[00:28] <emgent> newz2000: heya
[00:32] <emgent> newz2000: when have you time to fix moin issue you can, tell me when you complete this.
[00:32] <emgent> fix available on Bug #247612
[00:32] <ubot3> emgent: Bug 247612 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/247612 is private
[01:12] <emgent> Volans: heya
[01:12] <Volans> Hi emgent
[03:09] <newz2000> hi emgent. I will probably not be the person who applies the fix for this so I'll find out the same time as you when the bug is closed. That wiki is managed by the Canonical IS dept (though I do help manage its theme).
[03:13] <emgent> oh ok, np
[05:47] <pierrelourens> hello
[13:11] <flaccid> hey guys, after logging into the wiki, when i go t a subsequent page it seems my session is dropped and im logged out
[13:12] <flaccid> this happens with both Opera and konq and whether i sign in with OpenID or launchpad account
[13:15] <jpds> flaccid: That Q may have more response in #canonical-sysadmin. Sorry.
[13:15] <flaccid> np
[14:45] <newz2000> good morning
[14:46] <newz2000> flaccid: #c-s is a the right place to go, however you may need to give more of a hint which wiki you're referring to. (I suspect help.ubuntu.com/community)
[14:46] <flaccid> yes i did that newz2000
[14:47] <flaccid> apparently there is bugs on launchpad but nobody is respondin to doing something about it despite how critical it is
[14:48] <newz2000> flaccid: did any of the sysadmins respond to you?
[14:49] <flaccid> only to say [22:33] <emgent> flaccid: knowed issue.
[14:49] <flaccid> [22:36] <emgent> flaccid: if i remember well there are few bugs about it in LP
[14:54] <newz2000> ok, that person is not a sysadmin unfortunately
[14:54] <newz2000> I'll see if I can find out the best person to bring this to.
[14:56] <flaccid> thanks muchly
[15:11] <ryanakca> newz2000: would you know if it's possible to have Drupal revert to <x> date? I'm trying to figure out how to best setup my test site... I want to be able to mess with it, but if I mess up too much, I can revert it to it's original pristine state
[15:12] <newz2000> ryanakca: you can do that, you have to take periodic snapshots of your database to do that. When you want to revert, just restore the database.
[15:12] <newz2000> You can backup your database manually when you want a restore point...
[15:12] <newz2000> mysqldump -u username -p databasename > dump-2008-07-14-0001.sql
[15:13]  * ryanakca nods...it'll be a PITA for the sysadmins... better just to ask the sysadmins for a current snapshot of kubuntu.org and I can set it up here...
[15:13] <newz2000> then to restore just drop and recreate the database, then mysql -u username -p databasename < dump-2008-07-14-0001.sql
[15:13] <newz2000> ryanakca: I can do a db dump for you
[15:13] <flaccid> what kubuntu site(s) are drupal based?
[15:14] <ryanakca> flaccid: www.kubuntu.org
[15:14] <flaccid> what a waste
[15:14] <ryanakca> newz2000: please, thanks :)
[15:14] <newz2000> flaccid: ???
[15:14] <flaccid> i should shutup really
[15:14] <Volans> Hi newz2000, hi all :)
[15:15] <flaccid> sorry i have much higher standards
[15:15] <newz2000> flaccid: constructive criticism is ok
[15:15] <newz2000> just make sure its constructive
[15:15] <newz2000> Volans: howdy
[15:17] <flaccid> nah i'll just shutup. the truth is the site if fine and drupal is ok. im thinking now both for the desktop and matching website and ibex, new artwork is needed
[15:17] <ryanakca> newz2000: shall I refer those wanting to help with kubuntu.org to the ubuntu-website ML ?
[15:17] <ryanakca> Or should I ask NG for a kubuntu-website one?
[15:18] <newz2000> ryanakca: you are welcome to use the web presence team for kubuntu
[15:18] <ryanakca> (I've had a good dozen, two dozen people poke me over the past two months)
[15:18] <newz2000> ooh, that's cool
[15:18] <newz2000> if you think the joint effort will make things more productive then go for it
[15:18]  * ryanakca nods, I've lost track of most of them, so I want them all to join a ML so I can track them and try to coordinate it :)
[15:20] <flaccid> what i'd like to find out is the plan fr artwork for ibex (and thus exported back to website)
[15:20] <flaccid> fr=for
[15:20] <newz2000> flaccid: we would too. Unfortunately the art team is in charge of that and they have a special deadline which is quite late in the release cycle.
[15:20] <newz2000> Therefore it will probably not happen, the heron was a rare incident
[15:21] <flaccid> the are team doesn't seem to do much to be honest
[15:21] <flaccid> art even
[15:22] <flaccid> besides a new logo. i think a lot of thinking and time should be invested with the 'trimmings'
[15:22] <flaccid> or 'style'
[15:22] <newz2000> regarding the art team, It is a challenge. There is a lot of enthusiasm but taking a work of art from idea to a polished and refined piece ready for distribution takes a lot of effort.
[15:23] <newz2000> flaccid: I think it will be a very very long time before Ubuntu will have a new logo
[15:24] <flaccid> well the quality of the logo is the main problem
[15:24] <newz2000> this is not the right channel for that discussion
[15:25] <Volans> newz2000: for bug 248405 just filled in LP
[15:25] <ubot3> Malone bug 248405 in ubuntu-website "Sorry, the page you are looking for was not found" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248405
[15:25] <Volans> the link to the footer of packages.ubuntu.com will be: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy ???
[15:25] <Volans> /will/should/
[15:28] <Volans> I have replied to the bug
[15:28] <newz2000> ok. I think a good thing to do is put in a redirect
[15:29] <newz2000> and fix the footer
[15:29] <Volans> ok
[15:29] <newz2000> but all I can do is put in a redirect... I have no clue who manages that site.
[15:29] <newz2000> there needs to be a wiki for this kind of thing really
[15:30] <flaccid> goodbye
[15:32] <ryanakca> newz2000: hmm... Riddell would rather use the kubuntu-devel ML and #kubuntu-devel... oh well :)
[15:32] <newz2000> that's fine too.
[15:32] <newz2000> he's a busy guy, I can understand him not wanting to subscribe to too many lists
[15:33] <newz2000> Volans: actually, I think a redirect is a bad idea, only about 3 hits to that page in the last month.
[15:33]  * newz2000 doesn't like too many redirects
[15:33] <Volans> 3 hits??? LOL
[15:34] <Volans> newz2000: whois this guy? <link href="mailto:frank@lichtenheld.de" rev="made"/>
[15:34] <newz2000> I'm not sure
[15:34] <newz2000> sending him an email now though
[15:34] <ryanakca> methinks he's the guy in charge of packages.ubuntu.org
[15:34] <ryanakca> s/org/com/
[15:34] <Volans> there is an author meta tag
[15:34] <Volans> <meta content="Frank Lichtenheld, frank@lichtenheld.de" name="Author"/>
[15:35] <ryanakca> Yep, second line on packages.u.c
[15:35] <Volans> also the footer: To report a problem with the web site, e-mail....
[15:36] <Volans> found it in Launchpad
[15:36] <Volans> I assign the but to him newz2000
[15:38] <Volans> s/but/bug/
[15:44] <boredandblogging> newz2000: has a meeting been scheduled yet?
[15:44] <newz2000> no, I didn't ever get a reply from mdke.
[15:45] <newz2000> he warned me that he was going to be tied up for a bit so maybe we should just do it without him
[15:47] <newz2000> I'll send him one more quikc email. The start page is an important project so if he can't participate I need to talk to Jono and Gerry to see how they want to deal with it.
[15:48] <boredandblogging> right
[16:05] <ryanakca> newz2000: btw, the google analytics for the download attempts doesn't seem to be working... the main website is, just not the download page
[16:13] <newz2000> ryanakca: which part works and which part doesn't?
[16:15] <ryanakca> newz2000: ``Kubuntu'' works, ``Download Attempts (Kubuntu)'' doesn't
[16:15] <newz2000> ryanakca: I'll bet they're getting recorded on the ubuntu.com site
[16:16] <newz2000> yes, that's what is happening
[16:16] <newz2000> that will be a challenge to overcome, I'm going to have to think about this one for the moment
[16:17] <newz2000> in the meantime, if you or Jonathan need a report let me know because I can distinguish them from ubuntu downloads in my current reporting system
[16:17] <ryanakca> newz2000: ok, no rush I don't think. I'll be back in a bit, laundry needs doing :)
[16:17]  * ryanakca nods
[16:18] <ryanakca> Does Jonathan have an analytics account?
[16:18] <newz2000> I'm not sure
[16:18]  * ryanakca asks... *twiddle*
[16:19] <boredandblogging> doesn't google analytics allow multiple trackers per domain?
[16:19] <boredandblogging> or maybe that on subdomains and not specific URLs
[16:19] <ryanakca> newz2000: nope
[16:19] <newz2000> well, the option I know of is to use filters to separate results into different reports
[16:20] <boredandblogging> ah, that might be it
[16:21] <cody-somerville> we need to get the calendar fixed on the fridge
[16:21] <newz2000> boredandblogging: I think the easiest way is for me to email him a report periodically, like the end of the month or something like that.
[16:21] <newz2000> cody-somerville: which problem?
[16:21] <newz2000> is it the blank page (out of memmory) problem?
[16:22] <cody-somerville> newz2000, no the malformed ical
[16:23] <boredandblogging> cody-somerville: you mean where it doesn't work with google calendar?
[16:23]  * cody-somerville nods.
[16:23] <newz2000> I honestly don't know what to do about that
[16:24] <cody-somerville> newz2000, I do.
[16:24] <newz2000> I applied a patch to the event tracker and it made no diff
[16:24] <newz2000> oooh
[16:24] <newz2000> what do you do?
[16:25] <cody-somerville> One moment please.
[16:26] <cody-somerville> Well, now that I think about it, the best solution might actually to use the Google API.
[16:27] <cody-somerville> I wonder how developed the plugins are for it
[16:37] <cody-somerville> newz2000, From looking at the Drupal bug tracker, it seems there are a number of "patches" for the ical problem
[16:37] <cody-somerville> newz2000, which one did you apply?
[16:37] <newz2000> let me check, its been a while...
[16:38] <newz2000> cody-somerville: I can't tell know, I did it on a test server and I think I tore it down.
[16:39] <newz2000> it looks like I installed the even module on fridge Sept 20th last year, so its getting old
[16:40] <newz2000> it looks like that's the most recent version in the 5.x.1.x series
[16:40] <newz2000> I dont' know what the status is of the 2.x series
[16:41] <cody-somerville> Well, the iCal file doesn't validate
[16:45] <cody-somerville> newz2000, they don't even have 2.x series hosted anymore
[16:45] <newz2000> it feels like this module is dead
[16:46] <ryanakca> newz2000: Is there a way I can change bug importances against kubuntu-website without joining the ubuntu-website team?
[16:46] <newz2000> ryanakca: I dont' know, but if you want to be part of the ubuntu-website team its no problem
[16:47] <newz2000> we really only use it for bugs
[16:47] <newz2000> or you can tell me what bugs you need changed and I can do it
[16:48] <cody-somerville> newz2000, did you do the Kubuntu website?
[16:48] <newz2000> ryanakca is the kubuntu webmaster
[16:51] <cody-somerville> newz2000, so, are you able to just upgrade the module?
[16:51] <newz2000> cody-somerville: I have write access to that site, if that's what you mean. However I don't see an upgrade available
[16:52] <cody-somerville> So what did you mean by "I dont' know what the status is of the 2.x series"
[16:52] <cody-somerville> ?
[16:52] <newz2000> it's marked as dev and there's no released version
[16:52] <newz2000> which indicates it's something not ready for production use
[16:53] <cody-somerville> do you mean 6.x?
[16:53] <newz2000> no, the 2.x version of the event module
[16:53] <newz2000> you'll see the version numbers are 5.x.Y.x
[16:54] <newz2000> the Y indicates the version of the module (1 or 2)
[16:55] <cody-somerville> newz2000, what do you think about just using a google calendar?
[16:56] <newz2000> I'm flexible
[16:56] <newz2000> Are you suggesting creating some kind of programming link between fridge and google calendar?
[16:57] <cody-somerville> newz2000, Maybe just embed it?
[16:57] <newz2000> cody-somerville: can you elaborate?
[16:57] <cody-somerville> newz2000, It is possible to embed Google Calendars on a webpage. So we could manage the calendar in Google and on the firdge, we would import from the Google Calendar.
[16:58] <boredandblogging> cody-somerville: you mean like http://www.ubuntu-georgia.org/node/19
[16:58] <boredandblogging> ?
[16:58] <cody-somerville> This provides the additional benefit that people would no longer have to request us to add stuff to the calendar. They can propose things to the Google Calendar and we could approve or decline it.
[16:58] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, yes
[16:59] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, but not squished
[16:59] <boredandblogging> lol, right
[16:59] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, or... we can import the data too
[17:00] <boredandblogging> as long as the meeting bot for #ubuntu-meeting can read it, might be interesting
[17:00] <newz2000> having a google cal might make some other things easier...
[17:00] <cody-somerville> Google Calendar would produce ical, html, xml, etc. etc.
[17:00]  * cody-somerville nods.,
[17:00] <newz2000> boredandblogging: you know your "loco event problem"?
[17:00] <Volans> good idea cody-somerville! :)
[17:01] <newz2000> maybe someone on the web presence team would like to create a simple application to allow teams to publish to the calendar after authenticating via launchpad
[17:01] <boredandblogging> newz2000: not sure which one you are referring to
[17:01] <newz2000> the challenge with trying to streamline getting events from loco teams
[17:02] <boredandblogging> newz2000: ah, right
[17:02] <boredandblogging> newz2000: do you think it would be acceptable to migrate over to google calendar?
[17:02] <newz2000> sure
[17:02] <newz2000> I can't think of any reason not to
[17:02] <boredandblogging> think it opens up some doors
[17:03] <newz2000> boredandblogging: can I take a guess at what font you used for the georgia ubuntu logo?
[17:03]  * newz2000 guesses "georgia"
[17:03] <boredandblogging> :-)
[17:04] <cody-somerville> So, shall I create a calendar? :)
[17:04] <newz2000> +1
[17:04] <boredandblogging> wait
[17:05] <boredandblogging> how are updates going to be moved to #ubuntu-meeting
[17:05] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, How are they now?
[17:05] <boredandblogging> thought there was a bot that dealt with that
[17:05] <Volans> you can leave the fridge calendar system and use google calendar only as another source for the fridge calendare
[17:06] <boredandblogging> can drupal grab other iCal?
[17:06] <boredandblogging> probably some module to do that
[17:07] <boredandblogging> is there an ubuntu google account somewhere?
[17:07] <boredandblogging> or maybe create a fridgecalendar@gmail account?
[17:08] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, I can just create it with my account
[17:08] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, we can all edit it with our own google accounts
[17:08] <newz2000> boredandblogging: there's no official account... I'd suggest creating one and giving all the news-team editors access to it
[17:08] <cody-somerville> newz2000, there isn't really a need for a centralized account
[17:08] <newz2000> (creating one arbitrarily I mean)
[17:08] <newz2000> right
[17:08] <boredandblogging> cody-somerville: lets make a fridgecalendar@gmail
[17:08] <cody-somerville> The calendar isn't attached to a single account
[17:09] <newz2000> I mean a centralized cal and then share it with others
[17:09] <cody-somerville> No need to create a new account though
[17:09] <cody-somerville> If I create it, I can add all the fridge editors as admins with same privs
[17:09] <boredandblogging> yeah, lets create a main one and just give access to all fridge editors
[17:10]  * cody-somerville is confused.
[17:10] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, Are you saying that we *should* create a google account and give access to all fridge editors?
[17:10] <newz2000> boredandblogging and I both agree with your idea for you to create the cal and then share it with everyone
[17:10] <newz2000> on the team
[17:10] <cody-somerville> Okay :) Splendid.
[17:10] <boredandblogging> cody-somerville: yes, create a fridgecalendar@gmail
[17:11] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, Why do you feel that is required?
[17:11] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, and why not make it the mailing list e-mail?
[17:11] <cody-somerville> (google accounts don't have to be gmail account)
[17:13] <boredandblogging> there really should not be emails sent to the news-team list, but if there are, it will send it to everyone on the new-steam
[17:13] <boredandblogging> and thats not needed
[17:14] <boredandblogging> i should clarify, any administrative emails sent out by google
[17:14] <boredandblogging> would just spam everyone on the list
[17:14] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, Okay. My question is: Why do we need to create an account?
[17:15] <boredandblogging> cody-somerville: it will be easier to manage
[17:16] <boredandblogging> instead of having it one a specific individual's account
[17:16] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, I can add each member of the fridge to the calendar with their own google account.
[17:16] <boredandblogging> even though it s shared
[17:16] <cody-somerville> It isn't attached to that one person.
[17:16] <cody-somerville> It is equally shared
[17:17] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, my permissions/access to the calendar would be exactly the same as yours.
[17:17] <boredandblogging> i understand that
[17:18] <newz2000> ﻿ok, I'm going to kind of go offline for a bit to finish a project. If someone needs me, email me please. If I don't hear back from mdke by the end of the day I'll go ahead and start the scheduling process for our meeting.
[17:19] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, well, if you'd like to create a user agnostic account sure but I can go ahead and create the calendar now, right?
[17:19] <boredandblogging> cody-somerville: go for it
[17:20] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, whats your google account? or do you just want me to send it to your ubuntu account?
[17:20] <boredandblogging> cody-somerville: boredandblogging @ gmail
[17:21] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, sent
[17:24] <boredandblogging> cody-somerville: awesome, got it
[17:28] <cody-somerville> http://www.google.com/support/calendar/bin/answer.py?answer=34584&hl=en
[17:30] <boredandblogging> very cool
[17:53] <vbabiy> Hey guys
[17:53] <cody-somerville> Hey
[17:54] <vbabiy> is the mailing list broken, I haven'g got anything in a while now
[17:57] <boredandblogging> last email was friday
[18:19] <cody-somerville> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1590
[18:20] <boredandblogging> times aren't right
[18:21] <boredandblogging> event though it says GMT
[18:21] <cody-somerville> It is no daylight savings
[18:21] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, what is it off by?
[18:22] <boredandblogging> even though it says GMT, think its showing EST
[18:22] <boredandblogging> maybe the import didn't work
[18:24] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, I'd say not.
[18:24] <cody-somerville> and infact, I think I remember reading a bug about that
[18:35] <boredandblogging> the thing is, if we just clean it up once, it should be fine
[18:35] <boredandblogging> probably won't be doing multiple imports
[18:39]  * cody-somerville nods.
[18:41] <boredandblogging> looks like ubotu is responsible for setting the meetings in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:41] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, yea, I already talked with Jussi
[18:41] <cody-somerville> It uses iCal
[18:41] <cody-somerville> So we're set
[18:42] <boredandblogging> does it assume all meetings are in #ubuntu-meeting or does it actually check the description?
[18:43] <cody-somerville> How would it check?
[18:43] <boredandblogging> looks like there are description fields in the ICS
[19:18] <vbabiy> newz2000: are you around?
[19:55]  * Volans dinner, come back later bye
[20:02] <boredandblogging> cody-somerville: how do I add a LoCo calendar to the google fridge calendar?
[20:03] <boredandblogging> like getting it to subscribe to another google calendar
[20:04] <cody-somerville> Invite j5q85mmi6ujvjtii5s1n3li5io@group.calendar.google.com
[20:05] <boredandblogging> the LoCo would have to invite?
[20:07] <cody-somerville> yes
[20:08] <boredandblogging> so afterwards if someone subscribes to the fridge calendar, they will also see the loco calendar?
[20:11] <melat0nin> newz2000: i've created a wiki page for mistakes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebsiteMistakes
[20:12] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, yup
[20:12] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, well, only for events they add to our calendar
[20:13] <boredandblogging> wonder if it would be possible to have one calendar that people can subscribe to which would aggregate a bunch of other calendars
[20:38] <boredandblogging> cody-somerville: you want jussi to try the google calendar url? think I've fixed all the times
[20:40] <cody-somerville> boredandblogging, Let me take a look
[20:40] <boredandblogging> cody-somerville: actually wait
[20:40] <boredandblogging> on the embedded calendar on the first
[20:40] <boredandblogging> it still has the old times
[20:40] <cody-somerville> I don't think the times are right, lol
[20:41] <boredandblogging> try looking at google calendar directly
[20:41] <cody-somerville> First off, when you look at it, is it in your time or UTC?
[20:42] <boredandblogging> when I look at the settings for it, it says GMT
[20:42] <cody-somerville> But when you look at your calendar
[20:42] <cody-somerville> Do you see the events as they would in your time?
[20:46] <boredandblogging> nope
[20:47] <boredandblogging> the calendar is set up at GMT
[20:47] <boredandblogging> I enter 12pm for an event
[20:47] <boredandblogging> it shows up at 11am on the embedded
[20:48] <boredandblogging> they seem to be both set to gmt no daylight
[20:54] <boredandblogging> cody-somerville: look again
[20:54] <cody-somerville> ok
[20:54] <cody-somerville> now it looks good
[20:55] <cody-somerville> What did you change?
[20:57] <boredandblogging> fiddled with the times till it showed up properly on the embedded page :-P
[20:57] <boredandblogging> basically, I had to enter time+1 hr
[20:57] <boredandblogging> on my fridge calendar
[20:58] <cody-somerville> woot
[20:58] <cody-somerville> I see conflicts in my schedule already
[20:58] <cody-somerville> I get to miss the Java Team meeting because I have a meeting at the bank
[20:58] <boredandblogging> bank? fun
[20:58] <cody-somerville> But now I won't have to miss anymore meetings
[20:58] <cody-somerville> yea!! :)
[20:58] <boredandblogging> lol
[21:00] <cody-somerville> I gotta run.
[21:00]  * cody-somerville waves.