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smallfoot-anyone running alpha2 without any problems whatsoever?00:55
smallfoot-anyone experience that alpha2 work better than 8.04 stable?00:55
teamcobranot quite yet ;p ;p00:55
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alexur1When i run update-manager -d to get 8.10 it tries to upgrade to 8.04 which im already on so then it fails. when i click upgrade in update manager it shows the release notes for 8.0401:26
alexur1but update manager is saying 8.10 is available01:26
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ASULutzyThere's no more compiz-config-settings-manager in Intrepid?02:45
RAOFSeems to work here.02:47
ASULutzyAh, there's a simple-ccsm02:47
ASULutzyOh I'm just dumb, compizconfig-settings-manager... I thought it used to have hyphens between each...02:49
ASULutzyNow if only enabling compiz didn't make my machine explode...02:51
DanaGI once tried Compiz on a system with a 32-meg GeForce [called-a-4-but-is-really-a-2] Go, with only 256 megs of system RAM.02:56
DanaGNeedless to say... it didn't work too well.02:56
DanaGI am in [your] video driver, eatingz all yer RAM.02:57
DanaG(I refuse to type like a moron, "ur".)02:57
DanaGOh yeah, I keep seeing references to "NV50" -- what the heck is NV50?02:59
DanaGI know I have a G73... but NV-what?  I haven't a **** clue.02:59
RAOFHeh.03:01
RAOFnv5x == G80/90 == GeForce 8/903:01
RAOFnv4x == Geforce 6/7.03:02
RAOFnv3x == Geforce 4.03:02
ASULutzyYikes that's really bad... Doing compiz --replace makes my machine fail pretty hard... Keyboard stopped responding and had to vulcan nerve pinch it.03:02
RAOFnvidia numbering sucks.03:02
ASULutzyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5380848 someone in the channel said this was already a known bug but didn't provide a link... Just wanted to make sure. (This is a regression, as compiz worked in Hardy and in Intrepid alpha 1, the person in the channel said this was a problem with mesa and not with compiz, but again just wanted to make sure)03:03
RAOFIf it's all white, that's mesa.  Or, I think, the intel drivers in particular.03:05
ASULutzyYea, it goes white, and then if I run compiz --replace from a terminal I can push ctrl+c to get it to go back to metacity, but then my keyboard stops responding... Pushing caps lock still toggles the light, but no apps respond to my keyboard anymore and I have to nerve pinch it03:07
ASULutzyRAOF: This is a known regression/bug?03:07
RAOFYes.03:08
ASULutzyRAOF: Thanks... I hope the people in charge of the intel driver don't change it too much... I'm bummed because compiz doesn't work anymore, but the S-video on my laptop finally works... It's always something ;)03:10
jonpackardCould anyone with an NVidia card please help me confirm this bug? It affects Alpha1 and Alpha2 using the nv driver. Bug 245383.03:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 245383 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Screen flickers when loading applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24538303:28
Sonicadvance1With the latest kernel, the Usb input struct has changed which makes the xpad360 module not compile correctlyl. Anyone have any information on this?03:29
Sonicadvancewoops, restarted my desktop03:37
ShoopufIf I have a question about the new Ibex theme "NewWave" would this be the place to ask about it?03:56
ShoopufWith the NewWave theme I noticed that sometimes the "title bar" flashes to white then back to the original dark-gray color.03:57
RAOFThat sounds like a long-standing nvidia bug with compiz.  Is it?03:58
ShoopufRAOF: Sounds about right, I *am* using both Nvidia and Compiz-Fusion. :X04:00
ShoopufRAOF: Should I file a bug report? :P04:03
RAOFShoopuf: No, it's (a) known, and (b) nvidia's problem.04:06
Shoopufok :) thanks for the answers RAOF...04:07
smallfoot-make so i can rename device volume label on partition - http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3985/labelab6.png04:56
teethdoodoff topic, but I'm running wires for a gigabit network. Should I get cat5e or be safe and get cat6?05:18
fr500cat605:25
teethdoodok I'm gonna need to take out another business loan then05:27
fr500is firefox crashing when saving files for anyone else?05:50
nekostarhey does the 8.10 kubuntu have the kde4?05:50
RAOFYes.05:51
nekostarfr500 change your theme05:51
fr500nekostar: firefox theme?05:52
nekostargnome theme05:52
s3acan i do good bug reports (other than kernel stuff since its a vm) in virtualbox-ose by mounting the .iso of the 8.10 alpha2?06:17
jonpackards3a: Yes! Ubuntu needs to run in VMs too! If it doesn't we need to know about it. =)06:20
jonpackardalso.. I think you'll find a lot of people bug test in VMs.. snapshots are extremely handy06:20
s3ak, good :), cuz to be honest i want to contribute but dont want to 1)boot in an unstable environment 2)waste discs06:21
s3awats the latest?06:22
s3aalpha2?06:22
jonpackardyep06:22
s3ak, wait06:22
s3aim searching for it06:22
s3ak, i got it06:22
s3ai think06:22
jonpackardi had problems with the 2.6.26-3-generic kernel in virtualbox.. see bug 246067.. the kernel from Alpha1 (2.6.26-3-generic) worked fine for the most part06:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 246067 in linux "Kernel panic during boot after upgrading to kernel 2.6.26.3-generic" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24606706:24
s3aomg live cd isnt out yet06:24
s3aits coming in alpha306:24
s3aand im just curious since im studying python atm, can i develop the ubuntu OS with python or only apps for it?06:25
jonpackardlots of programs are written in python.. mother front ends for user programs06:25
jonpackarder mostly.. not mother06:25
jonpackardi think it's time for me to go to bed LOL06:26
s3alol06:26
s3ai no the feeling cuz recently i mistook the firefox logo for a heart06:26
jonpackardmost of the system is written in C/C++06:26
s3ao that suks then for me cuz im not planning to go there yet06:27
s3acuz its harder06:27
jonpackardpython is awesome though =)06:27
s3aya its good so far for me :)06:27
s3aanyway, i have to get back to downloading the alpha 2 and studying python06:27
SonicadvanceC/C++ isn't really hard. :P06:27
s3awell i guess ill worry about that next summer vacation06:29
s3ai rely want a quad core06:29
s3alol but thats another topic06:29
SonicadvanceGo with Intel unless AMD pulls something out of nowhere06:30
s3aya i no im planning to get a q6600 but ill get it next year by then octa cores should make that cpu soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cheap06:30
teethdoodinteresting how 2 years ago AMD was kicking Intel's ass06:30
s3aand intels octas will have hyper threading06:31
SonicadvanceYes, but the Core 2 architecture wastes AMD06:31
s3awell actually06:31
s3aif amd had much higher clock speeds06:31
s3aand under 64 bit06:31
s3ait would beat core 2 quads of the same clock frequency06:31
s3abut there isnt no super high clocked amd x4 so thats not the case06:32
s3ai read that06:32
Sonicadvancea Intel quad compiles the linux kernel in about 1/4 the time my phenom does06:32
s3aand btw is there a .torrent for the alpha2?06:32
s3aSonicadvance: are u a 64 bit user?06:33
jonpackards3a: So the stipulation there is that a Phenom X4 CPU at Clockspeed X is equal to a Core 2 Quad at clock speed X?06:33
Sonicadvanceyes06:33
s3ajonpackard: no06:33
s3ajonpackard: im not sure honestly but all i no is in the high clock frequencies thats wen amd will win but they dont have any high clocked x4s so its not a real life statement im making06:33
s3awell its not my statement anyway06:34
s3aits this site's06:34
SonicadvanceI've never heard about this news06:34
jonpackardahh i see.. it's all theoretical that if all the clock speeds jumped up a few notches the Phenom would start to whup arse :)06:34
s3aya it would win against a intel at high clock but not at low clocks wen they both have same clock, it must have to do with some kind of memory stuff or multiplications or wtv, i dont wanna say more in case i say wrong things06:35
jonpackardI like AMD.. I hope they can pull ahead of the core 2 quads soon.. pehaps the Phenom X3 can beat a Core 2 Duo in the same price range.. not everybody can afford a Core 2 Quad =)06:36
Sonicadvancemight as well as go with a Phenom X4 since it's not much more expensive06:41
s3ajonpackard: well u cant say that about the q660006:41
s3aq600 is 209$ canadian last time i checked06:42
s3aand im downloading the alpha2 torrent on my laptop it should be done by tomorrow06:42
tanathmy upgrade to intrepid failed because of this: postalias: fatal: open /etc/aliases: Permission denied07:22
tanathupgrading postfix07:23
tanath-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 64 2006-03-17 16:40 /etc/aliases07:23
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Hondo_KitsuneSo... this is the channel for 8.1010:30
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ramviI'm customizing the livecd with the help of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization . I try to start gnome to do changes from there, with /etc/init.d/gdm start (howto in the comments), but what is the username and the password?12:51
Hobbseeubuntu, iirc12:52
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chattanI can't login in Ubuntu 8.10 alpha 2 which i use VMware install, any1 help me ,thanks a lot13:42
coz_hey guys16:26
coz_tried intrepid but kept getting error that greeter is crashing16:26
Hobbseeyes, it keeps doing that.16:26
coz_Hobbsee, oh my.. well I guess I will try again next week then :)16:27
coz_is    autodetec for wacom tablets planned for intrepid??16:28
coz_autodetect16:29
jacobaside from the current mesa/compiz incompatibility, does anyone notice some really strange 3D/accelerated 2D behavior, such as the framebuffer being stuck to the screen?16:33
coz_jacob,  mm I havent even been able to boot into intrepid yet :)16:38
jacobcoz_: did you install from the alpha image(s)? you might want to drop to recovery mode and apply all updates16:38
coz_jacob, i did that  as well and still no boot  however  I was just testing last night so its no big deal at this point16:39
jacobcoz_: i *thought* i saw that was fixed, but it might be still happening, idk :P16:39
coz_jacob, here the  greeter keeps crashing so..16:39
jacobcoz_: i'm guessing it has to do with bug 24588816:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 245888 in mesa "Intrepid, on latest updates (mesa updates - 7.1~rc1-0ubuntu1), compiz no longer works and gives white screen on login" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24588816:41
coz_reading16:41
coz_jacob, no surprising :)  alpha can be a pain  sometimes16:43
coz_:)16:43
jacobaye16:44
jacobfor whatever reason i decided to run nautilus as root yesterday and somehow managed to spawn gnome-session.... bad idea.16:44
coz_o016:44
jacobended up with / chmod'd 700... couldn't login or execute anything16:44
jacobgave the visual effect of rm dash rf slash, the dialogs lost their font rendering and everything was boxes :P16:45
coz_well during these interums between versions  I am running austrumi, a  slackware based  OS that runs in memory,  it also has a minimal compiz fusion,,,it tides me over until things start working again :)16:46
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jacob:P i'm just running an intrepid/hardy dual boot16:46
coz_jacob, ah  yeah i should have done that actually but I have dual boot with xp  so right now i can only run austrumi because grub is gone at this point16:47
towolfhi ppl, i dist-upgraded to intrepid and now many devices are listed twice or more in the diverse gnome applets: battery, NICs, audio cards17:09
towolfhow come, why is hal reporting the devices more than once?17:09
gnomefreakif thats his only issue hhould be extreamly happy18:41
pheerorHas .26 made it to intrepid yet?19:54
* pheeror would have to start up his laptop to find out himself19:54
seisenyes it has19:55
seisen2.6.26.319:55
pheeroreh19:55
pheerorit's probably 2.6.26-319:56
seisenprobably19:57
pheerorand it's still based on rc, no problem though19:58
Calvinwould someone please tell me about using ubuntu, does it take over your computer and what are the advantages of using ubuntu?21:21
lamalex_2Ubuntu does not teach patience unfortunately :(21:24
siouxhi :-)21:32
jbroomelamalex_2: are you kidding, have you been in #ubuntu? :)21:33
siouxdevelopers.... intrepid will be delivered with last saa7134 driver?21:34
siouxhardy still use a old state of saa7134... many new board are been added21:36
daekdroomsioux: Is saa7134 part of linux kernel? If so, it'll deliver the lastest.21:38
lamalex_2jbroome: NEVER.21:39
sioux2.6.25 yes21:39
daekdroomUbuntu Intrepid is using 2.6.26rc(x)21:40
daekdroomI think rc921:40
siouxhere i had reconfigure a custom kernel21:40
siouxi use hadry with 2.6.25.621:41
daekdroomHardy doesn't get updates like from a module version to other one when Final is released.21:41
daekdroomThat's why it doesn't deliver the lastest saa713421:41
siouxalso gspcav1 should be nice21:43
siouxbut that is not part of linux kernel21:44
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coz_I try to boot and get stopped at (initramfs)  is it expecting me to do something?23:03
daekdroomcoz_, I think that means your system is broken23:12
coz_daekdroom, :)   yes it appears that is true  what I have been doing is simply typing "exit" then it looks for files for boot and then of course I get  greeter crashing still :)23:14
coz_oops23:14
coz_daekdroom,   yes  I type "exit" then it proceeds23:14

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