[04:28] <nbjayme> hello, i have a problem with wifi network key saving when using a regular user.  when I reboot the system and log in the the regular user it keeps on prompting for the network key.  how do I allow a regular user to access wifi without the need to reenter network key on every reboot?
[07:59] <wbmj> hello all
[08:00] <cody-somerville> Hello! :)
[08:20] <Applerust> Hello
[08:21] <TheSheep> hi Applerust
[08:21] <Applerust> How goes it?
[08:21] <TheSheep> Applerust: that's my line
[08:22] <Applerust> haha, not this time I guess :)
[08:22]  * TheSheep hacks a wiki parser
[08:22] <Applerust> I joined you all in search of some help. I kinda need someone to hold my hand a bit with an xbuntu installation on my laptop.
[08:23] <Applerust> Up for dealing out some advice?
[08:23] <TheSheep> I can answer questions but no hand-holding
[08:23] <Applerust> Fair enough. Let me fetch my laptop.
[08:27] <Applerust> I have returned
[08:28] <Applerust> I have installed Xbuntu completely on the laptop as far as I know. If I let it load normally I get an Xbuntu logo with a progress bar below it that gets hung up. Seems as if the computer is frozen.
[08:28] <Applerust> 2 lights blink on the laptop and continue blinking into eternity.
[08:29] <Applerust> so.. I tried another boot method.
[08:29] <Applerust> recovery mode
[08:29] <Applerust> which is attempting to load now.
[08:30] <Applerust> I get an error:
[08:30] <TheSheep> the blinking leds sound like a kernel panic
[08:31] <Applerust> Kernel panic - not syncing: fatal exception in interrupt
[08:31] <TheSheep> heh
[08:31] <Applerust> I must be talking to the right person.
[08:31] <TheSheep> how old is that laptopt?
[08:31] <Applerust> good call
[08:32] <Applerust> hmm, I dont know for sure. its a dell. inspiron 5100.
[08:32] <Applerust> had win xp on it but I decided I want to learn linux better.
[08:32] <Applerust> xbuntu runs off of the cd if I run it that way.
[08:34] <TheSheep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=459157 <-- looks familiar?
[08:34] <Applerust> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=237852
[08:35] <Applerust> is where I was
[08:35] <Applerust> ok ill try to remove the wireless card.
[08:36] <TheSheep> I gotta run to work, be back in an hour
[08:36] <Applerust> Thanks for your help.
[08:43] <andrew777> hi
[08:44] <Applerust> hey
[08:44] <andrew777> hey
[08:44] <Applerust> hows it going?
[08:44] <andrew777> ???
[08:44] <Applerust> ?
[08:44] <Applerust> How are you?
[08:45] <andrew777> good. u?
[08:45] <Applerust> decent.
[08:51] <microwaver> Hello y'all, anyone else experiencing issues with the screensaver in xubuntu?
[08:52] <cody-somerville> microwaver, I imagine
[08:52] <cody-somerville> microwaver, whats your problem?
[08:52] <Applerust> Sorry, im completely new. trying to get one of my wireless cards to work in xbuntu atm.
[08:53] <Applerust> 1 of them freeze the computer and the other just does nothing.
[08:53] <microwaver> cody-somerville, well, it just doesn't do what I tell it too :) in applications > settings > settings manager  > screensaver I set it on 3 minutes. it just does the 10 minutes standard blank screen; even tho I disabled all of that in powersave menu
[08:54] <Applerust> cool :) lol
[08:54] <cody-somerville> microwaver, Can you give me the output of ~/.dmrc ?
[08:55] <microwaver> cody-somerville, just cat ~/.dmcr ?
[08:55] <cody-somerville> ~/.dmrc
[08:56] <microwaver> No such file or directory
[08:56] <microwaver> but when I cat it I get this :
[08:56] <microwaver> [Desktop]
[08:56] <microwaver> Session=default
[08:57] <cody-somerville> Right
[08:57] <cody-somerville> So, I need you to logout
[08:57] <cody-somerville> and click session
[08:57] <cody-somerville> and select xfce
[08:57] <cody-somerville> and then log back in
[08:57] <microwaver> i'm in xfce
[08:57] <cody-somerville> Select yes to make it your default
[08:57] <microwaver> I don't have any other desktop installed
[08:57] <cody-somerville> I know
[08:57] <cody-somerville> And thats why you're experiencing this bug
[08:57] <microwaver> ok
[08:57] <microwaver> let's see then
[08:57] <microwaver> see you in 2 sec
[08:58] <cody-somerville> okay :)
[09:00] <Applerust> I feel kinda overwhelmed. Way too used to windows.
[09:01] <Applerust> when I ran xbuntu off the cd the wireless card worked automatically. now if I plug the one that worked in the computer freezes. kind of at a loss.
[09:01] <Applerust> after the installation that is.
[09:02] <cody-somerville> Applerust, I can try giving you a hand later but I need to get to bed
[09:04] <Applerust> Ok, goodnight.
[09:05] <microwaver> cody-somerville, thanks for the help, it did just what I wanted
[09:05] <cody-somerville> microwaver, np :]
[09:06] <WindowsMD> Hello, does anyone here have compiz installed and may be able to help me out a little bit please?
[09:06] <microwaver> so Applerust what's your problem?
[09:06] <Applerust> thats a broad question for me :)
[09:07] <Applerust> but at the moment id say its the inability to do anything for myself concerning this wireless card situation.
[09:07] <Applerust> I have 2 wireless cards.  1 is a linksys and 1 is an old netgear. they both work just not on this laptop with xbuntu.
[09:07] <microwaver> Applerust, so your problem is : make the cards work on xubuntu.
[09:07] <Applerust> however the netgear one did work when I had xbuntu running off of the cd earlier before I actually installed it.
[09:08] <microwaver> so a driver issue
[09:08] <Applerust> yeah
[09:08] <microwaver> do you have any restricted driver running?
[09:08] <Applerust> if it was a driver issue then why did it work off the cd before I installed it?
[09:08] <Applerust> I dont know. the only linux system I have ever used was damn small linux and I have forgotten most of that.
[09:08] <WindowsMD> cd can have diff driver than distro sometimes I noticed it earlier or sometimes have more by default
[09:09] <Applerust> well I installed it off the same cd as it was running on.
[09:09] <WindowsMD> it screwed up in autodetection?
[09:09] <Applerust> the netgear freezes the computer and the linksys just does nothing.
[09:10] <Applerust> as for the restricted driver.. the hardware drivers list is completely empty.
[09:10] <WindowsMD> what model of linksys card?
[09:10] <Applerust> wusb54gsc
[09:12] <Applerust> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=764311&highlight=wireless+connection+linksys+wireless-g
[09:12] <Applerust> basically the same problem here.
[09:12] <WindowsMD> what's in the file /var/log/syslog after you plug in your device
[09:12] <Applerust> sec I will plug it in
[09:13] <Applerust> it says new device added
[09:13] <Applerust> it sees it
[09:13] <WindowsMD> sadly I am used to doing this for fedora just recently tried xubunto myself
[09:14] <Applerust> so since it sees it.. then what?
[09:14] <WindowsMD> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=368931
[09:14] <WindowsMD> should have some help there perhaps if you read their steps
[09:15] <Applerust> ok reading it now.
[09:15] <WindowsMD> page 2 had their solution
[09:16] <WindowsMD> top of it
[09:17] <WindowsMD> I'm typically good at figuring out hardware problems but I can't do something most consider easy...changing desktop themes >.<
[09:18] <Applerust> when I was told ubuntu was like a mix between windows and dos.. they should have said its pretty like windows but almost everything is done like dos :)
[09:18] <Applerust> I read it.. Im gonna try it now if I can find the right stuff.
[09:19] <WindowsMD> kk
[09:19] <WindowsMD> yep hopefully it does I've loved fedora before
[09:19] <WindowsMD> just recently preffered simpler installer of xbunto myself
[09:20] <WindowsMD> XP for my games and cs3 and xbunto for...everything else
[09:21] <Applerust> cs3?
[09:21] <Applerust> photoshop?
[09:21] <WindowsMD> yep
[09:21] <WindowsMD> and illustrator
[09:21] <Applerust> I have that
[09:21] <Applerust> good stuff
[09:21] <Applerust> I use xp pro as well on my main machine.
[09:22] <Applerust> I input the code in the terminal.
[09:22] <Applerust> it says my cpp and gcc are already the newest versions.
[09:22] <Applerust> everything else unavailable.
[09:23] <WindowsMD> hmm well trying to think....perhaps it's trying to use wrong dirver is what I'm thinking
[09:23] <WindowsMD> I had that happen once before
[09:23] <WindowsMD> what is make of other card perhaps better luck with that one?
[09:24] <Applerust> netgear 802.11b  model ma401
[09:26] <Applerust> how do I check the driver for the usb linksys card I have in already?
[09:26] <Applerust> I dont even have the option for a wireless network under network.
[09:27] <microwaver> WindowsMD, how do you emulate your photoshop and illustrator, Vbox?
[09:28] <WindowsMD> I don't emulate it....
[09:28] <WindowsMD> I have a particition set for xp
[09:28] <WindowsMD> much simpler
[09:29] <microwaver> 'participation set' ?
[09:29] <Applerust> partition
[09:29] <WindowsMD> yep aka I boot into xp for that part
[09:29] <WindowsMD> and for your other one
[09:29] <WindowsMD> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/95817
[09:29] <Applerust> so he has an option upon boot up to choose which OS he wants.
[09:29] <WindowsMD> bug report
[09:30] <Applerust> right.. thats why the lights were blinking and the computer froze.
[09:30] <WindowsMD> yep
[09:30] <microwaver> yeah i got that
[09:30] <microwaver> but never heard of participation set :p
[09:31] <microwaver> used to dualboot as well. but now since I've got this laptop my desktop = XP. laptop xubuntu
[09:31] <WindowsMD> yeah I use a tower and my old laptop used to be a fedora machine
[09:32] <WindowsMD> what version of xubunto u using?
[09:32] <WindowsMD> apple
[09:33] <Applerust> man.. I read a lot of those posts about this problem.. I see no solution in sight. the search continues.. be back in a few after I read more.
[09:33] <WindowsMD> applerust what version?
[09:33] <WindowsMD> latest?
[09:34] <WindowsMD> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/problem-wwusb54gsc-in-ubuntu-8.04-639797/
[09:34] <WindowsMD> this looks promising
[09:34] <WindowsMD> for your other card
[09:35] <Applerust> version of? xbuntu?
[09:36] <WindowsMD> yep
[09:36] <Applerust> newest I think.. I downloaded it and burned the image today.
[09:36] <Applerust> there may be some updates.. I guess I could plug it in and try it.
[09:37] <WindowsMD> yeah but check that last link I sent
[09:37] <WindowsMD> it's for the other card
[09:37] <Applerust> k, checking
[09:37] <WindowsMD> could be ndis prob
[09:38] <WindowsMD> I used to do linux searches for people as a chacha guide and stilll occassionally do when I login
[09:41] <WindowsMD> so that work?
[09:41] <Applerusted> hard wired in atm. just updated.
[09:41] <WindowsMD> kk
[09:41] <WindowsMD> try what link said all?
[09:41] <Applerust> was a small update
[09:41] <Applerust> not yet still reading.
[09:42] <WindowsMD> small makes big differences usually though ^.^  I know of windows updates that did less than small linux ones .
[09:42] <Applerust> I guess I should actually try to download the driver first of all.. lol
[09:42] <Applerust> I dont update windows at all ever..
[09:42] <Applerust> ever
[09:42] <Applerust> sp 2 is enough for me
[09:43] <WindowsMD> I have to...windows is too dumb to read my audio/gfx chipset automatically unlike latest xubunto I used wubi installer
[09:45] <WindowsMD> imho wubi is one of best moves of whole community that kind of installer...it'll def encourage Vista users to come over...when they can't get their printers to work...
[09:46] <Applerusted> hello?
[09:46] <Applerust> ok, I found out the problem.
[09:47] <Applerust> the other wireless card required the amount of power an USB 2.0 slot would give.
[09:47] <WindowsMD> what was it?
[09:47] <Applerust> this is an older laptop..
[09:47] <WindowsMD> oh
[09:47] <Applerust> I used an older wireless card from my wifes crap computer.
[09:47] <Applerust> works fine
[09:47] <WindowsMD> ahh
[09:48] <WindowsMD> glad that worked for you then
[09:48] <Applerust> so I could have done any amount of software fixes I wanted... none of it would have worked :)
[09:48] <Applerust> I do appreciate your help however.
[09:48] <WindowsMD> wish you would've told me older labtop to start lol
[09:48] <WindowsMD> it's alright
[09:48] <WindowsMD> tyvm
[09:48] <Applerust> I had no idea it wasnt a 2.0 slot..
[09:49] <Applerust> I thought 2.0 had been around longer than they had I guess.
[09:49] <WindowsMD> oh I could've had you run a test to check that lol
[09:49] <Applerust> so now I need to learn linux in general.
[09:49] <Applerust> Im wondering why it isnt slightly more user friendly than it is? loads more people would switch to it if it was.
[09:50] <WindowsMD> well I haven't had to touch terminal very much at all thanks to synaptic package manager
[09:50] <Applerust> windows 3.1 is more user friendly.
[09:50] <Applerust> synaptic package manager.. explain please.
[09:50] <hads> haha
[09:50] <Applerust> I say something funny?
[09:51] <WindowsMD> you know windows add/remove programs...if it could find programs and dl them and install them for you...it would be same
[09:51] <Applerust> Ooo sweet!
[09:51] <WindowsMD> and you don't have to touch terminal xd
[09:51] <Applerust> looks like I just found my first thing to download.
[09:51] <WindowsMD> it's built in
[09:51] <Applerust> Oo
[09:51] <WindowsMD> check under applications system
[09:51] <Applerust> now you see how new I am? :)
[09:52] <WindowsMD> frankly could've been more user friendly of name....like program finder
[09:52] <WindowsMD> or something along those lines
[09:52] <RyanVanDiemen> hey guys, I have to agree, synaptic is one of the things I fell in love with ubuntu on first sight :)
[09:52] <RyanVanDiemen> I used to run Suse for few years, but then tried ubuntu and I`m still on it...
[09:53] <WindowsMD> well until they make it work with direct X 9 I got keep switching xd
[09:53] <Applerust> Im checking it out now.
[09:53] <RyanVanDiemen> but have to admit suse improved its pack. management as well especially with new 11.0
[09:53] <WindowsMD> I'm prob switching back to fedora later
[09:54] <microwaver> yum apt-get =P
[09:54] <Applerust> SPM.. this is sick!
[09:55] <WindowsMD> yepppers....I don't need synaptic....
[09:55] <WindowsMD> it just makes life a bit easier
[09:55] <Applerust> but you want it?
[09:55] <Applerust> k
[09:56] <WindowsMD> I prefer better documentation of fedora
[09:56] <WindowsMD> plus I do like their interface a bit better
[09:56] <Applerust> fedora was one I looked into getting. my friend suggested ubuntu over fedora for me to start on.
[09:56] <WindowsMD> yeah
[09:56] <WindowsMD> ubunto=more user friendly
[09:56] <microwaver> strange thing is, I found lot's of usefull doc's on gentoo wiki that worked for my ubuntu problems :P
[09:57] <WindowsMD> yeah gentoo is another great one
[09:57] <Applerust> I dont plan on having any problems :)
[09:57] <Applerust> lol
[09:57] <WindowsMD> yep, so anything real basic you need to know and that?
[09:58] <WindowsMD> btw did you already install amarak=wmp
[09:58] <Applerust> any suggestions on apps I might need/want for typical use?
[09:58] <WindowsMD> well for music amarak
[09:58] <Applerust> amarak, no I have no idea what that is.
[09:58] <WindowsMD> windows media player basically
[09:59] <Applerust> gotcha
[09:59] <WindowsMD> abiword=m$ word
[09:59] <WindowsMD> though I just use google docs
[09:59] <Applerust> I saw abiword. I was going to ask about that one.
[09:59] <Applerust> k then.
[09:59] <Applerust> firefox comes already on there.. which I like loads.
[10:00] <WindowsMD> google docs I think is superior to any office prog really
[10:00] <WindowsMD> u familiar with that web based app of theirs?
[10:00] <microwaver> amarok rocks
[10:00] <microwaver> you could also use openoffice :)
[10:01] <Applerust> I have used open office on xp. I hated it. it was bug city.
[10:01] <WindowsMD> I never had real issues with it in xp
[10:01] <Applerust> I have heard of google docs
[10:01] <WindowsMD> google docs rock you replace word, excel, and ppt
[10:01] <Applerust> Ill give it a try.
[10:01] <WindowsMD> yeah I sold my soul to google a long time ago
[10:02] <WindowsMD> thunderbird=outlook
[10:02] <Applerust> I dont use outlook. I use yahoo and gmail
[10:02] <WindowsMD> you are already using pidgin I presume?
[10:02] <WindowsMD> ahh
[10:02] <Applerust> yes
[10:03] <Applerust> pidgin is great
[10:03] <WindowsMD> I use it on xp as well xd
[10:03] <Applerust> same
[10:03] <WindowsMD> I did start with trillian but then switched over due to superior logging abilities
[10:04] <Applerust> ohh I used good ol trillian way back when it was free when it first came out.
[10:04] <Applerust> used to love it.
[10:04] <WindowsMD> well you already have movie player right?
[10:04] <Applerust> hmm
[10:04] <Applerust> so how do I actually install things from SPM?
[10:05] <Applerust> I have winamp on my main machine. I use that for multimedia.
[10:05] <WindowsMD> you right click and it'll be on option or check box then hit apply
[10:05] <WindowsMD> I use wmp 11
[10:05] <WindowsMD> I use an external for all my music
[10:05] <WindowsMD> that's only reason I use it
[10:05] <Applerust> hmm
[10:05] <Applerust> I have already tried right clicking. it comes up with options.. but
[10:05] <Applerust> mark for installation is greyed out.
[10:06] <Applerust> maybe because it is already installed?
[10:06] <Applerust> and I didnt know it?
[10:06] <Applerust> I guess green means I have it and white means I dont.
[10:06] <microwaver> lol
[10:06] <microwaver> how mutch did they give you in place?
[10:06] <WindowsMD> a good bit
[10:07] <WindowsMD> hardly anything I can think you'll need that isn't pre-installed unless amarak or movie player wasn't
[10:07] <Applerust> I wont use the laptop for movies or music. except maybe youtube or something like that
[10:08] <WindowsMD> ahh and give google docs a try
[10:08] <Applerust> hmm, new question.
[10:08] <WindowsMD> though I never had issues with it on fedora
[10:08] <Applerust> yeah I have google docs open on this machine.
[10:08] <WindowsMD> openoffice
[10:09] <Applerust> I see a few things in the spm list with the ubuntu symbol beside them that are not installed.
[10:09] <Applerust> firmware and kernel sources.
[10:09] <Applerust> these would be good to have I assume?
[10:09] <WindowsMD> well I'd read description and what I'd use is...an old rule I use for windows machines
[10:09] <WindowsMD> if it ain't broke don't fix it
[10:10] <Applerust> fair enough. I live by that with my car.
[10:11] <WindowsMD> yeppers
[10:11] <Applerust> I assume most windows programs will not run on ubuntu.
[10:11] <WindowsMD> what apps you got in mind?
[10:12] <Applerust> games mainly
[10:12] <WindowsMD> no direct x games will run unless you use wine....
[10:12] <WindowsMD> and gl with that
[10:12] <Applerust> anything special I should do for flash support?
[10:13] <WindowsMD> well I found the browser itself is extremely helpful
[10:13] <microwaver> I do'nt have any real flash erros here
[10:13] <microwaver> firefox did a good job on that
[10:13] <WindowsMD> yep
[10:13] <WindowsMD> plus adobe worked with em this time I think
[10:13] <WindowsMD> which probably helped
[10:14] <Applerust> ok.. so in SPM almost everything on the list is already on my machine. will all of those programs automatically update or is that something I will do manually?
[10:14] <WindowsMD> well I think most apps will check for new versions automatically
[10:14] <Applerust> great
[10:15] <WindowsMD> or you just bring up the manager and it'll check for ya
[10:16] <WindowsMD> and something hilarious for ya...my old gateway keyboard with a sub sideport gets better detection in xubunto
[10:17] <Applerust> strange
[10:17] <WindowsMD> I think linux beats xp for usb support
[10:17] <Applerust> ok.. heres one.
[10:17] <Applerust> I just tried to play a flash movie. its giving me an option of 3 things to install.
[10:18] <Applerust> adobe flash (which I am used to)    swfdec, and gnash swf
[10:18] <Applerust> I assume go with adobe?
[10:18] <WindowsMD> yeppers
[10:18] <WindowsMD> also go  with default you think typically
[10:18] <WindowsMD> like if you go to runescape or another java based site
[10:18] <microwaver> I went with gnash, no problems there as well.
[10:19] <WindowsMD> use sun
[10:19] <Applerust> sun java is what I am used to.
[10:19] <Applerust> I am used to anything standard for windows.
[10:20] <WindowsMD> yep I figured
[10:20] <Applerust> hmm flashplugin-nonfree
[10:20] <WindowsMD> if you were a mac user you'd probably have no reason to try it xd
[10:21] <Applerust> I assume I need this as well. Hey guys.. sorry for all the questions.
[10:21] <microwaver> I'm still considering buying a mac as my new system but I'm not sure of the parallels software if it is good for game performance
[10:21] <Applerust> I read something somewhere on the forums about not downloading the flashplugin-nonfree for some reason. any truth to this?
[10:22] <Applerust> Macs are basically PCs now anyway.
[10:22] <Applerust> go with whatever is cost effective.
[10:22] <microwaver> yeah but for game support :)
[10:23] <WindowsMD> well frankly that's why you buy a win xp machine to dual boot xd
[10:23] <Applerust> what game do you have in mind that will run on mac that wont run on a pc?
[10:23] <WindowsMD> fruity loops is a game...practically
[10:23] <WindowsMD> but it's mac only
[10:23] <Applerust> fruity loops.. the program for making music?
[10:23] <WindowsMD> yeah
[10:23] <Applerust> that is not for mac only.
[10:24] <Applerust> I have used it on a pc many times.
[10:24] <Applerust> had loads and loads of sound samples. lost them all from my dog using my cds as chew toys.
[10:25] <WindowsMD> lol
[10:25] <Applerust> actually now that I think about it.. I doubt fruit loops started on Macs.. it was probably on PCs first.
[10:26] <WindowsMD> yeah, but imovie is prob a good example of a practical toy
[10:28] <Applerust> not familiar with that
[10:28] <WindowsMD> it's part of apple's exclusive ilife suite
[10:29] <WindowsMD> I used that before...though i must admit windows movie maker in vista is decent, though vista itself isn't, and apple's program is superior for movie editing to both of them
[10:29] <WindowsMD> err adobe's
[10:29] <Applerust> I am so ignorant with anything related to Linux. (I hate vista)
[10:30] <Applerust> I installed the flash plugin. do I need to restart my laptop or something? it still says I need to download the flash player to view flash movies.
[10:30] <microwaver> so crossover fixes game support?
[10:30] <WindowsMD> crossover?
[10:30] <WindowsMD> now you got my interest
[10:30] <WindowsMD> will it run guild wars?
[10:31] <Applerust> guild wars any good?
[10:31] <WindowsMD> decent
[10:31] <WindowsMD> good enough till d3
[10:31] <Applerust> compare it to WoW?
[10:31] <WindowsMD> same or better without monthly fee
[10:31] <Applerust> ahh I am so rdy for sc2
[10:31] <WindowsMD> same
[10:31] <Applerust> maybe ill try guild wars then.
[10:31] <microwaver> I'm ready for Diablo 3 /)
[10:32] <WindowsMD> I hope d3 and sc2 have full opengl support
[10:32] <Applerust> .tar.gz   .rpm or YUM?
[10:32] <Applerust> any ideas?
[10:32] <WindowsMD> hmm micro would it be rpm?
[10:32] <Applerust> SC2 looks amazing so far. I heard with D3 that you have to go to another planet.
[10:32] <WindowsMD> I'm too used to yum with fedora I'm tempted to say that
[10:33] <microwaver> they'd better announce some more classes on dia3
[10:33] <Applerust> well I guess I am about to DL adobeflashplayer YUM then.
[10:33] <WindowsMD> well I don't mind my necros being gone
[10:34] <Applerust> Ive heard of .tar.gz but never rpm or yum
[10:34] <WindowsMD> I think it goes without saying pally gonna be coming back
[10:34] <WindowsMD> I just would use package manager and what ff said
[10:34] <WindowsMD> and use the one built in through that
[10:35] <Applerust> ff?
[10:35] <WindowsMD> firefox
[10:36] <Applerust> well its not working. in firefox.
[10:36] <Applerust> and I dont see anything flash related in package manager.
[10:36] <Applerust> I have flashplugin-nonfree
[10:36] <Applerust> says so in package manager
[10:37] <WindowsMD> yeah I'd uninstall the addon in firefox
[10:37] <WindowsMD> and did you try refreshing the page?
[10:37] <Applerust> yes I did multiple times. no luck
[10:37] <Applerust> uninstall it in firefox.. hmm ok
[10:37] <Applerust> I have no idea how to do that either.
[10:38] <WindowsMD> prefs in firefox for lin are under edit...why it's movied from tools I dunno
[10:39] <WindowsMD> that's one of my few complaints about linux version of firefox
[10:39] <Applerust> edit pref is pretty standard though.
[10:39] <WindowsMD> and then you go to manage add ons at bottom
[10:39] <Applerust> nothing under applications.
[10:39] <WindowsMD> hold on just listen
[10:40] <Applerust> k
[10:40] <WindowsMD> go to prefs manage add ons and plugins
[10:40] <WindowsMD> remove that other one
[10:40] <WindowsMD> then get diff
[10:41] <Applerust> all that is there is default plugin and demo print plugin.
[10:42] <WindowsMD> try restarting browser?
[10:42] <Applerust> will do
[10:43] <Applerust> brb bathroom break
[10:45] <Applerust> back
[10:46] <WindowsMD> wb
[10:46] <Applerust> restart did it
[10:46] <Applerust> I need to just try to focus on common sense a bit more and I think I will be ok.
[10:47] <WindowsMD> yeah
[10:47] <WindowsMD> I would've just done a dual boot or used wubi installer xd
[10:48] <Applerust> wubi?
[10:48] <Jammet> Hello there everyone =).
[10:48] <Applerust> Hey
[10:48] <WindowsMD> hello
[10:48] <WindowsMD> name of the small little app windows users can run to install linux from getgo
[10:49] <Jammet> Just installed ubuntu (xubuntu) for the first time. It's working pretty nice, though I have a little bit of a problem with mplayer not being able to show me videos in xv extension.
[10:49] <WindowsMD> hmm never heard of that extension before
[10:50] <Jammet> It's quite simply but not hardware accelerated.
[10:50] <Jammet> So I can watch videos in choppy x11, but I would like to use the xv (video overlay) instead.
[10:50] <Applerust> MD you suggested a movie player to me earlier.. what was it?
[10:51] <WindowsMD> MovePlayer it's default what they are using
[10:51] <Jammet> I need to use my trusty good old 'mplayer'. Forgive me but - I just don't like other players.
[10:51] <Jammet> Besides, if one particular player can use xv, all of them can. So fixing this problem fixes it for all players.
[10:52] <WindowsMD> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_video_extension
[10:52] <WindowsMD> that's what I do got
[10:52] <WindowsMD> newer graphics card?
[10:52] <Jammet> Yeah. The page describes what I mean.
[10:52] <Jammet> It's a pretty good Radeon. Even older models of that card have working xv.
[10:52] <WindowsMD> the problems with newer cards section fo the wiki?
[10:53] <WindowsMD> Due to the release of DirectX 10, some modern graphics cards have limited or altered texture overlay capabilities by design, including the nVidia GeForce 8 series cards and later which have scaled back some of their capabilities during the addition of DirectX 10 support in preparation for Windows Vista. The nVidia GeForce 8800 series cards including the 8800GT and 8800GTS now only support a single texture overlay on the primary 
[10:53] <Applerust> I read about Wubi, looks cool. I just wanted windows off this machine completely. Will force me to learn Unbuntu.
[10:54] <Jammet> Thanks for pointing that out, I did not know that. However, xv works fine with this very card when I boot Knoppix and open videos.
[10:54] <WindowsMD> well perhaps knoppix uses some diff driver
[10:54] <Jammet> That's a possibility.
[10:54] <WindowsMD> so try a driver hunt?
[10:55] <Jammet> I do not know how and where Xubuntu makes and stores it's xorg.conf. The file is mysteriously small, and it just keeps saying Default everywhere.
[10:55] <Jammet> Coming from Gentoo, it is a bit difficult to find my way around there.
[10:56] <WindowsMD> which is one of reasons I am prob going back to fedora
[10:56] <WindowsMD> I loved my fedora v 4.0
[10:58] <Jammet> Is there a button I can press to actually see the boot process in text form, as I am used to? Watching the Xubuntu Logo just makes me uneasy.
[10:58] <WindowsMD> apple might want to try kwireless monitor frontend?
[10:58] <Applerust> recovery mode
[10:59] <WindowsMD> hmm
[10:59] <WindowsMD> you can change the splash screen
[10:59] <Jammet> The recovery mode is the only way? Seriously?
[10:59] <Applerust> press esc at startup and use recovery mode. it shows everything.
[10:59] <Applerust> only way I know :)
[10:59] <Applerust> im new..
[10:59] <Jammet> OMG.
[10:59] <WindowsMD> there undoubtedly is another way
[10:59] <Applerust> makes sense.
[10:59] <Jammet> Heh - I appreciate it trying to be user friendly but...
[10:59] <WindowsMD> iI just don't know it either
[10:59] <Applerust> lol
[10:59] <Jammet> Okay.
[11:00] <Applerust> try recovery mode
[11:00] <Applerust> it seemed harmless enough
[11:00] <WindowsMD> well...my thought is perhaps check for different frontends to help for boot process?
[11:00] <Jammet> Maybe I'll have to rename it to "normal mode".
[11:01] <WindowsMD> and setit to default I liked watching my fedora boot as well
[11:01] <Jammet> If the only difference is that you can see and influence the bootup and startup sequences, I am fine with just running recovery mode at all times.
[11:01] <WindowsMD> yeah
[11:02] <WindowsMD> I liked that part about bootup with fedora
[11:02] <WindowsMD> I could disable stuff I wasn't going to use
[11:02] <Jammet> This is really a first for me. Never before have I seen a boot for Linux that forced me to stare at a splashscreen with no opt out whatsoever.
[11:03] <WindowsMD> yeah same here
[11:03] <WindowsMD> it's a pleasant change in a way for me
[11:03] <WindowsMD> you can change splash screen though
[11:03] <Jammet> To me it's kinda annoying. That's a verschlimmbesserung ;).
[11:04] <Jammet> If I wanted to change the splash screen I'd go buy me a new cell phone.
[11:04] <Jammet> What's next, ringtones...
[11:04] <WindowsMD> lol I customized my xp splash I use both
[11:05] <Jammet> I couldn't care less about what choices I have in splash screens if there is no way not to have one.
[11:05] <WindowsMD> though i do hope someone would develop a way even if not entirely legal to run direct x directly on linux without emulation
[11:06] <Jammet> I thought it is about calling APIs, not emulation? Wine that is.
[11:06] <WindowsMD> wine=emulation truly though
[11:06] <WindowsMD> and a poor excuse of it as well
[11:07] <WindowsMD> fps takes a huge hit
[11:07] <Jammet> As far as I learned, it is not emulation but more like interpretion and translation, looking up calls in a Linux <> Windows dictionary.
[11:08] <Jammet> The few shooters I ran on Wine were perfectly fluid.
[11:08] <WindowsMD> shooters....try diablo 2 with it
[11:08] <Jammet> Cannot, at least not right now. I got this xv thing to figure out first.
[11:09] <WindowsMD> apple that reminds me...you want xubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:09] <Applerust> I dunno
[11:09] <Applerust> do I?
[11:09] <Jammet> I will try the "other" driver. The mean, the official, the forbidden one. The bad, the ugly, the good one.
[11:10] <WindowsMD> yes
[11:10] <Applerust> Ok.. yes I do.
[11:10] <WindowsMD> it's under meta Packages under multiverse
[11:10] <WindowsMD> you play mp3s right?
[11:10] <Applerust> I do. I doubt I will on the laptop much.
[11:10] <WindowsMD> you also were having issues with flash xd
[11:10] <Jammet> Are there the win32 codecs in there, too? In that multiverse? I tried to find them anywhere.
[11:11] <TheSheep> !win32
[11:11] <Applerust> flash is good now. looking for multiverse now.
[11:11] <TheSheep> !codecs
[11:11] <TheSheep> Jammet: they are in the medibuntu repo
[11:12] <Jammet> TheSheep: I was their, the website is down, which made me wonder.
[11:12] <Jammet> their - there
[11:14] <Applerust> well I have learned a lot in the past hour or so. Thanks to all for help and esp to MD. Now I am off to bed. night
[11:14] <WindowsMD> night
[11:14] <Jammet> Thank you for pointing out the help pages, I am installing a good chunk of codecs through that. No win32 dlls yet tho.
[11:14] <WindowsMD> and I just learned that bot probably can be of help
[11:14] <WindowsMD> !compiz
[11:14] <WindowsMD> .....
[11:16] <Jammet> I believe I have made a good step forward as well. If this works out, the w32codecs are well within reach after this.
[11:17] <WindowsMD> wait instead of dling that Oulcn'd I just copy those from my external drive to use?
[11:17] <WindowsMD> I got a copy of windows xp on it as well for backup
[11:20] <WindowsMD> how do you change your interfaces though/
[11:22] <WindowsMD> !interface
[11:22] <WindowsMD> !frontend
[11:23] <WindowsMD> !gui
[11:23] <cody-somerville> !themes-xfce
[11:23] <Jammet> What interface are you looking for?
[11:23] <WindowsMD> mainly just how to switch between em
[11:23] <Jammet> Interfacing.... what?
[11:24] <WindowsMD> I can do alot of config for hardware and that but not switch from kde to gnome or compiz
[11:24] <cody-somerville> You do that at the login screen for kde, gnome, and xfce4, etc.
[11:24] <Jammet> You want to change your Xsession then.
[11:24] <WindowsMD> where is it on there?
[11:25] <cody-somerville> Click the "session" button
[11:25] <WindowsMD> oh...
[11:26] <WindowsMD> anything useful I should know about gui of this...I'm trying to only use gui to see how far I can get
[11:26] <WindowsMD> I'm used to fedora
[11:27] <Jammet> As far as I know, Compiz is attached to either Gnome, XFCE, KDE, or whatever else Desktop management you chose.
[11:27] <Jammet> It is just for effects, for show, for eye candy.
[11:27] <WindowsMD> yep
[11:27] <WindowsMD> I wanted to show it to a friend who thought vista was good
[11:28] <Jammet> You mean you wanted to show it to a friend who thought eye candy means good? ;)
[11:28] <WindowsMD> yeah
[11:29] <WindowsMD> I personally see nothing wrong with clean and simple and uncluttered=good
[11:29] <WindowsMD> aka why I have my ff extremely customized using stylish
[11:29] <Jammet> Do your worst. Just don't overdo it. If everything is bouncing at me, it just creeps me out.
[11:29] <WindowsMD> and menuedit to move things around
[11:29] <WindowsMD> I'll put it on hollywood don't got anything mode...
[11:29] <WindowsMD> to show em
[11:30] <Jammet> There is a frontend for compiz, not sure what it is called. But it configures everything of what compiz usually does, but nothing else. You still configure your actual Desktop the way you did before.
[11:30] <WindowsMD> yeah I got it
[11:30] <WindowsMD> it's right next to it in synaptic
[11:30] <WindowsMD> they make it easy enough to find
[11:31] <Jammet> There are effects in there that I really hate, because with some of them you have to wait so they finish drawing before you can continue with whatever you are doing. I do not like waiting for eye candy to finish up.
[11:32] <Jammet> But there sure is eye candy that I like having. Window births for example.
[11:32] <WindowsMD> yeah neither do I
[11:32] <WindowsMD> know of anyway I can move the clock....
[11:32] <WindowsMD> to lower righthand?
[11:33] <WindowsMD> nvm
[11:33] <WindowsMD> it can just drag and drop...too easy
[11:33] <WindowsMD> just can't move apps and them from top but that don't bug me
[11:33] <Jammet> The point of the exercise is, though, that most of what compiz can show off are effects that do not require a lot of horsepower. Meaning, you can accomplish some neat effects with older computers. That is, I think, a good way to show a difference between what Vista is made for.
[11:33] <Jammet> And what you have.
[11:34] <WindowsMD> yeah my comp is vista ready actually
[11:34] <WindowsMD> he's been bugging me why I keep xp on it lol
[11:35] <Jammet> I would take a really low spec computer and put them side by side. Low spec PC with Compiz and Highend rig with Vista. And once you finished comparing eye candy - go public with the specs.
[11:35] <WindowsMD> I told them due to i wanted to get work done with photoshop xd
[11:35] <WindowsMD> nothing against gimp....but it's so backwards to use
[11:36] <Jammet> I like gimp, but I am backwards myself.
[11:36] <WindowsMD> yeah I use gimpshop hack for win at times
[11:36] <WindowsMD> cs3 is more like gimp
[11:36] <Jammet> If you must have something like Photoshop in Linux, maybe try using Pixel instead.
[11:36] <WindowsMD> nahh that's why I dual boot xp with it
[11:37] <Jammet> Okay.
[11:37] <WindowsMD> now if they had something like apple has where you can run them side by side....
[11:37] <Jammet> A virtual machine capable of running that should exist.
[11:37] <WindowsMD> yeah but I mean one more userfriendly and geared towards that
[11:38] <WindowsMD> though did anyone try to see if apple's would work on nix?
[11:39] <cody-somerville> Photoshop runs fine under Wine
[11:39] <Jammet> No idea.
[11:39] <WindowsMD> cs3 portable version?
[11:39] <Jammet> Perhaps just buy vmware and use that.
[11:39] <WindowsMD> I already paid price for windows....why buy it again?
[11:39] <cody-somerville> Photoshop runs fine under Wine for free. :]
[11:40] <Jammet> Every instance and flavour, with all mods and addons? I have a little doubt, honestly.
[11:40] <Jammet> Gotta go AFK.
[11:40] <WindowsMD> yeah mine is the portable version...I sincerely doubt it will run fine..with my custom addons
[11:41] <cody-somerville> I gotta jet too. *waves*
[11:41] <WindowsMD> kk but know anything abotu crossover?
[12:22] <microwaver> Hello , my printscreen isn't seem to be working
[12:23] <TheSheep> microwaver: what do you mean?
[12:23] <wrtpeeps> has anyone here got dual monitors working with an ati card?
[12:23] <microwaver> I wanted to make a print screen of a webpage, did that, opened gimp but there I couldn't paste the print screened bti
[12:23] <microwaver> bit*
[12:24] <TheSheep> microwaver: it doesn't work like that, gimp has a screenshot utility in the 'aquire' menu
[12:24] <TheSheep> microwaver: you can also install scrot and bind it to your printscreen key
[12:24] <TheSheep> microwaver: or use the panel plugin
[12:24] <microwaver> So by default nothing is binded to the Prnt Scrn button?
[12:25] <TheSheep> microwaver: yes
[12:25] <TheSheep> nothing is bound
[12:25] <microwaver> ah, ok my bad, I thought it was (in gnome it waas like that :))
[12:26] <TheSheep> gimp's utility is nicer anyways ;)
[12:27] <wrtpeeps> I am having a problem with 3d acceleration. When I type glxgears they don't spin. They were spinning before I edited xorg.conf to setup dual monitors. I have an ati card. Anyone any ideas?
[12:27] <wrtpeeps> 1 sec I'll pastebin xorg.conf
[12:28] <wrtpeeps> http://paste2.org/p/48455
[13:32] <Falc> I'm trying to get my microphone to work on my EeePC 4gb.But for some reason I cannot get it to use the mic correctly. I'vr discovered it'll play my mic back to me if I turn up Front Mic in the mixer. This worked in Ubuntu(was unsuitable) and I've tried using the gnone-volume-mixer to no avail. It's odd I can hear te mic but not capture from it, does anyone have any suggestions?
[13:33] <ablomen> Falc, i guess if your mic does work its a problem in the settings of the recording app itself
[13:33] <ablomen> what are you using to record?
[13:34] <Falc> I've also noticed some odd behavior... it'll always select "mic" as an input source and not "front mic" like I want it to
[13:34] <Falc> So far I've tried using Skype and "sound recorder"
[13:35] <Falc> gnome-sound-recorder. Part of gnome-media I assume
[13:35] <ablomen> hmm ok i guess if you fiddle with the settings of both a bit it should work
[13:35] <ablomen> cant really help ya though, since i have no mic here
[13:38] <Falc> Hmm.... okay
[14:33] <cody-somerville> joakim_, you okay? :)
[15:20] <CCCn> ive got some questions...hello
[15:22] <Myrtti> and patience shall avail
[15:31] <arrc> I've just got my new EEEPC901 and I installed Xubuntu on it. However, now my network card doesn't work. Lshw says "network unclaimed", and I also get eth0:  no such device, when i try to check the eth0 status. How can I fix this?
[15:40] <arrc> No one?
[15:40] <arrc> I'm getting pretty desperate.
[15:43] <Myrtti> arrc: you installed the eeexubuntu version?
[15:44] <arrc> I did that first, and I had this problem
[15:44] <arrc> I thought that since the 901 has a different network card than previous models (with n wifi support), the problem might be that eeexubuntu installed wrong drivers and didn't include the ones i needed
[15:44] <arrc> So installed a normal xubuntu distro
[15:44] <arrc> But still got the same problem
[15:45] <arrc> neither the wireless nor the ethernet card is being detected. however the wireless is a known bug, and I could've fixed it easilly i believe
[15:46] <joakim> I started having problems with my internet connection today.
[16:01] <arrc> Sigh.
[17:50] <dromer> hi all, playing around with samba, and I'm having trouble to log in to a share on a mac
[17:50] <dromer> I can see the share in xSMBrowser
[17:51] <dromer> and with fusesmb it get's mounted .. but I get permission denied when I enter it
[17:51] <dromer> I put the use/pass in .smb/fusesmb.conf
[17:52] <ER_A> can u open a terminal and run smbtree
[17:52] <ER_A> any errors?
[17:53] <dromer> not on the folder I want to enter
[17:54] <dromer> on some other machine I do get some errors, but they are irrelevant
[17:54] <ER_A> what happens when you try and access the share ?
[17:54] <dromer> wel, I can enter, but I can't list anything
[17:54] <dromer> I get permission denied
[17:55] <ER_A> im not to good with macs but it sounds like a classic firewall
[17:55] <dromer> heh, well, all macs on the network can enter the share, but no windows or linux pc's can :/
[17:56] <dromer> but I'm gonig to install a linux-server for all clients to connect to soon anyway .. just wanted to see if I could get on the share with samba
[17:56] <ER_A> is the share bassed on a mac?
[17:56] <dromer> atm yes
[17:56] <ER_A> im intersted in linux server too
[17:56] <ER_A> Im having networking issues!
[17:56] <ER_A> :P
[17:57] <dromer> what's the issue? :P
[17:57] <ER_A> i can only access my shares via smb://IPaddress rather than smb://sharename
[17:58] <ER_A> wouldnt be a problem but my router assigns a diffrent IP everytime a comp is turned on
[17:58] <ER_A> lol
[17:58] <dromer> hmm, sucks
[17:58] <dromer> fix your router then ;)
[17:58] <ER_A> so u have to sit there and guess like 5 times before you get to the computer
[17:59] <ER_A> i tryed setting static Ips yesterday but I just fluffed up the whole network
[17:59] <ER_A> lol
[17:59] <zoredache> ER_A: you probably need to setup either your hosts file or a dns server
[17:59] <ER_A> my familly loves it when I fix there computers but hate it when I break them... i try to explain that its development in working progress but they don't wana know, lol
[18:00] <dromer> hehe
[18:00] <ER_A> I hear alot about DNS servers is that the oposite to DHCP?
[18:00] <zoredache> no
[18:00] <ER_A> lol o
[18:00] <zoredache> a dns server is the tool that resolves names to numbers
[18:00] <ER_A> oooo
[18:00] <zoredache> dhcp assigns ip addresses to a network
[18:01] <ER_A> yeh i tryed setting up staic IPs yesterday
[18:01] <dromer> zoredache: if the numbers keep changing .. dns isn't of much use ;)
[18:01] <ER_A> but you think my problem is with DNS?
[18:01] <ER_A> indeed
[18:02] <zoredache> dromer: sure it is, you just have to setup your server to accept dynamic name updates, then adjust your dhcp client or dhcp server to publich dns update messages
[18:03] <ER_A> only 5% left till i get xubuntu now (i got an old laptop to put it on) Ive never used Xfce before so it should be interesting
[18:03] <ER_A> hmmm that sounds complicated
[18:03] <zoredache> ER_A: if you can't get to a system by name, and only by IP then it is almost certainly a name resolution issue...
[18:04] <dromer> I've never used xfce either, I have a 800mhz box setup right now .. too bad I can't access that damn mac :<
[18:04] <ER_A> really?
[18:04] <ER_A> how do I fix it?
[18:04] <zoredache> ER_A: it is kinda...  that is why I also mentioned simply updating your hosts file
[18:04] <dromer> so, any advice on how to share a folder with a user/pass combo with samba? :)
[18:04] <ER_A> I can get to a share by putting in smb://IP/filename
[18:04] <dromer> ER_A: where do you put that?
[18:05] <ER_A> normally via "run application"
[18:05] <ER_A> nautilus is a bit slow
[18:05] <dromer> ok, I only have thunar on this box
[18:05] <ER_A> ahhh im running ubuntu on this
[18:05] <ER_A> :)
[18:06] <ER_A> although iv'e had more luck on here than in that channel, lol
[18:06] <ER_A> hang on I will send a snipit of smbtree
[18:07] <ER_A> cli_start_connection: failed to connect to VAIO<20> (208.69.34.132). Error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[18:07] <dromer> heh
[18:08] <dromer> wth, I can't ssh to the other machine (on my laptop atm)
[18:08] <dromer> hmm, prolly don't have sshd installed :P
[18:11] <dromer> wewt
[18:11] <ER_A> sshd?
[18:11] <ER_A> whats that
[18:11] <dromer> openssh .. w/e
[18:11] <dromer> a daemon to handle ssh-connections to that box :)
[18:11] <dromer> you need it to connect to it
[18:11] <ER_A> ooo... i hope this is an easy thing to fix
[18:11] <ER_A> how wld i go about doing that
[18:12] <dromer> http://pastebin.com/m77fe685d << my smbtree
[18:12] <dromer> so, i need to connect to \\SERVERG3\UnitasShare
[18:13] <dromer> but user and pass don't work :<
[18:13] <dromer> apperantly ..
[18:13] <dromer> apparently*
[18:14] <ER_A> ur smbtree comes out alot prityer than mine... wana swap?
[18:14] <ER_A> lol
[18:15] <dromer> ER_A: lawl
[18:16] <ER_A> i just want alot of computers on the network so i can run them from a terminal and feel like an administrator, lol or neo... eithers good
[18:17] <dromer> ER_A: and you don't even know what an sshd is? ;)
[18:17] <cottima> hello, does8.04 desktop install have softRAID (dmraid) support?
[18:17] <dromer> actually, I might just go for an ftp sollution on this .. though smb just _has_ to work damnit :P
[18:18] <cottima> dromer, what is your problem?
[18:19] <dromer> cottima: well, atm I can't access a samba share on a mac, it uses a user/pass that I put in .smb/fusesmb.conf
[18:20] <dromer> I get a permission denied when I list the contents of the share (it gets mounted with fusesmb)
[18:20] <ER_A> lol :P nope @ dromer
[18:21] <cody-somerville> Does anyone here have a floppy drive?
[18:21] <cottima> cody-somerville, yes
[18:22] <cody-somerville> cottima, Can you see about confirming this bug for me? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/242488
[18:23] <cottima> dromer, I think I might be as knowledgeable as I thought.  Has you tried the samba channel?  Sorry, I do not want to be a jerk.
[18:23] <dromer> nope, not yet :)
[18:23] <dromer> I'll do ;)
[18:25] <cottima> cody-somerville, I am using Ubuntu not xubuntu right now.  Bad question, but is the floppy itself in write-protection (a hole in each corner)?
[18:26] <cody-somerville> cottima, I only know what you know
[18:29] <cottima> cody-somerville, sorry, but I am at a lose.  I am helping a church with a computer lab for those w/o PCs, so I am glad to know of the situation.
[18:30] <cody-somerville> cottima, I'm not sure if it is a situation
[18:33] <cottima> cody-somerville, I am confused.  does the floppy work with other file formats?
[18:34] <cody-somerville> cottima, The bug report is unconfirmed.
[18:34] <cody-somerville> cottima, Floppies may very well work fine
[18:35] <cottima> oh, okay.  I thought you posted it.
[18:38] <cottima> cody-somerville, I have Ubuntu 7.10 right now, and my floppy works.  If you would like, I am about to install 8.04 (desktop or alternate); would you like me to try xubuntu instead (then try my floppy)?
[18:39] <cottima> I am usually in the ubuntu channel, and it will be thursday until I get back IRC.
[18:40] <cottima> cody-somerville, tell me soon, I have a meeting in a few.
[18:40] <cody-somerville> cottima, If you'd like
[18:41] <cottima> cody-somerville, I will see what I can do...  later
[18:41] <cody-somerville> thanks
[18:54] <blake_> how do i edit the menu in xubuntu?
[18:55] <blake_> i know you can use the "menu editor" in settings
[18:55] <blake_> but that just has 'include' for everything
[18:57] <th0r> blake_, that editor only edits the xfce menu, the include contains the gnome menu...those apps are, if I remember correctly are *.desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[18:57] <blake_> ahhh
[18:57] <blake_> ok
[18:57] <blake_> cuz i could always do it in gnome
[18:57] <blake_> so that explains it
[18:57] <Myrtti> s/gnome/system/
[18:57] <blake_> s?
[18:57] <Myrtti> replace
[18:58] <th0r> blake_, the gnome editor edits the .desktop files directly
[18:58] <blake_> i don't have the gnome editor?
[18:58] <blake_> all i have is that xfce shit
[18:58] <Myrtti> tut, mind the language
[18:58] <th0r> blake_, you can also add .desktop files of your own in ~/.local/share/applications (I thnk that is right)
[18:58] <th0r> I won't respond to that
[18:59] <blake_> hmm
[19:00] <blake_> i would prefer gnome editor
[19:00] <blake_> can i add it as a package to xubuntu?
[19:00] <peter__> hi im having a problem with my xfce session, gnome seems to be taking over my desktop manager
[19:01] <blake_> by the way im in /home/blake/.local/share and their is no applications
[19:01] <blake_> this is on a fresh install of xubuntu 8.04.1
[19:03] <peter__> can someone help please?
[19:06] <cody-somerville> peter__, Hello
[19:06] <peter__> hi
[19:06] <cody-somerville> peter__, Whats your problem?
[19:06] <peter__> gnome seems to be managing my desktop setting and im under an xfce session
[19:07] <peter__> settings*
[19:08] <cody-somerville> peter__, What are the contents of ~/.dmrc ?
[19:08] <peter__> [Desktop] Session=xfce4
[19:09] <blake_> hmmm
[19:09] <blake_> i still can't edit the menu
[19:09] <blake_> i miss gnome
[19:10] <cody-somerville> peter__, so how is gnome taking over?
[19:11] <blake_> how can i remove shit from the menu in xubuntu?!
[19:11] <blake_> this is crazy
[19:11] <blake_> xfce is hugely flawed
[19:11] <th0r> blake_, that attitude isn't getting you anywhere...haven't you figured that out yet?
[19:12] <blake_> i figured out that the reason nobody is answering is becuase nobody has any idea
[19:12] <blake_> gnome is so much easier
[19:12] <blake_> =[
[19:12] <Myrtti> ...
[19:12] <Myrtti> then install gnome
[19:12] <Myrtti> no but really
[19:12] <Myrtti> just out of the blue...
[19:12] <peter__> not sure, i have gnome icons and whenver i right click my desktop to change my background i get some gnome error and it brings up the gnome background changer
[19:12] <Myrtti> hm
[19:13] <Myrtti> blake_: do a cp /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml
[19:14] <Myrtti> then replace the default menu with that new copy of yours
[19:14] <Myrtti> and edit it as much as you want
[19:14] <blake_> pfft
[19:14] <blake_> no editor?
[19:14] <blake_> i don't want to edit it with text editor
[19:14] <Myrtti> yes, you can edit that with the said editor
[19:14] <blake_> which said editor?
[19:14] <blake_> gnome editor?
[19:14] <Myrtti> the xfce4 one
[19:15] <Myrtti> having said that
[19:15] <Myrtti> I've fiddled with that two years ago
[19:15] <Myrtti> so can't help you more
[19:15] <Myrtti> but just as a starting point, hope that helps
[19:15] <blake_> no, it's already editing /home/blake/.config/xfce4/desktop.menu.xml
[19:15] <th0r> Myrtti, he could just install Alacarte...not that it even works in gnome
[19:15] <blake_> but that doesn't have the actual applications
[19:15] <blake_> you understand?
[19:16] <blake_> that only has something called "--- include ---"
[19:16] <blake_> for where the applications are
[19:17] <Myrtti> th0r: sure
[19:17] <Myrtti> blake_: install alacarte, rejoice, be happy
[19:17] <th0r> or better yet...install windows so you don't have to think about it
[19:17] <blake_> will do
[19:18] <blake_> i don't mind thinking, but editing the menu should be simple
[19:18] <th0r> like in windows
[19:18] <Myrtti> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/341/
[19:18] <blake_> whoa, alacarte is fucking huge
[19:18] <blake_> i need that just to edit the menu?
[19:19] <Myrtti> blake_: I've already said mind the language
[19:19] <blake_> good god, how old are the bunch of you?
[19:19] <th0r> old enough to know how to behave
[19:19] <Myrtti> does it matter?
[19:21] <blake_> by the way, alacarte does not work
[19:21] <blake_> the same programs still persist
[19:21] <th0r> alacarte is only 1.2MB...don't know how that can qualify as huge.
[19:21] <blake_> well it doesn't work regardless of the size
[19:21] <blake_> it doesn't edit the xubuntu menu
[19:22] <blake_> i wish xfce "just worked" like gnome
[19:22]  * blake_ sighs
[19:22] <th0r> like windows
[19:22] <blake_> sure, like windows
[19:22] <blake_> nothing wrong with being able to do simple tasks in a simple way
[19:22] <blake_> just
[19:22] <blake_> like windows
[19:22] <th0r> linux used to be such a great place to hide from the marching mornons
[19:22] <blake_> too bad you have no life
[19:22] <blake_> loser
[19:23] <blake_> i bet linux is your best friend
[19:23] <blake_> now im banned
[19:23] <blake_> rofl fags
[19:23] <Myrtti> ho-hum
[19:23] <Myrtti> can we please be civil?
[19:23] <Myrtti> I'm getting a tad bored here looking at this conversation that is not going anywhere
[19:23] <Myrtti> blake_: if it's gnome you want, then install gnome
[19:23] <blake_> i don't, i like that xfce is lighter
[19:24] <blake_> i just want to edit the menu
[19:24] <blake_> and nobody knows how
[19:24] <Myrtti> blake_: I have tried to give you some points to start with editing the menu - I'm sorry, I've not had the need to do it myself so I don't know
[19:24] <th0r> Myrtti, and some of us who do know don't respond kindly to the vocabulary
[19:24] <Myrtti> that is the downside of using a minority version of a majority distribution of a minority operating system
[19:25] <Myrtti> people just don't know, or those who know, aren't here
[19:25] <Myrtti> blake_: have you tried the forums?
[19:25] <Myrtti> blake_: perhaps someone in ubuntuforums has the answer already
[19:25] <blake_> no
[19:25] <blake_> i will try that
[19:25] <Myrtti> thank you
[19:29] <blake_> uh oh
[19:29] <blake_> why does it say "Do not install flashplugin-nonfree update!!"
[19:29] <blake_> =\
[19:29] <blake_> it works OK for me
[19:30] <zoredache> what says that?
[19:30] <blake_> the topic of this channel
[19:31]  * Myrtti pokes cody-somerville 
[19:31] <Myrtti> bug 247682
[19:31] <blake_> hmmm
[19:31] <blake_> well i just did a fresh install of xubuntu 8.04.1 and updated everything and im having no problems
[19:33] <cody-somerville> Myrtti, hmm?
[19:33] <Myrtti> well the bug report clearly says the update has been pulled from the repositories
[19:33] <Myrtti> so perhaps the topic should be changed? I don't know
[19:33]  * cody-somerville nods.
[19:34] <Myrtti> what I do know is that flash caused my whole X system to crash last week
[19:34] <Myrtti> and using fglrx I had to do a hardware reset since gdm couldn't be reloaded
[19:35] <blake_> Myrtti: im waiting for the day when linux desktop is as stable as windows
[19:35] <blake_> i have been using linux on servers for 10 years, but im new to linux on the desktop
[19:41] <Myrtti> well... have fun
[20:08] <Myrtti> ...
[20:08] <Myrtti> ho-hum.
[20:08] <th0r> Myrtti, you sound bored
[20:21] <Myrtti> just the normal frustration - no more, no les
[20:21] <Myrtti> s
[22:15] <Genelyk> Y_Y
[22:15] <Genelyk>  screensaver problem , not challenge ....
[22:18] <cody-somerville> Genelyk, hmm?
[22:19] <Genelyk> freezer  screen and cpu T_T
[22:20] <Genelyk> in option Molecule