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[00:55] <smallfoot-> anyone running alpha2 without any problems whatsoever?
[00:55] <smallfoot-> anyone experience that alpha2 work better than 8.04 stable?
[00:55] <teamcobra> not quite yet ;p ;p
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[01:26] <alexur1> When i run update-manager -d to get 8.10 it tries to upgrade to 8.04 which im already on so then it fails. when i click upgrade in update manager it shows the release notes for 8.04
[01:26] <alexur1> but update manager is saying 8.10 is available
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[02:45] <ASULutzy> There's no more compiz-config-settings-manager in Intrepid?
[02:47] <RAOF> Seems to work here.
[02:47] <ASULutzy> Ah, there's a simple-ccsm
[02:49] <ASULutzy> Oh I'm just dumb, compizconfig-settings-manager... I thought it used to have hyphens between each...
[02:51] <ASULutzy> Now if only enabling compiz didn't make my machine explode...
[02:56] <DanaG> I once tried Compiz on a system with a 32-meg GeForce [called-a-4-but-is-really-a-2] Go, with only 256 megs of system RAM.
[02:56] <DanaG> Needless to say... it didn't work too well.
[02:57] <DanaG> I am in [your] video driver, eatingz all yer RAM.
[02:57] <DanaG> (I refuse to type like a moron, "ur".)
[02:59] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I keep seeing references to "NV50" -- what the heck is NV50?
[02:59] <DanaG> I know I have a G73... but NV-what?  I haven't a **** clue.
[03:01] <RAOF> Heh.
[03:01] <RAOF> nv5x == G80/90 == GeForce 8/9
[03:02] <RAOF> nv4x == Geforce 6/7.
[03:02] <RAOF> nv3x == Geforce 4.
[03:02] <ASULutzy> Yikes that's really bad... Doing compiz --replace makes my machine fail pretty hard... Keyboard stopped responding and had to vulcan nerve pinch it.
[03:02] <RAOF> nvidia numbering sucks.
[03:03] <ASULutzy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5380848 someone in the channel said this was already a known bug but didn't provide a link... Just wanted to make sure. (This is a regression, as compiz worked in Hardy and in Intrepid alpha 1, the person in the channel said this was a problem with mesa and not with compiz, but again just wanted to make sure)
[03:05] <RAOF> If it's all white, that's mesa.  Or, I think, the intel drivers in particular.
[03:07] <ASULutzy> Yea, it goes white, and then if I run compiz --replace from a terminal I can push ctrl+c to get it to go back to metacity, but then my keyboard stops responding... Pushing caps lock still toggles the light, but no apps respond to my keyboard anymore and I have to nerve pinch it
[03:07] <ASULutzy> RAOF: This is a known regression/bug?
[03:08] <RAOF> Yes.
[03:10] <ASULutzy> RAOF: Thanks... I hope the people in charge of the intel driver don't change it too much... I'm bummed because compiz doesn't work anymore, but the S-video on my laptop finally works... It's always something ;)
[03:28] <jonpackard> Could anyone with an NVidia card please help me confirm this bug? It affects Alpha1 and Alpha2 using the nv driver. Bug 245383.
[03:28] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 245383 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Screen flickers when loading applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245383
[03:29] <Sonicadvance1> With the latest kernel, the Usb input struct has changed which makes the xpad360 module not compile correctlyl. Anyone have any information on this?
[03:37] <Sonicadvance> woops, restarted my desktop
[03:56] <Shoopuf> If I have a question about the new Ibex theme "NewWave" would this be the place to ask about it?
[03:57] <Shoopuf> With the NewWave theme I noticed that sometimes the "title bar" flashes to white then back to the original dark-gray color.
[03:58] <RAOF> That sounds like a long-standing nvidia bug with compiz.  Is it?
[04:00] <Shoopuf> RAOF: Sounds about right, I *am* using both Nvidia and Compiz-Fusion. :X
[04:03] <Shoopuf> RAOF: Should I file a bug report? :P
[04:06] <RAOF> Shoopuf: No, it's (a) known, and (b) nvidia's problem.
[04:07] <Shoopuf> ok :) thanks for the answers RAOF...
[04:56] <smallfoot-> make so i can rename device volume label on partition - http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3985/labelab6.png
[05:18] <teethdood> off topic, but I'm running wires for a gigabit network. Should I get cat5e or be safe and get cat6?
[05:25] <fr500> cat6
[05:27] <teethdood> ok I'm gonna need to take out another business loan then
[05:50] <fr500> is firefox crashing when saving files for anyone else?
[05:50] <nekostar> hey does the 8.10 kubuntu have the kde4?
[05:51] <RAOF> Yes.
[05:51] <nekostar> fr500 change your theme
[05:52] <fr500> nekostar: firefox theme?
[05:52] <nekostar> gnome theme
[06:17] <s3a> can i do good bug reports (other than kernel stuff since its a vm) in virtualbox-ose by mounting the .iso of the 8.10 alpha2?
[06:20] <jonpackard> s3a: Yes! Ubuntu needs to run in VMs too! If it doesn't we need to know about it. =)
[06:20] <jonpackard> also.. I think you'll find a lot of people bug test in VMs.. snapshots are extremely handy
[06:21] <s3a> k, good :), cuz to be honest i want to contribute but dont want to 1)boot in an unstable environment 2)waste discs
[06:22] <s3a> wats the latest?
[06:22] <s3a> alpha2?
[06:22] <jonpackard> yep
[06:22] <s3a> k, wait
[06:22] <s3a> im searching for it
[06:22] <s3a> k, i got it
[06:22] <s3a> i think
[06:24] <jonpackard> i had problems with the 2.6.26-3-generic kernel in virtualbox.. see bug 246067.. the kernel from Alpha1 (2.6.26-3-generic) worked fine for the most part
[06:24] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 246067 in linux "Kernel panic during boot after upgrading to kernel 2.6.26.3-generic" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246067
[06:24] <s3a> omg live cd isnt out yet
[06:24] <s3a> its coming in alpha3
[06:25] <s3a> and im just curious since im studying python atm, can i develop the ubuntu OS with python or only apps for it?
[06:25] <jonpackard> lots of programs are written in python.. mother front ends for user programs
[06:25] <jonpackard> er mostly.. not mother
[06:26] <jonpackard> i think it's time for me to go to bed LOL
[06:26] <s3a> lol
[06:26] <s3a> i no the feeling cuz recently i mistook the firefox logo for a heart
[06:26] <jonpackard> most of the system is written in C/C++
[06:27] <s3a> o that suks then for me cuz im not planning to go there yet
[06:27] <s3a> cuz its harder
[06:27] <jonpackard> python is awesome though =)
[06:27] <s3a> ya its good so far for me :)
[06:27] <s3a> anyway, i have to get back to downloading the alpha 2 and studying python
[06:27] <Sonicadvance> C/C++ isn't really hard. :P
[06:29] <s3a> well i guess ill worry about that next summer vacation
[06:29] <s3a> i rely want a quad core
[06:29] <s3a> lol but thats another topic
[06:30] <Sonicadvance> Go with Intel unless AMD pulls something out of nowhere
[06:30] <s3a> ya i no im planning to get a q6600 but ill get it next year by then octa cores should make that cpu soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cheap
[06:30] <teethdood> interesting how 2 years ago AMD was kicking Intel's ass
[06:31] <s3a> and intels octas will have hyper threading
[06:31] <Sonicadvance> Yes, but the Core 2 architecture wastes AMD
[06:31] <s3a> well actually
[06:31] <s3a> if amd had much higher clock speeds
[06:31] <s3a> and under 64 bit
[06:31] <s3a> it would beat core 2 quads of the same clock frequency
[06:32] <s3a> but there isnt no super high clocked amd x4 so thats not the case
[06:32] <s3a> i read that
[06:32] <Sonicadvance> a Intel quad compiles the linux kernel in about 1/4 the time my phenom does
[06:32] <s3a> and btw is there a .torrent for the alpha2?
[06:33] <s3a> Sonicadvance: are u a 64 bit user?
[06:33] <jonpackard> s3a: So the stipulation there is that a Phenom X4 CPU at Clockspeed X is equal to a Core 2 Quad at clock speed X?
[06:33] <Sonicadvance> yes
[06:33] <s3a> jonpackard: no
[06:33] <s3a> jonpackard: im not sure honestly but all i no is in the high clock frequencies thats wen amd will win but they dont have any high clocked x4s so its not a real life statement im making
[06:34] <s3a> well its not my statement anyway
[06:34] <s3a> its this site's
[06:34] <Sonicadvance> I've never heard about this news
[06:34] <jonpackard> ahh i see.. it's all theoretical that if all the clock speeds jumped up a few notches the Phenom would start to whup arse :)
[06:35] <s3a> ya it would win against a intel at high clock but not at low clocks wen they both have same clock, it must have to do with some kind of memory stuff or multiplications or wtv, i dont wanna say more in case i say wrong things
[06:36] <jonpackard> I like AMD.. I hope they can pull ahead of the core 2 quads soon.. pehaps the Phenom X3 can beat a Core 2 Duo in the same price range.. not everybody can afford a Core 2 Quad =)
[06:41] <Sonicadvance> might as well as go with a Phenom X4 since it's not much more expensive
[06:41] <s3a> jonpackard: well u cant say that about the q6600
[06:42] <s3a> q600 is 209$ canadian last time i checked
[06:42] <s3a> and im downloading the alpha2 torrent on my laptop it should be done by tomorrow
[07:22] <tanath> my upgrade to intrepid failed because of this: postalias: fatal: open /etc/aliases: Permission denied
[07:23] <tanath> upgrading postfix
[07:23] <tanath> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 64 2006-03-17 16:40 /etc/aliases
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[10:30] <Hondo_Kitsune> So... this is the channel for 8.10
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[12:51] <ramvi> I'm customizing the livecd with the help of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization . I try to start gnome to do changes from there, with /etc/init.d/gdm start (howto in the comments), but what is the username and the password?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> ubuntu, iirc
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[13:42] <chattan> I can't login in Ubuntu 8.10 alpha 2 which i use VMware install, any1 help me ,thanks a lot
[16:26] <coz_> hey guys
[16:26] <coz_> tried intrepid but kept getting error that greeter is crashing
[16:26] <Hobbsee> yes, it keeps doing that.
[16:27] <coz_> Hobbsee, oh my.. well I guess I will try again next week then :)
[16:28] <coz_> is    autodetec for wacom tablets planned for intrepid??
[16:29] <coz_> autodetect
[16:33] <jacob> aside from the current mesa/compiz incompatibility, does anyone notice some really strange 3D/accelerated 2D behavior, such as the framebuffer being stuck to the screen?
[16:38] <coz_> jacob,  mm I havent even been able to boot into intrepid yet :)
[16:38] <jacob> coz_: did you install from the alpha image(s)? you might want to drop to recovery mode and apply all updates
[16:39] <coz_> jacob, i did that  as well and still no boot  however  I was just testing last night so its no big deal at this point
[16:39] <jacob> coz_: i *thought* i saw that was fixed, but it might be still happening, idk :P
[16:39] <coz_> jacob, here the  greeter keeps crashing so..
[16:40] <jacob> coz_: i'm guessing it has to do with bug 245888
[16:41] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 245888 in mesa "Intrepid, on latest updates (mesa updates - 7.1~rc1-0ubuntu1), compiz no longer works and gives white screen on login" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245888
[16:41] <coz_> reading
[16:43] <coz_> jacob, no surprising :)  alpha can be a pain  sometimes
[16:43] <coz_> :)
[16:44] <jacob> aye
[16:44] <jacob> for whatever reason i decided to run nautilus as root yesterday and somehow managed to spawn gnome-session.... bad idea.
[16:44] <coz_> o0
[16:44] <jacob> ended up with / chmod'd 700... couldn't login or execute anything
[16:45] <jacob> gave the visual effect of rm dash rf slash, the dialogs lost their font rendering and everything was boxes :P
[16:46] <coz_> well during these interums between versions  I am running austrumi, a  slackware based  OS that runs in memory,  it also has a minimal compiz fusion,,,it tides me over until things start working again :)
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[16:46] <jacob> :P i'm just running an intrepid/hardy dual boot
[16:47] <coz_> jacob, ah  yeah i should have done that actually but I have dual boot with xp  so right now i can only run austrumi because grub is gone at this point
[17:09] <towolf> hi ppl, i dist-upgraded to intrepid and now many devices are listed twice or more in the diverse gnome applets: battery, NICs, audio cards
[17:09] <towolf> how come, why is hal reporting the devices more than once?
[18:41] <gnomefreak> if thats his only issue hhould be extreamly happy
[19:54] <pheeror> Has .26 made it to intrepid yet?
[19:54]  * pheeror would have to start up his laptop to find out himself
[19:55] <seisen> yes it has
[19:55] <seisen> 2.6.26.3
[19:55] <pheeror> eh
[19:56] <pheeror> it's probably 2.6.26-3
[19:57] <seisen> probably
[19:58] <pheeror> and it's still based on rc, no problem though
[21:21] <Calvin> would someone please tell me about using ubuntu, does it take over your computer and what are the advantages of using ubuntu?
[21:24] <lamalex_2> Ubuntu does not teach patience unfortunately :(
[21:32] <sioux> hi :-)
[21:33] <jbroome> lamalex_2: are you kidding, have you been in #ubuntu? :)
[21:34] <sioux> developers.... intrepid will be delivered with last saa7134 driver?
[21:36] <sioux> hardy still use a old state of saa7134... many new board are been added
[21:38] <daekdroom> sioux: Is saa7134 part of linux kernel? If so, it'll deliver the lastest.
[21:39] <lamalex_2> jbroome: NEVER.
[21:39] <sioux> 2.6.25 yes
[21:40] <daekdroom> Ubuntu Intrepid is using 2.6.26rc(x)
[21:40] <daekdroom> I think rc9
[21:40] <sioux> here i had reconfigure a custom kernel
[21:41] <sioux> i use hadry with 2.6.25.6
[21:41] <daekdroom> Hardy doesn't get updates like from a module version to other one when Final is released.
[21:41] <daekdroom> That's why it doesn't deliver the lastest saa7134
[21:43] <sioux> also gspcav1 should be nice
[21:44] <sioux> but that is not part of linux kernel
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[23:03] <coz_> I try to boot and get stopped at (initramfs)  is it expecting me to do something?
[23:12] <daekdroom> coz_, I think that means your system is broken
[23:14] <coz_> daekdroom, :)   yes it appears that is true  what I have been doing is simply typing "exit" then it looks for files for boot and then of course I get  greeter crashing still :)
[23:14] <coz_> oops
[23:14] <coz_> daekdroom,   yes  I type "exit" then it proceeds