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[08:04] <Kano> hi, could somebody merge 2.6.26 final?
[08:58] <Liou> How can I know what symbols were exported by the kernel
[09:00] <Kano> usally when you see an error then they are not exported ;)
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[15:26] <Kano> hi BenC , did you see 2.6.26 final?
[15:28] <BenC> No, I'm completely oblivious to what goes on in the kernel world
[15:29] <Kano> then you know what i am waiting for already ;)
[15:29] <BenC> then you know that I'm not rushing just for you :)
[15:30] <Kano> well for all others too ;)
[15:31] <emma> Good morning, I would like to bring a certain kernel specific problem to the attention of someone with the expertise to elevate it to prominence.
[15:32] <emma> I myself have zero skills but I am friends with dozens of ubuntu users and many of them have begun to experience the same bug. Anecdotally I think it may be a problem that is making people migrate away from using Ubuntu.
[15:33] <amitk> emma: is there a bug number?
[15:33] <emma> Yes, I'll post it right now.
[15:34] <emma> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/228624
[15:36] <emma> People with this bug apparently can no longer use their optical drives which leaves them thinking Ubuntu is not a viable option for them. Usually they have a lot of regret for reaching that point, and they are concerned that this bug is unnoticed. 
[15:36] <emma> I really appreciate you taking a look. Thanks so much.
[15:41] <ln-> 12:36 < amitk> ln-: If you want JustWorks (TM), you have to either help during beta testing or get a s
[15:41] <ln-> upport contract. It is unrealistic to expect that a distribution will hit all your target usecases.
[15:45] <amitk> ln-: Testing early certainly helps. It is kinda hard to buy and test on all the hardware available out there :) On the other hand, sometimes it might be only a Ubuntu problem that needs to be looked into
[15:46] <amitk> emma: all_generic_ide=1 seems tosolve the problem for many, have you tried that?
[15:48] <emma> amitk: This isn't a problem that I personally have right now. But I will pass that along to the several people I know who have been talking about it.
[15:49] <amitk> emma: it also helps to know if this worked on other distros for them
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[15:52] <emma> I will find out and report back to you.
[15:55] <danutzu> hello
[15:55] <danutzu> please 
[15:55] <danutzu> help me
[15:55] <ln-> please express yourself with fewer newlines.
[15:56] <danutzu> my pidgin is closing when I'm joining the yahoo chat
[15:56] <danutzu> pleaseeee!!!!!
[15:57] <ln-> danutzu: what part of the kernel is responsible for yahoo chat, what do you think?
[15:57] <danutzu> I donw know man
[15:57] <danutzu> :|
[15:58] <danutzu> just help me to make pidgin yahoo to work
[15:58] <danutzu> please
[15:59] <danutzu> when I right my yahoo id and password an then when I push the save button the yahoo pidgin doesn't login :| he close himself:|
[15:59] <danutzu> please just tell me how do I make-it work
[16:00] <mjg59> danutzu: #ubuntu is a better place to ask this
[16:01] <danutzu> good
[16:01] <danutzu> thx
[16:24] <zbrown> amitk: hi :)
[16:25] <amitk> zbrown: hi
[16:25] <zbrown> I'm the person thats had issues with the dvd drive
[16:25] <zbrown> well one of many
[16:30] <amitk> ogasawara: hey, do you think 228624 should go onto the recommended list?
[16:31] <ogasawara> amitk: I was going to put it on there but it's not technically tested against intrepid yet
[16:33] <amitk> zbrown: ^ would you be bold enough to install the intrepid kernel?
[16:33] <zbrown> I was going to test with intrepid yesterday but the installer hung up twice on me
[16:33] <zbrown> amitk: on top of Gutsy?
[16:33] <zbrown> or does it really matter what release it is?
[16:33] <amitk> zbrown: on top of Gutsy isn't tested, but we're running the kernel on Hardy
[16:33] <zbrown> well Hardy isn't on the laptop anymore
[16:34] <Kano> BenC: is there a tag missing?
[16:34] <amitk> zbrown: it can matter... udev, hal, etc.
[16:35] <zbrown> amitk: would it work via installing Wubi?
[16:35] <zbrown> I have a windows partition on here
[16:36] <zbrown> I'm not willing to blow away gutsy and put hardy back on to test, its my only computer as I'm travelling for the summer
[16:36] <zbrown> but if wubi would work
[16:48] <amitk> zbrown: wubi install would work, install hardy and upgrade to a intrepid kernel
[16:48] <zbrown> amitk: hmmm ok, I'll see wwhat I can do
[16:48] <zbrown> amitk: hmmm is wubi going to fight with the standard grub boot loader?
[16:48] <zbrown> or am I just going to go through two boot loaders?
[16:49] <cking> zbrown: I believe it should be OK.
[16:50] <zbrown> ok
[16:50] <cking> zbrown: as long as you have enough space on your Windows NTFS partition it should be fairly straight forward
[16:51] <zbrown> cking: I've got plenty it looks like
[16:51] <zbrown> 40 gigs, with only 5 used
[16:51] <cking> zbrown: Cool. I think 4-6 GB free is plenty
[16:51] <zbrown> now if anl.gov would just be a faster mirror
[16:51] <cking> :)
[16:52] <zbrown> I dunno why it picks anl.gov over usc.edu
[16:52] <zbrown> I'm in LA... usc.edu is maybe 10 miles from me lol
[16:52] <zbrown> I'm not sure how far Google SMO is from usc
[16:54] <ogasawara> zbrown: after you've tested care to post another comment to the bug report
[16:54] <zbrown> sure
[16:54] <zbrown> good thing this wasn't yeseterday :)
[16:55] <zbrown> I was especially pissed yesterday
[17:00] <amitk> zbrown: yesterday was sunday :)
[17:00] <zbrown> indeed
[17:27] <zbrown> ogasawara: whats your preferred method for me to upgrde the kernel?
[17:27] <zbrown> upgrade the entire system or just go download the kernel?
[17:28] <ogasawara> zbrown: I'd try just upgrading the kernel
[17:30] <zbrown> ok
[17:42] <zbrown> hmmm apparently medibuntu is down for once
[17:42] <zbrown> curses
[17:44] <zbrown> ogasawara: same problem
[17:44] <zbrown> cking: and same problem
[17:47] <zbrown> cking: ogasawara: I've updated the bug with my results from dmesg
[18:08] <michi666> hi all, can anybody help my with usb driver programming?
[18:14] <amitk> michi666: this isn't the right channel for it. You shoul d try kerneljanitor or kernelnewbies.org or usb-devel
[18:19] <ajonat> Hi! when i do fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules-generic, i get that the target doesn't exist (binary-modules-generic).. what am I doing wrong? I'm compiling from hardy's git btw
[18:20] <ajonat> I'm following the KernelMaintaince and Kernel/Compile guides
[18:22] <ajonat> I've succesfully compiled binary-generic and binary-headers but binary-modules-generic doesn't seem to exist..
[18:23] <amitk> ajonat: what arch do you have installed?
[18:23] <Kano> ajonat: time debian/rules binary-debs flavours=generic
[18:23] <Kano> well use fakeroot ;)
[18:24] <ajonat> Kano, gonna try that :)
[18:24] <ajonat> Kano, that builds the image, headers and modules?
[18:24] <Kano> thats for lum
[18:25] <Kano> time debian/rules binary-debs flavours=generic skipabi=true skipmodule=true
[18:25] <Kano> time debian/rules binary-headers
[18:25] <Kano> thats for the kernel
[18:25] <ajonat> Kano, ok, thank you!
[18:26] <Kano> i use the skip overrides because i dislike stops when it is basically done ;)
[18:26] <ajonat> oh, and one more question? what does NOEXTRAS mean?
[18:27] <ajonat> can't find it in the docs
[18:29] <Kano> dont know what you mean,but to compile lum you have to install the kernel headers you compiled first
[18:35] <zbrown> Any likelihood of you guys updating the Madwifi drivers in Hardy? The current ones are too old to support the Atheros 5212 chipset properly
[18:35] <zbrown> can scan, but can't connect
[18:38] <amitk> zbrown: file a bug and QA will consider it for the next SRU
[18:39] <zbrown> amitk: hmmm ok, I think there's a big bug thats got several Ahteros chipsets listed as not working and wanting a madwifi update
[18:39] <zbrown> amitk: should I file an individual one for atherose 5212?
[18:39] <zbrown> I already posted to that bug saying that 5212 wasn't working either
[18:41] <amitk> zbrown: adding to that is fine
[18:42] <zbrown> amitk: ok, done then
[18:43] <zbrown> amitk: 122703 <-- thast the bug number
[18:47] <amitk> zbrown: it is unlikely to get fixed until madwifi.org releases a new version. It is hard to include directly from trunk while ensuring no regressions.
[18:47] <zbrown> hmmm
[18:47] <zbrown> amitk: thats doubtful to happen as they've mainly focused on ath5k which fails to build all together
[18:48] <zbrown> on Hardy
[18:48] <zbrown> or Gutsy
[18:48] <zbrown> (atherose 5212 is also broken in Feisty and Gutsy)
[18:48] <amitk> rtg: ^^^
[18:48] <zbrown> I have Gutsy on the laptop now and had to build my own drivers
[18:49] <zbrown> and a friend has the same laptop as I still running Feisty and he had to build madwifi himself as well
[18:49] <zbrown> amitk: "ath5k is a relatively new and emerging driver and does not depend on the HAL. It is intended to replace MadWifi in the long run and exceed it feature-wise. ath5k is where most of our development resources are spent on now." <-- from the madwifi site
[18:49] <zbrown> honestly something needs to change
[18:50] <zbrown> otherwise you're killing about 5 or 6 releases of atheros chipsets since ath5k isn't in the kernel
[18:50] <zbrown> and won't build with it
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[20:21] <pwnguin> http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/127218.html dave jones SMASH
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