=== JontheEchidna is now known as jtechidna === jtechidna is now known as echidnaman === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [01:14] JontheEchidna: plasmoid-wifi reviewed [01:28] vorian: plasmoid-wifi reuploaded [01:29] thanks JontheEchidna :) [01:29] yw [01:30] cdbs [01:30] JontheEchidna: i want you to write that 100 time [01:30] <.< [01:31] plasmoid-am4rok? [01:31] and previewer [01:32] Oh, I was told by another motu that it was better just to license the package under the "GPL" so that it wouldn't have to be re-done when another version came around [01:34] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=toggle-compositing [01:39] JontheEchidna: nice work on plasmoid-weather [01:40] Thanks [01:41] JontheEchidna: there is a readable source for a watch file with plasmoid-wifi [01:41] what's a watch file? [01:42] :O [01:42] >.> [01:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/DebianWatch [01:44] JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27185/ [01:45] handy! [01:45] quite [01:46] Ok, I reuploaded plasmoid-am4rok [01:46] oh, hasn't hit revu yet [01:46] nvm [01:46] still needs the copying file from upstream [01:47] http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/stats.html [01:47] ah, that one too? damn [01:47] aye [01:58] vorian: Would something like this be good: [01:58] Hello, [01:58] I am packaging the plasma-am4rok plasmoid for Kubuntu so that it can be installed in the next release, Kubuntu 8.10 codename Intrepid Ibex. To package this (K)Ubuntu and Debian require the upstream project to include a copy of the GPL that the software is licensed under. (The GPL-2 in this case.) This is usually in the form of a file in the root of the source tree simply called "COPYING". [01:58] I am attaching a copy of the COPYING file for your convenience. [01:58] Thank you, and we look forward to seeing plasma-am4rok in the next Kubuntu release. (Love the plasmoid, btw. It's very handy ;)) [01:58] oops [01:58] meant that to be a pastebin link [01:59] sounds great :) [01:59] good, cuz I already sent it. :P [01:59] haha [02:00] are those the only plasmoids not in kubuntu already? [02:00] I think the only plasmoids we have are the ones included in kdebase and kdeplasmoids [02:00] which was renamed to kdeplasma-addons [02:00] wow, there's a blue million on kde-look [02:01] most of the cool ones aren't 4.1 api'd yet. (emailnotify, toggle-compositing, coremoid) [02:01] i like previewer, that's gonna come in handy [02:02] ok, I just need to re-up plasmoid-wifi with the watch file [02:02] excellent :) [02:03] oh, does quicklaunch work? [02:03] * vorian checks [02:04] pretty much anything after the euro 2008 league table update-wise shouldn't work afaik [02:04] meh [02:05] vorian: What's a blue million? [02:05] just some hick slang [02:06] "fscking big amount" of plasmids [02:06] for a lot [02:06] or that ^.^ [02:09] Has the plasmoids API been locked down yet? [02:10] DaskreeCh: Pretty much [02:10] I think any more changes will be small changes/new API functions [02:11] Might want to ask #plasma on that to be sure though [02:11] Once the plasmoids get uploaded to Intrepid can we backport them to the kde4-members ppa? [02:12] Will the Notify plasmoid ship? [02:12] Everyone keeps telling me to use that one :-) [02:13] I think it's still in playground... :( [02:13] So is the cia.vc applet :( [02:13] That was the one I really wanted to see for 4.1 [02:15] vorian: plasmoid-wifi is reuploaded [02:15] danke [02:16] * vorian is secretly building system-status [02:16] Will they be allowed to move for a 4.1.x update? [02:17] kil8n.thatlanguagewhichdankeisin(you're welcome) [02:17] ha! [02:17] de, I'm guessing? [02:17] from what i've gathered [02:18] danke is nl isn't it? [02:18] ja [02:19] thankstr = kil8n.nl("you're welcome") <- proper python [02:19] self.QLabel.setText(thankstr) [02:30] haha [02:34] oooh, shiny [02:40] * JontheEchidna packages quick access [02:43] oh cool, tar.gz and correct directory naming conventions [02:46] vorian: Are we going with a plasmoid- prefix or a -plasmoid suffix? [02:46] I used a prefix [02:46] for system-whatchamacallit [02:46] plasmoid-system-whatchamacallit [02:47] oh, because the bug description on the dupe checker had -plasmoid at the end [02:47] then, someone can just apt-get install plasmoid-* [02:47] hmm [02:47] Are we going to have virtual packages that group them ? [02:48] +1, we should [02:48] kubuntu-plasma-extras [02:48] or something of the like [02:48] we should bring this up at the next meeting [02:48] * JontheEchidna has already marked plasma discussion on the agenda [02:49] Are we going to go beyond the kdebase plasmoids for a base install of kubuntu? [02:49] 'cuz it would be nice if we could offer a few extra ones [02:50] maybe the best from kdeplasmoids and the best from kubuntu-plasma-extras or whatever [02:50] heh, I guess we should discuss that at the meeting too [02:51] The default Plasmoids? [02:52] yeah, default ones that would come with a base Kubuntu install [03:01] Maybe at least we could put a tip in the release announcement recommending that people install kdeplasmoids and the kubuntu-extra-plasma module [03:02] * DaskreeCh chuckles [03:02] you mean install a plasmoid-not-found :) [03:03] in the KubuntuIntrepidDefaults it has "In System Settings, move the Advanced items to the bottom of the main page, and remove the tabs. Use smaller text and enable word wrap. " <-- what is the benefit/point of this? [03:04] :o shiny! [03:04] Word wrap is awesome what are you talking about? [03:04] omg <3 quickaccess [03:05] i actually talking about the removal of the advanced tab part [03:05] JontheEchidna: it's nice eh? [03:06] shiny! plus animate-y! [03:06] is that pirate speak! [03:06] just that in the blue print it was not to modify something kde unless it has a benefit. i don't see what benefit removing advanced tab could do [03:07] what's that command that finds missing depends? [03:09] the apt-command? [03:09] apt-get build-dep [03:09] oh damn, that would only work for existing packages [03:10] * JontheEchidna mutters [03:10] there's also get-build-deps in ubuntu-dev-tools [03:11] hmm, that seems to only help if you know all the build-deps [03:12] flaccid: That's actually on the books to be done? [03:13] apt-file to the rescue! [03:13] JontheEchidna: what are you looking at? [03:13] vorian: need to package quickaccess, needs some extra build-deps [03:13] ic [03:13] konq_operations.h <- apt-file should fine the package that that's in [03:14] DaskreeCh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidDefaults [03:16] will have to do tomorrow though, bbl [03:16] flaccid: imho it should have never been there in the first place... but usability takes precedence over me :) [03:17] flaccid: A folderview for desktop by default :) [03:17] Jucato: hehe yeah. the fact is that advanced gives context and only more and more things are going to be added to system settings, so yeah you are right its a useability thing [03:17] where do these decisions come from? [03:17] Meetings i would suspect [03:18] I think that I don't really care about the basic Vs advanced stuff [03:18] I just want search fixed [03:18] i think its important to specify reasons in blue prints especially when you say "Keep close to KDE 4, only change when a definite benefit." [03:18] When I search show me hits from both tabs [03:18] ah dang [03:19] DaskreeCh: without showing how many hits in which tab right? (KDE 4.1 I presume) [03:21] flaccid: I'm sure it's TBH still. be present in the next meeting and raise it up or put it in the agenda [03:21] er.. [03:21] TBD [03:21] * DaskreeCh shrugs. I've offered lots of suggestions for System settings [03:21] * Jucato gets his acronyms kmixed up [03:21] DaskreeCh: sure.. but suggestions are nothing if no one's there to do the dirty work :) [03:21] tbh? [03:22] Jucato: well not really if suggestions get a good idea or thumbs up then that's better than I dunno putting tabs on a movie player or soemthing [03:22] flaccid: TBD [03:22] DaskreeCh: sarcasm :) [03:22] Jucato: :) [03:23] tbd? [03:23] Yeah but most of my suggestions instantly start two camps [03:23] flaccid: To Be Discussed [03:23] The Search thing I haven't found anyone to speak against you [03:23] DaskreeCh: any suggestion always starts 2 camps: the "yes" and the "no" [03:23] I mean it [03:23] s/you/it/ [03:26] nw [03:38] NCommander: see topic (todo) [03:38] :) [03:38] wow [03:38] mind readers [03:38] O_o; [03:38] ;) [03:38] haha [03:39] hiya imbrandon [03:39] heya vorian , hows it goin [03:39] good good [03:40] trying to justify setting the thermostat at 70 [03:40] heh [03:42] vorian, your teams package doesn't seem so hot :-/ [03:42] I'd be glad to work on syncing/merging/FTBFS's [03:44] whoa! hello imbrandon! :) [03:44] heya Jucato [03:44] NCommander: great :) [03:44] imbrandon: how's it going? haven't seen you in quite a while (again) :) [03:45] vorian, point me to your package lists ;-) [03:45] i'm arround and such, i just grow tired of IRC at times [03:45] who doesn't? :) [03:45] um.. maybe those who go to IRC to find dates :) [03:45] lol [03:45] they are with the list you've already been working with :) [03:45] NCommander, baby steps :) [03:45] aka the general FTBFS list? [03:46] yes, if you like fixing the FTBFS (which is awesome) [03:46] I love fixing FTBFS [03:46] <-- *m68k Debian porter* [03:46] I'm trying to figure out why kdepim FTBFS [03:47] ahh the m68k, patients too , lol [03:47] imbrandon, not really. I overclocked the hardware, dropped ccache and distcc under the hood [03:47] ahh [03:47] ^_^ [03:49] Is anyone actively working on the kdepim FTBFS [03:50] likely not, esp if its ubuntu specific [03:50] not debian also [03:50] Well, assuming its not a buildd specific issue [03:51] It looks like the rules file is buggered up [03:52] vorian, if you can point me to someone who has sparc/ia64 hardware and is willing to give a non-MOTU SSH access, I can also work on the other kde failures on those architectures [03:53] NCommander, about sparc you might speak with sirtart , we have a sparc box in the ubuntuwire network but i'm not sure about non-motu access , are you a dd? [03:53] imbrandon, working on becoming on [03:53] My application stuck in limbo [03:54] ahh well chances are slim as we use LP to auth but you can ask [03:54] nah, its alright [03:54] QEMU has sparc support [03:55] ;) [03:55] It's probably painful, but I can probably use its user-emulation to run a sparc chroot [03:56] try scratchbox [03:56] its nice for things like that [03:56] it uses qemu to compile/run cross env's [03:56] http://www.scratchbox.org/ [03:57] Doesn't support sparc [03:57] mostly ARM cenetered but will work for anything gcc supports [03:58] i use it for mipsel and ppc [03:58] I know there is a way to hook qemu right into the linux kernel [03:58] SO sparc binaries can just be run [03:59] hence I can just debootstrap the sparc port [03:59] yea, binfmt, thats what scratchbox does, it just takes alot of the config care of for you [03:59] Oh [03:59] Awesome [04:00] DOes it handle the creation of the sparc toolchain [04:00] Or do I need to build that my self [04:01] it has some of it strapped i tihnk but then you likely need to rebuild sdome of it [04:01] i did for ppc [04:02] it seems their APT repo is broken [04:03] yeah, KDE and sparc don't have any love ATM [04:04] Didn't Sparc GIVE KDE a server [04:05] cause of love and to get some love? :) [04:05] rofl [04:05] SPeaking of scratchbox [04:05] It doesn't appear to support AMD64 as a host ;.; [04:06] where is the meeting schedule? [04:06] NCommander, huh ? [04:06] quote "SB2 is totally distribution neutral. I develop it currently on Fedora 8 using Debian/sid as a build tool distribution. It's known to work at least on Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo and Fedora. Both x86 and amd64 architectures are supported. PPC host support is possible, but not planned. Mac OS X is a potential platform as well, if you're interested in hacking on that, please contact lle at rahina dot org." [04:07] flaccid: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [04:07] So not the current release which is still 1.x [04:07] that system settings advanced thing is in the Todo [04:07] thanks vorian. and congrats on motu [04:07] NCommander, 1.x is dead, been so for ages, use 2.x [04:07] thanks :) [04:07] np! [04:08] ah [04:08] NCommander, kinda funny, wanna use new hardware ( amd64 ) with old software ( 1.x ) heh [04:08] well, right now, I'm building kdepim [04:09] next meeting seems to have already passed [04:09] I think I see a quick fix for getting it to build, but its probably not the right one, then I'll attack it working on lintian issues [04:19] yo yo [04:20] yo yo [04:20] * imbrandon hides [04:20] I was calling you last night [04:20] you better hide! [04:20] * Daskreech hides that hide [04:20] I dropped my phone in the toilet :P [04:20] heya nix msg me [04:20] lol [04:20] imbrandon: That's what I was goinna say!! [04:23] nixternal: you dropped your brand-spanking-new iphone it the jon? [04:23] * vorian runs [04:29] vorian, mind if I ask you a packaging question [04:29] (I'm not sure how best to handle this, so I need some advice) [04:29] i'll give it a shot [04:29] when is the next meeting? [04:30] rocksndiamonds [04:30] vorian, as you know dh_shlibdeps generated the dependencies via ${shlibs:Depends} [04:31] How do you handle it that when you have a split package (like kdepim) that one of those shared libraries is built by the same source package, but a different binary package [04:31] (aka, libkdepim is built, and then another binary package depends on it from the same source; its that issue that breaks dh_shlibdeps) [04:38] * NCommander smells vorian's brain melting [04:39] i got d/c. when is the next meeting? [04:41] NCommander: which binary is required for build-deps? i'm not seeing that in kdepim [04:41] buck cherry rocks! [04:41] wha! [04:41] libkdepim1-dev [04:41] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/libkdepim1-dev/filelist [04:42] there is no meeting date yet? [04:42] kdepim-dev depends on libkdepim1 [04:42] flaccid: not yet that I know of [04:42] flaccid: not that i know of [04:42] ha [04:42] no worries then [04:42] Both are built from kdepim [04:42] can we set one? [04:42] need to ask the community manager's approval though [04:42] dh_shlibdeps seems to blow it up in this case [04:43] nixternal: JR ? [04:43] *blow up in this [04:43] flaccid: no, me :P [04:44] vorian, I could have it ignore the plugin shared library, and explicately set that dependnecy [04:44] but yes, we would need JR as well too see when he is avail [04:44] rightio [04:44] has artwork in default settings been talked about anywhere? [04:44] NCommander: what is the issue you are seeing with kdepim now? [04:44] to lazy to scroll up :) [04:45] nixternal, FTBFS because dh_shlibdeps blows itself up [04:45] kdepim-dev depends on libkdepim1 [04:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/27209/ build deps for kdepim source [04:45] both are built from the same source package [04:45] It seems dh_shlibsdep can't handle this properly [04:45] what is the error that causes it to ftbfs? [04:46] dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libkdepim.so.4 needed by debian/kdepim-dev/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/designer/kdepimwidgets.so (its RPATH is ''). [04:46] NCommander: that shouldn't be the issue, as a lot of things depends on others from the same package [04:46] Well, I'm going to try setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH via the command line option [04:46] hrmm, thought we weren't using RPATH [04:46] but the man page says that shouldn't be required [04:47] So if that fails, I just want to have a backup plan on deck (I already figured out how to set the required flags through cdbs ;-), just a matter of updating the rules file, making sure it doesnt FTBFS with pbuilder, then nag vorian to sponsor) [04:48] I can't sponsor packages in main, sorry [04:48] d'oh [04:48] * vorian is just a little tike [04:48] WHos' teh KDE main guru? [04:49] you want THE guru? [04:49] when you have a fix, subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors [04:49] I find finding sponsors on IRC much more effective ;-) [04:50] I bet they don't see it that way ^.^ [04:50] * NCommander is smited [04:52] * nixternal agrees with vorian :) [04:54] NCommander: the work-flow is really much more efficient on lp [04:54] Heh [04:54] well, I'll have it soon [04:54] It'll be my second package getting patched in main [04:54] excellent :) [04:55] * nixternal wonders why kdepim is failing now and hasn't before with that config [04:55] * nixternal wonders if everything has been pushed to main [04:56] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15968572/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.kdepim_4%3A4.0.83-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [04:56] hrmm [04:56] kdepim and libkdepim-dev aren't from the same package [04:57] libkdepim-dev should be in the kdepimlibs package [04:57] that has to be in main, because kdebase relies on it as well [04:57] * NCommander is lost [04:59] nixternal, libkdepim4 is built from the intrepid kdepim source package [04:59] hrmm [04:59] I would think that was in the kdepimlibs package [05:01] I don't even see a kdepimlibs pacakge [05:01] !info kdepimlibs intrepid [05:01] Package kdepimlibs does not exist in intrepid [05:01] !info kde4pimlibs intrepid [05:01] Package kde4pimlibs does not exist in intrepid [05:01] hrmm [05:01] * NCommander runs apt-get update on nixternal's brain [05:01] !info kdepimlibs5 intrepid [05:01] kdepimlibs5 (source: kdepimlibs): core libraries for KDE PIM 4 applications. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 2401 kB, installed size 6892 kB [05:01] there it is [05:02] "is optional" [05:02] ya, but everything kde* pretty much build-deps on it [05:02] NCommander is correct, libkdepim4 is a binary in kdepim [05:02] optional as in it doesn't need to be installed on the system for typical use [05:04] nixternal, this library still being built out of kdepim [05:05] (at least, the build logs tell me that) [05:05] So very strange [05:06] ya, haven't looked at it in a while [05:07] might be forgetting something [05:07] but I built kdepim just recently and had no problems [05:07] could be a cmake issue, who knows [05:07] it builds fine on amd64 [05:07] w/o building it I wouldn't know [05:07] nixternal, it builds fine without issue [05:07] Its debhelper thats causing the FTBFS [05:08] why is debhelper causing it? [05:08] It runs dh_shlibsdep to determine shlibs dependencies [05:08] But it doesn't setup LD_LIBRARY_PATH via the proper option to let it find libkdepim [05:35] Hug day Tuesday! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080715 [05:35] g'nite! [05:35] nn === kewark is now known as krawek === yuriy changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Teams | 8.04.1 released | Hug Day Tuesday! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080715 | Congratulations vorian! our newest MOTU member!!! [09:09] Is kdesudo currently broken in 4.1 ? [09:22] why rss plasmoid is not included in intrepid? [09:22] where can i find one? [09:25] and I can't find dictionary plasmoid as well [09:26] i believe those 2 used to be default plasmoids === jr_ is now known as Riddell [09:29] morning all [09:29] what did I miss? [09:31] Riddell! [09:32] Riddell: you did miss me ;) === hunger_t is now known as hunger [09:41] apachelogger: did you package anything from 4.0.98? [10:02] ping [10:03] pong [10:08] pong is an old atari game. It's what used to be considered "fun"! === jr_ is now known as Riddelll [10:10] how do people ever manage without a screen session? === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [10:14] Riddell: they use an irc proxy. [10:16] I guess a working network manager would help === jords__ is now known as jords [11:01] Riddell: Quassel! [11:02] Konvi [11:03] (what's the topic?) [11:03] Jucato: [07/14/08 12:09:35] < Riddelll> how do people ever manage without a screen session? [11:03] ah well.. Konvi!! [11:03] :P [11:03] Konvi + Miau :P [11:07] Arby, JontheEchidna: if you want to join the rc1 hardy backport fun, please poke Riddell [11:08] I might be able to do some this evening. at work right now. [11:15] apachelogger: you renamed kdeplasma-applets back to kdeplasmoids? [11:15] Riddell: yes [11:16] should I rename it? [11:16] we should follow upstream, who seems to have changed to kdeplasma-applets [11:16] ok [11:16] Riddell: binary packages as well? [11:17] yeah, guess so [11:18] kdeplasma-addons [11:18] right [11:18] * Riddell finds http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166451 [11:18] KDE bug 166451 in general "kdeplasmoids was renamed to kdeplasma-addons" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [11:19] apachelogger: I'll upload kde4libs and kdepimlibs to intrepid now [11:20] ok [11:23] hi Xand3r, a whole bunch of new extragear tars are available if you're in a packaging mood :) [11:25] Riddell: thx, but i am in the mood of sleeping [11:27] i can get some tonight [11:28] Xand3r: go snooze! [11:28] vorian: groovy, poke me when you want them [11:28] Riddell: go ahead and give some to me :) [11:30] i need to upload k9copy too [11:30] Riddell: kdeplasma-addons available [11:30] thanks apachelogger [11:31] oh gosh, kdebindings doesn't build again :| [11:32] if revu get's back online today, JontheEchidna has a few plasmoids that can prolly be uploaded [11:50] Riddell: do you want to me add 'Replaces: *-kde4' on the affected packages? [12:01] vorian: yes, although I'd expect it to already be there for most [12:09] oh, we have a new website [12:09] when did that happen ryanakca? [12:11] Riddell: please play catchup it was in the UWN for crying out loud ;) [12:16] Riddell: Yesterday or the day before that (I think) [12:16] I wonder how I edit it [12:17] With the account you had on the test server? === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [12:37] good morning [12:56] More plasma goodness, revu pls: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=plasmoid-quickaccess [13:29] hm [13:29] new website [13:29]