcy> Anyone use Wine before?
[20:45] <darcy> I'm tyring to use a program that I installed and it has all the background as black and I can't see the text. Any ideas.
[20:55] <darcy> anyone????????????
[20:55] <darcy> does anyone know why when I try to print in LaCie Lightscribe software I get an error message "printing requires root privileges"?
[20:59] <Dragnslcr> darcy- probably because you didn't run it with kdesu
[21:15] <Erikw> .
[21:17] <dave11> great...kopete wont shut down
[21:21] <graham> hey any1 using kde 4.1? I got a problem with sound :( i got sound for notifications but VLC and amarok play nothing
[21:22] <aakash> usin KDE4, and i also have a problem with sound :(
[21:25] <MrKennie_> graham: checked the mixer?
[21:26] <mado-ka> hallo leute ... koennt ihr mir weiterhelfen? ... ich wuerde gerne meine aufloesung aendern aber es klappt nicht
[21:26] <mado-ka> der computer hat eine "geforce 9500"
[21:27] <MrKennie_> graham: I got unusual controls for my hardware in kmix under kde4.1, trial and error got that working properly.
[21:27] <aakash> !es
[21:27] <wesley> sieg nach der deutsche hilfe
[21:27] <mado-ka> sorry wesley :)
[21:27] <wesley> #kubuntu-de ?
[21:28] <wesley> thats for dictators
[21:29] <mado-ka> wesley: my problem is ...
[21:29] <mado-ka> i can't change the screen-resolution ... and i don't know why
[21:29] <sourcemaker> is there a software to check the system availability of 5 systems... offline/online... ?
[21:29] <mado-ka> there is nothing to download in the restricted-driver-section
[21:29] <mado-ka> the computer has a geforce 9500
[21:30] <mado-ka> can you help me? wesley?
[21:30] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  clarify that problem a bit more.  - You basicially want to see if 5 different machines are up or down?
[21:30] <terran4000> Hey, does anyone know how to enable multi-key mode for keyboard shortcuts in kde4?
[21:30] <MrKennie_> mado-ka: tried apt-get install nvidia-glx-new ?
[21:30] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  or specific services on those machines. :)
[21:30] <kray> Hi. I'm having trouble with resume on my x61t in kubuntu. I just see a blank screen with a text cursor after resuming. I can change virtual terminals but not type anything.
[21:30] <MrKennie_> mado-ka: although the restricted driver tool should manage that for you.
[21:31] <mado-ka> MrKennie_: ... not yet ... i'm a beginner with linux so i don't know what to do :) ... i will try that now MrKennie_
[21:31] <mado-ka> the tool you said didn't show me anything
[21:31] <aakash> kray: is that after rebooting
[21:31] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis: I have a about 10 linux servers and I whould like to now... if all systems are running correctly... like a simple html report on a central monitoring system...
[21:31] <MrKennie_> mado-ka: hm
[21:31] <mado-ka> i install nvidia-glx-new now
[21:32] <kray> After rebooting? No after suspending to ram.
[21:32] <mado-ka> and see if something changes
[21:32] <mado-ka> do i have to reboot the computer after the installation?
[21:32] <aakash> try logging out, mado-ka
[21:32] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  ive used 'sing' (a enhanced ping) to do some scripting that went dowmn the list and told me what machines were up.down. there are heartbeat monitors. I recall also to see if machines are up.
[21:32] <aakash> kray: so all you see is a blank screen?
[21:32] <mado-ka> ok aakash. ... i'll be back
[21:32] <MrKennie_> yes, but you will have to configure xorg.conf yourself iirc
[21:32] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis: ok
[21:32] <kray> At first it displays a text cursor.
[21:32] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  theres some other packages  in the package manager that maybe better suited to your needs also.
[21:32] <mado-ka> i will log out and come here again
[21:33] <kray> Then I can switch virtual terminals. If I switch to the terminal 7 I see a blank screen and cant do anything at all after that.
[21:34] <Dr_willis> tkping - Perl/Tk app. - Monitor hosts on network
[21:35] <mado-ka> aakash ... i'm back ...
[21:35] <mado-ka> it didn't help
[21:35] <aakash> mado-ka : what did you install?
[21:35] <aakash> kray: give me a minute to think
[21:35] <mado-ka> i still can't change the screen-resolution
[21:35] <mado-ka> nvidia-glx-new
[21:35] <aakash> mado-ka: how are you trying to change the resolution?
[21:36] <mado-ka> system -> settings -> screen-resolution
[21:36] <aakash> and it doesnt let you? or you do it but no change
[21:37] <mado-ka> no ... thing is ... when i do the thing i told you and look in the pop-up-menu ... there isn't an entry with e.g. "1024 x 768"
[21:37] <mado-ka> sorry ... not pop-up ... drop-down i mean!
[21:38] <aakash> Hmm
[21:38] <mado-ka> do i have to edit a specific file?
[21:38] <aakash> What are you running? KDE4?
[21:38] <mado-ka> gnome :)
[21:38] <aakash> Not that I know of, you may want to ask Doc here
[21:38] <kray> KDE#
[21:38] <kray> KDE3
[21:39] <aakash> I see
[21:39] <aakash> So what are you running on right now? (the resoluition)
[21:40] <kray> 1400x1050
[21:40] <aakash> Wow, lol okay
[21:40] <mado-ka> erm -> 800 x 600 aakash
[21:40] <aakash> Ah k
[21:40] <mado-ka> but i need at least 1024 x 768
[21:41] <Lynoure> Suddenly (after upgrades) my FF3 started giving Assertion Failed on search strings and opening an empty window when I want to bookmark tabs :(
[21:41] <kray> I've read about people having a totally blank screen with no backligh on my model after resuming but can't seem to find any information about my particular problem.
[21:41] <compilerwriter> Ladies and Gents I am trying to try out Kubuntu on an Acer 4520 Laptop.  I am having trouble getting into the boot menu to get the machine to boot from its disk drive though.  Any suggestions?
[21:42] <compilerwriter> s/disk drive/dvd-rom
[21:43] <darcy> does anyone know why when I try to print in LaCie Lightscribe softwarein GUI I get an error message "printing requires root privileges"?
[21:43] <aakash> compilerwriter: you need to change the BIOS settings on the ACER
[21:43] <aakash> too boot from CD
[21:43] <aakash> mado - try updating the system
[21:43] <compilerwriter> aakash I know that but am having trouble getting to the bios.
[21:43] <aakash> mado: sudo apt-get pudate
[21:43] <aakash> *update
[21:43] <darcy>  I'm tyring to use a program that I installed through Wine and it has all the background as black and I can't see the text. Any ideas.
[21:43] <aakash> compilerwrite: what's the problem? is it password protected or you can't access it in general
[21:44] <mado-ka> already did aakash
[21:44] <aakash> mado-ka: if you see Dr_willis around, ask him -- i'm sure he'll find a solution
[21:44] <aakash> mado-ka: sorry :(
[21:44] <mado-ka> ok aakash
[21:45] <mado-ka> where is this Dr_willis now?
[21:45] <aakash> He was here a few minutes ago
[21:46] <darcy> Dr_willis: any ideas on my question
[21:46] <mado-ka> uhuu ... well then ... i'll wait
[21:46] <mado-ka> it looks like he is helping darcy
[21:47] <sourcemaker> is strigi already included in kde4?
[21:48] <Dr_willis> busy atm sorry
[21:48] <darcy> np
[21:48] <mado-ka> Dr_willis: i will wait
[21:53] <jparishy-> Hey, installed kubuntu on my external hdd, that is connected to my computer via usb, and for some reason, I guess I did something wrong, when I start my computer without the external hdd plugged in, I can't start up windows that's on the actual HardDrive in the computer. The grub screen comes up and fails with error 21
[22:03] <CrocoJet> hi all ! How I can set firefox to start in full screen in kubuntu 8.04 ?
[22:03] <CrocoJet> my resolution is 1280x1024
[22:06] <compilerwriter> aakash I figured out how to get to the bios finally.  Now how do I configure the blasted wireless connection for internet?
[22:07] <dwidmann_laptop> I'm running amarok via ssh (using laptop to run it on my desktop .... kind of like a remote control :) ), but now the collection disappeared, and I can't re-add - as i'm getting some sort of "cannot talk to klauncher" error
[22:10] <Mikeb4> Ubuntu is telling me I ran out of space, but a lot of my device is not being used...any answers?
[22:11] <dwidmann_laptop> Mikeb4: what does "df -h" output?
[22:12] <Mikeb4> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:12] <Mikeb4> /host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk
[22:12] <Mikeb4>                        13G   13G   54M 100% /
[22:12] <Mikeb4> varrun                505M  128K  505M   1% /var/run
[22:12] <Mikeb4> varlock               505M     0  505M   0% /var/lock
[22:12] <Mikeb4> udev                  505M   36K  505M   1% /dev
[22:12] <Mikeb4> devshm                505M   84K  505M   1% /dev/shm
[22:12] <Mikeb4> overflow              1.0M   56K  968K   6% /tmp
[22:12] <Mikeb4> gvfs-fuse-daemon       13G   13G   54M 100% /home/mike/.gvfs
[22:12] <Mikeb4> tmpfs                 505M   39M  467M   8% /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/volatile
[22:12] <dwidmann_laptop> !paste
[22:12] <dwidmann_laptop> (for future reference)
[22:12] <Mikeb4> sorry im new
[22:13] <sbattey> My synaptics touch pad does not work after a suspend to ram, in ubuntu hardy
[22:13] <psyco> Anyone know how to change the colour of the kopete message window. http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5822/kopeteqg5.jpg
[22:13] <dwidmann_laptop> Looks like your one partition (/host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk) is definitely full, looks like the gvfs thing is full also.
[22:13] <dwidmann_laptop> Try emptying the trash?
[22:14] <Mikeb4> but its not using all of my 75 gigs
[22:14] <Mikeb4> anyway to have it access the whole drive?
[22:15] <dwidmann_laptop> Mikeb4: looks to me like you have a 13G root partition, and that's the one that is full
[22:15] <dwidmann_laptop> Mikeb4: try "sudo apt-get autoclean" and that should free up a fair amount of space
[22:16] <dwidmann_laptop> It'll delete cached package files that aren't being used anymore.
[22:17] <Mikeb4> it did gimme a bit of space...guess ill just have to start some deleting...thanks tho
[22:17] <dwidmann_laptop> Mikeb4: after that, install the package "filelight" and use it to see where the disk space hog is.
[22:18] <sbattey> My synaptics touch pad does not work after a suspend to ram, in ubuntu hardy
[22:19] <jparishy> Hey, sorry I left so abruptly, if anyone did say anything, I'd appreciate it if you repeat it
[22:21] <oobe> jparishy, i said somthing
[22:21] <dwidmann_laptop> !repeat | sbattey
[22:21] <oobe> wait no i didnt
[22:22] <jparishy> dwidmann_laptop: I restarted and I wasn't sure if someone had said something and I missed it, I didn't re-ask my question...
[22:23] <oobe> !paymore-attention-b4-you-jump-to-conclusions dwidmann_laptop
[22:24] <dwidmann_laptop> jparishy: that wasn't directed at you
[22:24] <jparishy> oobe: no need to be a jerk about it
[22:24] <jparishy> dwidmann_laptop: I guess that clears it up :P Sorry
[22:25] <Mikeb4> ﻿dwidmann_laptop: Thanks the program is neat. What is root.disk & swap.disk? They seem to take up a lot of space. I figure that they are Ubuntu essentials, but is 15GB of space normal?
[22:26] <CrocoJet> I made install firefox 3, and I would like that firefox start in full screen, is this possible ?
[22:27] <dwidmann_laptop> Mikeb4: using 15 GB for root is probably abnormalish
[22:27] <aakash> Crocojet: Before you close Firefox, hit F11 (full screen)
[22:27] <CrocoJet> oh ok let me test
[22:28] <CrocoJet> aakash: thank you !
[22:28] <aakash> :)
[22:28] <dwidmann_laptop> I'm using 10G myself Mikeb4
[22:28] <aakash> No problem
[22:29] <Mikeb4> ﻿dwidmann_laptop: So would you say I'd need to worry about this?
[22:29] <dwidmann_laptop> Mikeb4: swap is usually a seperate partition, if you come from the windows world they call it "virtual memory" there, it's where things go when you run out of room in real memory.
[22:29] <dwidmann_laptop> Mikeb4: being all the way out is probably not good I'd say.
[22:31] <dwidmann_laptop> Mikeb4: if you click on the partition in question in filelight, it will give you a folder-by-folder breakdown of where the files that take up a lot of space are located, where is it being used up at?
[22:32] <dwidmann_laptop> Mikeb4: if you're unfortunate such that it's /usr, you'd only be able to fix by enlarging the partition (unlikely doable), or removing programs you don't use.
[22:33] <Mikeb4> ﻿dwidmann_laptop: Well I do have Windows and Ubuntu running on my laptop. I usually use Ubuntu for everything, and switch to Windows when necessary. But I notice that on Windows i have so much space, and on Ubuntu i was cut short.
[22:34] <aakash> Anyone know of CS3 for Kubuntu?
[22:35] <dwidmann_laptop> Mikeb4: care to !pastebin (see the channel topic for a link) the output of this command?  sudo parted  /dev/sda print
[22:43] <Mikeb4> i can't find !postbin =-(
[22:43] <dave11> !pastebin
[22:43] <Mikeb4> Disk /dev/sda: 80.0GB
[22:43] <Mikeb4> Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
[22:43] <Mikeb4> Partition Table: msdos
[22:43] <Mikeb4> Number  Start   End     Size    Type     File system  Flags
[22:43] <Mikeb4>  1      32.3kB  78.5GB  78.5GB  primary  ntfs         boot
[22:43] <Mikeb4> Information: Don't forget to update /etc/fstab, if necessary.
[22:44] <Mikeb4> Disk /dev/sda: 80.0GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos  Number  Start   End     Size    Type     File system  Flags  1      32.3kB  78.5GB  78.5GB  primary  ntfs         boot   Information: Don't forget to update /etc/fstab, if necessary.
[22:44] <Mikeb4> like that?
[22:44] <dave11> follow the link above
[22:45] <Mikeb4> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27141/plain/
[22:45] <Mikeb4> like that?
[22:45] <dave11> yes
[22:45] <Mikeb4> yay!
[22:47] <Mikeb4> ﻿dwidmann_laptop: ﻿ http://paste.ubuntu.com/27141/plain/
[22:47] <EnMasse187> guys i just wanna say one thing
[22:47] <EnMasse187> penismonkey, that is all...
[22:48] <dave11> feel better?
[22:48] <EnMasse187> yes much better
[22:48] <CrocoJet> what is it ?
[22:48] <EnMasse187> i just had to get that off my chest
[22:48] <EnMasse187> i got mad
[22:48] <dave11> good..:)
[22:48] <EnMasse187> because linux can't run my favorite apps
[22:48] <EnMasse187> i do music
[22:48] <CrocoJet> mad is not magazine mande in USA ?
[22:48] <EnMasse187> and it can't run reason, cubase, or SONAR!
[22:48] <CrocoJet> mande = made
[22:48] <dave11> !patience
[22:49] <EnMasse187> i know stfu ubottu
[22:49] <EnMasse187> dave11: can i say it again?
[22:49] <EnMasse187> getting  mad again
[22:49] <CrocoJet> EnMasse187: thing more crazy
[22:49] <dave11> i wouldnt
[22:49] <aakash> anyone having issues with Wine? I can't install .exe's
[22:50] <Dr_willis>   wine /path/to/whatever/installer.exe
[22:50] <Dr_willis> and see what error messages ya get.
[22:50] <EnMasse187> yes MUCH MORE CRAZY
[22:50] <EnMasse187> ready?
[22:50] <dave11> the techs dont like getting off topic
[22:50] <EnMasse187> are you guys ready to hear it?
[22:50] <EnMasse187> okay sorry
[22:51] <Mikeb4> the volume, play, pause... buttons on my dell laptop stopped working out of nowhere...any ideas?
[22:51] <aakash> Dangit! thanks doc
[22:52] <CrocoJet> Mikeb4: if your laptop came with windows ... and others stuffs ... better use
[22:53] <Mikeb4> But at first Ubuntu and those bottons were working fine...but now they dont...
[22:54] <buckethead> Just pushed the server to Hardy LTS. Wish me luck!
[22:58] <aakash> command to create folder?
[22:58] <aakash> mk dir?
[23:00] <dwidmann_laptop> Mikeb4: looks like a WUBI install?
[23:02] <Nyad> hi. Is there anything wrong with installing all my apps from source and removing them with make uninstall etc. can it result in one program removing vital files for another program?
[23:02] <dave11> wonder when workspot.com will be up?
[23:03] <dave11> sry for offtopic question
[23:04] <aakash> when using wine -- how can you make it root access? (im getting this message: Please check that your disk is not full and that you have access to the destination directory."
[23:05] <dwidmann_laptop> Nyad: well, smart thing to do would be to have it put its files in /usr/local or /opt instead, so that there shouldn't be any overlap, (even though there shouldn't be overlap to begin with, but you can never be too careful)
[23:05] <dave11> !offtopic
[23:06] <Nyad> dwidmann_laptop: how do I tell it to do that?
[23:06] <Mikeb4> what is a WUBI install?
[23:06] <dwidmann_laptop> Nyad: ./configure --prefix=/path/where/you/want/toi/install
[23:07] <dave11> !wubi
[23:07] <Nyad> Mikeb4: pure awesome
[23:08] <Nyad> dwidmann_laptop: thanks
[23:08] <Mikeb4> is WUBI something i need to download or install?
[23:09] <dave11> wubi is a installer
[23:09] <Nyad> it comes with the CD
[23:09] <dave11> for windows systems
[23:09] <dave11> no
[23:10] <dave11> website
[23:10] <dave11> website installer
[23:10] <Pici> Its on the LiveCDs
[23:12] <Mikeb4> so wait its for windows or ubuntu?
[23:13] <dave11> http://wubi.sourceforge.net/
[23:13] <Mikeb4> ok i see
[23:13] <dave11> it puts ubuntu on windows like a program
[23:13] <dave11> or other ubuntu distros
[23:14] <Nyad> Mikeb4: basically it allows you to install ubuntu while your in windows, well it does the basic setup and then you restart and it continues. it makes a folder called ubuntu somewhere on your ntfs filesystem which is the size you tell it to be. so you don't even need to partition your drive
[23:14] <Mikeb4> yeah i think that's how i installed ubuntu
[23:15] <rodolinux> hi guys,
[23:15] <rodolinux> I needed help with something
[23:15] <dave11> !ask
[23:16] <rodolinux> this stupid Hardware Drivers keeps popping up
[23:16] <rodolinux> with the NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver in it, enabled is checked and Status is in use
[23:16] <rodolinux> is there any way to make it stop popping up
[23:18] <graham> any1 here no how to fix sound issues on kde 4.1?
[23:18] <Nyad> is kde 4.1 out!!!????
[23:18] <Nyad> nvm
[23:19] <rodolinux> so, can anyone help me with this retarded Hardware drivers popup thing
[23:19] <rodolinux> please
[23:19] <dave11> !patience
[23:19] <rodolinux> i am just asking
[23:20] <dave11> instant gratification is a bit slow here..:)
[23:20] <rodolinux> :P , sorry there, I didnt mean to be pushy
[23:20] <darcy> Dr_willis: sorry I was away for a bit there. would that help to explain why the background is black?
[23:22] <j978> is there a way to do an "apt-get downgrade"?, i just removed the kde4.1 beta repository (ppa.launchpad.net) and would like to roll back the upgrade
[23:23] <dave11> sometimes you get your questions answered..sometimes you don't.. it took me awhile to figure that out
[23:24] <rodolinux> :P I have been looking on google for ages and I couldnt find an answer.. but now it stopped lol
[23:24] <craig> hey all
[23:24] <rodolinux> it was just trying to drive me crazy a little bit
[23:24] <dave11> i understand..we all go through it at first
[23:26] <rodolinux> alright, well... if anyone needs any help... I am ready for the task now :)
[23:27] <Nyad> rodolinux: it stops asking you after a while.
[23:28] <Nyad> mine went away like that
[23:28] <rodolinux> I know, it stopped now, after I started pulling my hairs out!!!
[23:28] <dave11> patience and persistence pays off... asking at different times of the day and night works also
[23:28] <rodolinux> it was driving me crazy
[23:29] <rodolinux> but i am learning to calm down
[23:29] <rodolinux> heh
[23:29] <Nyad> anyone else notice the irony that just occured?
[23:29] <dave11> :)
[23:32] <Nyad> btw does anyone know how to make middle click stop pasting from the clipboard? I have an unbreakable habit to keep pressing it and it bugs me that it pastes things coz I sometimes accidentally past it on irc
[23:32] <Nyad> *paste
[23:34] <opsi_> disable your middle click :-)
[23:35] <Nyad> I need it for some things
[23:35] <Nyad> just that in text boxes it pastes
[23:35] <apachelogger> well
[23:35] <apachelogger> don't press it unless you need it
[23:35] <opsi_> yes it was just a good (funny) answer of your question
[23:35] <opsi_> another good answer too :-D
[23:36] <Nyad> true]
[23:40] <apachelogger> well, that is either a bad habbit you should change or a bad mouse, which should be changed as well
[23:41] <AndrewMohawk> what dnsd is recommended for kubuntu?
[23:41] <Dr_willis> dnsd?
[23:41] <apachelogger> hey AndrewMohawk
[23:41] <apachelogger> glad you stopped by
[23:44] <Dragnslcr> AndrewMohawk- I assume you mean DNS server? Probably bind
[23:48] <Dr_willis> !sudo
[23:51] <Nyad> !chmod
[23:51] <Nyad> !cd
[23:53] <arnaud__> hello
[23:55] <bomber> hello
[23:56] <AndrewMohawk> Dragnslcr: thanks, i used pdns
[23:56] <bomber> I am trying to get grub back as my bootloader after a bimonthly xp install
[23:56] <bomber> and im not having any luck
[23:57] <bomber> its an sata drive
[23:58] <bomber> im running the live cd right now
[23:58] <bomber> the instructions seem to be to run "grub" then do "find /boot/grub/stage1"
[23:59] <bomber> then do "root hd0" or whatever the find line returns