[00:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: upstream changed it to kdeplasma-addons. Does this change anything?
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> not kdeplasma-applets
[00:04] <vorian> JontheEchidna: just checking things out
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> aight
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> vorian: any way I can help with 4.1 packaging?
[00:15] <vorian> sure
[00:15] <vorian> JontheEchidna: I'll be back in <30 min
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: [19:15:10] <CIA-9> bettio * r832562 workspace/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/analog-clock/ (4 files): Analog clock isn't anymore a containment.
[00:17] <Daskreech> :-(
[00:18] <Daskreech> What am I going to put in my grandfather case?
[00:58] <vorian> JontheEchidna: you about?
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> yup
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> had to reset the router
[01:09] <santiago-ve> ryanakca: ping
[01:09] <ryanakca> santiago-ve: pong
[01:09]  * santiago-ve waves to everyone
[01:10] <ryanakca> Hmm... has anybody seen mhb around lately?
[01:11] <santiago-ve> ryanakca: i just saw the Kubuntu Website Changed...
[01:11] <santiago-ve> and well.. you know i've been waiting for help on it ;)
[01:11]  * ryanakca nods
[01:11] <santiago-ve> you know i just was passing by... to remind ya :p
[01:11] <ryanakca> santiago-ve: hehe, see my post on the planet about helping out... I'm currently working on a list of things to do :)
[01:13] <santiago-ve> *coug*that's how i noticed*coug* Yeah :D sure ill look at it
[01:13] <ryanakca> santiago-ve: cheers :)
[01:13] <ScottK> ryanakca: He's been about a bit, but said something at UDS about finding a girlfriend this summer.
[01:14] <ryanakca> ScottK: ah, ok.
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> Should kpovmodeler still suggest khelpcenter-kde4?
[01:20] <vorian> argh, no
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> ok, I'll fix that too
[01:21] <vorian> JontheEchidna: make sure to add (>= 4:4.0.83)
[01:22] <vorian> whoops
[01:22] <vorian> khelpcenter4
[01:22] <vorian> JontheEchidna: ^
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> k
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> vorian: also change kdelibs4-dev to (>= 4:4.0.83)?
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> currently (>= 4:4.0.4)
[01:24] <vorian> it should be 4:4.0.98
[01:24] <vorian> check on ubuntupackages to see if it's available yet
[01:25] <vorian> huh
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> vorian: what's ubuntupackages?
[01:27] <vorian> packages.ubuntu.com
[01:29]  * JontheEchidna can't find kde4libs there
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> but LP says it was uploaded 13 hours ago
[01:32] <vorian> keep it as is
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> vorian: 4.0.4 for kdelibs5-dev an no specification for khelpcenter4
[01:34] <Daskreech> nixternal: Wheee Qt Gnome :)
[01:34]  * JontheEchidna waits for Qt Vista
[01:35] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: Sweet! :)
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> vorian: do you have an example bug report I could use for new upstream version?
[01:39] <vorian> sure
[01:39] <vorian> bug 248542
[01:41] <NCommander> hey vorian
[01:41] <vorian> aloha
[01:41] <NCommander> So
[01:41] <NCommander> kdepim builds fine
[01:41] <vorian> yeah, i noticed that this morning when I woke up
[01:42]  * vorian was not going to stay up to watch it build
[01:43] <NCommander> SOmeone needs to file a give-back bug
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> vorian: adding a replaces for kpovmodeler-kde4
[01:45] <vorian> yes
[01:46]  * NCommander looks at the more qualified person for that ;-)
[01:48] <vorian> NCommander: I think there is new upstream in the wings
[01:48] <NCommander> Watch it FTBFS on the buildd and build find with sbuild/pbuilder
[01:48] <NCommander> vorian, on the plus side, I'm going to attack the KDE issues on SPARC
[01:49] <vorian> coolio
[01:49]  * NCommander wonders how much the sparc port is used
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> vorian: kde4libs 4.0.98 has been built, so I'm going ahead and putting in the (>= 4:4.0.98) for that
[01:52] <vorian> roger
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> vorian: won't build in pbuilder
[02:02] <vorian> ug
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27382/
[02:03] <vorian> JontheEchidna: let me take a closer look in a bit
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> vorian: I'll mosey on over to skanlite in the meantime
[02:04] <vorian> excellent!
[02:09] <vorian> !info kopete-cryptography intrepid
[02:09] <vorian> nooooo
[02:10] <NCommander> Need a package synced?
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> !info libksane-dev
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> !info libksane-dev intrepid
[02:11] <vorian> erm
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> Xand3r did a good job on skanlite for beta2
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> vorian: skanlite builds
[02:23] <vorian> wonderful
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> it's revu time
[02:24] <vorian> kdegraphics thinks that kpovmodler is part of the source, but it is not....
[02:24] <vorian> nixternal: ^
[02:24] <vorian> JontheEchidna: one moment :)
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=skanlite
[02:35] <vorian> nod
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> I don't think I'll have time tonight to deal with kpovmodeler
[02:40]  * JontheEchidna has to go in ~20 mins
[02:40] <vorian> shucks
[02:41] <vorian> JontheEchidna: skanlite looks good :)
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> kewl
[02:43] <Daskreech> !find sdl_ttf
[02:44] <Daskreech> damn
[02:46] <Daskreech> Anyone happen to know what package sdl_ttf is in?
[02:47] <Daskreech> Duh! never mind
[02:48]  * NCommander can't figure out how to get binfmts with sparc32plus to work
[02:50] <ScottK> vorian: Did you test this new guidance-power-manager release?
[03:04]  * JontheEchidna out
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> vorian: Here's the bug report number for povmodeler in case the packager needs it 248565
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> or should I just quickly up what I've got to revu?
[03:08]  * JontheEchidna has to go
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> be back tomorrow
[03:51] <yuriy> hmm kdemultimedia doesn't specify the upstream bug tracker; I can't seem to find how to set it
[03:55] <vorian> ScottK: sorry, for the delay.  Tested normal, no errors.  clean install, clean purge x2
[03:55]  * vorian needs to change hilight colors
[03:55] <ScottK> vorian: OK.
[04:09] <ScottK> vorian: Where did you get the new upstream tarball for guidance-power-manager?
[04:10] <vorian> ScottK: from JR
[04:10] <ScottK> OK.  Where can I get it?
[04:11] <vorian> :)
[04:17] <DasKreeCh> Jucato: ping
[04:24] <ScottK> Wow. kio-gopher - That's a blast from the past.
[04:26] <vorian> i never had the honor of using gopher
[04:26] <vorian> honour*
[04:26] <vorian> bleh
[04:27] <ScottK> Do you know how it got named?
[04:27] <vorian> nope
[04:28] <vorian> I'm interested though :)
[04:28] <ScottK> It was invented at the University of Minnesota.
[04:28] <vorian> ah....
[04:28] <ScottK> Go look up what their sports mascot is.
[04:28]  * Hobbsee doens't know what gopher actually is...
[04:28] <vorian> I'm in a Big-10 state
[04:29] <vorian> it's like a big fat squirl
[04:29] <vorian> and is terrrrrible at football (american)
[04:30] <vorian> hmmm, kopete-crypto passed revu
[04:30] <vorian> must have been rejected in new
[04:35] <ScottK> Urgh.
[04:36] <ScottK> guidance-power-manager pulls in some gstreamer plugins.  No doubt due to some misguided recommends somewhere.
[04:36] <vorian> hmmm
[04:44] <ScottK> vorian: Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.  Uploaded.
[04:46] <ScottK> It's python-kde4 that drags in the gstreamer stuff.
[04:46] <vorian> ScottK: no problemo
[04:46] <vorian> that's weird
[04:51] <kduser> Jucato: Helo
[04:56] <ScottK> vorian: Note that I fixed a few other things while I was there ...
[04:57] <vorian> thank you
[05:02] <manchicken> http://manchicken.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=1
[05:02] <manchicken> w00t!
[05:04] <kduser> Ha ha
[05:06] <vorian> ahhhh!
[05:07] <vorian> (not about manchicken's pics)
[05:14] <manchicken> heh
[05:31] <Hobbsee> yuriy: ...oh.  dear.
[05:31] <Hobbsee> but the first sequence fails.  you need to get *both* sequences
[05:36] <Hobbsee> ...wow, new website.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> who do i poke with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ to get it fixed?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> (advertising testing releases over finished releases, especially to those who have no idea what kubuntu is, probably isn't the wisest idea in the world)
[05:39] <kduser> It's the KDE Way
[05:39] <Hobbsee> not to mention that there's no real indication of what it is there
[05:39] <Hobbsee> people are just going to think it's a program you run on windows.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> expect an installer of a copule of megs, and wonder why it's taking so l ong to come down
[05:40] <kduser> That is a very large Intrepid
[05:50] <yuriy> Hobbsee: I have the same complaint about the site
[05:59] <ScottK> Hobbsee: ryanakca is the primary architect.
[08:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no, forget about it
[09:13] <Riddell> morning
[09:13] <Riddell> testers needed for network manager
[09:13] <Riddell> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/ubuntu intrepid main
[09:13] <Riddell> (or hardy)
[09:33] <apachelogger> hey Riddell
[09:33] <Riddell> morning
[09:33] <apachelogger> where did you upload to yesterday?
[09:34] <Riddell> kubuntu-members-kde4, but they didn't appear anywhere :(
[09:34] <apachelogger> hm
[09:34] <apachelogger> maybe soyuz was hungry again ;-)
[09:34] <Riddell> without e-mail its hard to tell what's going wrong
[09:35] <Riddell> however I'm setting up Kontact now
[09:37] <Riddell> oh, it crashed
[09:37] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:37] <apachelogger> never did that for me
[09:44] <Riddell> 989 new message
[09:45] <apachelogger> almost as many as I had
[09:46] <apachelogger> vorian: plasmoid-system-status crashes plasma for me
[09:46]  * apachelogger thinks it's quite awkward that plasmoids can crash plasma at all
[09:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: did you reply to that russia not in asia e-mail?
[09:57] <apachelogger> vorian: works now
[09:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: revued am4rok ... please send upstream a mail containing [10:56:51] <insanity> amaroK has been Amarok since June 2006. Wake up :)
[09:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: oh yes, I see you did
[10:05] <Riddell> ryanakca: how about the rss feed one?
[10:05] <Riddell> "Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification."  hmm, not especially informative
[10:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: quickaccess revued
[10:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm uploading the rest of 4.0.98 to intrepid now
[10:42] <apachelogger> ok, cool
[10:49] <hunger> Hmmm... how can I start the kde4 kcontrol equivalent from the commandline? Plasma does no longer start since I played with the gui settings:-(
[10:49] <Riddell> systemsettings
[11:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wifi uploaded to new
[11:19] <vorian> Riddell: all of extragear is uploaded except kopete-crypto and kpovmodler
[11:21] <vorian> apachelogger: what caused the crash?
[11:23] <Riddell> vorian: to intrepid?
[11:23] <vorian> Riddell: yes
[11:23] <Riddell> excellent, top stuff vorian
[11:23] <vorian> arby and JontheEchidna helped out a lot
[11:24] <Riddell> you all rock
[11:24] <hunger> Launchpad is so annoying!
[11:24] <vorian> hehe
[11:26] <apachelogger> vorian: incomplete rc1 in intrepid ;-)
[11:26] <vorian> hehe
[11:27] <vorian> I see where kopete-crypto passed revu, why did it not make it past new
[11:27] <apachelogger> we were wondering about that as well
[11:27] <vorian> also, kpovmodler thinks it's still part of kdegraphics, but it's not in the binary
[11:27] <apachelogger> but I think we didn't really find the answer :S
[11:27] <vorian> hmmm
[11:27] <vorian> that
[11:27] <vorian> is odd
[11:27] <apachelogger> vorian: how does kpovmodler think that?
[11:28] <vorian> apt-get source kpovmodler
[11:28] <Jucato> kpovmodeler 4?
[11:29] <vorian> there is a -kde4 version, but I thought we were moving away from that
[11:29] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=kpovmodeler
[11:29] <Jucato> either way, kpovmodeler shouldn't be in kdegraphics anymore... :/
[11:30] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmm
[11:30] <apachelogger> Jucato: is not
[11:30] <vorian> @@@tobereplacedbydesktopbase@@@
[11:30] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpovmodeler
[11:31] <vorian> ahhh, FTBFS
[11:31] <apachelogger> vorian: please merge the https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpovmodeler-kde4 changelog in when you update it
[11:31] <vorian> I will
[11:31] <vorian> :)
[11:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdeplasma-addons/kdeplasmoids is extragear-plasma?
[11:32] <Riddell> it was in a previous life
[11:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you remove it from intrepid right away or shall I file a bug for the removal?
[11:33] <vorian> kdm is broken for me
[11:33] <apachelogger> hm
[11:34] <apachelogger> oh
[11:34]  * apachelogger headdesks
[11:34] <apachelogger> forgot to fix that
[11:34]  * vorian hands apachelogger some coffee
[11:34] <apachelogger> cheers :)
[11:35] <vorian> ah, plasssma
[11:39] <apachelogger> vorian: what is the kdm error?
[11:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: I can do it
[11:47] <vorian> apachelogger: 10:30:11 < vorian> @@@tobereplacedbydesktopbase@@@
[11:48] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:48] <apachelogger> vorian: that should actually be fixed
[11:48] <apachelogger> ah
[11:48] <vorian> i still had it after updating this morning
[11:48] <apachelogger> there is the patch
[11:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdebase-workspace_4.0.98-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.debdiff
[11:54] <apachelogger> resolving vorian's kdm problem
[11:54] <vorian> ta
[11:58] <Riddell> ok
[11:59] <Arby> vorian: Riddell: I started playing with kopete-crypto this morning. I'll try to finish it when I get home tonight.
[11:59] <nixternal> mornin'
[11:59] <Riddell> Arby: great
[12:00] <Riddell> morning nixternal
[12:00] <hunger> apachelogger: Which problem is vorian having with kdm? That it works only once?
[12:01] <vorian> Arby: excellent :)
[12:01] <Arby> vorian: thanks for tidying up my mistakes last night :)
[12:01] <vorian> hehe
[12:02]  * Arby looks sheepish 
[12:02] <apachelogger> hunger: no, debian patches the theme configuration to be configurable through /etc/defaults/
[12:02] <apachelogger> somehow this breaks with rc1
[12:05] <vorian> alrighty, kpovmodeler is away!
[12:05] <vorian> all we need now is kopete-crypto
[12:05]  * vorian leaves for work
[12:21] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/todo.html
[12:22] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what about digikam and mailody?
[12:22] <Xand3r> apachelogger: mailody is ready
[12:23] <Xand3r> long time ago
[12:23] <Xand3r> a already said this
[12:23] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ScottK doesn't think so
[12:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: digikam, you wanted to tell me hw to creat an watch file
[12:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ?
[12:25] <apachelogger> Xand3r: http://aplg.kollide.net/uscan.html
[12:26] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ok this with the changelog is a fault, but "-kde4" has to stay, cause its unstabel
[12:26] <apachelogger> aye
[12:26] <apachelogger> Xand3r: watch consits basically of 2 lines
[12:26] <apachelogger> 1. the version
[12:26] <apachelogger> which is currently
[12:26] <apachelogger> so every watch file has to include version=3
[12:26] <apachelogger> 2. the regexp fro the tarball url
[12:27] <Xand3r> kk
[12:27] <Xand3r> i will see
[12:27] <Xand3r> i am right with my kde4 statment?
[12:27] <apachelogger> [13:26:13] <apachelogger> aye
[12:27] <apachelogger> [13:26:13] <apachelogger> aye
[12:27] <apachelogger> too much aye
[12:27] <JontheEchidna> Good morning
[12:28] <apachelogger> so for watch, lets say the upstream URL is ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/amarok/1.83/src/amarok-1.83.tar.bz2
[12:28] <apachelogger> in regexp that would be ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/amarok/([\d\.]*)/src/amarok-(.*)\.tar\.bz2
[12:28] <apachelogger> morning JontheEchidna
[12:28]  * JontheEchidna just finished reading backlog
[12:29] <apachelogger> Xand3r: the ([\d\.]*) portion is any amount of digits with dots
[12:29] <JontheEchidna> ARgh, more upstream licensing issues :(
[12:30] <apachelogger> Xand3r: so as in teh example it can be 1.83 or 1.8.8 or 1.8.8.8.8.8.8
[12:30] <apachelogger> but not 1.8-alpha1 for example
[12:30] <apachelogger> the (.*) portion can be anything
[12:31] <apachelogger> the line gets finished with debian uupdate
[12:31] <apachelogger> for some reason I really don't know :P
[12:31] <apachelogger> Xand3r: then you have special features where for example you can query a normal web page for a certain URL
[12:31] <apachelogger> http://quassel-irc.org/downloads \
[12:31] <apachelogger>   /system/files/quassel-(.*)\.tar\.bz2 debian uupdate
[12:32] <apachelogger> first is the web page
[12:32] <apachelogger> then whitespace, or in this case \ whitespaces in order to linebreak, and after that the regexp URL to find on that web page
[12:33] <apachelogger> so uscan will download the /downloads page and parse it for the regexp
[12:33] <\sh> apachelogger: plans to backport 4.0.89 to hardy?
[12:34] <apachelogger> Xand3r: best thing is to play a bit with it ... and run it with --debug to get fair amount of information
[12:34] <apachelogger> \sh: Riddell is on it
[12:36] <\sh> cooll...thx riddell :)
[12:36] <Xand3r> apachelogger: wht is bad with that change log? http://paste.ubuntu.com/27467/
[12:37] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you shall drop the ppa portion
[12:38] <apachelogger> Xand3r: so your entry is the very first one
[12:38] <Xand3r> apachelogger: but then it is like i am the orignal meintainer
[12:38] <Xand3r> but i am not
[12:38] <Xand3r> so i have to refer to the source
[12:39] <\sh> apachelogger: btw...when you are on it, please use the latest snapshot of pyqt4 from riverbank, it fixes the missing QFormLayout in pyuic4
[12:39] <apachelogger> Xand3r: tell ScottK, not me
[12:40] <apachelogger> \sh: why is it not fixed in rc1 :P
[12:40] <\sh> apachelogger: because I just read it today ,-)
[12:41] <apachelogger> well well
[12:41] <apachelogger> they got one release to polish up bindings
[12:41] <apachelogger> that is gonna be quite some work I guess ;-)
[12:42] <Xand3r> ScottK: are you there?
[12:45] <ScottK> Xand3r: Briefly.
[12:46] <JontheEchidna> woo, kdelibs and kdebase are hitting the ppa
[12:47] <\sh> apachelogger: it's pyqt4 not pykde4 ;)
[12:47] <apachelogger> ah
[12:47] <apachelogger> good point
[12:47] <Xand3r> ScottK: ok, thx, with mailody, why i have to drop the ppa referenc in the changelog? it were build for the ppa, there i got the source, why i have to remove the reference?
[12:48] <ScottK> Xand3r: You can make a comment in Debian copyright if you want to credit someone else for the packaging.
[12:48] <Xand3r> ScottK: and i cant drop the "-kde4" cause it is unstabel
[12:48] <ScottK> Xand3r: PPA isn't part of Ubuntu.
[12:48] <ScottK> I don't think we want both KDE3 and KDE4 mailody in Intrepid.
[12:48] <Xand3r> ScottK: and? i have packeged after wards for ubuntu
[12:48] <ScottK> Xand3r: We don't typically put unofficial stuff in debian/changelog.
[12:49] <ScottK> The bigger question is the KDE3/4 question and do we want two packages.
[12:49] <Xand3r> i think Riddell hade told me to do so but i cant remember
[12:49] <ScottK> Xand3r: I'd suggest ask Riddell.  I'm pretty sure we just want a KDE4 version.
[12:50] <apachelogger> nope
[12:50] <apachelogger> only kde4 very it makes sense
[12:50] <ScottK> Debian won't want a KDE4 version until after Lenny, so we'd be ahead of them for a while.
[12:50] <apachelogger> and mailody will most likely not be as usable as the kde3 version for intrepid
[12:50] <apachelogger> so we are including -kde4 for now
[12:50] <apachelogger> ah
[12:50] <ScottK> Xand3r: Do it as an upgrade to the existing mailody package (with debian/changelog and other packaging from it)
[12:50] <apachelogger> gotta go
[12:50] <apachelogger> *shopping*
[12:51] <apachelogger> \o/
[12:51]  * ScottK needs to go for $WORK.
[12:51]  * ScottK will be away for ~10 hours or so.
[12:51] <ScottK> Xand3r: Ask Riddell.
[12:53] <Xand3r> ScottK: ok, have fun, i will ask Riddell, thx for help
[12:53] <Xand3r> Riddell: for intrepid mailody kde4 version, have i to create an separate package or its the update of mailody kde3?
[12:54] <ScottK> Scared him off.
[12:54] <ScottK> ;-)
[12:55] <ScottK> See you all later.
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: now that libs are in the ppa, is there anything in extragear that needs to be backported like skanlite?
[12:59]  * Xand3r is eating
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> oh right, he went shopping
[13:12] <Riddell> rar
[13:14] <mooperd> hi, Is there a kubuntu 64 support channel?
[13:14] <gnomefreak> mooperd: #kubuntu
[13:15] <mooperd> ﻿gnomefreak: doh
[13:15] <gnomefreak> mooperd: im not the one that asked ;)
[13:16] <mooperd> gnomefreak: perhaps you can guide me to some good advice about getting dual head working on my ATI card?
[13:17] <gnomefreak> mooperd: nope dual monitors still doesnt make sence to me unless i need it in an office and that still dont really need it
[13:17] <gnomefreak> sense
[13:17] <gnomefreak> #kubuntu or #kde4(i think is kubuntu's kde4 channel but dont remember the name of it
[13:17] <mooperd> trust me man, I need it
[13:17] <gnomefreak> they should be ablet o help
[13:17] <mooperd> ta
[13:18] <JontheEchidna> #kubuntu-kde4
[13:19] <gnomefreak> debian is adding kde4.1 in lenny :(
[13:20] <gnomefreak> last i heard that was very unstable but still havent played with it
[13:20] <gnomefreak> and they are not adding gnome 2.22 because it is not stable and relies on new things
[13:25] <gnomefreak> umm how unstable is 4.1? (iirc this is not a point release for 4.0)
[13:26] <gribelu> gnomefreak: beta2 is very stable for me.. rc1 should be in the repos very soon though
[13:27] <gnomefreak> gribelu: how different is it from 4.0?
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> Different
[13:27] <gnomefreak> thats how i spelled it ;)
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> I wasn't going at ya for spelling :P
[13:27] <gnomefreak> cant be too diffferent could it?
[13:27] <gnomefreak> JontheEchidna: i know
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> oh, lol.
[13:28] <gribelu> gnomefreak: much better imho .. more complete and stable
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> plasma artwork is nicer
[13:28] <gnomefreak> cool
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> Panel configuration is way easier
[13:28] <gribelu> 4.1 is what 4.0 should have been :)
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> You can grab extra plasma themes from the desktop settings dialog
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> comic strip actually loads xkcd
[13:29] <gnomefreak> i havent played with plasma yet maybe i should later
[13:29] <gnomefreak> crap im late
[13:29] <gnomefreak> bbl
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> There's a few new plasmoids in the ever-name-changing extra plsmoids module
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> Dolphin got tabs
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> along with little frames around image previews
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> ...among other things
[13:39] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what o have to do? Riddell is gone?
[13:49] <Xand3r> hey, how can i run a watch file, only seeing what would hapen, but it change nothing?
[13:50] <Xand3r> Riddell: emm, could you help me with the mailody name?
[13:53] <Riddell> Xand3r: mailody-kde4 ?
[13:56] <Xand3r> Riddell: ja
[14:09] <Xand3r> Riddell: the question is, have i to replace the kde3 version or make a mailody-kde4?
[14:10] <Riddell> Xand3r: in debian/control for the binary package it should have   Conflicts: mailody
[14:11] <Xand3r> Riddell: so i have to name the kde4 version mailody-kde4 with conflicts to mailody?
[14:15] <Riddell> Xand3r: yes
[14:16] <Xand3r> Riddell: ok, thx
[14:26]  * jussi01 thinks about reporting a bug... just got to figure out if its really a bug, or my stupidity
[14:32] <mooperd> ﻿http://rafb.net/p/rtGElb32.html - I'm getting this error with apt, does anyone have an Idea how I can fix it?
[14:33] <robinp> is anyone actively working on filesharing for kubuntu?
[14:33] <sebas> mooperd: uninstall with --force, then --reinstall the package containing that libGL
[14:34] <Riddell> hi robinp, nobody is working on it currently, it's something I'd like to do but I don't have the time
[14:35] <robinp> ok, im just playing around at the moment with AFP, I guess at some stage im going to have to have a good look at how it all fits in...
[14:35] <Riddell> robinp: what's AFP?
[14:35] <robinp> Riddell: apple file protocol
[14:36] <mooperd> sebas, uhm E: Command line option --force is not understood
[14:36] <Riddell> hmm, sounds non-standard
[14:37] <robinp> Riddell: its what macs use for filesharing (yes they can do smb as well, but there are things about afp that are better - for example advertising/browsing)
[14:37] <mooperd> sebas, with --force-yes I still get the same error
[14:41] <Riddell> robinp: seems to be a bit legacy, webdav is the way forward in my opinion
[14:43] <Xand3r> i try to make a watch file for digicam
[14:43] <Xand3r> thats the download link
[14:43] <Xand3r> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/digikam/digikam-0.10.0-beta1.tar.bz2
[14:43] <Xand3r> and thats the watchfile line http://downloads.sourceforge.net/digikam/digikam-(.*)\.tar\.bz2 debian uupdate
[14:43] <Xand3r> why it doesnt work?
[14:44] <robinp> Riddell: yeah, but webdav doesn't seem to have the user/group permission support that the traditional file servers (smb/afp) have
[14:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ng already took care of it (RSS feed)
[14:46] <Riddell> ryanakca: does the old URL still work?
[14:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: it redirects to the new RSS feed
[14:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: also, I've received a few complaints that we don't use Linux any where on our site... mind if I add it where it would fit?
[14:47] <Riddell> Xand3r: I seem to remember that sourceforge needs something clever done to work with watch files (but I've never actually used them myself)
[14:47] <ryanakca> (use the word)
[14:48] <Xand3r> Riddell: hmm
[14:48] <Xand3r> Riddell: thx, but you dont know a package with a watchfile scaning sourceforge or?
[14:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: neither does ubuntu :)
[14:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: *nod*, ok
[14:51] <Riddell> ryanakca:  "..based on Linux and the K.." I guess would work
[14:51] <Riddell> I worry about too many geek works in the intro paragraph though
[14:51] <Riddell> ryanakca: fancy adding a news page for 4.1 RC 1?  You should be able to copy the beta 2 page
[14:52] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ping, how would you suggest we fix it? (looking back 10 hours)
[14:52] <Riddell> Xand3r: I'm afraid I don't
[14:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: sure, I'll leave it unpublished and then you can publish it when it's time
[14:52] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i'd use that section to advertise what kubuntu is
[14:53] <ryanakca> imho, that's what it's doing? Operating system based on Ubuntu and KDE... 6 month release cycle, it's the secure and stable environment you've been waiting for ?
[14:54] <ryanakca> Riddell: thanks to who?
[14:54] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i meant the big blue panel, that everyone looks at first.
[14:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: apachelogger
[14:55] <ryanakca> Ah, up top, where we have the title of the latest news article?
[14:55] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: maybe make it a mirage of some screenshots, or something?
[14:55] <Hobbsee> yes
[14:55] <Hobbsee> that might be more suitable
[14:56] <ryanakca> *nod*, that's always changeable. If we had a catch phrase / slogan / motto or something of the sort up there...
[14:56] <Xand3r> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mailody-kde4
[14:56] <Xand3r> please review it again
[14:56] <Hobbsee> find some current screenshots or something, methinks.
[14:57] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I'll be emailing out some website related tasks that can be done to kubuntu-devel in a bit, I'll include that in it.
[14:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: should I use his real name (more professional), or stick to apachelogger (which is probably better known)
[15:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: Harald "apachelogger" Sitter ?
[15:13] <Riddell> ryanakca: how's it coming along?
[15:16] <Xand3r> so guys, i have to dso some sport, if apachelogger ask mailody could be advocate, digicam i am working on a watch file, but i get a stage output http://paste.ubuntu.com/27480/ ; c ya
[15:31] <ryanakca> Riddell: back, sorry, mum called
[15:32] <Riddell> seems KDE delayed for a couple of hours anyway, but go ahead and publish when you can ryanakca
[15:34] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies
[15:36] <Riddell> ryanakca: I used a url of http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1rc1 for kde.org
[15:38] <ryanakca> Riddell: done
[15:39] <ryanakca> Riddell: feel free to tweak as you please
[15:42] <Riddell> hmm, it seems to be at kde4.1-rc1 not kde-4.1rc1, but when I edit it it's already kde-4.1rc1
[15:43] <ryanakca> refresh maybe? I originally had it at kde4.1-rc1, but then changed it
[15:44] <Riddell> maybe it's cached somewhere
[15:45] <ryanakca> Hmm...
[15:45] <ryanakca> Try Ctrl-F5 (assuming you're in firefox)
[15:46] <sebas> ryanakca: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.1-rc1.php it's up btw
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> By the way, people are reporting that RC1 is breaking KDE
[15:46] <Tm_T> hrrr, OpenMoko FR getting upgrade
[15:47] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that's a bit unspecific
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> Cannot open theme file @@@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@@ <- I get that when trying to switch users so I can test
[15:47] <Riddell> oh, kdm
[15:47] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: hardy or intrepid?
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> Hardy
[15:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: Any luck?
[15:52] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I've uploaded a fix, tell them to watch out for 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa3 appearing in an hour or two
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> ok
[15:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: oh aye, there it is
[15:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: goodies :)
[15:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: I need to go out to do some gardening, anything else? I'll stop back in in half an hour or so...
[15:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: that's all I think, enjoy the garden
[15:55] <yuriy> JontheEchidna, Riddell: I saw that error booting Inrepid last night too. was too excited about my backlight working to be concerned though.
[15:55] <yuriy> good morning and happy hug day
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, today is another hug day
[15:58] <yuriy> oh no amarok 2 doesn't have stop after current track
[16:04] <Riddell> yuriy: fixed in 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu2 uploaded about 4 hours ago
[16:04] <Riddell> hugs!
[16:05]  * yuriy hugs Riddell 
[16:21] <Nightrose> yuriy: it had until a few days ago but the way it was done was _very_ annoying - will probably be back with a proper solution rather soon
[16:23]  * nixternal loves working from home
[16:24] <gnomefreak> is 4.0.98 == 4.1 release (beta or rc?)
[16:25] <jussi01> rc iirc - wasnt beta .83 ?
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> 4.0.98 is rc1
[16:27] <nixternal> damn, I have been updating thinking those were fixes for beta :)
[16:27]  * nixternal makes sure to not reboot anytime soon
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> yeah, currently in hardy you can't log back in 'cuz of a kdm bug
[16:29] <nixternal> lovely
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> fix was uploaded tho
[16:29] <nixternal> whew
[16:29] <nixternal> you scared me dude :)
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> ...but it hasn't been built
[16:31] <jjesse> d'oh
[16:31]  * hungerTest is patiently waiting for a fix to make kdm work again as well as it did this morning (not too well anyway;-)
[16:31] <jjesse> so if i started updating hardy this morning should i oncce again update?
[16:31] <jjesse> or just not restart?
[16:43] <Xand3r> apachelogger: are you back?
[16:48] <Xand3r> i think thats a no
[16:49] <Xand3r> vorian are you there?
[17:15] <seele> nooooo.. latest updates broke something
[17:15] <seele> how do you start kde without kdm?  startkde isnt working
[17:16] <yuriy> startx?
[17:16] <seele> oh right, i guess i could do that too
[17:16] <seele> i cant remember the last time i had to do that, lol
[17:16]  * JontheEchidna had to do that in INtrepid when he was fixing his X
[17:17] <seele> sorry, had a moment of panic.  i should have known better than to install beta packages on my work laptop
[17:36] <hungerTest> I guess intrepid has borked drivers for my ati card:-/ It does do openGL now though... but I can not log in more than once using kdm and the box tends to freeze.
[17:46] <allee> seele: looks like --sysconfdir for kde-kdm4 is wrong.  kdmrc is in /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc  and not below /usr/lib/kde4/etc/...
[17:54] <daskreech> seele: :-)
[17:56] <Riddell> hmm well, time up for today, if anyone feels like packaging kdeplasma-addons for kubuntu-members-kde4 hardy that would be most welcome
[17:57] <seele> wow Riddell, youre really sticking to 8 hours a day huh?
[17:57] <seele> no more 60 hour weeks? :)
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, I guess I could try packaging kdeplasma-addons
[18:04] <supert0nes> if i'm on nightly how do i switch without kdm?
[18:06]  * hunger grumbles that kmail for kde4 sucks.
[18:07] <hunger> Why does it keep forgetting my pop account while it does remember the sending account?
[18:14] <daskreech> hunger: #kontact ?
[18:15] <papabean> Is there an appropriate channel to discuss the ubuntu wiki and how outdated sections of it have become?
[18:15] <hunger> daskreech: Nope... I guess it is #thunderbird for me:-)
[18:15] <jjesse> papabean: the ubuntu-doc team works a lot w/ the wiki
[18:16] <papabean> I can see how daunting a task it must be to keep some of these sections up-to-date.
[18:16] <jjesse> terribly daunting
[18:16] <papabean> Is there an IRC channel for the ubuntu doc team?
[18:16] <jjesse> check on #ubuntu-doc or the buntu doc mailist
[18:16] <daskreech> hunger: could be a simple KDESetting (c)
[18:17] <papabean> jjesse: Thanks - because I'm willing to help out if I can.
[18:21] <seezer> aa
[18:22] <seezer> wrong. totally.
[18:22] <jjesse> papabean: awesome see you over in #ubuntu-docs
[18:22] <jjesse> its #ubuntu-doc
[18:44] <Xand3r> Riddell: wich arichv admin works today?
[18:44] <nixternal> I thought the fix for kdm-kde4 was uploaded already
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: me too, but I haven't seen it on the ppa webpage
[18:46] <nixternal> who uploaded it?
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> Riddell said he did
[18:46] <nixternal> hrmm
[18:46]  * nixternal wonders where he uploaded it too
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> but if it hasn't been uploaded this is sort've an oh shi- moment because kdebase-workspace sorta takes a long time to compile
[18:47] <nixternal> hehe, he uploaded to intrepid
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> oh sh-
[18:48] <nixternal> easy fix though, just need to deactivate one patch
[18:48]  * nixternal does that
[18:48] <jjesse> nixternal: remember when i was complaining/whining about hardy and my dell wireless card
[18:48] <jjesse> turns out my wireless card was bad
[18:48] <nixternal> ya
[18:48]  * aos101 couldn't see it on the PPA web interface either, and was wondering what is happening...
[18:48] <apachelogger> re
[18:48] <nixternal> oh wow
[18:48] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, cuz it works here for me
[18:48] <jjesse> loaded vista and xp and wasn't detecting it
[18:48] <nixternal> apachelogger: is that correct as removing 12_be_better.... will fix kdm?
[18:48] <jjesse> even after a factory restore
[18:49] <apachelogger> nixternal: aye
[18:49] <nixternal> roger that, getting ready to upload to the ppa
[18:49]  * apachelogger got mail from the bank :S
[18:50] <nixternal> commenting out the line works in rules or no?
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> Has kdeplasma-addons been built for intrepid yet?
[18:50] <jjesse> holy cow first look at the launchpad redesign
[18:50] <jjesse> wow
[18:50] <jjesse> wow wow
[18:50] <nixternal> ugly isn't it jjesse?
[18:51]  * nixternal doesn't like it, and neither do a bunch of others
[18:51]  * apachelogger likes it, except for the brokeness
[18:51] <nixternal> hehe
[18:51] <nixternal> apachelogger: can you comment (#) out lines in debian/patches/series ?
[18:51]  * JontheEchidna can't find where to edit the bug description
[18:51] <jjesse> me don't like either
[18:51] <apachelogger> nixternal: aye
[18:51] <Xand3r> apachelogger: welcome back
[18:52] <apachelogger> thx
[18:52]  * apachelogger got a credit note thingy for ...something
[18:52] <apachelogger> wondering what the something is though
[18:53] <apachelogger> Xand3r: watch output looks good to me
[18:53] <Xand3r> apachelogger: not good for me
[18:54] <nixternal> uploading kdebase-workspace now to ppa
[18:54] <apachelogger> Xand3r: why?
[18:54] <nixternal> 12000k/48549k
[18:54]  * apachelogger hands nixternal a cookie
[18:55] <Xand3r> apachelogger: cause it says there is a newer version, but there is no
[18:55] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, that's because of beta
[18:55] <apachelogger> and I, for one, don't really care about unstable releases :P
[18:55] <nixternal> 2 weeks from today == my birthday!!!
[18:56] <Arby> evening all
[18:56] <nixternal> but more importantly, 2 weeks from today == KDE 4.1 release!!!!! \o/
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> lol
[18:56] <Arby> there's a man who knows his priorities
[18:56] <apachelogger> hm 8 days from today == my birthday
[18:56] <apachelogger> IIRC
[18:56] <apachelogger> hm
[18:56] <apachelogger> actually
[18:56] <apachelogger> woah, that is pretty close
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> oh burn: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950
[18:57] <ryanakca> nixternal: oooh, lucky you :)
[18:57] <allee> apachelogger: 23.7 is a good day to have it's birthday!
[18:59] <apachelogger> I am wondering why that is ;-)
[18:59] <nixternal> hahaha, Linus rocks!
[18:59] <allee> heh, heh
[18:59] <nixternal> he kills me with his analogies
[19:00] <apachelogger> nixternal has time to read mails!
[19:00] <apachelogger> omg
[19:00]  * apachelogger hands nixternal http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-system-status
[19:00] <apachelogger> :P
[19:00] <apachelogger> actually
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so what is the naming convention we're going with in the end?
[19:00] <apachelogger> that was the wrong one
[19:01] <jjesse> awesome masterbating monkeys
[19:01] <jjesse> lol
[19:01]  * apachelogger hands nixternal http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mailody-kde4
[19:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the one we startet uploading with
[19:01] <apachelogger> plasmoid-foobar
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> ok
[19:03] <nixternal> kdebase-workspace uploaded
[19:03] <nixternal> apachelogger: I need to run some errands, I can look at it later though
[19:03] <apachelogger> fair enough
[19:04] <apachelogger> uh, I got package credit
[19:04] <apachelogger> sweet
[19:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you upload kdepim to the ppa already?
[19:06] <apachelogger> aparently not
[19:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: did someone already prepare the kdepim package?
[19:07] <yuriy> hmm system settings needs to be taught about kdesudo
[19:07] <apachelogger> yuriy: ?
[19:07] <apachelogger> really no idea what you mean
[19:08] <yuriy> apachelogger: or at least, the date/time module
[19:08] <yuriy> asks for a root password on Intrepid
[19:08] <apachelogger> well
[19:08] <apachelogger> yuriy: tonio didn't merge kdesudo-kde4 with kdesudo yet
[19:08] <yuriy> ah
[19:08] <apachelogger> and as I complained earlier - kdesu is not built with sudo support
[19:09]  * Arby frowns at kopete-crypto http://paste.ubuntu.com/27529/
[19:10] <Arby> it's complaining about lack of Kdepim when I have kdepim installed
[19:10] <allee> apachelogger: the end of DESCRIPTION section of mailody-kde4 manpage misses a   "... with kmail".  I assume
[19:12] <apachelogger> hm
[19:12] <apachelogger> Arby: stdin was playing with it
[19:12] <apachelogger> canonical doesn't have very stable connections apparently :P
[19:12] <apachelogger> Arby: apparently there is a typo somewhere in the cmake modules
[19:12] <Arby> apachelogger: ooo fun
[19:12]  * Arby goes hunting 
[19:13] <Arby> could it be as simple as Kdepim Vs kdepim
[19:13] <apachelogger> yes
[19:13] <apachelogger> well
[19:13] <apachelogger> according to stdin it would have to be changed in the kdelibs
[19:13] <apachelogger> i.e. the actual cmake file
[19:13] <Arby> shudder
[19:14] <apachelogger> he had a patch, but Riddell asked him to get it fixed upstream rather than patching it in kubuntu
[19:14] <apachelogger> dunno whether he did that already
[19:14] <Arby> ok so I should leave this alone for now
[19:14]  * Arby looks for something else to package
[19:15]  * apachelogger points at kdepim for hardy
[19:15] <Arby> apachelogger: as in backport it?
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> Has kdeplasma-addons been built for Intrepid yet?
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> A quick check of LP says yes!
[19:16] <apachelogger> Arby: yes, Riddell doesn't answer so I don't know whether he did it already
[19:17] <apachelogger> oh boy
[19:17] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, just uploaded, not published
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> oh wells
[19:17] <apachelogger> lp needs to block build-dep missing builds after 5 tries
[19:17] <apachelogger> that is bloody awful
[19:17]  * Arby looks up how to backport
[19:17] <apachelogger> building it since 3.93 every once in a while
[19:20] <Arby> apachelogger: ok don't really know what I'm doing here
[19:21] <Arby> is it just grab the source from intrepid and attempt to build under hardy?
[19:21] <apachelogger> Arby: basically you will have to merge the intrepid with the hardy package
[19:22] <apachelogger> Arby: the naming is different in hardy
[19:22] <Arby> erk
[19:22] <apachelogger> Arby: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16031275/kdepim_4:4.0.83-0ubuntu3_4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[19:23] <apachelogger> best thing is you just apply the changes manually to the hardy .83
[19:23] <Arby> ok I'll try to
[19:23] <Arby> expect the usual flurry of questions
[19:26] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:26]  * apachelogger uber pokes the Nightrose
[19:26]  * Nightrose hugs the apachelogger
[19:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: *uberpoke*
[19:26] <Nightrose> :P
[19:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: your kdenetwork build is still looping
[19:27] <apachelogger> please remove the god damn package
[19:27] <Nightrose> oO
[19:27] <Nightrose> will do
[19:27]  * apachelogger is really not wondering that LP is having 1 hour loops 24/7 if every ppa has like 3 looping packages
[19:27] <Nightrose> there should be some kind of notification...
[19:27] <Nightrose> i totally forgot about it
[19:27] <Nightrose> sorry
[19:29] <apachelogger> aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[19:29] <apachelogger> arora is looping as well
[19:29]  * apachelogger is slowly loosing his sanity
[19:29] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nuked
[19:31] <apachelogger> thx
[19:31]  * apachelogger needs to file a bug against soyuz
[19:40] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you get mails abou these builds?
[19:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: not lately at least
[19:44] <Xand3r> please review it, if nothing is wrong, please advocate it http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mailody-kde4
[19:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: bug 248783
[19:46] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~team-xbmc-svn/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[19:46] <apachelogger> that is also very social
[19:46] <apachelogger> blooking all 3 build servers at once
[19:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: thx :)   subscribed
[19:46] <apachelogger> *blocking even
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> who
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> *whoa
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> I just tried out edge.launchpad.net
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> good lord look at all the tags ubuntu has
[19:53] <Arby> apachelogger: is applying the kdepim changes manually really the best way?
[19:53] <Arby> that diff is huge
[19:54] <apachelogger> Arby: only the ones in debian/ ;-)
[19:54] <apachelogger> the other ones are from the tarball
[19:54] <Arby> phew
[19:54] <apachelogger> but well, get creative
[19:54] <Arby> I was about to run away and hide
[19:54] <apachelogger> that's the fastest solution that comes to my mind
[19:55] <Arby> actually hardy doesn't seem to have 4.0.83, only 3.5.9
[19:55] <Arby> are you saying take 4.0.83 from intrepid, apply the changes then upload the result?
[19:55] <Arby> just so I'm clear
[19:56] <Arby> or get someone else to upload the result actually
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> Where can I see which binary packages a file has?
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> *a package has
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> You used to be able to do that on LP
[19:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: launchpad
[19:59]  * JontheEchidna can't find it anymore
[20:00] <apachelogger> Arby: it's called kde4pim or kdepim-kde4 in the ppa ;-)
[20:00] <Arby> well if you will go hiding things from me ;)
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> oh, go to overview
[20:01] <apachelogger> Aranel: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/+index?field.name_filter=kde4pim&field.status_filter=published
[20:01] <Arby> I assume you meant me
[20:01] <Arby> :)
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> The knewsticker binary package of kdenetwork should be renamed to plasmoid-knewsticker
[20:02]  * JontheEchidna can fix that
[20:03] <apachelogger> Arby: right, quassel's autocompletion is also responsible for the slowly advancing insanity
[20:06] <Xand3r> apachelogger: how i can include the backports for building on my ppa
[20:06] <apachelogger> you can't
[20:07] <apachelogger> Xand3r: and considering that .... please delete screenie from your ppa if you don't fix the build
[20:07] <apachelogger> otherwise it will also a package contributing to the ppalod
[20:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: is the upgrade to RC 1 on hardy ok now? or is some stuff still missing?
[20:08] <apachelogger> kdepim is missing
[20:08] <Nightrose> ok
[20:08] <apachelogger> so if you are using kdepim from kde4
[20:08] <Nightrose> i am not right now
[20:08] <apachelogger> you might not want to upgrade because oxygen clonflicts with libkdepim
[20:08] <Xand3r> apachelogger: dont understand
[20:08] <apachelogger> Xand3r:  it will contribute to the ppa loop of death
[20:08] <apachelogger> looping forever
[20:08] <apachelogger> trying to build
[20:08] <Xand3r> uff
[20:08] <Xand3r> ok
[20:09] <Xand3r> but where i get the libqt4.4 for it?
[20:11] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ?
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> What are these debian/*.install files?
[20:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: man dh_install
[20:13] <apachelogger> debian/packagename.install is for example necessary for splitted packages
[20:14] <apachelogger> where you have to manually list which files goes into which package
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> aah
[20:14] <apachelogger> of course you can also abuse it to install stuff from elsewhere
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> So if I change the package name I'll need to rename the .install file
[20:14] <apachelogger> like when upstream doesn't have a desktop file, you can deploy one in debian/ and install it via debian/install
[20:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> Should I upload the fixed kdenetwork package to revu?
[20:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: create a debdiff
[20:15] <apachelogger> create a bug
[20:16] <apachelogger> attach the debdiff to the bug
[20:16] <apachelogger> set the status to triaged
[20:16] <apachelogger> and subscribe main-sponsors
[20:16]  * JontheEchidna can't set statuses to triaged
[20:16] <apachelogger> how however that group might be called nowadays
[20:16] <apachelogger> hm
[20:16] <apachelogger> actually
[20:16]  * JontheEchidna isn't a member of bugcontrol
[20:16] <apachelogger> that  wasBS :P
[20:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: create a debdiff + bug, upload the debdiff to the bug and poke some ubuntu developer
[20:17] <apachelogger> i.e. any motu or core dev
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> add bug in changelog?
[20:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: always a good idea
[20:19] <apachelogger> hm
[20:24] <Arby> apachelogger: not sure what to do with the build-deps for kdepim.
[20:24] <Arby> obviously 4.0.98 has newer versions of deps
[20:24] <Arby> but would those be available in hardy
[20:24] <Arby> or should I keep the build deps from 4.0.83
[20:24] <Arby> ?
[20:25]  * JontheEchidna pokes apachelogger
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> bug 248792
[20:25] <Xand3r> apachelogger: --> query
[20:25] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i really wonder why they didn't notice that yet...
[20:28] <jussi01> ok, bleh - the new knetworkmanager from riddell dont work... :/
[20:28] <jussi01> Well not properly anyway
[20:30] <apachelogger> Arby: for example?
[20:31] <Arby> apachelogger: for example http://paste.ubuntu.com/27546/
[20:35] <apachelogger> Arby: well, the .98 versions need to be available in the hardy ppa anyway
[20:36] <Arby> ok so if they aren't yet available they will be
[20:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: subscribed main-sponsors
[20:36] <apachelogger> Arby: yes
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[20:36] <Arby> apachelogger: how does this work, the package goes to ppa for testing then eventually to backports?
[20:37] <apachelogger> Arby: pimlibs and plasma certainly are already
[20:37] <apachelogger> Arby: no
[20:37] <apachelogger> only 4.0 releases go to backports
[20:37] <Arby> ok
[20:37] <apachelogger> or maybe 4.1.0 goes to backports as well
[20:37] <apachelogger> but certainly not pre-release
[20:37] <Arby> so this is only for the adventurous :)
[20:38] <Arby> I have another question, let me prepare pastes
[20:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: hi, I was wondering about migration assistant and stuff
[20:38] <Arby> apachelogger: the diff has http://paste.ubuntu.com/27547/
[20:39] <Tm_T> Riddell: I might need someone to share the work, atleast at times, because I have bit busy in work atm
[20:39] <Arby> apachelogger: but the debian/control file has foo-kde4 still
[20:39] <Arby> will that cause headaches?
[20:39] <Arby> (well it's caused one already :))
[20:39] <Tm_T> Riddell: so, if anyone seems to be volunteering, all help is welcome, no, not you though ;)
[20:40] <apachelogger> Arby: just check whether every name is present in the hardy version
[20:41] <Arby> ok
[20:41] <apachelogger> but I think I just changed that stuff to fit in my terminal
[20:41] <apachelogger> i.e. 80 characters max
[20:41] <apachelogger> ;-)
[20:41] <apachelogger> Tm_T: migration assistant for?
[20:41] <Xand3r> apachelogger: query please
[20:41] <apachelogger> dood
[20:41] <apachelogger> Xand3r: why not write it here?
[20:43] <Xand3r> hmm, why i could not put depenci an the backport or how i can do that; why screenie-qt is still not backported?
[20:43] <Xand3r> apachelogger: have i to delete screenie-qt from my ppa to break the loop?
[20:44] <apachelogger> aye
[20:46] <Xand3r> Riddell: hi, is it possible to backport screenie to day?
[20:46] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: are you around?
[20:53] <Xand3r> apachelogger: has Riddell went to bed?
[20:54] <apachelogger> Xand3r: dunno, but I would be in a bar at this time ;-)
[20:55] <Xand3r> apachelogger: hmm in the middel of the week?
[20:55] <apachelogger> Xand3r: less people
[20:55] <Xand3r> aha
[20:55]  * apachelogger doesn't like it crowded
[20:56] <Xand3r> apachelogger: who els could backport screenie?
[20:57] <apachelogger> Xand3r: other archive admins
[20:57] <buz> is there anything i can do to prevent plasma in 4.1rc1 from crashing upon launching?
[20:57] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i don know other
[20:57] <apachelogger> Xand3r: just wait for someone to do it
[20:57] <hungerTest> buz: Plasma works-for-me(TM).
[20:57] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i cant wait :p
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> buz: run "rm ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc"
[20:58] <apachelogger> buz: rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*
[20:58] <buz> mhh i should have figured :P
[20:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: intrepid uses .kde not .kde4
[20:58] <hungerTest> buz: Maybe you try to move away your kde dir.
[20:58] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: i am
[20:58] <buz> thanks guys
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> oh, right. thought I was in kubuntu-kde4 there for a second
[20:59] <buz> plasma is back, nice :P
[20:59] <Xand3r> so guys i go to bed
[20:59] <Xand3r> c ya
[21:00] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I saw in the logs your replies yesterday
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> Do you think we could put the rm ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc" trick int he release announcement?
[21:00] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ok good
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> Maybe that'd stop people from filing bug reports upstream
[21:00] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: should I completely remove make active, which means the user wouldnt be able to modify it at all if it exists there by default?
[21:00] <Tm_T> apachelogger: migration assistant in ubiquity install, you know, to retrieve user accounts from MS Win and others
[21:02] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: i think we should take a poll in a few channels of people who have edited the grub config.  if only a few (<10%) have ever changed it, then i say we take it out
[21:03] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: if no one is going to change it via the UI (if they are so advanced they will edit the config file directly anyway) then i think we should take it out.
[21:04] <apachelogger> Tm_T: uh, that sounds quite cool actually
[21:07] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok. one last thing I didnt ask yesterday: could I possibly add a groupbox "Advanced Options" under the General Settings tab which will contain default and fallback
[21:07] <Artemis_Fowl> ?
[21:07] <Artemis_Fowl> as it was implemented till now
[21:08] <Artemis_Fowl> for 2 reasons:
[21:08] <Artemis_Fowl> to "fill" this huge empty space
[21:09] <Arby> apachelogger: I have a diff on the content of kubuntu_01_akonadi_fix.diff but apparently it's dropped from 4.0.98
[21:09] <Arby> do I drop it from 4.0.83 or apply the diff?
[21:09] <seele> so a drop down list where you select one of the OSes?
[21:09] <Artemis_Fowl> and make it possible for somethat more advanced users to have full control over default/fallback
[21:10] <Artemis_Fowl> (btw the advanced options would only be shown if the user checks a checkbox or something like this)
[21:11] <seele> what other options are there besides selecting the default and fallback?
[21:12] <allee> JontheEchidna: best, find out why plasma-appletsrc crashes plasma and fix it in an update_config script
[21:12] <Artemis_Fowl> Timeout and Hidden Menu
[21:12] <seele> all of those options will probably fit without having to hide them, no?
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> allee: Once I'm done updating I'll try that
[21:12] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: y
[21:12] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ok, then that´s probably good
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> *try to get copies of crashing and non-crashing config files
[21:13] <apachelogger> Arby: yes, can be removed
[21:13] <apachelogger> the fix was from upstream svn
[21:13] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: 16:12 < dfaure> Command: makeactive Set the active partition on the root disk to GRUB's root device
[21:13] <seele> 16:12 < dfaure> http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/grub/html_chapter/grub_12.html#SEC84
[21:13] <seele> 16:13 < dfaure> I think this helps for the case when you have multiple harddisks.
[21:14] <Tm_T> apachelogger: it is, but I don't have time atm
[21:14] <Tm_T> apachelogger: and I love to get it done for intrepid
[21:15] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: 16:14 < dfaure> "makeactive is not necessary if the partition has bootable flag on it as it is the case with many systems which are dual boot. But it is necessary if you want to boot into some other partition."
[21:15] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: so it seems like a pretty advanced option that most people never use
[21:15] <Artemis_Fowl> y
[21:19] <Arby> apachelogger: what's the proper way to handle all this in debian/changelog, i.e. version number etc?
[21:19] <Arby> apachelogger: currently it looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/27553/
[21:19] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: is makeactive on by default?
[21:19] <Arby> I stole your entry from 4.0.98 as a starting point
[21:20] <Arby> apachelogger: should it be kde4pim (4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa3) hardy
[21:20] <apachelogger> Arby: just add a new entry 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy0~ppa1
[21:20] <Arby> ah ok
[21:20] <Artemis_Fowl> Artemis_Fowl: I think in (K)ubuntu it is always on for the Windows entries (in dual-boot systems)
[21:20] <Artemis_Fowl> oops
[21:20] <Artemis_Fowl> talking to myself
[21:20] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: hmm.. it seems like it only matters to other operating systems like Windows
[21:21] <Artemis_Fowl> agai -.-
[21:21] <seele> lol
[21:21] <seele> yeah
[21:21] <apachelogger> Arby: backport is always currenversion-currentrevison~distro1 for offical backport
[21:21] <apachelogger> Arby: ~ppa1 for ppa uploads
[21:21] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: it seems so
[21:21] <Arby> apachelogger: ok I see
[21:23] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: would it make sense to only have that screen show up in the config for non linux OSes?
[21:24] <seele> which 99% of the time for Kubunt users will probably be Windows
[21:24] <seele> probably 90% for everyone else
[21:24] <Arby> apachelogger: is this OK http://paste.ubuntu.com/27555/
[21:24] <Arby> or do I need more detail?
[21:24] <apachelogger> Arby: ok
[21:24] <Arby> thanks
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> Everybody with kdm problems, update
[21:25]  * Arby testbuilds
[21:25] <Arby> cross everything
[21:25] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: the thing is KGRUBEditor cant be knowing for sure if an entry is non linux or not
[21:26] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: because all entries share some common features
[21:26] <seele> there aren´t any linux-only settings that could help figure that out?
[21:26] <seele> hmm.. bummer
[21:27] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: no. the only distinction could be kernel but for instance BSDs use that too
[21:28] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: plus many other OSes which I dont know
[21:28] <seele> ah well
[21:41] <Nightrose> Tm_T: did you add it to the todo linked in the topic? maybe you can find someone to help that way - also advertise on the kubuntu lists
[21:42] <Tm_T> Nightrose: will do, thanks
[21:42] <Nightrose> :) gc
[21:42] <Nightrose> hmmm -gc
[21:42] <Artemis_Fowl> good night everybody
[21:42] <Nightrose> night Artemis_Fowl
[21:42] <Tm_T> Nightrose: I have been too busy to even think whole thing and now I'm getting bit panicing :-P
[21:43] <Nightrose> Tm_T: ;-) understandable
[21:44] <Arby> apachelogger: trying to resolve build deps for kdepim and apt went splat, any ideas?
[21:44] <Arby> big bunch of missing packages for dependencies of dependencies
[21:45] <nixternal> brb
[21:45] <apachelogger> Arby: for example? ;-)
[21:45] <Arby> oops http://paste.ubuntu.com/27558/ forgot paste
[21:46] <apachelogger> Arby: is that a chroot?
[21:46] <Arby> yes
[21:47] <apachelogger> Arby: did you actually add the kde4 ppa? ;-)
[21:47] <Arby> yes
[21:47] <apachelogger> apt-get updated?
[21:47] <Arby> yes
[21:47] <apachelogger> very strange
[21:47] <Arby> twice
[21:47] <apachelogger> Arby: try -f install
[21:47] <Arby> I did, itwants to install 300+ packages
[21:47] <apachelogger> ah
[21:47] <apachelogger> hold on
[21:48] <apachelogger>   kdepimlibs5-dev: Depends: kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.0.83) but it is not going to be installed
[21:48] <apachelogger> that
[21:48] <apachelogger> is
[21:48] <apachelogger> strange
[21:48] <Arby> just to be clear I added the hardy ppa because it's a hardy chroot
[21:50] <apachelogger> Arby: please paste the sources.list
[21:50] <Arby> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27559/
[21:51] <apachelogger> Arby: tried  'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).?
[21:52] <Arby> apachelogger: yes, as mentioned above it wants to install 300+ packages
[21:52] <Arby> which seems excessive
[21:52] <apachelogger> why does it?
[21:52] <apachelogger> well
[21:52] <Arby> I have no idea, apt-get magic
[21:52] <apachelogger> why does it seem excessive ;-)
[21:53] <apachelogger> there is a lot of deps involved with kdepim
[21:53] <apachelogger> just look at the amount of direct dependencies
[21:53] <apachelogger> 300+ seems very reasonable
[21:53] <Arby> ok so why does kdepim need libgtk?
[21:53] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:54] <Arby> fair enough
[21:54] <Arby> this may take a while
[21:54] <apachelogger> Arby: doesn't matter, you can't process without apt-get -f so you will have to live with it eitherway ;-)
[21:54] <Arby> I need a drink :)
[21:55] <apachelogger> ^_^
[21:56] <papabean> is there a way to separate library paths by user (so one user will use libraries in /usr/local and another is not affected)?
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> I think I found the problem with plasma-crashes-on-rc1-login
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> People are experiencing these crashes with kdeplasmoids plasmoids
[22:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: backport kdeplasma-addons to hardy
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: has it been built for intrepid yet?
[22:17] <apachelogger> dunno
[22:17] <apachelogger> I think it got stuck in new
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> crap, LP says it isn't published...
[22:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: doesn't matter for the ppa
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> So where do I get the current packaging?
[22:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just grab the package off the magic location ;-)
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> magic location?
[22:21] <ZeBarbu> Hi all. After lastest upgrade, kmail fail to load: "Cannot load part for Mail. libgpgme++-pthread.so.1.2.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[22:21] <ZeBarbu> (in hardy)
[22:22] <ZeBarbu> even in intrepid, I cannot find the right package version...
[22:22] <Arby> apachelogger: assuming kdepim builds this side of the apocalypse what do I need to do next?
[22:22] <ZeBarbu> ok, you speak of the same thing, I think...
[22:22] <apachelogger> Arby: send over the package, or upload it somewhere
[22:23] <apachelogger> actually, just send over the dsc and diff.gz as the orig should be the same anyway
[22:23] <Arby> ok will do.
[22:23] <apachelogger> ZeBarbu: kdepim is not yet built
[22:24]  * apachelogger continues with south park
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> Ok, let's get cracking!
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> rc1 is very nice...
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> Is there a backport guide anywhere?
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> I'm guessing I change all the install locations
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> then add ~ppa~hardy1 to the end or something
[22:32] <yuriy> I think it would be easier to start with the hardy package than to change all the install locations
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: this is a new package for hardy
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, the intrepid packager forgot to change the names of the .install files
[22:37]  * Arby sighs and watches debuild fall over
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> So what to do with the changelog?
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> fresh changelog with my entry being the first entry?
[22:40] <vorian> evening o/
[22:43] <Arby> JontheEchidna: here's what I did for kdepim
[22:43] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27555/
[22:43] <Arby> evening vorian
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> Arby: thanks
[22:45] <vorian> ppa porting?
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> yup
[22:45] <vorian> ah, fun times
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> Whoever did the intrepid packaging for this must have been on crack or half asleep...
[22:46] <vorian> :o
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> ...oops, that would be apachelogger
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[22:46]  * JontheEchidna is apachelogger's groupie
[22:46] <vorian> :O
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> vorian: When you change the binary package name you also must rename the debian/*.install file names, correct?
[22:46] <vorian> yes
[22:47] <vorian> otherwise you blow up
[22:47] <vorian> and your computer too
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> ... that would probably explain why it's not published yet
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> in intrepid
[22:47] <vorian> which package?
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> kdeplasma-addons
[22:47] <vorian> errrm
[22:48] <vorian> you have a buildloglink?
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> what's that?
[22:48] <vorian> on the page for the source package, it shows all arc's
[22:49] <vorian> you can see the build record for each arc
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> Is this on packages.ubuntu.com?
[22:49] <vorian> lp
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> ok
[22:49] <vorian> like kpovmodeler here
[22:49] <vorian> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpovmodeler/1.1.2-kde4.0.98-0ubuntu1
[22:49] <vorian> failed to upload
[22:50] <vorian> you can see it by clicking the hyper link of your favorite proc
[22:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: :P
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I have a debdiff now
[22:50] <vorian> what's the word on kopete-crypto?
[22:51]  * JontheEchidna hands apachelogger an apology cookie
[22:51]  * vorian steals said cookie
[22:51] <gribelu> anyone aware of a webkitkde package for hardy?
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/+publishinghistory
[22:51]  * apachelogger made himself a salad anyway :P
[22:51] <vorian> thanks JontheEchidna
[22:51] <Arby> vorian: it fails to build due to a problem in kdelibs apparently
[22:51]  * vorian steals salad
[22:52] <vorian> hmmmm
[22:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, send over the dsc and diff.gz for the ppa
[22:52] <Arby> stdin is trying to get it fixed upstream
[22:52] <vorian> it prolly just needs rebuilt
[22:52] <apachelogger> easier then debdiffing around
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: to your email?
[22:52] <Arby> so I was told
[22:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> k
[22:52]  * JontheEchidna loves kate's replace all feature
[22:52] <Arby> vorian: kdepim is not recognised as being installed even when it is installed
[22:53] <Arby> JontheEchidna: +1
[22:53] <vorian> :/
[22:53] <vorian> nano ftw
[22:53]  * vorian runs
[22:53] <Arby> after him :)
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent
[22:54]  * apachelogger pulls out his fullfeatured vim and kills nano
[22:54] <vorian> Noooo
[22:55] <Nightrose> apachelogger: any estimation for pim? cause right now i can't update :/
[22:55] <apachelogger> 2 more south park episodes to go
[22:55] <apachelogger> then I can be productive again
[22:55] <apachelogger> oh
[22:55] <Nightrose> hehe
[22:55] <apachelogger> by then it's time for yoga
[22:55] <vorian> i just got the update
[22:55] <apachelogger> I think .... in about 20 hours
[22:56] <Nightrose> vorian: for pim?
[22:56] <vorian> ja
[22:56]  * Nightrose updates again
[22:56] <vorian> Nightrose: I just got home though
[22:56]  * apachelogger loves the episode with the shitty wall
[22:56] <apachelogger> eh
[22:56] <vorian> .... kdepasswd kdepim kdepim-kresources .....
[22:56] <apachelogger> city wall
[22:56] <vorian> haaa
[22:57] <ZeBarbu> vorian: for hardy?
[22:57] <vorian> ZeBarbu: no, intrepid
[22:57] <Nightrose> :(
[22:57] <ZeBarbu> :(
[22:57] <Nightrose> <- hardy
[22:57] <vorian> :/
[22:57] <ZeBarbu> <- hardy too
[22:57] <vorian> <- party pooper
[22:57] <Nightrose> hehe
[22:57] <Nightrose> really
[22:57]  * JontheEchidna <- hardy 3
[22:58] <apachelogger> <- hoary
[22:58] <vorian> <- lindows
[22:58]  * ZeBarbu wonders if it really will take ~ 20h to get a working pim again...
[22:58] <apachelogger> ewwww
[22:58] <apachelogger> actually
[22:58] <apachelogger> 20h +  build time
[22:59] <vorian> be back in a bit
[22:59] <ZeBarbu> gasp...
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> oh hey guys, I've been meaning to ask you what you'd think of something like this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidDesktopDefaults
[23:00] <daskreech> How is PIM in KDE4?
[23:00] <daskreech> PLanned to ship with 4.1 right?
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> daskreech: ya
[23:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: go on with the implimentation
[23:01] <apachelogger> ah
[23:01] <apachelogger> hold on
[23:01] <daskreech> is it ready?
[23:01] <apachelogger> the device stuff on the right is super awful
[23:01] <daskreech> not like Plasma 4.0 ready
[23:01] <daskreech> but we can pitch to a business?
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: how feasible is getting quickaccess in the defautl install?
[23:02] <apachelogger> I don't even know what it is
[23:02] <apachelogger> hmmm
[23:02] <Arby> on the subject of kdepim
[23:03] <Arby> debuild went splat again http://paste.ubuntu.com/27571/
[23:03] <Arby> I can barely even read that
[23:04] <apachelogger> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/kdepim/current/kde4pim-4.0.83/obj-i486-linux-gnu'
[23:04] <apachelogger> Arby: did you actually update the source?
[23:04] <Arby> no just the debian/ files
[23:04] <Arby> as said earlier
[23:05] <apachelogger> as I said as well, you need to update the source otherwise you are building .83 ;-)
[23:05] <Arby> so you actually meant I do need to apply that entire diff by hand :(
[23:06] <apachelogger> no I did not
[23:06] <apachelogger> I mean update the debian stuff
[23:06] <apachelogger> then get the .98 tarball
[23:06] <apachelogger> extract it
[23:06] <apachelogger> copy the debian dir in
[23:06] <apachelogger> and debuild
[23:07] <Arby> ahh, the penny drops, that was the missing step
[23:07] <apachelogger> :D
[23:08] <Arby> that would have been the end of me :)
[23:16]  * Arby leaves kdepim building and goes to sleep