[01:14] <vorian> JontheEchidna: plasmoid-wifi reviewed
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> vorian: plasmoid-wifi reuploaded
[01:29] <vorian> thanks JontheEchidna :)
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> yw
[01:30] <vorian> cdbs
[01:30] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i want you to write that 100 time
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> plasmoid-am4rok?
[01:31] <vorian> and previewer
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I was told by another motu that it was better just to license the package under the "GPL" so that it wouldn't have to be re-done when another version came around
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=toggle-compositing
[01:39] <vorian> JontheEchidna: nice work on plasmoid-weather
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> Thanks
[01:41] <vorian> JontheEchidna: there is a readable source for a watch file with plasmoid-wifi
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> what's a watch file?
[01:42] <vorian> :O
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> >.>
[01:42] <vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/DebianWatch
[01:44] <vorian> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27185/
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> handy!
[01:45] <vorian> quite
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> Ok, I reuploaded plasmoid-am4rok
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> oh, hasn't hit revu yet
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> nvm
[01:46] <vorian> still needs the copying file from upstream
[01:47] <vorian> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/stats.html
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> ah, that one too? damn
[01:47] <vorian> aye
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> vorian: Would something like this be good:
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> Hello,
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> I am packaging the plasma-am4rok plasmoid for Kubuntu so that it can be installed in the next release, Kubuntu 8.10 codename Intrepid Ibex. To package this (K)Ubuntu and Debian require the upstream project to include a copy of the GPL that the software is licensed under. (The GPL-2 in this case.) This is usually in the form of a file in the root of the source tree simply called "COPYING".
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> I am attaching a copy of the COPYING file for your convenience.
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> Thank you, and we look forward to seeing plasma-am4rok in the next Kubuntu release. (Love the plasmoid, btw. It's very handy ;))
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> oops
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> meant that to be a pastebin link
[01:59] <vorian> sounds great :)
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> good, cuz I already sent it. :P
[01:59] <vorian> haha
[02:00] <vorian> are those the only plasmoids not in kubuntu already?
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> I think the only plasmoids we have are the ones included in kdebase and kdeplasmoids
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> which was renamed to kdeplasma-addons
[02:00] <vorian> wow, there's a blue million on kde-look
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> most of the cool ones aren't 4.1 api'd yet. (emailnotify, toggle-compositing, coremoid)
[02:01] <vorian> i like previewer, that's gonna come in handy
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> ok, I just need to re-up plasmoid-wifi with the watch file
[02:02] <vorian> excellent :)
[02:03] <vorian> oh, does quicklaunch work?
[02:03]  * vorian checks
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> pretty much anything after the euro 2008 league table update-wise shouldn't work afaik
[02:04] <vorian> meh
[02:05] <DaskreeCh> vorian: What's a blue million?
[02:05] <vorian> just some hick slang
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> "fscking big amount" of plasmids
[02:06] <vorian> for a lot
[02:06] <vorian> or that ^.^
[02:09] <DaskreeCh> Has the plasmoids API been locked down yet?
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> DaskreeCh: Pretty much
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> I think any more changes will be small changes/new API functions
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> Might want to ask #plasma on that to be sure though
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> Once the plasmoids get uploaded to Intrepid can we backport them to the kde4-members ppa?
[02:12] <DaskreeCh> Will the Notify plasmoid ship?
[02:12] <DaskreeCh> Everyone keeps telling me to use that one :-)
[02:13] <JontheEchidna> I think it's still in playground... :(
[02:13] <JontheEchidna> So is the cia.vc applet :(
[02:13] <JontheEchidna> That was the one I really wanted to see for 4.1
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> vorian: plasmoid-wifi is reuploaded
[02:15] <vorian> danke
[02:16]  * vorian is secretly building system-status
[02:16] <DaskreeCh> Will they be allowed to move for a 4.1.x update?
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> kil8n.thatlanguagewhichdankeisin(you're welcome)
[02:17] <vorian> ha!
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> de, I'm guessing?
[02:17] <vorian> from what i've gathered
[02:18] <DaskreeCh> danke is nl isn't it?
[02:18] <vorian> ja
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> thankstr = kil8n.nl("you're welcome") <- proper python
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> self.QLabel.setText(thankstr)
[02:30] <vorian> haha
[02:34] <vorian> oooh, shiny
[02:40]  * JontheEchidna packages quick access
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> oh cool, tar.gz and correct directory naming conventions
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> vorian: Are we going with a plasmoid- prefix or a -plasmoid suffix?
[02:46] <vorian> I used a prefix
[02:46] <vorian> for system-whatchamacallit
[02:46] <vorian> plasmoid-system-whatchamacallit
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> oh, because the bug description on the dupe checker had -plasmoid at the end
[02:47] <vorian> then, someone can just apt-get install plasmoid-*
[02:47] <vorian> hmm
[02:47] <DaskreeCh> Are we going to have virtual packages that group them ?
[02:48] <vorian> +1, we should
[02:48] <vorian> kubuntu-plasma-extras
[02:48] <vorian> or something of the like
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> we should bring this up at the next meeting
[02:48]  * JontheEchidna has already marked plasma discussion on the agenda
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> Are we going to go beyond the kdebase plasmoids for a base install of kubuntu?
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> 'cuz it would be nice if we could offer a few extra ones
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> maybe the best from kdeplasmoids and the best from kubuntu-plasma-extras or whatever
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> heh, I guess we should discuss that at the meeting too
[02:51] <DaskreeCh> The default Plasmoids?
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> yeah, default ones that would come with a base Kubuntu install
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> Maybe at least we could put a tip in the release announcement recommending that people install kdeplasmoids and the kubuntu-extra-plasma module
[03:02]  * DaskreeCh chuckles
[03:02] <DaskreeCh> you mean install a plasmoid-not-found :)
[03:03] <flaccid>  in the KubuntuIntrepidDefaults it has "In System Settings, move the Advanced items to the bottom of the main page, and remove the tabs. Use smaller text and enable word wrap. " <-- what is the benefit/point of this?
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> :o shiny!
[03:04] <DaskreeCh> Word wrap is awesome what are you talking about?
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> omg <3 quickaccess
[03:05] <flaccid> i actually talking about the removal of the advanced tab part
[03:05] <vorian> JontheEchidna: it's nice eh?
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> shiny! plus animate-y!
[03:06] <vorian> is that pirate speak!
[03:06] <flaccid> just that in the blue print it was not to modify something kde unless it has a benefit. i don't see what benefit removing advanced tab could do
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> what's that command that finds missing depends?
[03:09] <vorian> the apt-command?
[03:09] <vorian> apt-get build-dep
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> oh damn, that would only work for existing packages
[03:10]  * JontheEchidna mutters
[03:10] <vorian> there's also get-build-deps in ubuntu-dev-tools
[03:11] <JontheEchidna> hmm, that seems to only help if you know all the build-deps
[03:12] <DaskreeCh> flaccid: That's actually on the books to be done?
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> apt-file to the rescue!
[03:13] <vorian> JontheEchidna: what are you looking at?
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> vorian: need to package quickaccess, needs some extra build-deps
[03:13] <vorian> ic
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> konq_operations.h <- apt-file should fine the package that that's in
[03:14] <flaccid> DaskreeCh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidDefaults
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> will have to do tomorrow though, bbl
[03:16] <Jucato> flaccid: imho it should have never been there in the first place... but usability takes precedence over me :)
[03:17] <DaskreeCh> flaccid: A folderview for desktop by default :)
[03:17] <flaccid> Jucato: hehe yeah. the fact is that advanced gives context and only more and more things are going to be added to system settings, so yeah you are right its a useability thing
[03:17] <flaccid> where do these decisions come from?
[03:17] <DaskreeCh> Meetings i would suspect
[03:18] <DaskreeCh> I think that I don't really care about the basic Vs advanced stuff
[03:18] <DaskreeCh> I just want search fixed
[03:18] <flaccid> i think its important to specify reasons in blue prints especially when you say "Keep close to KDE 4, only change when a definite benefit."
[03:18] <DaskreeCh> When I search show me hits from both tabs
[03:18] <flaccid> ah dang
[03:19] <Jucato> DaskreeCh: without showing how many hits in which tab right? (KDE 4.1 I presume)
[03:21] <Jucato> flaccid: I'm sure it's TBH still. be present in the next meeting and raise it up or put it in the agenda
[03:21] <Jucato> er..
[03:21] <Jucato> TBD
[03:21]  * DaskreeCh shrugs. I've offered lots of suggestions for System settings
[03:21]  * Jucato gets his acronyms kmixed up
[03:21] <Jucato> DaskreeCh: sure.. but suggestions are nothing if no one's there to do the dirty work :)
[03:21] <flaccid> tbh?
[03:22] <DaskreeCh> Jucato: well not really if suggestions get a good idea or thumbs up then that's better than I dunno putting tabs on a movie player or soemthing
[03:22] <DaskreeCh> flaccid: TBD
[03:22] <Jucato> DaskreeCh: sarcasm :)
[03:22] <DaskreeCh> Jucato: :)
[03:23] <flaccid> tbd?
[03:23] <DaskreeCh> Yeah but most of my suggestions instantly start two camps
[03:23] <Jucato> flaccid: To Be Discussed
[03:23] <DaskreeCh> The Search thing I haven't found anyone to speak against you
[03:23] <Jucato> DaskreeCh: any suggestion always starts 2 camps: the "yes" and the "no"
[03:23] <DaskreeCh> I mean it
[03:23] <DaskreeCh> s/you/it/
[03:26] <flaccid> nw
[03:38] <vorian> NCommander: see topic (todo)
[03:38] <vorian> :)
[03:38] <NCommander> wow
[03:38] <NCommander> mind readers
[03:38] <NCommander> O_o;
[03:38] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:38] <vorian> haha
[03:39] <vorian> hiya imbrandon
[03:39] <imbrandon> heya vorian , hows it goin
[03:39] <vorian> good good
[03:40] <vorian> trying to justify setting the thermostat at 70
[03:40] <imbrandon> heh
[03:42] <NCommander> vorian, your teams package doesn't seem so hot :-/
[03:42] <NCommander> I'd be glad to work on syncing/merging/FTBFS's
[03:44] <Jucato> whoa! hello imbrandon! :)
[03:44] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[03:44] <vorian> NCommander: great :)
[03:44] <Jucato> imbrandon: how's it going? haven't seen you in quite a while (again) :)
[03:45] <NCommander> vorian, point me to your package lists ;-)
[03:45] <imbrandon> i'm arround and such, i just grow tired of IRC at times
[03:45] <Jucato> who doesn't? :)
[03:45] <Jucato> um.. maybe those who go to IRC to find dates :)
[03:45] <imbrandon> lol
[03:45] <vorian> they are with the list you've already been working with :)
[03:45] <imbrandon> NCommander, baby steps :)
[03:45] <NCommander> aka the general FTBFS list?
[03:46] <vorian> yes, if you like fixing the FTBFS (which is awesome)
[03:46] <NCommander> I love fixing FTBFS
[03:46] <NCommander> <-- *m68k Debian porter*
[03:46] <NCommander> I'm trying to figure out why kdepim FTBFS
[03:47] <imbrandon> ahh the m68k, patients too , lol
[03:47] <NCommander> imbrandon, not really. I overclocked the hardware, dropped ccache and distcc under the hood
[03:47] <imbrandon> ahh
[03:47] <NCommander> ^_^
[03:49] <NCommander> Is anyone actively working on the kdepim FTBFS
[03:50] <imbrandon> likely not, esp if its ubuntu specific
[03:50] <imbrandon> not debian also
[03:50] <NCommander> Well, assuming its not a buildd specific issue
[03:51] <NCommander> It looks like the rules file is buggered up
[03:52] <NCommander> vorian, if you can point me to someone who has sparc/ia64 hardware and is willing to give a non-MOTU SSH access, I can also work on the other kde failures on those architectures
[03:53] <imbrandon> NCommander, about sparc you might speak with sirtart , we have a sparc box in the ubuntuwire network but i'm not sure about non-motu access , are you a dd?
[03:53] <NCommander> imbrandon, working on becoming on
[03:53] <NCommander> My application stuck in limbo
[03:54] <imbrandon> ahh well chances are slim as we use LP to auth but you can ask
[03:54] <NCommander> nah, its alright
[03:54] <NCommander> QEMU has sparc support
[03:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:55] <NCommander> It's probably painful, but I can probably use its user-emulation to run a sparc chroot
[03:56] <imbrandon> try scratchbox
[03:56] <imbrandon> its nice for things like that
[03:56] <imbrandon> it uses qemu to compile/run cross env's
[03:56] <imbrandon> http://www.scratchbox.org/
[03:57] <NCommander> Doesn't support sparc
[03:57] <imbrandon> mostly ARM cenetered but will work for anything gcc supports
[03:58] <imbrandon> i use it for mipsel and ppc
[03:58] <NCommander> I know there is a way to hook qemu right into the linux kernel
[03:58] <NCommander> SO sparc binaries can just be run
[03:59] <NCommander> hence I can just debootstrap the sparc port
[03:59] <imbrandon> yea, binfmt, thats what scratchbox does, it just takes alot of the config care of for you
[03:59] <NCommander> Oh
[03:59] <NCommander> Awesome
[04:00] <NCommander> DOes it handle the creation of the sparc toolchain
[04:00] <NCommander> Or do I need to build that my self
[04:01] <imbrandon> it has some of it strapped i tihnk but then you likely need to rebuild sdome of it
[04:01] <imbrandon> i did for ppc
[04:02] <NCommander> it seems their APT repo is broken
[04:03] <NCommander> yeah, KDE and sparc don't have any love ATM
[04:04] <DaskreeCh> Didn't Sparc GIVE KDE a server
[04:05] <DaskreeCh> cause of love and to get some love? :)
[04:05] <NCommander> rofl
[04:05] <NCommander> SPeaking of scratchbox
[04:05] <NCommander> It doesn't appear to support AMD64 as a host ;.;
[04:06] <flaccid> where is the meeting schedule?
[04:06] <imbrandon> NCommander, huh ?
[04:06] <imbrandon> quote "SB2 is totally distribution neutral. I develop it currently on Fedora 8 using Debian/sid as a build tool distribution. It's known to work at least on Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo and Fedora. Both x86 and amd64 architectures are supported. PPC host support is possible, but not planned. Mac OS X is a potential platform as well, if you're interested in hacking on that, please contact lle at rahina dot org."
[04:07] <vorian> flaccid: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[04:07] <NCommander> So not the current release which is still 1.x
[04:07] <flaccid> that system settings advanced thing is in the Todo
[04:07] <flaccid> thanks vorian. and congrats on motu
[04:07] <imbrandon> NCommander, 1.x is dead, been so for ages, use 2.x
[04:07] <vorian> thanks :)
[04:07] <flaccid> np!
[04:08] <NCommander> ah
[04:08] <imbrandon> NCommander, kinda funny, wanna use new hardware ( amd64 ) with old software ( 1.x ) heh
[04:08] <NCommander> well, right now, I'm building kdepim
[04:09] <flaccid> next meeting seems to have already passed
[04:09] <NCommander> I think I see a quick fix for getting it to build, but its probably not the right one, then I'll attack it working on lintian issues
[04:19] <nixternal> yo yo
[04:20] <Daskreech> yo yo
[04:20]  * imbrandon hides
[04:20] <Daskreech> I was calling you last night
[04:20] <nixternal> you better hide!
[04:20]  * Daskreech hides that hide
[04:20] <nixternal> I dropped my phone in the toilet :P
[04:20] <imbrandon> heya nix msg me
[04:20] <imbrandon> lol
[04:20] <Daskreech> imbrandon: That's what I was goinna say!!
[04:23] <vorian> nixternal: you dropped your brand-spanking-new iphone it the jon?
[04:23]  * vorian runs
[04:29] <NCommander> vorian, mind if I ask you a packaging question
[04:29] <NCommander> (I'm not sure how best to handle this, so I need some advice)
[04:29] <vorian> i'll give it a shot
[04:29] <flaccid> when is the next meeting?
[04:30] <vorian> rocksndiamonds
[04:30] <NCommander> vorian, as you know dh_shlibdeps generated the dependencies via ${shlibs:Depends}
[04:31] <NCommander> How do you handle it that when you have a split package (like kdepim) that one of those shared libraries is built by the same source package, but a different binary package
[04:31] <NCommander> (aka, libkdepim is built, and then another binary package depends on it from the same source; its that issue that breaks dh_shlibdeps)
[04:38]  * NCommander smells vorian's brain melting
[04:39] <flaccid> i got d/c. when is the next meeting?
[04:41] <vorian> NCommander: which binary is required for build-deps? i'm not seeing that in kdepim
[04:41] <nixternal> buck cherry rocks!
[04:41] <vorian> wha!
[04:41] <NCommander> libkdepim1-dev
[04:41] <NCommander> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/libkdepim1-dev/filelist
[04:42] <flaccid> there is no meeting date  yet?
[04:42] <NCommander> kdepim-dev depends on libkdepim1
[04:42] <nixternal> flaccid: not yet that I know of
[04:42] <vorian> flaccid: not that i know of
[04:42] <vorian> ha
[04:42] <flaccid> no worries then
[04:42] <NCommander> Both are built from kdepim
[04:42] <flaccid> can we set one?
[04:42] <nixternal> need to ask the community manager's approval though
[04:42] <NCommander> dh_shlibdeps seems to blow it up in this case
[04:43] <flaccid> nixternal: JR ?
[04:43] <NCommander> *blow up in this
[04:43] <nixternal> flaccid: no, me :P
[04:44] <NCommander> vorian, I could have it ignore the plugin shared library, and explicately set that dependnecy
[04:44] <nixternal> but yes, we would need JR as well too see when he is avail
[04:44] <flaccid> rightio
[04:44] <flaccid> has artwork in default settings been talked about anywhere?
[04:44] <nixternal> NCommander: what is the issue you are seeing with kdepim now?
[04:44] <nixternal> to lazy to scroll up :)
[04:45] <NCommander> nixternal, FTBFS because dh_shlibdeps blows itself up
[04:45] <NCommander> kdepim-dev depends on libkdepim1
[04:45] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27209/ build deps for kdepim source
[04:45] <NCommander> both are built from the same source package
[04:45] <NCommander> It seems dh_shlibsdep can't handle this properly
[04:45] <nixternal> what is the error that causes it to ftbfs?
[04:46] <NCommander> dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libkdepim.so.4 needed by debian/kdepim-dev/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/designer/kdepimwidgets.so (its RPATH is '').
[04:46] <nixternal> NCommander: that shouldn't be the issue, as a lot of things depends on others from the same package
[04:46] <NCommander> Well, I'm going to try setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH via the command line option
[04:46] <nixternal> hrmm, thought we weren't using RPATH
[04:46] <NCommander> but the man page says that shouldn't be required
[04:47] <NCommander> So if that fails, I just want to have a backup plan on deck (I already figured out how to set the required flags through cdbs ;-), just a matter of updating the rules file, making sure it doesnt FTBFS with pbuilder, then nag vorian to sponsor)
[04:48] <vorian> I can't sponsor packages in main, sorry
[04:48] <NCommander> d'oh
[04:48]  * vorian is just a little tike
[04:48] <NCommander> WHos' teh KDE main guru?
[04:49] <yuriy> you want THE guru?
[04:49] <vorian> when you have a fix, subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors
[04:49] <NCommander> I find finding sponsors on IRC much more effective ;-)
[04:50] <vorian> I bet they don't see it that way ^.^
[04:50]  * NCommander is smited
[04:52]  * nixternal agrees with vorian :)
[04:54] <vorian> NCommander: the work-flow is really much more efficient on lp
[04:54] <NCommander> Heh
[04:54] <NCommander> well, I'll have it soon
[04:54] <NCommander> It'll be my second package getting patched in main
[04:54] <vorian> excellent :)
[04:55]  * nixternal wonders why kdepim is failing now and hasn't before with that config
[04:55]  * nixternal wonders if everything has been pushed to main
[04:56] <vorian> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15968572/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.kdepim_4%3A4.0.83-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:56] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:56] <nixternal> kdepim and libkdepim-dev aren't from the same package
[04:57] <nixternal> libkdepim-dev should be in the kdepimlibs package
[04:57] <nixternal> that has to be in main, because kdebase relies on it as well
[04:57]  * NCommander is lost
[04:59] <NCommander> nixternal, libkdepim4 is built from the intrepid kdepim source package
[04:59] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:59] <nixternal> I would think that was in the kdepimlibs package
[05:01] <NCommander> I don't even see a kdepimlibs pacakge
[05:01] <nixternal> !info kdepimlibs intrepid
[05:01] <nixternal> !info kde4pimlibs intrepid
[05:01] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:01]  * NCommander runs apt-get update on nixternal's brain
[05:01] <nixternal> !info kdepimlibs5 intrepid
[05:01] <nixternal> there it is
[05:02] <NCommander> "is optional"
[05:02] <nixternal> ya, but everything kde* pretty much build-deps on it
[05:02] <vorian> NCommander is correct, libkdepim4 is a binary in kdepim
[05:02] <nixternal> optional as in it doesn't need to be installed on the system for typical use
[05:04] <NCommander> nixternal, this library still being built out of kdepim
[05:05] <NCommander> (at least, the build logs tell me that)
[05:05] <NCommander> So very strange
[05:06] <nixternal> ya, haven't looked at it in a while
[05:07] <nixternal> might be forgetting something
[05:07] <nixternal> but I built kdepim just recently and had no problems
[05:07] <nixternal> could be a cmake issue, who knows
[05:07] <NCommander> it builds fine on amd64
[05:07] <nixternal> w/o building it I wouldn't know
[05:07] <NCommander> nixternal, it builds fine without issue
[05:07] <NCommander> Its debhelper thats causing the FTBFS
[05:08] <nixternal> why is debhelper causing it?
[05:08] <NCommander> It runs dh_shlibsdep to determine shlibs dependencies
[05:08] <NCommander> But it doesn't setup LD_LIBRARY_PATH via the proper option to let it find libkdepim
[05:35] <yuriy> Hug day Tuesday! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080715
[05:35] <nixternal> g'nite!
[05:35] <vorian> nn
[09:09] <genii> Is kdesudo currently broken in 4.1 ?
[09:22] <pasal103> why rss plasmoid is not included in intrepid?
[09:22] <pasal103> where can i find one?
[09:25] <pasal103> and I can't find dictionary plasmoid as well
[09:26] <pasal103> i believe those 2 used to be default plasmoids
[09:29] <Riddell> morning all
[09:29] <Riddell> what did I miss?
[09:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell!
[09:32] <Tm_T> Riddell: you did miss me ;)
[09:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you package anything from 4.0.98?
[10:02] <Riddell> ping
[10:03] <Hobbsee> pong
[10:08] <genii> pong is an old atari game. It's what used to be considered "fun"!
[10:10] <Riddelll> how do people ever manage without a screen session?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: they use an irc proxy.
[10:16] <Riddell> I guess a working network manager would help
[11:01] <jussio1> Riddell: Quassel!
[11:02] <Jucato> Konvi
[11:03] <Jucato> (what's the topic?)
[11:03] <jussio1> Jucato: [07/14/08 12:09:35] < Riddelll> how do people ever manage without a screen session?
[11:03] <Jucato> ah well.. Konvi!!
[11:03] <Jucato> :P
[11:03] <Jucato> Konvi + Miau :P
[11:07] <apachelogger> Arby, JontheEchidna: if you want to join the rc1 hardy backport fun, please poke Riddell
[11:08] <Arby> I might be able to do some this evening. at work right now.
[11:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: you renamed kdeplasma-applets back to kdeplasmoids?
[11:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[11:16] <apachelogger> should I rename it?
[11:16] <Riddell> we should follow upstream, who seems to have changed to kdeplasma-applets
[11:16] <apachelogger> ok
[11:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: binary packages as well?
[11:17] <Riddell> yeah, guess so
[11:18] <Jucato> kdeplasma-addons
[11:18] <Riddell> right
[11:18]  * Riddell finds http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166451
[11:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'll upload kde4libs and kdepimlibs to intrepid now
[11:20] <apachelogger> ok
[11:23] <Riddell> hi Xand3r, a whole bunch of new extragear tars are available if you're in a packaging mood :)
[11:25] <Xand3r> Riddell: thx, but i am in the mood of sleeping
[11:27] <vorian> i can get some tonight
[11:28] <Riddell> Xand3r: go snooze!
[11:28] <Riddell> vorian: groovy, poke me when you want them
[11:28] <vorian> Riddell: go ahead and give some to me :)
[11:30] <vorian> i need to upload k9copy too
[11:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdeplasma-addons available
[11:30] <Riddell> thanks apachelogger
[11:31] <apachelogger> oh gosh, kdebindings doesn't build again :|
[11:32] <vorian> if revu get's back online today, JontheEchidna has a few plasmoids that can prolly be uploaded
[11:50] <vorian> Riddell: do you want to me add 'Replaces: *-kde4' on the affected packages?
[12:01] <Riddell> vorian: yes, although I'd expect it to already be there for most
[12:09] <Riddell> oh, we have a new website
[12:09] <Riddell> when did that happen ryanakca?
[12:11] <davmor2> Riddell: please play catchup it was in the UWN for crying out loud ;)
[12:16] <jpds> Riddell: Yesterday or the day before that (I think)
[12:16] <Riddell> I wonder how I edit it
[12:17] <jpds> With the account you had on the test server?
[12:37] <JontheEchidna> good morning
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> More plasma goodness, revu pls: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=plasmoid-quickaccess
[13:29] <apachelogger> hm
[13:29] <apachelogger> new website
[13:29] <apachelogger> we defenitely should work on our promotion :S
[13:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: how do you mean?
[13:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: launching a new website is a perfect reason to push out some intrepid progress promotion
[13:30] <apachelogger> and vorian being motu
[13:30] <apachelogger> stuff like that
[13:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdebindings uploaded
[13:32] <apachelogger> still only providing python
[13:32] <Riddell> did you try others?
[13:32] <apachelogger> yes
[13:32] <apachelogger> smoke is still breaking
[13:33] <ScottK> Speaking of promotion, someone really ought to do the MIR for guidance-power-manager.
[13:33] <Riddell> oh well, I hear they're all at a meeting this week
[13:33] <Riddell> it isn't in main already ScottK?
[13:33] <Riddell> it shouldn't need a MIR, it's a port of code already in main
[13:33] <Riddell> Filename: pool/main/g/guidance-power-manager/guidance-power-manager_4.0.83-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[13:34] <Riddell> looks main to me
[13:34] <ScottK> OK.
[13:34] <ScottK> Nevermind then.
[13:34] <ScottK> I think we just need to change the maintainer on the next upload then.
[13:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I created a script for l10n updates http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/updatel10n.rb
[13:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's it do?
[13:37] <apachelogger> apt-get source the current language pack
[13:37] <apachelogger> copies the debian dir into the new source
[13:37] <apachelogger> add changelog entry
[13:37] <apachelogger> + updates standards-version
[13:37] <apachelogger> debuild -S -sa
[13:37] <apachelogger> moves diff, dsc, orig and changes to seperate upload directory
[13:39] <Riddell> groovy
[13:41] <Xand3r> apachelogger: thats sound nice
[13:41] <Xand3r> in ruby?
[13:41] <apachelogger> of course
[13:41] <Xand3r> maybe i will learn that
[13:41] <apachelogger> is there anything other than ruby? ;-)
[13:43] <Xand3r> apachelogger: python
[13:46] <apachelogger> sounds dangerous
[13:47] <ScottK> There is everything other than Ruby.
[13:51]  * JontheEchidna hasn't gotten his motu-reviewers digest for 2 days now :/
[13:53] <Hobbsee> has anyone actually done any reviews?
[13:53] <Xand3r> apachelogger: looks nice the script, so far i can say that, some times i know what you have written sometimes i have to guess
[13:54] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: vorian did some yesterday
[13:54] <Hobbsee> ah
[13:55] <apachelogger> Xand3r: hm, where do you have to guess ... for example?
[13:57] <Xand3r> apachelogger: lFile.split("-")[2]   the  "[2]"
[13:57] <apachelogger> .split creates an array [2] access the 3rd value of that array
[13:58] <apachelogger> split("-") on foo-bar-1.0 would create an array of ["foo","bar","1.0"]
[13:58] <apachelogger> [2] access the "1.0"
[13:59] <Xand3r> ?
[13:59] <apachelogger> ?
[14:03] <Xand3r> apachelogger: dont got it
[14:03] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what?
[14:03] <Xand3r> i have no clue what you wanna tell me
[14:04] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what the [2] does :P
[14:04] <Xand3r> i only see foo bar som singns
[14:04] <Xand3r> and dont understand what you say
[14:04] <apachelogger> I guess you don't know what an array is, right?
[14:28] <Xand3r> apachelogger: for example and som logikal problems
[14:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: I don't know, I was gone last week and I came back to a new website... it was before Friday
[14:34] <ryanakca> Riddell: Everything has been running smoothly from what I can tell, a couple bugs have appeared but they've been fixed or are in the process of being fixed (we never had the old rss feed redirect to the new one and someone was complaining that Russia shouldn't be under Asia for downloads)
[14:35] <Xand3r> apachelogger: could you comment your script? for a realy noob. maybe then i understand it
[14:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: I also modified the contact page... people can now file the bugs on launchpad and if they have comments / other issues, they can email us
[14:39] <jjesse> morning
[14:42]  * ryanakca waves
[14:42]  * jjesse waves back
[14:45] <jjesse> wow haven't updated my intrepid VM in a long tim... 598 packages need upgraded
[14:46] <jjesse> and 85 are newly installed
[14:51] <hunger> jjesse: VMs are for wimps:-)
[14:54] <jjesse> hunger: i live in vms... currenlty running 4
[14:55] <hunger> jjesse: I am currently in the process of upgrading my main machine to intrepid:-)
[14:55]  * hunger is on vacation and has time to fix the fallout;-)
[14:55] <jjesse> ah my main machine is my work machine
[14:55] <jjesse> so don't have time to screw with it
[14:56] <hunger> The only annoyance (so far) is that cmake is broken, so I needed to build a version from source.
[14:57] <nixternal> mornin'
[14:58] <hunger> That is broken, too, but since I am lucky it still works for me, even though the debian rules file has broken build dependencies.
[15:01] <jjesse> morning Nightrose
[15:01] <jjesse> do
[15:01] <jjesse> morning nixternal
[15:02] <nixternal> you just called me a girly :P
[15:03] <jjesse> you are girly
[15:03] <nixternal> reduced fat turkey-bacon sammich from starbucks is the best!
[15:03] <jjesse> sounds gross
[15:03] <jjesse> you know they don't make anything fresh, just unfreeze it
[15:11]  * Hobbsee should edit !nixternal?
[15:12] <nixternal> oh no, to what?
[15:12] <jjesse> reduced fat turkey-backon sammich from strbucks is the best
[15:12] <Hobbsee> !nixternal
[15:12] <Xand3r> ScottK: hi, i thought you hade backported screenie-qt?
[15:12] <Hobbsee> adding the girly bit in there
[15:12] <nixternal> lol
[15:12] <ScottK> Xand3r: I've asked for it, but an archive admin has to excute the actual backport.
[15:13] <Xand3r> ScottK: hmm an archive admin? where are there, dont hide^^
[15:14] <ScottK> Xand3r: It's generally considered polite just to wait for them to get to it unless it's particularly urgent.
[15:14]  * hunger finds it pretty hard to update kde from hardy to intrepid:-|
[15:14] <ScottK> The Tuesday archive admin is usually pretty good about doing backports.
[15:14] <ScottK> ** Riddell **
[15:15] <Xand3r> ^^
[15:16] <Xand3r> ScottK: ah thought Riddell were only for main and univers, but archive admin means about all archive?
[15:16] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:16] <Xand3r> kk
[15:17] <seele> ugh.. the first day back from vacation always sucks
[15:18] <Riddell> seele: I'm feeling your pain
[15:18]  * hunger wonders why he needs mysql-server-5.0 for kdesdk in intrepid.
[15:18] <Riddell> hunger: akonadi I expect
[15:19] <hunger> Riddell: That is using imap AFAIK.
[15:19]  * seele shares a mutual hug with Riddell 
[15:20] <seele> ugh.. there goes the phone
[15:20] <hunger> Riddell: You are right though: Akonadi-server depends on mysql-server-5.0
[15:23] <hunger> Hmm... how do I get aptitude to actually update kdebase to intrepid?
[15:24] <hunger> Whenever I hit "go" it informs me that it had to resolve conflicts and cancels my selections:-/
[15:25] <apachelogger> meh
[15:25] <apachelogger> hunger: he conflicts would be interesting really ;-)
[15:26] <hunger> apachelogger: It does something now... insists on deinstalling digikam and koffice though.
[15:27] <hunger> ... and it can not install khelpcenter4 either:-|
[15:27] <apachelogger> hunger: you could use apt-get
[15:27] <hunger> I'll just update and see what I can do to get digikam and koffice back and what I can do about khelpcenter4.
[15:56] <rdieter> Riddell: ping (question: where to submit guidance-power-manager bugs?)  my issue; it fails to start when on battery (if on A/C, fine).
[15:57] <Riddell> hmm, good question
[15:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: commented
[15:59] <Riddell> rdieter: I've added a guidance-power-manager product to bugs.kde.org, see if you can report it there
[15:59] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what?
[15:59] <rdieter> Riddell: gotcha
[15:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: the script
[16:00] <Xand3r> apachelogger you are great, where i can join your fan club
[16:00] <Riddell> ooh ooh, I'll join
[16:01] <apachelogger> hehe
[16:01]  * apachelogger is flattered
[16:02] <Xand3r> maybe i misuse launchpad for it
[16:03] <rdieter> Riddell: I only found guidance - System Tools (or maybe I needed to wait?)
[16:09] <Xand3r> apachelogger: still confusing^^
[16:09] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I am not going to explain programming basics :P
[16:11] <Riddell> rdieter: try now
[16:11] <Riddell> seems I have to add a component
[16:11] <Xand3r> apachelogger: hmm ok, it could also be the headache avoid thinking
[16:14] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  what makes FileUtils.mv(gzTarball, origFile)
[16:15] <apachelogger> Xand3r: rename according to debian naming scheme
[16:15] <Xand3r> apachelogger: cool
[16:15] <Xand3r> apachelogger: make it easyer for you^^
[16:16] <rdieter> Riddell: good to go
[16:16] <apachelogger> Xand3r: hm?
[16:17] <Xand3r> apachelogger: maybe in german in the query?
[16:25] <Jucato> ryanakca: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5383749 your first critic :)
[16:33] <ryanakca> Jucato: hurra
[16:33] <ryanakca> Tm_T: ping, about the website in Konqueror?
[16:33] <Tm_T> ryanakca: hi :)
[16:33] <Tm_T> ryanakca: yes, I noticed some small render issues with Konqueror, known?
[16:34] <ryanakca> Tm_T: about the purple lines on the side stopping and then resuming?
[16:35] <Tm_T> ryanakca: mmm, stopping totally here I think
[16:35] <ryanakca> Jucato: nice reply, thanks :) *wonders if he should ask they guy how he would have phrased it*
[16:35] <apachelogger> ryanakca: http://www.kubuntu.org/support akademy pic b0rked
[16:35] <Jucato> ryanakca: I just woke up when I read that... sort of went "wtf?!? O.o" :)
[16:36] <ryanakca> Tm_T: Mind sticking a screenshot somewhere? (Possibly filing the first new bug for the new kubuntu.org, kubuntu-website project on LP?) :D
[16:36] <Xand3r> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~we-love-harald
[16:37] <ryanakca> apachelogger: thanks
[16:37] <Xand3r> Nightrose: https://launchpad.net/~we-love-harald
[16:37] <Nightrose> Xand3r: haha
[16:37]  * ryanakca scratches his head
[16:40] <Tm_T> ryanakca: hmm, no, there is the edgelining in bottom I notice now, but in longer pages it stops at some point
[16:40] <Tm_T> ryanakca: anyway: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/kubuntu-org_01.png and 02
[16:41] <ryanakca> apachelogger: looks like the picture got lost in the move...
[16:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: would you have a copy of the Akademy 2005 picture laying around or can I cut it out of the page?
[16:42] <Riddell> ryanakca: it can go
[16:43] <Xand3r> i want for launchpad filterd html in the "hompage" field
[16:44] <ryanakca> Tm_T: ouch, imho, 01 has a higher priority than 02?
[16:44] <Tm_T> ryanakca: yes I think
[16:45] <Tm_T> ryanakca: 02 is just cosmetic, I think
[16:45] <Tm_T> 01 can be more in some cases
[16:50] <apachelogger> Xand3r: haha
[16:50] <apachelogger> groupies ftw
[16:50] <Xand3r> apachelogger :D
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:51] <Xand3r> JontheEchidna: got the link? join us
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> ok!
[16:52] <yuriy> Jucato: 2nd at least after me
[16:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: l10n available ... however sr@latin is not packaged yet
[16:52] <Jucato> yuriy: heheh.. I meant "critic" in an insulting way :)
[16:53]  * apachelogger just hopes that kfm didn't eat some of the uploads ^_^
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> anybody know what the deadubuntu team is?
[16:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: why's that?
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/~deadubuntuteam
[16:54]  * JontheEchidna is an indirect member and he doesnt' know why
[16:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: that sr@latin is not packaged?
[16:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[16:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: new language
[16:56] <Riddell> mm, is it?
[16:56] <apachelogger> well, not yet in the archives at least
[16:56] <apachelogger> plus, apparently it's only desktop file stuff
[16:56] <apachelogger> the other stuff is in sr itself
[16:56] <apachelogger> which makes me wonder about the purpose of sr@latin really
[16:56] <nixternal> Riddell: who is in charge of JeOS?
[16:56] <apachelogger> anyway, gotta go
[16:56] <Riddell> so it is
[16:57] <Riddell> nixternal: server team
[16:57] <nixternal> groovy..thanks
[16:59] <Xand3r> Riddell: you said you would join a apachelogger fan club, now here is your chance^^ https://launchpad.net/~we-love-harald
[16:59] <nixternal> oh lord
[16:59] <yuriy> please test patches for bug 241916 and bug 243683
[17:40] <Riddell> yuriy: people don't tend to test patches unless the compiled .debs are supplied
[17:40] <Riddell> yuriy: you could upload to your PPA to test?
[17:44] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping
[17:45] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: pong
[17:45] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: i missed you by a minute on saturday
[17:45] <Artemis_Fowl> y. I noticed it afterwards in the logs
[17:46] <Artemis_Fowl> so, you are back from holidays, right?
[17:47] <seele> yep, finally
[17:47] <seele> 8 days was too long to be with the future inlaws
[17:47] <seele> i thought i was going to jump overboard on day 3
[17:47] <Artemis_Fowl> :)
[17:48] <Jucato> whoa hi seele! long time :)
[17:48] <seele> Jucato: hihi.. it was only a week!
[17:48] <seele> maybe 10 days because of the flight.. hmm
[17:48] <seele> i havent blogged in a while either
[17:48] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: anyway, how goes the config tool?
[17:48] <Jucato> :)
[17:49] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I haven't done much since you were gone either. but I have made a small to-ask-seele note
[17:50] <seele> ok
[17:50] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I will ask you some questions then
[17:50] <Jucato> seele: that's just how much I missed you :P
[17:50] <Artemis_Fowl> concerning the last document you sent me
[17:51] <Artemis_Fowl> so
[17:52] <Artemis_Fowl> i changed the label for the entries screen to
[17:52] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ok.. what are your questions
[17:52] <Artemis_Fowl> umm..GRUB Operating Systems
[17:52] <seele> ok, that´s fine
[17:53] <Artemis_Fowl> actually GRUB Operating Systems List
[17:53] <seele> Entries just didn´t make sense and describe what was on the page very well
[17:53] <Artemis_Fowl> next up
[17:53] <Artemis_Fowl> you mention in the next slide to provide more info about automagic but only if it is being used.
[17:54] <Artemis_Fowl> how am I supposed to do this?
[17:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: ug, multiple mouse themes in kdebase-workspace, the artists should rediscover kdeartwork in my opinion
[17:55] <seele> you mean the information in the UI or the check itself?
[17:56] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: i remember some UIs using conditional messages which show errors or extra information in certain cases.. maybe a short message in italics if you notice the Automagic tags in the config file?  Otherwise put no information?
[17:56] <seele> i dont know how hard that would be
[17:57] <seele> does that make sense?
[17:58] <Artemis_Fowl> y sure
[17:58] <Artemis_Fowl> I am just not sure how to provide this "message in italics"
[17:58] <Artemis_Fowl> using a message box?
[17:58] <seele> uhm.. i dont know what the class names are unfortunately
[17:59] <Artemis_Fowl> I mean a simple modal dialog with the info?
[17:59] <seele> no not a dialog.. on the window itself
[17:59] <seele> let me see if i can find an example
[18:00] <Artemis_Fowl> y
[18:00] <Artemis_Fowl> good
[18:00] <seele> i´m in kde3 now, dunno if it´s the same in kde4, but look at System Settings -> Appearance -> Font Installer
[18:00] <seele> see how it has a note in the window after the pane title
[18:01] <seele> like that, except there shouldnt be a border there
[18:01]  * seele probably needs to finish the system setting review at some point
[18:02] <Artemis_Fowl> im on KDE 4.1 beta right now. could you provide a screenshot?
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> ooh, new upstream release of kde-style-polyester
[18:09] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: yeah, one minute
[18:09] <seele> sigh.. imageshack is so slow
[18:13] <Riddell> yuriy: top graphage on planet
[18:14] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: imageshack is taking too long, i emailed your af gmail account
[18:14] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[18:14] <Artemis_Fowl> got it
[18:16] <Artemis_Fowl> providing some info this way would be very simple actually. but where could it fit? above the entry list?
[18:18] <seele> yeah
[18:18] <seele> below the bold text
[18:20] <Artemis_Fowl> ok then. I'll do it someday soon. appended to my TODO list for this release
[18:25] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: I have modifed the Automagic behaviour
[18:25] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: internal movement in the Automagic list is allowed
[18:25] <seele> ok good
[18:25] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: and the buttons turn grey when trying to move an automagic entry out of the list
[18:26] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: plus the y show a tooltip which currently contains dummy text just to see if it is working
[18:26] <seele> ok.  i think that is probably our best option at the moment, but i'll be interested to see how user's do with it
[18:27] <|Artemis_Fowl|> what text should the disabled buttons contain approximately?
[18:27] <|Artemis_Fowl|> This entry can't be moved because it belongs to the Automagic List?
[18:27] <|Artemis_Fowl|> something like this?
[18:28] <seele> yes, that should be fine for now
[18:28] <seele> it could be better, but it's something
[18:29] <Riddell> guid nicht all
[18:30] <|Artemis_Fowl|> ok. in another slide you mention if it is possible to have a separator in the entry list
[18:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: I uploaded some stuff to kubuntu-members-kde4 but without versioned build-deps so it might need giving back if you happen to notice it
[18:30]  * Riddell out
[18:30] <seele> 'night Riddell
[18:30] <|Artemis_Fowl|> guid nicht Riddell :)
[18:31] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: the separator is somewhat difficult. I would have to do lots of custom stuff and I really dont think it would be worth that much effort
[18:32] <Daskreech> Night
[18:32] <seele> |Artemis_Fowl|: ok, we wont worry about it for now.. but i think it is worth looking in to for after the first release
[18:33] <seele> i think it will help illustrate the differences in the list
[18:36] <|Artemis_Fowl|> next up is the entry summary. you had some objections about emty checkboxes and alignment issues and I didnt really like the summary thing so I used the details widget used in the entry list ("Show Details") to show a summary of the entry
[18:36] <|Artemis_Fowl|> -screenshot coming-
[18:38] <|Artemis_Fowl|> http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1588262_jfsm3/KGRUBEditor53.png
[18:40] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: yes, that is fine
[18:40] <seele> that is similar to the ubiquity summary
[18:40] <Artemis_Fowl> y
[18:40] <Artemis_Fowl> good
[18:40] <seele> eek, phone.. keep on typing and i'll get to it eventually
[18:41] <Artemis_Fowl> just a couple of things more
[18:41] <Artemis_Fowl> if an entry is the first or last in the list
[18:42] <Artemis_Fowl> the corresponding move arrow gets disabled. should I provide a tooltip there saying something like
[18:42] <Artemis_Fowl> this is the top entry you obviously cannot move it?
[18:43] <Artemis_Fowl> plus, you wanted a better makeactive description but I have no idea what to provide there other than the description I already provide
[18:44] <Artemis_Fowl> I actually have no idea when makeactive should be used
[18:44] <gnomefreak> why would i need dist-upgrade to update kdelibs5?
[18:47] <Arby> apachelogger: what were you saying this morning about backports needed doing?
[18:48] <jjesse> question just updated my intrepid vm and upon startup i'm seeting "no greeter widget plugin loaded.  Check the configuration"
[18:48] <jjesse> any ideas?
[18:49] <jjesse> there is an "OK" and when I click it, i'm dumped back to the text login
[18:49] <Artemis_Fowl> check kdm
[18:50] <jjesse> Artemis_Fowl: what am i looking for w/ kdm?
[18:53] <jjesse> Artemis_Fowl: is it kdm-kde4 or should it just be kdm? for intrepid
[18:54] <jjesse> Artemis_Fowl: what exactly should i be checking w/ KDM?
[18:54] <jjesse> and is it kdm-kde4 or kdm now ?
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> it should be kdm by now
[18:58] <jjesse> hrm wonder if that was a problem, it was a dist-upgrade from hardy
[18:59] <_Artemis_Fowl_> check if kdm is installed
[18:59] <jjesse> failed to load wallpaper "/usr/lib/kde4/share/wallpapers/EOS/contents/images/1600x1200.jpg
[19:00] <jjesse> sudo apt-get install kdm will remove kdm-kde4
[19:00] <_Artemis_Fowl_> you have KDE4 installed, right?
[19:00] <jjesse> yeah it was an upgrade from hardy-remix
[19:00] <_Artemis_Fowl_> what's the state of kdm-kde4? installed?
[19:01] <jjesse> yes it was installed and is now removing when i install kdm
[19:01] <_Artemis_Fowl_> dont
[19:01] <_Artemis_Fowl_> we need kdm-kde4
[19:01] <_Artemis_Fowl_> i personally would just "sudo dpkg --reconfigure kdm-kde4"
[19:02] <_Artemis_Fowl_> but im no xpert
[19:02] <jjesse> interesting
[19:02] <jjesse> now kdm-kde4 is now broken or not fully installed
[19:07] <_Artemis_Fowl_> seele: unfortunately I have to go. we'll talk about the above issues tomorrow
[19:28] <apachelogger> Arby: Riddell was starting to backport the packages for hardy earlier on
[19:28] <apachelogger> I don't know how far he got though
[19:28] <Arby> ok, he's gone now so it'll have to wait
[19:28] <Arby> anything else need doing?
[19:29]  * JontheEchidna is also free for a bit
[19:29] <apachelogger> Arby: do you have anything up on revu?
[19:29] <Arby> apachelogger: nope
[19:29] <apachelogger> hm
[19:29] <apachelogger> anyway
[19:30] <apachelogger> Arby: you could revu JontheEchidna's plasmoid uploads
[19:30] <Arby> apachelogger: how do I do a review?
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> Ooh, yeah. I packaged a new one this morning that still needs to be reviewed
[19:30] <Arby> is it documented somewhere
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=plasmoid-quickaccess
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> Just be sure to run kbuildsycoca4 after installing it so it shows up in the add widgets list
[19:31] <apachelogger> Arby: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews
[19:31] <apachelogger> hm, quite long description
[19:32] <Arby> I thought reviews were only done by motu anyway?
[19:32] <apachelogger> well, only motus can advocate
[19:32] <apachelogger> but reviewing is now possible for everyone with revu account
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: What happens after my packages get advocated?
[19:32] <Arby> better get one of those first then
[19:33] <apachelogger> Arby: did you ever upload to revu?
[19:33] <Arby> no
[19:33] <Arby> never used it at all
[19:33] <apachelogger> indeed then you first need an account :)
[19:33] <apachelogger> see ubuntu wiki page about REVU
[19:33] <Arby> looking now
[19:34] <seele> Artemis: re: first item of a list doesn't need a tooltip
[19:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: 2 advocates are necessary, then a motu uploads the package ... which gets stuck in new queue, considering it s a new one, then an archive admins checks that licensing is ok (i.e. all necessary licenses are available and the source files have a proper license header, and of course whether it links against stuff it should link against ... e.g GPL software linked against openssl)
[19:35] <seele> Artemis: should we just remove the makeactive option since we don't know what it does?  and just leave it as whatever default
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> ooh, lots happens once it gets advocated...
[19:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if the archive admin is happy, they give their ok for publishing .. packages gets built
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> cool
[19:36] <apachelogger> if they are not - the package gets rejected and you have to take care that the issues get resolved
[19:36] <apachelogger> then everything starts from the beginning
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> Currently I'm waiting on two plasmoids for including the GPL
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> I'v ehad good luck in the past with resolving licensing with plasmoids, so hopefully it shouldn't take long
[19:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are they part of playgorund in svn?
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: one of them might be
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> plasmoid-previewer
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> I don't think the amarok controller one is
[19:39]  * JontheEchidna checks
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> yup, previewer is in playground
[19:39] <apachelogger> hm
[19:40]  * apachelogger is actually wondering how they do releases from playground at all
[19:40] <apachelogger> ryanakca: http://www.kubuntu-tr.org/ ends up in the big commercial void
[19:41] <Arby> apachelogger: question time
[19:41] <Arby> apachelogger: 1. what is a Elgamal key?
[19:42] <Arby> 2. it seems I can only get a password if I upload something, since I have nothing to upload this is a problem
[19:42] <apachelogger> Arby: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElGamal_encryption
[19:42] <apachelogger> Arby: true
[19:42] <Arby> is there a way around this?
[19:42] <apachelogger> Arby: you could talk to a revu admin
[19:42] <apachelogger> or just give feedback on irc
[19:43] <Arby> that I can do
[19:44] <Daskreech> hi taupter
[19:45] <taupter> Daskreech: Heya
[19:47] <Arby> ok having read the wiki pages I don't think I know enough to do reviews, sorry
[19:54] <apachelogger> Arby: you know how packaging works, right?
[19:55] <jpds> Arby: You require a revu admin?
[19:55] <Arby> apachelogger: I know how to build them, but nothing about licensing and poilicy etc
[19:55] <apachelogger> Arby: well, revu what you feel able to revu ;-)
[19:55] <Arby> jpds: no, apachelogger is trying to teach me how to do it
[19:55]  * apachelogger hands jpds a cookie
[19:56] <jpds> Arby: Ah, you _have_ to upload a package to get an account and thus a password.
[19:56]  * jpds takes apachelogger's cookie.
[19:56] <Arby> jpds: so I've jsut discovered
[19:56]  * apachelogger points out that Arby should grab some stuff from kde-apps an get packaging 
[19:56] <apachelogger> ah
[19:57] <apachelogger> Arby: extragear updates are also on the todo actually
[19:57] <jpds> Arby: I thought you had packages on revu?
[19:57] <Arby> apachelogger: most sensible thing you've said all night
[19:57] <Arby> jpds: no, never used it
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> *-look and *app.org are down, btw
[19:57] <apachelogger> ok
[19:58]  * apachelogger rsyncs extragear for packaging
[19:58] <Arby> apachelogger: where are the extragear things, I was looking earlier and didn't see them
[19:58] <Arby> or I can do apps, whatever you think is more pressing
[19:59] <jpds> Arby: Join: https://edge.launchpad.net/~revu-uploaders if you wish to upload packages.
[19:59] <jpds> ..to REVU
[20:00] <Arby> next time I have something to upload I will
[20:02] <jpds> OK, if you need the keyring synced, just leave me a message.
[20:02] <apachelogger> jpds: you are revu admin nowadays?
[20:02] <jpds> apachelogger: Have been for some time.
[20:02] <Arby> that's handy to know
[20:02] <apachelogger> cool
[20:05]  * apachelogger is wondering where Riddell really uploaded the stuff to
[20:05] <apachelogger> definitly not k-m-kde4
[20:05] <jpds> hardy-backports?
[20:06] <apachelogger> nope
[20:06] <apachelogger> very strange
[20:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, hoestly ... considering KDE renamed kdeplasmoid to kdeplasma-applets, we probably should name the plasmoid packages to plasma-applet-foobar ;-)
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> *facepalm*
[20:09] <jpds> kde-plasma-applet
[20:09] <apachelogger> jpds: that is getting a bit longish ;-)
[20:09] <apachelogger> kde-plasma-applet-weather
[20:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I would suggest section kde for plasmoids
[20:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and please use KDE 4 rather than KDE4
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> ok
[20:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: plasmoid-weather is missing the author's email address
[20:11] <apachelogger> please add it and change the other stuff stated above
[20:11] <apachelogger> then it's ready for upload
[20:12] <apachelogger> or
[20:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: better don't
[20:12] <apachelogger> vorian: are you around?
[20:12] <apachelogger> apparently not
[20:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I will do the changes, otherwise we have to wait for a 2nd ack again ;-)
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> ok, thanks
[20:17] <apachelogger> hm
[20:18]  * apachelogger is quite tired
[20:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why is wifi not available on the server?
[20:20] <apachelogger> Newest version on remote site is 0.3, local version is 0.5.
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> my guess is that he stopped mirroring it there
[20:24] <apachelogger> hm
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> I grabbed the source from kde-look, then added the watch file later
[20:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: either get him to do it again, which is of course prefered... or remove the watch file
[20:25]  * apachelogger needs food
[20:30]  * JontheEchidna would rather just remove the watch file
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: would it be possible for you to do that to avoid a reupload?
[20:46] <nixternal> I need a new job getting paid to work on Kubuntu and KDE all day
[20:47] <nixternal> this working on CentOS crap and wasting all of my community time is draining on the soul :)
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what happened to the weather package? It disappeared from revu and the mailing list is busted.
[20:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I archived it
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> oh, ok
[21:00]  * Arby curses broken chroots
[21:00] <Arby> anybody got any idea what's going on here http://paste.ubuntu.com/27342/
[21:00] <Arby> dbus seems to be having a fit
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> http://elcugo.deviantart.com/art/Klippy-89868684
[21:06] <NCommander> vorian, ping
[21:07] <Arby> got it, failure to mount /var/run/dbus apparently
[21:15] <Xand3r> hey i go to bed, good night, and sleep well
[22:06] <yuriy> debdiff attached to bug 183989
[22:09] <ryanakca> apachelogger: That's under support?
[22:11] <apachelogger> ryanakca: es
[22:11] <apachelogger> *yes
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: So what do I need to do with the plasmoids now?
[22:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: mail upstream to push the tarballs to the server again
[22:14] <Daskreech> apachelogger: is there a difference between KDE 4 and KDE4 ?
[22:14] <apachelogger> or wait util I don't almost fall asleep and let me upload without watch ;-)
[22:14] <apachelogger> Daskreech: one is used in all the packages and the other is not
[22:14] <Daskreech> ah
[22:15]  * JontheEchidna considers putting a clock on his desktop with eurotime
[22:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ask Nightrose she is like obsessed with clocks
[22:15] <Daskreech> Put a clock AS your desktop :)
[22:15] <apachelogger> her whole desktop is filled up with them
[22:15] <Nightrose> haha
[22:15] <Nightrose> LIES!
[22:16] <Nightrose> don't believe anything he says
[22:16] <Nightrose> it is only 5 clocks!
[22:16] <apachelogger> it is an addiction
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> dang, it's impossible to find what country you want in the clock settings...
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> they should just let you pick a goddamn timezone
[22:17] <Nightrose> +1
[22:17] <Daskreech> 5 >types< of clocks
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> or at least let you filter
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> or sort by columns
[22:18] <Nightrose> Daskreech: nah - 5 times the same clock in different time zones
[22:18] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:18] <Nightrose> two for america, one for uk, one local and one australia
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: what city are you using for uk?
[22:18] <Nightrose> london
[22:19] <JontheEchidna> thx
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, they should really center the timezone name too
[22:21]  * JontheEchidna thinks he'll open up a few bug reports at kde
[22:26] <ryanakca> apachelogger: fixed :)
[22:26] <apachelogger> ryanakca: btw, love the new site
[22:28]  * jpds wonders if he still has his powers on the site.
[22:29] <ryanakca> apachelogger: thanks :)
[22:29] <ryanakca> jpds: no
[22:29] <jpds> ryanakca: I feel loved :(
[22:30] <ryanakca> jpds: and even if you did, the admin site is password protected
[22:30] <jpds> ryanakca: Smart.
[23:06] <vorian> apachelogger: JontheEchidna pong!
[23:06] <vorian> has anyone worked on extragear?
[23:07] <Arby> vorian: just making a start
[23:07] <Arby> been fighting a troublesome chroot
[23:08] <vorian> :(
[23:08] <vorian> coolio, which package?
[23:08] <Arby> it's OK I won the fight :)
[23:08] <vorian> I don't want to duplicate work
[23:08] <Arby> just building kcoloredit now
[23:08] <vorian> \o/
[23:08] <vorian> alrighty
[23:09] <vorian> Arby: do you know if anyone esle has been working on them
[23:10] <vorian> like JontheEchidna or xand3r?
[23:10] <Arby> not that I'm aware of
[23:10] <vorian> alrighty
[23:11]  * vorian gets to work
[23:14] <Arby> vorian: you're motu right, can you upload extragear packages?
[23:14] <vorian> yep
[23:14] <Arby> hmm, I'll have to file a bug to put the files up
[23:14] <Arby> I really should get a server
[23:14] <vorian> Arby: do you have your ppa set up?
[23:15] <Arby> no, I tried and failed
[23:15] <vorian> :(
[23:15] <vorian> on your dput.cf?
[23:15] <Arby> it was a while ago now
[23:16] <Arby> i got all sorts of issues with version clashes in the archive etc
[23:16] <vorian> :(
[23:17] <Arby> vorian: do you want a debdiff or the .dsc, .diff.gz etc?
[23:18] <vorian> i'll need the debdiff & diff.gz for new upstream
[23:19] <vorian> or you can upload it to revu
[23:19] <Arby> that's a good idea, I need to get a review account anyway
[23:19]  * vorian needs to configure mutt
[23:20] <vorian> ut oh
[23:20] <vorian> Arby: just attatch them to your bug report
[23:20] <Arby> ok
[23:20] <vorian> thanks!
[23:21] <Arby> vorian: I aways get this wrong, debdiff new.dsc old.dsc >file
[23:21] <Arby> is that right?
[23:21] <vorian> old new
[23:21] <Arby> dammit
[23:22] <vorian> old new > new.diff
[23:22] <vorian> or debdiff rather
[23:22] <Arby> I always get it the wrong way round :)
[23:22] <vorian> :)
[23:23] <vorian> nixternal: ping me when you are about, guidance-power-manager is done
[23:28] <Arby> vorian: bug 248542
[23:28] <vorian> thanks :)
[23:28] <Arby> I'll do kfax next if you haven't started it
[23:29] <vorian> go right ahead :)
[23:31] <Arby> hmm, what does E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_intrepid_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) mean?
[23:32] <Arby> archive is broken or sources.list is broken
[23:33] <vorian> update your pbuilder
[23:33] <vorian> sudo pbuilder update
[23:33] <Arby> oops
[23:47] <Arby> vorian: kfax done, bug 248547
[23:48] <Arby> that's all I have time for right now
[23:48] <Arby> I'll do some more tomorrow if there's any outstanding
[23:49] <vorian> Thanks for your help arby :)
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> vorian: you called?