[00:12] <Jordan_U> According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Intrepid/Report/Kernel there are plans to use grub2 for intrepid, how likely is this to actually happen? I didn't think grub2 was that mature yet
[00:18] <daekdroom> As far as I know it's not
[00:19] <daekdroom> and about that dri2 thing you posted earlier, it's no big deal. DRI2 is not ready.
[00:49] <krsnadasa> Error inserting iwl4965 (/lib/modules/2.6.26-3-generic/updates/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl4965.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) any idea any one ?
[00:50] <papabean> I have an extra partition to install Intrepid.  How likely is "total system failure?"
[00:50] <papabean> Not that I don't back things up as it is.
[00:52] <td123> papabean: what do you mean total system failure? like the whole drive losing it's partitioning or just the intrepid partition going down / breaking?
[00:53] <papabean> I was reading the topic and that sprang to mind.  But, in fairness, the whole drive?  Unlikely, I imagine.   Correct?
[00:53] <td123> papabean: ya
[00:53] <daekdroom> papabean, Try to keep Grub under Hardy's control, tho :p
[00:53] <td123> papabean: I guess you will have lots of bugs in the actual os which are going to be annoying
[00:54] <papabean> If grub fails, would an install/rescue cd be sufficient to bring it back?  Or at least to get back into the Hardy partition and reinstall the boot loader?
[00:55] <papabean> td123: How is that different from running Linux in general?  ;)
[00:55] <daekdroom> In Ubuntu stable, you'll get such bugs if you active backports/proposed, only.
[00:55] <td123> papabean: well, imagine a normal distro, and then multiply the annoying bugs by some k greater than 10 :P
[00:56] <papabean> I once built an LFS all the way to X.  I'm comfortable with bugs.  :)
[00:56] <krsnadasa> Error inserting iwl4965 (/lib/modules/2.6.26-3-generic/updates/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl4965.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) any idea any one ?
[00:58] <td123> papabean: congrats, I personally tried that but I got sick of typing/waiting (I only had 1 machine to do it on)
[00:59] <papabean> td123: Tried it again recently on a laptop and that was utter fail.  That's what led me to Ubuntu.
[01:00] <papabean> So, I'd like to "help shape Ubuntu" and am willing to give up stability for the cause.
[01:01] <papabean> Is there an installer for intrepid?  Didn't see it on the wiki page?  Or is it a matter of installing 8.04 and dist-upgrade?
[01:03] <daekdroom> You can download an alternate installation ISO or install 8.04 and put up a update-manager -d
[01:08] <papabean> Where would I find an alternate install ISO for Intrepid?
[01:08] <papabean> Hold that thought.  New quassel build is done.  brb.
[01:10] <papabean> ok. back.
[01:11] <Dogg> I want to use pygtk for development, but I'm having trouble getting it installed. Are there instructions anywhere?
[01:12] <DanaG> ARgh, iwl3945 sucks.
[01:12] <DanaG> Toggling rfkill should NOT permanently disable the interrupt of the wifi card!
[01:12] <DanaG> I have to MANUALLY reload the driver when that happens.
[01:12] <Jordan_U> papabean: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-2/
[01:12] <papabean> Thank you.
[01:12] <krsnadasa> DanaG: yay another iwlwifi user :D
[01:13] <DanaG> So much for "Intel is better!"
[01:13] <krsnadasa> DanaG: whats the problem ?
[01:13] <DanaG> ipw3945 driver never had these issues!
[01:13] <krsnadasa> lol i am using 4965, try that ;P
[01:13] <Jordan_U> DanaG: At least your driver is working
[01:13] <DanaG> Try activating the hardware rfkill switch... and see that your network interface disappears after a while.
[01:13] <DanaG> Look in dmesg, and the last line will be:
[01:14] <DanaG> er, 3 lines.
[01:14] <DanaG> [   63.294945] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
[01:14] <DanaG> [   63.498987] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
[01:14] <DanaG> [   63.498987] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:03:00.0 disabled
[01:14] <DanaG> The first two are repeated several times.
[01:14] <DanaG> And boom.... card is gone.
[01:14] <krsnadasa> i can;t even get my card loaded LOL
[01:14] <krsnadasa> Error inserting iwl4965 (/lib/modules/2.6.26-3-generic/updates/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl4965.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[01:14] <DanaG> What unknown symbol?
[01:14] <krsnadasa> the list is huge
[01:15] <DanaG> Just the prefix... is it sometihng with 80211?
[01:15] <krsnadasa> you want me to paste the dmesg ?
[01:15] <DanaG> I've noticed that you can't have b43 and iwl3945 loaded at the same time.
[01:15] <DanaG> Or at least, it used to be so.
[01:15] <Jordan_U> I just get no scan results with no errors ( ath5k ), module loads fine, interface is there, but no scan results and can't connect to anything
[01:15] <krsnadasa> well i don't have a b43 card so i hope it an;t loaded
[01:15] <DanaG> Do you have any other wifi cards?
[01:16]  * DanaG switches to a broadcom nic.
[01:17] <krsnadasa> iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode firmware file req failed: Reason -2
[01:17] <krsnadasa> [   21.387685] iwl4965: Could not read microcode: -2
[01:17] <krsnadasa> DanaG: any idea ?
[01:17] <DanaG> Hmm, !find iwlwifi-4965-1
[01:17] <DanaG> !find iwlwifi-4965-1
[01:18] <krsnadasa> DanaG: is that for me ?
[01:18] <DanaG> Yeah.
[01:18] <DanaG> er
[01:19] <DanaG> yeah.
[01:19] <krsnadasa> and what am i supposed to do ?
[01:19] <DanaG> !find iwlwifi-3945
[01:19] <DanaG> odd.
[01:19] <DanaG> So, the firmware is missing from later packages.
[01:20] <krsnadasa> DanaG: huh ?
[01:20] <DanaG> Look in /lib/firmware/2.6.24- (anything)
[01:22] <DanaG> Wow, despite having a supposedly lower connection speed... this Broadcom card works far better for me.
[01:22] <DanaG> You'd think an Intel 3945 with antennas in a laptop panel would be stronger than this thing:     ... but nope.
[01:23] <DanaG> http://www.shopping.com/xPF-Zonet-WIRELESS-ADAPT-ZONET-11G-ZEW1501-R
[01:23] <DanaG> "              Other Features              Operating Systems                                                     Linux       •               Microsoft Windows 2000       •               Microsoft Windows 98       •               Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition       •               Microsoft Windows XP          "
[01:23] <krsnadasa> DanaG: /lib/firmware there is iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode
[01:24] <DanaG> Odd.
[01:24] <krsnadasa> DanaG: well before i had 4965.2 in there now just replaced with .1
[01:24] <krsnadasa> should i recompile the driver?
[01:26] <krsnadasa> DanaG: should i recompile the driver? considering that i just replaced the 4965.2 firmware with 4965.1 ?
[01:26] <DanaG> Hmm, try reinstalling the firmware.
[01:26] <DanaG> Perhaps your files are mixed up, if you did such.
[01:27] <krsnadasa> how do i reinstall the firmware isn't it just plop the new file in /lib/firmware?
[01:27] <DanaG> Yup.
[01:28] <krsnadasa> well i deleted the 4965.2 and mv'ed the 4965.1 in there /lib/firmware but still no luck :(
[01:29] <DanaG> 2 files I see there:
[01:29] <DanaG> iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode
[01:29] <DanaG>  iwlwifi-4965.ucode
[01:29] <DanaG> Ugh, PulseAudio deals very poorly with momentary interruptions of network connections.
[01:29] <krsnadasa> DanaG: ummi only got the first one
[01:29] <DanaG> It blacklists remote servers when it can't communicate with them... and it doesn't give them another chance..
[01:31] <krsnadasa> DanaG: so how do i install the ladder file that you specified ?
[01:32] <DanaG> s/ladder/latter/ ?
[01:32] <DanaG> hmm, try to find it in one of the subdirectories for older kernels.
[01:33] <krsnadasa> yea sorry, at wirelesslinux ?
[01:40] <krsnadasa> ummmmm DanaG, still no luck :(
[01:41] <DanaG> Dang.
[01:42] <krsnadasa> lol well it was worth a shot.
[01:42] <krsnadasa> i am recompiling i will give you the new error....... if there is a new error
[01:47] <krsnadasa> DanaG: YAY no more firmware error......... but now just [ 5414.631490] iwl4965: Unknown symbol iwl_rxon_add_station
[01:47] <krsnadasa> and 50 other Unknown symbols :(
[01:48] <daekdroom> lol
[01:49] <krsnadasa> you think thats funny ? come on i am hurt
[01:50] <daekdroom> It's not funny. The way it was told is.
[01:50] <krsnadasa> i am playing with you but does suck
[01:51] <daekdroom> I didn't get that, but whatever
[01:51] <krsnadasa> DanaG: any idea what i should do ?
[01:52]  * pheeror would recompile iwl4965 himself
[01:53] <pheeror> the driver you have wants another version of kernel or some library
[01:53] <pheeror> or some library may be mising at all
[01:54] <pheeror> if you are finding solution for a bug try it some timer later
[01:55] <pheeror> if you are not ...
[01:55] <krsnadasa> is there a way to figure out what it is missing ?
[01:56] <pheeror> maybe trying to find out what library contains iwl_rxon_add_station
[01:56] <pheeror> google fulltext can help
[01:56] <pheeror> ldd is also a nice tool
[01:56] <krsnadasa> thanks believe it or not you the one that helped out the most today lol
[01:56] <pheeror> but I don't know the kernel things
[01:57] <pheeror> i don't think so
[01:57] <pheeror> ;-)
[01:57] <pheeror> afk
[02:25] <marie> hello
[02:28] <marieetpuis> hi
[02:37] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Pong?
[02:37] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Also, what are you doing up at that time?
[02:39] <RAOF> Oh, right.  00.05, rather than 05.00.  That's not so bad :)
[02:52] <Hobbsee> RAOF: why is my X broken?  X log is at hobbsee.com/tmp
[02:53] <RAOF> In what way is it broken?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> goes blank after it starts up
[02:54] <RAOF> You end up with a white screen with a pointer?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> as in, after the splash screen
[02:54] <Hobbsee> nope, black
[02:54] <Hobbsee> i can get to vt1 and such, but that gives a blank screen too
[02:54] <Hobbsee> as in, it goes dark, then goes a bit lighter, so i can tell it's switched
[02:54] <Hobbsee> but there's still no image
[02:55] <RAOF> Hm.
[02:55] <RAOF> That's not a failure mode I'm familiar with.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> do i need a dri2 module?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> that was what i noticed in the logs, but couldn't find the package
[02:55] <RAOF> Not unless you'd like to rebuild everything from git.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> not really, no...
[02:56] <RAOF> OOooh.
[02:56] <RAOF> In what way is it broken?    Option         "GlxVisuals" "all"
[02:56] <RAOF> Argh, whoops.
[02:57] <RAOF> I don't suppose adding the GlxVisuals "all" option to your ServerFlags section does anything?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> i've no idea.  i'll test it out next boot
[03:01] <RAOF> That may well not be the problem, particularly in light of the VT not working, but nouveau's gallium3d only presents a black screen without that option :)
[03:02] <RAOF> An alternate way to see this would be to log into failsafe mode; that shouldn't load compiz.  Failure there indicates stronger X borkage :)
[03:04] <DanaG> Broken console?  Do you use vga= anything?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> no, i use standard options
[03:04] <DanaG> If so, that'd be why... vesafb has been replaced by uvesafb (google it).
[03:04] <DanaG> Aah.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> RAOF: that's a point.  i haven't tried that.
[03:04] <DanaG> I was getting black with vga=
[03:04] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i just upgraded it a couple of days ago post-Xbreakage, so only discovered it was still dead last night
[03:04] <DanaG> and I was getting screwed-up console (big text blobs) without.
[03:05] <RAOF> Since GDM comes up, I'd suspect it's a 3d issue, but that might be wrong; it might be an xrandr issue.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> depends how you define 'comes up'
[03:05] <Hobbsee> all i get after usplash is a black screen :)
[03:06] <RAOF> Sorry, I thought you were able to log in, then it died.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> no
[03:06] <RAOF> That's definitely not a compiz problem :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> usplash finishes, i get a black screen.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> i can switch to vt1, it goes dark (as in, like the machine is off) for a second or so, then goes back to a black screen.
[03:06] <DanaG> What is it that broke GLX for nvidia?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> same from vt1 --> vt7
[03:07] <DanaG> glxinfo just dies (backtrace).
[03:07] <RAOF> DanaG: Dunno.  WorksForMe
[03:09]  * RAOF is using Compiz for the first time in a month or two.
[03:10] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I don't know what's wrong; your log doesn't seem to indicate a problem.
[03:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, any idea when Nouveau will have support for ACPI suspend?
[03:17] <DanaG> Since my 3D is broken with nvidia binaries for the moment... it'd be no loss going to Nouveau and having... no 3D.
[03:17] <RAOF> When someone, probably Master Garrett, finishes the work required.
[03:18] <RAOF> He's got a prototype nv_bios kernel module that enables suspend (or, more accurately, _resume_) on nv.  This doesn't restore the 3D engine, though, so it doesn't work for nouveau.
[03:19] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f6cab6f73
[03:19] <RAOF> That's the output of glxinfo?  Interesting :)
[03:20] <DanaG> argh
[03:20] <DanaG> lost the error.
[03:20] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f31055654
[03:20] <RAOF> Ah, right.
[03:21] <RAOF> Well... works for me.  What driver version?
[03:21] <DanaG> dmesg | grep NVRM:
[03:22] <DanaG> [   14.227461] NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module  173.14.09  Wed Jun  4 23:43:17 PDT 2008
[03:22] <DanaG> handy, that /exec
[03:22] <DanaG> As long as I know how many lines it'll be, that is.  =þ
[03:22] <RAOF> Hm.  Why not 177?
[03:22] <DanaG> I can give 177 a try, as long as it's usable with
[03:22] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.26-3-generic #1 SMP Wed Jul 2 21:56:15 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:23] <DanaG> that kernel.
[03:23] <RAOF> It is, as long as you've got a Geforce 6 or above; they dropped geforce 5 support in the new driver.
[03:24] <DanaG> Yup.
[03:24] <DanaG> DO I still need to patch the driver?
[03:24] <RAOF> Oh, no.
[03:24] <DanaG> 177.13?
[03:24] <RAOF> You install from apt :)
[03:25] <RAOF> nvidia-glx-177
[03:25] <DanaG> Ooh!
[03:25] <DanaG> That's news to me.
[03:25] <DanaG> Lemme do a manual removal first, for safety.
[03:25] <RAOF> Ding!
[03:28] <Hobbsee> RAOF: right, so i wasn't misreading it.  good
[03:43] <DanaG> yay, that fixed it.
[03:44] <DanaG> What was the "Ding!" for?
[03:44] <DanaG> Anyway, now I have compiz again.  Yay!
[03:47] <RAOF> The ding was for manually removing the manually installed driver first.
[03:48] <Jordan_U> DanaG: Please tell me the problem you just solved was with t_f_p in radeon?
[03:49] <DanaG> Nope.  Mine was nvidia breakage.
[03:49] <Jordan_U> :(
[03:50] <DanaG> My next laptop likely WILL be ATI, I've decided.  I've had my fair share of issues with nvidia, in both Windows and Linux, so even if ATI sucks.... I won't be missing anything.  And I like to financially support OSS-friendly companies.
[03:51] <td123> DanaG: I like intel graphics on laptops, drivers never cause issues. only downside is that they are week, good for battery though
[03:53] <td123> DanaG: although intel/amd are supposed to come out with cpus that will be able to perform the same tasks as a gpu, thus elimnating the need for gpus, at least the weaker ones.. I would wait for those, they might benefit the battery life a lot, you should look into it
[03:54] <td123> DanaG: I think they are coming it towards the end of this year/beginning of next
[03:59] <Jordan_U> DanaG: Realize that you will be missing some features like redirected direct rendering until radeon starts using DRI2
[04:18] <DanaG> I don't have those features with nvidia, anyway.
[04:18] <DanaG> ANother random thing: Broadcom sucks for Windows, too... they don't release drivers!
[04:18] <RAOF> Nvidia does redirected direct rendering, and has done for ages.
[04:19] <DanaG> Oh.
[04:19] <DanaG> I never noticed.
[04:19] <RAOF> Right.  Compiz has Just Worked.
[04:19] <DanaG> Perhaps that's one of those things that you only notice when it's NOT working.  Aah.
[04:19] <RAOF> (Or had other glitches, but not the redirected direct rendering kinds).
[04:19] <RAOF> For example, running glxgears doesn't do crazy, crazy things under compiz on nivida :)
[04:19] <DanaG> Broadcom leaves drivers up to the whims of the OEMs.... so if you want features of newer drivers, you have to take risks with other brand drivers... and sometimes get hard lockups.
[04:20] <RAOF> The nvidia drivers have had more advanced features than available in stock X/mesa for some time; however, now X & mesa are catching up, and basically doing it better.
[04:32] <DanaG> Hmm, new cubemodel plugin for compiz.... doesn't do anything at all for me.
[04:40] <flaccid> kubuntu  8.10 will ship with kde4 and kde3 option to install from repos?
[04:41] <RAOF> Dunno about the latter.
[04:42] <RAOF> But it certainly ships with kde4 now
[04:42] <flaccid> oky thanks. and whic kde4 version should the production release include?
[04:43] <RAOF> Whichever is latest.
[04:44] <flaccid> when is the cut-off date for that?
[04:44] <RAOF> Sometime.  I'm not totally sure.
[04:45] <krsnadasa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26998/ any ideas anone ?
[04:45] <krsnadasa> anyone*
[04:47] <krsnadasa> ... i was trying to compile the kernel ?
[04:51] <krsnadasa> is anyone even alive here?
[04:51] <vishalrao> whatup dawg
[04:52] <flaccid> is there a document detailing features introduced in ibex?
[04:53] <vishalrao> hmmm ya a list like fedora's would be nice... i usually refer to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid
[04:53] <flaccid> if only ibex would make you real coffee on boot
[04:54] <flaccid> thanks vishalrao
[04:55] <vishalrao> np, also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Intrepid/Report/Summary
[04:55] <vishalrao> also http://www.youtube.com/ubuntudevelopers :)
[04:56] <vishalrao> i was hoping this would make it, it still might: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/GdmFaceBrowser :)
[04:57] <vishalrao> another link: http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/07/03/top-5-new-features-of-ubuntu-810-interpid-ibex/
[04:59] <Hobbsee> flaccid: not yet, i doubt
[04:59] <Hobbsee> those tend to be stuff that's proposed to happen
[05:02] <vishalrao> so, is there a planned feature list wiki similar to this for ubuntu? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/FeatureList
[05:02] <flaccid> coolio
[05:02] <flaccid> um does Kubuntu team have any docs like this?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> vishalrao: that would be the blueprints which you found above
[05:09] <Hobbsee> flaccid: if you look at that page, you'll note there are some kubuntu ones there
[05:10] <flaccid> Hobbsee: which one sorry?
[05:10] <vishalrao> Hobbsee: thanks
[05:10] <Hobbsee> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid
[05:13] <flaccid> hmm. i think there needs to be general goals set in terms of whats trying to be achieved with the new release from a high level
[05:21] <Hobbsee> why?
[05:22] <RAOF> In most cases, that's upstream's job.
[05:22] <RAOF> We don't actually do a lot of coding here :)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> exactly
[05:23] <flaccid> its basic project management for a start. in order to solve problems you also need to identify them
[05:23]  * Hobbsee notes that the paid staff have plenty of blueprints there.
[05:24] <flaccid> where are they?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ?
[05:24] <Jordan_U> When I try run "sudo modprobe ath5k mac80211 cfg80211" I get the error "FATAL: Error inserting ath5k (/lib/modules/2.6.26-3-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/ath5k.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)"
[05:24] <Jordan_U> And from dmesg: "[ 2656.978388] ath5k: Unknown parameter `mac80211'"
[05:25] <Hobbsee> i think there are more blueprints than are listed there, too.
[05:25] <DanaG> I wish people would pay more attention to the time-changing wallpaper idea.
[05:25] <flaccid> well its kind of like the release notes are made for kubuntu which explains the features etc. but you don't see such content like this until release
[05:26] <DanaG> Jordan_U: try this: lsmod | grep 80211
[05:26] <DanaG> See if it shows anything -- and if it does, try unloading those modules.
[05:26] <Hobbsee> flaccid: because they involve screenshots, and the work isn't done earlier?
[05:27] <flaccid> it would be nice if the community could read about the objectives of the upcoming kubuntu release before it is released. screenshots are not required
[05:27] <flaccid> eg. what are the objectives of kubuntu 8.10 ? i can't find anything on that..
[05:27] <Jordan_U> DanaG, It does, it lists the modules that I unloaded before trying to load them again with modprobe :) ( I am not sure that I have the correct modules though so please correct me if I don't )
[05:28] <Hobbsee> see the blueprints page
[05:28] <Hobbsee> or watch #kubuntu-devel
[05:28] <DanaG> The reason I ask: in some kernel versions I've used (don't remember which ones), I couldn't load both iwl3945 and b43 at the same time, because they had DIFFERENT versions of those modules, and those modules conflicted.
[05:29] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Do you know what I need to get my atheros card functioning?
[05:29] <flaccid> oky dok
[05:29] <DanaG> I'm not getting that issue this time, though.
[05:30] <DanaG> Hmm, you could try this: http://linuxwireless.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/
[05:30] <DanaG> Don't use "git checkout" -- it gets an incomplete tree that misses all the driver files.
[05:30] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Is that for me?
[05:30] <DanaG> Yeah.
[05:32] <flaccid> im just thinking that the focus with kubuntu should now be useability with kde4 etc. so i'll do all the research and then maybe compile a list then submit back probably as single bugs
[05:39] <RAOF> flaccid: That would be useful, but you'd likely want to file them upstream, too, since I don't think Kubuntu does a lot of patching.
[05:44] <flaccid> RAOF: yeah. i'll feedback to both kde and kubuntu. i mean we have some great potential here but quality and useability, stability etc. is what should be the focus now imho
[05:46] <DanaG> argh, pulseaudio just started devouring my CPU.
[05:48] <DanaG> ARgh, PulseAudio sucks at dealing with network interruptions.
[05:49] <DanaG> If you get a dropout once... you have to kill and restart the server on the endpoint in order for the server you're on to be able to use it.
[05:51] <RAOF> Yeah, that's kinda annoying (although killing the local server also works).
[05:51] <RAOF> File a bug? :)
[05:53] <DanaG> It's essentially unusable over wifi, also.
[05:53] <DanaG> Even if one host is on wired and the other is on wireless.
[05:53] <DanaG> Odd: I have surround51:1 listed TWICE in my device chooser.
[05:54] <jordan_> Well this is nice, now with the new drivers unloading the module causes my system to hard lock
[05:54] <DanaG> And the CPU-rapeage on pause sucks too.
[05:54] <DanaG> !info nvidia-177-modaliases
[05:54] <DanaG> what's that all about?
[05:55] <RAOF> That'd be for jockey, I think.
[05:56] <RAOF> IE: you can install the modaliases, and then jockey knows what cards are supported by which drivers.
[05:57] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/221038
[05:57] <DanaG> Will all the modaliases be installed by default?
[05:57] <DanaG> Otherwise, if you have to explicitly install them... why bother?
[05:57] <RAOF> Dunno.  Probably.
[05:58] <RAOF> Just to annoy you, I don't think I can reproduce that bug :)
[05:58] <DanaG> Do you have default-sample-channels=6?
[05:58] <RAOF> No, I guess not.
[06:02] <DanaG> That may be the key.
[06:02] <DanaG> Mmm, I just love how I can only view ONE flash video per Firefox session... and all others after that just crash.
[06:02] <DanaG> ALL others.
[06:03] <DanaG> At least nspluginwrapper prevents it from taking Firefox itself down.
[06:03] <DanaG> s/video/video with sound/
[06:19] <krsnadasa> were do i get the source for the 2.6.26-3 generic kernel  ?
[06:20] <cjb> krsnadasa: apt-get source linux-image-2.6.26-3<tab>
[06:21] <krsnadasa> cjb: cool and that will install it in right place (/usr/src) so other programs can compile off of it ?
[06:21] <cjb> yes, assuming it's available
[06:21] <krsnadasa> cjb: thanks ;)
[06:21] <cjb> (it might be in /usr/src/linux-... and you need to symlink that to /usr/src/linux manually.)
[06:24] <RAOF> cjb, krsnadasa: Actually, that won't put it to /usr/src; You'd be after the linux-source package.
[06:24] <RAOF> But you probably only need the headers; they're in linux-headers.
[06:25] <jordan_> cjb, That is not how apt-get source works, apt-get source will download to the current directory
[06:25] <cjb> D'oh.  Sorry.
[06:25] <krsnadasa> RAOF: no i know for a certain i need the source because i am building a driver that requires the kernel sorce
[06:25] <RAOF> Then linux-source is the package you're after.
[06:25] <krsnadasa> so how do i get the source for it ?
[06:25] <cjb> krsnadasa: (the way linux works, your driver might say it requires the kernel source, but it probably only requires the headers.  they're a subset of the source.)
[06:25] <krsnadasa> apt-get install linux-source ?
[06:26] <RAOF> But many drivers don't require the actual source, just the headers.  You're _sure_ it need the whole source tree?
[06:26] <RAOF> krsnadasa: Indeed.  aptitude install linux-source
[06:26] <cjb> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.23
[06:26] <krsnadasa> cjb: i tested already and know that it needs source
[06:26] <cjb> krsnadasa: seems unlikely, but okay.
[06:26] <cjb> the headers *are* source.  just a small part of the source.
[06:26] <krsnadasa> RAOF: and that will install into /usr/src and set up all the other good stuff ?
[06:26] <RAOF> krsnadasa: Yes.
[06:26] <krsnadasa> cjb: do oyu know anything about the headers ?
[06:27] <krsnadasa> cjb: does it have the mac80211 source ? NO! so as i said it needs the source you already misled me once no need to do it again ;)
[06:27] <krsnadasa> RAOF: thanks ;)
[06:27] <Maiku> I can't seem to find the gstreamer plugin ffenc_h263, it was a part of the gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg package, but it doesn't appear to be there
[06:27] <krsnadasa> cjb: but thanks for your help anyway :D
[06:28] <cjb> krsnadasa: I would be surprised if it didn't have enough headers (.h files) to enable you to compile a further mac80211 driver, but you're welcome to just get the whole thing, of course.
[06:28] <jordan_> Maiku, Totem doesn't find it automagically ?
[06:29] <Maiku> I don't actually have any video offhand that needs it, I'm trying to fix some farsight stuff
[06:29] <RAOF> Maiku: How about gst-plugins-farsight, then.  I don't think farsight uses ffenc_h263, does it?
[06:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, there's more than just linux-headers.
[06:30] <DanaG> there's linux-headers-lum and linux-headers-lbm
[06:30] <DanaG> ... why?  Beats me.
[06:30] <Maiku> RAOF: it's one of the options it can use I believe
[06:31] <RAOF> Hm.  Anyway, gstreamer hates ffmpeg :).
[06:31] <RAOF> (_Everyone_ hates ffmpeg)
[06:31] <Maiku> lol
[06:32] <RAOF> Why release a library?  That's ten different kinds of effort.  Everyone should just include our source in their source.  And update their stuff every now and then as we break API.
[06:34] <krsnadasa> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27006/ any ideas?
[06:34] <Maiku> oh, in addition to that, who can I bug to get libgstfarsight in the intrepid repos.. (even though the current one is going to be outdated as far as what I'm doing soon, with luck anyway)
[06:34] <RAOF> Maiku: libgstfarsight _isn't_ in the Ubuntu repos?
[06:35] <Maiku> not last time I looked
[06:35] <RAOF> Hm.
[06:35] <RAOF> What's it for?
[06:35] <Maiku> libfarsight is though, libgstfarsight is for farsight2
[06:35] <Maiku> libfarsight is for farsight1
[06:35] <RAOF> Ahh.  Shiny new crack!
[06:36] <Maiku> lol, it provides much easier video stuff
[06:36] <RAOF> Yeah, the farsight stuff looks cool.  How released is farsight2, though?
[06:37] <RAOF> krsnadasa: Ask upstream to not be stupid is how you'll fix that.  Or building without -Werror, I think.
[06:37] <Maiku> RAOF: how do you mean released?
[06:37] <RAOF> Maiku: Can I download farsight2 tarballs?
[06:37] <Maiku> yup
[06:37] <krsnadasa> RAOF: what now ?
[06:38] <Maiku> there's even a package in debian experimental
[06:38] <RAOF> Maiku: Then the easiest thing to do is ask for a sync from Debian Experimental.
[06:39] <RAOF> Things you'll definitely want to note in such a bug: check that it builds in Intrepid, and most importantly: why is it in experimental, and why we don't need to care.
[06:41] <Maiku> hmm I may wait to request it until the next version comes out then
[06:42] <RAOF> When's that?
[06:44] <Maiku> that is an excellent question
[06:44] <Maiku> "soon"
[06:44] <RAOF> Intrepid feature freeze is a month and a half away, give or take.
[06:45] <Maiku> I should hope it's before that
[06:45] <RAOF> Right.
[06:46] <Maiku> hopefully before jazzy :P
[06:47] <krsnadasa> RAOF: sorry i didn't get what you said last time
[06:58] <krsnadasa> RAOF: what was your solution to that compiling problem i had?
[07:05] <zenkk> The Live "CD" for Alpha 2 is ~760 mb.  Do they plan on cutting that down so it can fit on actual CD by Alpha 3?
[07:06] <Maiku> it helps to search the before submitting a bug, the sync request already exists
[07:11] <Maiku> except that it's been a month since there's been any activity on it..
[07:16] <CyberCod> oops
[07:16] <CyberCod> finding my way around the keyboard shortcuts in Finch
[07:16] <CyberCod> in case you weren't aware, Alt+Q quits
[07:16] <CyberCod> lol
[07:16] <Maiku> lol
[09:20] <steveny> hello...I have a 8.10 question.... http://pastebin.com/m3ae96f8c  any help would be appreciated
[09:24] <steveny> bueller? bueller?
[09:32] <LSD|Ninja> svu: it's his day off
[09:32] <LSD|Ninja> bah
[11:25] <fromport>  #include hallo.h Anyone here running virt-manager & kvm on intrepid ? i seem to have a problem (can't choose hypervisor) from the virt-manager userinterface
[11:25] <fromport> virt-install also barfs (for me)
[11:26] <fromport> i cant find any (usefull) information by googling
[13:32] <scobby> hi
[13:33] <scobby> after updating to ibex kernel i cant use my webcam anyone can help me?? with hardy kernel it worked
[13:34] <scobby> think the zc0301 module is broken
[13:34] <scobby> Jul 13 14:22:41 laptop kernel: [ 2775.622712] zc0301: V4L2 driver for ZC0301[P] Image Processor and Control Chip v1:1.10
[13:34] <scobby> Jul 13 14:22:41 laptop kernel: [ 2775.622981] usb 4-1.2: ZC0301[P] Image Processor and Control Chip detected (vid/pid 0x0AC8:0x303B)
[13:34] <scobby> Jul 13 14:22:41 laptop kernel: [ 2775.677118] usb 4-1.2: No supported image sensor detected
[13:35] <scobby> thats the message from syslog
[13:47] <Hobbsee> RAOF: well, we're making progress.  i now see this white screen sometimes.
[14:53] <coz_> hey guys  does anyone know if intrepid will have autodetect for wacom tablets yet/
[17:21] <nhaines> Hello, everyone!  I upgraded from Ubuntu 8.04.1 to Intrepid last night using the upgrade-manager tool.  After I rebooted, GDM won't successfully start, and after an attempt I get the message "The greeter application appears to be crashing.  Attempting to start a new one."  Sometimes when I switch between virtual consoles the LCD screen faides to white (not being refreshed) and the computer becomes unresponsive.  The computer has an 
[17:21] <nhaines> I'd like to help troubleshoot this but I'm not sure where to start.  Any suggestions?
[17:28] <nhaines> Hmm, this is embarassing, but a recovery mode/fix X server command fixed the problem.  So now the fun will be to diff the two and see if there's anything worthy of a bug report.
[17:38] <steveny> is anyone around and can spare a minute?
[17:38] <cjb> steveny: Please just ask your question.
[17:39] <steveny> sdd1 is lost and can never be found again :( http://pastebin.com/m4681ca88
[17:40] <steveny> the upgrade made it dissappear...it was plug and play...but now it is plug and charge:(
[17:41] <nhaines> What device do you expect to show up as /dev/sdd?
[17:41] <steveny> an mp3 player
[17:41] <steveny> not in media...not in mnt
[17:46] <steveny> i've tried rebooting...plugging in every stage of the computer....I don't understand...it worked perfectly...plug and play ebfore :(
[17:47] <nhaines> steveny: have you tried using the mount command?
[17:48] <steveny> ount: can't find /dev/sdd in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[17:48] <steveny> mount: can't find /dev/sdd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[17:48] <nhaines> Please give the command you used.
[17:49] <steveny> sudo mount /dev/sdd1
[17:49] <nhaines> Well we know that doesn't work.  :)
[17:50] <nhaines> I'd try 'sudo mount -t bbt /dev/sdd1 /mnt' and see if that works.
[17:50] <steveny> mount: unknown filesystem type 'bbt'
[17:51] <nhaines> steveny: Is this a Sony Walkman NWZ-S618F or similar?
[17:52] <steveny> yes...similar
[17:52] <steveny> I just got it to pop up I think
[17:53] <steveny> its in mnt now, I guess I could work with it that way...
[17:53] <steveny> before it was just plug and whala! it was on the desktop
[17:54] <steveny> nwz-a816
[17:56] <nhaines> steveny: this seems to be an outstanding bug for some people in the Ubuntu hardy kernel.
[17:56] <nhaines> Some people reported that using pmount to manually mount the MP3 player worked for them.
[17:56] <steveny> ok...I can work with it this way, ty I will mess around with it and see what happens...maybe I might get lucky .ty for your time
[17:57] <nhaines> Good luck, and I hope it works for you!
[18:04] <soc> hi
[18:05] <soc> did someone get his/her iwl3945 working?
[18:05] <soc> i can't activate the wlan anymore with FN + F2
[18:05] <soc> with 2.6.24 it works ...
[18:14] <yuriy> nvidia-glx-new still not installable? :(
[18:15] <daekdroom> I thought they changed the names of nvidia-glx packages.
[19:19] <DanaG> Ugh, I am so sick of how buggy iwl3945 is.
[19:19] <DanaG> This time I booted up... and it acted like the card wasn't even present!
[19:19] <DanaG> I had to manually unload and reload the driver.
[19:19] <DanaG> Intel wireless is better for Linux?  I don't think so.
[19:20] <DanaG> At least, not in my experience.
[19:20] <DanaG> s/for/in/
[19:21] <Unksi> DanaG: ibex is in alpha, dont expect it to be stable in any regard
[19:21] <DanaG> It's ALWAYS been like that for me, though.
[19:21] <Unksi> if you want to use stable software, use hardy
[19:21] <DanaG> Ever since the first day (back in Feisty or Gutsy) of switching from ipw3945....
[19:21] <DanaG> iwl3945 sucked then, too,
[19:21] <DanaG> and it STILL sucks in Hardy, and all the way into Intrepid.
[19:22] <DanaG> It's not a distro-version issue; it's an "iwl3945 sucks" issue.
[19:22] <Unksi> iwl works well here :P
[19:22] <Unksi> its probably related to your specific model then
[19:22] <DanaG> Try using your rfkill switch for a while.... and watch as the device disables itself.
[19:22] <DanaG> It'll actually entirely disable the interrupt.
[19:23] <s0u][ight> how can i upgrade to this version of ubuntu?
[19:24] <Skiessi> !info netbeans
[19:24] <Skiessi> !info netbeans-ide
[19:25] <s0u][ight> !upgrade
[19:26] <Skiessi> these two packages conflict :|
[19:26] <Skiessi> the 'netbeans' one is better?
[19:27] <Skiessi> it's in universe
[19:28] <s0u][ight> how can i upgrade the link is about upgrading to 8.04 :(
[19:31] <s0u][ight> !help
[19:32] <s0u][ight> !upgrade
[19:32] <s0u][ight> !intrepid
[19:33] <Bernardo> DanaG: try using channel 12/13 with iwl3945. it is even worst since it switched to the mac80211 architecture
[19:33] <nhaines> s0u][ight: keeping in mind that Ubuntu will break between now and October, you can press Alt-F2 and run 'update-manager -d' without quotes to upgrade to the current development version of Ubuntu.
[19:34] <s0u][ight> what do you mean with break?
[19:34] <DanaG> Development versions are prone to random breakage.
[19:34] <nhaines> I mean the software will have errors and stop working.
[19:34] <DanaG> It can be as simple as broken OpenGL or crashing Nautilus... to things like broken X.... or even unbootable kernels sometimes.
[19:34] <nhaines> I upgraded last night and had broken X.  No graphical interface at all.
[19:35] <s0u][ight> how did you fix it?
[19:35] <nhaines> I fixed it by using the recovery console, actually.  I was expecting to have to use dpkg-configure but luckily it was simple enough.
[19:35] <nhaines> The important thing is that Intrepid right now is just 8.04 with slightly newer versions of software and a lot of bugs.
[19:36] <s0u][ight> i need the new kernel :( for my wireless card to inject reasonable
[19:36] <s0u][ight> iwl4965 is the driver :D
[19:36] <s0u][ight> just someone said that the chance to mac80211 was not a good thing but i know it is :
[19:36] <s0u][ight> :D
[19:37] <nhaines> It'd be safer to wait until September when the beta comes out.
[19:37] <s0u][ight> waiting is hard
[19:38] <s0u][ight> but isn't it possible to have both kernels?
[19:38] <s0u][ight> like having 2.6.24 and 2.6.26?
[19:39] <nhaines> Yes, but you can only run one at a time and all modules will only load when they are compiled for the kernel you are running.
[19:39] <s0u][ight> dammit :(
[19:43] <DanaG> Ironically, I have fewer issues with a cardbus Broadcom card I have, than I have with my onboard Intel.
[19:43] <DanaG> However, maybe that's just because the cardbus card does not have an rfkill switch.
[19:45] <s0u][ight> the broadcom drivers become better and better
[19:46] <s0u][ight> or there is allways ndiswrapper
[19:48] <DanaG> Broadcom's Windows drivers suck, actually.
[19:48] <DanaG> They don't release any.
[19:48] <DanaG> They leave it up to the OEMs.
[19:48] <s0u][ight> yeah there is this one wireless card i wasn't able to find a windows driver :|
[19:48] <DanaG> So, have an off-brand card with some recent chip... and an old driver.
[19:49] <s0u][ight> i have intel pro wireless
[19:49] <s0u][ight> 4965 abgn
[20:26] <ryancr> anyone else having trouble using ibex with virtualbox?
[20:26] <ryancr> I try to instal and just get Kernel panic
[20:27] <nhaines> ryancr: yes, this issue is in the release notes.
[20:27] <ryancr> nhaines: sorry, guess I should have checked there first, thank you
[20:27] <nhaines> It's bug #246067
[20:28] <nhaines> ryancr: that's quite all right, hopefully it's fixed soon but they definitely know about it.  :)
[20:56] <linux1_> hiya ppl is anyone else having problems with dput
[21:36] <cowbud> so it seems twinview now stretches the whole screen across my two monitors instead of giving me two partitioned desktops is there anyway to change that back?
[21:38] <DigitalNinja> cowbud: You got twinview to work? I was able to get "cloning" working but one of my screens was stuck at 640x480.
[21:38] <cowbud> DigitalNinja: yeah, you are using the nvidia driver right?
[21:39] <cowbud> I am just making sure :)
[21:39] <DigitalNinja> Yup
[21:39] <cowbud> did you try using nvidia-settings ?
[21:39] <DigitalNinja> This was on hardy
[21:39] <cowbud> that is how I got it to work you can enable it on the fly
[21:39] <DigitalNinja> I'll try it on Intrepid as soon as I download it
[21:40] <DigitalNinja> I used nvidia-settings
[21:40] <cowbud> I am running intrepid now and I have had twinview forever just after a driver update it seems the top panel now stretches across the whole screen instead of staying in one monitor..
[21:40] <DigitalNinja> I've got a nvidia 7600 GS
[21:40] <cowbud> I read a bit about fixing that but none of the suggestions worked
[21:40] <DigitalNinja> I think twinview is broken
[21:41] <DigitalNinja> My vid card has dvi and vga
[21:41] <DigitalNinja> dvi side is fine but the vga side is stuck at 640x480
[21:57] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Well, that's progress.  At least you're now hitting a broken mesa :)
[22:24] <teamcobra> welp, I installed intrepid on my (gasp!) server ;p
[22:24]  * teamcobra lives quite dangerously ;p ;p
[22:25] <teamcobra> got the mesa white screen locally, but I don't care too much, it's going to run headless ;p and nx works fine.... btw, the new brown theme looks pretty smooth ;)
[22:26] <teamcobra> if my other laptop wasn't @ hp right now, I'd put intrepid on that too, it's that smooth ;)
[22:34] <papabean> If packages seem out-of-date from stable, released versions (like git and seamonkey) does Ubuntu take the lead in packaging those or wait until Debian does?
[22:34] <papabean> Or is packaging the newer versions something someone like me could undertake?
[22:37] <teamcobra> papabean, I believe the ball is in your court :D
[22:37] <papabean> Ok.  So, read the packaging guides, etc and try and update packages meself?
[22:39] <pheeror> if you do package for the actual stable version of eclipse you would be praised by crowds
[22:39] <pheeror> (-:
[22:39] <papabean> Isn't eclipse in multiple packages?
[22:39] <teamcobra> papa: pretty much, you may even want to make a ppa in launchpad
[22:40] <teamcobra> that way you can have it autobuild for you, etc
[22:40] <pheeror> but it's pretty old
[22:40] <teamcobra> (so it's easier for you to personally manage, until your packages get merged
[22:40] <pheeror> like one or two year behind the schedule ;-)
[22:40] <papabean> Oh, wow.
[22:41] <papabean> teamcobra: ok.  Let me take some time to read the packaging guides and I'll see what I can contribute.
[22:41] <teamcobra> papa: thanks for helping out !:D :D
[22:41] <pheeror> if you do a buildservice spec file you can have it automatically build for all major linux distribution at once btw
[22:42] <papabean> That's slick.
[22:42] <teamcobra> very slick :D
[22:42] <teamcobra> hell, I might even have to make some php scripts for making these spec files and auto-building/packaging for all of the supported distros
[22:43] <teamcobra> imagine if anyone could log in, build their fave app, and get links to all of the packages for each distro ;)
[22:44] <papabean> Is there a way to get an app to run at startup WITHOUT root privileges?  Something like /etc/rc.local?
[22:45] <pheeror> sudo
[22:45] <Unksi> papabean: as normal user?
[22:45] <papabean> Yes.
[22:45] <Unksi> use your crontab and set @reboot for the time
[22:46] <papabean> Thank you.
[22:46] <papabean> That'll do it.
[22:46] <Unksi> youre welcome :)
[22:47] <teamcobra> hrm, under the new kvm/virtmanager, it's impossible to use kvm for a i686 guest on an x86_64 host w/ svm (amd virt extensions)
[22:47] <teamcobra> (will check if it's just like lenny as well, where under kvm you can't assign more than 1 virtual cpu on a machine w/ 4 physical cores)
[22:48] <teamcobra> yep, only 1 vcpu allowed in kvm mode :/
[22:53] <teamcobra> sup sup Jordan_U :D
[22:57] <Jordan_U> teamcobra, Not much
[22:57] <papabean> Unksi: Thank you again.  That worked wonderfully.
[22:57] <Unksi> great :) youre welcome
[23:21] <teamcobra> is there a way to shoehorn ubuntu-vm-builder into say, debian lenny?
[23:37] <Skiessi> does anyone know when will nvidia-glx drivers become installable again?
[23:39] <DanaG> !info nvidia-glx-177
[23:39] <DanaG> there's also 173 and another earlier one.
[23:45] <RAOF> Although it seems they broke monitor reporting with twinview in 177 at least :(
[23:45] <Skiessi> okay thanks
[23:48] <Skiessi> last time I checked with synaptic they weren't there
[23:48] <RAOF> They are now, certainly.
[23:48] <RAOF> Unless your mirror is quite out of date.
[23:49] <Skiessi> I see